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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 15:00:00 +0200
Subject: OS/2 Discussion Forum 910801
Reply-to: Moderated discussion forum on OS/2 <OS-2@BLEKUL11.BITNET>
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OS/2 Discussion Forum Mon, August 05, 1991 Volume 9108 Issue 01
Relevant addresses :
submissions : OS-2@BLEKUL11.BITNET (bitnet)
OS-2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be (domain)
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os2mod@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be (domain)
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Today's topics:
New files on LISTSERVer
WinGetLastError
Link problem, something to do with changing OS/2 version
OS/2 2.0 beta tester needs 3270
extended memory
Letter to PC Week editors
Mouse Template for OS/2 PMWord Version 1.1
Spanish Dictionary for OS/2 PMWord
Delete EA DATA. SF files|
Re: WinGetlastError 81001
An OS/2 V 2.0 Marketing and advertising idea
DeScribe 3.0 offer
Answers to various previous appends
Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
How to order OS/2 1.3 from IBM
Re: text editor for OS/2
Re: OS/2 V 2.0 Marketing and advertising idea
Finally: an 800 number for OS/2 (was: Why OS/2 might not get anywhere)
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1991 12:00:00 +0200
From: Moderator of the OS/2 Discussion Forum
Subject: New files on LISTSERVer
This is a list of new or updated OS/2 related files available from the
LISTSERV of the OS/2 Discussion Forum at BLEKUL11.
* File donated by D. Rober (FDAAA12@BLEKUL11)
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
POSLP2 ZIPXXE Prints listings in PostScript
POSPR2 ZIPXXE Prints text in PostScript
Both files now print the full 8-bits ASCII (437) character set,
support HPFS files and work in a CMD window.
* Files distributed via COMP.OS.OS2BIN
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
GNUDBM ZIPXXE1 GNU dbm v1.5 (database routines)
.. .. ..
GNUDBM ZIPXXE6 GNU dbm v1.5 (database routines)
GNUFU ZIPXXE1 GNU file manipulation utilities
.. .. ..
GNUFU ZIPXXE20 GNU file manipulation utilities
ZOO21e EXEXXE1 Zoo 2.1e (HPFS)
.. .. ..
ZOO21e EXEXXE8 Zoo 2.1e (HPFS)
These files are distributed AS IS, we can not guarantee anything about
their working. These files are all XXencoded ZIP files. To use these
files you must first XXdecode (We recommend our own version of XXdecode
which works under OS/2) and UNZIP (We recommend PKZIP also under OS/2).
We still welcome all OS/2 related files for distribution on our LISTSERV.
Send your files to OS-2@BLEKUL11.BITNET / OS-2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
we will arange everything for distribution.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1991 9:49:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: "NTTINY::JMEEHAN"@NTDOC.NCTNET.GOV
Subject: WinGetLastError
>We have a case where WinGetLastError returns 81001. I can't seem to
>find where to go to determine what this means. Advice anyone?
I also had trouble interpreting OS/2's error information. It is not
documented as well as it should be. However, it seems to work like
this:
WinGetLastError returns an ERRORID, which is in reality an unsigned long.
The two high bytes of the ERRORID are a severity code; the two low bytes
are the error code. An ERRORID of 81001 (hex) indicates an error with
severity 8 and error code 1001. Severity codes are defined in OS2DEF.H.
An 8 is SEVERITY_ERROR, which falls between a warning and a severe
error. Error codes are translated in appendix A of the MS OS/2
Programmer's Reference, volume 2. A 1001 is PMERR_INVALID_HWND.
Apparently you have an invalid window handle.
You can use the macros ERRORIDSEV and ERRORIDERROR to get the severity
and the error code from the ERRORID. They are also defined in OS2DEF.H.
All they do is return the low or high word of the ERRORID.
Joe Meehan internet: jmeehan@ntdoc.nctnet.gov
Computer Based Systems, Inc. phone: (501) 543-7658
National Center for Toxicological Research
Jefferson, Arkansas 72079
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 09:32:17 PLT
From: Wim Bonner <27313853@WSUVM1>
Subject: Link problem, something to do with changing OS/2 version
There was a question about Link not working after changing versions of
OS/2. I thought that the simplest thing to check is to make sure that
the correct link program is being used. Sometimes OS/2 installs its own
link program in its directory, earlier in the path than the linker that
you want to use. If that is the case, that can be throwing your program
off.
