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OS/2 Hardware Issues (Fidonet)
Saturday, 28-Aug-1999 to Friday, 03-Sep-1999
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From: Kris Steenhaut 26-Aug-99 13:17:03
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: SIO
Hello Jonathan,
zaterdag 21 augustus 1999 17.04, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Andy
Roberts:
JP> Given that SIO has been at around version 1.60 for quite a while now,
JP> I think that 8-port SIO version 1.02 is probably in need of an update.
JP> (-:
I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio. The Quatech OS/2
comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are free. Working now
about 2 months with the Quatech, and I don't intend to go back to Sio.
Have a look at WWW.quatech.com
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Chris Martin 23-Aug-99 16:44:02
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Once upon a time, out on MARS.
While reading the mail, wispering this:
JD> RW> If you were to give me the best Zoom on the market, I would throw it
RW> in the garbage..
JD> That's two voices against Zoom.
Mine has worked flawlessly for over 2 years... <g>
Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net
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From: Chris Martin 23-Aug-99 16:45:04
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Once upon a time, out on MARS.
While reading the mail, wispering this:
JD> RW> My local power company offers protectors install'd in the power meter
RW> and protecting the whole house..
JD> ... only from when the lightning strikes the power grid.
JD> Call me cynical, but I'd say that it is a fair bet that if the lightning
JD> strikes your TV aerial, or telephone lines (which is what happened where I
JD> live -- hence the vast numbers of modems that were killed), the power
compa
ny
JD> will tell you that you are on your own.
Yep, that's why all my computers are insured, with full
replacement guaranteed for any/all repairs, etc from flood,
lightning, fire and theft. (I checked and they also cover
earthquakes..)
Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net
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From: Chris Martin 23-Aug-99 16:47:03
To: Barry Geller 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Once upon a time, out on MARS.
While reading the mail, wispering this:
BG> On Aug 16 12:35 99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard of 2:257/609.3 wrote:
BG> JdBP-> market.) I did consider ISDN, but again, that would
BG> JdBP-> limit whom I could place calls to. I couldn't send Jack
BG> JdBP-> Stein a crash netmail if I had an ISDN connection, for
BG> JdBP-> example. (-:
BG> Actually, you can. USR/3-COM's I-Modem will allow you to do Analog
V90/
V34
BG> calls originating on the digital connection, I beleive.
Go for a DSL line, they DO both, and are in the same cost
bracket as the ISDN line, and easier to use and install. Also
have MUCH greater throughput uplink and downlink.
Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net
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From: Steve McCrystal 26-Aug-99 06:31:16
To: Marc Weinmann 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: GL518SM
;
In a msg of <Wednesday August 25 1999>, Marc Weinmann writes to All:
;
Marc,
MW> Is there any software out that will read a GL518SM (GenesysLogic)
MW> hardware monitor chip under OS/2? It's installed in a Tyan
MW> Trinity AT 1590S.
Not that I know of, but I'm beating on a couple of guys to add it to their
existing programs. The problem seems to be getting sufficient info from
Genesys Logic to be able to do so.
I have the chip on a DFI K6VB3+ motherboard.
-[Steve]-
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 11:09:07
To: Kris Steenhaut 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Kris,
19 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> With the SDD drivers, apparently all problems are gone. AS
KS> everything is working very well now, we better wait and see
KS> a bit.
OK.
KS> I just wonder if it shouldn't be better to move the LS-120 &
KS> Zip to the second IDE channel.
If you have only the LS-120 & the ZIP as only IDE/ATAPI devices, I would put
them both as master on both channels, not on the same channel because then
they have to wait on each other.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Pentiums melt in your PC, not in your hand.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 11:15:16
To: Kris Steenhaut 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Kris,
19 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Mike Roark:
KS> more detailed survey about the Matrox problems was mailed by
KS> Daniela Engert.
Could you email that to me? Or post it here if it's not too long.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... "Players who have lost one turn, lose one turn." - Joel Robinson
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 11:19:02
To: Leonard Erickson 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) MODEM AND OS/2 WAR
Hi Leonard,
24 Aug 99, Leonard Erickson of 1:105/51 wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
LE> Well, for one thing, that 53k connect to your ISP is only 53k
LE> *from* them. It's only 28.8k *to* them.
For a V90, 56Kflex, X2 connect: the bps to them is 33.6kbps if the modem on
the other end is a server modem at a digital line and the *only* analog piece
in the connection is at your end, otherwise the highest possible connect is
33.6k.
LE> And it may not be that much. The 64k on an ISDN B channel is
LE> *guaranteed*.
True.
LE> Also, unless BT is being even cheaper than usual, a stand BRI
LE> (Basic Rate Interface) ISDN line is 2B+D. That's *two* 64k
LE> channels for voice or data plus a 16k "signalling" channel.
The counter runs twice as fast too.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Tyranny BBS: You do what the sysop tells you.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 11:38:21
To: Roy J. Tellason 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Hi Roy,
24 Aug 99, Roy J. Tellason of 1:270/615 wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
RJT> My average throughput never seemed to ever get any better
RJT> than 4.3K/sec, and often a bit lower, using an ftp client.
RJT> And netscape navigator never seemed to do as well as that.
When connected to my ISP in the morning (my local time) I typically get speeds
of 5 to 6 KB/s with compressed files, and up to a little over 11 KB/s for
uncompressed text files (Injoy reports this).
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Fools rush in... and listen to Rush Limbaugh!
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 21:41:23
To: Kris Steenhaut 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Iomega Zip
Hi Kris,
19 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> As long as the drivers do tolerate it, ofcoz.
Ofcourse, I forgot to mention that.
KS> 1@ You had it right about the matrox drivers, they do suck.
At least the Matrox drivers v2.23 and later. v2.22 works here without
problems, I heard that some other people have problems with this version, not
my experience. v2.21 works here without problems and I heard that this version
don't give others problems (or at least not that I heard). I'm running v2.21.
KS> I replaced them last sunday by the SciTech Display Docter's
KS> drivers (SDD), and all off the problems went away. Not only
KS> that: the increase in stability and and performance is
KS> amazing. Do try them, it's worth's while.
I might do that, I'm considering this.
KS> 2@ On my friend's system.
KS> hang when the WPS was loaded. An IRQ conflict, indeed, but
KS> due to the misfitted CD-Rom, not to the ATI card.
OK, I'm glad you have worked it out. :)
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Silly Rabbit, Phasers are for kids...
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From: Eddy Thilleman 26-Aug-99 21:43:12
To: Francois Massonneau 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Hi Francois,
24 Aug 99 17:16:31 Andy Roberts wrote to Francois Massonneau:
AR> With the new driver AIC78U2.ADD it uses 78U2PRES.EXE
AR> Probably so.
78U2PRES.EXE is only an installation program, it's not needed for normal
operation and if you copy the driver into the directory where the boot drivers
are yourself and put the line in config.sys to load the Adaptec driver, you
won't need this file at all.
FM> As I didn't delete any .SNP file, do I have to touch the snoop.lst file
FM> ????
I would remove any mention of snoop files for hardware you don't have, this
way they won't interfere. You can delete those snoop files to make more room.
FM> BTSCSI.ADD
AR> Humm.. [scratching head] Humm... [thinking I may have made
AR> that disk#1 from another modified previously for my ThinkPad]
AR> Humm... [wondering if I grabbed anything that said SCSI in my
AR> haste]
The BTSCSI.ADD file is the Buslogic SCSI driver, I know for sure because I
used such an adapter for years in my previous system (and it's still working
OK, but my nephew is now using that system).
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... I wish I could remember where I parked my hard disk....
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From: Roy J. Tellason 27-Aug-99 09:58:01
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote in a message to Eddy Thilleman:
ET> Why not a external modem hooked up to a decent serial port which
ET> supports at least 115200bps DCE-CTE speeds (any decent mainboard has
ET> such serial ports) ?
