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- From: allenp@nima.eecs.berkeley.edu (Allen Pouratian)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Date: 15 Apr 1996 23:42:26 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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- >If Intel suddenly decided to ditch CISC and go 100% RISC (as Apple and
- >ATech are doing) just how many of the PC manufacturers would agree
- >to go with them - and how many would attempt to develop their own
- >solution? How many would simply throw money at faster and faster
- >80x86 clones, and how many would be prepared to suffer the trials and
- >tribulations of switching to a brand new CPU???
-
- Why would Intel jump to a 100% RISC solution if no one
- could run any software on it?
-
- In my hand I have a 1000MHz RISC, branch predicting, 1MB L1 cache,
- 4 independent execution unit, 64 register chip that I will sell
- in quantity for $2 each. Yeah, there isn't any software in existence
- that will run on it, but hey! It's RISC.
-
- Point = people don't buy machines to brag (at least not most people),
- they buy computers to *run software* (games mostly in the case of the
- PC which is literally the ultimate game machine due to the immense
- number of games available, and the extensive support it receives.
-
- How many manufacturers have Intel's chip foundries, engineers, anmd R&D
- budget? Please be assured that when the world's largest and most
- successful chip maker moves to RISC, it will be an excellent, excellent,
- implementation.
-
- >>This means on the fly x86 to RISC instruction conversion.
- >>Whatever software
- >>ran on x86 machines will run on the new Intel RISC chip
- >>(full compatibility).
- >
- >This is the way that Apple and ATech plan to overcome the problem of
- >legacy software. The difference being that both of these companies
- >(and the software houses who develop for their platforms) have
- >*already* started the slow move over to a RISC platform. The PC
- >community has not yet started to discuss the move to RISC, and
- >considering that it will be more difficult for them to agree on
- >a new standard, then this could be a serious handicap by the time
- >other platforms are 100% RISC.
-
- But when they do, is there any doubt the PC world will have
- the most cost effective solution? Why not ride the wave when it
- happens (please be assured, it WILL happen)? Even if it NEVER happens
- the Amiga community will much prefer x86 compatibility to Mac
- compatibility. Just remember, 90% of all personal computers in existence
- are PC clones.
-
-
- >>Intel, just *give up* market share?
- >>A solution will be developed, we might as
- >>well ride the wave and enjoy the software.
- >
- >I have no doubt a solution will be found. But moving to RISC is not
- >as easy as just changing the processor. Isn't it about time that
- >the PC community started to *seriously* talk about the move to
- >RISC before they get left behind by other platforms...?
-
- You don't *just* change the processor, like I already said,
- when Intel decides to go RISC, full speed emulation will be provided
- by an instruction translator IMPLEMENTED IN HARDWARE. On the fly,
- and totally transparent, unlike the current schemes used by Apple
- and the Gemulator.
-
- A Motorola 68x00 to Intel 80x86 instruction translator has been written
- by Darek M. of the Atari ST community to allow 68030 emulation speeds
- on Pentium hardware. Why not licence this software instead and move
- the Amiga to the PC world? When PC's go RISC, so can the Amiga,
- and in the meantime, excellent and tested emulation of the 68000
- will provide for all Amiga legacy software.
-
- >
- >If Intel are serious about taking the PC to RISC then isn't it about
- >time they started pushing a serious RISC solution rather than
- >endlessly cludging the 80x86...?
-
- When the market decides RISC is more important than lower prices
- (due to volume sales), and backwards compatibility, and the world's
- largest library of games, they will start to buy Power Macintoshes
- in quantity.
-
- They haven't.
-
-
- Respectfully Submitted,
-
- Allen Pouratian
- UC Berkeley
-
-
-