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Newsgroups: alt.games.doom
Path: cdrom.com!barrnet.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hub.cs.jmu.edu!newsusr
From: JDCAPRIO@vax1.acs.jmu.edu (JOHN D CAPRIOTTI)
Subject: Re: Who makes the games ?!?
In-Reply-To: an91593@anon.penet.fi's message of Sat, 30 Jul 1994 15:08:15 UTC
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:20:39 GMT
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With my sincerest apologies to alt.games.doom, some flaming proceeds ...
In <151309Z30071994@anon.penet.fi> an91593@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
> (This is really to John Capriotti)
a) Thanks for going out of your way to post my name in the body of your text,
while you so bravely post from behind your anon id.
> Oh please,
> Are you really blind or did you just go like it,
> (you know what they say makes you go blind?)
b) hehe ... pretty witty. You're obviously a veteran flamer, probably right out
of alt.flame or alt.tastless, eh? I'm still laughing. :|
> Apogee did NOT write Wolfenstein 3D etc, ID did, if you have taken
> the time to look at the credits etc, you will have seen IDs logo,
> and all of the people involved with ID software. I believe that Apogee
> DISTRIBUTED this game.
c) Listen, I may not be Joe Programmer but I can assure you that I know my shit
and I don't appreciate you doing such a good job trying to make me look like an
asshole in this newsgroup. While I can't specifically recall my original post,
I'm pretty sure I didn't say Apogee *wrote* Wolf. I probably said something
along the lines of "Apogee brought us Wolf" or "Apogee was part of the team
that made Wolf" or whatever ... all of which is entirely true. Who can say
whether Wolf would be nearly as popular under a different distrubutor? Epic,
Lucas Arts, Sierra, whoever may have marketed it *entirely* differently and the
game may not have been as popular. I feel the success of the game was because
it was shareware - I doubt it would have been such a smash otherwise.
Hell, id (more or less) wrote Catacomb Abyss, which was pretty revolutionary at
the time, but Softdisc didn't exactly turn that into a supergame, did they?
> Also have a look at Commander Keen (yeah I know, but I thought i'd
> mention it), written by ID, distributed by Apogee.
d) I don't quite understand what you're saying here ... are you saying that Apogee
is great for helping to bring this game to us? Are you saying id is great for
writing it? Are you saying id sucks for writing it? Are you saying this game
could have been great if Apogee hadn't messed with it?
Looks to me like you're just flaunting your awesome knowledge. Thanks ...
Commander Keen, you say? I'll have to check this one out. Please email me
instructions on how to FTP.
> As for net/modem support in games, it looks like ID did, well DOOM came
> after Wolf'3D didn't it.
I really can't comment on this because your sentence make no sense whatsover.
I'm not too sure what your point was, but mine was this: the endless flaming
of Apogee makes no sense. They have been part of a team that has brought us
great games in the past, and I suspect they'll do it again. Though unlikely,
it is possible that id may still be a no name company if it weren't for Apogee.
I never suggested (unless I was drunk or temporarily insane or something) that
Apogee wrote Wolf ... but they did play a major part in it's success.
And one more thing - this is alt.games.doom. The majoity of the readers here
know all this stuff you posted. Please don't make this group more cluttered
than it already is (and I do feel guilty publically replying, but he really
made me look dumb) with useless drivel. This easily could have been mailed to
me.
j
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