JdBP> I'm not looking at external modems for the two reasons that I
JdBP> gave before. Briefly: An external modem requires surface space
JdBP> to sit on, and I have none;
I've got two sitting on top of this tower. <g>
JdBP> and an external modem requires a separate power supply and
JdBP> extra cabling, and I already have too much of that as it is.
Nowhere near what some of us have...
JdBP> Andy Roberts also mentioned that external modems tend to have
JdBP> greater heat problems than internal modems.
Not the Courier, which you wouldn't know was on if it weren't for the lights.
That thing just doesn't generate that much heat. The Maxtech that's sitting
on top of it gets a bit warmer, and the Zoom 14.4 I had was terrible in that
regard, causing me concern with desk clutter (I had it sitting on the desk
when I last used it).
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From: Roy J. Tellason 27-Aug-99 10:02:07
To: Rich Wonneberger 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Rich Wonneberger wrote in a message to Lee Lefler:
RW> My ISP does support OS/2 btw.. :}
Who's that?
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From: Marc Weinmann 27-Aug-99 15:08:04
To: Steve McCrystal 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: Re: GL518SM
- Steve McCrystal discussed "GL518SM" with Marc Weinmann -
MW> Is there any software out that will read a GL518SM (GenesysLogic)
MW> hardware monitor chip under OS/2? It's installed in a Tyan
MW> Trinity AT 1590S.
SM> Not that I know of, but I'm beating on a couple of guys to add it to
SM> their existing programs. The problem seems to be getting sufficient
SM> info from Genesys Logic to be able to do so.
SM> I have the chip on a DFI K6VB3+ motherboard.
Hrm.. I have second question. What chip do you have? I'm trying to figure out
the "norm" for an AMD k6-2/350. I've already had to disable the warning..
when it's worked, the temp can easily pass 60C. No problems with it tho. The
AMD specs dont mention an on die temperature, just they want the ambient temp
between 0-70C. This is the temperature measured on the TOP of the chip, not
on the bottom where the probe is.
Marc
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From: Andy Roberts 27-Aug-99 10:41:22
To: Don Strait 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: IDE CD Recorders
Don Strait,
26-Aug-99 11:53:00, Don Strait wrote to All
Subject: IDE CD Recorders
DS> I don't have a SCSI card in my computer, so I've been looking at the new
DS> IDE (Atapi) CDRW drives, since they are now well under $200 (US).
A good SCSI CDR is well under $200. You could probably pick up a used SCSI
controller on eBay fairly cheap.
DS> My questions are:
DS> Do these work OK,
Not as well as SCSI.
DS> and are they supported by OS/2? (v4.0 w/ fixpack #11)
It isn't OS/2 support you need to be concerned about. It is the CDR software
for OS/2 that will be a major concern since they all started out supporting
SCSI and only 1 that I know of (RSJ) has picked up any IDE CDR units.
DS> What software do I need (applications and/or drivers),
The 2 most common are RSJ and CDRecorder/2.
DS> and is any of it freeware
CDRecorder/2 is freeware. There are quite a few addon files to make it easier
to use. I think I posted a list of those not long ago.
DS> or reasonably priced shareware?
RSJ is rather expensive. But it is very well developed with almost every
feature you could want in an easy to use GUI and even includes Drag'n'Drop
for some features.
DS> ...and how well do they work?
They both work well. I found messing with so many parameters for CDRecorder/2
a bit of a hassel, but there are 3rd party front-ends to make that easier. I
just about stopped using CDRecorder/2 altogether. RSJ is very polished.
DS> Is there anything else I ought to know before making a purchase?
DS> (like brands to buy/avoid, etc.).
Avoid IDE. <g>
Best look on the web sites to be sure the CDR model you want is supported by
the software.
http://www.rsj.de/stage/en/cd_os2.htm
CDRecord homepage and a list of supported recorders at:
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785/index.html
I'm very pleased with my Ricoh MP6201S. But there are newer faster models
available now.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 27-Aug-99 11:03:02
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,
25-Aug-99 08:24:12, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Eddy Thilleman
Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
ET>> Why not a external modem hooked up to a decent serial port which
ET>> supports at least 115200bps DCE-CTE speeds (any decent mainboard
ET>> has such serial ports) ?
JdBP> I'm not looking at external modems for the two reasons that I
JdBP> gave before. Briefly: An external modem requires surface space
JdBP> to sit on, and I have none; and an external modem requires a
JdBP> separate power supply and extra cabling, and I already have too
JdBP> much of that as it is.
Ok
Not to mention that the external is going to be more expensive to cover the
extra power supply, cables and case.
JdBP> Andy Roberts also mentioned that external modems tend to have greater
JdBP> heat problems than internal modems
Well let me qualify that. The cheap external modems have had that reputation.
OTOH the Courier is not cheap and hasn't had that problem in many years, since
before the V.Everything (pre-V.34 pre-V.90). Still I would not want to pile
paper all over it.
I've had both external and internal modems. Contrary to what someone else
said, I didn't find any significant difference in volume, even with the
external modem up front and open. But that becomes even less of a
consideration when you stick the external modem back behind the tower case or
behind and under the monitor. In fact with an internal modem in an ATX case
that has a lot more holes in the side of the case, I had to lower the volume,
because it was too loud. All my newer modems in the last 10-15 years have
been internal. It's not that I can't find the space for an external. But
desk space is like HD space, you never have enough. So eventually unless you
are very neat, even if you put the external modem on edge, if it is in reach,
then papers will likely smother it.
OTOH I've never heard of any of the internal modems by any brand having a heat
build up problem. And without the extra power supply stuff on the internal
they will be cooler anyway.
So IMO the only useful gain for an external is the lights (which software can
compensate for) and saving a slot.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 27-Aug-99 12:42:22
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: ISDN modem
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,
25-Aug-99 08:33:12, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Barry Geller
Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
I changed the Subject in this thread because the topic has changed and the new
topic was covered in great detail from med to end of Feb-99 in the OS2 echo
with the Subject: USR internal Sportster 56
JdBP>>> I did consider ISDN, but again, that would limit whom I could place
JdBP>>> calls to. I couldn't send Jack Stein a crash netmail if I had an
JdBP>>> ISDN connection, for example. (-:
BG>> Actually, you can. USR/3-COM's I-Modem will allow you to do
BG>> Analog V90/V34 calls originating on the digital connection, I
BG>> beleive.
Yes, the USR Courier I-Modem with an integrated Courier V.Everything.
But at this point there is likely to be some confusion if we use "USR/3Com"
implying there is only 1 product, instead of separate the older USR product
(Courier I-Modem) from the newer different (cheaper) 3Com products.
http://www.3com.com/products/isdn.html
Courier I-modem ISDN with integrated V.Everything data/fax/modem
http://www.3com.com/products/dsheets/400369.html
pricewatch.com
3COM courier i-modem w/isdn/v.34 ext. w/analog device port $244
BUY.COM 888-880-1030
---
3ComImpact IQ External ISDN Modem
http://www.3com.com/products/dsheets/400232.html
pricewatch.com
3COM 3C882 IMPACT IQ EXT 230.4K ISDN MODEM PC/MAC $165 Firesale.com
---
Not to mention a new Sportster ISDN WinModem. <yuck.!>
JdBP> One thing that concerns me about ISDN is whether or not the modem has
JdBP> to be powered on all of the time.
Yes it does.
Look at it this way. On a normal Dialup line the TeleCo provides the battery
power and conversion from analog to digital. On ISDN lines the I-Modem does
that. So essentially the I-Modem can provide an analog device a connection
to the digital lines. So in a way the I-Modem is like moving the digital
portion of the TeleCo C.O. directly to your house or business. It's a little
more complex than that, but that's a simple analogy.
JdBP> This is of most concern when it comes to making voice calls. If I
JdBP> went for ISDN, I'd need to be able to make voice calls at the same
JdBP> time, which I gather can be done using one of the "B" channels. True,
JdBP> some ISDN systems have an external socket for an ordinary voice
JdBP> telephone (Does the USR Courier I-modem have this, anyone?),
Yes, the USR Courier I-Modem with an integrated Courier V.Everything
connected to digital ISDN lines can support analog devices. Both
internally as in the Courier V.Everything and externally with
another modem or voice phone connected to the pass-through port.
