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From: [e-mail] (Stelios Stagakis)
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Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 03:04:57
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Stephan Schaem ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : >  You would have bitched madly too if the gameplay was perfect but
> : >  the frame rate wasnt there.
> : No, I wouldn't. The most important factor in a game is the gameplay,
> : right? Although I don't see your point here; how can a game have a
> : perfect gameplay while running at 3 frames per second?
>  Exactly my point... frame rate is as important...

Not as important as gameplay.

> : - VK runs at 25fps on a stock A1200;
> :   RR runs every frame on a stock PSX!
>  So you blame VK on its 25fps frame rate now?

No, I was pointing out the differences between VK and RR. *sigh*

> : - VK has non-existant gameplay;
> :   RR has gameplay. (Try linking 2 PSXs together and play with a friend!
> :                     That is, if you got any.)
>  I didn't bother to link with anyone, it was too lame playing as is.

Why RR was "too lame playing"? Care to be more specific?

> : - VK has 3 tracks;
> :   RR has 1 track only, but it's a REAL track, not just a poor texture
> :   mapped ground.
>  Do having building and stuff make it a realtrack?

Well, RR has uphills, downhills, things to bump on, road obstacles -
just as if you were driving for real. VK has a flat ground and when
you get off the track it slows down. Wow.

>  So you blame VK for its poor programing of the powerfull '32bit' A1200
>  HW?

Yes, if you want a good racing game with a 3D feel to it on the Amiga
try XTReme Racing instead.

>  Personaly I think RR sucked... I had it for an evening, played and I was
>  done. I had more fun watching the demo of it then playing it...
>  Something that sux is something that sux... So its better to write sucky
>  games on a platform where it can sell millions no?

This is your own opinion. Maybe you don't like simple racing games
with realistic graphics, but that doesn't mean others shouldn't.

>  Anyway, basicly you said VK failed because it had only 3 track, runned
>  pretty smothly but had no gameplay... thats RR to me, who care about
>  smooth cool gfx if the gameplay isn't there.

Do you honestly think VK and RR have got the same gameplay?

> : > You also forget 1 tiny point.... even if all amiga games where extra
> : > fun to play, how many games the average amiga user buy a year?
> : How should I know? I've never seen all Amiga games to be "extra fun to
> : play" for a year in a row.
>  Well, its something you better know if you plan to make a game for
>  the amiga market...

Thanks for telling me.

> : Cannon Fodder II sold approx. 120,000 copies on its first 3 days of
> : sale, if I remember right. If a game has excellent gameplay, Amiga
> : Format will rave about it (well, other mags too) and it won't sell
> : just "4000 copies if your lucky".
>
>  Amiga only? I didn't know that many amiga still existed :)

Now you do.

>  I remember of a number, populous when the amiga was at its peek. it
>  sold an acumulative of ~50,000 copies. The problem is that you have
>  a few game like that on the amiga market and it leave no room for others.
>  120,000 is a total dream number for the amiga.

If a game is worth playing, it will sell, maybe with a few exceptions.

> : Of course not, there are other reasons too. Many companies need to/will
> : port their games on the Amiga to increase their annual incomes in order
> : to survive the strong competition out there.
>  what usually happen is some amiga programmer will do the port for near
>  nothing... I dont think compagnies would even care about it otherwise.
>  For other you would have to do it for free or give them money for them
>  to do an amiga port.

Worms is a recent example of a game developed on the Amiga first.
If game companies like to keep a tight budget by doing straight ports
from the PC, instead of taking advantage of Amiga's custom chips,
it's their problem. Street Fighter II is an example of this. They
blame piracy about bad sales later.

> : >  Tell, me would you invest 1 year team work in an amiga game?
> : Yes.
>  I hope you come up with the next Lemming, or populous, or canon fodder...
>  Personaly I think you have totaly dreamy vision of the amiga game market.

Maybe.

>  1) "You have no money, a friend give you 500 disk with games, you dont
>  hurt the market a bit by playing them"
>  2) "You have 500 disk with games, you sell copy to 'friends', you are
>  a lowlife parasite like your 'friends'/customers".

Yup. What's your point?

--
Stel.