If that has already been checked, well, you are ahead of me.
----
WIM BONNER - 27313853@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU - V(509)334-4626
Have you seen my friend the puca?
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 12:20:11 CDT
From: "Bertram G. Moshier 612/683-5419" <bgm@gallipolis.cray.com>
Reply-To: bgm@timbuk.cray.com
Subject: OS/2 2.0 beta tester needs 3270
> I will be getting diskettes for OS/2 2.0 SE July beta soon, but have a
> major problem. I currently use OS/2 1.3 EE because I work a lot using
> a 3270 connection (coax, not networked).
> Any suggestions on how I might be able to have a 3270 connection
> using OS/2 2.0 SE? Would the entry level 3270 emulator, or some other
> such package work in the DOS box? Would the 1.3 CM work under 2.0?
> Surely someone else has faced this problem!
I don't have a solution since I don't use 3270 emulation through a 3270
line any more (I use the TCP/IP for OS/2 package from IBM).
I do know that 1.3 CM will not work under 2.0. According to conferences
2 & 6 on the IBM BBS several tried without success. I don't know what
specifically failed for them, though.
Please remember that the next EEP drop will include ES according to the
EEP FTN of 7/10/91.
Bert Moshier
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 12:30:05 CDT
From: "Bertram G. Moshier 612/683-5419" <bgm@gallipolis.cray.com>
Subject: extended memory
Rudolf:
I don't have a suggest on resolving your problem. I will, though, submit
the it to the IBM BBS in Altanta, GA and relay the responses (if any).
Bert.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 18:23:50 CDT
From: "Bertram G. Moshier 612/683-5419" <bgm@gallipolis.cray.com>
Subject: Letter to PC Week editors
Everyone / Anyone :
Again another letter to the editors of PC Week.
Bert.
Just one comment on the July 29, 1991 issue.
Opinion: GUI Wargames May Be Good Business in Disguise?
I agree with some of Ms. Patton's scenarios, disagree with two of her
conclusions and am sort of happy with another.
The first conclusion is "Even more interestingly, both scenarios end
in the same way: Microsoft introduces new technology, the kernel it
is developing under contract for IBM's OS/2 3.0, then smokes the
peace pipe with IBM after successfully moving OS/2 2.0 and Windows
users onto OS/2 3.0." My disagreement is simple. OS/2 V 2.0 will
merge Windows, DOS and OS/2 end-users onto one platform. This makes
it unimportant if Microsoft accomplishes the same feat 18 to 24
months later.
The second conclusion is "OS/2 V 2.0 will never own more than 15
percent to 20 percent of the desktop-computing market." I am happy
to see a "dead" operating system with such life. My conclusion is
OS/2 V 2.0 will by 1/93 be the preferred operating system for
end-users using any 386 or above processor. Why? Because no other
operating system during 1992, will provide an user full access to
their CPU and other pieces of hardware. Finally OS/2 V 2.0's list
price will be under $200, while DOS and Windows lists at $300 and a
lower list price means a lower street price.
The third conclusion is a follow-on to the second one. "Its (OS/2 V
2.0) hardware and memory requirements are too large; its applications
too few." I saw OS/2 V 2.0 running on a 2MB system. OS/2 V 2.0
applications includes all Window 3.1 (and below), all but a few DOS
and all OS/2 programs.
Finally, PC Week's article "Microsoft Pans OS/2 as IBM Ships New
Beta" disagrees with the third conclusion when it says: "Windows NT
apparently will be relegated to a high-end niche when it is released
next year. Ballmer said the operating system will require 8M bytes
of RAM and will be targeted at fast 386, 486 and RISC chips for
servers and high-end workstations." IBM say OS/2 V 2.0 will require
3M bytes or less (more of course helps performance) and ANY 386 or
above chip. I ask you which system takes less hardware and memory
requirements? The answer: OS/2 V 2.0 not Windows NT. Mr. Ballmer's
statement sounds more like what many people say about today's OS/2
which won't make Windows NT much of a winner.