JdBP> but it seems to me that logically the ISDN modem has to be
JdBP> continuously powered if I want to make voice calls over the ISDN line
Yes it does.
JdBP> The important thing that I'm concerned with is being able to make (and
JdBP> receive) voice calls at the same time as ordinary data calls. If, in
JdBP> order to achieve this, ISDN requires that the PC, or modem, be
JdBP> continually powered,
Yes it does.
JdBP> then it may turn out to be cheaper just to rent a second voice line
JdBP> instead.
Yes it could be a lot cheaper. Another voice line in addition to ISDN would
actually be 3 phone numbers. This gets complex considering that you can use 1
of the ISDN "B" channels for voice.
--- Excerpt ISDN_FAQ.ZIP ---
A Basic Rate Interface (BRI) is two 64K bearer ("B") channels and a single
delta ("D") channel. The B channels are used for voice or data, and the D
channel is used for signaling and/or X.25 packet networking. This is the
variety most likely to be found in residential service.
--- End Quote ---
If I understand ISDN correctly, the common modes of operation would be voice
on the pass-through port of 1 of the "B" channels, with it's own phone number,
with the integrated Courier V.Everything (V.90) on the other "B" channel, with
another phone number, that can send or receive data calls like any ordinary
modem; OR full ISDN digital data that bundles both "B" channels.
BUT...!
Here in the US the TeleCo assumes anytime we use ISDN that we can make use of
the full bandwidth, so we will get billed for it all at the higher "data rate"
fees for LD rather than be able to take advantage of the lower analog fees,
even if we only use 1 channel, such as for V.90, or the other channel, such as
for voice. Thus we will pay more for using ISDN for anything other than ISDN.
The TeleCo recommends having a separate analog line for voice and/or V.90 and
using a non-ISDN modem whenever possible to save on our phone bill.
So it is not a question of the technological capability to send and receive
ordinary V.90 and make or receive voice calls all at the same time with ISDN.
The only time ISDN is economical is when it is being used only for 2 bundled
"B" channels for data. Otherwise the higher fees for that service will
quickly amount to more than the expense for a separate analog (voice) line.
Thus unless your ISDN usage justifies the expense of the ISDN line and the
I-Modem in addition to another voice line and another V.90 modem, then you
could be much better off with just an ordinary V.90 and voice line, without
any ISDN.
In my case (not just because of the BBS) it is very important that my voice
line is not tied up for any length of time for data, such as browsing the net.
So I have 1 line for data and another for voice. Here, if it were available,
ISDN would cost $25 more than a single voice line. So I could trade in both
of my existing lines and only have to pay about $5-10 more for ISDN on my
basic bill. But the increased fees for all LD V.90 and voice calls would make
my total bill go sky high.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Leonard Erickson 27-Aug-99 04:11:03
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
-=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Rich Wonneberger <=-
JdBP> v32bis is 14400bps.
JdBP> The arithmetic is correct: With "8N1" there are 9 bits per character,
JdBP> yielding 1600 characters per second for v32bis. 1600cps is, of
JdBP> course, 1.5625 kibibytes per second.
No, there are *10* bits per character. You forgot the start bit. Asynch
always has a start bit and at least 1 stop bit.
So 14,400 bits/sec becomes 1440 bytes/sec.
JdBP> And before anyone mentions compression, it is worth bearing in mind
JdBP> that I'm talking about Fidonet use here, where the overwhelming
JdBP> majority of the traffic is ARCmail files. MNP5 and v42bis generally
JdBP> don't yield much if any gains when the data being sent are already
JdBP> compressed, as ARCmail always is.
Ah! But you seem to be unaware of one of the things that "compression"
does. It effectively makes the modem to modem link *synchronous*. This
means that the modem gets your 10 bits of data, throws away the start &
stop bits, and sends the data along.
This gives you 14,400 bps at 8 bits per byte (minus a small amount of
overhead), for a bit under 1800 bytes/sec.
Compression *does* make a difference.
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From: Leonard Erickson 27-Aug-99 05:37:04
To: Andy Roberts 28-Aug-99 01:59:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
-=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <=-
AR> If you lose 1 wire of your home phone you will come to an abrupt and
AR> complete stop. But if you lose only 1 wire of a 4-wire 128Kib/s ISDN,
AR> then that does not happen. Instead 1 of the 2 channels continues to
AR> work more or less. Errors build up and that along with twice the load
AR> on the remaining channel will eventually cause a major overload. The
AR> result will be much worse than if you only had a 64Kib/s ISDN.
AR> Actually it's more like having a 1200 baud modem. But eventually all
AR> the data will get through and there will not be any lost files.
Huh? 4-wire circuits are two channels all right. One in each
*direction*, not one for each B channel.
BRI ISDN is normally 2B+D. That's two B channels (64kbps) and a D
channel (16kbps). The D channel is used for signalling. In other words
it handles the stuff like dialing. Sounds like your friend started out
with the less common 1B+D setup.
And just for reference, a T-1 (PRI) is 24B+D.
Anyway, all of these are carried on 4 wires. A transmit pair and a
receive pair. The channels are decoded from the datastream by the TA.
It's *usually* time-domain multiplexing, but it can also be frequency
domain.
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From: Rich Wonneberger 27-Aug-99 22:22:00
To: Roy J. Tellason 28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
*** Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Rich Wonneberger dated 08-27-99 ***
> RW> My ISP does support OS/2 btw.. :}
>
> Who's that?
My local phone co, Frontier (aka Woodpecker) Tell.. www.fromtiernet.com
(Note my e-mail address) :}
Rich
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Aug-99 02:26:00
To: Kris Steenhaut 28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: Pci(?) Modem And Os/2 Wa
GT>>> IBM has a PCI modem with drivers for OS/2 4.0 and it is internal.
JP>> Where can I find out more about it ?
KS> I have a *.PDF about here. If you give me your email address, I'll
KS> send it to you. anyway, Big Blue's partnumber is: 33L4618
If you want to send it File Attached via Fidonet netmail, then the address is
as in the origin line. Please don't use any other method, such as UU-encoding
or MIME encoding the file into the body of a message.
I've quite happy to FREQ it if you can provide an address and a filename.
» JdeBP «
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Aug-99 02:28:13
To: Chris Martin 28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: SIO
JD>> I want to avoid SIO mainly because it adds extra difficulties. I
JD>> have a registered 4 port version (I think. Or perhaps 8 ports. I
JD>> forget.), but it is a relatively old version and I would have to
JD>> update it to a recent one. Unfortunately, one cannot update the
JD>> N-port versions easily. One has to physically send off to Ray
JD>> Gwinn for each individual minor version update.
CM> Hunh?? I registered the 4 port version about 2 -2 1/2 yrs ago, [...]
As you've no doubt read by now, mine is the 8-port version, and when I last
tried to update it via Ray's BBS, some years back, I was informed that for
versions that support more than 4 ports one cannot update SIO on-line.
» JdeBP «
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 26-Aug-99 02:31:25
To: Stephen Haffly 28-Aug-99 06:54:03
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Jd>> That's one voice against Zoom.
SH> Let me add one in favor.
That's three voices against, two in favour.
» JdeBP «
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From: David Calafrancesco 28-Aug-99 01:54:12
To: Andy Roberts 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
JdBP> Andy Roberts also mentioned that external modems tend to have
JdBP> greater
JdBP> heat problems than internal modems
AR> Well let me qualify that. The cheap external modems have
AR> had that reputation. OTOH the Courier is not cheap and
AR> hasn't had that problem in many years, since before the
AR> V.Everything (pre-V.34 pre-V.90). Still I would not want to
AR> pile paper all over it.
