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                  General OS/2 Discussion          (Fidonet)

                 Saturday, 16-Oct-1999 to Friday, 22-Oct-1999

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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 13:20:29
  To: Rob Basler                                        16-Oct-99 00:50:18
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Rob Basler wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RB> Good luck,

Thanks for the info.

If you think of any other utilities, programs you would recommend, feel
free to let me know.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 13:22:23
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  16-Oct-99 00:50:18
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Paul Hildebrandt wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PH> I believe it was Y2K compliant as of fixpack 35.

thanks for the info.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Bat Lang                                          10-Oct-99 14:43:03
  To: All                                               16-Oct-99 00:50:18
Subj: UniMaint ???

Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since it
is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive, there is no
way to determine what I want to know, short of installing it <Ugh!>

I have absolutely NO knowledge of this app, so I am wondering if someone
familiar with it can answer the following:

What is the basic function of this pgm?
Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc)
If you use it, why?
What does it do for you?
Cost of ownership?
Pros & Cons of installing it?

Thanks for any informative reply, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 16:24:10
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:


 RJT> Actually,  if you were to make it HPFS (and you'd gain a lot by doing
 RJT> so,  both in terms of usable space and in terms of performance),  you
 RJT> could still access your FAT partitions from within OS/2 and use _that_
 RJT> to move stuff around...

Perhaps, but want both OSes to see all drives.

 LP> Ouch.  Do I have to start at 1 or can I go directly to 42?

 RJT> They're cumulative,  and you can start with the latest one if you want.

Good to know.  Can't imagine having to start from #1.  Will the last one
also have the Y2K patch?:

 RJT> Feel free to freq "OS2" from here,  which will get you a copy of the
 RJT> OS/2 portion of my files section,  and snag anything else that you'd
 RJT> like...

 LP> I don't understand what you mean by "freq".

 RJT> File request.  Or download it.  Or send a message to
 RJT> [e-mail] (assuming you have email) and put the
 RJT> words get os2 in the body of the message and you'll get back a
 RJT> uuencoded zip file (assuming you have a decoder) with the list in it.

My board gives me an email address but still not certain what uyou mean
by the rest.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      15-Oct-99 16:28:09
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 LP> What if I Partition Magic a small one?

 RJT> Having that makes things a _lot_ easier.  <g>

 RJT> Yeah,  if you can shrink your first partition slightly,  then move it
 RJT> up some, you can install Boot Manager at the beginning of the HD and no
 RJT> problem...

 RJT> You only need _one_ cylinder to install it.

Guess would have to temp call it C and boot the DOS system files for the
install?  I'm starting to wonder if I can keep the small partition
hidden rename....  Sigh.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Scott Jones                                       16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Norton AV

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 -=> On 06 Oct 99  15:07:04, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Scott Jones <=-

 RCB> But you are sure about server dont exist?

 SJ> Currently, no, it doesn't exist, and I've searched all over for any

Relax!! :p

 SJ> possibility of its' existance.  The newer version, BO2K, *could* be
 SJ> ported to OS/2 were some enterprising hacker moved to do so.  I have
 SJ> the source right here, AAMOF.  It's useless to me, however, as: a) I

hehe, what the purpose of the code then?

 SJ> can't even program in REXX and b) it requires MS Visual C++ v6.0, which

I have some expertise in Pascal but Pascal compilers for OS2
are difficult why need DLLs whit conflit (ie, emx9a & emx9c)
or why dont understand Borland syntax. I use nftp client ftp
& it need emx9a (or like) but the compilers need new versions.

 SJ> I don't believe exists for OS/2.  Not to say it couldn't be done, but
 SJ> the difficulty of such I'll leave for an actual programmer to
 SJ> determine.

Anyone know possibilities it have place on OS2 world?

 SJ> ... Dawn: The time of day when people with computers go to bed.

8p

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Data overflow error at port 60h: Please remove cat from keyboard.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Bat Lang, [06 Oct 99  15:07:04] <=-

 BL> It resisted all my efforts, but another recent post here prompted me

Bad. :(

 BL> not had any luck in figuring out its mysteries, but then I have not
 BL> =needed= this capability yet, so I haven't played with it. So far I

I need it.

 BL> drgtxt31.zip     399608 1999/07/15  DragText v3.1

New version! I get it after these replies.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... I know nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooothing.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Leonard Erickson <=-

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LE> Not that I know of. It got updated the same time everything else did.
 LE> Just keep in mind the fact that since it started later, the version
 LE> number is lower than that of 4dos.

Thanks for this info.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Windows?  Homey don't play that!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: John Thompson                                     16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: A BIG sort...

 -=> Quoting John Thompson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JT> 4OS2 v3.02 was released April 1999.  AFAIK, JP Software is still
 JT> actively updating 4OS2.

Yeah, I see it somedays ago. Thanks.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... "Windows Everywhere" -- landfills, septic tanks . . .

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Jack Stein                                        16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JS> There are a number of tools that require an objectid, for example, I
 JS> have a script that periodically scans my system to determine if the BBS
 JS> is active or not, and restarts it if it crashed, and scripts that shut
 JS> it down before opening an internet session, then waits until the
 JS> internet session ends then automatically loads the BBS.  ObjectID's are
 JS> an intregal part of all this, and they are a good way to open DOS
 JS> sessions with all the settings that the object requires when you can't
 JS> be there to click on an icon.

What progies require objectid? I am curious! =)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... If only AT&T knew what I was do&%$m6% NO CARRIER ....

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: long lines

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 RB> I use bluewave 2.30 and you?

 ET> I use Golded/2 v3

But Golded/2 is for BBS! Its an app for the server side.

 RB> BW dont "trim" but the reading is more troubled & replies too.

 ET> Why don't you try Golded/2 or another reader? There are plenty of OS/2
 ET> message readers.

I know a few.. MultiMail/2 I dont like, KWQ/2 is for QWK.

What are others options?
(is excelent a reader whit copy&paste support)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Netscape Communicator

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> I just put the newest EMX DLLs in a directory which is in my libpath.
 ET> I haven't seen problems with programs demanding older EMX DLLs.

Here emx dont work very well & not only this, nftp 1.53 dont run!

 RB> I like native os2 soft... Much more bullet-proof.

 ET> Sure. :)

Oh yeah, it is the law!! 8} Running only native os2 soft...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... 32bits progies for an OS 32bits.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: help please?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 RB> Which I didnt know, is "can" or "need" be for textures.

 ET> I don't understand your question. Or is this no question at all?

No question, really. I didn't know if "can"/"need" was needed...

 ET> High quality 15-inch monitors can use up to 1024x768 with a stable
 ET> picture but then everything gets too small to be usefull. 800x600 is
 ET> useful on a 15 inch monitor.

800x600 is too small, 1024x768 is small but better...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail, (G)rab_Hammer

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Need OS/2

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> If I Remember Correctly

3la are bad, very bad................

 ET> I've a textfile with such abbreviations, I will email it to you.
 ET> [e-mail] is your email address?

Yeah, among others...(!)

 ET> That looks OK to me.

For me, too.

 ET> General rule: the older the mainboard BIOS, the less new devices like
 ET> big IDE harddisks can be used.

But 1997 is old?! What mainboard then? PIII-450 capable? (i want it! 8)

 ET> The mainboard BIOS is only used to start loading OS/2, until the OS/2
 ET> drivers take over. So OS/2 bootpartitions need to be within the first
 ET> 1024 cylinders of the harddisk.

AFAIK, within 1024 cylinders is not needed why ibm1s506 is updated.

 ET> DOS relies on the mainboard BIOS.

DOS isnt a operating system, its a loader. Enough said.... =)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: WarpFM newsletter

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> Let us know how it goes

Yeah.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... OLODUMDUM ammos, it will kill you.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Why is this?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 RB> What are they?

 ET> I don't understand this question.

They: the places with fixpaks cdroms for sale.

 ET> They download and place the fixpaks on cdroms.

Less pain, more money, more happy... <8}

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> No need to post those links.

You who know..

 RB> http://www.mp3bee.com

 ET> I can look there, but I'm falling behind (I've too little time).

The links already found do it is a very much easy task.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 03:48:01
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 ET> Hello Rodrigo,

Hello Eddy

 ET> There are a number of options, and ofcourse the easiest to use is the
 ET> most expensive and has the most
 ET> bells and whistles: the Graham Utilities and the Gammatech Utilities
 ET> both have a program to backup and
 ET> restore the partition table and other vital parts - without knowing
 ET> how it works, you just have to know
 ET> how to use the program but that's not difficult, just carefully
 ET> reading the manual - among other
 ET> programs, highly recommended if you can afford it or if you can save
 ET> money until you can afford it.

I go testing these two.

 ET> Dfsee (www.fsys.demon.nl) is free to use, but it's not easy to use.

Explain it for me. =)

 ET> Disk editors can be used to save and restore individual disk sectors,
 ET> but you have to know how to do
 ET> that (this requires direct access to the harddisk and to the first
 ET> physical sector on the harddisk, there the primary partition table is
 ET> located, linked secondary partition tables point to logical
 ET> partitions).

Oh no, it is very is unforetelling...

 ET> You can ask for a cdrom with fixpaks, I think?

Maybe, the credit card is a major problem...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. - Gandhi

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             16-Oct-99 04:02:03
  To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard                         16-Oct-99 07:23:13
Subj: Why is this?

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JdBP> The fact that the filesystem structures on disk are consistent and
 JdBP> sane means nothing about the actual data content of the file.  The data
 JdBP> in the MP3 file could have been corrupted in any number of ways, from
 JdBP> being accidentally downloaded using FTP in text mode instead of binary
 JdBP> mode to accidentally being concatenated with another file with a
 JdBP> mistyped COPY command.
 JdBP> And then there's the fact that not all file players and viewers are
 JdBP> equal.  Not all software copes with every possible ramification of the
 JdBP> file formats.  There are many JPEG files floating around Out There that
 JdBP> PMJPEG will refuse to display but that PMVIEW will display quite
 JdBP> happily, simply because they use JPEG file format features that PMVIEW
 JdBP> understands but that PMJPEG does not.

The file was *perfect* before crash. Played it many times
with WarpAMP but after it unhappy event, my mp3 is gone!

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... The number you have dialed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.

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From: Alan Hess                                         14-Oct-99 18:09:27
  To: Dan Egli                                          16-Oct-99 11:34:21
Subj: win plug-ins

Whilst masticating on <Oct 10 99>, Dan Egli (1:311/50)
wrote to Alan Hess:

AH>> With the installation of Netscape/2 4.61 over 4.04, I seem to
AH>> have lost my windows plugins.  How do I get them back?  Thanks.

DE> If they were in different dirs (4.61 vs 4.04) then just copy the
DE> plugins dir from 4.04 to 4.61

Same directories.

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From: Charles Gaefke                                    15-Oct-99 21:50:26
  To: Louis Aubree                                      16-Oct-99 11:34:21
Subj: Re: Scsi Too expensive?

CG>     Period.
LA>
LA> Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD.
LA> But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ...

    Yeah, so?

    You are preaching to the choir, and a poor choir at that.

    The point is I can get an IDE drive twice the size of a SCSI drive for the
same price.

    That's all I need to know to decide which way to go.


    Os/2 is better than Windows.  Which do people use?
    Beta is better than VHS.  Which do people use?
    SCSI is better than IDE.  Which do people use?



C. Gaefke
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From: Peter Knapper                                     16-Oct-99 17:54:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 11:34:21
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK> Dual Boot means that DOS and OS/2 MUST reside in the SAME partition,

 PK> The next best option (IMHO) would be to install
 PK> Boot Manager, and that

 LP> I think I got my terms wrong.  I think I meant the Boot Manager.

Then life is going to be MUCH easier for you......;-)

 LP> Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to change
 LP> anything except load.

Yes, use Partition Magic to free up the first Cylinder of your Boot Disk and
when you install OS/2, select the ADVANCED install. This will allow you to put
Boot Manager in the space yo ufreed up AND specify your D drive as the place
you want OS/2 installed.

 LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have to have
 LP> Windows on my harddrive?

Thats right, BLUE pack contains Windows WITHIN OS/2, RED pack allows an
existing Windows 3.1 environment to be run from within OS/2. I ALWAYS used the
BLUE version, the RED version is too easy to corrupt.

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     16-Oct-99 19:52:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 11:34:21
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK> Dual Boot means that DOS and OS/2 MUST reside in the SAME partition,

 PK> The next best option (IMHO) would be to install
 PK> Boot Manager, and that

 LP> I think I got my terms wrong.  I think I meant the Boot Manager.

Then life is going to be MUCH easier for you......;-)

 LP> Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to change
 LP> anything except load.

Yes, use Partition Magic to free up the first Cylinder of your Boot Disk and
when you install OS/2, select the ADVANCED install. This will invoke the OS/2
FDISK and allow you to put Boot Manager in the space you freed up, AND specify
your D drive as the place you want OS/2 installed.

 LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have to have
 LP> Windows on my harddrive?

Thats right, BLUE pack contains Windows WITHIN OS/2, RED pack allows an
existing Windows 3.1 environment to be run from within OS/2. I prefer the BLUE
version, the RED version is just too easy to corrupt. Warp 4 only came out in
BLUE, they gave up on RED...

Some things you may wish to think about -
  1. I suggest that you SERIOUSLY consider using HPFS rather than FAT for the
OS/2 partition. OS/2 NEEDS extended attributes on files to work correctly, and
because the FAT file system does not understand these, OS/2 uses a special
file (EA DATA. SF, yes spaces included!) to store them. The catch here is that
if you EVER touch the FAT partition with a DOS partition utility (EG Defrag a
disk), then you can almost guarantee that the Extended attributes will be lost
for some files and you may experience some problems when you start OS/2 again.
Think VERY HARD about this one, running OS/2 on FAT and booting back to DOS to
touch those files WILL bite you HARD at some time if you use FAT! If you store
them on HPFS, then DOS can't fiddle with the EA's...
  2. DOS programs run under OS/2 have no problems accessing HPFS partitions,
they look just like a FAT partition to the DOS program, so you are nt
prevented from sing HPFS partitions in a DOS box under OS/2, instead you gain
by the increased performance of HPFS.
  3. I have run OS/2 since V1.3, and HPFS the entire time. In that entire time
I have NEVER run any sort of DEFRAG over an HPFS partition, it just doesn't
need it!

Cheers..........pk.


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From: Bob Wright                                        15-Oct-99 19:56:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 13:40:06
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

Linda Proulx hastily said to Don Guy:


 DG>> IIRC, it is if you install FixPack #26 or higher.

 LP> Thanks for the info.  Do the fixpacks work for both flavours or are they
 LP> different?

Warp 3 fixpaks work for all the variants of Warp 3 (there are actually 5 -
        Warp for Windows (red)
        Warp with Windows (blue)
        Warp Connect (red)
        Warp Connect (blue)
        Warp Server 4 (which is really a misnomer, since it's actually a
server
        variant of Warp 3).

And to answer a few questions I saw in your other posts,

1. You can go directly to the latest one, as all fixpaks are cumulative.
        I currently run Warp Connect blue at fp 40.

2. Fixpak 40 requires 20 floppies.  These are compressed disk images,
requiring a special program to copy them from your hard drive to the floppies.
 The program (called loaddskf) will run in both OS/2 and DOS.  Your friend
should probably use the program to create the floppies once they're
downloaded.

3.  All fixpaks also require a special utility to control their operation.
The latest one is called cs_141.exe and can be found at the same location as
the fixpaks.

4.  You'll need a good e-mail program if you're going to get internet access.
        The three most often encountered are MR2-ICE, PMMail and PostRoad
Mailer.  (PostRoad has recently been turned out as freeware, as the vendor is
no longer supporting OS/2 applications...  If the lack of vendor support
doesn't bother you, this would be well worth a look... I've had several
versions of the product and never had to call for help.  Of course, I'm not
what's known as a power user either <G>).

5.  Other utilities...
        Configinfo (it's old but still has a lot of value)
        Configmaint (more uptodate, slightly different operation)
        Inibrowser
        Web Explorer to start
        Netscape as soon as it's practical (2.02 or 4.61 - I'm using both,
since 4.61 can be a bit flaky on downloads)
        FTP (I have tried both Emtec and ftpbrowser 1.71, this is a toss-up)
        Infozip's ZIP and UNZIP clones
        You might want to get a graphical ZIP file viewer. There are quite a
few of these.. I personally use RPF ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others
along the way.

A lot of other things (as well as some of the suggestions above) will depend
on just how you use your OS/2 setup ...

        -- Bob

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 12:01:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Newbie

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> What if I Partition Magic a small one?

 RJT> Having that makes things a _lot_ easier.  <g>

 RJT> Yeah,  if you can shrink your first partition slightly,  then move it
 RJT> up some, you can install Boot Manager at the beginning of the HD and no
 RJT> problem...

 RJT> You only need _one_ cylinder to install it.

 LP> Guess would have to temp call it C and boot the DOS system
 LP> files for the install?

No,  there's no drive letter involved for Boot Manager.

 LP> I'm starting to wonder if I can keep the small partition hidden
 LP> rename....  Sigh.

I don't think you'll have as much of a problem as you may suspect here.  You
have partition magic,  right?  What you need to do is this:

1.  Defrag your drive c.

2.  Fire up partition magic,  and tell it you want to work on drive c.  Shrink
it by one cylinder.  That should give you one small free block right after it.

3.  While still in partition magic,  tell it you want to _move_ that partition
up some,  so that you end up with that bit of free space at the beginning of
the drive.

4.  Boot from the OS/2 install disks,  and when you get to the choice of
manual or automatic install,  tell it you want to do it manually.

5.  Go into fdisk,  and tell it you want to install boot manager.

6.  Once BM is installed,  then you can select other partitions you want to
add to the BM menu,  change the defaults,  etc.  (I typically change the delay
time from the default setting of 30 seconds down to 5 or 10,  for one
example.)

Most of that stuff is fairly easy,  menu-driven,  and if you get messed up or
whatever,  you can always back out without saving anything to disk,  and ask
in here about it.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 12:18:03
  To: Charles Gaefke                                    16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Scsi Too expensive?

Charles Gaefke wrote in a message to Louis Aubree:

CG>     Period.
LA>
LA> Well, SCSI HD's are expensive. So, go on with ATAPI/IDE HD.
LA> But you can use SCSI for a CD burner and a scanner and ...

 CG>     Yeah, so?

 CG>     You are preaching to the choir, and a poor choir at that.

 CG>     The point is I can get an IDE drive twice the size of a
 CG> SCSI drive for the same price.

 CG>     That's all I need to know to decide which way to go.

 CG>     Os/2 is better than Windows.  Which do people use?
 CG>     Beta is better than VHS.  Which do people use?
 CG>     SCSI is better than IDE.  Which do people use?

I'd say that it all depends on what it is that you want to do...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 11:54:29
  To: Bat Lang                                          16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: UniMaint ???

Bat Lang wrote in a message to All:

 BL> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL> Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive.
 BL> Since it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the
 BL> archive, there is no way to determine what I want to know,
 BL> short of installing it <Ugh!>

I just *hate* it when they do that...

 BL> I have absolutely NO knowledge of this app, so I am wondering
 BL> if someone familiar with it can answer the following:

 BL> What is the basic function of this pgm?
 BL> Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc)
 BL> If you use it, why?
 BL> What does it do for you?
 BL> Cost of ownership?
 BL> Pros & Cons of installing it?

I think that this is a very common trend among some software authors,  and a
very unfortunate one at that.  The only good thing is that it's going to be a
self-limiting phenomenon,  as these questions ought to be easily answerable
_before_ one installs a package,  and if I can't find out I sure as heck won't
install such a package here.  If enough people felt that way perhaps people
wouldn't be writing stuff that acted like that...

Reminds me of some of the winXX stuff that's showed up here where it's named
something.exe and you go to look inside it and all that's in there is one big
setup.exe file.  What the heck am I supposed to do with that?  Toss it is most
likely!

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 11:59:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Warp 3 install

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT> Actually,  if you were to make it HPFS (and you'd gain a lot by doing
 RJT> so,  both in terms of usable space and in terms of performance),  you
 RJT> could still access your FAT partitions from within OS/2 and use _that_
 RJT> to move stuff around...

 LP> Perhaps, but want both OSes to see all drives.

Why?

 LP> Ouch.  Do I have to start at 1 or can I go directly to 42?

 RJT> They're cumulative,  and you can start with the latest one if you want.

 LP> Good to know.  Can't imagine having to start from #1.  Will the
 LP> last one also have the Y2K patch?:

Yes,  according to what I saw in a nearby message it's in all of them from #35
onwards.

 RJT> Feel free to freq "OS2" from here,  which will get you a copy of the
 RJT> OS/2 portion of my files section,  and snag anything else that you'd
 RJT> like...

 LP> I don't understand what you mean by "freq".

 RJT> File request.  Or download it.  Or send a message to
 RJT> [e-mail] (assuming you have email) and put
 RJT> the words get os2 in the body of the message and you'll get
 RJT> back a uuencoded zip file (assuming you have a decoder) with
 RJT> the list in it.

 LP> My board gives me an email address but still not certain what
 LP> uyou mean by the rest.

Netmail me the address,  or send it to me email at
[e-mail] and I'll see what I can do about sending
you the file.

You'll need a program to do uudecoding,  though.  Ask around,  locally...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 12:10:05
  To: Gene Tucker                                       16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Gene Tucker wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 GT> In a message dated 10-14-99, Linda Proulx said to Gord
 GT> Hannah:

LP>What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C: drive?

 GT> Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive.

This is not correct.  Boot manager requires _one cylinder_ at the beginning of
_the first physical drive_.  There's no "3MB" in there anywhere,  and the
actual amount of drive space used is going to depend on the way the system
deals with the geometry of the drive.  It'll vary from 1M to as much as 8M.

Saying "on your C: drive" is inaccurate,  too,  as the drive letter refers to
the first bootable primary partition _after_ the partition that contains Boot
Manager.

 GT> This does mean you will have to backup C drive and reinstall
 GT> after you have recreated the partician with OS/2 Fdisk.

No it does not.  If Partition Magic is available,  as she has indicated,  then
it can be done without having to back up,  delete and recreate as you say
here.

 GT> If you are running Win9X you will not be able to use FAT32

You can if you set up partitions first and install w9x afterwards,  that's
_internal_ to the partition in question and doesn't have anything to do with
the rest of this stuff.

 GT> and you will have to reboot with OS/2 Fdisk to activate the
 GT> Bootmanager after installing Win9X.

Actually that can be done with win's fdisk as well.  They do warn you about
this during the install process,  too.  I can understand it as there are a
number of reboots required during the install process,  but a fresh install of
win is probably not necessary in this case.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 11:59:00
  To: Will Honea                                        16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Y2k

Will Honea wrote in a message to Peter Knapper:

 WH> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx on 10-14-1999

PK>  LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?
PK>
PK> FixPak 35 or greater (FP40 was the last I think) should
PK> bring Warp 3 up to Y2K readyness. These are available for
PK> free download from the IBM Web sites.

 WH> The IBM site specifies FP32 as Y2K compliant, but minor
 WH> issues have been resolved up thru FP42.  FP40 is the last
 WH> free Warp 3 fixpak for other than Warp Server Advanced or
 WH> paid subscriptions.  Consensus seems to be that you might as
 WH> well go ahead and us FP40 - It seems to have been pretty
 WH> solid.

I've got it installed here,  and have had exactly *one* problem with it,  that
being that it clobbered my sound card driver.  An updated driver fixed the
problem.

I've seen no other hassles with it at all.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   16-Oct-99 13:30:07
  To: Bob Wright                                        16-Oct-99 18:20:17
Subj: Y2K

Bob Wright wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:

 BW> 2. Fixpak 40 requires 20 floppies.  These are compressed disk
 BW> images, requiring a special program to copy them from your hard
 BW> drive to the floppies.  The program (called loaddskf) will run
 BW> in both OS/2 and DOS.  Your friend should probably use the
 BW> program to create the floppies once they're downloaded.

I don't know what it's going to take for her to get zip disk support,  but it
would sure seem to me like it'd be a lot easier as far as getting those files
on to her system.

 BW> 3.  All fixpaks also require a special utility to control their
 BW> operation.  The latest one is called cs_141.exe and can be
 BW> found at the same location as the fixpaks.

I'd have to look to be sure,  but I think what I ended up using was 140,
rather than 141.  The nice thing about it is that it'll work directly with the
files involved and you don't need to do anything with floppies at all.

<...>

 BW> 5.  Other utilities...
 BW>         Configinfo (it's old but still has a lot of value)
 BW>         Configmaint (more uptodate, slightly different
 BW> operation)         Inibrowser
 BW>         Web Explorer to start
 BW>         Netscape as soon as it's practical (2.02 or 4.61 - I'm
 BW> using both, since 4.61 can be a bit flaky on downloads)

I have 2.02 here.  Am I correct in assuming that the 4.xx numbers refer to
_communicator_ rather than _navigator_?  If so,  what's the advantage of going
to it?

 BW>         FTP (I have tried both Emtec and ftpbrowser 1.71, this
 BW> is a toss-up)

I grabbed a bunch of ftp stuff out of the files section here to try.  Emtec
was the first,  and I never did get around to trying out any of the others for
the short time I had some 'net access a while back.  There were a few things
about the way it worked that I didn't care for,  and then it started nagging
me worse,  to the point where I up and deleted the whole silly thing.  I don't
care what some authors think,  30 days and then quit is not necessarily a
valid assumption,  especially if your evaluation of a product is only
intermittent and you've got other things going on in your life.

 BW>         Infozip's ZIP and UNZIP clones

I have these,  and also the PKware product for OS/2.  Is there any particular
advantage to going with the Infozip products?  Aside from the fact that
they're freeware,  that is...

 BW>         You might want to get a graphical ZIP file viewer.
 BW> There are quite a few of these.. I personally use RPF
 BW> ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others along the way.

What does that do for you?

 BW> A lot of other things (as well as some of the suggestions
 BW> above) will depend on just how you use your OS/2 setup ...

Yep,  ain't that always the case?  :-)

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From: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 16-Oct-99 22:10:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        16-Oct-99 22:18:17
Subj: Y2K

 BW> 2. Fixpak 40 requires 20 floppies.  These are compressed
 BW> disk images, requiring a special program to copy them
 BW> from your hard drive to the floppies.  The program
 BW> (called loaddskf) will run in both OS/2 and DOS.  Your
 BW> friend should probably use the program to create the
 BW> floppies once they're downloaded.

You don't need to create the numerous floppy disks if you use a program such
as diunpack which unpacks the .dk* files into files on your hard disk.
Diunpack can be found in fastk***.zip.   The last version I had was fastk139,
but there should be versions for cs140 and cs141 as well.

Larry

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From: Gord Hannah                                       16-Oct-99 06:28:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 22:30:04
Subj: Newbie

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,

About Re: Newbie, On Thu Oct 14 1999

 GH> Get a hold of your sysop Robin, if I recall has played with OS/2 and

 GH>  * Origin: Marsh BBS (c) [Dawson Creek BC Canada] 1-250-786-7921

LP> This is a small community | ).

Dawson Creek is yup much smaller than Winnipeg.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
[e-mail]
Gord
-=Team OS/2=-
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From: Gord Hannah                                       16-Oct-99 06:30:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 22:30:04
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,

About Re: Warp 3 install, On Thu Oct 14 1999

 GH> Can be done very easily.  Select advanced install tell it to install to
 GH> d when it asks you for the fdisk command say nope, I would however

LP> What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C: drive?

If my feeble memory serves me right that is not used in dual boot.  I would
invest in another HD and do full install using native OS/2 stuff complete with
boot manager, less hassles that way.

 GH> Look in hobbes.nmsu.edu you should be able to find a wealth of stuff in
 GH> there.

LP> Not on the net.  Suggestions so that I can request a friend to dl
LP> for me.

What type of stuff will you be looking for?  You will need SIO for sure, Robin
just might have it on his system ask him, he would probably gladly let you
down load it and then you can set it up when you need it.

LP> Thanks for replying.

NP.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
[e-mail]
Gord
-=Team OS/2=-
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     14-Oct-99 20:31:15
  To: Tobias Ernst                                      17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: Write Our Own Version

* Reply to a message in Sysop.

Tobias Ernst wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 RT> Well, you would be able to finance a whole lotta FIDO software for
 RT> Linux using that, about the only area where Linux lacks. (VBG)

 TE> You already know http://husky.sar-gmbh.com? It's a complete suite
 TE> of native (i.E. Squish message base, and so on) Fido software for
 TE> Linux, and I am using it on 2476/419 (an IP node on a DEC Alpha
 TE> with Tru64 Unix).

Nope, heard reference to it time to time, and thanks for the URL.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     15-Oct-99 14:55:25
  To: Dan Egli                                          17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Dan Egli wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 -=> Quoting Russell Tiedt to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <=-
 RT> Yes SMTP, does not have to be fancy or secure, need for short period
 RT> while convicing supplier of mother board on WINNT /Linux box that it is
 RT> faulty and then get replacement fitted. This leaves me with my OS/2 box
 RT> as only Internet capable system.

 RT> Anyone else have any info on the above?

 DE> I believe that Warp 4 ships with a version of Sendmail ported to
 DE> Os/2. Look in tcp/ip config.

Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far as I can see
there is no way to do much usefull with it, at least I have found nothing that
suggests how one might go about it, and my experience with sendmail on Linux
has so far not been good.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     15-Oct-99 15:18:16
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: Fixpacks?

Jaap van.Veen wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 JvV> Russell Tiedt wrote on 09 Oct 1999 at 21:09 to All:

 RT> I have just installed Fixpack 9 on a Warp 4 system using QF11 and
 RT> CS_141.exe with out problems.

 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack for
 RT> my version of Warp Connect?
 JvV> Appearently you have no archive file from the previous QF. So have
 JvV> to delete a number of files. See the readme instructions for the
 JvV> files to be deleted.

Will have a look see, as I need to get at least that fixpack installed for
Y2K and then get networking sorted out, or take OS/2 off, and replace with
WIN98, which I would rather not do.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     15-Oct-99 15:23:05
  To: Holger Granholm                                   17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: StarOffice?

Holger Granholm wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

RT>What I did was give the URL to a freind who has an ISDN connection
RT>and a CD-Writer, he charged me less than $9.95 by rough estimate to
RT>download and write to CD-ROM versions for  Linux, OS/2 and WIN95/98
RT>WINNT.

RT>He will copy mine for R35 (South African Rands) what postage is

 HG> Would that be something around 10.00 USD?

Probably a little less, between 6 and 8 USD.

RT>likely to be is any ones guess, probably triple that, then maybe not
RT>quite.

 HG> We'll have to find out. Usually CD's are mailed as letters.

No idea, as I have never mailed any CD's.

You want I should get one made for you?

We can always find out. :-))

Go well,

Russell
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From: Russell Tiedt                                     15-Oct-99 15:31:25
  To: Clive Brown                                       17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: Fixpacks?

Clive Brown wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

 CB> 09 Oct 99 21:09, Russell Tiedt wrote to All, about Fixpacks?:

 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack
 RT> for my version of Warp Connect?

 CB> I have recently installed FP40 with CS140.exe on a Warp 3 Connect
 CB> install.  I believe that FP41 and possibly FP42 are available.

Can you give me a URL where they might be obtained please. Tho I delieve
Fixpack 40 for Warp 3 was the last.

Go well,

Russell
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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                15-Oct-99 11:39:02
  To: Rob Basler                                        17-Oct-99 00:15:02
Subj: Re: Newbie

On Stardate 14 Oct 99  17:59:02, Rob Basler Communicated the Following
To Linda Proulx, Regarding Newbie...

RB> LP>Also want a good
RB> LP>bootmanager that will run off a floppy.
RB>
RB> Never heard of such a program.

PQBoot?

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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 14:38:17
  To: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 06:31:14
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

-=> Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 GT> No sorry you will have to use OS/2's Fdisk to get it all set up the
 GT> first time. ___

Sheesh.  Really didn't want anything to change.

Anon,

Linda

... (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail, (G)rab_Hammer
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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 14:39:22
  To: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 06:31:15
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

-=> Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GT> recreated the partician with OS/2 Fdisk. If you are running Win9X you
 GT> will not be able to use FAT32 and

Not planning to, ever.

Anon,

Linda

... You can't teach an old mouse new clicks.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 14:41:20
  To: Peter Knapper                                     17-Oct-99 06:31:15
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Thats right, BLUE pack contains Windows WITHIN OS/2, RED pack allows an
 PK> existing Windows 3.1 environment to be run from within OS/2. I ALWAYS
 PK> used the BLUE version, the RED version is too easy to corrupt.

In what way.  Also what about 3.11 & the blue flavour?

Anon,

Linda

... You can't teach an old mouse new clicks.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 18:48:29
  To: Peter Knapper                                     17-Oct-99 06:31:15
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Hi Linda,

 PK>   2. DOS programs run under OS/2 have no problems accessing HPFS
 PK> partitions, they look just like a FAT partition to the DOS program, so
 PK> you are nt prevented from sing HPFS partitions in a DOS box under OS/2,
 PK> instead you gain by the increased performance of HPFS.

I thought that DOS would not see an HPFS partition.  Eg, if in a 1g
partition I use only 500 mb I have lost the rest of the drive to DOS and
that I can not put DOS or Win programs on it.

Anon,

Linda

... You can't teach an old mouse new clicks.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 18:52:14
  To: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 06:31:15
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW> Warp 3 fixpaks work for all the variants of Warp 3 (there are actually
 BW> 5 -

 BW>         Warp with Windows (blue)
 BW>         Warp Connect (blue)

Difference?

Thanks for the info.  Saved your reply.  It's nice to know what someone
thinks are the 3rd party programs to use.

Anon,

Linda

... You can't teach an old mouse new clicks.
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From: Murray Lesser                                     16-Oct-99 09:57:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          16-Oct-99 09:57:00
Subj: UniMaint ???

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Bat Lang to All)

Hi Bat--

BL>Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
  >Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since
  >it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive, there
  >is no way to determine what I want to know, short of installing it
<Ugh!>

    The version of UniMaint that I am using is 5.00.65, which includes
CSD 1999047, issued in April 1999 (this is the latest CSD available from
this BBS).  I would guess from your description that what you have is a
UniMaint CSD, not the program itself.  UniMaint has been shrink-wrapped
commercial software since v 4.0, and (AFAIK) is no longer being
distributed as shareware, although the CSDs are distributed through the
shareware channels (as ZIP files on this BBS).  If what you have
downloaded is actually the UniMaint set of programs, you have either a
very old version or a bootleg copy.

BL>I have absolutely NO knowledge of this app, so I am wondering if
  >someone familiar with it can answer the following:

BL>What is the basic function of this pgm?
  >Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc)
  >If you use it, why?
  >What does it do for you?
  >Cost of ownership?
  >Pros & Cons of installing it?

    UniMaint is distributed through SofTouch Systems (www.softouch.com);
query them for descriptive information.  It is a "desktop archiving and
repair" set of utilities, and has too many uses to list here.  (The
hard-copy manual has 221 pages plus an index.)  Most likely, running the
EXE file you downloaded would not "install" anything, merely provide you
with the unzipped files.

    Since I have UniMaint, if I were in your situation I would
uncompress what you have to a temporary directory in my "scratch"
partition (used only for temporary installations) and read the README.
If, perchance, it had actually installed a program, I would use
IniMaint's "Uninstall" utility to get rid of it.  In any case, I would
delete the directory from the desktop (using the DRIVES object for the
partition) and then use UniMaint "Repair Ini Files" to clean up any
tracks it might have left in my desktop ini files.

    If you have any other desktop-ini cleanup utility, you could do the
same (back up your old desktop, first!), although "uninstalling" an
application (especially one that modified your CONFIG.SYS files in the
process) might be difficult without UniMaint (or an equivalent set of
desktop maintenance utilities).

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Leonard Erickson                                  16-Oct-99 15:16:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Oct-99 07:38:10
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to George White <=-

 SD> OK, how many people you know that have a 80186?  I know my

 GW> Me! :-)
 GW> They are the CPU on intelligent comms cards I use.
 GW> The 80186 was specifically targeted at embedded systems. The
 GW> integrated peripherals are not generally suitable for the
 GW> standard PC architecture so you'll rarely find it except in
 GW> embedded systems.

 RJT> Actually,  the reason for that,  as I understand it,  is the fact that
 RJT> although Intel specified that certain interrupts were "reserved" for
 RJT> the original 8086 and 8088 chips IBM went ahead and used them anyway,
 RJT> making it darn near impossible to use the '186 (and '188) chips in any
 RJT> sort of pc clone hardware.

Since the 286 has the exact same problem, it's *not* as big of a hassle
as it seems. It *is* a pain, but it can be worked around most of the
time.

 RJT> There was one machine out that used one of these,  as I recall -- the
 RJT> Tandy 2000.  But it never did sell all that well,  and I don't know
 RJT> how "compatible" it was.

The Tandy 2000 was released about the same time as the Dec Rainbow, and
the Sanyo 555. All three are 100% MS-DOS compatible, only somewhat BIOS
compatible, and not very compatible at all at the hardware level.

At the time no one knew that "hardware compatible" was going to be the
decision of the market place. And BIOS level compatability risked
copyright lawsuits (this was before Phoenix came out with the first
*legal* clone of the PC BIOS).

The 2000 has some nice features, such as using USARTs instead of UARTs
on the COM ports. And 640x400 graphics (2 color or 16 color depending
on monitor and RAM installed on the graphics board)

I've "inherited" 3 of them, one with a HD. At some point I'm going to
get one set up and running BBS software or some such. If I get *really*
ambitious, I'll try porting DR-DOS to it (I've got assemblers and
several compilers for the 2000).


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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 20:29:06
  To: Gord Hannah                                       17-Oct-99 12:41:06
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GH> Dawson Creek is yup much smaller than Winnipeg.

True.  But it has a BBS.  Small does not mean out of the world.

 GH> Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

Robin runs the board on Warp 4 I discovered.

Still at info gathering.  Now wish that the copy I have was blue but
the red copy was in my budget, and the disks had never been used.  And
can register it if I want to.

Lots of prep to do yet.  Are there drivers for Zip drives & Syguest
Sparqs?  Can't remember.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      16-Oct-99 20:48:25
  To: Gord Hannah                                       17-Oct-99 12:41:06
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C: drive?

 GH> If my feeble memory serves me right that is not used in dual boot.  I

But not multi boot & I think I want that.

 GH> would invest in another HD and do full install using native OS/2 stuff
 GH> complete with boot manager, less hassles that way.

Have 2 now.  D drive is the primary on my second HD.

 GH> What type of stuff will you be looking for?  You will need SIO for

Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs one would not live with
OS/2 without.

Anon,

Linda


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From: Bob Wright                                        16-Oct-99 07:10:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 12:41:06
Subj: Newbie

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Roy J. Tellason:


 RJT>> You only need _one_ cylinder to install it.

 LP> Guess would have to temp call it C and boot the DOS system files for the
 LP> install?  I'm starting to wonder if I can keep the small partition
 LP> hidden rename....  Sigh.

Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition doesn't get a
drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the booted operating system..

Just as an example, here's my setup (I deliberately set it up so that the OS's
are all hidden from each other.). On my older machine, I have two drives but
Linux is in the primary on the second drive.  Again, though, bootmanager has
its own small partition..

Name    Status          Type            File                Size
                                        System

MS-DOS  Bootable        C:Primary       FAT                  nnn Mb
        Startable         Primary       BootManager          7Mb (1 cylinder)
WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS                 nnn Mb
        None            D:Logical       FAT
        None            E:Logical       FAT
OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
        None            G:Logical       HPFS
        None            H:Logical       NTFS

Note that it's also considered to be a separate file system, which will also
make it hidden from all the other systems.  The two FAT partitions are where
all the "common" files go.


        -- Bob

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Oct-99 09:01:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 12:41:06
Subj: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Bob Wright:

 BW>         Warp with Windows (blue)
 BW>         Warp Connect (blue)

 LP> Difference?

Connect has networking support.  Actually the pre-connect versions have *some*
networking support,  just tcp/ip when you install the internet goodies from
the bonus pack,  but it's a lot less than what you get with connect...

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From: Gerard Zoer                                       16-Oct-99 01:36:18
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      17-Oct-99 16:18:29
Subj: Free Space Error

Hello JOHN,

Tuesday October 12 1999 17:18, JOHN HENTSCH wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE
POLLARD:

 JH> I want to install CorelDraw for OS/2 on a multi-gig hard drive
 JH> formatted HPFS. It has a problem with large amounts of free space on
 JH> the hard drive. It's been over a year since I first tried to get it
 JH> in and I finally got around to trying again. Do you know of any utility
 JH> program that I could run before installing to fix the free space
 JH> program?

SPACEHOG.RAR (or.ZIP)

27K  16-04-98 Helps you maintain the amount
              of free space in the specified drive to
              under 2 GigaBytes. Thus stopping older
              programs using 32-bit signed integer math.
              from seeing space above 2Gb as negative.
              PUBLIC DOMAIN

It fills your HD with one big file, worked for me. I don't remember were I got
it.

- Greets,

     --[Gerard]--  ([e-mail])

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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 02:29:05
  To: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 17-Oct-99 16:18:29
Subj: FixPak install [was: Y2K]

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Bob Wright, [16 Oct 99  22:10:00] <=-

 BW> 2. Fixpak 40 requires 20 floppies.  These are compressed
 BW> disk images, requiring a special program to copy them
 BW> from your hard drive to the floppies.  The program
 BW> (called loaddskf) will run in both OS/2 and DOS.  Your
 BW> friend should probably use the program to create the
 BW> floppies once they're downloaded.

 LRM> You don't need to create the numerous floppy disks if you use a
 LRM> program such as diunpack which unpacks the .dk* files into files on
 LRM> your hard disk.  Diunpack can be found in fastk***.zip.   The last
 LRM> version I had was fastk139, but there should be versions for cs140 and
 LRM> cs141 as well.

Nor do you need any of that stuff you described. The simplest solution
BY FAR, is to use the RSU (Remote Software Update) capability/facility
built into Warp/supplied by IBM. I refer to:

http://ps.boulder.ibm.com/pbin-usa-ps/getobj.pl?/pdocs-usa/softupd.html#warp34


It only requires you to maintain current copies of a couple of files
that it needs to be current on your system for it to do its magic. You
just go there and find the fixpak of your choice, a couple of screens
down in a matrix of countries vs versions. Find your language, move to
the right and find your preferred version # (currently 42 or 12) and on
that line, click on RSU. Then just follow the prompts which are all
straight forward. If this is your first time, you might want to do a
backup first. I have used this facility from FP3 thru FP12, and wouldn't
think of recommending any other way (except to SM) {^; The remote
facility will look at your HD and determine if you need to update the
couple files mentioned above. If you need them, it will tell you and
pause while you replace them, then you resume it and it creates an empty
dir on your x:\ drive called \$rsutmp$ and proceeds to download all the
files needed (start this late at night/early morning, then go to bed).
When all the files are there, it unzips them all and deletes each zip
after it unzips. Then it gives you a couple of choices on a windowed
screen, the most important of which is the first one, which requires you
to select the system (ie, double click on the long string in that
window, so that it is now 'selected', enabling you to tell it to Proceed
(or Continue or Install). It first creates a backup of every file to be
replaced, then continues with the installation of all the files, save
the ones it earmarks for deferred installation (during the reboot) forget
the terminology. }^: When all of that is done, it asks you if you want
it to clean up? If Yes, it deletes all of the installation files/dirs
leaving you just like you were except for the newly installed files and
the backed up set from your prior FixPak, then tells you to reboot.
Following that you are finished, and needed nothing that wasn't
furnished by the RSU, and you didn't need to know any arcane procedures
or special instructions, etc.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, I wouldn't consider any other
method for these installations, and most of the time, I skip the backup
(I rarely am without a somewhat recent one. {^; Good luck, and Good
Modeming!  /\oo/\

BTW, I forgot to mention that after you start the dnld and go to bed,
when you return, you just pick up where you left off. You do this by
restarting it, and it sees the \$rsutmp$ dir, determines where you left
off and picks up right from there, without missing a beat.