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Date: 30 July 1991, 05:55:48 EDT
From: John A. Pershing Jr. <PERSHNG @ YKTVMH3>
Re: OS-2 EE V1.3 and GDDM OS-2 Link
I believe that you have to uninstall the "old" GDDM support, and then
install it again. This is explained somewhere in one of the manuals
(I'm not at the office now, so I can't look it up); I probably have the
details wrong, but you have to be logged on to your host, then from an
OS/2 command prompt you change to some-or-other directory (probably
C:\CMLIB) and run HGREMOVE (I think) followed by HGINST.
John Pershing
IBM Research, Yorktown Heights
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 20:02:58 UCR
From: "Raul E. Barragan N." <RBARRAGA@UCRVM2>
Subject: Mouse Template for OS/2 PMWord Version 1.1
I wish to know if the Microsoft OS/2 PMWord Version 1.1
package comes with a MOUSE TEMPLATE. The version that I just
bought, only came with a KEYBOARD TEMPLATE.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 20:04:41 UCR
From: "Raul E. Barragan N." <RBARRAGA@UCRVM2>
Subject: Spanish Dictionary for OS/2 PMWord
I wish to know if there exists a SPANISH DICTIONARY for
the Microsoft OS/2 PMWord Version 1.1
In the afirmative case, please tell me the exact
product name and -if possible- where can I get it
and how much does it cost.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 91 20:07:11 UCR
From: "Raul E. Barragan N." <RBARRAGA@UCRVM2>
Subject: Delete EA DATA. SF files|
What happens if I delete all the EA DATA. SF files
that the OS/2 Version 1.3 EE + CSD WR05015 has
generated in all of my hard disks?
I deleted one of them (by renaming it in DOS
with Norton utilities, etc.) and apparently nothing
happened until now. The file was deleted in the disk
where I currently handle all the files (documents,
spreadsheets, etc.). But I am afraid to do the same
operation in the disks where the OS/2 system files are
resident (C:) and others disks (D: etc).
I am arriving at a critical point for lack of disk space
and each one of these undesirable EA DATA. SF files
actually occupies more than 0.5 MB!
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Date: Tue Jul 30 11:25:14 BST 1991
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: WinGetlastError 81001
As I understand it, ERRORIDs consist of a severity and error code.
Hence, you have severity 8 (== SEVERITY_ERROR - i.e. more than a warning
but not fatal), and error code 1001 (== PMERR_INVALID_HWND - i.e. an invalid
window handle passed to some earlier call).
Hope this is right :-)
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: @ukc.ac.uk:mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
uucp: ...!mcsun!ukc!lena!mike OR mike@lena.uucp
earn: mike%ee.leeds@earn-relay.ac.uk
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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 91 10:54:33 CDT
From: "Bertram G. Moshier 612/683-5419" <bgm@gallipolis.cray.com>
Reply-To: bgm@timbuk.cray.com
Subject: An OS/2 V 2.0 Marketing and advertising idea
I understand executives at IBM are looking at this forum. Hopefully,
this is true. I have several ideas of which this is the first.
Bert.
To whomever at IBM is looking at OS/2 V 2.0 marketing and advertising
ideas and/or suggestions:
Idea/suggestion title: OS/2 V 2.0 Application Contest
Keywords: Applications, contest, press
Idea/suggestion description:
Background
OS/2's marketing problem is one of acceptance at the application
level. Two types of applications exist in OS/2, DOS and native OS/2.
OS/2 V 2.0 solves the DOS problem with multiple DOS boxes (MDVM),
bootable DOS and "built-in" Windows support.
On the other hand, the general PC world does not acknowledge or fully
understand the advantages of OS/2 native applications. OS/2
applications are by no means new. Yet the average DOS end-user, the
general press and the "computer literate press" have an education
gap.
This problem is even larger for Presentation Manager. One example is
PC Week's review of Word for PM. They did not discover that Word for
PM is not WYSIWYG on OS/2 1.3 with an 8514/A. I discovered this
problem in the first 10 minutes of usage.
Somehow OS/2's marketing effort must interest both commerical and
individuals to begin OS/2 V 2.0 Native Application programming. This
idea is one very powerful method.
Idea: An OS/2 V 2.0 Application Contest.
Description: IBM should sponsor an OS/2 V 2.0 Application Contest.