I have a stack of from 3-6 modems, most Couriers with one to two Sportsters
sitting on my desk behind the tower case on the desktop. I use an STB AT/IO6
that has 10 wire flat phone cord (RJ46) running from the serial cards to the
modems. I have no regard to piling cables, papers etc all over the place and
don't have problems with excessive heat buildup like some of my customers who
bought lesser quality modems have had with a single modem. I have run external
Couriers for over a decade and have no problems with heat. Not now, nor ever.
Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org
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From: Scott Jones 27-Aug-99 04:19:14
To: Andy Roberts 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: Re: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Roy J. Tellason <=-
AR> even a good product. I hardly hear much about them from my users
AR> anymore, so it would be hard for me to give their newest modem an
AR> accurate rating.
FWIW, Zoom bought Hayes' modem business back in April.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
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From: Herbert Bushong 27-Aug-99 06:00:00
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
::> LA> Zoom modems were good back in the v32 days, but they have made
::> LA> nothing but junk for quite a while now. As much as I dislike US
::> LA> Robotic's current management, their hardware is still the best.
::> That's four voices against the Zoom.
Well, I completely agree with Lee. I had a 14.4 Zoom (before they added the
voice crap) which worked well, but never saw a good one after that. They went
downhill.
I bought my USR Courier (external) in 1995. Flashed it to V34, X2, and V90,
as each became available, and it's always gotten better. It's been through 3
houses, many rooms, 3 MoBo's, several I/O cards, 4 ISP's, and works like a
champ.
I've read your reasons for wanting an internal (the Courier was my first
external), but personally, I'd move my grandma out of the way to make room for
my Courier :)
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From: LEE ARONER 27-Aug-99 13:48:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
LA> A PCI modem really doesn't make much sense since the data rate
LA> never comes close to saturating the ISA bus. It's only worth
LA> considering if you have a MoBo with lots of PCI and no available
LA> ISA slots, [...]
JDBP> Which isn't the case now, mut might be the case several years down the
line if
> my new modem lasts as long as my current modem has done.
LA> Zoom modems were good back in the v32 days, but they have made
LA> nothing but junk for quite a while now. As much as I dislike US
LA> Robotic's current management, their hardware is still the best.
JDBP> That's four voices against the Zoom.
And another voice for external modems. One problem with internals
that no one else has mentioned is that the on-board com ports do
jam from time to time and the ONLY way to unjam them is to power
the pc down...not so with an external, and then there is the
matter of the LEDs on the externals...great diagnostic aids!
LRA
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From: Eddy Thilleman 28-Aug-99 11:18:05
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Hi Jonathan,
25 Aug 99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard of 2:257/609.3 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
JdBP> I'm not looking at external modems for the two reasons
External analog modems and external ISDN devices with analog modem built-in
don't have a need for things like "cFos" (or something like that) and don't
need any driver other than the serial port driver everyone has, so there is
not a change that "some driver don't support bla-bla-bla...". Each to his own
I guess.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 28-Aug-99 11:45:16
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 28-Aug-99 21:46:02
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Hi Jonathan,
25 Aug 99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard of 2:257/609.3 wrote to Barry Geller:
JdBP> The important thing that I'm concerned with is being able
JdBP> to make (and receive) voice calls at the same time as
JdBP> ordinary data calls. If, in order to achieve this, ISDN
This issue is the same for internal modems and external modems.
You can always get a device or a connector to connect a telephone device in
parallel with the modem, for both an analog line as well as for ISDN, I think.
Look around and check it out.
I don't have ISDN, only an analog telephone line, so I can only speak for
analog telephone lines and analog telephone devices: my analog modem has two
RJ-?? connectors: one is for the line and one is for the telephone device
which I did both and my modem and my computer don't have to be turned on to
make a voice telephone call, it doesn't matter. I can't think this would be
different for ISDN.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Leonard Erickson 28-Aug-99 01:17:02
To: Eddy Thilleman 29-Aug-99 01:23:26
Subj: PCI(?) MODEM AND OS/2 WAR
-=> Quoting Eddy Thilleman to Leonard Erickson <=-
LE> Also, unless BT is being even cheaper than usual, a stand BRI
LE> (Basic Rate Interface) ISDN line is 2B+D. That's *two* 64k
LE> channels for voice or data plus a 16k "signalling" channel.
ET> The counter runs twice as fast too.
Ah yes. Pity about that. Here in the States, twice zero is still zero. :-)
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From: Leonard Erickson 28-Aug-99 03:12:03
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 29-Aug-99 01:23:26
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
-=> Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Barry Geller <=-
JdBP> One thing that concerns me about ISDN is whether or not the modem has
JdBP> to be powered on all of the time. This is of most concern when it
JdBP> comes to making voice calls. If I went for ISDN, I'd need to be able
JdBP> to make voice calls at the same time, which I gather can be done using
JdBP> one of the "B" channels. True, some ISDN systems have an external
JdBP> socket for an ordinary voice telephone (Does the USR Courier I-modem
JdBP> have this, anyone?), but it seems to me that logically the ISDN modem
JdBP> has to be continuously powered if I want to make voice calls over the
JdBP> ISDN line.
JdBP> The important thing that I'm concerned with is being able to make (and
JdBP> receive) voice calls at the same time as ordinary data calls. If, in
JdBP> order to achieve this, ISDN requires that the PC, or modem, be
JdBP> continually powered, then it may turn out to be cheaper just to rent a
JdBP> second voice line instead.
It almost certainly has to be powered on. But it *doesn't* have to be
"off hook". So the only charges will be the for the (miniscule) amount
of power used by the TA.
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From: Rich Wonneberger 28-Aug-99 20:08:00
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard 29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
*** Quoting Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Stephen Haffly dated 08-26-99 ***
> SH> Let me add one in favor.
>
> That's three voices against, two in favour.
Were'nt ya at 4 against the other day??
Rich
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From: Tobias Ernst 28-Aug-99 09:37:20
To: Don Strait 29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: IDE CD Recorders
Hallo Don!
DS> What software do I need (applications and/or drivers), and is any of
DS> it freeware or reasonably priced shareware? ...and how well do they
DS> work?
The one free cd recording software is the bundle of mkisofs and cdrecord,
ported from Unix to OS/2. It works really great, if you are content with
typing a command line to create your CD (it's not hard to learn, really), or
try the WPS-enabled frontend, but it does only support SCSI writers on OS/2.
See http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785
The other cd recording software is RSJ, but uh, it is not exactly "reasonably
priced". It supports some IDE burners, but only selected models AFAIR.
I think you will get a SCSI card for by far less money than the difference
between the RSJ price and zero price for cdrecord. Plus burning with SCSI is
more fun because you can just do it in the background and continue playing
Doom (or doing whatever you like <g>) in the foreground. My tip would be to
buy a NCR815 based PCI adapter, they are cheap and work very well on OS/2.
Viele Grüße,
Tobias
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From: Francois Massonneau 27-Aug-99 13:04:20
To: Eddy Thilleman 29-Aug-99 06:49:22
Subj: Sound Blaster 16 Value PNP
Hello Eddy!
Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Francois Massonneau:
ET> That is the default, and it will be again after the reboot with "Next
ET> system restart only" set to "Full hardware detection" in Hardware
ET> Manager. This will enable the system to detect and use the network
ET> card in PnP mode (I think).
ET> Maybe this is just what you need?
I guess no ;-(
I tried this morning and it failed (for the SB16 and the Network Adapter).
I turned on in the Bios settings the option OS plug and play to Yes, and when
OS/2 booted, I 've got this message :
Error detected while resetting the sound blaster 16.
SYS1201 : The device driver E:\MMOS2\SB16D2.SYS specified in the device
statement on line 124 of the config.sys file was not installed. Line 124 is
ignored.
IBM OS/2 TCPBEUI 5.05.0
TCPBEUI : Using a 32 bit data segment
3Com Fast Etherlink XL/Etherlink XL OS/2 NDIS Driver v.2.01
ERROR. Network Adapter not found or not responding.
