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- From: fish@csc.liv.ac.uk (S.E. Morris)
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
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- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:52:27 GMT
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- In article <4k2jg9$t5i@agate.berkeley.edu>,
- allenp@nima.eecs.berkeley.edu (Allen Pouratian) writes:
- >>>Why not use the 80x86 line of processors so long as we're migrating to
- >>>another instruction set? The Gemulator written for clones (and needing only
- >>>Atari ST ROMS installed on an expansion card) allow a 486DX33 to emulate
- >>>in software an 8Mhz Atari ST at FULL speed. Atari TT speed emulations
- >>>(33 Mhz 68030) are possible with Pentium processors.
- >>
- >>After the 8086 the entire 80x86 series became an endless round of cludge
- >>ontop of cludge. Besides, why bother migrating from an end-of-the-line CISC
- >>series to *another* end-of-the-line CISC series?? If we have to migrate
- >>(and let's face it - we do!) then we might as well step up to technology
- >>with is likely to be around for at least another decade.
- >
- >I don't see Intel giving up market share. Either an elegant hardware
- >solution will be created (full x86 binary and Intel RISC compatible) or a
- >slick software solution. Personally, I see (looking in my crystal ball) a
- >hardware translation system will be incorporated on chip.
-
- I agree that Intel are unlikely to just let their lead in the market
- slip - but I suspect (or maybe hope) that they will have no other
- option.
-
- The great thing about the PC is that it isn't 'owned' by any one company.
- There are tens of companies all producing PC hardware - and this
- of course leads the the kind of competition which results in the low
- prices which many many PC users have benefited from.
-
- The problem comes, of course, when it's time for a *radical* upgrade
- of the hardware. Both Apple and ATech have the advantage that they
- still have 'control' of the development of their machines. The PC
- on the other hand still relies on rather caotic market forces.
-
- If Intel suddenly decided to ditch CISC and go 100% RISC (as Apple and
- ATech are doing) just how many of the PC manufacturers would agree
- to go with them - and how many would attempt to develop their own
- solution? How many would simply throw money at faster and faster
- 80x86 clones, and how many would be prepared to suffer the trials and
- tribulations of switching to a brand new CPU???
-
- >This means on the fly x86 to RISC instruction conversion. Whatever software
- >ran on x86 machines will run on the new Intel RISC chip (full compatibility).
-
- This is the way that Apple and ATech plan to overcome the problem of
- legacy software. The difference being that both of these companies
- (and the software houses who develop for their platforms) have
- *already* started the slow move over to a RISC platform. The PC
- community has not yet started to discuss the move to RISC, and
- considering that it will be more difficult for them to agree on
- a new standard, then this could be a serious handicap by the time
- other platforms are 100% RISC.
-
- >Intel, just *give up* market share? A solution will be developed, we might as
- >well ride the wave and enjoy the software.
-
- I have no doubt a solution will be found. But moving to RISC is not
- as easy as just changing the processor. Isn't it about time that
- the PC community started to *seriously* talk about the move to
- RISC before they get left behind by other platforms...?
-
- If Intel are serious about taking the PC to RISC then isn't it about
- time they started pushing a serious RISC solution rather than
- endlessly cludging the 80x86...?
-
- >>Why not just buy a PC, if that's what you want? Otherwise - why try and
- >>turn the Amiga into one?
- >
- >Better to turn it into a PC than into a Mac. As if I want to go through
- >the expense and hassle of switching instruction sets, AND NOT EVEN GET
- >TO RUN THE WORLD'S LARGEST SOFTWARE LIBRARY? Geezuz, why NOT turn
- >it into a PC and have Amiga stability and speed with the very latest
- >in cutting edge software for the PC.
- >
- >Respectfully Submitted,
- >
- >Allen Pouratian
- >UC Berkeley
-
- -FISH- ><>
-
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