The contest's purpose is to find and reward those applications which
best use OS/2 V 2.0 features such as PM, threads, pipes, networking,
etc.
The contest will reward winners through three methods, prizes, free
advertising and the ability for the winners to advertise they won.
The contest would be open to both companies and individuals. In
order to provide a fair contest, two sections would exist, commercial
and individual. The individual section should include small groups
of individuals (say 7 or under).
Why should the contest encourage individuals? OS/2 needs acceptance.
This contest would encourage individuals to learn OS/2 as both
end-users and programmers. Once they are there, as Bill Gates says,
they will not leave OS/2 V 2.0. ** IBM needs to motivate people to
try OS/2 and move to OS/2. This contest will certainly motivate
people to look at, try, and work with OS/2 V 2.0! **
The structure of the sections would provide as follows:
Grand prize winner. This is the best OS/2 V 2.0 application in the
section. Since there are two sections there
will be two grand prize winners. The grand
prize winner comes from the category winner as
described below.
Category winner. Each section will have x (say 10) categories
representing each type of application. Examples
are OS/2 utilities, spreadsheet, word processors,
time management, programming tools, compilers,
accounting, project management, entertainment,
education, etc.
The two sections do not need to have the same
categories.
In my opinion the commerical prize section should not have much
depth. There should be no more than 3 winners per category. Both
the standard and competition for a winner slot should be high.
Please note: A rule could be the contest does not need to give out
all prizes. This permits the judges to say no one was worthy.
In my opinion the individual prize section should have real depth.
Individuals should feel as though they have a chance to win something
even something as simple as an OS/2 Entertainment package.
You might be saying where would an OS/2 Entertainment come from? One
possible answer is the contest. IBM could purchase the best games
(commerical and individual) and ship / sell them as a product.
** Please note: Many of these applications would find there way to
store shelves. OS/2 will look much better when its applications are
available on store shelves!
Additionally, individual winners could go to commerical companies and
sell their entry. These companies would see two benefits. First,
they would have a ready made OS/2 application. Second, they can
market the product as one of the best (or maybe as the Individual
Grand Prize Winner) OS/2 applications in existence.
Prize money: This is of course of to IBM. I can only give my
personal suggestion and reasons behind it.
Each Grand Prize Winner: $1,000,000.00
By Category: 1st place: $100,000.00
2nd place: $ 50,000.00
3rd place: $ 25,000.00 - end of commerical section
The individual section would continue, dropping quickly
from this point on down to "small" items like the
Entertainment package, mice, etc.
Another possible way to do the low end individual prizes:
Provide a rebate for IBM 32 bit developement tools which individuals
purchased if their entry meets certain minimum requirements. This
way individuals can can the contest won't cost them anything more
than their time if they meet certain minimum requirements. IBM gains
via two avenues:
a) Increased OS/2 V 2.0 sales of 2.0 and its programming tools.
b) The individual now knows and uses OS/2. (S)he has an OS/2
application which (s)he could promote either as shareware or to
a company!
Judging: Judges would come from the "computer literate press" such
as Windows and OS/2 Magazine, BYTE, PC Magazine, PC Week, etc. This
responsibility would encourage and/or require these editors and
reporters to become better OS/2 and PM educated. IBM would offer to
supply this education.
Judges would be looking for the best of OS/2. Windows ports, VIO
based applications, etc. would be acceptable but might not rate
highly. To win, an application would need to use 32 bit, PM,
threads, etc. Judging would consider integration with SAA's CUA-3, a
submission's RAS, etc.
Conclusion:
While OS/2 V 2.0 is the integration platform of the early 1990s, the
public must also begin to realize native OS/2 advantages. This
contest not only shows OS/2 in its own light but also spurs
development at all levels.
Advantages : Advantages exist in both the long and short term. In
the short term the contest insures:
A) A better educated and discerning press.
B) A higher general and computer press coverage level:
1) The general press will provide coverage since this will be the
first PC contest ever. Other companies (such as Cray) have
mainframe contests so the idea is not completely new in our
industry. The press will see IBM is serious about OS/2
applications and OS/2 itself.
2) The computer press will have a chance to write a whole series of
new articles. For example: What are the judges looking for in
a program and Why? What not to submit. Review of both good and
bad submissions. Additionally, they will need to cover OS/2 V
2.0 itself in great detail.