ERROR. Initialization failure. Driver will not be installed.
SYS1201. The Device Driver E:\IBMCOM\MACS\EL90X.OS2 specified in the Device
Statement ...etc..
If I set in the Bios Settings "OS Plug and Play to No", the SB16 doesn't work,
but the Network Adapter works fine.
FM>> No, I installed the multimedia with the previous Sound
FM>> Blaster which died. Then I installed the new Sound Blaster
FM>> but didn't reinstall the multimedia stuff. I just installed
FM>> the new driver for it.
ET> I said to (re-)install the (new) sound card driver using MINSTALL.EXE.
ET> Maybe it works with the way you have installed it.
ET>> So the network adapter is a PNP one?
FM>> Yes (I guess??)
ET> I think it is PNP since it's PCI (that's not a guarantee, ofcourse).
ET>> What about enabling PNP and 'fix' the network adapter?
FM>> Oh yes, I would luv, but I don't understand why it doesn't
FM>> want to work with the bios setting PNP setted to Yes.
ET> I think because you haven't let the system to do the full hardware
ET> detection before
ET> if the above doesn't work: otherwise
As I said above, nope, it doesn't work.
ET> is a DOS utility included with the network card to put the settings in
ET> its NVRAM if it has any? If so, you can boot DOS and run that DOS
ET> utility...
Yes, I'm gonna check that and try this evening.
Bye, Francois!
Email: fmas@celtes.com
Web : http://www.worldnet.net/~island/
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From: Stephen Haffly 28-Aug-99 22:10:01
To: Roy J. Tellason 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
On (27 Aug 99) Roy J. Tellason wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard...
Hi Roy,
RJ> Not the Courier, which you wouldn't know was on if it weren't for the
RJ> lights. That thing just doesn't generate that much heat. The Maxtech
RJ> that's sitting on top of it gets a bit warmer, and the Zoom 14.4 I
RJ> had was terrible in that regard, causing me concern with desk clutter
RJ> (I had it sitting on the desk when I last used it).
My current Zoom (K56Flex, flash upgraded to V.90) runs cool as well.
Zoom appears to have solved the heat problem.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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From: Holger Granholm 28-Aug-99 19:33:00
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Ki, kibi or what
In a message dated 08-25-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:
JP>> "1.5Ki" is "1.5 kilobinary". But the obvious question in the
JP>> reader's mind, if that *had* been what I had written, would be "1.5
JP>> kilobinary *what* ?". The answer is "1.5 kilobinary *bytes*", which
JP>> is, of course, abbreviated to "1.5KiB".
What however was/is confusing to me is your expression "KiB". According
to the information I have, there is no abbreviation like that.
JP>For anyone with any experience of computers (which certainly covers
JP>both you, me, and probably anyone reading this echo!), multiples of
JP>1024 are hardly something "new" that has to "sink in".
Agreed.
JP>"kilobinary-", or "kibi-", simply means "1024", in the same way that
JP>"kilo-" means "1000". It's very logical and straightforward as far
JP>as I can see. Neither of them has anything to do with bytes.
Yes, and as 1024 is a binary number I find it confusing to add the "B"
to Ki which in itself already expresses that we are talking about binary
numbers, ie. bytes not bits.
JP>They are a very good one. They are so sensible and straightforward
JP>that I started using them almost immediately after I read about
JP>them.
Me too, until I saw your interpretation. Maybe what I read about the new
memory standard wasn't complete.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 28-Aug-99 19:33:00
To: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: SIO
In a message dated 08-26-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Jonathan De Boyne
Pollard:
Hi Kris,
KS>I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio. The Quatech
KS>OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are
KS>free. Working now about 2 months with the Quatech, and I don't
KS>intend to go back to Sio.
What do you mean by "more stable"? I have been running SIO ever
since OS/2 v2.1 and have never had any failures on neither outgoing
nor incoming calls.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Steve McCrystal 28-Aug-99 15:23:25
To: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: SIO
;
In a msg of <Thursday August 26 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Jonathan De
Boyne Pollard:
;
Kris,
KS> I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio.
The "we" is a bit too inclusive, don't you think?
KS> The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable,
Just curious... more stable than what?
KS> and are free.
Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?
I own one, and altho it is very fine hardware, it is far from free!
-[Steve]-
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From: Steve McCrystal 28-Aug-99 15:36:01
To: Marc Weinmann 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: GL518SM
;
In a msg of <Friday August 27 1999>, Marc Weinmann writes to Steve McCrystal:
;
Marc,
MW>> Is there any software out that will read a GL518SM
MW>> (GenesysLogic) hardware monitor chip under OS/2? It's
MW>> installed in a Tyan Trinity AT 1590S.
SM>> Not that I know of, but I'm beating on a couple of guys to
SM>> add it to their existing programs. The problem seems to be
SM>> getting sufficient info from Genesys Logic to be able to do
SM>> so. I have the chip on a DFI K6VB3+ motherboard.
MW> Hrm.. I have second question. What chip do you have?
The same one as you have.
MW> I'm trying to figure out the "norm" for an AMD k6-2/350. I've
MW> already had to disable the warning... when it's worked, the temp can
MW> easily pass 60C. No problems with it tho.
I only have Win9x software to monitor the chip, and it sucks bigtime.
Additionally, I don't run Win9x enough to get an idea of what the chip
indicates to establish a norm.
MW> The AMD specs dont mention an on die temperature,
It'd be hard to measure on an AMD chip anyway. :)
MW> just they want the ambient temp between 0-70C.
Yep, and 65C max for the -400 I use.
MW> This is the temperature measured on the TOP of the chip, not on
MW> the bottom where the probe is.
With some additional hardware (a very good DVOM with a temp probe) I was able
to measure the temp on the top of the chip. I milled a tiny groove in the
bottom of the heatsink, inserted the probe and a small gob of heat transfer
paste, and clipped the heatsink on. I left it that way for a couple of weeks
but then got tired of working around the wire. The processor, tho, was slower
that yours or mine are now, so the numbers would be meaningless at this point.
In any case, I'd be quite surprised if the temperature varied much from the
top to the bottom, especially if measured in the center where AMD specifies.
If I were you, I'd simply get a very good fan/heatsink combo, add another case
fan if you can (bolt another one on outside the PS fan, if threre is no other
way), and then forget it.
All I *really* want to be able to monitor/display is the fan speed, so I'll
know if they stop working.
-[Steve]-
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From: Bas Heijermans 29-Aug-99 01:02:09
To: Eddy Thilleman 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:
Hi Eddy,
MR> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while
MR> displaying software cursors is not caused by overheating.
MR> I can reproduce the problem here, and I have six cooling
MR> fans inside my case. Nothing in there ever overheats.
ET> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that
ET> case, try with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the
ET> current one, just be sure to overwrite every file), the
ET> v2.21 driver runs here without problems while the v2.23
ET> driver caused lockups.
Same here, but the 2.23 driver runs fine with 65535 colors.
Warp3SMP,
Bas Heijermans.
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From: Mike Roark 28-Aug-99 07:40:12
To: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hello Kris!
Thursday August 19 1999 09:23, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Mike Roark:
KS> problems are gone. Yep _ALL_ problems went away, almost unbelieveble.
KS> On top of that, the SDD drivers are mucg quicker and flexible. I was
KS> hppy tp pay the shareware fee.
Glad to hear it..
KS> BTW: It turned out Eddy Thilleman had it right about the Matrox
KS> drivers. On certain system, they really suck. And a more detailed
KS> survey about the Matrox problems was mailed by Daniela Engert.
I wonder if there is something different between the different language
versions of OS/2 and the video drivers. If Matrox only makes an American
English version, and there is a difference between that and say the Dutch or
German, or UK version, that could also explain the problems. Who knows what
IBM does when they translate things.. ;-)
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 0h 01m 02s 796ms (en).