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From: Scott Jones                                       16-Oct-99 21:48:24
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             17-Oct-99 16:18:29
Subj: Re: Norton AV

-=> On 16 Oct 99  03:48:02, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 RCB> But you are sure about server dont exist?

 SJ> Currently, no, it doesn't exist, and I've searched all over for any

 RCB> Relax!! :p

If I were any more relaxed, I'd be mistaken for a corpse. ;)

 SJ> possibility of its' existance.  The newer version, BO2K, *could* be
 SJ> ported to OS/2 were some enterprising hacker moved to do so.  I have
 SJ> the source right here, AAMOF.  It's useless to me, however, as: a) I

 RCB> hehe, what the purpose of the code then?

I tend to collect stuff like that for some unknown reason.  I was also
looking into the possibility of using it as a remote-admin tool with my
mother-in-law's Win machine, since I'm the pseudo-tech support/sysadmin
person for the business she and my wife run.

 SJ> I don't believe exists for OS/2.  Not to say it couldn't be done, but
 SJ> the difficulty of such I'll leave for an actual programmer to
 SJ> determine.

 RCB> Anyone know possibilities it have place on OS2 world?

The same possibilities it has in the Win world.  I see it as simply
another tool that can be used for either good or bad purposes, just like
any other.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Scott Jones                                       16-Oct-99 22:05:27
  To: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 16:18:29
Subj: Re: WGET153

-=> On 14 Oct 99  15:13:30, Bat Lang wrote to All <=-

 BL> In trying to understand this pgm, I have not been able to determine how
 BL> to tell it a default local destination directory for its downloads. I
 BL> normally use D:\DOWN\ for ftp clients, but their config was much
 BL> clearer than I find in WGET. Thanks for any help, and Good Modeming!
 BL> /\oo/\

In the distribution archive should be a sample.wgetrc file in the docs
subdirectory.  Copy this as .wgetrc to the directory pointed to by the
SET HOME= variable in config.sys (if you don't have it, go ahead and add
it, as it comes in handy for other programs ported from *nix; mine,
e.g., is f:/home), then add the following to it:

dir_prefix = d:/down

The sample.wgetrc file is heavily commented if you need info on
addtitional switches, and it is also documented in the
wget-1.5.3.{html,text} files included in the docs subdirectory.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Sean Dennis                                       15-Oct-99 10:21:03
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 19:31:19
Subj: LS-120

Hello All.

Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm needing something for
backup for my BBS and I remember reading something about a driver for OS/2
concerning the LS-120...

Later,
Sean

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From: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 15:51:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   17-Oct-99 15:51:00
Subj: Warp 3 Install


 GT> Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive.

RT>This is not correct.  Boot manager requires _one cylinder_ at the beginning

RT>of _the first physical drive_.  There's no "3MB" in there
RT>anywhere,  and the actual amount of drive space used is
RT>going to depend on the way the system deals with the
RT>geometry of the drive.  It'll vary from 1M to as much as 8M.

Ok true it does set it own size on disk0.

RT>Saying "on your C: drive" is inaccurate,  too,  as the
RT>drive letter refers to the first bootable primary partition
RT>_after_ the partition that contains Boot Manager.

Ok I will give you that techincal point too.




 GT> This does mean you will have to backup C drive and reinstall
 GT> after you have recreated the partician with OS/2 Fdisk.

RT>No it does not.  If Partition Magic is available,  as she has indicated,
RT>then it can be done without having to back up,  delete and
RT>recreate as you say here.


I have read in several places Focus onOS/2 and so on that is not correct. and
I
inculde my install instructions to PM 3.0. I sould say not the best way to do
that. One should aalways backup any way. And I see cautions on your mentoh.
Explain please. Why does Partician Magic countradict you?



 GT> If you are running Win9X you will not be able to use FAT32

RT>You can if you set up partitions first and install w9x
RT>afterwards,  that's _internal_ to the partition in question
RT>and doesn't have anything to do with the rest of this stuff.

And I have tried it myself and it does not work. I will qualify and say on my
machine.



 GT> and you will have to reboot with OS/2 Fdisk to activate the
 GT> Bootmanager after installing Win9X.

RT>Actually that can be done with win's fdisk as well.  They do warn you about

RT>this during the install process,  too.  I can understand it
RT>as there are a number of reboots required during the
RT>install process,  but a fresh install of win is probably
RT>not necessary in this case.

Well then your method will put her at risk. My  requires a lot of work but is
much surer and safer.
___
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From: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 19:45:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 19:45:00
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-16-99, Linda Proulx said to Gene Tucker:


-=> Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 GT> No sorry you will have to use OS/2's Fdisk to get it all set up the
 GT> first time. ___

LP>Sheesh.  Really didn't want anything to change.

LP>Anon,

LP>Linda

Eddie Thillerman tells me I am wrong about this. You can try it on his word if
you wish.
___
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-- George Mason

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From: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 19:48:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 19:48:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 Install

In a message dated 10-16-99, Linda Proulx said to Gene Tucker:


-=> Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GT> recreated the partician with OS/2 Fdisk. If you are running Win9X you
 GT> will not be able to use FAT32 and

LP>Not planning to, ever.

LP>Anon,

LP>Linda

Good! I was in Colubus just the other visiting a friend and we discussed
Windows
2000 and Fat 32 vs NPFS. He doesn't see why anyone would ever want to run Fat
32
due to some weaknesses he feels it has. He feels the Fat 16 is much safer even
on MicroSoft systems.
___
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From: Gene Tucker                                       17-Oct-99 19:50:02
  To: Sean Dennis                                       17-Oct-99 19:50:02
Subj: Ls-120

In a message dated 10-15-99, Sean Dennis said to All:


SD>Hello All.

SD>Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm
SD>needing something for backup for my BBS and I remember
SD>reading something about a driver for OS/2 concerning the LS-
SD>120...




The latest set of IDE drivrs will support it along with Ultra 66. They may be
obtained from the Device Driver online site of IBM.
___
 X MR/2 2.26 #30 X To disarm the people is the best. . .way to enslave them.
-- George Mason

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From: Rob Basler                                        17-Oct-99 11:54:18
  To: All                                               17-Oct-99 22:20:00
Subj: Help! installing OS/2 WSEB

I obtained WSeB through the Devcon program and I want to install it, but the
CD-ROM drive doesn't want to read the CD-R I made, so I want to install it by
copying everything to the HD (which does work fine), but I can't figure out
CID.  Is there a way to reroute the install program to run from the HD rather
than the CD?  I tried playing with the OS2SE20.SRC file, but that didn't do
anything.

Thanks.

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From: Don Guy                                           17-Oct-99 10:25:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 22:38:02
Subj: Y2K

Greetings Linda!

   A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a coded message from Linda
Proulx to Don Guy was intercepted...

 LP> Thanks for the info.  Do the fixpacks work for both flavours or are
 LP> they different?

If by both flavors you mean Warp 3 vs. Warp 4, different fixpacks are
required.

OTOH if you mean "plain" Warp 3 vs. Warp Connect, I believe the same fixpacks
can be used for each.


-Don



... Hi, my name is Annie Key. Please don't hit me!
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         11-Oct-99 07:49:10
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                17-Oct-99 22:38:02
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and it
 SH> wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

Except that, of course, OS/2 *isn't* GUI based at all.  Workplace Shell's user
interface is GUI based, but Workplace Shell is *not* OS/2.  It's an OS/2
application, just like any other.  It merely happens to be the OS/2
application that is first run on most machines.

It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when the white
"██ OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to boot to a command line.

(That is one of OS/2's many advantages over Windows NT, in fact.  Windows NT
cannot be booted to text mode and then run Win32 programs, even "console mode"
ones, because running Win32 programs requires starting the Win32 subsystem,
and starting the Win32 subsystem forces graphics mode.  OS/2 Warp can be
booted to text mode and still run ordinary OS/2 programs, since running
text-mode OS/2 programs does not require the graphics subsystem to be started.
 Only running graphical OS/2 programs requires that.)

It's also easy to reset display driver problems as well.  On the same menu,
one has the option of resetting the display drivers to standard VGA.  If one
happens to misconfigure one's display drivers, say, or if (as in your case)
one applies a fixpack without resetting to VGA first, this allows one to start
afresh from a clean configuration.  Or one can boot to the command line and
run the SETVGA command manually.

Read the _Troubleshooting_ on-line book in your "Troubleshooting" folder.  Go
to the _Solving Video Problems_ section under _Solving operating system
problems_, click on the link to _Resolving display problems_ and then click on
the "System will not restart on a High Resolution Display" symptom.

 » JdeBP «

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         11-Oct-99 08:59:17
  To: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 22:38:02
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> Here's the help text message for the TIME command from IBM's 16-bit
 JdBP>> CMD as supplied with OS/2 Warp 4.0.6 :
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>>        [C:\]time /?
 JdBP>>        Use the TIME command to display or change the system time
 JdBP>>        or to reset the time on your computer clock.
 JdBP>>        Syntax:
 JdBP>>          TIME [hh:mm:ss] [/N]
 JdBP>>        where:
 JdBP>>          hh   Specifies the hour.
 JdBP>>          mm   Specifies the minute.
 JdBP>>          ss   Specifies the seconds and the hundredths of a second,
 JdBP>>        separated by a period.
 JdBP>>          /N   Means no prompt for TIME.
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>>        Type TIME without parameters to display the current time
setting
 JdBP>>        and the prompt for a new time.  Press Enter to keep the same
time.
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>>        Type TIME with parameters to enter the time without being
prompted
 JdBP>>        by the system.
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>>        [C:\]
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>> As I said, documenting the option is as far as IBM's 16-bit CMD
 JdBP>> goes. It doesn't actually implement it.  The 32-bit CMD does,
 JdBP>> however:
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>>         [C:\]ver
 JdBP>>         CMD 0.1.18   OS/2 2.40.0
 JdBP>>         [C:\]time /n
 JdBP>>         Current time is: Sat 1999-10-02 10:56:36 +0100
 JdBP>>         [C:\]

 BW> F:\]ver
 BW> The Operating System/2 Version is 3.00
 BW> F:\]time /n
 BW> SYS1003: The syntax of the command is incorrect.

All that that shows is that you are not running the 32-bit CMD.  But we knew
that anyway.  You don't have the 32-bit CMD to run.  You are running the
16-bit CMD.  I've said twice already in this thread that IBM's 16-bit CMD only
documents this option and doesn't actually implement it: once in the message
quoted above, as you can see, and once two messages before that, explaining to
Darren Hamilton that this is the situation with IBM's 16-bit CMD when he asked
why the /N option didn't work when he tried it.

So I don't understand.  What are you trying to say by simply cutting and
pasting text that shows IBM's 16-bit CMD behaving in exactly the way that I
said that it behaves ?  Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         11-Oct-99 09:20:25
  To: John Thompson                                     17-Oct-99 22:38:02
Subj: 4OS2

 JT> 4OS2 v3.02 was released April 1999.  AFAIK, JP Software is still
 JT> actively updating 4OS2.

I just wish that they would fix the bugs in their products that I reported to
their technical support over a year and a half ago.

I wish, in fact, that their technical support was run by someone who has more
of a grasp of things than Mike Bessy does.  One of the bugs that I reported
was that the wildcards in FFIND were wrong, and operated in the DOS way rather
than operating in the OS/2 way as they did in every other command from COPY to
DEL.  I suspected that this was as simple as an #ifdef in the code (which is,
I am told, common to all platforms) that Rex Conn accidentally got the wrong
way around.

So I reported to JP Software's technical support, over a year and a half ago,
that FFIND \*S doesn't find files whose names end in the letter 'S', such as
\CONFIG.SYS, but *does* find files which have the letter 'S' in the middle,
such as \DOS.DAT.  I even showed him the *correct* behaviour as exemplified by
the DIR command in the very same JP Software product:

        [C:\]ver

        4OS2 3.01A   OS/2 Version is 4.00

        [C:\]ffind *s
        C:\DOS.DAT
        C:\progres.tmp

              2 files

        [C:\]dir /a-d/f *s
        C:\config-old-after-tcpip.sys
        C:\config-old.sys
        C:\config.sys

        [C:\]

His reply was amazing.  Rather than accepting the bug and passing it along to
be fixed, he "explained" to me that the filename "DOS.DAT" *does* end in the
letter 'S'.  I kid you not.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 13:21:25
  To: Jeffrey J. Counsil                                18-Oct-99 00:18:00
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Jeffrey J. Counsil wrote to Rob Basler <=-

 RB> Never heard of such a program.

 JJC> PQBoot?

Where did you get it?

Anon,

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 16:33:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 00:18:00
Subj: Re: FixPak install [was: Y2K]

-=> Bat Lang wrote to Lawrence R. Mintz <=-


 BL> Nor do you need any of that stuff you described. The simplest solution
 BL> BY FAR, is to use the RSU (Remote Software Update) capability/facility
 BL> built into Warp/supplied by IBM. I refer to:

Well, the problem is one has to Inet.  I don't.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 16:36:12
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 00:18:00
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Bob Wright:

 BW>         Warp with Windows (blue)
 BW>         Warp Connect (blue)

 RJT> Connect has networking support.  Actually the pre-connect versions have
 RJT> *some* networking support,  just tcp/ip when you install the internet
 RJT> goodies from the bonus pack,  but it's a lot less than what you get
 RJT> with connect...

I see.  How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      17-Oct-99 16:53:08
  To: Bob Wright                                        18-Oct-99 00:18:00
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 BW> Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition doesn't
 BW> get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the booted operating
 BW> system..

But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                16-Oct-99 11:12:08
  To: Gord Hannah                                       18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Re: Newbie

14 Oct 99 23:35, Linda Proulx wrote to Gord Hannah:

 GH>>  * Origin: Marsh BBS (c) [Dawson Creek BC Canada] 1-250-786-7921

Dawson's Creek? Oh, wait, completely different thing.. :>

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                16-Oct-99 11:09:07
  To: Paul Hildebrandt                                  18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: windows and os/2

11 Oct 99 10:30, Paul Hildebrandt wrote to Adam Cameron:

 AC>> right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions.
 AC>> since windows has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2
 AC>> partition to be the first partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed
 AC>> windows on the first HD with fat32. So, OS/2 should still boot as
 AC>> drive C, right? well, whenever I try to boot to os/2's partition,
 AC>> it just sits there.

 PH> Do you have 2 IDE connectors? If your second harddrive is on your 2nd
 PH> ide connector you can't boot from it usually.

With a boot manager (IE: DocsBoot) what Adam proposed will work.

I have Win'98 {spit} as my first primary on HDD1, Warp 4 as the second
primary on HDD1, and SuSE Linux 6.0 as my first primary on HDD2.

DocsBoot installs to the MBR of HDD1, and allows me to boot to any
bootable partition on any of my HDDs.

Yes, HDD2 is the slave on IDE0, but even if it were on IDE1 it would
still boot.

http://www.docsware.com - and yes, DocsBoot *IS* worth the minimal
registration cost.

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                12-Oct-99 08:43:08
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Linux

09 Oct 99 20:31, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 SH>> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and
 SH>> it wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

 ET> OS/2 itself is not GUI based.

 ET> You haven't tried running with SET RUNWORKPLACE= and/or PROTSHELL=
 ET> REMmed out or set to CMD.EXE? I haven't tried this, but I know you
 ET> can do this. The WPS is as much an application as any GUI on Linux.

The WPS isn't the GUI, though. OS/2 starts something along the lines of
X11, and the WPS is simply the window manager.

Yes, I have tried using CMD.EXE as my RUNWORKPLACE, and yes, it does
work well. If I were running a server that I was ignoring I'd use that
option. The thing is, I'm using this as my personnal machine, so I want
the pretties (WPS, Object Desktop, the works).

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                17-Oct-99 11:36:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

15 Oct 99 16:24, Linda Proulx wrote to Roy J. Tellason:

 RJT>> They're cumulative,  and you can start with the latest one if you
 RJT>> want.

 LP> Good to know.  Can't imagine having to start from #1.  Will the last
 LP> one also have the Y2K patch?:

That's what he means by cumulative.

The fixpacks get bigger every release because they contain all the fixes
from the past fixpack, as well as the newly added fixes. For Warp 3, you
can just install FP42 and have your system completely up-to-date. For
Warp 4, you just install FP12 and have your system completely up-to-date.

Stewart Honsberger,
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From: Holger Granholm                                   17-Oct-99 18:54:00
  To: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: UniMaint ???

In a message dated 10-10-99, Bat Lang said to All:

BL>Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
BL>Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since
BL>it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive,
BL>there is no way to determine what I want to know, short of
BL>installing it <Ugh!>

Hi Bat,

Get ZTreeBold (ZTB180.ZIP) so that you can see inside compressed .EXE
files.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Andy Roberts                                      17-Oct-99 16:39:20
  To: Murray Lesser                                     18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: UniMaint ???

 Murray Lesser,

16-Oct-99 09:57:00, Murray Lesser wrote to Bat Lang
 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-10-99, Bat Lang to All)
          Subject: UniMaint ???

 BL>> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL>> Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since it
 BL>> is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive, there is no
 BL>> way to determine what I want to know, short of installing it <Ugh!>

 ML> The version of UniMaint that I am using is 5.00.65, which includes CSD
 ML> 1999047, issued in April 1999 (this is the latest CSD available from
 ML> this BBS).  I would guess from your description that what you have is a
 ML> UniMaint CSD, not the program itself.

Yes that is what it looks like to me.  Too bad Lody Caenen didn't bother to
mention that in the TIC DESC, since it does not have a File_ID.diz.

 ML> UniMaint has been shrink-wrapped commercial software since v 4.0, and
 ML> (AFAIK) is no longer being distributed as shareware, although the CSDs
 ML> are distributed through the shareware channels (as ZIP files on this
 ML> BBS).  If what you have downloaded is actually the UniMaint set of
 ML> programs, you have either a very old version or a bootleg copy.

 BL>> I have absolutely NO knowledge of this app, so I am wondering if someone
 BL>> familiar with it can answer the following: What is the basic function of
 BL>> this pgm? Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc) If you
 BL>> use it, why? What does it do for you? Cost of ownership? Pros & Cons of
 BL>> installing it?

 ML> UniMaint is distributed through SofTouch Systems (www.softouch.com);
 ML> query them for descriptive information.  It is a "desktop archiving and
 ML> repair" set of utilities, and has too many uses to list here.  (The
 ML> hard-copy manual has 221 pages plus an index.)  Most likely, running the
 ML> EXE file you downloaded would not "install" anything, merely provide you
 ML> with the unzipped files.

 ML> Since I have UniMaint, if I were in your situation I would uncompress
 ML> what you have to a temporary directory in my "scratch" partition (used
 ML> only for temporary installations) and read the README. If, perchance, it
 ML> had actually installed a program, I would use IniMaint's "Uninstall"
 ML> utility to get rid of it.  In any case, I would delete the directory
 ML> from the desktop (using the DRIVES object for the partition) and then
 ML> use UniMaint "Repair Ini Files" to clean up any tracks it might have
 ML> left in my desktop ini files.

 ML> If you have any other desktop-ini cleanup utility, you could do the same
 ML> (back up your old desktop, first!), although "uninstalling" an
 ML> application (especially one that modified your CONFIG.SYS files in the
 ML> process) might be difficult without UniMaint (or an equivalent set of
 ML> desktop maintenance utilities).

FWUTILS - FW: OS/2 high-level utilities
U5199264.Exe                    10-10-99       2,406,708
    UniMaint Version 5.10.02 Level 1999264

Info-Zip UNZip on that produced:

ACSDEREG.CMD      428  9-20-99 12:00p
CSD_INST.TXT     5573  9-20-99 12:00p
SHSINST. EXE   157264  9-20-99 12:00p
SHSINST.HLP     12825  9-20-99 12:00p
SHSINST.INF     12261  9-20-99 12:00p
U5199264.CSD  2288623  9-20-99 12:00p

    U5199264.CSD  -   Compressed distribution file
    ACSDEREG.CMD  -   Cmd file to de-register ASCAGENT class
    SHSINST.EXE   -   SHS InstallStar installation program
    SHSINST.HLP   -   Installation program help file
    SHSINST.INF   -   Installation program information file
    CSD_INST.TXT  -   This file.    -

I think I am about to recover 2.4MB of HD space.  I assume this file is
useless without the commercial base prgm.  I assume from my brief look at
the *.INF file that UniMaint can not do anything that a combination of
wptool29.zip, OS2CLU02.RAR and Graham Utilities (registered) and maybe 1
or 2 other ShareWare or FreeWare utils can not do.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Lee Aroner                                        17-Oct-99 07:53:00
  To: Scott Jones                                       18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Norton AV

 SJ> BackOrifice/2 is the OS/2 port of the BO client.  This allows people to
  > access a BO-infected Winbox using OS/2.  It does *not* allow others to
  > access an OS/2 machine via BackOrifice.


 LA>    Any idea where this client might be gotten ?

SJ> I can't seem to find it on the 'net anymore, but I still have a copy
  > from when I was thinking about working on my MIL's machine remotely.
  > What's your email address?


   [e-mail]

   ... and thanks !

                                       LRA


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From: Gord Hannah                                       17-Oct-99 18:29:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,

About Re: Warp 3 install, On Sat Oct 16 1999

 GH> If my feeble memory serves me right that is not used in dual boot.  I

LP> But not multi boot & I think I want that.

Then you will need to install Boot Manager.

 GH> would invest in another HD and do full install using native OS/2 stuff
 GH> complete with boot manager, less hassles that way.

 GH> What type of stuff will you be looking for?  You will need SIO for

LP> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs one would not live with
LP> OS/2 without.

This open to controversy, just my preferences:

Freeware:               Shareware:
Info-zip a must         Injoy Dialer
Nterm                   SIO
Netscape                Mr2ice (email client)
Fed (editor)            Openchat with the latest gemz
A good offline mail reader
Staroffice 5.1  or better

This is about it for now, and this is off the top of my head.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
[e-mail]
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    17-Oct-99 21:35:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 06:45:11
Subj: Warp 3 install

On (14 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper...

Hi Linda,

You've come to a good place for help.

 LP> I think I got my terms wrong.  I think I meant the Boot Manager.

 PK> would allow you to install OS/2 on your D: drive. This assumes that you
 PK> have room to install Boot Manager (only 1 Cylinder of disk is required,
 PK> but it MUST be within the first 1024 cyls so the BIOS can see it).

 LP> Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to change
 LP> anything except load.

Certainly can!

 PK> If we had a bit more info as suggested above we might be able to come
 PK> up with other options.

 LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have to
 LP> have Windows on my harddrive?

If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need it.
If you are talking about Windows 9x, then yes, you would.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.

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From: Murray Lesser                                     18-Oct-99 06:45:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 06:45:00
Subj: UniMaint ???

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-16-99, Roy J. Tellason to Bat Lang)

Hi Roy--

 BL> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL> Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive.
 BL> Since it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the
 BL> archive, there is no way to determine what I want to know,
 BL> short of installing it <Ugh!>

RT>I just *hate* it when they do that...

    Why?  It saves a lot of trouble for those who haven't learned to
keep an Unzip utility at hand, and doesn't do any harm that I can
understand.  Its only drawback that I can see is that you cannot see
what is in the file unless you execute it.  Of course, not even this is
a drawback if you make it a practice never to download an application
that you don't know what it does.  At least, the likelihood of an OS/2
virus being transmitted this way is exceedingly small.

    As I mentioned to Bat, it isn't hard to clean up unwanted
application files if you know what you are doing.  However, none of the
UniMaint files I have downloaded from this BBS have been self-extracting
files, and all of them for over four years have been CSDs (FixPaks) with
names that identified themselves as such, so there is no way that they
could self-install.  I wonder where BAT got his stranger from.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       18-Oct-99 01:50:00
  To: ALL                                               18-Oct-99 09:06:05
Subj: HPFS info quest

I'm attempting to gather information on how the size of a drive correlates
with the HPFS system area.

What I've been doing is reading the SuperBlock to determine the number of
directory band sectors, which is the large structure in the middle of the
disk that has all the information about file and directory placement.

The other bits of data that could be considered the system area are the
freespace bitmaps for the 8MB data bands (or, rather, the 16 Kilosector
databands, which are 8MB with 512-byte sector drives), the hotfix sectors,
space directory block sectors, and sectors 0-19.

Adding all this up for one particular drive gives a bit over 3MB.  CHKDSK
reports 5248KB of system area usage (when run with the /F switch - without
that switch, CHKDSK always gives an incorrect figure).  That leaves me with
a hair over 2MB worth of system area that I can't account for.

This is on a completely empty 300MB drive.

Is CHKDSK incorrect, or is there something big that I'm missing?

Mike Ruskai
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  17-Oct-99 22:35:21
  To: Sean Dennis                                       18-Oct-99 09:25:28
Subj: LS-120

*** Quoting Sean Dennis to All dated 10-15-99 ***
> Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm needing

Sean,
Yes they did.  Check the device driver area on the web site.  I think it's
something for atapi.

Rich
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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              17-Oct-99 19:09:03
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 09:25:28
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello All.

got a small problem
trying to "convert" a friend to warp - "holly" mission, not? :)
his old pc uses an old-timer scsi controller & cd-rom
the drive : cds-535 internal 1x scsi cd-rom, supporting cd-r and all the like
the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with external 37p and internal
50p connectors.
all I have are Dos drivers (chinon doesn't make cd's anymore and their site is
empty about what they made as drives..)
and on the warp connect diskette 1, I have a file called chincds1.flt, with as
text in file header :
This program cannot be run in a DOS session.
CHINCD1     chincds1.DLL      CHINCD1 CHINON

if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
Any idea/workaround/suggestion?

sure that warp connect would be better, on a 486dx33/8mb/250mb than win3.11
and all the problems he brings with him!

smile.. crossposting some places... need so baaaaadly an answer :-)

thanks for help

Jean-Michel
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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 13:24:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Warp 3 install

Greetings, Linda...

 Peter Knapper  said to Linda Proulx:


 PK> Yes, use Partition Magic to free up the first Cylinder

Just one minor correction... it doesn't have to be the *first* cylinder.  In
fact, it can be the *last* cylinder as long as it falls within the magic 1024
cylinders.

(On both my machines, the DOS partition is first, followed by the Boot Manager
partition..).

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 13:33:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Warp 3 install

Greetings, Linda...

 Peter Knapper said to Linda Proulx:

 PK> catch here is that if you EVER touch the FAT partition with a DOS
 PK> partition utility (EG Defrag a disk), then you can almost guarantee that
 PK> the Extended attributes will be lost for some files and you may
experience
 PK> some problems when you start OS/2 again.

True... however, generally a chkdsk on the affected partition will restore
them.  There are a couple of members of my household who periodically "tidy
up" the FAT partitions and delete the EA files.  It took me a while to figure
out why I couldn't access these drives from OS/2 the first time it happened.
The second time, I ran chkdsk and issued some unkind words to the culprit..
<G>

However, I *do* agree with the rest of Peter's comments here..  I only have
FAT partitions so that the DOS partition will function, and for those things
that I run from multiple platforms (Front Door being the most common one..).


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 13:42:23
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Y2k

Greetings, Roy...

 Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Will Honea:

 RJT> I've got it installed here,  and have had exactly *one* problem with it,
 RJT> that being that it clobbered my sound card driver.  An updated driver
 RJT> fixed the problem.

Interesting... one of the reasons I installed 40 was that I clobbered my sound
card driver while messing around with FP38...

After the install, all was fine...


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 14:02:23
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Roy...

 Roy J. Tellason hastily said to Bob Wright:

 RJT> I don't know what it's going to take for her to get zip disk support,
 RJT> but it would sure seem to me like it'd be a lot easier as far as getting
 RJT> those files on to her system.

True enough... but it does imply both Linda and her friend having zip disks.
(I don't yet, but it's beginning to become a slightly higher priority....
well, after a 13.0 hard drive, faster modem and on and on and.... <G>).

 RJT> I'd have to look to be sure,  but I think what I ended up using was 140,
 RJT> rather than 141.  The nice thing about it is that it'll work directly
 RJT> with the files involved and you don't need to do anything with floppies
 RJT> at all.

I actually used the RSU method on the last several fixpaks I installed.
Unfortunately, I haven't yet figured a way to either *commit* or back out of
fixpacks installed this way.  The last one got backed out by the rather
painful expedient of a partial re-install (see comment about FP38 and sound
card drivers).

 BW>> Netscape as soon as it's practical (2.02 or 4.61 - I'm
 BW>> using both, since 4.61 can be a bit flaky on downloads)

 RJT> I have 2.02 here.  Am I correct in assuming that the 4.xx numbers refer
 RJT> to _communicator_ rather than _navigator_?  If so,  what's the advantage
 RJT> of going to it?

Yes.  4.61 is more stable and seems quicker than 4.04.  More Java
functionality is available, some sites seem to work better.  I don't use the
newsgroup or email functions (I've got other things for those).  One nice
touch is the ability to set up profiles, with separate sets of bookmarks for
each profile. I set one up for myself, one for my wife and one for my
youngest.  That way, they don't have to wade through all my Fido, astronomy,
OS/2 and miscellaneous bookmarks to find their own the way they did with 2.02.


 RJT> I grabbed a bunch of ftp stuff out of the files section here to try.
 RJT> Emtec was the first,  and I never did get around to trying out any of
the
 RJT> others for the short time I had some 'net access a while back.  There
 RJT> were a few things about the way it worked that I didn't care for,  and
 RJT> then it started nagging me worse,  to the point where I up and deleted
 RJT> the whole silly thing.

I have the same problem... I haven't finished with either EmTec or FTPB.
Each has its own individual quirks and I'm still not sure which are quirks
that I can live with, and which are ones that'll drive me nuts.

 There are also some freeware ones out there as well, but I've never really
spent any time with them, so I didn't mention them.


 RJT> I don't care what some authors think,  30 days
 RJT> and then quit is not necessarily a valid assumption,  especially if your
 RJT> evaluation of a product is only intermittent and you've got other things
 RJT> going on in your life.

For sure.  I have encountered one that seems to have a much better method.
Opera (for NT, actually) bases the evaluation on the number of days on which
you actually use it.  So, my evaluation has stretched out over several months
(and it still tells me that I've got about 15 days left) -- given that I may
use NT for anything web-related maybe once or twice a month.  If they ever do
get the port to OS/2 together, I may well use it to replace Netscape.


 RJT> I have these,  and also the PKware product for OS/2.  Is there any
 RJT> particular advantage to going with the Infozip products?  Aside from the
 RJT> fact that they're freeware,  that is...

In my case, inertia.  I never got around to getting the PKware one.  "Free"
didn't hurt any, either ;)

 BW>> ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others along the way.

 RJT> What does that do for you?

Gives a way to actually review the files that are in the archive... readme's
for example.  You know the type, the one that says "unzip this archive into a
directory using -? -? -?.  Note: if you don't do it this way, horrible things
will happen."  Really useful since you have to unzip the thing to find out
that you've done it wrong.

If you give it a path to a virus scanner, it will scan it first.
It has the ability to do a "temporary" unzip (eval) and then delete the
unzipped files.

You can use a set of default parameters, and don't have to remember the
command-line ones.


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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 14:24:25
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Y2k

Greetings, JOHN...

 JOHN HENTSCH hastily said to WILL HONEA:

 JH> @TID: PX v1.3e PX98-1047M
 JH> On 10/15/1999 in OS/2 (F) Will Honea wrote to Peter Knapper:

 1WH>> been resolved up thru FP42.  FP40 is the last free Warp 3 fixpak
 WH>> for other than Warp Server Advanced or paid subscriptions.
 WH>> Consensus seems to be that you might as well go ahead and us FP40
 WH>> - It seems to have been pretty solid.

 JH> Will, I downloaded FP42 for Warp v3 about a week ago, for free,
 JH> apparently. However, I'm having trouble getting QuickFix to install it.
 JH> What's the deal woth me being able to download FP42 without some sort
 JH> of password or paid subscription?

Unless you can convince QuickFix that you're running Warp 4 Server, it won't
install FP42.  (Warp 4 Server is actually based on the Warp *3* kernel, which
is why it uses FP42).


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        17-Oct-99 14:30:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:14:17
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Bob Wright:


 BW>> Warp 3 fixpaks work for all the variants of Warp 3 (there are actually
 BW>> 5 -

 BW>> Warp with Windows (blue)
 BW>> Warp Connect (blue)

 LP> Difference?

Warp Connect has a bunch of networking features in it that aren't in basic
Warp -- LAN capability, etc.  It also uses a newer version of TCP/IP which can
be upgraded to version 4.0.  IIRC, the TCP/IP in basic Warp can't be upgraded,
although there are fixes for it.

 LP> Thanks for the info.  Saved your reply.  It's nice to know what someone
 LP> thinks are the 3rd party programs to use.

Another one that I left off my list, is Star Office.  It's a (rather huge)
office suite which is now being provided by Sun.  It's free for personal use,
compatible with most common formats (M$, Corel/Wordperfect, etc).   There are
versions for Unix, Linux, OS/2, WinXX.  There is a bit of a learning issue
with it, though..

        -- Bob

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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 18:55:10
  To: Murray Lesser                                     18-Oct-99 14:15:03
Subj: UniMaint ???

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Bat Lang, [16 Oct 99  09:57:00] <=-

 ML> Hi Bat--

Howdy, ML!

 BL>Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 >Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since
 >it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive, there
 >is no way to determine what I want to know, short of installing it
 <Ugh!>

 ML> The version of UniMaint that I am using is 5.00.65, which includes
 ML> CSD 1999047, issued in April 1999 (this is the latest CSD available
 ML> from this BBS).  I would guess from your description that what you have
 ML> is a UniMaint CSD, not the program itself.

Well, the description: UniMaint Version 5.10.02 Level 1999264
sure doesn't sound like a CSD (tho it very well might be) but if a CSD
to this pgm is 2.4Mb, and from all else that you said, I now know enough
to know that I am not interested in this thingie. This is just a hobby
with me. {^;  Thanks for the comeback, ML, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 22:23:13
  To: Scott Jones                                       18-Oct-99 14:15:03
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Bat Lang, [16 Oct 99  22:05:55] <=-

 -=> On 14 Oct 99  15:13:30, Bat Lang wrote to All <=-

 BL> In trying to understand this pgm, I have not been able to determine how
 BL> to tell it a default local destination directory for its downloads. I
 BL> normally use D:\DOWN\ for ftp clients, but their config was much
 BL> clearer than I find in WGET. Thanks for any help, and Good Modeming!
 BL> /\oo/\
 SJ>
 SJ> In the distribution archive should be a sample.wgetrc file in the docs
 SJ> subdirectory.  Copy this as .wgetrc to the directory pointed to by the
 SJ> SET HOME= variable in config.sys (if you don't have it, go ahead and
 SJ> add it, as it comes in handy for other programs ported from *nix; mine,
 SJ> e.g., is f:/home), then add the following to it:
 SJ>
 SJ> dir_prefix = d:/down

I finally figured that I could also add to the comm line: -Pd:/down
which seemed to do the job. I guess I'm just not that much of bare
bones, lean mean type. I'd rather let NFTP handle it, realizing that
there are prolly instances when all that flexibility of unattended
operation et al, could be handy. It prolly feels good to an _ix type,
which I am NOT. It reminds me of the M$ tool EDLIN, which when mastered
can do things in batch files that will water most eyes. I'm not much of
an EDLIN guy either. I guess the bulk of my ftp stuff will still get
here via NFTP, recognizing that WGET is more flexible. Thanks for the
comeback.

BTW, I already have in my CFSys file: "SET HOME=D:\NcFTP\".
Is that similar to the PATH in that it can take multiple entries,
delimited by ';'?
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 22:38:17
  To: Sean Dennis                                       18-Oct-99 14:15:03
Subj: LS-120

 -=> Quoting Sean Dennis to All, [15 Oct 99  10:21:07] <=-

 SD> Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm needing
 SD> something for backup for my BBS and I remember reading something about
 SD> a driver for OS/2 concerning the LS-120...

If you have Warp 4 and FixPak6, you have it covered. Good Modeming!
/\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 23:25:12
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         18-Oct-99 14:15:03
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Bob Wright, [11 Oct 99  08:59:34]
<=-

 JdBP> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

Affirmative! [e-mail]  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          17-Oct-99 23:42:22
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         18-Oct-99 14:15:03
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Stewart Honsberger, [11 Oct 99
07:49:20] <=-

 JdBP> If one happens to misconfigure one's display drivers, say, or if
 JdBP> (as in your case) one applies a fixpack without resetting to VGA
 JdBP> first, this allows one to start afresh from a clean configuration.

Are you implying a need to reset to VGA before applying a FixPak? It
sounds a bit like that, and this is totally outside of my experience. I
have never touched my 1024x786x64K settings on my original MGA Mill, and
never had any hiccups as a result. After the new installation and a
reboot, my video settings are just as they were prior to the new FP
install, nearly all of which have been via the RSU option; an option
that I continue to recommend to others (particularly those having
problems with an FP install).  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

BTW, in OS/2, one applies a fixpak (not a fixpack). VIOLA!  {^;

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    17-Oct-99 11:57:28
  To: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: WGET153

Hello Bat,

14 Oct 99 15:13, Bat Lang wrote to All:

BL> In trying to understand this pgm, I have not been able to determine
BL> how to tell it a default local destination directory for its
BL> downloads.

   `-P prefix'
   `--directory-prefix=prefix'
          Set directory prefix to prefix. The directory prefix is
          the directory where all other files and subdirectories
          will be saved to, i.e. the top of the retrieval tree. The
          default is `.' (the current directory).

Everything I download with wget goes in the directory c:\www on my system, so
if wget would not be started from within the c:\www directory I would give
wget the command line option '-P c:\www' (ofcourse without the quotes) or
'--directory-prefix=c:\www' (again without quotes) in the wget.cfg file below.

BL> I normally use D:\DOWN\ for ftp clients, but their config
BL> was much clearer than I find in WGET.

D:\DOWN\ looks a directory to me and not a FTP program, a directory has no
config, so I'm not sure what you mean by this.

The wget-1.5.3.text is the doc file, it explains all the options.

My current Wget's configuration file (sometimes I change something if I
discover something how to do something better):
------------------- begin of wget.cfg -------------------
continue = on
convert_links = on
dirstruct = on
exclude_directories = *cgi*
follow_ftp = on
no_parent = on
quota = 1m
reject = *.gz,*.ps
timestamping = on
tries = 5
#verbose = off
-------------------- end of wget.cfg --------------------


------------------- begin of startwget.cmd -------------------
@echo off
c:
cd \www

call cheap
if not errorlevel 1 exit

if exist wget.ftp call wgetftp
for %%a in (wget*mirror) do start /win /c /b wgetmirror %%a
for %%a in (wget*mir)    do call wgetmir %%a
for %%a in (wget*news)   do start /win /c /b wgetnews %%a
for %%a in (wget*www)    do start /win /c /b wgetwww %%a
for %%a in (wget*x)      do start /win /c /b wgetx %%a
exit
-------------------- end of startwget.cmd --------------------

I have posted this and more in the OS2REXX echo a short while ago.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    17-Oct-99 12:15:08
  To: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: UniMaint ???

Hello Bat,

10 Oct 99 14:43, Bat Lang wrote to All:

BL> What is the basic function of this pgm?

save / restore / alter the desktop, ini files, etc.

BL> Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc)

I use it

BL> If you use it, why?

to save and restore the desktop

BL> What does it do for you?

see above

BL> Cost of ownership?

I don't remember. You wanna me check it's price, but you can do that yourself?

BL> Pros & Cons of installing it?

I didn't find disadvantages

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 14:39:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Holger!

07 Oct 99 21:02, Holger Granholm wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs
 HG> Where can that program be found?
    Hmmm... look for lxlt121.zip. On HOBBES for example

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 15:10:12
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Hello Jonathan!

06 Oct 99 19:45, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Russell Tiedt:
 RT>> Are there any free e-mail servers for OS/2 Warp3 Connect?
 JP> Do you mean an SMTP server?
    Weasel. Uncrippled shareware :)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 15:13:25
  To: Sean Dennis                                       18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: Interesting...

Hello Sean!

08 Oct 99 12:16, Sean Dennis wrote to All:
 SD> Just a little note-I'd asked in here quite some time ago about if
 SD> anyone knew why my 2.1GB Samsung HD kept shutting down, even though I
 SD> disabled all power management in the BIOS and in OS/2.
    Or you can RTFM and use /!SHUTDOWN keyword for ibm1s506.add

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 15:15:12
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: Networking

Hello JOHN!

08 Oct 99 15:11, JOHN HENTSCH wrote to ALL:
 JH> Should I install fixpack to get Warp to work with my NIC?
    1) check you distributive for readability
    2) Try install without networking support or with this error and after
installation reinstall MPTS and peer manually.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 15:18:24
  To: Adam Cameron                                      18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: windows and os/2

Hello Adam!

09 Oct 99 20:54, Adam Cameron wrote to All:
 AC> right now, I have 2 hds.. partitioned into 5 hpfs partitions. since
 AC> windows has to be on the first hd, I moved the os/2 partition to be
 AC> the first partition on the 2nd hd.. and installed windows on the first
 AC> HD with fat32. So, OS/2 should still boot as drive C, right? well,
 AC> whenever I try to boot to os/2's partition, it just sits there.
 AC> what am I doing wrong?
    All right.  You are use primary partition for OS/2. OS/2 couldn't see
FAT32
partition. FAT32 not just another file system. It's also generate unknown, for
OS/2 of course, partition type. If you need to use FAT32 disk, you may use
FAT32.IFS.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  13-Oct-99 15:23:07
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: Fixpacks?

Hello Russell!

09 Oct 99 21:09, Russell Tiedt wrote to All:
 RT> I have just installed Fixpack 9 on a Warp 4 system using QF11 and
 RT> CS_141.exe with out problems.
 RT> When I try do the same with a Warp 3 Connect (Red box) I get a no
 RT> product selected error message using the same files. Fixpack I am
 RT> trying to install is 38 (XRUW038). Is this the correct Fixpack for my
 RT> version of Warp Connect?
    Yes. Probably you erase old backup and stays log files. Right?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Andrew Belov                                      13-Oct-99 19:12:23
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  18-Oct-99 15:30:18
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Rich!