C) An immediately raised interest for both individual and commercial
developers. This interest would come from both the prize money
and the free publicity they could expect.
D) End-users read and hear about the OS/2 V 2.0's:
1) Advantages over DOS and Windows.
2) New applications (PM).
3) Native advantages such as PM, 32 bit, threads, RAS (of which DOS
has very little), etc.
4) SAA and CUA.
E) Windows/NT gets pushed to vapor press level.
F) After the contest, there would be many more OS/2 applications.
Store would have to start stocking OS/2 applications because of
all the press coverage, advertising, etc.
In the long term, the contest raises everyone (press, developers, IBM
and end-users) awareness and expectations of OS/2 native
applications.
Disadvantages : Except the expense, the disadvantages are only ones
of logistics. As for the expense, this contest's
Additional details : I know you are busy. Should you desire more
information on this idea, I am available at your convenience.
Bert Moshier
Cray Research, Inc.
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Date: Sun, 4 Aug 91 18:46:04 CDT
From: "Bertram G. Moshier 612/683-5419" <bgm@gallipolis.cray.com>
Subject: DeScribe 3.0 offer
From the IBM BBS:
Message : 1087 (OS/2 Programming Q&A) Date... : 8/ 3/91 (1:35 Pm)
From... : Alan Duboff Refer.. : None
To..... : All Sec'ty. : Public
Subject : DeScribe 3.0 $49 deal! Rec'vd. : No
DeScribe has a new promotion of their DeScribe 3.0 product out. I have
been using DeScribe 3.0 and it is a fine product, they have added
features to it that were lacking and it is a fine word processor for
OS/2 PM, unlike some of it's competitor's products that failed to take
advantage of the PM environment as well as they could have.
You pay $49 U.S. and in return you will receive a copy of the latest
Beta, (which seems very good to me, I have been using it for about a
month or so) a duplicate copy of essential documentation and a DWP 3.0
Coupon. You also get a Windows 3.0 version and OS/2 PM version on the
same set of disks in case you need to evaluate the Windows version as
well.
When the commercial version of DeScribe ships you will be notified
that your Beta expires in 30 days. At that point you will have 2
options.
1) Send in your DWP 3.0 Coupon with $150 for the commercial
version.
2) Return the beta documentation, disks and DWP 3.0 Coupon for
a full refund of $49.
Some features they added were the ability to create Tables. A Text
Toolbox for changing attributes on text objects (graphics always had
that). Both the Windows and OS/2 product uses the exact same files.
Both have the exact same interface and their OS/2 product actually
takes advantage of OS/2. I doesn't cost anything to look at their
product with this offer and I doubt you'll be sending it back for a
refund after you use it.
This offer started August 1st, call them at (800) 448-1586 for more
details and ask for Dan Hasenplug, he'll explain all the detail to
you.
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 91 11:04:31 CET
From: Roland FABRI <FABRI@BBRIBM11>
Subject: Answers to various previous appends
APPEND 1
> I'm searching X-Windows servers running in an OS/2 environment
There is an IBM internal use only (iuo) package called OS2PMX, which has an
experimental X window system server and runs with OS/2 EE 1.3+. As IBM iuo,
IBM'ers may not distribute it to customers. However, there *could* exist
exceptions. The responsible for this package is called Allen Springer from
IBM Cambridge. I do not have any supplemental info about this.
APPEND 2
> network modems and DOS
This is a known limitation of the today's version of IBM Lan Server (1.3).
Serial Ports can be shared online as OUT ports (eg for a printer), not
as a IN port (eg for a modem).
APPEND 3
> 3270 connection under OS/2 2.0
I am using OS/2 2.0 beta level 6.149 and the communications manager from
OS/2 EE13 just runs fine for 3270 emulation. Another solution is to run
Personal Communications 3270 (only tested with the new version 2.0) in a
DOS mvdm.
APPEND 4
> OS/2 EE13 and GDDM OS/2 link
be sure you use the right version of the file GQFSYS.DLL
for OS/2 EE12 : GQFSYS.DLL size 104424
for OS/2 EE13 : GQFSYS.DLL size 105522
Roland (IBM Belgium).