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From: LEE ARONER 28-Aug-99 07:44:00
To: KRIS STEENHAUT 30-Aug-99 00:08:29
Subj: SIO
JP> Given that SIO has been at around version 1.60 for quite a while now,
JP> I think that 8-port SIO version 1.02 is probably in need of an update.
JP> (-:
KS> I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio. The Quatech OS/2
> comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are free. Working
now
> about 2 months with the Quatech, and I don't intend to go back to Sio.
KS> Have a look at WWW.quatech.com
For everyone else's benefit, the direct URL is:
http://WWW.quatech.com/public/os2spdd.htm
LRA
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From: Andrew Grillet 28-Aug-99 11:03:25
To: Andy Roberts 30-Aug-99 08:45:24
Subj: Internet Phone
Hi ANdy,
-=> On 25 Aug 99 15:09:56 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-
AG> But watch your BT shares - it seems I was not the only person to
AG> invent an Internet Phone. Soon there won't be any international
AG> calls at all, certainly none via BT, unless the charge structure
AG> is revised.
AR> Would you please provide more details about your Internet Phone?
It exists only as a concept - basically, looks like an 'ornery'
phone, but if you dial a long distance number, it dials your ISP
and sends voice over tcp/ip instead - thus bypassing LD or
international call charges.
I was going to try and sell the idea to Alan Sugar or Clive
SInclair, but when I researched the patent, some one else
has invented it.
Not only that, last week, a job agency phoned me to say they
were sending my CV to a company that is making a product of
this nature. They did not reveal the company name - presumably
in case I try to bypass them.
I invented the 'sinclair' microdrive, the programable organ (before
casio, etc), pay per view TV, and numerous other things that were
later invented by others. Unfortunately I don't have the contacts
to make anything of the inventions.)
Andrew
... Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be repaid.
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From: Andrew Grillet 28-Aug-99 11:11:27
To: Andy Roberts 30-Aug-99 08:45:24
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Hi Andy,
-=> On 25 Aug 99 17:41:08 Andy Roberts said to Stephen Haffly <=-
AR> It was fairly common practice for many small cheap chip OEMs to spot
AR> check rather than thoroughly test ever chip.
It is standard practice, rpovided the failure rate is low enough to
justify it.
AR> They sold those chips in
AR> batches of 10,000 to other factories which assembled them onto working
AR> circuits. It was left up to the assembly factory Quality Control Dept
AR> to test the fully assembled product and thus all the components at one
AR> time, before it was sold to the final customer.
its extremely common in the home computer industry, and indeed the entire
home electronics sector to 'let the customer test it' - after all, fatory
teests could easily reject product that was acceptable to the customer :-)
AR> I have no reason to
AR> think Lucent will be any different. Nor do I have any reason to put
AR> Rockwell down for doing no more than that. But unless ZOOM has
AR> changed, they were not testing hardly any of their modems before being
AR> boxed and shipped.
I cannot say I am shocked to hear it. I would hardly bat an eyelid
if they did not test any. I guess most of their competitors dont
even test a small sample.
AR> ZOOM is cheap but not economical.
This is not my experience.
AR> Way too may users including myself have been put on Hold for many
AR> hours waiting to get a ZOOM RMA. Granted in my case that was years
AR> ago, when ZOOM was popular. After that I just threw the ZOOM modems on
AR> the shelf and didn't waste my time even trying to get an RMA if I could
AR> not get it within 15 minutes.
But at least 50% worked? In my experience, 5/5 work. And its still cheaper
buy two and throw 50% away than to buy USR!
Sure I recomend USR if you want performance and reliability. But
IMHO you do not get a Rolls-Royce for the price of a Ford. However,
I drive a Ford. (Still waiting for a pay rise :-)
I own both Zoom and USR modems, and also several nameless pieces
of junk which came in boxes saying 'Rockwell Modem'.
The USR Courier connects faster, and sends data faster in almost
every case. The Sportster is a dead duck on a level with the
'Lockwerr Special - make in Korea from used Toyota wing panels'
Where performance justifies it get a Courier. Where it doesn't,
Rockwell is seriously better than no-name junk.
Andrew
... This phone is Baroque, please call Bach later.
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From: Francois Massonneau 28-Aug-99 07:45:23
To: Eddy Thilleman 30-Aug-99 08:45:24
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Hello Eddy!
Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Francois Massonneau:
FM>> One is an external U2W (9gigas) and two are internals, one
FM>> is a Seagate SCSI 2gigas, and the other one is a Seagate
FM>> SCSI Ultra wide 4gigas.
ET> Does the system boot DOS and do you have access to the harddisks? If
ET> so, then the hardware and termination are OK.
I can boot DOS, but can't access those disks as they are formatted HPFS and
everything else is for Linux.
FM>> Did you copy the files after the hang, or just before a
FM>> complete reinstall ?
ET> When it reboots for the first time from the harddisk, then first
ET> reboot from floppy (you can use the install boot floppies for this
ET> and be sure to go to the commandline when it asks to accept a
ET> partition for installation, press F3 IIRC) to copy those files to the
ET> directory to need to be on the harddisk (you don't return to the
ET> screen where you press F3 to go the commandline), then reboot the
ET> system from harddisk and let the install finish.
ok, thank you.
Bye, Francois!
Email: fmas@celtes.com
Web : http://www.worldnet.net/~island/
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From: John Thompson 29-Aug-99 08:49:00
To: Rich Wonneberger 30-Aug-99 09:18:03
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
In a message to Lee Lefler, Rich Wonneberger wrote re: PCI(?) modem and OS/2
War
RW> Any ISP that uses WinModemz must also use tin cans & strings to
communicate..
RW> I would think if they are larger in size, s/a my phone co., they would use
RW> name brand equipment..
And most likely a whole bunch of rack-mount modems, not the
desktop versions most mortal users have.
RW> My ISP does support OS/2 btw.. :}
As in actual support or just "since it's all tcp/ip it should
work the same way" type of thing?
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From: Gene Tucker 30-Aug-99 19:12:01
To: Holger Granholm 30-Aug-99 19:12:01
Subj: Sio
In a message dated 08-28-99, Holger Granholm said to Kris Steenhaut:
HG>In a message dated 08-26-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Jonathan De Boyne
HG>Pollard:
HG>Hi Kris,
KS>I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio. The Quatech
KS>OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are
KS>free. Working now about 2 months with the Quatech, and I don't
KS>intend to go back to Sio.
HG>What do you mean by "more stable"? I have been running SIO ever
HG>since OS/2 v2.1 and have never had any failures on neither outgoing
HG>nor incoming calls.
HG>Have a nice day,
HG>Holger
HG>
And the beta although it is aging to is good for serveral differnet PCI cards.
it is stable and able to run more than just one type of hardware. I just wish
Ray would get a new beta out.
___
X MR/2 2.26 #30 X Drop your carrier, we have you surrounded!
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From: Herbert Bushong 29-Aug-99 08:21:00
To: David Calafrancesco 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
::> bought lesser quality modems have had with a single modem. I have run exte
::> Couriers for over a decade and have no problems with heat. Not now, nor ev
I agree. My Courier is 5 years old. It hasn't been off in weeks. I just put my
hand on the top, lifted it and put my hand on the bottom, around the sides,
etc...
The top and sides were cold.
The bottom was a little warmer, but still cool (less than room temperature)
and that's probably because it's sitting on top of my computer case which the
Power Supply keeps at about the same temperature! Overall, I'd say the LED's
put out the most heat in the thing :)
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From: LEE ARONER 29-Aug-99 21:40:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
JdBP> The important thing that I'm concerned with is being able
JdBP> to make (and receive) voice calls at the same time as
JdBP> ordinary data calls. If, in order to achieve this, ISDN
Johnathan, if you really are considering going to ISDN, I have a
Courier IModem Internal I will sell you for $30.00 US + postage
to get it to you.
Let me know...