(Sat Oct 09 1999) Rich Wonneberger wrote to Andrew Belov...

 >> OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the
 >> kernel does not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
 >> OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended

 RW> Andrew,

 RW> OS/2 4.5??
 RW> What is the .5??

OS/2 v 4.5 is the "core base" for recent Warp Server release. It features
support for logical volumes management, Journaling File System, plus some
internal kernel design enhancements that indirectly result in decreased
performance (compare its memory requirements versus 4.0).

It's unlikely that this version will serve for "client" packages.

                                                      Bye.

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                18-Oct-99 10:27:03
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         18-Oct-99 18:17:28
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

11 Oct 99 07:49, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

 JdBP> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when
 JdBP> the white "?? OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to
 JdBP> boot to a command line.

Can I load Netscape? Can I multi-task?

When OS/2 is booted to text mode, I can't even load VModem and a mailer
window at the same time. Why install the overhead of OS/2, when I could
just as easily run DOS?

Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

 JdBP> It's also easy to reset display driver problems as well.  On the
 JdBP> same menu, one has the option of resetting the display drivers to
 JdBP> standard VGA.

I realize that. I believe in my explanation I detailed the fact that
resetting to VGA mode wasn't sufficient, that I had to boot to the
command line and re-apply the fixpack to replace the display DLL's.

 JdBP> then click on the "System will not restart on a High Resolution
 JdBP> Display" symptom.

Has nothing to do with the resolution. The video drivers are no longer
compatible with OS/2 after applying FixPack 12. I've used these video
drivers on;

A) A fresh OS/2 Warp 4 install,
B) Warp 4 w/ FP6
C) Warp 4 w/ FP7
D) Warp 4 w/ FP8
E) Warp 4 w/ FP9
F) Warp 4 w/ FP10
G) Warp 4 w/ FP11

All successfully. Trapping *BEFORE* the PMSHELL appears indicates a
conflict with the drivers - not a resolution issue.

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Sean Dennis                                       17-Oct-99 18:00:22
  To: Rob Basler                                        18-Oct-99 18:17:29
Subj: Interesting...

Hello Rob.

12 Oct 99 15:52, you wrote to me:

 RB> Apparently there were some problems in one of the more recent
 RB> IBM1S506.ADD drivers that caused spin-down problems on some drives.  I
 RB> don't know when this was, but I understand it has been fixed.  Search
 RB> the echos for details, there are some extra new switches for this
 RB> driver.

I installed Danis1S506.ADD and it works GREAT now. :)

Later,
Sean

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From: Will Honea                                        18-Oct-99 18:09:00
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              18-Oct-99 18:09:00
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All on 10-17-1999

JD> got a small problem
JD> trying to "convert" a friend to warp - "holly" mission, not? :)
JD> his old pc uses an old-timer scsi controller & cd-rom
JD> the drive : cds-535 internal 1x scsi cd-rom, supporting cd-r and
JD> all the like the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with
JD> external 37p and internal 50p connectors. all I have are Dos drivers
JD> (chinon doesn't make cd's  anymore and their site is empty about
JD> what they made as  drives..) and on the warp connect diskette 1, I
JD> have a file called  chincds1.flt, with as text in file header : This
JD> program cannot be run in a DOS session. CHINCD1     chincds1.DLL
JD>  CHINCD1 CHINON
JD>
JD> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
JD> Any idea/workaround/suggestion?

I have one of those old dogs here.  It is recognized just fine - IF
the SCSI controller is recognized and loaded.  As for function, it's
marginal at best.  I managed to use it to load Warp 4 and Warp Server
for eBusiness on a test machine but it's really tempermental about
reading CD's.

The first thing is to make sure your SCSI adapter is loading and
working - most of the SCSI drivers support a /V on the config.sys line
to display the load results.  Try that - BTW, what is the adapter?

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Scott Jones                                       18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Norton AV

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 SJ> If I were any more relaxed, I'd be mistaken for a corpse. ;)

hehehe

 SJ> I tend to collect stuff like that for some unknown reason.  I was also
 SJ> looking into the possibility of using it as a remote-admin tool with
 SJ> my mother-in-law's Win machine, since I'm the pseudo-tech
 SJ> support/sysadmin person for the business she and my wife run.

I tend to collect things, too... texts, very much texts... :)
but not sources, why I dont have a compiler neither... :-(

I like to programm in Pascal, but the only good compiler IMO
is BorlandPascal + Patch from Hobbes, for to compile 16bits
binaries for OS/2... :)

 SJ> The same possibilities it has in the Win world.  I see it as simply

Bad thing... I fear that...

 SJ> another tool that can be used for either good or bad purposes, just
 SJ> like any other.

Ya, but it is need anyone at least average skilled, right? :)

Exist many folks with bad intentions? (in the OS2 world, sure)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Cat:  The OTHER white meat.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: diunpack

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Bob Wright <=-

 BW> 2. Fixpak 40 requires 20 floppies.  These are compressed
 BW> disk images, requiring a special program to copy them
 BW> from your hard drive to the floppies.  The program
 BW> (called loaddskf) will run in both OS/2 and DOS.  Your
 BW> friend should probably use the program to create the
 BW> floppies once they're downloaded.

 LRM> You don't need to create the numerous floppy disks if you use a
 LRM> program such as diunpack which unpacks the .dk* files into files on
 LRM> your hard disk.  Diunpack can be found in fastk***.zip.   The last
 LRM> version I had was fastk139, but there should be versions for cs140 and
 LRM> cs141 as well.

It isnt easy, at least not for me!

Goto one of these:

ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/os2/leo/systools/diunpack303.zip
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/os2/diskutil/diunp303.zip

The file is not big: 29200 bytes.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... 32bits progies for an OS 32bits.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Peter Knapper                                     18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Peter Knapper <=-

 PK> Thats right, BLUE pack contains Windows WITHIN OS/2, RED pack allows an
 PK> existing Windows 3.1 environment to be run from within OS/2. I ALWAYS
 PK> used the BLUE version, the RED version is too easy to corrupt.

The only version which I encountered was
red, btw, I dont run windows neither...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... I'm not paranoid.. Wait! They might read this!!!!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Peter Knapper <=-

 LP> I thought that DOS would not see an HPFS partition.  Eg, if in a 1g
 LP> partition I use only 500 mb I have lost the rest of the drive to DOS
 LP> and that I can not put DOS or Win programs on it.

But you dont LOST 500MB, you USED 500MB!

I have someone DOS progies in a 1.2GB partition,
but no very much, only some old things which
I think may have value when using win95 (of my
sister). The absolute majority is OS2 progies, &
I dont LOST any memory... I USED it.

Even the w95 may have someone use for wiz, not
in my computer why is all hpfs with longnames. :)
(well, not ALL, almost all...)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Java virus coming soon!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 LE> The 2000 has some nice features, such as using USARTs instead of UARTs
 LE> on the COM ports. And 640x400 graphics (2 color or 16 color depending

mm... interesting, but what the difference between these UARTs?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Language is a human virus from outer space.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Gord Hannah <=-

 LP> Lots of prep to do yet.  Are there drivers for Zip drives & Syguest
 LP> Sparqs?  Can't remember.

Yeah, there are. But what version you have? My zip is internal.

Exist driver for syquest, I think... at somewhere in the net...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... OS/2 ... 32-bit beauty that's more than just skin-deep.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Bob Wright                                        18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Bob Wright to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW> MS-DOS  Bootable        C:Primary       FAT                  nnn Mb
 BW> Startable         Primary       BootManager          7Mb (1
 BW> cylinder)

Just one little thing... The installation of Warp (from the
scratch) at the fdisk screen, is dont need to specify an EXACT
size, only 1MB for bootmanager & the fdisk know what to do... 8)

 BW> WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS
 BW> nnn Mb None            D:Logical       FAT
 BW> None            E:Logical       FAT
 BW> OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
 BW> None            G:Logical       HPFS
 BW> None            H:Logical       NTFS

wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
I presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

Or OS/2 dont have this limit?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... See a penny, pick it up; move into a higher tax bracket.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Y2K

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Connect has networking support.  Actually the pre-connect versions
 RJT> have *some* networking support,  just tcp/ip when you install the
 RJT> internet goodies from the bonus pack,  but it's a lot less than what
 RJT> you get with connect...

It is my situation why the box of my warp is redstripe.

Warp4 dont have this difference, anymore, right?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Who will protect the public when the police violate the law? - R.Clark

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 06:36:15
  To: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: FixPak install [was: Y2K]

 -=> Quoting Bat Lang to Lawrence R. Mintz <=-

 BL> Nor do you need any of that stuff you described. The simplest solution
 BL> BY FAR, is to use the RSU (Remote Software Update) capability/facility
 BL> built into Warp/supplied by IBM. I refer to:

I liked this msg, RSU is a method which I hear but have
any link for information about it... Thank you, Bat.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... The truest wild beasts live in the most populous places. B. Gracian

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 16:47:06
  To: Gerard Zoer                                       18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Free Space Error

 -=> Quoting Gerard Zoer to JOHN HENTSCH <=-

 GZ> SPACEHOG.RAR (or.ZIP)

 GZ> 27K  16-04-98 Helps you maintain the amount
 GZ> of free space in the specified drive to
 GZ> under 2 GigaBytes. Thus stopping older
 GZ> programs using 32-bit signed integer math.
 GZ> from seeing space above 2Gb as negative.
 GZ> PUBLIC DOMAIN

NS 2.02 is a progie with that little UNfeature...

 GZ> It fills your HD with one big file, worked for me. I don't remember
 GZ> were I got it.

But it is very much "antiquated"...

Is dont possible to "pretend" for the OS?

I explain myself: a little program to intercept a little call...

The hobbes have anything similar to spacehog...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Entropy isn't what it used to be.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 16:47:06
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

To Jon & all folks on this nice echo

 -=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Stewart Honsberger <=-

 JdBP> Read the _Troubleshooting_ on-line book in your "Troubleshooting"
 JdBP> folder.  Go to the _Solving Video Problems_ section under _Solving
 JdBP> operating system problems_, click on the link to _Resolving display
 JdBP> problems_ and then click on the "System will not restart on a High
 JdBP> Resolution Display" symptom.
 JdBP> » JdeBP «

I already know what your said, but is good to
have a msg like this & start forward ... mmm 8-)

Not always I reset to VGA... If I use Trident
Drivers is not necessary, I only run the install
BUT is necessary to know EXACTLY what graphic mode a
board specified requires... (horizontal frequency,
too, for compatibility with monitor) Whit this all,
is all very good at OS2 world (here at least!).. -8)

With GRADD happen the same thing, from GRADD 0.77
to 0.80 is not needed change to VGA & THEN change
to SVGA... is very slow & cross-way works very well.

But it is valid only when anyone know what to do...

Curiosity teaches somethings ... 8)

When this method fail, the method descripted by Jon
is only chance...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Interested to give me a P600 III, please leave msg for me.

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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    17-Oct-99 15:41:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Re: E-Mail servers??

-=> Russell Tiedt wrote to Dan Egli <=-

 DE> I believe that Warp 4 ships with a version of Sendmail ported
 DE> to Os/2. Look in tcp/ip config.

 RT> Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far
 RT> as I can see there is no way to do much usefull with it, at
 RT> least I have found nothing that suggests how one might go about
 RT> it, and my experience with sendmail on Linux has so far not
 RT> been good.

I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace of
documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?  Running
it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as arguments produces
quite uninformative error messages.  "Help Sendmail" produces a
"topic not found" error message.

Jack P.
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From: Tony Pater                                        17-Oct-99 15:51:19
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: faxworks

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to all <=-

 RJT> I happened to have installed the faxworks stuff from the bonus pack
 RJT> on to this machine way back when,  and didn't do anything with it for
 RJT> quite some time...

 RCB> It is prog absolutely useless for me. I want fax but isn't possible.

 Rodrigo....
 It certainly is possible; just have to type your message into the
 notes part as I recall. I've used it prior to purchasing
 'Faxworks Pro'.
 The version provided free with OS/2 is the 'lite' version and doesn't
 have the ability to import text from another file, etc.

 Regards
 Tony
 Sydney, Oz
 Sat 10-02-1999  6:42:44 am



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From: Tony Pater                                        17-Oct-99 15:51:19
  To: Jack Stein                                        18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: OS/2 Support

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Murray Lesser <=-

 JS> Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 JS>I can't agree with you here Roy. Both the home, and
 >business (large and small) is totally domonated by MS
 >products.  You would be hard pressed to locate a business that was
 >not running MS OS's.

 ML>     Check on what OS your bank ATM is running under.  Most
 ML> of them still use OS/2 (some of them OS/2 1.3!).  Banks that
 ML> have changed to WinNT have tended to regret it.

 As I recall, there was talk way back here in Oz of a major bank
 moving from OS/2 to Windows ...... with much fanfare.
 I recently visited a branch in Sydney and noted that all the back
 office PC's were running OS/2.

 jur nour regrets, nes par !

 Regards
 Tony
 Sydney, Oz
 Sat 10-02-1999  7:36:20 am


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From: Mike Roark                                        17-Oct-99 12:24:07
  To: Gene Tucker                                       18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Gene!

Friday October 15 1999 19:50, Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx:



 GT> Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive. This

BM requires one cylinder. anywhere from a few meg to several meg. Depends on
the mode your run the drive in. Mine is 7 meg due to LBA translation.

 GT> does mean you will have to backup C drive and reinstall after you
 GT> have
No, there are several utilities that will re-size the DOS partition. FIPS, and
Partition Magic come to mind. But a backup is always a good idea.


 GT> recreated the partician with OS/2 Fdisk. If you are running Win9X you
 GT> will not be able to use FAT32 and you will have to reboot with OS/2
 GT> Fdisk to activate the Bootmanager after installing Win9X.

You can run Fat32 if it is set in Boot Manager. And any of the Fdisk programs
will activate the Bootmanager partition. DOS, OS/2, Partition Magic, and Linux
I know will do it.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: Mike Roark                                        17-Oct-99 12:31:17
  To: Peter Knapper                                     18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Peter!

Saturday October 16 1999 19:52, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx:


 LP>> Can I use Partition magic to set it up?  I don't want OS2 to
 LP>> change anything except load.

 PK> Yes, use Partition Magic to free up the first Cylinder of your Boot
 PK> Disk and when you install OS/2, select the ADVANCED install. This will
 PK> invoke the OS/2 FDISK and allow you to put Boot Manager in the space
 PK> you freed up, AND specify your D drive as the place you want OS/2
 PK> installed.

BM doesn't have to be on the first cylinder of the drive. If she has Partition
magic, simply re-size the DOS partition, and install Boot Manager. Then use
whatever drive you want to install OS/2 as long as it falls in the 1024
cylinder barrier.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: Mike Roark                                        17-Oct-99 22:22:01
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:15:09
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Roy!

Saturday October 16 1999 12:10, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Gene Tucker:


 GT>> Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive.

 RT> This is not correct.  Boot manager requires _one cylinder_ at the
 RT> beginning of _the first physical drive_.  There's no "3MB" in there
 RT> anywhere,  and the actual amount of drive space used is going to
 RT> depend on the way the system deals with the geometry of the drive.
 RT> It'll vary from 1M to as much as 8M.

Nope.. It will install on the first HD. It will install at either the
beginning or end of free space. Mine is after a Win98 partition, and before
the OS/2 bootable partition.


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Partition Information Program
May 12 1997 - OS/2 Version
Copyright (c) 1994-1997, PowerQuest Corporation
Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
as it is not modified in any way.  All other rights are reserved.

PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic, can be reached at
  Voice: 801-437-8900   Web site: http://www.powerquest.com
  Fax:   [phone]   Email:    [e-mail]

========================================================================
Disk 0:  8056.0 Megabytes
========================= Partition Information ========================
Volume        Partition                        Partition   Start   Total
Letter:Label  Type            Status   Size MB Sector  #  Sector Sectors
-+----------- --------------- -------- ------- ------- - ------- -------
*:WIN98       Hidden FAT16B   Pri,Boot   909.9       0 2      63 1863477
              Boot Manager    Pri,Boot     7.8       0 1 1863603   16065
C:CDRIVE      HPFS            Pri,Boot   604.0       0 0 1879668 1236942
              Extended        Pri       6534.3       0 3 311661013382145
D:MAILDRIVE   HPFS            Log        305.9 3116610 0 3116673  626472
E:STORAGE1    HPFS            Log       2000.3 3743145 0 3743208 4096512
F:FDRIVE      HPFS            Log       2776.8 7839720 0 7839783 5686947
G:GDRIVE      HPFS            Log        447.113526730 013526793  915642
              Linux Ext2      Log,Boot    86.314442436 014442499  176651
              Linux Ext2      Log        917.714619151 014619214 1879541

========================================================================
Disk 1:  6149.9 Megabytes
========================= Partition Information ========================
Volume        Partition                        Partition   Start   Total
Letter:Label  Type            Status   Size MB Sector  #  Sector Sectors
-+----------- --------------- -------- ------- ------- - ------- -------
              Free Space      Pri          7.8    None -      63   16002
              Extended        Pri       6142.0       0 0   1606512578895
              FAT32           Log        760.9   16065 0   16128 1558242
H:HDRIVE      HPFS            Log       1004.0 1574370 0 1574433 2056257
I:            HPFS            Log       1004.0 3630690 0 3630753 2056257
              Linux Ext2      Log       1498.2 5687011 0 5687074 3068351
              Linux Ext2      Log       1804.1 8755426 0 8755489 3694886
              Linux Swap      Log         70.612450376 012450439  144521
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Have a good day!!
Mike
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From: Jan Deboer                                        18-Oct-99 13:29:29
  To: All                                               18-Oct-99 22:44:06
Subj: Questions...

Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
All that swapping and drive activity brought fears of early drive
failure, so memory was upped to 32Mb, and the frantic drive activity
quieted down. But then, I was only using a few Dos apps, and began
wondering what if any advantages I was getting under OS/2, and soon I
was booting up in Dos. Eventually the two 540's were replaced by a 2.6
Gb, and W95 was installed for better Internet performance.
But then, we bought a Pentium and the 486 sat largely unused. So, I
'downgraded' it - pulled the 2.6 and reinstalled the old 540's, and
reinstalled Warp3. So, now I'mm re-acquianting myself with OS/2 and all
the reasons I gave up on it in the first place.
Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how could
they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move or rename
files????????????!!!!!!!
I find myself using the W3.1 file manager all the time, but it is a pain
in the butt to get to it.
I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
troubles?
Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install' software
for them?
Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the advantages/improvements
over Warp3?
Does anybody still sell Warp4? (No luck in the clearout bins! :(

Cheers.


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From: Will Honea                                        18-Oct-99 23:45:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        18-Oct-99 23:45:00
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote to All on 10-18-1999

JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!! I

They didn't - you just never learned to use what you have.  Drag&Drop
is a hallmark of the WorkPlace Shell.  With just 8 meg and any network
installation at all, you have a bit of a dog but with 32 meg I have a
couple of DX4/100's that will keep up with W95 on the net - while I can
do something useful with the 90%+ free CPU time.  'course, I prefer to
work on the K6-233 :-}

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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:28:24
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Greetings,


 LP> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have to
 LP> have Windows on my harddrive?

 SH> If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need it.

That's what I mean.  What about W4W stuff?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:31:06
  To: Bob Wright                                        19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW> Just one minor correction... it doesn't have to be the *first*
 BW> cylinder.  In fact, it can be the *last* cylinder as long as it falls
 BW> within the magic 1024 cylinders.

 BW> (On both my machines, the DOS partition is first, followed by the Boot
 BW> Manager partition..).

Oh.  I can live with that.  There's room at the end of the partition.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:41:22
  To: Bob Wright                                        19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW> However, I *do* agree with the rest of Peter's comments here..  I only
 BW> have FAT partitions so that the DOS partition will function, and for
 BW> those things that I run from multiple platforms (Front Door being the
 BW> most common one..).

But I hate the thought if giving up a 1 g drive partition to OS2 only.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:45:21
  To: Don Guy                                           19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Don Guy wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 DG> OTOH if you mean "plain" Warp 3 vs. Warp Connect, I believe the same
 DG> fixpacks can be used for each.

Would be nice <G>.

Anon,

Linda

... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 13:48:14
  To: Bob Wright                                        19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 BW> Another one that I left off my list, is Star Office.  It's a (rather
 BW> huge) office suite which is now being provided by Sun.  It's free for

Is there a site to dl it?

Anon,

Linda

... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 14:03:05
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 06:07:25
Subj: W 4 difs.

Greetings,

What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

Anon,

Linda

... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
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From: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 19-Oct-99 06:51:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 07:02:03
Subj: Newbie

 BW>> WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS
 BW>> nnn Mb None            D:Logical       FAT
 BW>> None            E:Logical       FAT
 BW>> OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            G:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            H:Logical       NTFS

 RCB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
 RCB> I presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

The limit is 4 *primary* partitions.  The above has *two* primaries, one
labelled C: and the other is an extended partition containing numerous logical
drives.  The limit on logical drives is simply the letters of the alphabet
(for drive designations) left over after all the primary partitions have been
assigned.  That is true for DOS, all flavors of Windows and OS/2.

Larry

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From: Peter French                                      16-Oct-99 20:14:00
  To: Louis Aubree                                      16-Oct-99 20:14:00
Subj: Long Lines

On 1999-10-07, Louis Aubree wrote to Peter French on message number 449;
  Hi Louis,
LA>
LA> Do you like reading messages looking like this?
LA>
  Never had that complaint before, but then again I may have changed things
this side - more than once (a day)!  I've had the reader wrapping at 90 and my
personal editor at 79.  I've set them both for 79 and we'll see what happens.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


___
 X KWQ/2 1.2i X Schmidt's Law: If you mess with a thing long enough, it'll
break.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:49:07
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

 SH> 11 Oct 99 07:49, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Stewart
 SH> Honsberger:

 JdBP> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when
 JdBP> the white "?? OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to
 JdBP> boot to a command line.

 SH> Can I load Netscape? Can I multi-task?

 SH> When OS/2 is booted to text mode, I can't even load VModem and
 SH> a mailer window at the same time. Why install the overhead of
 SH> OS/2, when I could just as easily run DOS?

You _can_ multi-task,  it jjust takes a different approach to things.

 SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

RTFM?  :-)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:46:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: UniMaint ???

Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-16-99, Roy J. Tellason to
 ML> Bat Lang)

 ML> Hi Roy--

 BL> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL> Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive.
 BL> Since it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the
 BL> archive, there is no way to determine what I want to know,
 BL> short of installing it <Ugh!>

RT>I just *hate* it when they do that...

 ML>     Why?  It saves a lot of trouble for those who haven't
 ML> learned to keep an Unzip utility at hand, and doesn't do any
 ML> harm that I can understand.

I'm not talking about just making stuff self-extracting,  that's a fairly
small price to pay in most instances,  and the addition disk space required
isn't all that much.

I was referring more to the ones that don't put sufficient _text_ in an
archive so that you can read about the silly thing before you have to end up
installing it in order to figure out whether you want to bother installing it
or not...

 ML> Its only drawback that I can see is that you cannot see what is
 ML> in the file unless you execute it.  Of course, not even this is
 ML> a drawback if you make it a practice never to download an
 ML> application that you don't know what it does.  At least, the
 ML> likelihood of an OS/2 virus being transmitted this way is
 ML> exceedingly small.

Viruses are not of major concern to me here.

And as for downloads,  sometimes things look interesting,  and then I forget
what it was until I stumble across it at some later time.  Or I may only get
parts of something and not the rest because I've gotten too tired to finish
it,  or ran out of room on that drive,  or whatever.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:34:08
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 LP> How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

I have no idea as to how the bonus packs would differ from one version to the
other,  or if indeed they would differ at all.  The two copies of OS/2 I have
here are both blue,  for whatever that's worth...

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   18-Oct-99 21:40:18
  To: Bob Wright                                        19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Y2K

Bob Wright wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

(Infozip...)

 RJT> I have these,  and also the PKware product for OS/2.  Is there any
 RJT> particular advantage to going with the Infozip products?  Aside from the
 RJT> fact that they're freeware,  that is...

 BW> In my case, inertia.  I never got around to getting the PKware
 BW> one.  "Free" didn't hurt any, either ;)

I suppose I oughta get familiar with it one of these days.  Probably they'll
work better,  too.

 BW>> ZIPCONTROL, although I've tried others along the way.

 RJT> What does that do for you?

 BW> Gives a way to actually review the files that are in the
 BW> archive... readme's for example.  You know the type, the one
 BW> that says "unzip this archive into a directory using -? -? -?.
 BW> Note: if you don't do it this way, horrible things will
 BW> happen."  Really useful since you have to unzip the thing to
 BW> find out that you've done it wrong.

I currently use InspectA for that purpose,  and while I'm real used to it and
it works well for me for the most part,  there are a couple of quirks that are
starting to really bug me about it.  It's not able to handle multiple gigs of
free space properly,  and gets *real* slow when it comes to very large
directories,  taking a while to display or re-scan them.  The latest one is
the drive availability bit.  I have a couple of network drives mapped to drive
letters on the OS/2 box,  and when that machine isn't on it takes *forever* to
get a drive listing when I want to switch to a different one.  The dos version
does the same thing when I don't happen to have a cdrom in the drive,  or have
an audio disk in there.

 BW> If you give it a path to a virus scanner, it will scan it
 BW> first.

Inspect'll do that,  too,  if you want.

 BW> It has the ability to do a "temporary" unzip (eval) and then
 BW> delete the unzipped files.

 BW> You can use a set of default parameters, and don't have to
 BW> remember the command-line ones.

Overall,  it sounds like it's worth a look.  Now to try and get a hold of
it...

 BW>  - Origin: Merlin's Tower - Surrey, BC (1:153/944)

<g>

Got email?

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From: Andy Roberts                                      18-Oct-99 10:29:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Linda Proulx,

17-Oct-99 18:29:21, Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx
 GH> Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 LP>> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs

---
Info-Zip.Zip                    02-11-94         150,079
    This is the OS/2 version of ZIP needed for ADEPT.

Injoy2_3.Zip                    09-26-99       1,447,366
    InJoy 2.3 for OS/2  InJoy is an UNBELIEVABLY feature rich, fast,
    reliable and EASY to use SLIP/PPP dialer.  New in 2.3: Supports IPSec,
    the standard for interconnected, secure networking devices and the
    predominant technology in Virtual Private Networks (VPNs).  Awarded 5
    Cows by TUCOWS, nominated as best Internet utility across all platforms;
    Awarded Reader's Choice by OS/2 OS/2 eZine.  Has stayed in the top-3 of
    BMT's sales list for more than 3 years!  The Firewall and Packet Filter
    plugins found at the Professional and SOHO level turn InJoy into an
    extremely powerful and secure gateway product, capable of handling an
    almost infinite number of network users.  FEATURE RICH: Dial On Demand;
    Re-Dial, IPSec VPN support; Network Address Translation;  High Speeds;
    Phone List; Auto-Scripts; Connection Log; Terminal Mode; Dynamic DNS;
    NAT PING/TRACERTE/FTP/IRC DCC/CUSEEME; PAP/(MS)CHAP; Filter Plugin;
    InJoy Firewall plugin; TCP/IP v4.1 support; Trace; more..  Software by
    F/X Communications  [e-mail] http://www.fx.dk

Sio160D.Zip                     03-17-97         210,713
    Ray Gwinn's comm drivers for OS/2, V1.60d. SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS are
    replacements of the OS2 communications drivers COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS which
    come with OS/2. VX00.SYS provides FOSSIL and virtual 16550 support for DOS
    programs SIO can be ordered to supporting any number of ports. Vmodem now
    has both inbound and outbound Telnet.
---

There is a newer beta version.  AFAIK this version does everything a normal
modem needs.

---
comm46xr.exe  9/20/99  10015428
 Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 Warp with strong encryption
 http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

nspip30.exe  9/20/99    1824992
 OS/2(R) Plug-in Pack v. 3.0
 http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

firunpkg.zip 8/16/99     782992
 IBM OS/2 Feature Install Version 1.2.5
 is a browser-based installation utility
 that is used to install some IBM Software Choice features.
 Feature Install Version 1.2.5 contains enhancements
 for installation reliability and serviceability.
 http://techsupport.services.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/en_us/catalog.htm

javainrt.exe  11808193  8-02-99   3:09p
Java 118-19990728 for OS/2
---

Mr2I160A.Zip                    05-31-99       1,120,781
    MR/2 ICE v1.60a Internet Email Client An OS/2 PM reader for internet
    email. POP3 and SMTP support, 32 bit multithreaded, toolbars,
    multiwindow, thesaurus, speller.  Many more features with more planned.
    Fix for early exit problem with FP10.

Mr2Thsrs.Zip                    03-13-94         311,766
    MR/2 Thesaurus Word Database v1.0. MR/2 is a QWK compatible mail reader
for
    OS/2. Unpack the file MR2THSRS.BIN into your MR/2 directory to enable the
    thesaurus built into MR/2's internal editor (ALT-T or ALT-F1). 9200 key
    words; 70,000 words total.

Mr2Dictl.Zip                    03-13-94         280,987
    MR/2 Spelling Checker Word Base v1.0. MR/2 is a QWK compatible mail reader
    for OS/2. Unpack the file MR2DICT.BIN into your MR/2 directory to enable
    the spelling checker built into MR/2's internal editor (CTRL-F2). This is
    the "Large" dictionary - 120,000 words.
---

I have a couple of dozen other addon utils for Mr/2Ice.

---
Fc2_211.Zip                     07-26-99         265,820
    File Commander/2 v2.11. 32 bit text mode file manager and shell that
    allows you to locate, copy, move, delete, view, edit and execute your
    files in a quick, convenient and customizable manner.  Norton
    Commander(TM) (DOS) clone for OS/2 Provides powerful file management
    functions, program launch, text viewing and editing facilities, built in
    archiver support (ZIP,ARJ,RAR,LZH,ACE) in 32 bit OS/2 text mode.

Ochat107.Exe                    12-09-97         652,516
    OpenChat/2 is an OS/2 Internet Relay Chat client. It allows you to connect
    to irc servers around the world and chat with other people in real time.
    OpenChat/2 features list include but not limited to: 32 bit multithreaded
    Presentation Manager application Multiple windows for different channels
    Nicklist window Extremely fast scripting Powerful default script included
    Multimedia support One click URL feeding to Netscape and/or WebExplorer
    Completely colour and font configurable via mouse popup palette/font menus
    Full colour scrollback with colour enabled cut & paste options DCC
    Resend/Reget/Resume support Requirements: OS/2 Warp 3.0 or 4.0...It does
    not run on os/2 2.x.

Gz-311B.Zip                     07-15-98         207,150
    GemZ v3.0 script for OpenChat/2
---

 GH> A good offline mail reader

I wish I could find a great native OS/2 OLMR.  When I have more time I'll try
what Gord sent to me.  Until then I will continue to use DOS Terminate/TerMail
which does release OS/2 time slices.
---
500Ter.Zip                      08-01-97       1,443,324
    ---===< TERMINATE 5 >===--- ...The Final Datacomms Terminal!.....
    Extremely Powerful Terminal Program w. many Features: BBS system with
    Fidonet-Mailer/Events/IEMSI, Fax System, VT100, VT220, ANSI, Avatar,
    Cost Calculation, File Manager, Full Fidonet Mailsystem for
    Points/Nodes, Scripts, CAPI 1.1, ISDN B-Channel Bundling, Doorway NOW!
    <Presented_by_SerWiz_Comm,_Bo_Bendtsen> X2 and 56k Flex supported,
    Internal ISDN CAPI 1.1 support, BBSnext support, Doorway Mode incl.
    printer redirection and has Doorway.exe included.  Complete BBS system.
    Mailer supports up to 100 AKA's.  Powerful compiled scripts.  IEMSI auto
    logons & mini-scripts, Keyb Editor, Translation Tables, CD Player,
    Professional Mail Reader "TERMAIL" now with internal message editor,
    Gecho technology for message bases (and QWK), Style colors, AutoCorrect,
    MegaSearch, Signature Manager, Extremely advanced Quote Reformatting,
    ROT13, AddressBook, Groups, Templates, AreaFix Manager, Calls Netscape
    / Internet Explorer to view www-pages found in messages.  Tracks
    messages, Carbon Copy Groups, Crossposting, UUencoding, Nodelist
    compiler, diff-updater, Forms, Support external spellcheckers, Request
    files.  AND MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE * FAST-AUTOMATIC-INSTALLATION
    ------======< TERMINATE 5 >======------
---

 GH> Staroffice 5.1 or better

---
so51a_os2_01.exe  68019397  10-09-99   2:14a
SUN StarOffice 5.1a
http://www.sun.com/staroffice
---

Includes Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Draw, Browser, and a few other typical
"office suite" apps.  Much better than Lotus and this is free.

---
Ncftp2R1.Zip                    06-23-96         447,704
    NcFTP v2.3.0 Release 1, Enhanced FTP Client (w/full source).
---

That includes nice Macro capability and reget to continue D/Ling files where
they left off, if the connection gets broken.

---
Robosave.Zip                    11-09-93         102,555
    Robosave v3.04, backup your Workplace Shell desktop

Shftrn.Zip                      11-01-94          20,684
    ShiftRun is a utility that enables a user to optionally start any OS/2
Full
    Screen or Windowed program within the same OS/2 session.
---

That pair of files work together as THE MOST Secure DeskTop BackUp/Restore.
--- Excerpt Config.Sys ---
CALL=F:\TOOLS-D\SHIFTRUN.EXE 5 CMD.EXE "/C F:\TOOLS-D\ROBOSAVE\ROBOREST.CMD"
---

---
Arc98076.Zip                    03-17-98           8,434
    OS/2 "Archive once" REXX script to toggle backup of the Warp DeskTop.
    Version 98.076 (C)opyright Dennis Bareis 1997
    http://www.ozemail.com.au/~dbareis ([e-mail])
---

That is very convenient, but not as reliable as RoboSave/ShiftRun.

---
Pmvw105.Zip                     03-15-99       1,328,396
    (v1.05) PMView This is a very fast bitmap viewer for files in JPEG, GIF,
    PNG, TIFF, Photo CD and 30 other formats.  This program also allows
    conversions between image formats, minor editing adjustments (such as
    cropping and rotation), screen capture, and simple slideshows.
    SHAREWARE US$42 registration fee.  Contact: [e-mail]

Aro2E30.Exe                     05-16-97       4,215,291
    AcroRead v.3.0 for OS/2 for *.PDF files.

Bc1Eng1.Zip                     02-19-97       1,318,781
    BlueCAD 1.008 1 of 3  Computer Aided Drafting

Bc1Eng2.Zip                     02-19-97       1,337,600
    BlueCAD 1.008 2 of 3

Bc1Eng3.Zip                     02-19-97       1,282,074
    BlueCAD 1.008 3 of 3

Ftree12F.Zip                    08-06-98       1,242,593
    FamilyTree v1.2f, 32-bit genealogy program for OS/2, PM graphical
    application, multithreaded, Drag&Drop, Rexx.  Put all related persons in
    one family tree and work with your data by using the mouse and opening
    context menus.  Shareware DM 20,-- / US $ 15, Author Nils Meier
    Internet: [e-mail]
---

There is also a Java version of Family Tree.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/2225/

There are several CDR prgms.  The most polished (GUI) and expensive is RSJ
http://www.rsj.de/stage/en/cd_os2.htm

CDRecord/2 OS/2-port of cdrecord the cd-burning program from *nix.  FreeWare
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785/

There are several addons for that, including a GUI front-end.

American Heritage Dictionary Concise Edition v1.2 (from the Bonus Pak.)

---
Wptool29.Zip                    05-30-99         337,555
    Collection of INI-file and WPS maintenance tools by Henk Kelder

Os2Clu02.Zip                    09-01-99         590,770
    JdeBP's OS/2 Command-Line Utilities, version 2.0 .
    A suite of native 32-bit OS/2 command-line utilities for a wide variety of
    tasks, too many to describe individually so I'll just give the names:
    ANACLOCK, ARCDIR, ATTRIB, BCOMP, CALCTZ, COMP, CONVCASE, CPUIDG, CPUIDT,
    DELTREE, DIGCLOCK, DIRSIZE, DUMP, FF, FIND, FINDDUPS, FITSIZE, GREP, HELP,
    MEM, PARTLIST, PLAYTUNE, RESETINI, SAYDATE, SETDATE, SORT, STRINGS, STRIP,
    SUM, TASKLIST, TEE, TEXTCONV, TOUCH, TREE, WC, WHAT, WHICH, WINSIGHT,
    XDEL, XDIR, and Y.  See the enclosed documentation for details.
---

Graham utilities
http://www.bmtmicro.com/

I think there is a ShareWare version, but I paid the expensive registration,
since it has the power to save my butt when I make big mistakes.

---
QF11.ZIP                        07-04-98           85265
 Quick Fixer for Apply/Backout of FixPaks from HD.

BootOS2.Zip                     07-21-99         322,894
    V.9.20 The BOOTOS2 program is a utility that allows you to build a
BOOTable
    OS/2 V2, V3 or V4 system on floppies or a maintainence partition using an
    existing OS/2 V2, V3 or V4 system.

WarpTris.Zip                    05-12-97         173,919
    WarpTris 1.01 WarpTris is a Freeware, 32bit Multi-Threaded Tetris like
game
    for OS/2 Warp. Instead of pieces droping from top to bottom they appear at
    the middle of the game window, and then start falling towards on side of
it
    randomly. This enables you to make lines all around the game window. This
    release adds Num Lock independence and corrects some minor bugs that
    existed on WarpTris 1.0.
---

Sheesh... OS/2 is not all work and no games. <g>

I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files, then I can get all the above
and a FixPak for Warp3 and most of the rest of my 1,500 OS/2 files on 1 CD.
Then I can send you that CD for $10US (including shipping to Canada).  If you
are interested, then send me your snail mail address via NetMail.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Andy Roberts                                      18-Oct-99 19:33:23
  To: Bat Lang                                          19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 Bat Lang,

17-Oct-99 23:25:24, Bat Lang wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
          Subject: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BL> Affirmative! [e-mail]

What's it been now some 8 odd years that I have been trying to get you to be a
beta tester for 1 or another prgm.

Got'cha <g>

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: George White                                      15-Oct-99 08:14:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

On 12-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual
 LP> Boot. But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.  Drive D
 LP> is a 1 g partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.
 LP> Want to run DOS & Windows legacy programs.

 LP> The examples in the manual don't exactly do that.

Because it can't be done. Dual boot (sometimes incorrectly, but
appropriately, called "Duel Boot") installs OS/2 on the C partition
alongside the existing DOS/Windows install. To install OS/2 on any
other partition requires the use of Boot Manager.

 LP> What would would be the best way to install it?

Best way?. I would suggest creating space on the Primary (Master)
drive for a minimum sized partition (usually at the start - but within
the first 1024 cylinders) and install Boot Manager in it. The space
can be created with Partition Magic (Commercial software from
PowerQuest) or there are freeware/shareware programs available (sorry,
no names - I have Partition Magic).

Method:
1) Create space for minimum partition.
2) Boot from install disks.
3) Select advanced install
4) Enter FDISK and install Boot Manager & set the required partition
installable
5) Continue install

Note: You will have to have the D partition formatted FAT to prevent
the drive letters changing when booted to DOS.

 LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq.  Will
 LP> the install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the
 LP> DOS autoexec.bat & config.sys.

SCSI CDROM is handled by OS/2. SCSI ZIP disk I'm not sure about, but
Iomega have drivers if they are needed. I don't know if the parallel
SPARQ drive is supported.

 LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades, the best
 LP> free/shareware, anything else I should know.

Maintenance upgrades are called "Fixpaks" by IBM. For Warp 3 fixpak
40 is a good one. They are available on the Inet from IBM, some BBSs,
and are sometimes put on some magazine cover CDs (certainly one mag in
the UK puts them on every so often), and on CD from Indelible Blue
Inc. (who make a small charge to cover production costs).


George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         14-Oct-99 23:50:24
  To: Bob Wright                                        19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Over ?!  It's only just *started* ...

 JdBP>> But this places a burden on development since it consequently
 JdBP>> requires that "OS/2001" have new features that make the upgrade
 JdBP>> worthwhile, or else again one will be pilloried in the advocacy
 JdBP>> echoes, this time for producing an upgrade that the cynics would
 JdBP>> paint as nothing but a shallow ploy to get people to pay out all
 JdBP>> over again.

 BW> Unless, of course, your company name is "Micro$oft"...

The same holds true.  Microsoft is in fact pilloried for exactly this.  The
difference is that Microsoft, being a monopoly, is able to simply ignore the
complaints without suffering any adverse consequences.

 » JdeBP «

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         14-Oct-99 23:56:00
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: I want to break free

 JH> I want to install CorelDraw for OS/2 on a multi-gig hard drive
 JH> formatted HPFS. It has a problem with large amounts of free space on
 JH> the hard drive.

If it's the amount of free space, and not the overall size of the volume, that
the installation program doesn't like, then simply eat up enough free space by
creating large dummy files to take it below the 2GiB line.

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From: George White                                      17-Oct-99 11:15:18
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 07:50:22
Subj: Re: Newbie

Hi Linda,

On 15-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to Roy J. Tellason:


  -=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP>> What if I Partition Magic a small one?

 RJT>> Having that makes things a _lot_ easier.  <g>

 RJT>> Yeah,  if you can shrink your first partition slightly,  then
 RJT>> move it up some, you can install Boot Manager at the beginning
 RJT>> of the HD and no problem...

 RJT>> You only need _one_ cylinder to install it.

 LP> Guess would have to temp call it C and boot the DOS system files
 LP> for the install?  I'm starting to wonder if I can keep the small
 LP> partition hidden rename....  Sigh.

Nope! Just create the freespace at the start of the disk using
Partition Magic (shrink the existing C partition by a cylinder or 1
meg, whichever is the smaller, then shift it up to move the free space
from after it to before it). Then boot up using the OS/2 install disks
and get into FDISK (select advanced install) and from FDISK you can
configure Boot Manager in the free space.
You need to use Advanced Install to install OS/2 to anything other
than the C drive.

George

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From: Peter Knapper                                     19-Oct-99 20:07:11
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 09:15:14
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK> Thats right, BLUE pack contains Windows WITHIN
 PK> OS/2, RED pack allows an
 PK> existing Windows 3.1 environment to be run from within OS/2. I ALWAYS
 PK> used the BLUE version, the RED version is too easy to corrupt.

 LP> In what way.

To allow Windows to run under OS/2, OS/2 needs to make small changes to some
of the Windows files. Any time you run Windows programs when Windows runs is
running under OS/2, OS/2 makes sure that anything that modifies the Windows
environment is accomodated so that it can also run when Windows is run under
OS/2.

HOWEVER, if those same chages are made in a DOS/Windows environment, OS/2 is
not aware of them and this MAY lead to problems when you next run Windows
under OS/2.

This is the problem using "RED PACK", it can be upset by too many potential
fingers getting into the pie. "BLUE PACK" does not suffer this "problem",
because a native DOS environment can't "fiddle" with things without OS/2
knowing about it.

 LP> Also what about 3.11 & the blue flavour?

