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- Path: vaxb.isc.rit.edu!MJP3783
- From: mjp3783@vaxb.isc.rit.edu
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: Ideas
- Date: 2 Jan 1996 01:47:05 GMT
- Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
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- References: <769_9512300249@genesplicer.org>
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- In article <769_9512300249@genesplicer.org>, Joey.McDonald@icon.genesplicer.org (Joey McDonald) writes:
- >O.K. I asked this stuff several years ago, but never really recieved
- >a good answer. First, I am NOT a programmer.. so I am simply speculating
- >on stuff that I don't have any in-depth knowledge of.
- >
- >-1-
- >
- >Basic Idea:
- >
- >The Agnus chip controls the amount of ram the custom chips can
- >access. Isn't there SOME way to "trick" the custom chips into using
- >a section (a larger section) of fast ram as though it were chip
- >memory? Kind of "retargeting" all calls for chip ram to fast ram?
-
- Agnus only has physical access to the chip ram. There are actually two ports on
- the chip ram (dual ported ram). One port goes to the custom chips, and one to
- the fast ram bus. Agnus (and all of the other custom chips) can only access
- chip ram. You can use chip ram as a buffer and swap stuff into fast ram, but I
- think that the speed of the fast ram bus might well limit the effectiveness of
- this.
-
- >
- >I have always been told that it's a "hardware" thing.. but I still
- >don't see why a clever programmer couldn't do this.
- >
- >I could see a program that installs itself like a rom-kicker and
- >when the system re-boots the program sets itself up and creates
- >a section of fast ram to use as "extended" chip ram. the PROGRAM
- >would controll and re-rout/retarget all custom chip stuff. Is
- >this absolutely impossible?
-
- Yup.
-
- >
- >-2-
- >
- >Also:
- >
- >Another idea I proposed a few years ago in this echo: a dyna-hires
- >and/or sliced display on AGA machines. The old "Dyna" and "sliced" modes
- >on ECS machines would take control of the copper. In hi-res it
- >would display a different set of 16 colors per scan line.. in
- >low-res the sliced modes were used to rid HAM of most of its
- >fringing. Since AGA has a much larger palette I could see many
- >uses of "sliced" and "dyna" modes on AGA displays to achieve
- >ham images with less fringing and perhaps a true 24-bit "dynamic"
- >mode.
- >
- >I had several people tell me that this WAS possible.. but never
- >saw anyone do anything with it... so I thought I'd bring it up again.
-
- This is (well, actually, I can't see any reason why it would be impossible)
- possible. But. You have to remember that those "modes" sucked up a fair amount
- of cpu time. They used the copper to cause an interrupt to the 680x0 which then
- changed the color registers. Keep in mind, too, that with the larger #'s of
- colors and resolutions (640x400x256, for example) that the processor would have
- to change more colors faster. In short - it might be suitable for a picture
- viewer, but probably not for a game or an animation.
-
- >
- >Joey McDonald
- >"The guy with the ideas that never quite seem to work :)"
-