LRA
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From: Andy Roberts 30-Aug-99 06:34:10
To: Andrew Grillet 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Internet Phone
Andrew Grillet,
28-Aug-99 11:03:50, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts
AG> -=> On 25 Aug 99 15:09:56 Andy Roberts said to Andrew Grillet <=-
Subject: Internet Phone
AG>> But watch your BT shares - it seems I was not the only person to
AG>> invent an Internet Phone. Soon there won't be any international
AG>> calls at all, certainly none via BT, unless the charge structure
AG>> is revised.
AR>> Would you please provide more details about your Internet Phone?
AG> It exists only as a concept - basically, looks like an 'ornery'
AG> phone, but if you dial a long distance number, it dials your ISP
AG> and sends voice over tcp/ip instead - thus bypassing LD or
AG> international call charges.
But requires special services at the receiving end???
AG> I was going to try and sell the idea to Alan Sugar or Clive
AG> SInclair, but when I researched the patent, some one else has
AG> invented it.
There are quite a few on the market now.
AG> Not only that, last week, a job agency phoned me to say they were
AG> sending my CV to a company that is making a product of this
AG> nature. They did not reveal the company name - presumably in case
AG> I try to bypass them.
AG> I invented the 'sinclair' microdrive, the programable organ
AG> (before casio, etc), pay per view TV, and numerous other things
AG> that were later invented by others. Unfortunately I don't have the
AG> contacts to make anything of the inventions.)
"Concepts" and ideas are easy to copy. Even if you have a prototype
regardless of patents and copyrights, your "contacts" may cut you out of the
cash flow. Much safer to start up your own manufacturing facility where your
product can remain a secret until you have a large quantity and can get a
payback from sales.
While patents and copyrights may give you the right to sue a competitor, in
practice the small company or individual doesn't stand much of a chance
against the large companies, because legal fees can run into millions of $.
At best you might get an "out of court" settlement from the big company to
avoid bad publicity. And that only if you can prove you were 1st and clearly
identify how they took your product. Parallel isolated development isn't
worth a penny outside of the end market.
About a decade ago I made a prototype of a computerized voice answering
machine. It used any normal Data/Fax modem (with no voice capability, which
didn't even exist back then) and a normal sound card, such as the PAS16, a
small amount of additional hardware (less than $25 and fit in a 1-1/2" x 2" x
3" box) and the software I wrote. Essentially the modem was only used to
detect the incoming ring. Software decided if it was a Data/Fax or Voice
call. If it was Voice, then the additional hardware would pick up the line
and make the interface (with appropriate isolation) from the phone line to the
sound card. And more software would play the pre-recorded outbound msg, then
switch to record the incoming msg. It would continue to record as long as
there was no incoming silence longer than 5 seconds, then hangup, save the
incoming msg as a unique file name and wait for the next call. Fax/Data
incoming were only delayed for 1 additional ring during the software decision
making process and then handled in the normal manner by whatever
BBS/terminal/Fax software you normally used. The user could see a list of
each incoming msg with the date/time stamps and select to play back all or any
1 of them. Then delete any 1 or all of them. The GUI interface was just some
ANSI displays with single key stroke menus. Actually that was pretty neat,
considering it was before OS/2 and WinXX.) Anyway it was far more than just a
"proof of concept"; it worked. And at the time it was novel in that there was
nothing on the market like it. And since it was cheap and flexible I felt it
would sell.
That is when I made my big mistake. I went looking for a manufacturer and
distributor. I contacted Radio Shack, among others. I spent a lot of time on
the phone, but never actually showed anyone my prototype. No contracts were
signed. 3 months later Radio Shack released their version built into their
computer with their software. Granted their's was not cheap nor flexible.
But I had no doubt where they got the idea from.
At that time, after almost a year of research and development, and some
expense for programming software including special developer tools for the
sound card, I was really pissed. I closed all my programming books and have
never reopened them again. My electronic shop has become a storage room. I
totally gave up on my prototype and have no intention of ever trying to
compete in the race to get a hardware product to market, again.
I attribute most of my failure to my ignorance (at the time) of the
manufacturing and distribution chain from an individual inventor's
perspective. All my previous inventions and prototypes were made while I
worked for some large company. So the companies I worked for already had the
distribution and sales lined up. All I had to do previously was come up with
a great idea, build a prototype and at most organize a small pilot run of the
product. The largest pilot run I ever did was only a few dozen items, made in
a warehouse using whatever other employees of the same company I could get on
overtime. Other than that I had worked in large factories where I was just
another Tech or QC supervisor, making products for the government or big
industry, and never really gave much thought to marketing.
After my prototype fiasco, I went into software distribution and sales.
Selling someone else's software. Not so much at risk and no huge factory.
So having a bright idea is 1 thing.
Researching the market and competition is another.
Perfecting your product is another.
Getting your product to market before the competition is pretty stiff.
Finding a way to keep the secrets all the way through the many "contacts"
until your product is ready to flood the market is very important.
My advice, either try to control the whole process from beginning to end, or
get under some other big company's umbrella.
While that may seem to apply mostly to hardware, it also applies to software.
I remember when Steven Tower was getting a lot of inside help from IBM and
even won some awards for native OS/2 AdeptXBBS. As far as being Internet
ready Adept was way ahead of the competition, at the time many years ago. But
Steven Tower and AdeptSoft were independent and not under contract by IBM. So
when a another popular BBS writer even threatened (with no OS/2 software at
all) to come out with a competing product, IBM dropped all support for Adept.
Without the umbrella of IBM distribution and marketing, Adept went down hill
from there. There never really was any serious competition, until it was too
late. After that I think Steven Tower went to work for some other company,
where he at least got paid.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 30-Aug-99 09:36:18
To: Andrew Grillet 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Andrew Grillet,
28-Aug-99 11:11:55, Andrew Grillet wrote to Andy Roberts
AG> -=> On 25 Aug 99 17:41:08 Andy Roberts said to Stephen Haffly <=-
Subject: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
AR>> It was fairly common practice for many small cheap chip OEMs to
AR>> spot check rather than thoroughly test ever chip.
AG> It is standard practice, provided the failure rate is low enough
AG> to justify it.
Or the selling price to the assembly factory is so low that additional testing
is not economical. And the assembly factory is willing to accept a batch with
a high failure rate.
It's that last line that separates ZOOM's low standards from other OEMs that
waited for a good run of Rockwell chips.
AR>> They sold those chips in batches of 10,000 to other factories
AR>> which assembled them onto working circuits. It was left up to
AR>> the assembly factory Quality Control Dept to test the fully
AR>> assembled product and thus all the components at one time, before
AR>> it was sold to the final customer.
AG> its extremely common in the home computer industry, and indeed the
AG> entire home electronics sector to 'let the customer test it' -
AG> after all, factory tests could easily reject product that was
AG> acceptable to the customer :-)
LOL
AR>> I have no reason to think Lucent will be any different. Nor do I
AR>> have any reason to put Rockwell down for doing no more than that.
AR>> But unless ZOOM has changed, they were not testing hardly any of
AR>> their modems before being boxed and shipped.
AG> I cannot say I am shocked to hear it. I would hardly bat an eyelid
AG> if they did not test any. I guess most of their competitors dont
AG> even test a small sample.
I have a feeling USR does test a sample of their Sportsters and probably a
larger sample if not all their Couriers.
AR>> ZOOM is cheap but not economical.
AG> This is not my experience.
We'll see in the long run.
AR>> Way too may users including myself have been put on Hold for many
AR>> hours waiting to get a ZOOM RMA. Granted in my case that was
AR>> years ago, when ZOOM was popular. After that I just threw the
AR>> ZOOM modems on the shelf and didn't waste my time even trying to
AR>> get an RMA if I could not get it within 15 minutes.
AG> But at least 50% worked?
Maybe
AG> In my experience, 5/5 work.
Definitely not to be expected over a long period of time with various
different models of ZOOM modems. You've really beat the odds. The average
user of ZOOM modems does not report similar success.
AG> And its still cheaper buy two and throw 50% away than to buy USR!
No Way.!