The "BLUE" flavour of Windows is only Windows 3.1, it is NOT Windows 3.11.
However this is not a problem, because the networking support of 3.11 is
accomodated by the Networking support of OS/2 (which is more efficient
anyway). You just need to establish your Networking connections under OS/2
first BEFORE you start up the Windows environment. In this case all the
network drives look just like Local drives to Win-OS/2...

I hope this helps...........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     19-Oct-99 20:18:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 09:15:14
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK>   2. DOS programs run under OS/2 have no problems accessing HPFS
 PK> partitions, they look just like a FAT partition to
 PK> the DOS program, so
 PK> you are nt prevented from sing HPFS partitions in
 LP> a DOS box under OS/2,
 PK> instead you gain by the increased performance of HPFS.

 LP> I thought that DOS would not see an HPFS partition.

Native DOS can't access an HPFS partition without using a device driver that
can do this, but DOS session run under OS/2 can see just about ANY resource
that OS/2 can see!

 LP> Eg, if in a 1gpartition I use only 500 mb I have lost the
 LP> rest of the drive to DOS and that I can not put DOS or Win
 LP> programs on it.

Nope. I have 5 partitions on my 4.2GB drive, 1 FAT, 4 HPFS. Any DOS window I
open can see ALL partitions, regardless of how they are formatted. DOS sees
them as FAT and accesses them as FAT, OS/2 just reads and writes them as HPFS
and DOS is none the wiser. It works fine. Resolves the Cluster size problem
for large partitions too, ALL "clusters" are 512 bytes on HPFS.

I hope this helps...............pk.


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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    19-Oct-99 12:18:17
  To: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 12:18:17
Subj: Warp 3 Install


 MR> Nope.. It will install on the first HD. It will install
 MR> at either the beginning or end of free space. Mine is
 MR> after a Win98 partition, and before the OS/2 bootable

Actually BM can be installed ANYWHERE on the first drive, as long as it's
within the logical 1024 cylinder range.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
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From: Linda Proulx                                      18-Oct-99 17:07:06
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: Uninstall Programs

Greetings,

Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what are
good ones?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 01:13:15
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> Yeah, there are. But what version you have? My zip is internal.

SCSI external.

 RCB> Exist driver for syquest, I think... at somewhere in the net...

Ah... but where?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 01:16:03
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> But you dont LOST 500MB, you USED 500MB!

It's the left over 500 MB I'm talking about.

 RCB> sister). The absolute majority is OS2 progies, &

Which ones?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 18:05:19
  To: Holger Granholm                                   19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: UniMaint ???

 -=> Quoting Holger Granholm to Bat Lang, [17 Oct 99  18:54:00] <=-

 BL>Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL>Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive. Since
 BL>it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the archive,
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 BL>there is no way to determine what I want to know, short of
 BL>installing it <Ugh!>

 HG> Hi Bat,

 HG> Get ZTreeBold (ZTB180.ZIP) so that you can see inside compressed .EXE
 HG> files.

I do not need ZTB (never liked it). If you note above the underscored,
you should conclude that I looked in there and found everything readable
to be insufficient to answer any of those points I raised. I am not
willing to install it just to find out what it is all about. Having
gleaned a bit more from another in this thread, I learned enough to know
that it's NOT for me, and it's now in the bit-bucket. BTW, Andy Roberts
appears about to do the same with his copy. {^; Nonetheless, thanks for
your reply, and Good Modeming! /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 18:15:10
  To: Murray Lesser                                     19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: UniMaint ???

 -=> Quoting Murray Lesser to Roy J. Tellason, [18 Oct 99  06:45:00] <=-

 ML> I wonder where BAT got his stranger from.

Why, from Lody Caenen, of course. From my original query (quoted by
others in this pkt/thread):

BL>Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.

The actual filebone FDN was Fernwood, TTBOMK just about the only FDN
still hatching OS/2 apps via the filebone?  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          18-Oct-99 18:24:00
  To: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 13:22:11
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Bat Lang, [17 Oct 99  11:57:57] <=-

 ET> Hello Bat,

Howdy, ET!  Hey! Are you from this galaxy?  {^;

 BL> I normally use D:\DOWN\ for ftp clients, but their config
 BL> was much clearer than I find in WGET.

 ET> D:\DOWN\ looks a directory to me and not a FTP program, a directory
 ET> has no config, so I'm not sure what you mean by this.

My intent here was to declare my default download dir (used with my
other ftp clients) is D:\DOWN (same as your c:/www)

 ET> The wget-1.5.3.text is the doc file, it explains all the options.

Right!

 ET> I have posted this and more in the OS2REXX echo a short while ago.

Thanks for the generous info here, since I don't frequent REXX echoes.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    18-Oct-99 22:39:19
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda,

16 Oct 99 20:48, Linda Proulx wrote to Gord Hannah:

 LP>> What about the Boot Manager though?  What will it do to my C:
 LP>> drive?

 GH>> If my feeble memory serves me right that is not used in dual
 GH>> boot.  I

 LP> But not multi boot & I think I want that.

Dual boot's only real purpose is to allow you to install OS/2 on top of an
existing DOS installation, and switch between them by rebooting. In that case,
OS/2 shares the partition with DOS, it's just that only one set of boot files
is active on any given boot. The dangerous part is that, since you're changing
what boots on that partition each time you change os's, there's more chance
for something to go wrong. Plus, each os not only has access to the other's
files, they consider the same partition "home".

Boot Manager is a multi-boot utility provided with OS/2, and runs from its own
primary partition (which does *not* get a drive letter assigned, that's done
by the os and BM is out of the picture by then) so that your hardware can
"boot" from it. When it runs, it presents a menu of the various partitions
(usually, but not always, bootable) you've added to its menu. When you select
a given partition from the menu, it hands off the boot process to that
partition. *IF* an os that can boot from that particular partition is
installed there, it boots. Since OS/2 (and others, such as linux) don't care
what partition they boot from, as long as the system bios can see the
partition, it'll boot. Since DOS (and by extension, Windows) is dependent on
being on the first visible, active, primary partition, it will usually have to
be on the "C: drive". Usually that means the active partition on the first
physical drive, but not always. I've booted MS-DOS from a primary partition on
my second drive, when the active primary on the first drive was invisible to
DOS (i.e., HPFS). On the other hand, Caldera DOS on the same partition fails.

Boot Manager is *far* more flexible. It supports more os's, user-configurable
defaults, user configurable menu, and allows booting (anything but DOS) from
pretty much any partition your hardware can see without an os's driver.

The downside of BM is that it does require its own partition. Of course, with
the advent of such things as Partition Magic, this is less of a problem than
it once was. Of course, the housecleaning that would likely result from the
old backup/fdisk/restore method probably wouldn't hurt anyone. :-)

 LP> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs one would not live with
 LP> OS/2 without.

Get the full distribution for EPM. This is the Enhanced Editor you get with
OS/2. Sort of. Actually, what you have in the EE, is one particular build of
EPM, the way IBM chose to set it up. This only scrapes the surface of what is
possible with this editor, which is easily the most configurable program I
know of, period. The full distribution (hobbes, LEO, etc.) includes the
compiler, docs, sample files, etc. that would be needed to customize your own
build(s).
Infoware's zip/unzip. Because everyone needs them. And these are free. :-)

Take a look at the EWS files section. That's Employee Written Software,
written by employees of IBM on their own. Some of it's bound to fit within
your needs somewhere.

NPSWPS. A WorkPlace Shell enhancer, (potentially) adds lots of little tweaks
to the desktop, like wrap-around mouse, window animations, shadows, etc. Turn
on/off as you desire. Never had a problem that I'm aware of with it.

Learn REXX. A variety of extensions (addon DLL's) are available, and the
language itself is easy to work with and excellent for processing text files.
Learn it, and you may be able to eliminate programs you were using under DOS
with scripts you write yourself. And some OS/2 native programs also use rexx
as their own script language, possibly adding a few functions unique to their
environment.

Kenneth ([e-mail])

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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    18-Oct-99 23:34:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda,

17 Oct 99 16:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:

 BW>> Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition
 BW>> doesn't get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the
 BW>> booted operating system..

 LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

Nope. The hard drive can be completely clean, brand new. The install boots
from floppies, then installs from the CD (or a stack of floppies on the older
ones). Aside from the DOS support within OS/2 (which is NOT necessary to
install either), you don't have to have DOS anywhere to install OS/2. Take the
advanced path through the install, and you'll have a chance to run fdisk,
create partitions as desired, install Boot Manager, etc. prior to actually
installing OS/2 itself.

Kenneth ([e-mail])

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      19-Oct-99 06:45:05
  To: BOB WRIGHT                                        19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Y2k

On 10/17/1999 in OS/2 (F) Bob Wright wrote to John Hentsch:

BW> Unless you can convince QuickFix that you're running Warp 4
BW> Server, it won't install FP42.  (Warp 4 Server is actually based
BW> on the Warp *3* kernel, which is why it uses FP42).

That explains way Quickfix didn't work with FP42 on my Warp v3 system.
Well, shoot... I'll go get the proper fixPack for Warp v3...

Thanks Bob,
jh -
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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      19-Oct-99 06:49:05
  To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD                         19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Boot manager

On 10/14/1999 in OS/2 (F) Jonathan De Boyne Pollard wrote to John
Hentsch:

JD> If it's the amount of free space, and not the overall size of the
JD> volume, that the installation program doesn't like, then simply
JD> eat up enough free space by creating large dummy files to take it
JD> below the 2GiB line.


Hi Jonathan, I recently installed SYSTEM COMMANDER boot manager
software that should solve my problem.  I don't know if your are
familiar with it, but it has some additional feature over IBM's OS/2
boot manager.

I had a tough time getting OS/2 Warp Connect installed though. It was
to be the third OS on the hard drive and I couldn't get past the install
program. Apparently, it saw through SYSTEM COMMANDER'S hidden partition
trickery and didn't want to continue. The OS/2 Warp Connect install
reported it didn't have enough space to install the system.

I eventually, installed OS/2 Connect on another hard drive, without
SYSTEM COMMANDER, and then had PARTITION MAGIC copy it over to the
SYSTEM COMMANDER partition. I had to run SYSINSTX and then was able to
get it to boot, OS/2 seeing itself on C: drive even through it was
on the third partition on the drive.


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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              18-Oct-99 23:58:06
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello All.

Dimanche 17 Octobre 1999 19:09, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All:

 JMD> the controller : cds-323, 16bit isa long card, with external 37p and
looking everywhere, I also looked in my dusty os/2 2.1 box, took out of the
.dsk file what was in it and found this :
===========
A93G5861.DSK                         1474560     Col 0     21% 23:57
                                                       10 October 1993
------------
| OVERVIEW |
------------

This README describes an OS/2 device driver (CHINCDS1.FLT) for the
Chinon 435 and 535 CD-ROM drives.

The Chinon CD-ROM drive MUST be attached to a SCSI adapter which
is supported under OS/2 with an OS/2 SCSI Adapter Device Driver (.ADD).
Currently, there is no support for the Chinon SCSI adapter which is
typically bundled with the Chinon drive.  Chinon is developing an OS/2
adapter device driver for their SCSI card, but it is not available at
this time.
===========

so, by that time was the chinon controller not yet supported
anyone knows if later he becomed so, before they stopped making pc-stuff?


 JMD> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
 JMD> Any idea/workaround/suggestion?
that one is more than ever actual :)

Jean-Michel

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 11:53:17
  To: Holger Granholm                                   19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

Hello Holger!

11 Oct 99 21:56, Holger Granholm wrote to Rich Wonneberger:
 >> OS/2 v 4.0 runs on 486s with 6M required and 12M recommended (the
 >> kernel does not require 486 but some components reportedly need it)
 >> OS/2 v 4.5 runs on 486s with 12M required and 32M recommended
 RW>> Andrew,
 RW>> OS/2 4.5??
 RW>> What is the .5??
 HG> It could be v4.0 GA with FP5 applied. <BG>
    Nope, it's a LS for e-Business. Aurora project.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 11:55:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

12 Oct 99 19:09, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> I want to install warp 3 to the D drive on my computer with Dual Boot.
 LP> But I don't want it to reformat or Fdisk anything.  Drive D is a 1 g
 LP> partition. Drive C has DOS 6.22 on C & Windows 311 on E.  Want to run
 LP> DOS & Windows legacy programs.
 LP> The examples in the manual don't exactly do that.
    Yeap ...
 LP> What would would be the best way to install it?
    At first. Dual-boot mean two OSes on same partition. If you want to
install
any system on any partition you must use boot manager. IBM OS/2 Boot Manager
for
example. But BM needs separate 1-cylinder partition. If you expirience some
troubles with creating partition for BM, you can use 3-d party boot manager.
I'm
recommend System Commander.
 LP> Have a SCSI CD-ROM & ZIP disk & a parallel Syquest Sparq.  Will the
 LP> install see these or do I have to have the DOS drivers in the DOS
 LP> autoexec.bat & config.sys.
    May be yes, may be not. It depend... I think no.
 LP> Also want to know about any maintenance upgrades, the best
 LP> free/shareware, anything else I should know.
    Welcome to netmail

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 12:03:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Y2K

Hello Linda!

13 Oct 99 15:08, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?
    You need fixpack 35 or greater.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 12:04:17
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda!

13 Oct 99 15:45, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Someone gave me a copy of Warp 3, Red flavour.
    Hmm... What is Red Flavour?
 LP> Am thinking of installing, but don't want it to do anything to my
 LP> harddrives.
    As I'm understand, you have
    C: fat primary on 1-st HDD
    D: fat primary on 2-nd HDD
    E: fat ext. on 2-nd HDD
    Yes? Gimme more info 'bout your hardware and partition sizes.
 LP> Want to know what best way to prep for the install.  Also want a good
 LP> bootmanager that will run off a floppy.  Will the Warp boot manager
 LP> work on a floppy?
    No.
 LP> I have 2 HDs & want to put OS2 on the primary of D drive.
    Hmmmm... Sorry for poor english.
    It's possible. I see many ways.
    1) If you have modern MoBo with many variations of boot sequences in BIOS
setup you may use this feature. In this case you C: becames D: under OS/2.
    2) Use IBM Boot Manager. Get Partition magic. Slightly resize C:. Install
BM. Enjoy. But if you want to use HPFS file system for OS/2 your E: becames D:
under DOS :( Sorry, but there's no way to work with HPFS from DOS with full
features. Or Read Only with garbaged long names or Read/Write without ones.
But
please, never use FAT->HPFS conversion in Partition Magic. It can bring up
strange behaviour into your system.
    3) Use System Commander for example. Or one of thousands 3-d party boot
managers. I think it's best way in your case. But you got same "drive letters"
restrictions as in 2.
    My opinion: OS/2 is a very good replacement for DOS environment. As
someone
says: - "...better DOS than DOS..." And if you want to use OS/2 - you must use
OS/2 ideology. For example: I have 4 partitions under OS/2.
 8< === Begin OS/2 Clipboard === >8
D:\>fdisk /query


Drive Name  Partition Vtype FStype Status   Start     Size

    1 0000003f     :    1    0a      2          0        1
    1 OS/2        D:    2    07      1          2      500
    1 000fb07f    E:    2    07      0        502      801
    1 0028ba80     :    3    00      0       1303       92
    1 DOS         C:    1    06      1       1395      509
    1 003b8e00     :    1    00      0       1905        2
 8< === End OS/2 Clipboard === >8
    First is a Boot Manager. C: under DOS, FAT16. At a 'tail' of HDD. 'cause
'tail' is slowly than 'head' :) I'm DOS-apps developer. And must test my
proggies under pure DOS. And I like to play Quake %) D: - bootable under OS/2
HPFS. E: HPFS too. It's a garbage collection, work drive, temporary files
collection :), mailbase and so on. Piece of 92 megs is a additional free
space.
For strange cases.
    5 years expirience under OS/2 shows me - 509 megs under DOS enough for DOS
tools, games and so on.
 LP> Lots of questions.
    I knew :)
 LP> What best freeware/shareware?
    The great software collection resides at www://hobbes.nmsu.edu or
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu. Also I have a list of OS/2-related sites. But it's more
than 60K. It's only legal sites. Also I know many illegal sites :)
 LP> What are the maintenance releases I need?
    If you want Y2K compatible system you need FP35 or greater. I'm use FP 36
on my server.
 LP> Is there one to put the Win code into the red as it is on the Blue
 LP> flavour?
    Ahhh!!! Red flavour is Warp For windows? Yes?
    No. Warp4Win have different syslevel files. You can't make Warp with
WinOS2
via fixpack.
 LP> How to setup for Dos & Win programs, lots of questions.
    Online docs is a great solution.
 LP> What would you not live without in OS2.
    It's a very good workstation for network administrator, DOS-apps
developer.
OS/2 have more better TCP/IP and NETBEUI support than wynndoze.

    So. Try to write netmail for me. Also you can use
[e-mail].
Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 15:14:29
  To: Jeffrey J Counsil                                 19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Newbie

Hello Jeffrey!

15 Oct 99 11:39, Jeffrey J Counsil wrote to Rob Basler:
 RB> LP>> Also want a good
 RB> LP>> bootmanager that will run off a floppy.
 RB>>
 RB>> Never heard of such a program.
 JC> PQBoot?
    Piece of shit... Too buggy...

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 15:15:23
  To: Gene Tucker                                       19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Gene!

15 Oct 99 19:50, Gene Tucker wrote to Linda Proulx:
 GT> Boot mangager requires it own 3MB partician on your C: drive.
    No. _One_ cylineder.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 15:19:20
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello Jean-Michel!

17 Oct 99 19:09, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All:
 JD> chincds1.flt, with as text in file header : This program cannot be run
 JD> in a DOS session. CHINCD1     chincds1.DLL      CHINCD1 CHINON
 JD> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
 JD> Any idea/workaround/suggestion?
    It's a CD-ROM driver. But you need a SCSI controller driver too.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  19-Oct-99 15:21:16
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 15:32:07
Subj: Newbie

Hello Rodrigo!

18 Oct 99 06:36, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Bob Wright:
 RB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
    4 _primary_.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   19-Oct-99 11:23:14
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Jack Pfisterer wrote in a message to Russell Tiedt:

-=> Russell Tiedt wrote to Dan Egli <=-

 DE> I believe that Warp 4 ships with a version of Sendmail ported
 DE> to Os/2. Look in tcp/ip config.

 RT> Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far
 RT> as I can see there is no way to do much usefull with it, at
 RT> least I have found nothing that suggests how one might go about
 RT> it, and my experience with sendmail on Linux has so far not
 RT> been good.

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no
 JP> trace of documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

 JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?
 JP> Running it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as
 JP> arguments produces quite uninformative error messages. "Help
 JP> Sendmail" produces a "topic not found" error message.

I don't know about warp 4 (I run warp connect here) but there were a whole
*bunch* of doc files included when TCP/IP was installed,  have you looked in
there?

Seems to me that there's also some stuff dealing with it in the TCP/IP
settings notebook.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   19-Oct-99 11:30:05
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Newbie

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Bob Wright:

 RCB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions, I
 RCB> presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

 RCB> Or OS/2 dont have this limit?

Here's how that works...

The drive's "master boot record" has a small bit of code in there,  and the
main partition table,  which has exactly four entries.  You can use any of
these four entries for primary partitions,  which includes any bootable
partition,  dos,  winxx,  OS/2,  or Boot Manager.  Only one of these is
supposed to be flagged as "active" (although apparently Linux doesn't have a
problem if more than one is) and that's the one that will boot,  while the
others won't be seen once the system is booted.

One of those four entries can be an "extended partition",  which can support
any number of "drives" or "logical drives" or "logical partitions" -- the way
they do that is that successive table entries are stored at other places on
the disk,  so the four-entry table really isn't a limit.

There's a shareware partition-resizer program out there,  the copy I have here
is presz120.zip,  which has an *excellent* doc file that explains all of this
in detail,  if you want to know more about it.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   19-Oct-99 11:27:26
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Leonard Erickson:

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 LE> The 2000 has some nice features, such as using USARTs instead of UARTs
 LE> on the COM ports. And 640x400 graphics (2 color or 16 color depending

 RCB> mm... interesting, but what the difference between these UARTs?

The "S" indicates that the part is capable of "synchronous" operation,  which
means that instead of start and stop bits it uses other means for the two ends
to coordinate their operations.  Since you aren't sending those extra bits for
each byte getting transferred,  it's faster.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   19-Oct-99 11:34:05
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Y2K

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> Connect has networking support.  Actually the pre-connect versions
 RJT> have *some* networking support,  just tcp/ip when you install the
 RJT> internet goodies from the bonus pack,  but it's a lot less than what
 RJT> you get with connect...

 RCB> It is my situation why the box of my warp is redstripe.

 RCB> Warp4 dont have this difference, anymore, right?

As far as I know,  yes.  (I don't have warp 4 here,  only warp connect.)

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   19-Oct-99 11:37:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Bob Wright:

-=> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW> Another one that I left off my list, is Star Office.  It's a (rather
 BW> huge) office suite which is now being provided by Sun.  It's free for

 LP> Is there a site to dl it?

There is (though I don't know what it is),  but it's *huge*.  We're talking
about a download that would last for several hours...

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  19-Oct-99 02:48:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Leonard Erickson <=-

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Roy J. Tellason <=-

 LE> The 2000 has some nice features, such as using USARTs instead of UARTs
 LE> on the COM ports. And 640x400 graphics (2 color or 16 color depending

 RCB> mm... interesting, but what the difference between these UARTs?

 UART = Universal Asyschonrous Receiver/Transmitter
USART = Universal Synchronous/Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter

A UART can't handle a true synchronous link. A USART can.

Most PC folks don't know much about synch links, *because* synch cards
for PCs are *expensive* and not well supported.

One of the simpler aspects of the difference is that a synchronous link
doesn't *have* start bits and stop bits. Thus 8-bit, no parity data
moves 1.25 (10/8) times as fast over a synchronous link.

You do pay for this. Anytime a new byte isn't ready to be sent in time,
you have to add a "dummy" byte to maintain synch. And usually, you
dedicate one byte value to this, and have to use some sort of escape
char to actually send that value. Even so, synch is still faster than async.

synch links tend to be *inherently* bi-directional also.

The main reason I'm interested in synch links is because I've got a
pair of CSU/DSU units that can do 56k if connected to a sync interface,
and only 19.2k if hooked to an async one.

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      19-Oct-99 07:13:12
  To: BOB WRIGHT                                        19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Y2k

On 10/17/1999 in OS/2 (F) Bob Wright wrote to John Hentsch:

BW> Unless you can convince QuickFix that you're running Warp 4
BW> Server, it won't install FP42.  (Warp 4 Server is actually based
BW> on the Warp *3* kernel, which is why it uses FP42).

I see why I grabbed FixPack 42 instead of 40. On the IBM FTP site,
FP42 is under the directory of v3-warp. I figured I'd grab the lastest
that was under the v3-warp directory so I downloaded 42...  I wonder
why IBM mixed the two together in the the same parent directory.


jh -
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From: Andy Roberts                                      19-Oct-99 09:27:00
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Warp 3 install

 Kenneth Abrams,

18-Oct-99 22:39:38, Kenneth Abrams wrote to Linda Proulx
 KA> 16 Oct 99 20:48, Linda Proulx wrote to Gord Hannah:
          Subject: Warp 3 install

 KA> NPSWPS. A WorkPlace Shell enhancer, (potentially) adds lots of
 KA> little tweaks to the desktop, like wrap-around mouse, window
 KA> animations, shadows, etc. Turn on/off as you desire. Never had a
 KA> problem that I'm aware of with it

Try turning that off the next time you have problems installing or using
StarOffice.  Personally I've never seen any WPS enhancer that didn't have some
ill side effect.  And since StarOffice tries to be it's own DeskTop, that
might have been the cause of some of your earlier problems.  I'm not saying
that is a problem, just that it might be a problem, especially on a 486.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Sean Dennis                                       19-Oct-99 10:42:25
  To: Gene Tucker                                       19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: Ls-120

Hello Gene.

17 Oct 99 19:50, you wrote to me:

 SD>> Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm

 GT> The latest set of IDE drivrs will support it along with Ultra 66. They
 GT> may be obtained from the Device Driver online site of IBM.

Would FP 11 have the drivers in it?  Just wondering.  I've been to the site
and seen the drivers; I wasn't sure if FP 11 had them in it.


Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       19-Oct-99 10:43:25
  To: Bat Lang                                          19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: LS-120

Hello Bat.

17 Oct 99 22:38, you wrote to me:

 SD>> Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?  I'm needing
 SD>> something for backup for my BBS and I remember reading something
 SD>> about a driver for OS/2 concerning the LS-120...

 BL> If you have Warp 4 and FixPak6, you have it covered. Good Modeming!

Thank you. :)  I have Warp 4 and FP 11.

Later,
Sean

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From: Sean Dennis                                       19-Oct-99 10:44:09
  To: All                                               19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: LS-120

Hello All.

Thanks for all the quick replies.

Now to coax the wife into not complaining about my spending the money on it.
;)

I'd hope she doesn't mind... I've got a lot of years of work wrapped up in
this and I'd sure like to back it up.

Later,
Sean

... "A cross upon her bedroom wall/From grace she will fall" -- Type O
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From: Jack Stein                                        17-Oct-99 15:26:26
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             19-Oct-99 19:20:16
Subj: File Managers

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JS> There are a number of tools that require an objectid, for example, I
 JS> have a script that periodically scans my system to determine if the BBS
 JS> is active or not, and restarts it if it crashed, and scripts that shut
 JS> it down before opening an internet session, then waits until the
 JS> internet session ends then automatically loads the BBS.  ObjectID's are
 JS> an intregal part of all this, and they are a good way to open DOS
 JS> sessions with all the settings that the object requires when you can't
 JS> be there to click on an icon.

 RCB> What progies require objectid? I am curious! =)

REXX requires an objectid if you wish to open an icon using REXX.  WPTOOLS
requires objectid's for some functions that work with objects.  I just
explained above some examples of how I use them.  For example, to open an
object (icon) with REXX one can use this function, and call it with the
objectid:

/**********************************************************************
Open_Object:
 parse ARG Obj_ID
 say "Loading" Obj_ID "... "
 rcode = sysopenobject('<'||Obj_ID||'>',0,1)
return rcode
/***********************************************************************/

So, the objectid of my BBS is <OPUS_BBS>  so from a REXX script I can call the
above function, passing it "OPUS_BBS" and my DOS BBS will start with all the
DOS_SETTINGS exactly as if I clicked on my BBS ICON.  This can then be
automated to run unattended.  I can also shut down applications, restart them
and do other various things without being here.

                                              Jack
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From: Murray Lesser                                     19-Oct-99 08:56:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       19-Oct-99 08:56:00
Subj: HPFS info quest

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-18-99, Mike Ruskai to All)

Hi Mike--

MR>I'm attempting to gather information on how the size of a drive
  >correlates with the HPFS system area.

...much deleted

MR>Is CHKDSK incorrect, or is there something big that I'm missing?

    Download the latest version of the DFSEE utility from your friendly
BBS and see if that will help you.  Here is a quotation from the
introduction to the doc file of an early 1999 version (DFSEE294) that
might give you some ideas as to what is covered in the utility:

 "The DFSee program is a disk and filesystem browser with an emphasis on
  the HPFS and FAT filesystems, disk partitioning and some NTFS.  It
  will support different file-systems sometime in the future.

 "The program has been built while studying the HPFS filesystem.  It's
  main purpose is getting to understand the file-system as it resides
  on the disk itself, in the data-structures laid down in disk-sectors.
  Over time, additional logic was implemented to allow analysis of all
  sorts of disk problems on HPFS volumes.

 "The tool has been used a few times over the past years to analyse some
  real-life disk problems in a large systems-integration project.  Also
  it has proven very usefull in teaching others the internals of HPFS
  Most of my knowledge of the HPFS file-system is based on the excellent
  lectures "HPFS Internals" at the 1994, 95 and 96 ColoradOS/2
  conferences by Doug Azzarito and on peeking arround on a lot of HPFS
  volumes using DFS."

    Hope this helps,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm                                   18-Oct-99 21:18:00
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     19-Oct-99 21:23:14
Subj: StarOffice?

In a message dated 10-15-99, Russell Tiedt said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Russell,

RT>He will copy mine for R35 (South African Rands) what postage is

 HG> Would that be something around 10.00 USD?

RT>Probably a little less, between 6 and 8 USD.

RT>likely to be is any ones guess, probably triple that, then maybe not
RT>quite.

RT>No idea, as I have never mailed any CD's.

RT>You want I should get one made for you?

It would be nice but how would I pay you?
Let me first check sun.com for their pricing.
There I know I can pay with credit card. Easy ;-)

I'll be back.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Louis Aubree                                      21-Apr-99 21:02:00
  To: Jonathan De boyne poll                            19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Petite Bretagne

Hi, Jonathan!

 LA>> Brittany is West of France, like Wales are West of England.

JDBP> Except that Wales is a country in its own right, and not a part
JDBP> of England, whereas Brittany is simply a part of France.

JDBP> A better analogy is to say that Brittany is that part of France
JDBP> in the extreme west whose population largely descends from the
JDBP> "original" Celtic inhabitants of the country and that has an

<and so on...>

You need nothing more to know where I live, not like an American.
Maybe you're able to add the ferries phone numbers and time tables...

So, this time, we're completely off topic. Maybe I'll try a reply through
Netmail (but I still wonder if I succeed this way).

   L.A.
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From: Jack Pfisterer                                    08-May-99 07:19:00
  To: John Thompson                                     19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Re: Recalcitrant file

 JT> JP> Since updating Graham Utilities to the latest update in March,
 JT> JP> all of my tape backups have reported: "Access to file
 JT> JP> D:\UTIL\GU20\prn denied."  The file is listed as 4577 bytes,
 JT> JP> but resists all attempts to examine its contents or attributes.
 JT>
 JT> Out of curiousity, what tape software are you using?

BackMaster v1.1.

 JT> I suspect the problem is that this file uses the name "prn" which
 JT> IIRC is a reserved name in OS/2 for the printer device.  If it is
 JT> not part of the Graham Utility package (and I suspect it's not,
 JT> unless Graham is trying to do something tricky with the printer
 JT> device for one of his utilities)

I share in those suspicions--all of them, but especially the possibility
that Graham tried something too fancy :)

 JT> I'd try deleting it.

 JT> JP> I'm not giving a lot of thought to deleting it, though, since
 JT> JP> it looks like that would be impossible.

I'll probably try to if all else fails.

 JT> You can always re-install GU if it turns out it needs that file.

Not a real pleasing prospect, since it means installing the shrink-wrap
version, applying the update and then cleaning up all the cra^H^H^H
extraneous stuff it leaves about.

Jack P.
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From: Louis Aubree                                      03-May-99 19:59:00
  To: Roy J. tellason                                   19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Wangtech Scsi tape

Hi Roy!

Reply about CD burners moved to OS2HW, subject CD-RW.

   Louis

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From: Louis Aubree                                      07-May-99 22:16:00
  To: Joe Kovacs                                        19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Licensing Os/2

Murray Lesser excerpted this from Joe Kovacs (dated 1999-04-18).

JK>Home users buy a pure piece of hardware, with no concept of service.
  >They don't have payroll to get out, nor letters they _must write, and
  >can't use service.  IBM sells nothing that home users can use, they
  >never have, they never will, and they understand this full well.

Well, let's say that about "IBM Service", if there's such a company.
Another company, "IBM PC" (if there's such a company...) sells micro
computers (IBM Aptiva) to home users . They have a clean, smart look,
just opposite to designs with plastic bulges so common now to
"please" home buyers. Of course, the Aptivas are available with Win
only (AFAIK). I don't know how long this will go on, because "IBM
corp" (if...) seemed dubious about the PC market. At least, "IBM
components" (if...) is still ahead in many fields and manage to
produce massive lots of advanced components. This company (?)
recently signed a deal with Dell: Dell will be the N°1 buyer to "IBM
components" (with what privileges?).

   That's how I see IBM now : a bunch of independant companies with
the same name.

      L.A.


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From: Preston Smith                                     12-May-99 16:58:21
  To: Will Honea                                        19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Drive Problems

Hello Will!

Wednesday May 12 1999 00:05, Will Honea wrote to Preston Smith:

 WH> I've gone to Texas and got sent right back again, so I'm still here.
 WH> We just don't have and BBS's left that carry a decent echo list so I
 WH> use Pete Norloff's OS2BBS vis telnet anymore.

That is really sad to hear


 WH> I don't see any reason that your swaps would have fouled up the drive
 WH> letter for the OS/2 partition, so that shoots that idea.  If you are
 WH> still have problems by the weekend, drop me an email and I'll swap the
 WH> drives about on one of the clunkers here and see what happens.  BTW,
 WH> you may be SOL getting busmastering unless both drives on the one
 WH> channel support it - seems that's what I saw when using the verbose
 WH> parm on the IBM1S506.ADD line, but it didn't crash, just forced both
 WH> drives to PIO.  I'll see if I can find the right drives to look at
 WH> that, too.

That is why I want to put the 1.2 and 6.4 gig drives on the same channel.
Since the swap of the drives did not affect booting from the OS/2 utility
diskettes and from Windows, could it be that there is something in the OS/2
partitions config.sys that is not in the correct order?  ie are their any
BASEDEV, DEVICE, etc and like statements that must be in a specific order in
the config.sys?

Also is there a possibility that the SCSI CD (which is in the W98 config but
not the Utility disk config) has some impact on the problem?  Similarly could
the SCSI tape drive which is only in the main partition's config play a role?

Preston ([e-mail])

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From: Herbert Rosenau                                   14-Oct-99 23:04:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Y2K

 LP> Greetings,

 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?

Fixpack 41

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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      16-Oct-99 12:09:17
  To: PAUL HILDEBRANDT                                  19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: GEN GRADD!

On 10/06/1999 in OS/2 (F) Paul Hildebrandt wrote to All:

PH> I finally got IBM's gengradd drivers to work on my voodoo3 card.

What exactly is a GADD driver anyway?


jh -
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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      16-Oct-99 12:20:10
  To: WILL HONEA                                        19-Oct-99 21:23:15
Subj: Y2k

On 10/15/1999 in OS/2 (F) Will Honea wrote to Peter Knapper:

1WH> been resolved up thru FP42.  FP40 is the last free Warp 3 fixpak
WH> for other than Warp Server Advanced or paid subscriptions.
WH> Consensus seems to be that you might as well go ahead and us FP40
WH> - It seems to have been pretty solid.

Will, I downloaded FP42 for Warp v3 about a week ago, for free,
apparently. However, I'm having trouble getting QuickFix to install it.
What's the deal woth me being able to download FP42 without some sort
of password or paid subscription?


jh -
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  19-Oct-99 19:35:06
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 00:12:22
Subj: CAD

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Linda Proulx dated 10-18-99 ***
> Bc1Eng1.Zip                     02-19-97       1,318,781
>     BlueCAD 1.008 1 of 3  Computer Aided Drafting
>
> Bc1Eng2.Zip                     02-19-97       1,337,600
>     BlueCAD 1.008 2 of 3

> Bc1Eng3.Zip                     02-19-97       1,282,074
>     BlueCAD 1.008 3 of 3

Maybe someone here who uses BlueCAD can tell me if it supports a HP-7475A
Plotter.

How about any simple CAD program that supports the plotter??

I dont need much more then basic functions.  Single line drawing, some text.
The ability to zoom in and print a section enlarged would be nice.

Of course the ability to save to disk.  :}

TIA
Rich
I-Net   [e-mail]


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       19-Oct-99 07:18:00
  To: JAN DEBOER                                        20-Oct-99 00:12:22
Subj: Questions...

Some senseless babbling from Jan Deboer to All
on 10-18-99  13:29 about Questions......

 JD> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
 JD> All that swapping and drive activity brought fears of early drive
 JD> failure, so memory was upped to 32Mb, and the frantic drive activity
 JD> quieted down. But then, I was only using a few Dos apps, and began
 JD> wondering what if any advantages I was getting under OS/2, and soon I
 JD> was booting up in Dos. Eventually the two 540's were replaced by a 2.6
 JD> Gb, and W95 was installed for better Internet performance.
 JD> But then, we bought a Pentium and the 486 sat largely unused. So, I
 JD> 'downgraded' it - pulled the 2.6 and reinstalled the old 540's, and
 JD> reinstalled Warp3. So, now I'mm re-acquianting myself with OS/2 and
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place.
 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how could
 JD> they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move or rename
 JD> files????????????!!!!!!!

They didn't.  It doesn't include a conventional file manager, for certain.
However, there's no such limitations on what you can do with the drive
objects.  You might be confused by the fact that dragging and dropping is
accomplished in OS/2 with the second mouse button (the right one, for
right-handed people).  You can rename something by holding down the ALT key
while clicking on the title text.  There's a longer route via the property
notebook, of course.

 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?

Probably.  FP32 is the official Y2K compatible fixpack level for Warp 3.

 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install' software
 JD> for them?

http://ps.software.ibm.com/

Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation facility
which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all the files are
downloaded.  A couple simple questions later, you're done.

 JD> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the advantages/improvements
 JD> over Warp3?
 JD> Does anybody still sell Warp4? (No luck in the clearout bins! :(

 JD> Cheers.

There are some interface enhancements, bundled networking (need Warp
Connect for v3 networking), better device support, better app support, etc.
If you're going to use OS/2, then it's worth upgrading.  You can buy a copy
online here:

http://www.indelible-blue.com/

As well as elsewhere, I'm certain.

Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       19-Oct-99 07:26:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     20-Oct-99 00:12:22
Subj: UniMaint ???

Some senseless babbling from Murray Lesser to Roy J. Tellason
on 10-18-99  06:45 about UniMaint ???...

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-16-99, Roy J. Tellason to Bat Lang)

 ML> Hi Roy--

 BL> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.
 BL> Unfortunately, it was distributed as a <Ptui!> selfex archive.
 BL> Since it is 2.4Mb+, and has very skimpy text material in the
 BL> archive, there is no way to determine what I want to know,
 BL> short of installing it <Ugh!>

 RT>I just *hate* it when they do that...

 ML> Why?  It saves a lot of trouble for those who haven't learned to
 ML> keep an Unzip utility at hand, and doesn't do any harm that I can
 ML> understand.  Its only drawback that I can see is that you cannot see
 ML> what is in the file unless you execute it.  Of course, not even this
 ML> is a drawback if you make it a practice never to download an
 ML> application that you don't know what it does.  At least, the likelihood
 ML> of an OS/2 virus being transmitted this way is exceedingly small.

I never just execute a self-extractor.  The first few bytes of the file
usually let on just what type of archive it is, and you can always use that
archiver utility to do a manual extraction (of the readme file, of course).

Mike Ruskai
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From: Will Honea                                        19-Oct-99 21:10:00
  To: John Hentsch                                      19-Oct-99 21:10:00
Subj: Y2k

JOHN HENTSCH wrote to WILL HONEA on 10-16-1999

JH> Will, I downloaded FP42 for Warp v3 about a week ago, for free,
JH> apparently. However, I'm having trouble getting QuickFix to
JH> install it. What's the deal woth me being able to download FP42
JH> without some sort of password or paid subscription?

Anyone can download it - it's your nickle - but the installer checks
for products to service and FP 41+ will not recognize Warp 3 or Warp
Connect and eligible.  There is a hack floating about that will gimmick
the syslevel.os2 file so that the installer thinks you have Warp Server
but as above: it's your nickle.  Not a legal or supported application
of the fixpak so don't go crying to IBM if it eats your system <g>

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        19-Oct-99 21:14:01
  To: Preston Smith                                     19-Oct-99 21:14:01
Subj: Drive Problems

Preston Smith wrote to Will Honea on 05-12-1999

PS> Hello Will!
PS>
PS> Wednesday May 12 1999 00:05, Will Honea wrote to Preston Smith:
PS>

Man! did someone ever sit on the pipe! Methinks this (and a few
others) got really fouled up - or Murphy implemented Y2K a tad early
<g>

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        19-Oct-99 21:30:02
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  19-Oct-99 21:30:02
Subj: Processors, experience,

Leonard Erickson wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara on 10-19-1999

LE> One of the simpler aspects of the difference is that a synchronous
LE> link doesn't *have* start bits and stop bits. Thus 8-bit, no parity
LE> data moves 1.25 (10/8) times as fast over a synchronous link.

AH, memories of the good old days of writing bisync drivers for a
pre-Grid laptop!

LE> You do pay for this. Anytime a new byte isn't ready to be sent in
LE> time, you have to add a "dummy" byte to maintain synch. And usually,
LE> you dedicate one byte value to this, and have to use some sort of
LE> escape char to actually send that value. Even so, synch is still
LE> faster than async.

Depends on the sync protocol supported.  Bisync (in the 8251 and 8273,
at least) included a length count after the sys-syn pair which then
allowed the syn character to pass as data.

LE> synch links tend to be *inherently* bi-directional also.

LE> The main reason I'm interested in synch links is because I've got
LE> a pair of CSU/DSU units that can do 56k if connected to a sync
LE> interface, and only 19.2k if hooked to an async one.

Hadn't thought of this in years.  What I really remember was the
hassle of getting the protocol spec out of IBM to be able to write the
drivers.  In the days of 300 baud acoustic modems this allowed up to
9600 with direct connection - INS800 processor couldn't keep up with
anything faster.  Now we complain if we get 'only' 33.6!

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From: Murray Lesser                                     19-Oct-99 21:28:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 21:28:00
Subj: Uninstall Programs

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-18-99, Linda Proulx to All)

Hi Linda--

LP>Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what are
  >good ones?

    OS/2 is not Windows :-).  As I understand it, OS/2 has few, if any,
of the Windows nuisance maintenance requirements, such as requiring a
third-party "uninstall" utility to get rid of the junk that Windows
scatters all over your system.  (I really wouldn't know for sure,
because I've never done Windows!)

    In general, about the only thing that OS/2 will put into your boot
drive uninvited, when you install an application, are entries
corresponding to your desktop objects (and, with some poorly designed
programs, changes to your CONFIG.SYS).  Almost everything else
associated with the application you wish to delete is in the directory
containing that application.  (Well-constructed OS/2 programs do not
have the annoying Windows habit of re-installing system DLLs in strange
places!)  Strictly speaking, OS/2 does not need an  uninstall program
for several reasons:

    1)  "Well designed" OS/2 programs, such as those that are furnished
by IBM and show up in your OS/2 -> Install -> "Installed Features"
directory, come with their own uninstall program that is also reached
through that directory.  Some well-designed applications come with their
own "uninstall" program that is contained in the same directory as the
application.  (Run a "Seek and Scan Files" search on "uninstal*.*" for
all fixed disks to see how many "uninstall" utilities you already have!)

    2)  Most other programs can be "uninstalled" by deleting the
directory they were loaded into (using the desktop DRIVES object for the
drive and directory in question).  This will leave junk in the
OS2\OS2.INI file (that should be removed periodically by using an "ini
cleaner" program) and, perhaps, in CONFIG.SYS (that should be removed by
using one of the three text editors that are furnished with OS/2).  I
use UniMaint (a shrink-wrapped "commercial" program) for cleaning up my
ini files and for other useful desktop maintenance jobs.