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Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
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From: sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz)
Subject: How to order OS/2 1.3 from IBM
Date: 1 Aug 91 21:47:15 GMT
Organization: Borland International
I just saw a notice from IBM on their OS/2 forum on Compuserve saying
that OS/2 1.3 can now be ordered directly from IBM by calling
1-800-3IBMOS2 (which is 1-800-342-6672)
-- sidney markowitz <sidney@borland.com>
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From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: text editor for OS/2
Organization: The Village Waterbed
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1991 18:40:33 GMT
In <1991Jul30.221844.24642@rice.edu> schafer@devils.is.rice.edu
(Richard Alan Schafer) writes:
> In article <1991Jul29.183050.616@watson.ibm.com>, Larry Margolis
> <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> > The latest beta of OS/2 2.0 includes an "Enhanced Editor" in the "Tools and
> > Games" group, which I humbly believe to be the best editor anywhere. It's a
> > PM editor, and will run on OS/2 1.2 and above.
> >
> > Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (csnet)
>
> Hum, Larry, that wouldn't be a biased opinion based on your having written
> epm, would it? :-)
I'm one person in the group that developed EPM, true, but I thought the DOS-
based version was the best editor around even before I joined the "E group" a
few years ago.
> (It *is* a nice editor, but I wouldn't go as far as Larry.)
It has a number of features that you might not have seen. E.g., if you have
Communications Manager installed, try editing HA:PROFILE EXEC. Also, if you
have LEXAM.DLL on your system (possibly from some other IBM product that
included it), spell checking and synonyms will magically show up on the
Options menu. EPM includes syntax assist for C, Pascal and Rexx; line, block
and character marks; unlimited number of files in an edit window; marks can be
copied between files in an edit window or between edit windows directly, as
well as through the PM clipboard; paragraph reflow; full undo; powerful search
capabilities (including GREP); can record and play back sequences of
keystrokes; box and line drawing; files can be loaded from any path setting;
built-in sort and math commands:
- MATH command handles arbitrary mathematical expressions, e.g.
math (52 + 89.6) / 2 ** 3
Arguments and results can be in decimal, hexadecimal or octal.
- ADD and MULT commands that can calculate the sum or product of
numbers in a file being edited, and enter the result in the file.
Can get a directory listing in an edit window, then load any file
listed with a single keystroke; and lots more.
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI at YKTVMV (bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (csnet)
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From: laird@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: OS/2 V 2.0 Marketing and advertising idea
Date: 3 Aug 91 01:49:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
At first I thought "Oh, great. Here's another 'You know if I were in charge...'
dreamer."
But I kept reading...and I AGREE!
I've only done text-based programming, but would love to jump into OS/2. I'd
take IBM up on such an offer. (Would the development kits have payment due
later than the contest? If the kits are expensive, some of us would have a
tough time putting up money until our rebates came back.)
Also, I'm starving for OS/2 apps for the dept. I work for. (Anyone want to
write some _good_ 'workgroup productivity' software?) This would surely
encourage such programming. Apps. like Ventura and Word for PM, well, er...
let's face it - they suck. Some competition would be welcome (by me).
Come on IBM - this is a good idea!
--kyler
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From: wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes)
Subject: Finally: an 800 number for OS/2 (was: Why OS/2 might not get anywhere)
Date: 3 Aug 91 22:25:31 GMT
skc@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Shri) writes:
>So I started calling the local software
>stores ... (now granted that Cincinnati does not have the best
>software stores) and they informed me that they could not sell OS/2
>You have to be an IBM authorised dealer to do that. This is stupid...
Yes, and it's wrong. I don't know if that was ever the case, but you've
just hit some neutral- or ant-IBM stores. And yes it's pretty stupid
that some of the marketers don't even know it. But never fear! IBM
has set up an 800 number JUST to order OS/2 1.3 NOW and 2.0 when it
comes out later.
The number is 1-800-3IBMOS2, and unfortunately works (for now) only for
the continental USA. I was assured on the Compuserve Convention with
Lee Reiswig (Aka Blue Ninja) last Thursday that this would be fixed RSN
there would be
1) expanded 800 service outside the US, and
2) a non-800 number.
1-800-3IBMOS2. Order yours today! (It slices, it dices... :-)
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