    3)  As a last resort, there are third-party OS/2 "uninstall"
utilities, although I have never used one.  One such came as part of my
UniMaint desktop maintenance set of programs.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Jan Danielsson                                    19-Oct-99 23:02:02
  To: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Questions...

[...]
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!

   WPS (the shell) replaces the need for 'filmanagers'. Simply open the
Drives-folder, and open whichever drive you wish to access.


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From: John Thompson                                     19-Oct-99 11:39:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Y2K

In a message to Roy J. Tellason, Linda Proulx wrote re: Y2K

LP> How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

The difference between "red" and "blue" boils down to whether or
not your have Win-OS/2 ("blue") or not ("red").  When the
corrective service facility determines that you do not have
Win-OS/2 it simply skips those parts of the fixpack.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 19:47:07
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Kenneth Abrams wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 KA> NOT necessary to install either), you don't have to have DOS anywhere
 KA> to install OS/2. Take the advanced path through the install, and you'll
 KA> have a chance to run fdisk, create partitions as desired, install Boot
 KA> Manager, etc. prior to actually installing OS/2 itself.

But I'm installing on a system with DOS.  & if I use Partition Magic
before the install, the BM partition will have a drive letter.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 20:06:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR>  Linda Proulx,

 AR> 17-Oct-99 18:29:21, Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx
 GH> Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,
 AR>           Subject: Warp 3 install

 LP>> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs

Wow!!.  What a great reply!  Thanks for the information.  It is very
kind of you to do this.

 AR> ---
 AR> 500Ter.Zip                      08-01-97       1,443,324
 AR>     ---===< TERMINATE 5 >===--- ...The Final Datacomms Terminal!.....
 AR>     Extremely Powerful Terminal Program w. many Features: BBS system

Using.

 AR> ---
 AR> Wptool29.Zip                    05-30-99         337,555
 AR>     Collection of INI-file and WPS maintenance tools by Henk Kelder

What is WPS?

 AR> Sheesh... OS/2 is not all work and no games. <g>

Well one should hope so... %-)

 AR> I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files, then I can get all the
                           What are^^^^^^^^^?


 AR> files on 1 CD. Then I can send you that CD for $10US (including
 AR> shipping to Canada).  If you are interested, then send me your snail

Sounds like a good option.  But will have to happen after the New Year.
Until my research is done & everything ready, and OS loaded, can't
honestly say am committed to OS/2.  Would not be fair to you to prep &
get it done until I was certain I was going for it.  By the by, where
are you?

 AR>      Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts

With support of folks like you, I should have great luck.


Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 20:09:29
  To: George White                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Greetings,

Thanks for the info.

I appreciate the time you took to answer.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 20:48:02
  To: Peter Knapper                                     20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 PK> The "BLUE" flavour of Windows is only Windows 3.1, it is NOT Windows
 PK> 3.11. However this is not a problem, because the networking support of

I thought that the Win code in W4W was more stable & that it's not just
the networking part.

 PK> I hope this hels...........pk.

Yes it does.  Thank you.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 20:51:04
  To: Peter Knapper                                     20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 PK> Native DOS can't access an HPFS partition without using a device driver
 PK> that can do this, but DOS session run under OS/2 can see just about ANY

And the driver is & I can get it where?

 PK> Resolves the Cluster size problem for large partitions too, ALL
 PK> "clusters" are 512 bytes on HPFS.

Hmmmmm......

 PK> I hope this helps...............pk.

Yes it does.  Thanks.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 20:52:24
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV>     Welcome to netmail

I'm not certail what you mean by that.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 21:00:08
  To: Kenneth Abrams                                    20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Kenneth Abrams wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 KA> The downside of BM is that it does require its own partition. Of
 KA> course, with the advent of such things as Partition Magic, this is less
 KA> of a problem than it once was. Of course, the housecleaning that would
 KA> likely result from the old backup/fdisk/restore method probably
 KA> wouldn't hurt anyone. :-)

So if I make a small partition at the end of C (which will become E
until the OS/2 install), the install process will only FDISK the small E
& leave C alone?

Thank you for the suggestions & info.  I appreciate the time you took to
do so.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      19-Oct-99 21:53:06
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> There is (though I don't know what it is),  but it's *huge*.  We're
 RJT> talking about a download that would last for several hours...

Unless one has a friend with a cable modem. %-)

Linda


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From: Holger Quander                                    20-Oct-99 02:13:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Warp 3 install

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an Gord Hannah:

 LP> Have 2 now.  D drive is the primary on my second HD.

in most cases it is mutch better to work without primary partitions on the
second, third, ... harddrive. only logical partitions. less trouble when
changing something.

 LP> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs one would not live with
 LP> OS/2 without.

depending on your work:

fido: some kind of mailer (xenia/2), tosser (squish), ticker (nef), mailreader
(fleetstreet), nodelistprocessor (fastlist)...

file management: norton clone (os/2 commander), shell replacements (4dos,
4os/2, nyaos, bash), gnu utils, infozip / unzip

wps extensions: xfolder, candybarz, npswps, ... (mutch more)

program development: c/c++ development (emx), plascal (freepascal), ide
(emacs), lisp (emacs), preprocessors (ppwizard), ...

editors: emacs, fte, tech ed

x-window: xfree86 - use ported x-window software oder use nativ software via
unix system in network

internet conn.: dialer (injoy), browser (netscape, lynx, mozilla), email
client (pmmail, jstreet, postroad), newsreader (pminews), ftp-client (nftp),
server (xitami [http & ftp], apatche, goserve, ...) ...

office: staroffice (free office suite), emTeX

misc. stuff: xfdisk (bootmanager, this one dosn't use a primary partition),
svdisk (great ramdisk), tvfs (virtual filesystem with symbolic links), tshell
(if you want to use os/2 with only textmode userinterface), memsize, pmpatrol

(so called) multimedia: mp3-player (warpamp, z!, pm123), mp3-encoder
(bladeenc), audio-grabber (leech, alfons), ...

and many more... feel free to ask ,-)

Servus, Holger!

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From: Stephen Haffly                                    19-Oct-99 07:43:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Warp 3 install

On (18 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Stephen Haffly...

Hi Linda,

 SH> If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need it.

 LP> That's what I mean.  What about W4W stuff?

Windows for Workgroups is Windows 3.11, so that would be covered.


TTYL,

Stephen
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    19-Oct-99 19:29:24
  To: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Questions...

On (18 Oct 99) Jan Deboer wrote to All...

Hi Jan,

 JD> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
 JD> All that swapping and drive activity brought fears of early drive
 JD> failure, so memory was upped to 32Mb, and the frantic drive activity
 JD> quieted down. But then, I was only using a few Dos apps, and began
 JD> wondering what if any advantages I was getting under OS/2, and soon I
 JD> was booting up in Dos. Eventually the two 540's were replaced by a 2.6
 JD> Gb, and W95 was installed for better Internet performance.
 JD> But then, we bought a Pentium and the 486 sat largely unused. So, I
 JD> 'downgraded' it - pulled the 2.6 and reinstalled the old 540's, and
 JD> reinstalled Warp3. So, now I'mm re-acquianting myself with OS/2 and
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place.
 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how could
 JD> they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move or rename
 JD> files????????????!!!!!!!

You need to learn what the right mouse button is for.  When you open the
drives object, and open a folder where files are located, a right click
on a file icon will bring up a menu from which you can select options
such as move, or file properties where it can be renamed.  Drag and drop
operations also work quite easily in OS/2 Warp 3 and 4.  Shed the DOS
think.

 JD> I find myself using the W3.1 file manager all the time, but it is a
 JD> pain in the butt to get to it.

See the above.


 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?

If you are running solely OS/2 apps, probably not much.  Since you say
you are running mainly DOS apps, then probably.  You should install at
least Fixpak 35.  Better to install Fixpak 40.  In any case, since the
fixpaks are cumulative, you only need to install one to be at the latest
available level.

 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install' software
 JD> for them?

You will be able to download the disk images from IBM's web site, or use
the remote software update utility to download and install the fixpak.

 JD> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the advantages/improvements
 JD> over Warp3?
 JD> Does anybody still sell Warp4? (No luck in the clearout bins! :(

Depends.  Do you need networking?  If so, then Warp 4 is probably the
way to go.  Otherwise, there really isn't too much difference.

IBM still sells it.  You can also get it from Indelible Blue
(www.indelible-blue.com), or possibly in an eBay auction.


TTYL,

Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
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From: Stephen Haffly                                    19-Oct-99 19:38:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: W 4 difs.

On (18 Oct 99) Linda Proulx wrote to All...

Hi Linda,

 LP> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

Warp 4 only comes in one flavor, which is the equivalent of Warp 3
Connect, Blue spine.  IBM decided to simplify things when they released
OS/2 Warp 4.


TTYL,

Stephen
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   20-Oct-99 07:50:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Newbie

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Kenneth Abrams:

-=> Kenneth Abrams wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 KA> NOT necessary to install either), you don't have to have DOS anywhere
 KA> to install OS/2. Take the advanced path through the install, and you'll
 KA> have a chance to run fdisk, create partitions as desired, install Boot
 KA> Manager, etc. prior to actually installing OS/2 itself.

 LP> But I'm installing on a system with DOS.  & if I use Partition
 LP> Magic before the install, the BM partition will have a drive
 LP> letter.

No it won't.  Drive letters only get into the picture when you get to the
point where you're booting an OS,  and by that time BM is out of the picture.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   20-Oct-99 07:51:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 10:17:05
Subj: Y2K

Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> There is (though I don't know what it is),  but it's *huge*.  We're
 RJT> talking about a download that would last for several hours...

 LP> Unless one has a friend with a cable modem. %-)

True.  I'll leave that to somebody else to comment on,  as I don't have one
here...

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From: Andy Roberts                                      19-Oct-99 22:09:11
  To: Bat Lang                                          20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: UniMaint ???

 Bat Lang,

18-Oct-99 18:15:20, Bat Lang wrote to Murray Lesser
          Subject: UniMaint ???

 ML>> I wonder where BAT got his stranger from.

FWUTILS - FW: OS/2 high-level utilities

1 of several FernWood OS/2 file echoes, distributed by FileBone, Planet
Connect Satellite, and paonline.com

Fidonet SysOps (and their Points) can have those file echoes delivered to them
automatically.  There are many Internet sites where those file echoes are
available to the public.  For example Bob Juge at FTP & HTTP juge.com and
FTP  jkracht.aye.net                Kentucky, USA
FTP  ftp.tpesp.com                  Madrid, Spain
FTP  ftp.maasstad.com               Rotterdam, NL
WWW  http://jkracht.aye.net/
WWW  http://arfin.tpesp.es

 BL> Why, from Lody Caenen, of course. From my original query (quoted
 BL> by others in this pkt/thread):

Lody Caenen is the Coordinator who hatches the OS/2 files in the FernWood file
echoes.  It is also up to Lody to post the TIC DESC (description) that goes
with each file hatched.

I know Bat Lang knows all that stuff already, but I just wanted to add to what
Bat said to clarify the situation for everyone else.

 BL>> Recently down the filebone came a new version of UniMaint.

 BL> The actual filebone FDN was Fernwood, TTBOMK just about the only
 BL> FDN still hatching OS/2 apps via the filebone?

FernWood IS just about the only FDN still hatching OS/2 files because Lody
Caenen asked Janis Kracht, the International IFDC Coordinator, to make it that
way to avoid confusion and duplication.  The 3 of us got into a discussion
about FDNs not long ago.  IMO FernWood is the best FDN because it is well
established.  It takes a lot of time to start an FDN and probably a year to
get well established and that can only happen if there is a need and no
competition.  FernWood FDN has been covering all bases for so long that most
of us do not see much need for competition.

Personally I get a lot of my OS/2 files from the OEMs or Pete Norloff's and a
few from Hobbes.  But in many cases the same file will come in via FernWood
shortly anyway.

And before someone says anything about the lapse in FernWood files, I'll
mention that Lody Caenen is back on the job after having been ill for awhile.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      19-Oct-99 23:03:17
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: Y2k

 JOHN HENTSCH,

19-Oct-99 06:45:10, JOHN HENTSCH wrote to BOB WRIGHT
 JH> On 10/17/1999 in OS/2 (F) Bob Wright wrote to John Hentsch:
          Subject: Y2k

 BW>> Unless you can convince QuickFix that you're running Warp 4
 BW>> Server, it won't install FP42.  (Warp 4 Server is actually based
 BW>> on the Warp *3* kernel, which is why it uses FP42).

 JH> That explains why Quickfix didn't work with FP42 on my Warp v3
 JH> system. Well, shoot... I'll go get the proper fixPack for Warp
 JH> v3...

FWUTILS - FW: OS/2 high-level utilities
---
B100.Zip                        10-09-99           3,747
    Allows application of the FixPaks greater than #40 to OS/2 3.0 clients.
---

That is probably the same as what Pete Norloff announced:
---
B.CMD              5K 10-01-99
 Small REXX script that patches Warp 3.0
 to allow fixpaks greater than #40. Use at
 your own risk.
---

--- Excerpt comment from B.CMD from B100.ZIP ---
What version of OS/2 is this for?
---------------------------------
This script will run on ANY OS/2 system.  However, it is intended for Warp 3.0
Blue Spine.  The reason for the Blue Spine requirement is that there are
updates made to winos2 that MAY or MAY NOT work correctly on the Red Spine
distribution and REAL windows 3.1.

Now, if you have a Warp 3.0 Red Spine installation and you DON'T use WinOS2,
then you can go ahead and use this without problems...

What it does:
-------------
This rexx script patches the OS/2 system files syslevel.os2 and syslevel.mpm
to allow the application of FixPaks greater than #40.  These two files are
located at: \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 and \MMOS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.MPM.  These
are the ONLY two files that this script touches and before it does, backups
of the originals are made to: \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2.BACKUP and
\MMOS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.MPM.BACKUP

How it does it:
---------------
By patching these two files, the CSF installer is fooled into thinking that
the target system is a LanServer 4.0 installation.
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     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Lee Aroner                                        19-Oct-99 20:33:01
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

   Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded
   on a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the
   SysLevel thing in that version?

   I've written some code to get the syslevel out of the
   \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 file for use in my programs, but I'm
   not sure how this was handled (or the file location) in versions
   prior to 3.0.

   Can anyone help me out on this?

   Thanks,

                                       LRA

___
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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  20-Oct-99 11:07:04
  To: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: Questions...

Hello Jan!

18 Oct 99 13:29, Jan Deboer wrote to All:
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place. Can anyone
 JD> recommend a good (freeware) file manager?
    VIO: File Commander(shareware, but it's a best choice), ZTreeBold. GUI:
FileFreedom, Larsen Commander.
 JD> I mean, how could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let
 JD> you move or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
    You wrong. WPS can move and rename. But it's not so easy.
 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for
 JD> Y2K troubles?
    Maybe yes.
 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install' software
 JD> for them?
    You need Fixpack floppie images, CSF (Corrective Service Facility), small
tool named diunpack for unpacking images to HDD.
 JD> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4?
    On 486/DX2-66? I think no reason. Apply at least FP36 and enjoy.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  20-Oct-99 11:13:18
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: Uninstall Programs

Hello Linda!

18 Oct 99 17:07, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?
    Uhm... In many cases no. OS/2 programms usually install self in separate
catalogs. All unistallation is: pull catalog object to shredder, pull prorgamm
folder to shredder. Some programs use EPFINST installer. The may be
uninstalled
by uninstall. Oh! Some IBM programms uses Feature Installer. For Warp 3 FI is
separate product. Obtained from IBM.

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

... How do you make Windows faster?  Throw it harder!
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From: Bat Lang                                          19-Oct-99 16:43:23
  To: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 -=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Bat Lang, [18 Oct 99  19:33:47] <=-

 AR> Bat Lang,

 AR> 17-Oct-99 23:25:24, Bat Lang wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
 AR> Subject: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BL> Affirmative! [e-mail]

 AR> What's it been now some 8 odd years that I have been trying to get you
 AR> to be a beta tester for 1 or another prgm.

 AR> Got'cha <g>

Au Contraire! I do not find 'use' and 'test' to be connected. {^;  Good
Modeming! /\oo/\


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From: Bat Lang                                          19-Oct-99 23:06:24
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 13:25:14
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

I need help in integrating JavaRunTime 1.18 into NetScape-Nav 4.61.

Last nite whilst trying to logon http://www.discovery.com/

I started to get the usual files loading activity at the bottom of the
Nav screen, when it said: "Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10 sec,
after which NS closes. So I reopen NS, go to the Java Options screen,
and unmark: "Append to the beginning of the system Classpath"
and mark: "Ignore changes to Classpath" and save those changes. Then I
reopen NS and attempt another logon as above.

At precisely the same point ("Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10 sec)
NS closes again. I reopen NS, go to the Java Options screen, and mark:
"Ignore system Classpath", save, then try another logon as above.

At precisely the same point ("Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10 sec)
NS closes again. But this time, nothing on the desktop is functional
except the mouse, and it will only move the arrow around, without any
reaction to clicks on anything. Neither Ctrl-Esc, nor Alt-Esc are
functional. So I have to do the three finger salute. This time, I don't
try to logon to 'discovery.com'. {^; But I look again at my "IBM Java
advanced properties" screen, and the "Java Path" window checks OK,
(meaning the path to JAVAI.DLL is correct = D:\JAVA11\DLL\JAVAI.DLL).

But my "Java Options" screen is blank, and that's one of the reasons I'm
here with my sad story. The "Java Classpath" and "Current Classpath" are
now as stated above, but I don't have the foggiest of how to choose
among the 12 listed settings in the "List of options" window, and I am
soliciting an opinion of these settings, given that I just have the Java
run-time, v 1.18.

I am running Warp 4 on a P200, with 80Mb RAM, under FP12. Here are some
'informants' to consider, FWIW:

---------------< cut here >-
Result of running Java -version/-fullversion

D:\OS2]java -version
JAVA.EXE version "1.1.8"

D:\OS2]java -fullversion
JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728
(JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)"

-----------------------------------------------------------

Result of running "syslevel"

D:\Java11\SYSLEVEL.JAV
Java Runtime
Version 1.18     Component ID 5639B3300
Current CSD level: XR04009
Prior   CSD level: XR04008

D:\Java11\BIN\SYSLEVEL.JEP
JEmpower J11 JNI
Version 1.10     Component ID 5639C2500
Current CSD level: XR09999
Prior   CSD level: XR04001

------------------------------------------------------------
POPUPLOG.OS2  Last entry (at the third logon try above):

10-19-1999  04:54:01  SYS3175  PID 002c  TID 0001  Slot 0068
D:\NETSKAP\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
1e3dd9d5
P1=00000001  P2=00000000  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=00000000  EBX=007c5cb0  ECX=00000000  EDX=14000000
ESI=006bca94  EDI=016ae54c
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=1f03  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
CS:EIP=005b:1e3dd9d5  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:007c598c  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=016ae470  FLG=00012206

JS3246.DLL 0001:0001d9d5
~~~~~~~~~~
---------------< cut here >-
Verifying the file underscored on the line above:

D:\NETSKAP\PROGRAM\JS3246.DLL    216867  9-16-99 18:28

BTW, this is NOT the '128 bit' version but the '40 bit', which I find
faster and better in many ways to the 128, which I lived with until
about 10 days ago, when I switched to the 40 bit, which loads faster,
and appears more willing to download large files from IBM http sites
without quitting before finished, a fault which I found with the 128 bit
version but not the 40. Well, there you have it. If you need anymore
clues, holler. I feel this problem has to do with my lack of options,
and I don't have a feel for making a reasoned choice. {^;
Thanks, as always, for any help, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Scott Jones                                       18-Oct-99 11:14:05
  To: Bat Lang                                          20-Oct-99 18:42:10
Subj: Re: WGET153

-=> On 17 Oct 99  22:23:26, Bat Lang wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> add it, as it comes in handy for other programs ported from *nix; mine,
 SJ> e.g., is f:/home), then add the following to it:
 SJ>
 SJ> dir_prefix = d:/down

 BL> I finally figured that I could also add to the comm line: -Pd:/down
 BL> which seemed to do the job. I guess I'm just not that much of bare

That works, too. :)

 BL> bones, lean mean type. I'd rather let NFTP handle it, realizing that
 BL> there are prolly instances when all that flexibility of unattended
 BL> operation et al, could be handy. It prolly feels good to an _ix type,
 BL> which I am NOT. It reminds me of the M$ tool EDLIN, which when mastered
 BL> can do things in batch files that will water most eyes. I'm not much of
 BL> an EDLIN guy either. I guess the bulk of my ftp stuff will still get
 BL> here via NFTP, recognizing that WGET is more flexible. Thanks for the
 BL> comeback.

Es de nada.  As a suggestion, a nice tool to use in conjunction with
wget is AWget, which is a daemon written in REXX that allows you to d/l
files via drag 'n drop from NS to the desktop.  I see it at Pete
Norloff's BBS as AWGT1512.ZIP.  I use it fairly regularly.  Installation
and configuration is quite easy, and it's freeware.

 BL> BTW, I already have in my CFSys file: "SET HOME=D:\NcFTP\".
 BL> Is that similar to the PATH in that it can take multiple entries,
 BL> delimited by ';'?

No, it only takes one entry.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Scott Jones                                       20-Oct-99 12:14:10
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             20-Oct-99 18:42:10
Subj: Re: Norton AV

-=> On 18 Oct 99  06:36:30, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> I tend to collect stuff like that for some unknown reason.  I was also
 SJ> looking into the possibility of using it as a remote-admin tool with
 SJ> my mother-in-law's Win machine, since I'm the pseudo-tech
 SJ> support/sysadmin person for the business she and my wife run.

 RCB> I tend to collect things, too... texts, very much texts... :)
 RCB> but not sources, why I dont have a compiler neither... :-(

Oh, I *do* have the emx compiler here, should I ever feel the
masochistic urge to learn how to program.  So far, all I've done with
it, though, is to compile the sample programs included with it to make
sure I had it set up correctly.

 SJ> The same possibilities it has in the Win world.  I see it as simply

 RCB> Bad thing... I fear that...

It's no worse than any other remote tool.  IMO, most of the fear
surrounding BO is fueled by the media.  Why?  BO does the same thing any
number of high-priced remote admin tools do.  The only difference is
that it wasn't produced by Network Associates and given a three- or
four-figure price tag.  Instead, it was written by Cult of the Dead Cow
and released under the GPL, so that any half-witted script kiddie can
get his hands on it.

 SJ> another tool that can be used for either good or bad purposes, just
 SJ> like any other.

 RCB> Ya, but it is need anyone at least average skilled, right? :)

It depends.  I would have said so with the original release of BO, but
BO2K now has a nice, pretty point and drool interface that even the
dimmest of users can almost understand, much like the rest of Windows.

 RCB> Exist many folks with bad intentions? (in the OS2 world, sure)

People with bad intentions exist everywhere.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    19-Oct-99 22:49:24
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Hello Stewart,

18 Oct 99 10:27, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:

 JdBP>> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1
 JdBP>> when the white "?? OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the
 JdBP>> option to boot to a command line.

 SH> Can I load Netscape? Can I multi-task?

As should be obvious, no, you cannot run a GUI application (like Netscape)
while running in text-mode. On any operating system. But, can you multitask?
Certainly. The GUI is *NOT* required for multitasking, unlike Windows.

 SH>  Why install the overhead of OS/2,
 SH> when I could just as easily run DOS?

Depends on how much you value stability, reliability, and multitasking,
multithreading capability.

 SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

For starters, take a look at the START and DETACH commands.


Kenneth ([e-mail])

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From: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 13:01:16
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: CAD

 Rich Wonneberger,

19-Oct-99 19:35:12, Rich Wonneberger wrote to All
 RW> *** Quoting Andy Roberts to Linda Proulx dated 10-18-99 ***
          Subject: CAD

 AR>> Bc1Eng1.Zip  02-19-97  1,318,781
 AR>>   BlueCAD  1.008 1 of 3  Computer Aided Drafting
 AR>> Bc1Eng2.Zip  02-19-97  1,337,600
 AR>>   BlueCAD  1.008 2 of 3
 AR>> Bc1Eng3.Zip  02-19-97  1,282,074
 AR>>   BlueCAD  1.008 3 of 3

 RW> Maybe someone here who uses BlueCAD can tell me if it supports a
 RW> HP-7475A Plotter

Probably so, since BlueCAD is a very complete industrial quality prgm that
includes BluePlot with both HPGL and CALCOMP formats.

For a detailed answer write to [e-mail]

 RW> How about any simple CAD program that supports the plotter??

Of all the CAD prgms, BlueCAD is the only native OS/2 prgm I would recommend.
It is fully functional ShareWare, but I paid the registration.  In fact I even
read the whole paper book manual word for word and some parts twice.  While
you can do simple things without much study, there is a lot of speed and power
that can be gained by using some of the more complex functions.  This is not
just a simple "draw" or "paint" prgm, this is CAD and all that implies.

 RW> I dont need much more then basic functions.  Single line drawing,
 RW> some text. The ability to zoom in and print a section enlarged
 RW> would be nice

BlueCAD has all that and a lot more such as layers and drag'n'drop objects.
In many ways this is similar to AutoCAD and can export/import AutoCAD files.

 RW> Of course the ability to save to disk.  :}

Yep, even in the ShareWare version.

BTW, you may find it very hard to find the full ShareWare files I have listed
above.  Although I have not checked recently most web sites like BMT-Micro
only have a demo version available.  If you want, I'll package up the whole
bunch including a few addon files and File Attach it to E-Mail to you.

There are also additional object "libraries" available from at least 2
different sources.  Unfortunately they cost so much more that I don't have
them (yet.)

I suppose it depends on what you want what to accomplish.  I use BlueCAD and
regular printers (both color and B&W) for extremely detailed and precise
construction building plans.  It sure beats doing the calculations and
combination measurements on paper by hand.  I can hide layers and enlarge some
little detail and print that out to take to the building site.  More than once
BlueCAD has found some simple little mistake in my hand sketches and tape
measure measurements, that would have caused problems later, had they got by.

Anyway IMO the Plotter probably won't be the problem.  If you have OS/2
drivers for your particular Plotter it's simple.  If all you have is WinXX
drivers then you can save the BluePlot output to a file and probably work with
that from WinXX.  Although I don't have a Plotter, I did consider taking a
BluePlot file via disk to someone who does have a Plotter.  It should be easy.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 15:14:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

 Linda Proulx,

19-Oct-99 20:06:04, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
  -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
 AR>> 17-Oct-99 18:29:21, Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx
 GH>> Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Gord Hannah,
 AR>> Subject: Warp 3 install

 LP>>> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs

 LP> Wow!!.  What a great reply!  Thanks for the information.  It is
 LP> very kind of you to do this.

You're welcome!  I don't usually reply when I know others will, but none
seemed to have the details you might need.

 AR>> ---Wptool29.Zip                    05-30-99         337,555
 AR>> Collection of INI-file and WPS maintenance tools by Henk Kelder

 LP> What is WPS?

"Work Place Shell" often casually considered to be the DeskTop.

 AR>> Sheesh... OS/2 is not all work and no games. <g>

 LP> Well one should hope so... %-)

Well OS/2 is not the dominate game platform like WinXX.  But there is enough
available to help the worker take a break.

 AR>> I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files,
 LP> What are                       ^^^^^^^^^?

AdeptXBBS is an integrated full featured (including Internet) native OS/2 BBS.
---
AdpFiles.Zip                    09-26-99          29,575
    Listing of over 320 AdeptXBBS files that use 50MB archived.
---
Mostly toys and tools to do everything a SysOp could want.  Most of very
little use to the OS/2 user who is not a SysOp.

 AR>> about 1500 files on 1 CD.  Then I can send you that CD for $10US
 AR>> (including shipping to Canada).  If you are interested, then send me
 AR>> your snail mail address via netmail.

 LP> Sounds like a good option.  But will have to happen after the New
 LP> Year.

No problem.  Just remind me later.

 LP> Until my research is done & everything ready, and OS loaded, can't
 LP> honestly say am committed to OS/2.  Would not be fair to you to prep &
 LP> get it done until I was certain I was going for it.

While it won't help you get OS/2 loaded, since Warp3 will run fine without any
FixPak, it will help you get OS/2 to be useful with a wide selection of apps,
and Y2K compliant with a recent FixPak, all of which take a lot of time to D/L
and some of which are only available on the net or CD.  This just puts them
all together for easy access.

 LP> By the by, where are you?

Luray, VA

 LP> With support of folks like you, I should have great luck.

You'll find the vast majority of OS/2 users in all the OS/2 echoes to be
mature professionals willing to help you.  Some are probably just in shock to
see a newbie in here. <g>

                 Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                              [e-mail]

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From: Jaap van.Veen                                     19-Oct-99 21:31:05
  To: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote on 18 Oct 1999 at 13:29 to All:

 JD> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
Nearly the same machine as I possess. Only with 40 instead 8 MB.
 JD> All that swapping and drive activity brought fears of early drive
 JD> failure, so memory was upped to 32Mb, and the frantic drive
 JD> activity quieted down. But then, I was only using a few Dos apps,
 JD> and began wondering what if any advantages I was getting under
 JD> OS/2, and soon I was booting up in Dos. Eventually the two 540's
 JD> were replaced by a 2.6 Gb, and W95 was installed for better
 JD> Internet performance.
 JD> But then, we bought a Pentium and the 486 sat largely unused. So, I
 JD> 'downgraded' it - pulled the 2.6 and reinstalled the old 540's, and
 JD> reinstalled Warp3. So, now I'mm re-acquianting myself with OS/2 and
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place.
 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
I use the LIST program from Vernon Buerg since ages. It is a DOS-program.
I don't know where it is available. A lot of OS/2 programs have been made
available and you will have reactions soon.
 JD> I find myself using the W3.1 file manager all the time, but it is a
 JD> pain in the butt to get to it.
 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?
Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is coming soon.
 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install'
 JD> software for them?
You can deal with the complete package that includes the install package.
 JD> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the
 JD> advantages/improvements over Warp3?
 JD> Does anybody still sell Warp4? (No luck in the clearout bins! :(
??

Jaap
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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 11:43:14
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Re: Uninstall Programs

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV> installer. The may be uninstalled by uninstall. Oh! Some IBM programms
 CV> uses Feature Installer. For Warp 3 FI is separate product. Obtained
 CV> from IBM.

Thanks for the info.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 11:45:08
  To: John Thompson                                     20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Re: Y2K

-=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 JT> corrective service facility determines that you do not have
 JT> Win-OS/2 it simply skips those parts of the fixpack.

The red bonus pack is not a fixpak as far as I know.

Linda


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From: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 08:50:27
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Questions...

On 19 Oct 99  07:18:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move or rename
 JD> files????????????!!!!!!!

 MR> They didn't.  It doesn't include a conventional file manager, for
 MR> certain. However, there's no such limitations on what you can do
 MR> with the drive objects.  You might be confused by the fact that
 MR> dragging and dropping is accomplished in OS/2 with the second
 MR> mouse button (the right one, for right-handed people).  You can
 MR> rename something by holding down the ALT key while clicking on
 MR> the title text.  There's a longer route via the property notebook
 MR> , of course.

Found a neat freeware file manager called File Freedom. End of problem.
Obviously, I wasn't the only one who thought something better was
needed!

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From: Jan Deboer                                        20-Oct-99 08:57:26
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Questions...

On 19 Oct 99  07:18:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need some 'install'
 software JD> for them?

 MR> http://ps.software.ibm.com/

 MR> Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation
 MR> facility which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all
 MR> the files are downloaded.  A couple simple questions later,
 MR> you're done.

Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

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From: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 19:06:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda!

Sunday October 17 1999 16:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:

 BW>> doesn't get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the
 BW>> booted operating system..

 LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

A good way to look at it is that the Boot Manager partition is Active, and the
DOS and Os/2 partitions are bootable. The active partition is the one that the
bios starts. Up pops a little blue screen with a list of bootable operating
systems. Right now, I've got 3. Win98, OS/2 and linux. I scroll down to the
one I want to start, and Boot Manager sends the correct signals to that
operating system, and tells it to start running.


Have a good day!!
Mike
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From: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 18:58:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

Saturday October 16 1999 18:48, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper:

 PK>> program, so you are nt prevented from sing HPFS partitions in a
 PK>> DOS box under OS/2, instead you gain by the increased performance
 PK>> of HPFS.

 LP> I thought that DOS would not see an HPFS partition.  Eg, if in a 1g
 LP> partition I use only 500 mb I have lost the rest of the drive to DOS
 LP> and that I can not put DOS or Win programs on it.

I think the best way to explain this is that if you are booted to DOS, you
can't see the HPFS partition. BUT, if you are booted to OS/2 and running it on
hpfs, DOS doesn't care. DOS programs run just fine. For a long time I liked to
use Norton commander. It's a DOS program. It won't see files that have long
file names, but for working with basic things it works fine. OS/2 provides the
translation from hpfs to DOS so that the DOS program "thinks" it is running on
a FAT partition. Many still use DOS BBS programs like RemoteAccess, Proboard,
and others. I use RA, and don't have any FAT partitions visible to it. All the
BBS stuff is on HPFS. I installed Word 6 on an HPFS partition under Winos2. It
didn't care.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: JOHN HENTSCH                                      20-Oct-99 13:41:12
  To: ANDY ROBERTS                                      20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Y2k

On 10/19/1999 in OS/2 (F) Andy Roberts wrote to John Hentsch:

AR> B100.Zip                        10-09-99           3,747
AR> Allows application of the FixPaks greater than #40 to OS/2 3.0
AR> clients. ---

Thanks for the tip, Andy. This my come in handy one day. I'll just
install Warp v3 FP40 and call it good for now. I was interested in
getting the system ready for Y2K.


jh -
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From: Jack Stein                                        19-Oct-99 10:06:14
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                20-Oct-99 21:25:24
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard:

 SH> 11 Oct 99 07:49, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Stewart
 SH> Honsberger:

 JdBP> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when
 JdBP> the white "?? OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to
 JdBP> boot to a command line.

 SH> Can I load Netscape?

Netscape is a PM application.  You can't run a PM app from OS/2 anymore than
you can run a WIN application from DOS.

 SH> Can I multi-task?

Of course, OS/2 is a multitasking OS.

 SH> When OS/2 is booted to text mode, I can't even load VModem
 SH> and a mailer window at the same time. Why install the
 SH> overhead of OS/2, when I could just as easily run DOS?

You can run all the non-pm applications you want, you just can't see them all
on the screen at the same time, and to switch to the forground/background you
need a switcher, like PGMSHELL that comes with TSHELL.

 SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

Detach a program, it will run concurrently. Grab a copy of TSHELL and run it
instead of PMSHELL for the ability to switch sessions to the
foreground/background.   I thought you said you had run TSHELL at one time?

 SH> I realize that. I believe in my explanation I detailed the
 SH> fact that resetting to VGA mode wasn't sufficient, that I
 SH> had to boot to the command line and re-apply the fixpack to
 SH> replace the display DLL's.

Your explaination was silly.  You compared OS/2 in graphics mode running
PMSHELL to UNIX in text mode, not running xwindows.  Apples and Oranges.

OS/2 multitasks fine w/o PMSHELL, and is not at all like running DOS, which is
not able to multitask, period.

I hope you get sued for slander for misrepresenting the truth:-)

                                              Jack
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From: Holger Granholm                                   19-Oct-99 19:41:00
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

In a message dated 10-17-99, Jean-michel Dossogne said to All:

JD>and on the warp connect diskette 1, I have a file called
JD>chincds1.flt, with as text in file header :
JD>This program cannot be run in a DOS session.
JD>CHINCD1     chincds1.DLL      CHINCD1 CHINON

JD>if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
JD>Any idea/workaround/suggestion?

First of all, is it an IDE or SCSI drive?

JD>sure that warp connect would be better, on a 486dx33/8mb/250mb than
JD>win3.11 and all the problems he brings with him!

Yes Warp is very good but OTOH Win3.11 is the most stable Windows GUI
that I have ever used after I increased environment space to 768.

Like a german magazine put it; Windows 3.11 seems more and more like the
VolksWagen among operating systems. It just runs and runs and runs......

However, that operating system statement is wrong, it's only a GUI on
top of DOS.

But I won't touch Win9x even with pliers.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   19-Oct-99 19:41:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-13-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Holger Granholm:

 CV>>    2) Use LXLite 1.21 to compress DLL's and execs
 HG> Where can that program be found?
CV>    Hmmm... look for lxlt121.zip. On HOBBES for example

Yes, thank you. I have already got it.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 13:41:06
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> No it won't.  Drive letters only get into the picture when you get to
 RJT> the point where you're booting an OS,  and by that time BM is out of
 RJT> the picture.

Oh.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 13:44:25
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

-=> Stephen Haffly wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 SH> Warp 4 only comes in one flavor, which is the equivalent of Warp 3
 SH> Connect, Blue spine.  IBM decided to simplify things when they released
 SH> OS/2 Warp 4.

I thought that there was a Warp 4 Connect as well.

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 13:47:21
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: What Need ?

Greetings,

I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed as
in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.

What should I be looking for in this context?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 13:53:21
  To: Holger Quander                                    20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Holger Quander wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

WOW!  What a great list!

 LP> Suggestions for freeware/shareware, programs one would not live with
 LP> OS/2 without.

What is 'emacs' ?

 HQ> and many more... feel free to ask ,-)

And I will, once I figure out what I could use.

Decisions, decisions.....

Sometimes I think I love playing with setting up more than using %-)

And if you find a REALLY good program, let me know.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 15:11:13
  To: All                                               20-Oct-99 23:35:14
Subj: More Questions

Greetings,

Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this drive
for the Warp swap file?  Can a ram disk be used?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Will Honea                                        20-Oct-99 22:58:01
  To: Bat Lang                                          20-Oct-99 22:58:01
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

Bat Lang wrote to All on 10-19-1999

Bat,I just checked that site - loaded and ran fine here.  I have the
128 bit 4.61 GA, fp12  JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build
o118-19990910 (JIT enabled: javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990910)"

NS settings are:

"enter the full path to javai.dll"
E:\JAVA11\DLL\JAVAI.DLL

"ignore changes to classpath" is checked

f:\jstreet\innoval.jar;e:\java11\lib\classes.zip (not that it matters
-I have JStreet mailer running)

All other fields are blank or un-checked and I have the JIT enabled.

 9-16-99  6:28p       216,867      0 a---  JS3246.DLL

This is the Java update I got from the Hursley site but I doubt that
is the problem.  BTW, the above java directory is also specified on the
libpath line in config.sys.  Can't see the problem.  Have you tried any
other Java apps or sites? You might also try to 'nojit' option under
the Java options.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        20-Oct-99 23:27:02
  To: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 23:27:02
Subj: Cad

Andy Roberts wrote to Rich Wonneberger on 10-20-1999

Andy, I found at least 15 ftp sites that have all 3 files, about the
same size (Whoops, just checked the d/l and the files I got are all a
few k larger than what you report, for all the good that does).  These
zips all have 1996 files dates with the files inside having mostly
12/96 or 1/96 dates. What are the dates on your executables and/or the
version number for what you have?  I'm getting a bit tired of AutoCad 11
and the hassles with video!  If your version has later executables and
dll's than 1/96 I'd sure like to try a copy if I could impose upon you.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  20-Oct-99 20:07:03
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: Re: Newbie

*** Quoting Linda Proulx to Kenneth Abrams dated 10-19-99 ***
> But I'm installing on a system with DOS.  & if I use Partition Magic
> before the install, the BM partition will have a drive letter.

BM does not get assigned a drive letter.
The next partition (DOS in your case) will still be C:

Rich
I-Net   [e-mail]


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From: Rich Wonneberger                                  20-Oct-99 21:38:19
  To: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: CAD

Andy,

Sounds like you use BC quite a bit.

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-20-99 ***
> For a detailed answer write to [e-mail]

Just sent it out.  I figure it was time to set up messaging in Netscrape.
Funny part, it only took a minute & I sent the message the first try.  Getting
mail even worked the first try.

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-20-99 ***
> In many ways this is similar to AutoCAD and can export/import AutoCAD
> files.

You just made my day..  :}
I dont have to re-do my AutoCad files.  There not much, but I have a lot of
time invested in them.

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-20-99 ***
> only have a demo version available.  If you want, I'll package up the
> whole
> bunch including a few addon files and File Attach it to E-Mail to you.

That would be great.  I think I can take 10 meg e-mail befor my ISP squawks.
I can also freq them over the weekend if its easier for you.  (weekend $$
rate)

*** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-20-99 ***
> Anyway IMO the Plotter probably won't be the problem.  If you have OS/2
> drivers for your particular Plotter it's simple.  If all you have is
> WinXX
> drivers then you can save the BluePlot output to a file and probably
> work with
> that from WinXX.  Although I don't have a Plotter, I did consider

DRIVERS??
Ya know I didnt even think about that..  I azzumed the plotter being a serial
device the CAD program would use the com port.  I havent even connected it
actually, I just saved it from death at work.  So far, the test print is the
only thing I have done, so I'm hopefull it works.  There's another there but
its missing the pen drum, so I may still be able to get parts.  If I had room
& a way to get it home there's a big floor model (5 ft wide) also going out.

Thanks for the help
Rich
I-Net   [e-mail]


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From: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 20:42:03
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Hello Stewart!

Monday October 18 1999 10:27, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Jonathan de Boyne
Pollard:

 JdBP>> option to boot to a command line.

 SH> Can I load Netscape? Can I multi-task?
         no                  yes

 SH> When OS/2 is booted to text mode, I can't even load VModem and a
 SH> mailer window at the same time. Why install the overhead of OS/2, when
 SH> I could just as easily run DOS?

 SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

Easy..

Start /b myprogram
Start /b next program
start /b and so on.....

Then use ALT-ESC to switch between them.

Works for me..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 20:46:09
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: Newbie

Hello Rodrigo!

Monday October 18 1999 06:36, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Bob Wright:


 BW>> WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS
 BW>> nnn Mb None            D:Logical       FAT
 BW>> None            E:Logical       FAT
 BW>> OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            G:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            H:Logical       NTFS

 RB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,

Not hard at all. The logical partitions are in an extended partition. You can
only have 4 primary partition on one drive. By using an extended partition as
one of those, you can put 'logical' drive until you run out of drive letters.

 RB> I presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

 RB> Or OS/2 dont have this limit?

Yes. it is limited to 24 'drives' or 26 if you include a: and b:

Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: Mike Roark                                        19-Oct-99 20:52:08
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: E-Mail servers??

Hello Jack!

Sunday October 17 1999 15:41, Jack Pfisterer wrote to Russell Tiedt:

 RT>> it, and my experience with sendmail on Linux has so far not
 RT>> been good.

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace of
 JP> documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

 JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?  Running
 JP> it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as arguments produces
 JP> quite uninformative error messages.  "Help Sendmail" produces a
 JP> "topic not found" error message.

The closest thing to 'help' is in the sendmail.hf and cf files. It looks to be
a port of the *nix version. Of course, you could always get the Sams book on
sendmail. It is a rather large one from what I've seen.. ;(


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             20-Oct-99 08:11:15
  To: Tony Pater                                        21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: faxworks

 -=> Quoting Tony Pater to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 TP> Rodrigo....

Tony!

 TP> It certainly is possible; just have to type your message into the
 TP> notes part as I recall. I've used it prior to purchasing

Notes? I dont have the soft 'Notes'.

 TP> The version provided free with OS/2 is the 'lite' version and doesn't
 TP> have the ability to import text from another file, etc.

Hmmm... It is bad...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Java virus coming soon!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             20-Oct-99 08:11:16
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: StarOffice

Hi all!

How to make a StarOffice uninstall?

Why this question?

My problem is: HTML files are ALWAYS linked to SO on click at WPS.

I dont be fooled by tricks, I used Assoc Edit by Mr Kelder.

Conclusion: I need to delete SO/2.

This is only way, I see...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... MSX? MicroSoft eXtended? I understand why it is dead.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         18-Oct-99 08:27:22
  To: Holger Granholm                                   21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: HOBBES.TXT

 HG> I have since examined every version of the browser I have and the
 HG> hobbes.txt file has not come with any version. I can only suppose
 HG> that the file has been sent from NMSU while I have been connected.

It's a log file of the underlying FTP connection.  Connect with the FTP client
utility supplied with OS/2 Warp, and you'll see the text appear in the status
message returned when you log on to the FTP server.

 » JdeBP «

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From: Dirk Stuijfzand                                   18-Oct-99 00:09:00
  To: John Angelico                                     21-Oct-99 06:19:18
Subj: Computer History

On 11-10-1999, John Angelico wrote to Sean Dennis:

JA> F'r instance, yours truly was programming assembler, COBOL and FORTRAN on
JA> an ICL 1900-series mainframe before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

I thought that I was old with my BTL (Business Transaction Language)
programming experience on the ICL 15xx intelligent terminal in 1979.
Boy I was happy to have a real 2.5MB hard disk on this otherwise
16k RAM US$ 25k machine..

Hand written source code on inches of real paper typed in on a screen
with 8 lines * 32 characters.  The system however took 4 lines and one
line of sourcecode needed 2 lines so you could actually see 2
sourcelines at a time. Had to memorize the whole program...

(Now we get the OS/2 users who punched cards in the past to enter data
into computers)


Dirk
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From: Linda Proulx                                      20-Oct-99 18:06:23
  To: All                                               21-Oct-99 06:34:22
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

Greetings,

Running Warp 3 Red

Regular 3rd party uninstall programs will uninstall Win programs?

Running Warp 3 Blue

Do I need the 3rd party uninstall or will it uninstall thru Warp?

What DOS or WIN programs have not worked with either 3 or 4 in your
experience?

Is there a paper saver type printing program for Warp?

Anon,

Linda

... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
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From: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 19:53:04
  To: Bat Lang                                          21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 Bat Lang,

19-Oct-99 16:43:46, Bat Lang wrote to Andy Roberts
 AR>> 17-Oct-99 23:25:24, Bat Lang wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
 AR>> Subject: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BL>> Affirmative! [e-mail]

 AR>> What's it been now some 8 odd years that I have been trying to
 AR>> get you to be a beta tester for 1 or another prgm.

 AR>> Got'cha <g>

 BL> Au Contraire! I do not find 'use' and 'test' to be connected. {^;

We forgot to mention JdeBP's 32-bit CMD is still beta, which implies "test"
and feedback along with "use".  Otherwise you just have to wait until it's
done and released as GA.

BTW, your hasty E-Mail response to my "Welcome aboard" with "I just jumped
ship!!" sets a new record for the fastest escape.  Only the Warp4 transporter
is that fast. <g>

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      20-Oct-99 20:35:05
  To: Bat Lang                                          21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

 Bat Lang,

19-Oct-99 23:06:48, Bat Lang wrote to All
          Subject: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

 BL> I need help in integrating JavaRunTime 1.18 into NetScape-Nav
 BL> 4.61.

 BL> Last nite whilst trying to logon http://www.discovery.com/

That works for me.

 BL> I started to get the usual files loading activity at the bottom of
 BL> the Nav screen, when it said: "Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10
 BL> sec, after which NS closes.

That did not happen here.

I got 2 popups about sending a cookie to any server and said "cancel" to both.

Under the NetScape setting for "Cookies" I have:
"Accept only cookies that get sent back to the originating server."
and
"Warn me before accepting any cookie."

 BL> So I reopen NS, go to the Java Options screen, and unmark: "Append to
 BL> the beginning of the system Classpath" and mark: "Ignore changes to
 BL> Classpath" and save those changes. Then I reopen NS and attempt another
 BL> logon as above.

I have "Ignore changes to Classpath" and that must have been default, since I
don't remember ever changing it.

 BL> At precisely the same point ("Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10
 BL> sec) NS closes again. I reopen NS, go to the Java Options screen,
 BL> and mark: "Ignore system Classpath", save, then try another logon
 BL> as above.

 BL> At precisely the same point ("Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10
 BL> sec) NS closes again. But this time, nothing on the desktop is
 BL> functional except the mouse, and it will only move the arrow
 BL> around, without any reaction to clicks on anything. Neither
 BL> Ctrl-Esc, nor Alt-Esc are functional. So I have to do the three
 BL> finger salute.

I've never had that problem on this machine, but I have seen it on another.

 BL> This time, I don't try to logon to 'discovery.com'. {^; But I look again
 BL> at my "IBM Java advanced properties" screen, and the "Java Path" window
 BL> checks OK, (meaning the path to JAVAI.DLL is correct =
 BL> D:\JAVA11\DLL\JAVAI.DLL).

Exactly the same here in NetScape.

Wow, I just noticed something really odd here.  Here NetScape shows that as
the D: partition, but in reality I don't have D:\JAVA11\ I have F:\JAVA11\ on
my HD.  Nowhere in my Config.sys does "java" show up on D: always F:.  I know
many months ago I changed where Java11 was located and did the 1.1.8 and the
4.61 upgrade after that.  Appearantly that old path was left over and never
had any adverse effect.  Actually if anything my NetScape and Java have been
solid as a rock on this machine all along.  I might add that my OS is on D:,
but even that is an anomaly, since it was installed on C: and I manually
edited all the necessary files to move it intact to D: about a year ago.

 BL> But my "Java Options" screen is blank,

Exactly the same here.

 BL> and that's one of the reasons I'm here with my sad story. The "Java
 BL> Classpath" and "Current Classpath" are now as stated above,

"Current Classpath" (near the bottom of that window) and in Config.sys =
F:\NETSCAPE\NJCLASS.ZIP;F:\JAVAOS2\LIB\JEMPCL10.ZIP;.\.;
F:\JAVA11\LIB\SecMa.jar;F:\Java11\swing\swing.jar;

I didn't see where you posted yours.  So you might check it.

 BL> but I don't have the foggiest of how to choose among the 12 listed
 BL> settings in the "List of options" window, and I am soliciting an opinion
 BL> of these settings, given that I just have the Java run-time, v 1.18.

Choose none of them.  1 of them is already default.

 BL> I am running Warp 4 on a P200, with 80Mb RAM, under FP12. Here are
 BL> some 'informants' to consider, FWIW:

Here I have Warp4 on a P200i with 64MB RAM, under FP9.

 BL> ---------------< cut here >--
 BL> Result of running Java version/-fullversion

 BL> D:\OS2]java -version
 BL> JAVA.EXE version "1.1.8"

 BL> D:\OS2]java -fullversion
 BL> JAVA.EXE full version "JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-19990728 (JIT enabled:
 BL> javax V3.5-IBMJDK1.1-19990728)"
 BL> -----------------------------------------------------------

Mine is exactly the same as yours.

-<snipped some details>-

 BL> BTW, this is NOT the '128 bit' version but the '40 bit', which I
 BL> find faster and better in many ways to the 128, which I lived with
 BL> until about 10 days ago, when I switched to the 40 bit, which
 BL> loads faster, and appears more willing to download large files
 BL> from IBM http sites without quitting before finished, a fault
 BL> which I found with the 128 bit version but not the 40. Well, there
 BL> you have it. If you need anymore clues, holler. I feel this
 BL> problem has to do with my lack of options, and I don't have a feel
 BL> for making a reasoned choice.

Humm... I have the 128-bit version now.  I had the 40-bit version before.
Years ago I found the 128-bit version more stable.  Neither version has ever
given me any problem with D/L.  And they both seems about equal in speed.

Sorry about my little path jumble confusion.  Check your ClassPath.  I thought
you might find my setup interesting, since we have similar systems including
the old original Matrox.  If everyone's system, Matrox, NetScape and Java were
as solid as mine is, then there would be almost no complaints at all.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Gord Hannah                                       20-Oct-99 19:31:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Linda Proulx 1:348/807 to Andy Roberts,

About Re: Warp 3 install, On Tue Oct 19 1999

 AR> Wptool29.Zip                    05-30-99         337,555
 AR>     Collection of INI-file and WPS maintenance tools by Henk Kelder


 AR> I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files, then I can get all the
LP>                            What are^^^^^^^^^?

AdeptxBBS is a BBS package specifically written for the OS/2 environment.
Great stuff I am running it here.

LP> to prep & get it done until I was certain I was going for it.  By
LP> the by, where are you?

Andy is in Virginia, USA.  Happens to be a good friend of mine.

 AR>      Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts

LP> With support of folks like you, I should have great luck.

Some of us should be able to help you out.  We each have our forte'.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
[e-mail]
Gord
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Table Partitions

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RJT> There's a shareware partition-resizer program out there,  the copy I
 RJT> have here is presz120.zip,  which has an *excellent* doc file that
 RJT> explains all of this in detail,  if you want to know more about it.

NEAT! =)

I searched the keyword "presz" in "allfiles" of Leo & Hobbes.

Nothing.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Kerosene, the best accelerator for Windows.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RJT> The "S" indicates that the part is capable of "synchronous" operation,
 RJT> which means that instead of start and stop bits it uses other means
 RJT> for the two ends to coordinate their operations.  Since you aren't
 RJT> sending those extra bits for each byte getting transferred,  it's
 RJT> faster.

NEAT!!!

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Just say NO! to Micro$lo$h Windows.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Leonard Erickson                                  21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Leonard Erickson to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LE> You do pay for this. Anytime a new byte isn't ready to be sent in
 LE> time, you have to add a "dummy" byte to maintain synch. And usually,
 LE> you dedicate one byte value to this, and have to use some sort of
 LE> escape char to actually send that value. Even so, synch is still faster
 LE> than async.
 LE> synch links tend to be *inherently* bi-directional also.

 LE> The main reason I'm interested in synch links is because I've got a
 LE> pair of CSU/DSU units that can do 56k if connected to a sync
 LE> interface, and only 19.2k if hooked to an async one.

Interesting!! Neat, truely... 8)
Part2: Driver for OS/2?!
Where may be found this type of modem?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Bagpipe: A flute built to government specifications.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Jack Stein                                        21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: File Managers

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 JS> So, the objectid of my BBS is <OPUS_BBS>  so from a REXX script I can
 JS> call the above function, passing it "OPUS_BBS" and my DOS BBS will
 JS> start with all the DOS_SETTINGS exactly as if I clicked on my BBS ICON.
 JS> This can then be automated to run unattended.  I can also shut down
 JS> applications, restart them and do other various things without being
 JS> here.

Hmmm... Nice. Hobbes have something to help with this, I think.

The filenames are like ?o.zip, right?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... HAL 9000: "Help me, Dave.  I can't run under Windows."

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 -=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> Yeah, there are. But what version you have? My zip is internal.
 LP> SCSI external.

Speedy, I suppose.

 RCB> Exist driver for syquest, I think... at somewhere in the net...
 LP> Ah... but where?

I checked it now & it is at http://www.syquest.com

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... "Whoever controls the Energy, controls the World."

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Warp 3 install

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 -=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> But you dont LOST 500MB, you USED 500MB!
 LP> It's the left over 500 MB I'm talking about.

I have 433MB allocated & 10MB (not in allocated meaning) for DOS. =)

(obs: 433MB *only* for prgs & email & files not-zipped)

 RCB> sister). The absolute majority is OS2 progies, &
 LP> Which ones?

pmmail, ns 2.02/4.61, albatros, assocedit, bigben2 v2,
boxer 7.5c, bw/2 2.30, cdp/2, conversion pro, ww, fc/2,
galleria, pmview, midi jukebox (rexx), ls (dir of linux),
hp41/48 emulator, icontool, killfold, lcmd, lens, listpm,
mainactor, med, megaclip (works well with ns!), mikmod,
minall/2, mixomat, newpad, npswps, playboy, tasklisthide,
top v2.01, tzcalc, vlaunch, nftp, warpamp, onscreen/2,
xfile (addon for wps), zipcontrol, zoc, z! & some more..

Only these are: 44. neat. B} Questions, please ask me.

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Titanic'12 - NYSE'29 - Hiroshima'45 - Tshernobyl'86 -  Windows'98

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Partitions

 -=> Quoting Lawrence R. Mintz to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 LRM> The limit is 4 *primary* partitions.  The above has *two* primaries,
 LRM> one labelled C: and the other is an extended partition containing
 LRM> numerous logical drives.  The limit on logical drives is simply the
 LRM> letters of the alphabet (for drive designations) left over after all
 LRM> the primary partitions have been assigned.  That is true for DOS, all
 LRM> flavors of Windows and OS/2.

Thanks by the explanation!

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... *    <- Tribble          <- Stealth Tribble

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Partitions

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 CV> Hello Rodrigo!

Hi Cyrill!

 RB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
 CV> 4 _primary_.

mmmm... Now I see why...

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... MSX? MicroSoft eXtended? I understand why it is dead.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:07:29
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Y2K

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 RCB> Warp4 dont have this difference, anymore, right?

 RJT> As far as I know,  yes.  (I don't have warp 4 here,  only warp
 RJT> connect.)

Warp4 is much more uniform then... Do you agree?

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Dawn: The time of day when people with computers go to bed.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:08:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Y2K

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV> 13 Oct 99 15:08, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Is Warp 3 Y2ked or is there a patch?
 CV> You need fixpack 35 or greater.

My FP is 38 then my system is y2k compliant. 8)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Instant Human: Just add coffee!

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:08:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Newbie

 -=> Quoting Cyrill Vakhneyev to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV> The great software collection resides at www://hobbes.nmsu.edu or

I dont think so. I believe is http://hobbes.nmsu.edu... P-)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... "Insert tab A into slot B, Agitate violently....aaaaAHH!!!"

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 04:08:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 06:53:07
Subj: Y2K

 -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Linda Proulx <=-

 RJT> There is (though I don't know what it is),  but it's *huge*.  We're
 RJT> talking about a download that would last for several hours...

Ya, my dl was of 7 hours... multitask is goooood for this... 8)

== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

... Every huge program has a small program trying to get out.

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 00:41:20
  To: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 09:08:02
Subj: Re: UniMaint ???

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Bat Lang <=-

 AR> Personally I get a lot of my OS/2 files from the OEMs or Pete Norloff's

And these are?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 00:50:22
  To: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 09:08:03
Subj: Re: Y2k

-=> Will Honea wrote to John Hentsch <=-


 WH> Anyone can download it - it's your nickle - but the installer checks
 WH> for products to service and FP 41+ will not recognize Warp 3 or Warp
 WH> Connect and eligible.  There is a hack floating about that will gimmick

Why won't it recognise W 3/4 (assume W Connect is 4 connect).  What is
eligible?


WH> the syslevel.os2 file so that the installer thinks you have Warp Server

FP 41+ for Warp 4  or Warp 4 Server only?  What diff between Connect &
Server?

 WH> but as above: it's your nickle.  Not a legal or supported
 application

What makes it legal?

Why would one want FP 40 + to Warp 3?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 00:55:12
  To: Mike Roark                                        21-Oct-99 09:08:03
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 MR> Hello Linda!

 MR> Sunday October 17 1999 16:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:

 BW>> doesn't get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the
 BW>> booted operating system..

 LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

 MR> A good way to look at it is that the Boot Manager partition is Active,
 MR> and the DOS and Os/2 partitions are bootable. The active partition is

I understand this, but I'll be playing with partitions before I even
load OS/2.

 MR> of bootable operating systems. Right now, I've got 3. Win98, OS/2 and
 MR> linux. I scroll down to the one I want to start, and Boot Manager sends

And very large hard drives. %)


Anon,

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 00:59:13
  To: Murray Lesser                                     21-Oct-99 09:08:03
Subj: Re: Uninstall Programs

-=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 ML>     3)  As a last resort, there are third-party OS/2 "uninstall"
 ML> utilities, although I have never used one.  One such came as part of my
 ML> UniMaint desktop maintenance set of programs.

Thank you for your comprehensive reply.  I appreciate it.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 01:09:07
  To: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 09:08:03
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 AR> You're welcome!  I don't usually reply when I know others will, but
 AR> none seemed to have the details you might need.

And I do appreciate it.

 AR> Well OS/2 is not the dominate game platform like WinXX.  But there is
 AR> enough available to help the worker take a break.

Not really a game player but solitare is fun.


 AR> AdeptXBBS is an integrated full featured (including Internet) native
 AR> OS/2 BBS. ---

Wow.  A sysop.  I appreciate sysops.

 AR> take a lot of time to D/L and some of which are only available on the
 AR> net or CD.  This just puts them all together for easy access.

And I will want it then.

 LP> By the by, where are you?

 AR> Luray, VA

Not that far away from here.


 AR> You'll find the vast majority of OS/2 users in all the OS/2 echoes to
 AR> be mature professionals willing to help you.  Some are probably just in
 AR> shock to see a newbie in here. <g>

Well finally getting a board that can run it.  If I can ever get to
someone with Inet, do you allow telnet to your bbs?

Anon,

Linda


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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Oct-99 21:08:20
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK> The "BLUE" flavour of Windows is only Windows 3.1, it is NOT Windows
 PK> 3.11. However this is not a problem, because the
 PK> networking support of

 LP> I thought that the Win code in W4W was more stable & that it's not just
 LP> the networking part.

This whole issue is actually quite complicated, however in general terms,
Windows 3.1 is Windows with NO NETWORKING Support. Windows 3.11 is 3.1 WITH
NETWORKING support (W4WG). Because 3.11 was released AFTER 3.1 it included
updates to the base 3.1 code as well. Because OS/2 Warp 3 Connect (BLUE)
includes all the networking required by the Windows environment, none of the
Windows Networking extras are needed or provided, so it really is just a
Win3.1 environment.

The catch with Windows 3.1 or 3.11 is that like a lot of MS S/W you are never
really sure WHICH version of 3.11 you are getting.....;-) Over the years I
have seen at least 3 different sets of Win 3.11 diskettes all labelled as
Win3.11, and by direct comparison it is possible to see that the diskettes
contains some files with different dates and sizes. So it is likely that when
it was released, Win3.11 included updates to the base Win 3.1 code as well as
Networking Support.
The Windows code supplied with Warp 3 Blue pack was the absolute latest Win
3.1 (or Win 3.11) version available that IBM had, and THEN it was modified to
work better in an OS/2 environment. It is not possible to remove the Windows
environment from OS/2 Warp BLUE pack and have it run by itself, some of the
essential Windows files are modified to work ONLY with OS/2.

I hope this helps to explain things........pk.

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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Oct-99 21:10:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,


 PK> Native DOS can't access an HPFS partition without
 PK> using a device driver that can do this, but DOS
 PK> session run under OS/2 can see just about ANY

 LP> And the driver is & I can get it where?

I have never had the need for them so i have never tried them, but I am aware
of a DOS HPFS driver called HPFSR16E that allowed READ ONLY access to HPFS
partitions from native DOS, and another that I heard of called HPFSDS04 that I
understand could also WRITE to HPFS, however you need to be aware of SERIOUS
limitations with doing this.

Compared to FAT, HPFS is quite a complex storage method and it consumes a LOT
of memory to hold the HPFS partition structures required to allow READ/WRITE
operations to take place. The drivers are quite small (<50Kb), but they need a
LOT of memory to work.

To allow DOS to read HPFS, the driver requires a total of about 250Kb of
memory. To WRITE to an HPFS partition requires a lot more, something like
420KB, so in most cases, reading and writing to HPFS from DOS is just not
really practical for productive work.

The OS/2 install notes suggest that even under OS/2, the HPFS driver requires
considerable memory and should not really be used on a memory constrained
system (if you have about 4MB or less). My figures are from memory so you
would need to check, but in real terms, running full HPFS access from DOS is
not really practical (IMHO), except in extreme emergency situations.

Cheers.......pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Oct-99 20:42:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

Hi Linda,

-=> Stephen Haffly wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 SH> Warp 4 only comes in one flavor, which is the equivalent of Warp 3
 SH> Connect, Blue spine.  IBM decided to simplify things when they  SH>
released OS/2 Warp 4.

 LP> I thought that there was a Warp 4 Connect as well.

No, from a packaging perspective, Warp 4 is the equivalent to Warp 3 Connect
Blue pack, everything in the one package...........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Oct-99 20:45:11
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: What Need ?

Hi Linda,

 LP> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed as
 LP> in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.

 LP> What should I be looking for in this context?

If I read your question correctly, you are talking about APPLICATION .DLL
files that are NOT part of the Operating System. These are not provided with
OS/2 just the same as they are not provided with Windows...

Regards..........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     21-Oct-99 20:50:28
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: More Questions

Hi Linda,

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

Not in its native state. There is a project under way (ODIN32) that provides a
way to allow Win32 code to run under OS/2, but I am not sure what the current
status of this is.

 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this drive
 LP> for the Warp swap file?

To access a Doublespace Disk you would need an OS/2 driver to be able to read
that disk. That disk CANNOT be your OS/2 boot disk. I am not aware of any such
driver being available. As such you cannot use it for the SWAP file.

 LP> Can a ram disk be used?

Yes, I use one on the BBS. The driver is called VDISK and is located in the
\OS2\BOOT directory.

Cheers.........pk.


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From: Bat Lang                                          21-Oct-99 00:17:15
  To: Scott Jones                                       21-Oct-99 10:23:01
Subj: WGET153

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Bat Lang, [18 Oct 99  11:14:10] <=-

 SJ> As a suggestion, a nice tool to use in conjunction with
 SJ> wget is AWget, which is a daemon written in REXX that allows you to
 SJ> d/l files via drag 'n drop from NS to the desktop.  I see it at Pete
 SJ> Norloff's BBS as AWGT1512.ZIP.  I use it fairly regularly.
 SJ> Installation and configuration is quite easy, and it's freeware.

I seldom (read: almost never) resort to drag 'n drop since I never use a
gui to do a text kind of job. I always prefer text type tools to GUI,
which is why I like NFTP, OS2C et al. I don't even own a mouse. {^;

 BL> BTW, I already have in my CFSys file: "SET HOME=D:\NcFTP\".
 BL> Is that similar to the PATH in that it can take multiple entries,
 BL> delimited by ';'?

 SJ> No, it only takes one entry.

That seems short sighted of OS/2. I have seen several pgms that asked
for that entry for THEIR pgm. Does that mean multiple entries of
SET HOME=<whatever>. ??  Thanks, as always for your good counsel.
Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


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From: Preston Smith                                     21-Oct-99 06:40:06
  To: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Drive Problems

Hello Will!

Tuesday October 19 1999 21:14, Will Honea wrote to Preston Smith:

 WH> Preston Smith wrote to Will Honea on 05-12-1999

 PS>> Hello Will!
 PS>>
 PS>> Wednesday May 12 1999 00:05, Will Honea wrote to Preston Smith:
 PS>>

 WH> Man! did someone ever sit on the pipe! Methinks this (and a few
 WH> others) got really fouled up - or Murphy implemented Y2K a tad early
 WH> <g>

Are you saying you just received this message?

It took longer than the Jules Verne gang took to circumnavigate the world to
get to you.

Preston

Preston ([e-mail])

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From: Stewart Honsberger                                21-Oct-99 10:33:00
  To: Jack Stein                                        21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

19 Oct 99 10:06, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:

This, and all other responses about multi-tasking are completely
irrelevant, and 100% non-helpful.

I use OS/2 as a personnal desktop machine. I use a VIO ICQ client, a PM
web browser, a PM e-mail client, a VIO MP3 player, etc.. etc.. etc..

Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I want to be able to use my
4 MB EDO S3 Virge/DX video card with OS/2 Warp 4 without my system
crashing when I get to a DOS prompt. Unless anybody can help me with
this problem, rather than going off on a tangeant about booting to text
mode, please do not respond.

Stewart Honsberger,
  [e-mail]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 15:57:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

19 Oct 99 20:52, Linda Proulx wrote to Cyrill Vakhneyev:
 CV>>     Welcome to netmail
 LP> I'm not certail what you mean by that.
    Can you send letter to fidonet address (2:5053/7.1 for example)? Or to
[e-mail]?

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 16:42:07
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: What Need ?

Hello Linda!

20 Oct 99 13:47, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed
 LP> as in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.
    Don't understand... :( Be more simply

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 16:43:02
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: More Questions

Hello Linda!

20 Oct 99 15:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?
    No. Only some earlier win32 apps such a PhotoShop 3.0. OS2 API and Win32
API uses incompatible methods of memory allocation.
 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.
    No. I knew 2 disk compression programs for OS/2. Good old Stacker. But it
work only on FAT. And ZipStream File System. This works on any disk.
 LP> Can I use this drive for the Warp swap file?
    No of course.
 LP>   Can a ram disk be used?
    Yes. You can use VDISK from distribution as static RAM disk or RAMFS
(freeware) as dynamically allocated RAM disk or SVDISK(shareware or cracked)
as
dynamically allocated RAM disk and virtual floppy drive (very useable feature
for some stupid distributives). I think there are more than three RAM drive
drivers are present in universe.
    Ooops? Can be used for what? For swap? No. Maybe if you install a lot of
memory (128 or more megz)

Bye!
Cyrill                                [Team OS/2 CV004]

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       20-Oct-99 09:17:00
  To: BAT LANG                                          21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

Some senseless babbling from Bat Lang to All
on 10-19-99  23:06 about NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18...

 BL> I need help in integrating JavaRunTime 1.18 into NetScape-Nav 4.61.

 BL> Last nite whilst trying to logon http://www.discovery.com/

 BL> I started to get the usual files loading activity at the bottom of the
 BL> Nav screen, when it said: "Loading Java" then a pause of ~5-10 sec,
 BL> after which NS closes. So I reopen NS, go to the Java Options screen,
 BL> and unmark: "Append to the beginning of the system Classpath"
 BL> and mark: "Ignore changes to Classpath" and save those changes. Then I
 BL> reopen NS and attempt another logon as above.
[snip]

I have the 128-bit version, but the Java version is the same, and the
discovery.com site loaded without problems.

Here's the classpath that Netscape is using (it's also ignoring any
changes):

G:\javaos2\lib\jempcl10.zip;I:\JAVA11\Swing\swingall.jar;.\.;
I:\JAVA11\ICATJAVA\DAEMON\JAVAPROB.ZIP;I:\JAVA11\LIB\SecMa.jar;
i:\java11\lib\comm.jar;

Note that it's one line, which is joined at the semicolons.  G: is the OS/2
boot drive, and I: is the drive that Java is installed on (all parts except
what had to be on the boot drive).

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


... A cat will always sit on whatever it is you're trying to read or copy.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       21-Oct-99 08:01:00
  To: MURRAY LESSER                                     21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: HPFS info quest

Some senseless babbling from Murray Lesser to Mike Ruskai
on 10-19-99  08:56 about HPFS info quest...

 ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 10-18-99, Mike Ruskai to All)

 ML> Hi Mike--

 MR>I'm attempting to gather information on how the size of a drive
 >correlates with the HPFS system area.

 ML> ...much deleted

 MR>Is CHKDSK incorrect, or is there something big that I'm missing?

 ML> Download the latest version of the DFSEE utility from your
 ML> friendly BBS and see if that will help you.  Here is a quotation from
 ML> the introduction to the doc file of an early 1999 version (DFSEE294)
 ML> that might give you some ideas as to what is covered in the utility:

 ML> "The DFSee program is a disk and filesystem browser with an emphasis
 ML> on the HPFS and FAT filesystems, disk partitioning and some NTFS.  It
 ML> will support different file-systems sometime in the future.
[snip]

I downloaded the program (dfsee307.zip), but haven't yet spent the time
to figure out how to use it.

What I did instead was write a program to traverse the freespace bitmaps on
the drive "manually", and count up the free sectors that way.  On every
drive in my system, the result was that DosQueryFSInfo() returned 4096
sectors too few in free space.  The reported free space is firm, however,
when attempting to write to the drive.  The write fails at that value, not
the value computed by tallying the freespace bitmaps.

So it would seem that there's a bug somewhere in the chain that eats 2MB of
space when using HPFS.  The number isn't related to drive geometry, either.
The one drive is addressed with 63 sectors per track, and 64 tracks per
cylinder (heads).  Another is 63 sectors per track, but 16 tracks per
cylinder.

I'd like to release the free space checker for others to use, to see if the
space loss is universal, but I'm not sure how to handle drives greater than
4GB.  The free space bitmap list is four sectors, which is enough room for
4GB worth of free space bitmaps.  There's also a spare bitmap sector list
in the SuperBlock, but I don't know if it's also four sectors long, or if
there's another way to determine its length.  If the former, then yet
another run of free space bitmap locations must be somewhere, else HPFS
would die at 8GB.  That would mean figuring out that sucker's location.  If
the latter, it'd be easier, provided I knew how to determine the length of
the list.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


... As I feared, you have no sense of humor.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 12:35:19
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Table Partitions

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RCB> I searched the keyword "presz" in "allfiles" of Leo & Hobbes.

 RCB> Nothing.

 RCB> == Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == [e-mail] ==

Try sending an email to [e-mail] and putting get presz*
in the body of the message.  You'll need a uudecoder to process the result.

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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 12:36:14
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Y2K

Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 RCB> Warp4 dont have this difference, anymore, right?

 RJT> As far as I know,  yes.  (I don't have warp 4 here,  only warp
 RJT> connect.)

 RCB> Warp4 is much more uniform then... Do you agree?

I have no experience with Warp 4.

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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       21-Oct-99 11:02:00
  To: JAN DEBOER                                        21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Questions...

Some senseless babbling from Jan Deboer to Mike Ruskai
on 10-20-99  08:57 about Questions......

 JD> On 19 Oct 99  07:18:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need some 'install'
 JD> software JD> for them?

 MR> http://ps.software.ibm.com/

 MR> Follow the links to fix packages.  IBM has an online installation
 MR> facility which lets you click on a link, and walk away while all
 MR> the files are downloaded.  A couple simple questions later,
 MR> you're done.

 JD> Oh dear. I don't use my OS/2 machine for the internet. No browser
 JD> installed, since it only has total 1Gb HD capacity. Any alternative?

Only 1GB?  You're new to computers, aren't you?

The alternative is to download the fixpack in the form of diskette images,
create the diskettes, boot from the first one on the OS/2 machine, and sit
there swapping disks for a while.

There is a way around that, but it'd require doing what you probably don't
know how to do, yet.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


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From: MIKE RUSKAI                                       21-Oct-99 11:18:00
  To: LEE ARONER                                        21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to All
on 10-19-99  20:33 about Version 2.x SysLevel ??...

 LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded
 LA> on a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the
 LA> SysLevel thing in that version?

 LA> I've written some code to get the syslevel out of the
 LA> \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 file for use in my programs, but I'm
 LA> not sure how this was handled (or the file location) in versions
 LA> prior to 3.0.

 LA> Can anyone help me out on this?

Since the Warp 3 upgrade edition wouldn't install without it, I can
positively state that the location was indeed \OS2\INSTALL.  Every time I
installed it, I needed to copy SYSLEVEL.OS2 from disk 1 from OS/2 2.1 (a 5
1/4" floppy!) to that directory first (until I realized that the one from
Warp 3 would work just as well).

The format of the file appears to be basically the same.  I'll let you
judge for yourself:

http://home.att.net/~thanny/syslevel.os2

That file was uploaded right off of disk 1 of my OS/2 2.1 installation
floppies.

Mike Ruskai
[e-mail]


... A little testy today, aren't we?

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From: Scott Jones                                       21-Oct-99 01:11:25
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    21-Oct-99 16:46:01
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> On 19 Oct 99  07:43:00, Stephen Haffly wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 SH> If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need it.

 LP> That's what I mean.  What about W4W stuff?

 SH> Windows for Workgroups is Windows 3.11, so that would be covered.

There *is* a difference between the two.  WfWG has a version number of
3.11, but there was an "upgrade" for plain Win3.1 to bring it up to
3.11, which made no improvements, but *did* break Win support in the red
spine versions of OS/2.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   21-Oct-99 14:00:07
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: More Questions

following up a message from Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx:

 LP> Can a ram disk be used?

 PK> Yes, I use one on the BBS. The driver is called VDISK and is
 PK> located in the \OS2\BOOT directory.

Just clarifying things a bit here,  you're not talking about using a ram disk
for your swap file,  are you?  That's not generally a real terrific idea,  if
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From: Gord Hannah                                       21-Oct-99 08:09:05
  To: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

Replying to a message from Andy Roberts 1:109/921.1 to Linda Proulx,

About Re: Warp 3 install, On Wed Oct 20 1999

AR> You'll find the vast majority of OS/2 users in all the OS/2 echoes
AR> to be mature professionals willing to help you.  Some are probably
AR> just in shock to see a newbie in here. <g>

Or forgot they were newbies once themselves..:-)  I had a bit of an advantage
I had three or for of the best that I chose to pick on when I got started with
OS/2, I must have drove them nuts and some times still do.  Thank goodness for
their patience.

Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

We are a fine board trying to make it better.
http://www.pris.bc.ca/ghannah
[e-mail]
Gord
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From: Andrew Belov                                      19-Oct-99 19:05:29
  To: Bat Lang                                          21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Re: UniMaint ???

Hello Bat!

(Sun Oct 10 1999) Bat Lang wrote to All...

 BL> I have absolutely NO knowledge of this app, so I am wondering if someone
 BL> familiar with it can answer the following:

 BL> What is the basic function of this pgm?

Its tasks are mainly related to OS/2 Workplace Shell maintenance. UniMaint is
nice for INI file maintenance (with some knowledge, it can be used to merge an
existing desktop with the newly installed OS/2). It also has some desktop
repairment features.

 BL> Who might be interested in it? (Prog'r vs user, etc)

Experienced OS/2 users.

 BL> If you use it, why?

See above for a list of features.

 BL> What does it do for you?

It does basicly nothing without user interaction. In order to solve a problem
using UniMaint, one must know what way do follow.

 BL> Cost of ownership?

Don't know. Came to me from FDN, just like you.

                                                       Bye.

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 18:46:22
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: W 4 difs.

Hello Linda!

Monday October 18 1999 14:03, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

Hmmmm. Different flavors of Warp 4? Well, let's see.

Warp 4 Upgrade.. To be used if you already own a previous version of Os/2
Warp 4 Full
Warp 4 Server
Warp 4 server Advanced
Warp 4 server SMP.

The first two are the same. There is no snooper that looks for an older
version. I think it was something nice that IBM did.

As for the server versions, I'm not sure what they come with other than the
lan server apps. Advanced might come with HPFS386, but I'm not sure.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 1h 22m 11s 812ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 18:51:23
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

Monday October 18 1999 13:28, Linda Proulx wrote to Stephen Haffly:

 LP>> If I got the Blue flavour, would that mean that I wouldn't have
 LP>> to have Windows on my harddrive?

 SH>> If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need
 SH>> it.

 LP> That's what I mean.  What about W4W stuff?

Nothing. If you buy the full version. You can safely format the drive, and
install Warp 3 blue.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 1h 31m 49s 500ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 18:52:27
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

Hello Linda!

Monday October 18 1999 13:41, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:

 BW>> and for those things that I run from multiple platforms (Front
 BW>> Door being the most common one..).

 LP> But I hate the thought if giving up a 1 g drive partition to OS2 only.

You know, when I first started with OS/2 I thought the same thing. And I ran
dual boot for a couple of months. Then I happened to be over at the friends
house that showed me OS/2. He was running his entire system on HPFS drives,
and we ran the same BBS program (DOS RemoteAccess). His was a lot more
responsive than mine was on a FAT partition. So, I went home, did the
necessary backups to the BBS stuff, and blew the FAT partition away.
Reformatted everything to HPFS, and I've never looked back.

Look at it this way. on a 1 gig partition, formatted to FAT16, the clusters it
uses are 32k (IIRC). On the same partition, formatted to HPFS, there really is
no such thing as a 'cluster'. So if you store a small file such as your
autoexec.bat which is probably less than 1 k, you lose 31k of space. HPFS on
the other hand uses a 1024 byte 'cluster', so the file takes up only that
space or perhaps even less. Here is an example I just quickly found.


=== Cut ===

 Volume in drive C is CDRIVE         Serial number is 27C6:2C14
 Directory of  C:\start*

 8-23-99  17:17              47          28  startup.cmd
             47 bytes in 1 file and 0 dirs    512 bytes allocated
    241,541,632 bytes free
=== Cut ===

That 47 byte file would take up a 32k cluster on a 1 gig fat partition. Notice
it only takes 512 bytes of space. I just gained 31k of space for something
else.

About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to reliably recover deleted
files. You learn quickly to make backups before doing anything destructive.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 1h 31m 49s 500ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 20:16:12
  To: George White                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Newbie

Hello George!

Sunday October 17 1999 11:15, George White wrote to Linda Proulx:


 GW> Nope! Just create the freespace at the start of the disk using
 GW> Partition Magic (shrink the existing C partition by a cylinder or 1
 GW> meg, whichever is the smaller, then shift it up to move the free space
 GW> from after it to before it). Then boot up using the OS/2 install disks
 GW> and get into FDISK (select advanced install) and from FDISK you can
 GW> configure Boot Manager in the free space.
 GW> You need to use Advanced Install to install OS/2 to anything other
 GW> than the C drive.

Just a quick note. Boot Manager, contrary to many beliefs doesn't have to be
at the beginning of the drive. It will install in any free space available.
Beginning, middle or end as long as it is withing the 1023 cylinder limit.
Mine is between two partitions. I installed Win98 on a new drive. Then used
Partition Magic to shrink that darn 8.4gig partition down to 1 gig. Installed
BM and then created an HPFS partition to install OS/2 on. BM is the active
partition, and the other two are bootable.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 2h 48m 52s 468ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 20:25:10
  To: Bat Lang                                          21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: UniMaint ???

Hello Bat!

Monday October 18 1999 18:15, Bat Lang wrote to Murray Lesser:


 BL> The actual filebone FDN was Fernwood, TTBOMK just about the only FDN
 BL> still hatching OS/2 apps via the filebone?  Good Modeming!  /\oo/\

And it's too bad too. Over here, the GFD file distribution system is still
hatching a lot of os/2 files out. Almost 13meg received today alone. Glad I
invested in ISDN.. ;-)


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 2h 58m 30s 125ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 20:28:13
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Uninstall Programs

Hello Linda!

Monday October 18 1999 17:07, Linda Proulx wrote to All:


 LP> Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what are
 LP> good ones?

Do you mean to get rid of all those extra files that the Win programs put in
places that are hidden to normal eyes? OS/2 doesn't operate in the same
manner. Most of the GUI programs have an un-install with them, and those that
don't can simply be deleted. About the only directory that gets a lot of stuff
is the \os2\dll directory. But it isn't nearly as bad as Win.


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 3h 08m 07s 968ms (en).

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From: Mike Roark                                        20-Oct-99 20:45:26
  To: Bob Bainbridge                                    21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 Install

Hello Bob!

Tuesday October 19 1999 12:18, Bob Bainbridge wrote to Mike Roark:

 MR>> at either the beginning or end of free space. Mine is
 MR>> after a Win98 partition, and before the OS/2 bootable

 BB> Actually BM can be installed ANYWHERE on the first drive, as long as
 BB> it's within the logical 1024 cylinder range.

I should have mentioned that. Thanks.. But correct me if I'm wrong, but
doesn't OS/2 Fdisk ask for either the beginning or end of Free Space? It's
been so long since I've done it that way I forgot..


Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet [e-mail]
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 3h 17m 45s 531ms (en).

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From: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 10:32:24
  To: Jaap van.Veen                                     21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Questions...

Hello Jaap,

On 19 Oct 99  21:31:10 Jaap van.Veen wrote to Jan Deboer...

 Jv> Jan Deboer wrote on 18 Oct 1999 at 13:29 to All:

 JD> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
 Jv> Nearly the same machine as I possess. Only with 40 instead 8 MB.

I eventually upped it to 32 Mb, at the atrocious prices memory went for
at the time!

 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
 Jv> I use the LIST program from Vernon Buerg since ages. It is a
 Jv> DOS-program. I don't know where it is available. A lot of OS/2
 Jv> programs have been made available and you will have reactions
 Jv> soon.

Yes, I received some suggestions, including File Freedom, which I had in
the meantime d/l'd from a BBS and installed. It answers my needs just
fine.

 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?
 Jv> Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is
 Jv> coming soon.

I visited the IBM website for which someone else here provided the url,
and the info there indicated fixpak 32 was what was needed for Warp3 Y2K
compliance. I started downloading the numerous readme and disk files for
fixpak 32, but when I got to disk image 4, it would not download, but
instead took me to a huge list of directories. I obviously can't install
the fixpak with one of the disk images missing. I read that IBM is going
to stop providing free fixpaks at yearend. Perhaps they are heading off
a last-minute rush, by making the fixpak unuseable now, and hope to cash
in next year by charging for it!

 JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install'
 JD> software for them?
 Jv> You can deal with the complete package that includes the install
 Jv> package.

Yes, I saw that they had a remote install available. I thought I would
prefer to download the software so that, if necessary, I would have it
for future re-installations of Warp3.

Cheers.
...
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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: OS/2 on old hardware

In a message dated 10-19-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Holger Granholm:

 RW>> What is the .5??
 HG> It could be v4.0 GA with FP5 applied. <BG>
CV>    Nope, it's a LS for e-Business. Aurora project.

Cyrill, you didn't happen to note the "<BG>" on the end?

According to my way of counting, I'm now running Warp 5.0 because I have
WARP 4 + FP10, ;-)

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Peter French                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Long Lines

In a message dated 10-16-99, Peter French said to Louis Aubree:

LA> Do you like reading messages looking like this?
LA>
PF>  Never had that complaint before, but then again I may have changed
PF>things this side - more than once (a day)!  I've had the reader
PF>wrapping at 90 and my personal editor at 79.  I've set them both for
PF>79 and we'll see what happens. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Hi Peter,

I have both set to 72. I don't like to see "PF>" on a separate second
line and likewise I want to leave space for the "HG>" in front of the
lines I write with my editor.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Newbie

In a message dated 10-19-99, Cyrill Vakhneyev said to Jeffrey J Counsil:

 JC> PQBoot?
CV>    Piece of shit... Too buggy...

OK Cyrill, if you haven't learned to use the program you may call it
that. I have not found any bugs in v3.02 - 3.04. It works as advertised.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Uninstall Programs

In a message dated 10-18-99, Linda Proulx said to All:

LP>Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what
LP>are good ones?

No, Linda. It's built-in.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-18-99, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx:

AR>I wish I could find a great native OS/2 OLMR.  When I have more time
AR>I'll try what Gord sent to me.  Until then I will continue to use
AR>DOS Terminate/TerMail which does release OS/2 time slices.

Hello Linda,

I'm using both MR/2 (MR2_226.ZIP), registered, and
MultiMail v0.31 (MMOS2031.ZIP), freeware. I'm happy with both.

A hint, get JSHIF161.ZIP (freeware) from a BBS catering for OS/2.
It will set numlock on whenever you boot OS/2. Also a DOS program
is included.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Questions...

In a message dated 10-18-99, Jan Deboer said to All:

JD>Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
JD>could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
JD>or rename files????????????!!!!!!!

Since I "upgraded" to PC compatibles I have used XTree which is a DOS
program.

Using OS/2 I didn't have to leave the experience I had of that program
because there is ZTreeBold available for OS/2 and there even is a
Windows version of the program. It's shareware however, not freeware.

However, a separate file manager isn't necessary because most of it is
already built-into Warp. You cannot however handle archived files with
the WPS functionality.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Holger Granholm                                   20-Oct-99 18:40:00
  To: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 21:51:25
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-18-99, Andy Roberts said to Linda Proulx:

Hello Andy,

AR>I think if I leave off all my AdeptXBBS files, then I can get all
AR>the above and a FixPak for Warp3 and most of the rest of my 1,500
AR>OS/2 files on 1 CD. Then I can send you that CD for $10US (including
AR>shipping to Canada).  If you are interested, then send me your snail
AR>mail address via NetMail.

Make it two ;-). I'd be very interested in one also as well as the
StarOffice CD from sun.com containing all the operating system versions.

Looking at a cover that contained a CD from USA shows postage USD 1.85
for Air Mail. It may have risen since but what the heck. <BG> I'll pay
for handling also.

Of course there are files I already have but OTOH also files I don't
have. I don't ask you to make a separate sort for me.

Until Walnut Creek ceased to make the CD's BBS ready I subscribed to
Hobbes OS/2. Then I terminated the subscription but left a message that
I would be willing to continue if they again would release BBS ready
CD's. The reply was that they didn't intend to.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 18:49:00
  To: Preston Smith                                     21-Oct-99 18:49:00
Subj: Drive Problems

Preston Smith wrote to Will Honea on 10-21-1999


PS> Are you saying you just received this message?
PS>
PS> It took longer than the Jules Verne gang took to
PS> circumnavigate the world to get to you.

There were 4-5 others from that period in the packet so someone
probably just meesed up a toss - but it was amusing.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 19:28:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 19:28:01
Subj: Re: Y2k

Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 10-21-1999

LP>  WH> Anyone can download it - it's your nickle - but the installer checks
LP>  WH> for products to service and FP 41+ will not recognize Warp 3 or Warp
LP>  WH> Connect and eligible.  There is a hack floating about that will
gimmick
LP>
LP> Why won't it recognise W 3/4 (assume W Connect is 4 connect).
LP> What is eligible?

First, Warp 4 is a different product entirely and the fixpak quite
properly refuses to install for that reason.  As for Warp 3 and Warp
Connect, IBM announced the end-of-service for that product some months
back.  FP41 and 42 are specified as being for Warp Server - not Warp 3
- so the installer checks for and only services the products it finds
in the fixpak's list of elible products.  To get fixpaks which
recognize out-of-service products you have to be a paying customer for
support for that specific product.  A company I work for has such a
contract and the FP 42 content is indeed a little different than the
Warp Server fixpak.  Makes perfectly good sense to me (not that I like
it) since it costs IBM money to test and certify those fixpaks for the
configurations they support so I would not expect them to expend the
resources necessary to support out-of-service products.  The end of
service should not be a surprise, BTW.  It has been published for at
least 3 years with a couple of extensions announced.

LP> FP 41+ for Warp 4  or Warp 4 Server only?  What diff between
LP> Connect & Server?

Arrgh! In my usual sloppy way I have confused you.  Warp 3 was
released in, IIRC, late 1994 in 2 versions: Red, which contained no
Windows 3 code but used your existing version, and Blue, which
contained it's own  version of Windows 3.1 know as WinOS2.  Warp
Connect was derived from Warp 3 at about fp17 level and released in mid
1995 with the same Red/Blue versioning.  What set it apart was the
inclusion of Peer-to-Peer networking with  complete LAN requester
functionality and a Peer server.  Warp 4 was derived from Warp 3 at
about the fp 22 level but it contained a completely different workplace
shell and major internal differences.  It came standard with full
network client and peer support using a much newer TCP/IP stack and LAN
support code.  Release in mid-1996, it was a totally different product
than Warp 3.

Now the confusion.  Dates are a bit fuzzy, but circa 1996 IBM released
Warp Server 4.  This product used the Warp 3 kernel and accessories but
was integrated with LAN Server 4.0 (hence the Warp Server 4).  This was
a full blown server version which incidentally used Warp 3 as the
underlying OS.  Until then, LAN Server was a standalone product
targeted at OS/2 2.1x as it's OS.  Service for the Server and the OS
has always been separate steps - still is.  For Warp Server, IBM even
released a very good SMP (multi-processor) version of the OS which was
unavailable as a standalone product.  It was only with last summer's
release of Warp Server for eBusiness (variously refered to as Aurora,
Warp 5, OS/2 ver 4.5, etc) that the Warp 3 supported version of Warp
Server was replaced altho IBM has committed to support for Warp Server
4 until 2001.  There are ways to install the Server portion of Warp
Server over Warp 4 but it was not a normally supported configuration.

The upshot of this is that there were 3 distinct OS/2 Warp products
(not counting the Server Advanced and SMP offshoots) all in active
service until just recently: Warp 3, Warp Server 4, and Warp 4.
Serendipity had it that the Warp 3 and Warp Server 4 shared the same
base OS so Warp 3 users benefited from the commitment to on-going
support for Warp Server.  Now IBM has decided that it will no longer
officially support Warp 3 - after a VERY long life as operating systems
go.

As I mentioned, there is a script floating around to re-badge Warp 3
so that the server fixpaks will install.  I would have no hesitation in
applying them if I still depended on Warp 3 and needed something
provided in the fixpak.  What IBM has said is that if you apply the
last 2 fixpaks or any future ones to Warp 3 they will not support you
in it unless you pay some hefty fees for said support.

I hope this clarifies things just a little.  At present, the service
levels for the 3 operating systems are:

Warp 3 and Warp Connect, Red or Blue:  fixpak 40
Warp Server 4: fixpak 42
Warp 4: fixpak 12


Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 19:36:02
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       21-Oct-99 19:36:02
Subj: HPFS info quest

MIKE RUSKAI wrote to MURRAY LESSER on 10-21-1999

MR> I downloaded the program (dfsee307.zip), but haven't yet spent the
MR> time to figure out how to use it.

Mike, you should email the DFSEE author.  He's been really helpful
when I had some questions. jan van Wijk <[e-mail]> seems to
work well for him.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Will Honea                                        21-Oct-99 20:09:00
  To: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 20:09:00
Subj: Questions...

Jan Deboer wrote to Jaap van.Veen on 10-21-1999

JD>
JD> Yes, I saw that they had a remote install available. I thought I
JD> would prefer to download the software so that, if necessary, I would
JD> have it for future re-installations of Warp3.

Go ahead and d/l the files via RSU.  Let it unpack the zips, then
watch for the options.  One of the options is to apply the fix and
leave the source files on the drive - for next time.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: John Thompson                                     21-Oct-99 09:13:00
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: E-Mail servers??

In a message to Russell Tiedt, Jack Pfisterer wrote re: E-Mail servers??

JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace of
JP> documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

It should be in your "TCP/IP for OS/2 Command Reference"

JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?  Running
JP> it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as arguments produces
JP> quite uninformative error messages.  "Help Sendmail" produces a
JP> "topic not found" error message.

Try "viewhelp TCPCR.HLP"



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From: John Thompson                                     21-Oct-99 09:13:00
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

In a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, Stewart Honsberger wrote re:
Text-mode OS/2

JdBP> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when
JdBP> the white "?? OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to
JdBP> boot to a command line.

SH> Can I load Netscape?

Since OS/2 Netscape requires PMSHELL you can't use NS/2.  You
can, however, launch Windows (or Win-OS/2) and run Windows'
Netscape from a command-line OS/2 boot.

SH> Can I multi-task?

Yes.  See the "START" and "DETACH" commands.  Without a task
manager of some sort it can be difficult to switch between
multiple running tasks from a command line boot, but yes, you can
multi-task.  There is a very nice IBM EWS text shell (TSHELL)
that allows you to easily switch between multiple tasks while in
a text boot.

SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

Although I use TSHELL for this you can multitask simply with
START and DETACH.


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From: John Thompson                                     21-Oct-99 09:13:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Uninstall Programs

In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Uninstall Programs

LP> Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what are
LP> good ones?

For basic OS/2 system components and drivers,use the "Selective
Uninstall" object in your "System Setup" folder.  For other
programs, most will include an unistall routine and create an
appropriate object for this in their folders when you install
them.


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From: John Thompson                                     21-Oct-99 09:13:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Y2K

In a message to Bob Wright, Linda Proulx wrote re: Y2K

BW> Another one that I left off my list, is Star Office.  It's a (rather
BW> huge) office suite which is now being provided by Sun.  It's free for

LP> Is there a site to dl it?

http://www.sun.com and follow the links for StarOffice.  The OS/2
version weighs in at about 90MB vs about 75MB for other platforms
because the OS/2 version includes all the Java stuff in addition
to StarOffice.

You can also buy it from Sun on a CD for about US$10 plus
shipping.  This CD has StarOffice for Solaris, Windows 95|98|NT,
OS/2 and linux as well as clip art and fonts that don't come with
the downloaded version.  You can order it on-line from Sun's web
site if you're interested.


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From: John Thompson                                     21-Oct-99 09:13:00
  To: Roy J. Tellason                                   22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Y2K

In a message to Linda Proulx, Roy J. Tellason wrote re: Y2K

LP> How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

RT> I have no idea as to how the bonus packs would differ from one version to
the
RT> other,  or if indeed they would differ at all.  The two copies of OS/2 I
have
RT> here are both blue,  for whatever that's worth...

I have both red and blue here; the Bonus Pack is the same for
both.


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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 02:29:28
  To: Holger Granholm                                   22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: chinon cd-rom & warp

-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne <=-

 HG> Yes Warp is very good but OTOH Win3.11 is the most stable Windows GUI
 HG> that I have ever used after I increased environment space to 768.

How did you do that?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 02:31:12
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Rich Wonneberger wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RW> BM does not get assigned a drive letter.
 RW> The next partition (DOS in your case) will still be C:

True.  But before OS/2 installs it does.

Linda
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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 16:57:11
  To: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: More Questions

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> Not in its native state. There is a project under way (ODIN32) that
 PK> provides a way to allow Win32 code to run under OS/2, but I am not sure
 PK> what the current status of this is.

Pity.

 LP> Can a ram disk be used?

 PK> Yes, I use one on the BBS. The driver is called VDISK and is located in
 PK> the \OS2\BOOT directory.

Can this be used for the swap file?  Would it ber worth it?

 PK> Cheers.........pk.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 16:59:26
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: More Questions

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?
 CV>     No. Only some earlier win32 apps such a PhotoShop 3.0. OS2 API and
 CV> Win32 API uses incompatible methods of memory allocation.

Would one load the win32 for 3.1/3.11?

Anon,

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:13:11
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Newbie

-=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> Speedy, I suppose.

Have nothing to compare it to.  Works OK.

 RCB> I checked it now & it is at http://www.syquest.com

Thank you for looking

 RCB>  * Origin: HidraSoft BBS * Aruja', SP, Brasil * 55-11-4654-2024 *

Volunteered at the Pan Am games here & worked the Village where your
atheletes were housed.  You had a big team & did very well as I recall.
I hope they enjoyed being here a much as we enjoyed them.

LOVED the luggage!

What was the coverage like in Brazil?

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:18:28
  To: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: W 4 difs.

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> No, from a packaging perspective, Warp 4 is the equivalent to Warp 3
 PK> Connect Blue pack, everything in the one package...........pk.

Thanks for the info.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:26:13
  To: Gord Hannah                                       22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Gord Hannah wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 GH> Andy is in Virginia, USA.  Happens to be a good friend of mine.

Small OS/2 world <G>.

If I get a chance to get to someone's Internet, does your board allow
telneting?

 GH> Hope this helps.  Keep us posted.

Will do.  Still lots of decisions.  And have to have EVERYTHING ready.
Now really wish the copy of OS/2 I have is the blue connect after
getting all the info. I'm surprised IBM did so many Warp 3 flavours.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:29:25
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 RCB> Only these are: 44. neat. B} Questions, please ask me.

Thanks for the files listing.  Lots of stuff to look for.

Anon,

Linda


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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:31:26
  To: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> This whole issue is actually quite complicated, however in general
 PK> terms, Windows 3.1 is Windows with NO NETWORKING Support. Windows 3.11
 PK> is 3.1 WITH NETWORKING support (W4WG). Because 3.11 was released AFTER


 PK> I hope this helps to explain things........pk.

Yes it does.  Thank you.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:34:26
  To: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-


 PK> The OS/2 install notes suggest that even under OS/2, the HPFS driver
 PK> requires considerable memory and should not really be used on a memory

Good info.  Than still not certain that there is a reason to actually
HPFS any drive than if I want to have the memory available.

Anon,

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:36:14
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 CV>     Can you send letter to fidonet address (2:5053/7.1 for example)? Or
 CV> to [e-mail]?

On one of my boards I can use the netmail, & on this board I can use the
email address.

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:38:07
  To: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: What Need ?

-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 PK> If I read your question correctly, you are talking about APPLICATION
 PK> .DLL files that are NOT part of the Operating System. These are not
 PK> provided with OS/2 just the same as they are not provided with
 PK> Windows...

Correct.  Which ones would I be looking for?

Linda

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From: Linda Proulx                                      21-Oct-99 17:43:19
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: Re: What Need ?

-=> Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 LP> I believe that there are files in OS/2 Warp 3 (or 4) that are needed
 LP> as in the Win dlls or Vbruns that don't come with the original.
 CV>     Don't understand... :( Be more simply

Application needs that don't come with the programs or Warp.  In the
Windows world it may be Vbrun300.dll as an example.

Linda

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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              21-Oct-99 09:11:03
  To: Will Honea                                        22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello Will.

Lundi 18 Octobre 1999 18:09, Will Honea wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne:

 WH> I have one of those old dogs here.
you do?! great! pliiizzzzzzzzzz! have you still the dip-switch settings? Got
two such drives, left them on id0 cos' I can't get the docs anywhere..
For a bbs they're more than enough, as reader for pressed cd (no cd-r support)

 WH> It is recognized just fine - IF the SCSI controller is recognized and
 WH> loaded.
that's my question... the controller is the original Chinon controller, and
the driver from warp 2.11 says "will be supported later". Did not found that
"late support", so I turn myself here. Cos' without that support, indeed, I'm
stuck with windows for his pc...

 WH> As for function, it's marginal at best.

 WH> I managed to use it to load Warp 4 and Warp Server for eBusiness on a
 WH> test machine but it's really tempermental about reading CD's.
well, I installed warp4 with it on my ps/2 without a problem; made some test
with warp connect, same good result.
but no way to get it reading cd-r's, and that's baaaaaad... cos' all my
fixpacks are now on cd-r

 WH> to display the load results.  Try that - BTW, what is the adapter?
just guess :-)
cds-323, original long card with internal 50p and external 37p

Jean-Michel

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From: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              21-Oct-99 09:16:19
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  22-Oct-99 00:35:18
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Hello Cyrill.

Mardi 19 Octobre 1999 15:19, Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Jean-Michel Dossogne:

 CV> 17 Oct 99 19:09, Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to All:
 JD>> chincds1.flt, with as text in file header : This program cannot be run
 JD>> in a DOS session. CHINCD1     chincds1.DLL      CHINCD1 CHINON
 JD>> if I try to install, I don't get the cd-rom found by warp.
 JD>> Any idea/workaround/suggestion?
 CV>     It's a CD-ROM driver.
indeed, and works ok on my ps/2 (ibm mca scsi ctl)

 CV> But you need a SCSI controller driver too.
that's why I'm here :)

 CV>  + Origin: I feel like Popeye!  (2:5053/7.1)
smoked? :)

Jean-Michel

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:23
  To: Scott Jones                                       22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Norton AV

 -=> Quoting Scott Jones to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-

 SJ> Oh, I *do* have the emx compiler here, should I ever feel the
 SJ> masochistic urge to learn how to program.  So far, all I've done with

For someone it is SM & for others it is The Power... :)

 SJ> it, though, is to compile the sample programs included with it to make
 SJ> sure I had it set up correctly.

I compiled almost nothing in OS/2, unfortunately.

 SJ> four-figure price tag.  Instead, it was written by Cult of the Dead
 SJ> Cow and released under the GPL, so that any half-witted script kiddie
 SJ> can get his hands on it.

GPL? Kiddie? hmmm.. Neither OS/2 is immune to the crackish people...

 SJ> It depends.  I would have said so with the original release of BO, but
 SJ> BO2K now has a nice, pretty point and drool interface that even the
 SJ> dimmest of users can almost understand, much like the rest of Windows.

Ya, my ISP (iconet) said me about his users have problems with BO.

 SJ> People with bad intentions exist everywhere.

8-[

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:24
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: no carriage return

Leave blank lines between quote & reply, PLEASE!

 -=> Quoting Jaap van.Veen to Jan Deboer <=-

 Jv> Jan Deboer wrote on 18 Oct 1999 at 13:29 to All:

 JD> Bought and installed Warp3 on a 486DX2/66 w 8 Mb and 2X 540Mb HD's.
 Jv> Nearly the same machine as I possess. Only with 40 instead 8 MB.
 JD> All that swapping and drive activity brought fears of early drive
 JD> failure, so memory was upped to 32Mb, and the frantic drive
 JD> activity quieted down. But then, I was only using a few Dos apps,
 JD> and began wondering what if any advantages I was getting under
 JD> OS/2, and soon I was booting up in Dos. Eventually the two 540's
 JD> were replaced by a 2.6 Gb, and W95 was installed for better
 JD> Internet performance.
 JD> But then, we bought a Pentium and the 486 sat largely unused. So, I
 JD> 'downgraded' it - pulled the 2.6 and reinstalled the old 540's, and
 JD> reinstalled Warp3. So, now I'mm re-acquianting myself with OS/2 and
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place.
 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
 Jv> I use the LIST program from Vernon Buerg since ages. It is a
 Jv> DOS-program. I don't know where it is available. A lot of OS/2 programs
 Jv> have been made available and you will have reactions soon.
 JD> I find myself using the W3.1 file manager all the time, but it is a
 JD> pain in the butt to get to it.
 JD> I have never installed any 'fixpaks'. Does this mean I'n in for Y2K
 JD> troubles?
 Jv> Yes you must have FixPak 37 at minimum. 40 is out and 41 is coming
 Jv> soon. JD> Are the fixpaks self-installing, or do I need soem 'install'
 JD> software for them?
 Jv> You can deal with the complete package that includes the install
 Jv> package. JD> Is it worth upgrading to Warp4? What are the

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:24
  To: Jaap Van.Veen                                     22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Questions...

 -=> Quoting Jaap van.Veen to Jan Deboer <=-

 Jv> I use the LIST program from Vernon Buerg since ages. It is a
 Jv> DOS-program. I don't know where it is available. A lot of OS/2 programs
 Jv> have been made available and you will have reactions soon.

List/DOS have a counterpart List/OS2, but it is not fun why
dont understand longnames & longnames for me is natural...

I use others: HyperView, LST/2 & Lister.


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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:24
  To: Jan Deboer                                        22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Questions...

 -=> Quoting Jan Deboer to MIKE RUSKAI <=-

 JD> Found a neat freeware file manager called File Freedom. End of
 JD> problem. Obviously, I wasn't the only one who thought something better
 JD> was needed!

LarserCommander is yet better than FileFreedom.


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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:24
  To: Jack Stein                                        22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 -=> Quoting Jack Stein to Stewart Honsberger <=-

 JS> You can run all the non-pm applications you want, you just can't see
 JS> them all on the screen at the same time, and to switch to the
 JS> forground/background you need a switcher, like PGMSHELL that comes with
 JS> TSHELL.

Not all. Start OS2 in text mode & run FileCommander. It won't.


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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: What Need ?

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to All <=-

 LP> What should I be looking for in this context?

Emx set of dll's  & vrobj.dll.
Available on the hobbes: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Warp 3 install

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to Holger Quander <=-

 LP> What is 'emacs' ?

It is text editor ported from Linux. Difficult to use. I dont like.

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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             21-Oct-99 15:50:25
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: More Questions

 -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to All <=-

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

By default, no. But is possible to convert it with Odin Project.

But convert virus/95 for virus/OS2 is not a fun task... %-)

[no needed any replies about the 'convert virus' thing]

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From: Holger Quander                                    21-Oct-99 21:02:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: Warp 3 install

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an Holger Quander:

 LP> What is 'emacs' ?

basically, some kind of editor. you can configure anything (in the lisp
programming language). so also added a mailreader, newsreader, www-browser,
...
emacs is great as ide for programming c, c++, ... with syntax highlightning,
integration of compiler, debugger...

 HQ>> and many more... feel free to ask ,-)
 LP> And I will, once I figure out what I could use.

,-)

 LP> Sometimes I think I love playing with setting up more than using %-)

me too.

 LP> And if you find a REALLY good program, let me know.

all mentioned are REALLY good. most of them i use here every day in job and
private. and i run for my hobby 14 compters, 9 of them under os/2 ;)

Servus, Holger!

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From: Holger Quander                                    21-Oct-99 21:12:14
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 01:17:29
Subj: More Questions

Ave Linda!

Antwort auf eine Message von Linda Proulx an All:

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

mostly no. some of them will run with win32s 1.25 (i think this was the last
relase you can use with os/2)
some other (smaller ones) can be converted with win32os2 (actual beta 0.4).

 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this
 LP> drive for the Warp swap file?  Can a ram disk be used?

no dblspace. iirc there was a release form stac for os/2. in other cases
zipstream could be useful. using compressed drives for swap is no good idea.
and the ram used for a ramdisk world be more usefull for the os itself...

Servus, Holger!

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From: Will Honea                                        22-Oct-99 00:54:00
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              22-Oct-99 00:54:00
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

Jean-Michel Dossogne wrote to Will Honea on 10-21-1999

JD>  WH> I have one of those old dogs here.
JD> you do?! great! pliiizzzzzzzzzz! have you still the dip-
JD> switch settings? Got two such drives, left them on id0 cos'
JD> I can't get the docs anywhere..
JD> For a bbs they're more than enough, as reader for pressed cd (no
JD> cd-r support)

You really want me to pull that thing out so I can see the connectors?
;-{  OK, but it will take me a day or so to get to it.

JD> well, I installed warp4 with it on my ps/2 without a
JD> problem; made some test with warp connect, same good result.
JD> but no way to get it reading cd-r's, and that's baaaaaad...
JD> cos' all my fixpacks are now on cd-r

I can barely get this one to read commercial pressed CD's.  It won't
even recognize the presence of CD-R's, much less CD-RW's.  In fact, I
don't think it even supports some of the current formats!  As I said,
it's marginal at best.  I used it because it was in the junk box with
an old SCSI card when I needed a CDROM drive.  I was surprised when it
actually worked.

All in all, I'd suggest you watch the local swap meets and bulletin
boards.  Heck, some of the retailers around here are selling ATAPI 24x
drives for $29.95 (US) with a $30 rebate!  Old 4x drives show up for $5
or even free fairly often.

If you're a glutton for punishment, try sticking the controller into a
machine running Warp 4, boot with full hardware detect on then check
RMVIEW /DC to see what it found.  That, or run Selective Install and
see what SCSI options it gives you.  The IBM Device Driver site doesn't
list anything for Chinon SCSI adapters and a quick pass with FTPSearch
turned up nothing so I suspect you may be SOL.  There may be a Chinon
driver on the old Warp 3 CD's but I can't check that until tomorrow.
I'll post any promising results but if you hear nothing it's because
that's what I found.  From what I can tell, the SCSI adapter is going
to kill you before you even get a chance to fight with the old drive,
especially if you need it to read CD-R's.

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From: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 07:47:03
  To: Rich Wonneberger                                  22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: CAD

 Rich Wonneberger,

20-Oct-99 21:38:38, Rich Wonneberger wrote to Andy Roberts
 RW> *** Quoting Andy Roberts to Rich Wonneberger dated 10-20-99 ***
          Subject: CAD

 RW> Sounds like you use BC quite a bit.

I've used BlueCAD for a few years.  I couldn't afford AutoCAD and BlueCAD is
the best thing I've seen since my obsolete CP/M machine was retired.

 AR>> For a detailed answer write to [e-mail]

 RW> Just sent it out.

 AR>> In many ways this is similar to AutoCAD and can export/import
 AR>> AutoCAD files.

 RW> You just made my day..  :} I dont have to re-do my AutoCad files.
 RW> There not much, but I have a lot of time invested in them

In the batch I'm sending you right now is this:
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    BlueCAD file converter for DWG format: can read a AutoCAD 14 drawing and
    convert it back to release 12
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 AR>> If you want, I'll package up the whole bunch including a few addon files
 AR>> and File Attach it to E-Mail to you.

 RW> That would be great.  I think I can take 10 meg e-mail befor my
 RW> ISP squawks.

A little over 7MB in all.

 AR>> Anyway IMO the Plotter probably won't be the problem.  If you have
 AR>> OS/2 drivers for your particular Plotter it's simple.  If all you
 AR>> have is WinXX drivers then you can save the BluePlot output to a
 AR>> file and probably work with that from WinXX.  Although I don't have
 AR>> a Plotter, I did consider

 RW> DRIVERS?? Ya know I didnt even think about that..

Do a search with AltaVista for "7475A", which will result in a lot of hits for
a 'driver' site, most of which is for WinXX, but might have something for
OS/2.

 RW> I azzumed the plotter being a serial device the CAD program would use
 RW> the com port.

BluePlot will use the com port.  I could be wrong, but I assumed that since
printers need drivers that the Plotter would too.  I hope I'm wrong.

 RW> I havent even connected it actually, I just saved it from death at work.

$125 value used, according to a couple web sites that still have it.

 RW> So far, the test print is the only thing I have done, so I'm hopefull it
 RW> works.

Let me know if BlueCAD works without any other drivers please.

 RW> There's another there but its missing the pen drum, so I may still be
 RW> able to get parts.  If I had room & a way to get it home there's a big
 RW> floor model (5 ft wide) also going out

I've got a project in which I had to cut 2 edges of each 8-1/2x11" page and
tape 48 pages back together into 1 large paper.  Only a couple of times of
doing that and I can find some way to find room for a 5' unit.  I'd love to
get a full sized Plotter.  What model is the 5' unit?  If it can be arranged,
I would drive up there in my Pickup truck to get it, immediately. <g>

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
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From: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 11:10:06
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: More Questions

 Linda Proulx,

20-Oct-99 15:11:26, Linda Proulx wrote to All
          Subject: More Questions

 LP> Will Warp 3/4 run any Win32 apps?

Some but not all of them.  And Warp4 maybe more than Warp3 (I forget.)
---
W32S125B.Zip                    10-16-95          12,832
    Win32s v.1.25b

W32S125.Exe                     03-08-96       2,287,298
    Win32s v1.25 update. Apply to Win-OS/2, then download and follow
    instructions in vw32s125.zip.

Vw32S125.Zip                    10-16-95          12,921
    BETA version of win32s 1.25 support for OS/2 WARP. README files contain
    more information.
---

I'd have to look inside those files to see what is what, but there might be
some duplication or old version as well as the latest version.  The large file
probably includes the library, which is essential but often is included on CD
apps, so it may not be needed just to upgrade.

I might add that although v.1.25b is the last patch, that does not mean that
you can not run v.1.30 or v.1.35 etc apps by using some other tricks such as
manually installing the prgm or letting the setup overwrite v.1.25b and then
before running the prgm re-install v.1.25b.

 LP> Have a dblespace drive for temp or one use files.  Can I use this
 LP> drive for the Warp swap file?

Nope.

 LP> Can a ram disk be used?

---
Svd118.Zip                      01-18-96         132,461
    Super Virtual Disk driver V1.18 for OS/2 2.1+. SVDisk provides a
    swappable/lockable/removable virtual disk or virtual floppy using OS/2's
    advanced memory management facility.  Virtual disk can be anything from
    16KB to 16MB, and virtual floppy supports 360KB to 2.88MB devices,
    including XDF device for managing XDF diskette images in OS/2 Warp
    Version 3. Virtual floppy device can be dynamically reconfigured.  You
    can even create multiple 16MB SVDisks on a system with just 4MB of RAM!
    HPFS formatting and diskette support for SVDisk. Command line and PM
    utility provide complete control of the SVDisks.
---

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 11:23:12
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: An Inquiring Mind

 Linda Proulx,

20-Oct-99 18:06:47, Linda Proulx wrote to All
          Subject: An Inquiring Mind

 LP> Running Warp 3 Red

 LP> Regular 3rd party uninstall programs will uninstall Win programs?

 LP> Running Warp 3 Blue

 LP> Do I need the 3rd party uninstall or will it uninstall thru Warp?

Someone else already replied in detail about OS/2 not being like Win95 as far
uninstall is concerned.  So 3rd party prgms for that are not needed.  If the
particular app such as TaxCut includes an uninstall, then yes it will work to
a degree.  But in almost all cases with DOS/WinXX prgms and many not perfect
OS/2 prgms, just running some uninstall still leaves stuff in the *.INI files,
which can eventually slow your system down.  Someone else replied that they
use the commercial prgm UniMaint to clean up that mess.  I don't, I use this:
---
Wptool29.Zip                    05-30-99         337,555
    Collection of INI-file and WPS maintenance tools by Henk Kelder
---
CHECKINI /C /S /Y:2 /L1.LOG

 LP> What DOS or WIN programs have not worked with either 3 or 4 in
 LP> your experience?

Very few DOS prgms won't run.  Those that attempt to take direct control of
the hardware, such as Check-It-Pro, a hardware diagostic tool.  OTOH that is
not needed since there are native OS/2 tools for that purpose.

Many Win32S v.1.30+ prgms won't install automatically.  Most prgms that will
run on Win95 but not run on Win3.1 will not run under Win-OS/2.

IMO the need for Windows prgms is almost non-existant, since there are native
OS/2 prgms to perform almost every task.  Pete Norloff runs the OS/2 ShareWare
BBS, which at 1 time was the largest BBS of any type anywhere in the world.
It may still be for all I know.  Anyway, I often Telnet bbs.os2bbs.com into
his BBS to pickup some of about 18,000 files.

Eventually you will see some msg that mentions releasing "DOS Think" which
includes Windows, since that is just a GUI on top of DOS.  It's been a long
thread in the past.  And it reoccures frequently with new OS/2 users, because
it seems to take them awhile to think of OS/2 as a "tool" rather than an
upgrade from DOS/WinXX.  Basically what it means is that with OS/2 you can use
most of the DOS/WinXX stuff, but there is usually a more efficient and easier
way to accomplish almost any task.   And if you cling to the DOS/WinXX tools
and methods, then you will prevent yourself from taking full advantage of the
power and better methods of OS/2.  An example is clinging to FAT rather than
using HPFS.  If you install OS/2 or a lot of OS/2 apps on a FAT partition you
will sooner than later run into a problem with the 8.3 file name limitation of
DOS/FAT that is not a problem with HPFS.

 LP> Is there a paper saver type printing program for Warp?

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21Upr74A.Zip                    01-25-98         175,838
   (V7.4a) - 21UPRT.ZIP - FREEWARE OS/2 program to print 2UP in landscape mode
   or 1UP in portrait mode on laser printers using PPDS, PCL or PostScript
   commands. Will number lines or support ANSI control characters. Suppresses
   multiple blank lines and page ejects. Supports A4 (European) paper size and
   other functions. Roger Lapp - [e-mail]
---

From Pete Norloff's BBS:
---
CPRINT.ZIP    57K  6-25-94  CPRINT v5.04 Text File Format/Print Utility. Print
                            both sides of paper; headers; margins; page length
                            control; etc, etc. Useful for text docs and
                            program source files. Source incl.

LJ2OS2.ZIP    60K  4-28-93  Print 2-up on HP Laserjet. This program prints a
                            series of files on the LaserJet printer. The files
                            are printed in landscape font at 17 cpi. Two
                            "pages" of information from the file are printed
                            on each piece of paper.

MPAGE.ZIP    112K  9-25-97  Mpage is a program to reduce and print multiple
                            pages of text per sheet on a PostScript compatible
                            printer.
---

Another alternative is to import your text document into StarOffice and
rearrange the number of columns and font size to suit yourself.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 12:53:05
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

 Linda Proulx,

21-Oct-99 01:09:14, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
  -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
          Subject: Re: Warp 3 install

 AR>> AdeptXBBS is an integrated full featured (including Internet)
 AR>> native OS/2 BBS. ---

 LP> Wow.  A sysop.  I appreciate sysops.

 LP> If I can ever get to someone with Inet, do you allow telnet to your bbs?

Yes, but I'm not on the net full time, since I have a dynamic IP address.
Best to check out IRC SysOpNet irc.isonline.com channel #adept first and see
if I'm there (sometimes between 10PM - 2AM).  Or send me an E-Mail to
designate a particular time, which is probably the better alternative.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Andy Roberts                                      21-Oct-99 13:04:28
  To: Will Honea                                        22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Cad

 Will Honea,

20-Oct-99 23:27:04, Will Honea wrote to Andy Roberts
 WH> Andy Roberts wrote to Rich Wonneberger on 10-20-1999
          Subject: Cad

 WH> Andy, I found at least 15 ftp sites that have all 3 files, about the
 WH> same size (Whoops, just checked the d/l and the files I got are all a
 WH> few k larger than what you report, for all the good that does).

Probably a ZIP comment difference.

 WH> These zips all have 1996 files dates with the files inside having mostly
 WH> 12/96 or 1/96 dates.

Humm... Looking just in those 3 most are 96 or 97, but ...

 WH> What are the dates on your executables and/or the version number for
 WH> what you have?

12-21-98 BlueCAD for OS2 version 1.010

That's from 1 of 12 files in my BlueCAD archive on the BBS.

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Apan1.Zip                       05-23-97         105,274
    AutoPan 1.0 for BlueCAD.  It enables automatic panning of viewing area
    when the mouse reaches the window borders.

Appremov.Zip                    05-15-97          46,506
    Needed to remove installed applications from BlueCAD

Bc10Ose.Zip                     12-21-98       1,009,793
    BlueCAD for OS2 1.010 FIX INSTALLATION All Versions
    These fixes allow you to update your BlueCAD for OS2 version
    to the current 1.010 product version.
    To install the fixes:
    1) If BlueCAD is running, close it. Download the fix file to your hard
disk
    2) Expand it in a directory (eg c:\BlueCAD)
    3) From that directory execute PATCH.CMD. The parameter required is the
    BlueCAD installation directory. Now BlueCAD can be restarted.
    EXAMPLE:  C:\BLUECAD> PATCH c:\bluecad
    Updates/Problems fixed from latest update:
   - update of DXF and DWG filters
   - it wasn't possible to delete an empty layer just after
    deleting an entity on that layer.
   - "Unknown drawing format" error opening a drawing file after opening a
    symbol library with symbols in wrong format.
   - Dialog windows under the main windows after printing
    Notes:  Patches are cumulative; this patch replaces all previous ones.

Bc1Eng1.Zip                     02-19-97       1,318,781
    BlueCAD 1.008 1 of 3

Bc1Eng2.Zip                     02-19-97       1,337,600
    BlueCAD 1.008 2 of 3

Bc1Eng3.Zip                     02-19-97       1,282,074
    BlueCAD 1.008 3 of 3

Bcdwg02.Zip                     09-01-98         170,596
    Bcdwg is an filter for importing/exporting BlueCAD drawings in DWG
    format.  It is compatible with AutoCAD 12 and lower.
    Fixed version mismatch dialog

Dwg12.Zip                       10-06-98         574,932
    BlueCAD file converter for DWG format: can read a AutoCAD 14 drawing and
    convert it back to release 12

Mergebin.Zip                    11-19-96          55,769
    Needed for merging dll to BlueCAD 1.008

Pjdemoe.Zip                     10-23-96       1,335,338
    3D CAD similar to BlueCAD.  http://www.cadware.it

Quotax.Zip                      11-30-97           1,999
    BlueCAD 1.008 REXX macro for drawing Horizontal dimensions

Quotay.Zip                      11-30-97           1,996
    BlueCAD 1.008 REXX macro for drawing Vertical dimensions

 WH> I'm getting a bit tired of AutoCad 11 and the hassles with video!  If
 WH> your version has later executables and dll's than 1/96 I'd sure like to
 WH> try a copy if I could impose upon you.

I'll send you everything I have in ShareWare except PJDemoe.Zip.

 WH> Will Honea <[e-mail]>

5,760K on it's way.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  [e-mail]
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From: Holger Granholm                                   21-Oct-99 20:50:00
  To: Stephen Haffly                                    22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

In a message dated 10-19-99, Stephen Haffly said to Linda Proulx:

SH>Hi Linda,

 SH> If you were talking about Windows 3.x, then no, you wouldn't need it.

 LP> That's what I mean.  What about W4W stuff?

SH>Windows for Workgroups is Windows 3.11, so that would be covered.

So will Word4Windows which may be what she meant.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 17:47:25
  To: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Lawrence...

 Lawrence R. Mintz hastily said to Bob Wright:


 BW>> Your friend should probably use the program to create the
 BW>> floppies once they're downloaded.

 LRM> You don't need to create the numerous floppy disks if you use a program
 LRM> such as diunpack which unpacks the .dk* files into files on your hard
 LRM> disk. Diunpack can be found in fastk***.zip.   The last version I had
was
 LRM> fastk139, but there should be versions for cs140 and cs141 as well.

True enough. However in this case, Linda was having a friend d/l the fixpack
for her.  Since the fixpack wouldn't do a lot of good on the friend's hard
drive, it seemed to be a good idea to place them on some form of media that is
transportable.  :)

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 19:07:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Roy J. Tellason:


 RJT>> Connect has networking support.  Actually the pre-connect versions
 RJT>> have *some* networking support,  just tcp/ip when you install the
 RJT>> internet goodies from the bonus pack,  but it's a lot less than what
 RJT>> you get with connect...

 LP> I see.  How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

Not an issue, unless it's a cribbed version of the base OS.  AKAIK all
versions of Warp come with a Bonus Pak in the box --- both my basic red and
connect blue did.  So, if you have/obtain a blue version, make sure that you
have the corresponding Bonus Pak CD.  (Again, IIRC, basic blue and the
manufacturing refresh of red all come on cd's.  It's only the original red
that came on floppies.)

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 19:11:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Newbie

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Bob Wright:


 BW>> Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition doesn't
 BW>> get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the booted operating
 BW>> system..

 LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

I don't think that it's an absolute necessity.  The install diskette that
comes with OS/2 are bootable.  The "advanced install" sends you directly to
fdisk, so you can identify where to install boot manager, plus where to
install OS/2.

On the machines I've installed OS/2 on at home, I already had a DOS bootable
partition. (That's why the layout showed Boot Manager's partition after the
DOS partition).

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 19:18:21
  To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

Greetings, Jonathan...

 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard hastily said to Bob Wright:



 JdBP> So I don't understand.  What are you trying to say by simply cutting
and
 JdBP> pasting text that shows IBM's 16-bit CMD behaving in exactly the way
 JdBP> that I said that it behaves ?

Except that that wasn't specified, and I'm not a mind reader.  If you go back
and re-read Darren's message he explicity refers to Warp 3.0, fp 40 and **32**
bit CMD.EXE.

Since I'm running Connect with FP40, it seems reasonable to suppose that
cmd.exe had been updated to 32-bit.

 JdBP>   Are you saying that you want the 32-bit
 JdBP> CMD ?  (-:

Putting words in my mouth won't wash, either.


        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 19:47:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Newbie

Greetings, Rodrigo...

 Rodrigo Cesar Banhara hastily said to Bob Wright:

 BW>> WinNt   Bootable        C:Primary       NTFS
 BW>> nnn Mb None            D:Logical       FAT
 BW>> None            E:Logical       FAT
 BW>> OS/2    Bootable        F:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            G:Logical       HPFS
 BW>> None            H:Logical       NTFS

 RCB> wow!! 8 partitions, how a drive accept only 4 partitions,
 RCB> I presume which you have two harddrives, right?!

Actually I don't.  What I do have is three primary (including Boot Manager)
and one extended partitions.  An extended partition can be broken down into
quite a number of "logical" partitions.  So "drives" D: through H: are
contained within the extended partition.

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 19:57:24
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Warp 3 install

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Bob Wright:


 -=>> Bob Wright wrote to Linda Proulx <=-

 BW>> However, I *do* agree with the rest of Peter's comments here..  I only
 BW>> have FAT partitions so that the DOS partition will function, and for
 BW>> those things that I run from multiple platforms (Front Door being the
 BW>> most common one..).

 LP> But I hate the thought if giving up a 1 g drive partition to OS2 only.

Ah, but you don't have to.  If you make it an extended partition, you can have
a whole bunch of different logical drives, each with a different file system.
All my logical drives from D: on are in one partition.

        -- Bob

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From: Bob Wright                                        21-Oct-99 20:04:15
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Y2K

Greetings, Linda...

 Linda Proulx hastily said to Don Guy:


 DG>> OTOH if you mean "plain" Warp 3 vs. Warp Connect, I believe the same
 DG>> fixpacks can be used for each.

 LP> Would be nice <G>.

It is correct.  I used fixpak 26 on both my "plain" Warp red and my Warp
Connect blue.

        -- Bob

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From: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 18:26:16
  To: MIKE RUSKAI                                       22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Questions...

On 19 Oct 99  07:18:00 MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JAN DEBOER...

 JD> Can anyone recommend a good (freeware) file manager? I mean, how could
 JD> they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move or rename
 JD> files????????????!!!!!!!

 MR> They didn't.  It doesn't include a conventional file manager, for
 MR> certain. However, there's no such limitations on what you can do
 MR> with the drive objects.

FAR too many mouse clicks to get to a file via that route!

 MR> You might be confused by the fact that
 MR> dragging and dropping is accomplished in OS/2 with the second
 MR> mouse button (the right one, for right-handed people).

Can't recall if I ever figured that out on the original install or not,
but having in the interim used W9x's, I found out this time, probably
from force of habit.

 MR> You can
 MR> rename something by holding down the ALT key while clicking on
 MR> the title text.

Ah, so that's the secret! I wondered, because there wasn't any 'rename'
choice on the menu in the drive objects.

It's all academic now, because I found "File Freedom", a nice freeware
file manager. Two clicks and I'm where I wanna be! Moves AND renames!
Thanks for the help and info!

...
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From: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 18:35:21
  To: Cyrill Vakhneyev                                  22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Questions...

On 20 Oct 99  11:07:08 Cyrill Vakhneyev wrote to Jan Deboer...

 CV> 18 Oct 99 13:29, Jan Deboer wrote to All:
 JD> all the reasons I gave up on it in the first place. Can anyone
 JD> recommend a good (freeware) file manager?
 CV> VIO: File Commander(shareware, but it's a best choice), ZTreeBold
 CV> . GUI: FileFreedom, Larsen Commander.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Found FileFreedom - works great, exactly what I needed.

 JD> I mean, how could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let
 JD> you move or rename files????????????!!!!!!!
 CV> You wrong. WPS can move and rename. But it's not so easy.

Not exactly intuitive, is it! No wonder it bombed in the home pc
market.

...
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From: Jan Deboer                                        21-Oct-99 18:39:01
  To: Jan Danielsson                                    22-Oct-99 08:23:00
Subj: Questions...

Hello Jan,

On 19 Oct 99  23:02:04 Jan Danielsson wrote to Jan Deboer...

 JD> [...]
 JD> could they sell Warp3 with a file manger that doesn't let you move
 JD> or rename files????????????!!!!!!!

 JD> WPS (the shell) replaces the need for 'filmanagers'. Simply open
 JD> the Drives-folder, and open whichever drive you wish to access.

Too many levels to click through. Installed File Freedom. Much more
convenient. Thanks for the info.

...
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From: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 19:53:10
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 10:18:16
Subj: Re: More Questions

Hi Linda,

 LP> Can a ram disk be used?

 PK> Yes, I use one on the BBS. The driver is called
 PK> VDISK and is located in the \OS2\BOOT directory.

 LP> Can this be used for the swap file?  Would it ber worth it?

I dont think it can because OS/2 clears out and prepares the Swap file ready
for use BEFORE the VDISK driver would be loaded... Even if it could, it would
be a pointless exercise, the memory used for the VDISK would be better used
for running code.

In my case I have 128Mb RAM in this machine, and with everytihng loaded and
running I rarely use more than about 86Mb, so I dont need a swap file unless I
run something that uses heaps of memory resource. If you have enough memory
you can disable the swap file so OS/2 retains everything in memory, but if it
runs out of real memory, it can be fatal...

Cheers.........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 19:54:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 10:18:16
Subj: Re: Warp 3 install

Hi Linda,

 PK> The OS/2 install notes suggest that even under OS/2, the HPFS driver
 PK> requires considerable memory and should not really
 PK> be used on a memory

 LP> Good info.  Than still not certain that there is a reason to actually
 LP> HPFS any drive than if I want to have the memory available.

Thats one of the frustrating things about setting up a decent multi-tasking
operating system, there is no one set of rules that will work best for
everyone. If you can provide us with some info on the H/W platform you intend
to use, and the functioanlity you want it to run, then we may be able to
suggest options that wouuld give you the most "bang for the buck".

My general rules are that even if my machine only had 8MB of memory, I would
use HPFS over FAT any time! HPFS is very close to the top of my "must have"
list, its an absolute top performer in my books.

Cheers.........pk.


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From: Peter Knapper                                     22-Oct-99 19:56:16
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 10:18:16
Subj: Re: What Need ?

Hi Linda,

 PK> If I read your question correctly, you are talking about APPLICATION
 PK> .DLL files that are NOT part of the Operating System. These are not
 PK> provided with OS/2 just the same as they are not provided with
 PK> Windows...

 LP> Correct.  Which ones would I be looking for?

I have NEVER installed an OS/2 application that did not provide any external
DLL files it needed, so I would suspect that there is no need to actually look
for anything.

I guess you must be thinking of the VBRUN.DLL for Windows programs written in
Virtual Basic. IMHO that DLL should have been provided by ALL applications
that needed it, however because it was so commonly used it was often
distributed as a seperate entity and was nenver noticed as missing because the
user most likely had it.

Probably the only DLL in this area that I use is VROBJ, it relates to the REXX
environment, and it is often supplied with any REXX apps that need it. If you
are not going to work with REXX, then you wont need it (unless you end up
running 3rd party apps that need it).

Regards..........pk.


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From: Bat Lang                                          22-Oct-99 01:39:03
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 12:16:03
Subj: NS/N 4.61 + JavaRT 1.18

Thanks to Andy Roberts, Mike Ruskai and Will Honea for their detailed
setup info regarding the <subj> setup. Thanks to your combined input,
which was pretty straightforward, I was able to make the needed changes
to load www.discovery.com.

During the loading of files at the screen bottom, there comes a

"Starting Java..." (which formerly caused NSN to abort),
then finally, "Starting Java...Done" Nice to see after all those
aborts. }^:  Thanks again, fellas, and Good Modeming!  /\oo/\


... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: [e-mail]

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From: Bob Bainbridge                                    22-Oct-99 12:32:15
  To: Mike Roark                                        22-Oct-99 12:32:15
Subj: Warp 3 Install

 MR> I should have mentioned that. Thanks.. But correct me
 MR> if I'm wrong, but doesn't OS/2 Fdisk ask for either the
 MR> beginning or end of Free Space? It's been so long since
 MR> I've done it that way I forgot..

No, you just select the desired free space area and click on INSTALL BM.

Bob Bainbridge <Team OS/2>
[e-mail] [e-mail]


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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 20:38:00
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: long lines

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> I use Golded/2 v3

RB> But Golded/2 is for BBS! Its an app for the server side.

Golded/2 is an offline fido message reader/editor, not part of a BBS. You
don't need a BBS to use Golded, I don't have a BBS and I use Golded. It
supports messagebase formats of a few BBS-programs but there is need to use
them if you don't have them.

RB>> BW dont "trim" but the reading is more troubled & replies too.

ET>> Why don't you try Golded/2 or another reader? There are plenty of
ET>> OS/2 message readers.

RB> I know a few.. MultiMail/2 I dont like, KWQ/2 is for QWK.

some text from various file-id.diz files:

     Sqed/32  v1.14a 30/03/99

Sqed/32 is a FidoNet<tm> compatible msg
reader/editor for OS/2 3.x/4.x PM.

Supports Fido *.MSG and Squish formats,
User configurable toolbar, Drag&Drop,
quote highlighting, external message
tools (like spellcheckers, PGP, etc.),
external file area tools, CHRS kludge
Version7 nodelist, pipe control,
REXX support, Reminder and many more.

Note: Sqed/32 is a PM/WPS program (GUI)
Sqed/32 is a free program

homepage of SQED:
http://computer.freepage.de/herosen/

--------------------------------------

textmode message reader / editors
(the notes are from myself):

TimEd 1.10; Fast msg editor supporting
Squish, JAM, *.MSG and Hudson bases;
With internal editor. OS/2 version.

Note: TimEd is a little crude, but
fast, it misses some features, is free
but not in development anymore. It uses
any text mode size you can set.
(don't know where you could download
TimEd, probably Hobbes)


GoldED 3.0.1 Official Release
By Odinn Sorensen, FidoNet 2:236/77.
Homepage: http://www.goldware.dk.
OS/2 version.

Note: Golded is now an open source program
(meaning it is free), it supports message
bases in the formats Hudson, Goldbase, JAM,
Squish, OPUS *.MSG, FTS-1 *.MSG, Ezycom,
PCBoard. Golded is very versatile and very
configurable, it doesn't have a configuration
program and all configuration is done with
text files so configuration requires lots of
reading and a lot of time. Golded uses any
text mode size you can set.


RB> What are others options?
RB> (is excelent a reader whit copy&paste support)

All of them support copy & paste in one way or another (text mode programs
automatically because that is built into the windowed session).

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... DOS: poorhouse. OS/2: penthouse. Windows: outhouse.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 21:32:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> Here emx dont work very well & not only this, nftp 1.53 dont run!

I haven't used nftp, I use wget to get files from internet

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... UNIX has gurus.  OS/2 has evangelists.  Windows has penitents.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 21:34:09
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: help please?

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> 800x600 is too small, 1024x768 is small but better...

then you need at least a good 17 inch monitor.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... I am Fudd of Borg! Pwepawe to be assimiwated!
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 21:37:10
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Need OS/2

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> General rule: the older the mainboard BIOS, the less new devices
ET>> like big IDE harddisks can be used.

RB> But 1997 is old?!

It's crucial for a mainboard that the BIOS is upgradeable (flash-ROM makes it
possible to upgrade the BIOS with a downloadable BIOS file and an appropriate
program).

RB> What mainboard then? PIII-450 capable? (i want it! 8)

for such a processor, I think a mainboard from 1997 is too old.
the mainboard must have the slot the processor fits in.
the mainboard must support the voltage levels the processor uses.
make sure the mainboard is suitable for the processor you want.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... I fought the lawn and the lawn won.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 22:05:24
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Netscape Communicator

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> The download of NS, for example. It have a graphic file, not
RB> a link, it isn't possible to do copy&paste on it...

then start the download, see if you can copy & paste somehow the link
location?

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... WindowError:007 System price error.  Inadequate money spent.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 22:09:22
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Why is this?

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

RB> They: the places with fixpaks cdroms for sale.

ask / email BMT Micro for more information

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... Windows: For $99 it turns your 486 into an XT!
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 22:12:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Installing Fixpack?

Hello Rodrigo,

16 Oct 99 03:48, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

ET>> Dfsee (www.fsys.demon.nl) is free to use, but it's not easy to use.

RB> Explain it for me. =)

I have used dfsee only a few times and only to look at how the HPFS is
structured. I don't have the time to study it to explain it, but even when
I've time I find it difficult to use dfsee.

ET>> You can ask for a cdrom with fixpaks, I think?

RB> Maybe, the credit card is a major problem...

maybe some sort of a bank exchange? but it can be different in each country, I
don't know what the possibilities are for you.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... How to neutralize the Borg: Install Windows on their system.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 23:01:18
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Newbie

Hello Linda,

17 Oct 99 16:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Bob Wright:

BW>> Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition
...snip...

LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

No, bootmanager is/can be installed when OS/2 is installed.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... C:\DOS\RUN\WINDOWS  C:WINDOWS\CRASH C:\ME\DEL\WINDOWS
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 23:03:05
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Linux

Hello Stewart,

12 Oct 99 08:43, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Eddy Thilleman:

SH> The WPS isn't the GUI, though.

The WPS is a graphical program environment.

SH> OS/2 starts something along the lines of X11,

What's 'X11' ?

SH> and the WPS is simply the window manager.

I thought PM (program manager) is the window manager?

SH> Yes, I have tried using CMD.EXE as my RUNWORKPLACE, and yes, it does
SH> work well. If I were running a server that I was ignoring I'd use that
SH> option. The thing is, I'm using this as my personnal machine, so I
SH> want the pretties (WPS, Object Desktop, the works).

Me too. For years I had an emergency boot partition with cmd.exe as the only
user shell.

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... Secretaries do it when their bosses aren't looking.
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From: Eddy Thilleman                                    19-Oct-99 23:49:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: faxworks

Hello Rodrigo,

17 Oct 99 15:51, Tony Pater wrote to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara:

RCB>> It is prog absolutely useless for me. I want fax but isn't
RCB>> possible.

Now I remember this

TP> It certainly is possible; just have to type your message into
TP> the notes part as I recall. I've used it prior to purchasing
TP> 'Faxworks Pro'.

Yep, you just have to whatever you want to fax, send (in some way) to the
virtual port (the 'printer' driver), print to the LPT port it uses (LPT3:
IIRC), or type the text to LPT3:

TP> The version provided free with OS/2 is the 'lite' version and doesn't
TP> have the ability to import text from another file, etc.

Not from a file, printing or typing (text) to it

  Greetings   -=Eddy=-        email: [e-mail]

... Windows is for fun, OS/2 is for getting things done.
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From: Roy J. Tellason                                   22-Oct-99 09:23:18
  To: John Thompson                                     22-Oct-99 14:49:17
Subj: Y2K

John Thompson wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 JT> In a message to Linda Proulx, Roy J. Tellason wrote re: Y2K

LP> How would the Red bonus pack work with the straight blue?

RT> I have no idea as to how the bonus packs would differ from one
RT> version to the other,  or if indeed they would differ at all.
RT> The two copies of OS/2 I have here are both blue,  for whatever
RT> that's worth...

 JT> I have both red and blue here; the Bonus Pack is the same for
 JT> both.

I would have thought that'd be the case,  but wasn't sure...

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From: Leonard Erickson                                  22-Oct-99 00:39:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 16:18:08
Subj: Processors, experience, etc

 -=> Quoting Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Leonard Erickson <=-

 LE> You do pay for this. Anytime a new byte isn't ready to be sent in
 LE> time, you have to add a "dummy" byte to maintain synch. And usually,
 LE> you dedicate one byte value to this, and have to use some sort of
 LE> escape char to actually send that value. Even so, synch is still faster
 LE> than async.

 LE> synch links tend to be *inherently* bi-directional also.

 LE> The main reason I'm interested in synch links is because I've got a
 LE> pair of CSU/DSU units that can do 56k if connected to a sync
 LE> interface, and only 19.2k if hooked to an async one.

 RCB> Interesting!! Neat, truely... 8)
 RCB> Part2: Driver for OS/2?!

That's another problem. :-)

First you need to find a synch card, then you need to find/write a
driver.

 RCB> Where may be found this type of modem?

A CSU/DSU isn't a modem. It's *digital* interface, not an analog one.
These are old and fairly obsolete. They're intended for leased lines or
possibly the old "switched 56k" service.

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From: Scott Jones                                       21-Oct-99 15:14:12
  To: Bat Lang                                          22-Oct-99 16:18:08
Subj: Re: WGET153

-=> On 21 Oct 99  00:17:30, Bat Lang wrote to Scott Jones <=-


 SJ> Norloff's BBS as AWGT1512.ZIP.  I use it fairly regularly.
 SJ> Installation and configuration is quite easy, and it's freeware.

 BL> I seldom (read: almost never) resort to drag 'n drop since I never use
 BL> a gui to do a text kind of job. I always prefer text type tools to GUI,
 BL> which is why I like NFTP, OS2C et al. I don't even own a mouse. {^;

I don't use a mouse, either (well, okay, it's a trackball ;)).  I tend
to prefer text-mode when I can get it, but will make do with GUI if
necessary.

 BL> BTW, I already have in my CFSys file: "SET HOME=D:\NcFTP\".
 BL> Is that similar to the PATH in that it can take multiple entries,
 BL> delimited by ';'?

 SJ> No, it only takes one entry.

 BL> That seems short sighted of OS/2. I have seen several pgms that asked

It's more of an artifact of the *nix environment these programs came
from.  There, each user usually has their own directory under /home
where various programs keep configuration files specific to that user.
Of course, this concept doesn't work quite the same under a single-user
OS such as OS/2.

 BL> for that entry for THEIR pgm. Does that mean multiple entries of
 BL> SET HOME=<whatever>. ??  Thanks, as always for your good counsel.

There can only be one "SET HOME=" entry.

One can, however, start a program via a .cmd file with a SET HOME=
statement in it, which will override the global HOME variable.
Personally, I prefer having just the one HOME directory, as it allows me
to keep each individual apps config files in one central location that is
easy to backup.

                              Scott Jones
                        ([e-mail])


... I know that she loves me when there's an absence of gunfire and lawsuits.

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From: Lawrence R. Mintz                                 22-Oct-99 19:38:00
  To: Bob Wright                                        22-Oct-99 19:48:14
Subj: Y2K

 BW> Greetings, Lawrence...

 BW>  Lawrence R. Mintz hastily said to Bob Wright:


 BW>>> Your friend should probably use the program to create the
 BW>>> floppies once they're downloaded.

 LRM>> You don't need to create the numerous floppy disks if you use a program
 LRM>> such as diunpack which unpacks the .dk* files into files on your hard
 LRM>> disk. Diunpack can be found in fastk***.zip.   The last version I had
 LRM>> was
 LRM>> fastk139, but there should be versions for cs140 and cs141 as well.

 BW> True enough. However in this case, Linda was having a
 BW> friend d/l the fixpack for her.  Since the fixpack
 BW> wouldn't do a lot of good on the friend's hard drive, it
 BW> seemed to be a good idea to place them on some form of
 BW> media that is transportable.  :)

Unless both of them have the very popular zip drives.

Larry

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From: Kenneth Abrams                                    21-Oct-99 23:29:10
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                22-Oct-99 19:48:14
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

Hello Stewart,

21 Oct 99 10:33, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Jack Stein:

 SH> This, and all other responses about multi-tasking are completely
 SH> irrelevant, and 100% non-helpful.

And all completely in response to *your* statement that OS/2 is GUI-based
(which it is NOT) and additional statements made by you regarding booting OS/2
to text mode.

 SH> Running in text-only mode is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I want to be able to use

It is, however, completely possible, despite statements by you indicating
otherwise.

 SH> my 4 MB EDO S3 Virge/DX video card with OS/2 Warp 4 without my system
 SH> crashing when I get to a DOS prompt. Unless anybody can help me
 SH> with this problem, rather than going off on a tangeant about booting
 SH> to text mode, please do not respond.

You didn't *ask* for help or really describe any such problem. You said:

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and
 SH> it wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This statement is completely false and *that* is what brought on the
discussion about booting it to text mode. Nobody went off on a tangent, we
merely responded to incorrect statements *you* made.


Kenneth ([e-mail])

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From: Lee Aroner                                        21-Oct-99 21:17:00
  To: Mike Ruskai                                       22-Oct-99 19:48:14
Subj: Version 2.x SysLevel ??

MR> Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to All
  > on 10-19-99  20:33 about Version 2.x SysLevel ??...

 LA> Is there anyone out there with a copy of OS/2 2.x that's loaded
 LA> on a machine? If so, could you tell me how IBM handled the
 LA> SysLevel thing in that version?

 LA> I've written some code to get the syslevel out of the
 LA> \OS2\INSTALL\SYSLEVEL.OS2 file for use in my programs, but I'm
 LA> not sure how this was handled (or the file location) in versions
 LA> prior to 3.0.

 LA> Can anyone help me out on this?

MR> Since the Warp 3 upgrade edition wouldn't install without it, I can
  > positively state that the location was indeed \OS2\INSTALL.  Every time I
  > installed it, I needed to copy SYSLEVEL.OS2 from disk 1 from OS/2 2.1 (a 5
  > 1/4" floppy!) to that directory first (until I realized that the one from
  > Warp 3 would work just as well).

MR> The format of the file appears to be basically the same.  I'll let you
  > judge for yourself:

MR> http://home.att.net/~thanny/syslevel.os2

MR> That file was uploaded right off of disk 1 of my OS/2 2.1 installation
  > floppies.

   Thanks for the try, but nothing much comes up at that
   URL...appears your ISP is treating it as a text file and only
   transmitting the 7 bit portions.

   How bout a file attach to:  [e-mail] ?

   Thanks,

                                               LRA


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From: John Angelico                                     22-Oct-99 00:14:02
  To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara                             22-Oct-99 19:48:14
Subj: faxworks

On 17/10/1999, Tony Pater said to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara about faxworks:

TP>
TP>  RCB> It is prog absolutely useless for me. I want fax but isn't possible.
TP>
TP>  Rodrigo....
TP>  It certainly is possible; just have to type your message into the
TP>  notes part as I recall. I've used it prior to purchasing
TP>  'Faxworks Pro'.
TP>  The version provided free with OS/2 is the 'lite' version and doesn't
TP>  have the ability to import text from another file, etc.
TP>
Tony & Rodrigo, please check the online docs and if necessary uninstall
and re-install. I used the Lite version for quite a while to fax out before
buying the FaxWorks Pro version.

I could write a fax in a word processor (eg DeScribe, ClearLook, EPM even
E) and  print to the Fax device.

I could also fax from DOS or Win-OS2 sessions by printing to LPT3 which
FaxPrint monitors to capture the data stream for faxing.

Naturally, you need a fax/modem connected to a Com port and working to
succeed.

John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: [e-mail]

___
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concern..

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From: Ron Nicholls                                      16-Oct-99 09:32:00
  To: Murray Lesser                                     16-Oct-99 09:32:00
Subj: It's not quite over

ML>     Since the above interchange with Bob, I managed to tell
ML> ibm.net that I didn't want to move to WorldNet.  Come October 1, I
ML> found myself on AT&T Business net, with an @attglobal.net address.
ML> Since I am using the IBM OS/2 Internet Access Dialer (DIALER.EXE),
ML> my User ID object was updated automatically on the morning of
ML> October 1.  Although I don't use

Mine seems to have updated as well.


ML>   What dialer are you using?


The same - "Dialer exe"

Checking with the dialer log script from Oct 5  it still
shows "news1.ibm".
Next time I connect I save the script and check again

-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls                                      16-Oct-99 09:35:01
  To: Bob Wright                                        16-Oct-99 09:35:01
Subj: It's not quite over

BW> RN> Same here, except "news1"  is still 'news1.ibm.net'.
BW>
BW>  RN> All this changed over at the last log on, apparently, and I wonder
BW>  RN> if the 'news1' is a glitch.
BW>
BW> I wonder... mine did change over to "news1.attglobal.net".
BW>

My user 'ID'  profile has been since updated, so we'll see.

-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls                                      22-Oct-99 00:00:02
  To: All                                               22-Oct-99 00:00:02
Subj: Netscape and Java

To all

I bit the bullet and downloaded netscape 461
and java 118 and proceeded into difficulties.

Netscape installed without trauma, I had to download
"Feature Install" before I could install Java. ( I think I
prefer the old install routine, Wizards suck)

Only the runtime and font could be selected, the other
options ( toolkit,etc ) were grayed out. According to
the readme these programs may not have been downloaded.

No other programs are at the software choice site and for
clarification the download I do have is

-- IBM OS/2 Warp Developer Kit Java (TM) Technology
-- Edition Version 1.1.8     all 20 meg of it.

This is supposed to contain all the options.

After rebooting from the install the locked file driver
states.
          LS10006  insufficient space to process locked files.

although I have a gig spare on the drive; it is unknown if
install has completed succesfully.

A quirk in the new netscape may or may not be related.
I logged onto the comp.os.os2 newgroup to see if the
problem was mine alone and found that netsscape
would only display the message header and not the
body of the message, although the  progress indicator
shows several K dowloading with each message.

Anyone else have these symptoms?

-
-
Regards RonN
-
PS I noticed Yahoo has been dropped from
net461 search list.

I logged on to Yahoo anyway and found
that no type in field is provided for search key word
only a search button.

Other search engines are OK???????
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From: George White                                      20-Oct-99 09:04:27
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    22-Oct-99 23:30:00
Subj: Re: E-Mail servers??

Hi Jack,

On 17-Oct-99, Jack Pfisterer wrote to Russell Tiedt:

 DE>> I believe that Warp 4 ships with a version of Sendmail ported to
 DE>> Os/2. Look in tcp/ip config.

 RT>> Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far as
 RT>> I can see there is no way to do much usefull with it, at least I
 RT>> have found nothing that suggests how one might go about it, and
 RT>> my experience with sendmail on Linux has so far not been good.

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace
 JP> of documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

There is some form of it in the comments in the configuration files.
Other people have described the configuration files as "arcane",
to me the commands look like random collections of letters and
numbers...
However, it appears to be the bog standard sendmail, complete with
copyrights, so any documentation (say from *NIX) should apply.

 JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?  Running
 JP> it without arguments or with /H or /? or help as arguments
 JP> produces quite uninformative error messages.  "Help Sendmail"
 JP> produces a "topic not found" error message.

Yep - not very helpful is it.
Given the obscurity of the configuration files, I'm not sure I want to
touch them anyway.

George

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From: George White                                      20-Oct-99 09:34:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: W 4 difs.

Hi Linda,

On 18-Oct-99, Linda Proulx wrote to All:

 LP> What is the diff between the various flavours or Warp 4?

There is only one retail version of Warp 4.

George

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 10:11:14
  To: Sean Dennis                                       22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: LS-120

 SD> Didn't IBM release a LS-120 driver some time ago?

OS/2 Warp 4.0 fixpack 6 .  I'm using it here.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 10:16:04
  To: Russell Tiedt                                     22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: E-Mail servers??

 RT> Yes. I am running Warp 3 Connect, it has sendmail, but as far as I can
 RT> see there is no way to do much usefull with it, at least I have found
 RT> nothing that suggests how one might go about it, [...]

It's the standard UCB sendmail.  It's difficult to configure because of
sendmail.cf, but that's simply a design flaw of UCB sendmail.  The OS/2 port
does everything that can be done with UCB sendmail except for those rare
things that require sockets as standard input (such as BSMTP).

In particular, the usual "sendmail -bd -q30m" will run a sendmail daemon
listening on the SMTP port for incoming mail, and will deliver it according to
the rewrite and mailer rules set up in sendmail.cf .  (OS/2 Warp's TCP/IP
Configuration utility will cause the sendmail daemon to be started in the
proper manner if you ask it to.)

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 10:45:26
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: Newbie

 BW>> Actually the way it works, is that the BootManager partition doesn't
 BW>> get a drive letter, thus it is always hidden from the booted
 BW>> operating system..

 LP> But doesn't it have to be bootable to dos before OS2 is installed?

That's Dual Boot.  Boot Manager does not require DOS in any way.

Boot Manager is, essentially, a mini-operating system that lives in a
partition all of its own, that does nothing more than present a large blue
window on the screen listing the bootable volumes for the user to select a
volume to boot from, and then load and execute the selected volume's boot
sector.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 11:02:11
  To: Bat Lang                                          22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: New DATE and TIME commands

 JdBP>> Are you saying that you want the 32-bit CMD ?  (-:

 BL> Affirmative!

If all that you want are the new 32-bit DATE and TIME commands, by the way,
then I should point out that they (and several other commands) are pretty much
complete already.  They can be used without having to use the 32-bit CMD
itself.  (Although I'm not going to bundle them separately, so if one wants
them one will have to obtain a pre-release version of the entire package.)

It's difficult to use them if you use IBM's 16-bit CMD, because the built-in
DATE and TIME commands get in the way.  You'll have to invoke them using their
full pathnames.  If you are a 4OS2 user, you are luckier because you can use
SETDOS /i-DATE and SETDOS /i-TIME to disable 4OS2's built-in DATE and TIME
commands (which don't support the /N option either) and use the new ones
instead.

( One of the consequences of the design philosophy of the 32-bit CMD is that
it allows much easier "drop in" replacement of "standard" commands in
situations such as this, because it is much more modular.  So the irony is
that if you were using the 32-bit CMD already, you wouldn't have this problem
in the first place. (-: )

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 11:39:12
  To: JOHN HENTSCH                                      22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: GEN GRADD!

 JH> What exactly is a GADD driver anyway?

GRADD, not GADD.  "GRaphics Adapter Device Driver".

GRADD was a new graphics subsystem that was invented for PowerPC OS/2.  IBM
had to invent one because the "base video handler" subsystems on Intel OS/2
(BVHVGA.DLL and so forth) were strongly tied to the PC architecture and the
Intel CPU, which of course PowerPC machines do not have.  (-:  So GRADD was
invented.

GRADD is a much better design than the old one (which has its roots in
Microsoft OS/2 version 1.1, believe it or not), and it was reverse-ported to
Intel OS/2.  It's designed to provide generic support with device driver
"chains", giving the potential for flexibility.  It is designed to support
seamless Windows, text mode, and PM with a single underlying device driver,
rather than having (as is the case pre-GRADD on Intel OS/2) multiple
co-operating but independent display driver subsystems, one for each.

From the OEM's point of view, also, it allows the portion of the display
device driver that has to be written by the OEM to be smaller, since it
provides IBM-supplied fallback functions (in SOFTDRAW.DLL) that will emulate
in software most drawing primitives that are required by Presentation
Manager's Graphics Engine (PMGRE), allowing an OEM to produce a fully
functional (but unaccelerated) display driver with a minimum of coding effort.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 11:39:29
  To: Jack Pfisterer                                    22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: sendmail

 JP> I see that I too have Sendmail with Warp 4--but can find no trace of
 JP> documentation for it, either hard copy on on line.

 JP> Where can I find out what this beast is and how it works?

You'll be cheered up to know that a whole industry has grown around trying to
help people to use sendmail.  There are "pocket guide" books in bookshops, web
sites, user groups, and consultants for hire.

UCB sendmail is one of the most complex to configure applications that exist.
It has been said that the contents of its configuration file most closely
resemble modem line noise.  Like Microsoft DOS-Windows is the most widely used
PC operating system, UCB sendmail is the most widely used SMTP server.  Like
Microsoft DOS-Windows, the complexity of UCB sendmail's configuration has
caused the growth of a market segment that simply wouldn't exist otherwise.
And like Microsoft DOS-Windows there are much better alternatives to UCB
sendmail available that those in the know use instead, such as qmail, postfix,
mmdf, and zmailer (alas, none of which have been ported to OS/2 -- but there
are other native OS/2 SMTP servers).

Here's a *very* simplified overview:

        To send a message (must already be in RFC822 format):

                sendmail -bm < message_file.txt

        To run the daemon that listens on the SMTP port for incoming messages:

                sendmail -bd

        To perform one pass over the queue of messages pending delivery:

                sendmail -q

        To run as a daemon making regular passes over the queue every 30
minutes:

                sendmail -q30m

        To combine the SMTP and queue daemons into one:

                sendmail -bd -q1h

For more information on the command-line syntax, go to "Reference and
Commands" in the OS/2 Warp 4 "Information" folder, open the _TCP/IP Command
Reference_ on-line book, and read the "sendmail Client" and "sendmail Server"
sections.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 11:40:10
  To: Jean-Michel Dossogne                              22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: chinon cd-rom & warp

 JD> I have a file called chincds1.flt, [...]

And is that file listed in a BASEDEV= line in CONFIG.SYS on the disc ?  What
about the driver for the underlying SCSI Host Adapter ?

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         20-Oct-99 12:47:29
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 SH> When I applied a fixpack (12) to OS/2, the video drivers barfed and it
 SH> wouldn't boot. Since OS/2 is GUI based, I was screwed.

 JdBP>> Except that, of course, OS/2 *isn't* GUI based at all.  Workplace
 JdBP>> Shell's user interface is GUI based, but Workplace Shell is *not*
 JdBP>> OS/2.  It's an OS/2 application, just like any other.  It merely
 JdBP>> happens to be the OS/2 application that is first run on most machines.
 JdBP>>
 JdBP>> It's quite easy to boot OS/2 to text-mode.  Just press ALT-F1 when
 JdBP>> the white "██ OS/2" blob appears, and then choose the option to
 JdBP>> boot to a command line.

 SH> Can I load Netscape?

You've just booted to text-mode, remember.  So: Is Netscape a text-mode
program ?

( Actually, you can load Netscape, or indeed any PM program, including
PMSHELL.EXE.  PM will try to start automatically and switch into graphics mode
to run the program.  However, the default CONFIG.SYS used when booted into
text-mode generally does not have the graphics display drivers configured --
which is of course desirable for its intended use as a text-mode fallback and
recovery position where no graphics drivers are loaded --, meaning that this
won't work unless the default config file is altered to include the
appropriate graphics display drivers.  To run graphical programs, boot to the
Maintenance Desktop, which uses a CONFIG.SYS that is configured with VGA
graphics display drivers. )

 SH> Can I multi-task?

Yes.  OS/2 *always* multitasks.  It's not something that can be turned off.
It's a fundamental part of the operating system and is always available, even
when OS/2 is booted to text mode.

For an example of this in action, HPFSVIEW from the Graham Utilities for OS/2
is a text-mode HPFS utility.  It is, however, multithreaded.  One thread
handles the user interface, and another thread scans the HPFS volume in the
background.  It runs without problem when OS/2 is booted to text mode.

 SH> Why install the overhead of OS/2, when I could just as easily run DOS?

The question presumes two things, both of which are in fact false.  It
presumes that OS/2 has some encumbering "overhead", and it presumes that DOS
is "just as easy".  In fact, the converse is true.  It is *DOS* that has the
encumbrances, and these can cause quite significant difficulties.  An example
of this is Partition Magic version 3.0, which has both OS/2 and DOS versions
of the utility.  The DOS PQMAGICD.EXE program uses the BIOS, and suffers from
the 1024 cylinder problem.  It prints an error when attempting to manipulate
partitions on large hard discs that are beyond the 7.87GiB line as a result.
The OS/2 PQMAGICT.EXE program, on the other hand, is a text-mode OS/2 program.
 Since OS/2 does not have a 1024 cylinder problem once it is fully running,
PQMAGICT can access any size hard disc drive.  The upshot of which is that the
OS/2 PQMAGICT program can in fact handle drives that the DOS PQMAGICD program
cannot.

Not only are there many native OS/2 recovery and maintenance tools (The Graham
Utilities for OS/2, The Gammatech Utilities for OS/2, PARTLIST from the OS/2
Command Line Utilities, even FDISK and CHKDSK), they also tend to be *better*,
since they do not suffer from the memory, single-tasking, and disc size
limitations of DOS and the BIOS that hamper such tools on DOS.

 SH> Tell me how to multitask without any PM activity loaded.

The question is founded on the incorrect premise that without PM OS/2 isn't
multitasking.  It is, of course, and so the question is nonsense.

I suspect that what you are *actually* asking is how to have *multiple display
sessions*.  That is nothing to do with multitasking whatsoever.  To have
multiple display sessions, one requires some program to act as the Session
Manager in order to manage them.  When OS/2 Warp is booted to the graphical
desktop, Workplace Shell, amongst many other functions, acts as the Session
Manager.  When OS/2 Warp is booted to text mode, no Session Manager is run in
the default configuration.

The answer is, therefore, to run a Session Manager, of course.  MSHELL is a
text-mode session manager, and so (if memory serves) is TSHELL.  Indeed, in
the days of OS/2 1.0 this is how OS/2 worked right out of the box.  Microsoft
dropped the text-mode session manager from OS/2 in favour of a graphical
session manager when it introduced Presentation Manager in OS/2 1.1, but
text-mode session managers are still available for OS/2 and still work.

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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard                         21-Oct-99 09:12:06
  To: Stewart Honsberger                                22-Oct-99 23:30:01
Subj: Text-mode OS/2

 JdBP>> Read the _Troubleshooting_ on-line book in your "Troubleshooting"
 JdBP>> folder.  Go to the _Solving Video Problems_ section under _Solving
 JdBP>> operating system problems_, click on the link to _Resolving display
 JdBP>> problems_ and then click on the "System will not restart on a High
 JdBP>> Resolution Display" symptom.

 SH> Has nothing to do with the resolution. [...listing of Fixpacks
deleted...]
 SH> Trapping *BEFORE* the PMSHELL appears indicates a
 SH> conflict with the drivers - not a resolution issue.

If by "resolution issue" you mean an incorrect choice of refresh rate that the
monitor cannot cope with, then if you read the section of the on-line
documentation indicated it should be clear from the text ("If you installed
support for a high-resolution display adapter and your system will not restart
[...]") that it isn't talking about refresh rate problems, either.   It is
talking about the case where the system does not actually restart, not the
situation where the system _does_ restart but the display on the monitor is
unreadable.

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From: Will Honea                                        22-Oct-99 23:27:00
  To: Ron Nicholls                                      22-Oct-99 23:27:00
Subj: Netscape and Java

Ron Nicholls wrote to All on 10-22-1999

RN> I bit the bullet and downloaded netscape 461
RN> and java 118 and proceeded into difficulties.

Headlong, at that <g>.

RN> Netscape installed without trauma, I had to download
RN> "Feature Install" before I could install Java. ( I think I
RN> prefer the old install routine, Wizards suck)

AMEN! - but you have to make compromises in this old world.

RN> Only the runtime and font could be selected, the other
RN> options ( toolkit,etc ) were grayed out. According to
RN> the readme these programs may not have been downloaded.

If you got a 20 meg file, it's likely javainuf.exe.  That's basically
the runtime with unicode support so you got what it says.  There's
another 64 meg or so if you want the full toolkit, swing, security,
etc.  Unless you intend to develop programs, you got what you need.

RN> After rebooting from the install the locked file driver
RN> states.
RN>           LS10006  insufficient space to process locked files.
RN>
RN> although I have a gig spare on the drive; it is unknown if
RN> install has completed succesfully.

Just in case: what's you Warp version and FP level?  What version of
FI did you install?

It seems that it's quite common for the Java install to terminate with
a 'failed' indicator at 90%+ - but it usually works anyway.  The only
locked files you should have had would be the Unicode libraries.  You
can boot to a command line (or floppy) and manually copy the suckers
out of the locked directory - can't recall the exact name, but it's
obvious.  Then delete the contents of that directory.  Next boot should
complete and remove the locked loader line from config.sys.

RN> A quirk in the new netscape may or may not be related.
RN> I logged onto the comp.os.os2 newgroup to see if the
RN> problem was mine alone and found that netsscape
RN> would only display the message header and not the
RN> body of the message, although the  progress indicator
RN> shows several K dowloading with each message.

Finally, an easy one.  Open 'preferences->font' and choose Courier
instead of Courier New.

BTW, is everyone aware of the ALT-CTL-T function in Comm/2 4.61 to
show the connected URLs?  Really nice for getting the full URL that's
truncated in the d/l window.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     22-Oct-99 21:40:00
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 21:40:00
Subj: Emacs

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-21-99, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara to Linda
Proulx (original topic: Warp 3 Install):

Hi Linda--

 LP> What is 'emacs' ?

RB>It is text editor ported from Linux. Difficult to use. I dont like.

    Emacs existed long before Linux was ever dreamed of.  It is a
very-capable text editor for Unix, written by (IIRC) a student at MIT in
the 1970's.  (I suppose I should never have thrown away those old
manuals, but I am still running out of bookcase space.)  I used a "port"
of emacs to CP/M (a "disk-oriented" operating system for desktop
computers powered by the eight-bit 8080 or Z80 cpu chips) in 1979.  The
port was named MINCE (MINCE Is Not Complete Emacs) and was part of a
two-program word-processor application named Amethyst.  I don't know
what Amethyst was an acronym for, if anything; perhaps it was so named
because it was a jewel of a word-processor for its day.  (I am writing
this with a vintage-1988 DOS descendent of Amethyst, in an OS/2 Warp 4
VDM.)

    I believe (but am not sure) that there are emacs "ports" to OS/2.
(There, I'm back on topic!)  However, any youngster who grew up on GUIs
would probably find emacs hard to use.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     22-Oct-99 21:58:01
  To: Linda Proulx                                      22-Oct-99 21:58:01
Subj: Uninstall Programs

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-20-99, Mike Roark to Linda Proulx)

Hi Linda--

 LP> Does OS/2 need an uninstall program like Win does?  If yes,  what are
 LP> good ones?

MR>Do you mean to get rid of all those extra files that the Win programs
  >put in places that are hidden to normal eyes? OS/2 doesn't operate
  >in the same manner. Most of the GUI programs have an un- install
  >with them, and those that don't can simply be deleted. About the
  >only directory that gets a lot of stuff is the \os2\dll directory.
  >But it isn't nearly as bad as Win.

    I have been using 32-bit versions of OS/2 since Spring, 1993; I
never have had an application (other than those that were distributed
with OS/2 itself) install any DLLs in the boot-drive DLL directory
(\OS2\DLL).  Some of the "performance analysis" applications I have
installed include pseudo-device drivers (for interaction with the
kernel), in addition to private DLLs.  Other application programs
include only the private DLLs.  In all these cases, including those
stand-alone applications purchased from IBM, the drivers (if any) and
the private DLLs are installed in the same directory as the rest of the
application (or in a subdirectory thereof).  While it certainly would be
possible for a programmer's "install" procedure to load his product's
private DLLs into \OS2\DLL, I can see no reason for any rational
programmer to do so.

    If I would let a stupid application-installation program modify my
CONFIG.SYS file, it would put an entry into the LIBPATH string so that
the system could find the application's DLLs if I ran that application
from any old command line.  Rather than let someone else muck up my
CONFIG.SYS file, I (usually) run such applications from a desktop
"Program Object" using the application's own directory as a working
directory.  Since any well-organized LIBPATH string contains the ".;"
entry (meaning: "look in the current directory") near the beginning, the
system has no trouble in finding the necessary DLLs to run the
application.  Thus, I usually don't need to correct my CONFIG.SYS file
when I install or delete an application.

    The exceptions to this practice are my home-grown "external
function" DLLs for REXX and the PL/I RTL DLLs, all of which are in a
directory named MYDLLS (not in the boot drive) that is listed in
LIBPATH.  These DLLs are used by multiple home-grown application
programs that aren't all in the same directory.

    BTW, there is a nifty little vintage-1994 utility named CHKDLL32.EXE
(I don't remember where I got it) that will test a 32-bit OS/2 EXE or
DLL file and tell you whether or not it can find all the DLLs required
and where it found them.  Very handy.  I've never needed this utility to
dig out a DLL that an "install" program put in some strange place, but
it could serve that purpose.  Note, however, that it will "find" any
OS/2 "system" DLLs (API calls) that are used by that program.  These
will (most likely) be in \OS2\DLL and should _not_ be deleted when
deleting the calling program.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser                                     22-Oct-99 22:03:02
  To: Mike Roark                                        22-Oct-99 22:03:02
Subj: Warp 3 install

(Excerpts from a message dated 10-20-99, Mike Roark to Linda Proulx)

Hi Mike--

MR>That 47 byte file would take up a 32k cluster on a 1 gig fat
  >partition. Notice it only takes 512 bytes of space. I just gained
  >31k of space for something else.

    I don't know what program you were using to produce your "directory"
display, but a one-byte file under HPFS takes up at least 1 KB of disk
space (one sector for the file itself and a minimum of one sector for
its Fnode).  There is only one sector used for the Fnode, irrespective
of the size of the file, unless the Extended Attributes portion of the
Fnode takes up more room than is available in that sector.

    The "big cluster" argument is a meaningless red-herring; HPFS stands
on its own merits without such nonsense.  You have to have a very large
number of small FAT files to have the "wasted cluster space" exceed the
"unavailable" disk space used by the HPFS file system, itself.  Some
day, when you haven't anything else to do, format a partition HPFS and
FAT, in turn, and use CHKDSK to see how much more useful file space
there is in the empty FAT partition than there is in the same empty
partition formatted HPFS.  (For example: you get about 3 MB more on a
"100 MB" Iomega Zip Diskette formatted FAT than you do on one formatted
HPFS.)

    Incidentally, although HPFS is usually a better-performing file
system than FAT, there are some not-too-pathological data sets that will
perform better in a FAT partition than under HPFS--such as a relatively
few very-long sequential files.  It helps to understand what your
application set needs, when configuring your system :-).  For the
record, I use an all-HPFS system (except for the CD_ROM reader,
floppies, and my Iomega Zip drive) on my two OS/2-only systems.

MR>About the only drawback to HPFS is not being able to
  >reliably recover deleted files. You learn quickly to make backups
  >before doing anything destructive.

    I haven't had any more trouble recovering deleted files from HPFS
than I did from FAT.  In either case, you have to make the recovery
attempt before the system has written anything else to that space.  I
use the "UnDelete" utility from the GammaTech Utilities set, but there
are other utilities that will also do the job.  Usually when I
accidentally delete a file, I can get it back because I recognize my
stupidity before anything else is written to the partition.  But you are
right!  Backups are very necessary--no matter what file system you may
be using.

    Regards,

        --Murray
<Team PL/I>
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