While it may have been so that you could buy a ZOOM for 1/2 the price of a USR
Courier, that is not cheaper. Chances are the buyer had to throw away 1 of
those 2 ZOOM modems promptly if not immediately and only after going to
additional time and expense trying to get it replaced. If he is lucky he can
add the cost of his phone bill and return shipping to the initial purchase
price. If not so lucky, then the buyer gets the 2nd ZOOM modem, only to find
it does not perform up to par and costs more in LD phone bills. Then the 2nd
ZOOM dies long before the life of the USR is up. So the ZOOM buyer winds up
with nothing but APITA while the USR buyer is still going strong.
That scenario is based on long past experience. Are the present ZOOM modems
still 1/2 the price of the Sportster? (ie.: ~$35) If not, then the economics
are even less in favor of ZOOM.
Either way that's also assuming the user's time is not worth anything at all.
Even if the user is making free local calls, the ZOOM will take longer to
accomplish the same data transfer than the USR. So given the same usage over
the life of the modem, the ZOOM user will waste many hours of time.
AG> Sure I recomend USR if you want performance and reliability.
For top performance and reliability definitely, but even if the buyer
considers the average, then ZOOM falls near the bottom.
AG> I own both Zoom and USR modems,
So do I. And the last of my 1/2 a dozen ZOOM modems (a 14.4 from before
ZOOM's downfall) is limping along just well enough to send Fax. I never use
it for data anymore.
A couple of years ago I had a working ZOOM 28.8 V.FC in this machine and sold
it to 1 of my users. When it arrived at the buyer it would not do more than
19.2. The buyer tried updating some chips before sending it back for a full
refund. I apologized and said I knew the USR was better than ZOOM. He then
bought a new Sportster Voice modem. That did not get on very well with his
poor line conditions. He now has a Courier.
I have 2 of those ZOOM 28.8 V.FC modems. One of my local logon users was
using a 2400. I gave him the other good ZOOM 28.8 V.FC and told him he could
just keep it, unless I had a major emergency that wipped out all my other
modems. Actually I just told him that, since he didn't want to take a free
gift and I knew he could not afford a new modem. Loaner was acceptable to
him, even though I didn't want it back. A few months later he gave the modem
back because he bought a WinModem that had better performance. Sheesh... I
can't even give a ZOOM modem away free.
AG> and also several nameless pieces of junk which came in boxes saying
AG> 'Rockwell Modem'.
Ah yes, the no-name ZOOM modems that got relabled, after ZOOM knew the modem
was junk, but shipped them to the public anyway.
AG> The USR Courier connects faster, and sends data faster in almost
AG> every case. The Sportster is a dead duck on a level with the
AG> 'Lockwerr Special - make in Korea from used Toyota wing panels'
I bought a Sportster for my sister-in-law this year. In good weather (meaning
good line conditions) it's performance is equal to my Courier. In bad weather
and poor line conditions, it tends to have a lower connect speed than my
Courier. But the Sportster is still much better than a ZOOM.
AG> Where performance justifies it get a Courier. Where it doesn't,
AG> Rockwell is seriously better than no-name junk.
I think if the user intended to get a new modem every year or so and poor
performance in the mean time is of no concern, then maybe the lesser price for
the ZOOM can be justified. I'm sure some dealers consider that when they sell
a bottom priced entry level computer system with WinXX.
But the distinction between Rockwell (which is primarily ZOOM) and no-name
(which is primarily ZOOM) rebadged to protect the rotten reputation of the
guilty, is IMO trying to draw a fine line between the bottom and where the
bottom fell out.
Anyway I'm glad you got 5 good ZOOM modems. I have a feeling my Courier will
still be working long after all ZOOM modems have died and gone to.. Well.. <g>
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 30-Aug-99 11:23:05
To: Eddy Thilleman 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Eddy Thilleman,
29-Aug-99 01:02:19, Bas Heijermans wrote to Eddy Thilleman
BH> Eddy Thilleman made noise to Bas Heijermans:
Subject: Matrox drivers?
MR>> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while displaying
MR>> software cursors is not caused by overheating. I can reproduce
MR>> the problem here, and I have six cooling fans inside my case.
MR>> Nothing in there ever overheats.
I agree heat is not the problem.
ET>> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that case,
ET>> try with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the current
ET>> one, just be sure to overwrite every file), the v2.21 driver runs
ET>> here without problems while the v2.23 driver caused lockups.
BH> Same here, but the 2.23 driver runs fine with 65535 colors.
I've been following this thread with great interest. In this machine I have
an original Matrox with 4MB RAM and the 2.22 driver. It works perfectly, with
16.7m colors, even on the same web pages that don't work for another machine
with the Matrox AGP G200 with 32MB RAM and the same 2.22 driver. This problem
has plagued me for a while. I updated both Matrox cards to the latest BIOS.
I reduced the colors to 65535 and still would get not only NetScape crashing
but taking OS/2 Warp4 FP9 down with it in a full lockup. Went through 3
different versions of NetScape including 4.61b2 and 3 different versions of
Java including 1.1.8. I also tried disabling Java in NetScape. I then
updated to the 2.23 driver. That would lockup NetScape, but at least not
crash nor lockup OS/2. I then installed the 2.21 driver. That would crash
NetScape with Java enabled, but at least not crash nor lockup OS/2. So now
with Java disabled and the 2.21 driver and 65535 colors, I can finally see the
web page with the AGP G200.
BTW, at 1 time I thought this might have something to do with the NetScape
cache. But I don't think so now. I moved NetScape to a 500MB partition all
by itself and raised both the HD and memory cache up by a factor of 10x. With
256MB of RAM, even if NetScape has a memory leak or fragmented cache (which
I'm not saying it does) it still should not have locked up or crashed like
that, immediately after a warm boot and emptying both of NetScape's caches, by
just going directly to a URL. Both of these URLs caused the same problem for
the AGP G200 with 32MB RAM, but not the original Matrox with 4MB RAM:
http://www.hqudc.org
http://search.ancestry.com
/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gst=5&prox=o&gspl&1%cany&locality&gsfn=&gsln=rick
This has been APITA trying to find the right combinations of drivers and Java
and color settings for the AGP G200, when everything works for my original
Matrox. Seems that the 2.21 driver is best and that the 2.22 driver is worst,
with only a slight improvement in the 2.23 drive.
AFAIK 2.23 was the latest driver last week. But I'm eagerly waiting for a
newer and fixed driver so I can enable Java and get all the colors.
Furthermore I think both NetScape and Java have some serious bugs. Those bugs
may not show up on all web pages equally, nor all systems equally, nor all
apps equally, nor all Matrox cards equally, nor all Matrox drivers equally.
And in the case of both Matrox cards and drivers, older may be better.
You can be very sure I'm not at all happy to report that.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Rich Wonneberger 30-Aug-99 20:27:00
To: John Thompson 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
*** Quoting John Thompson to Rich Wonneberger dated 08-29-99 ***
> RW> My ISP does support OS/2 btw.. :}
>
> As in actual support or just "since it's all tcp/ip it should
> work the same way" type of thing?
Dont know.. They did have something on the web for setting's in either IBM's
dialer, or In-Joy (I forget which).. I was able to get the info I needed
from there.. From 1 call to them, they didnt even pause when I mentioned
OS/2..
*** Quoting John Thompson to Rich Wonneberger dated 08-29-99 ***
> RW> Any ISP that uses WinModemz must also use tin cans & strings to
> communicate..
(bit del)
> And most likely a whole bunch of rack-mount modems, not the
> desktop versions most mortal users have.
Dont think I ever saw a rack of tin cans.. :}
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
... Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
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From: Andrew Leary 30-Aug-99 20:18:24
To: LEE ARONER 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
Hello LEE!
Friday August 27 1999 13:48, LEE ARONER wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD:
LA> And another voice for external modems. One problem with internals
LA> that no one else has mentioned is that the on-board com ports do
LA> jam from time to time and the ONLY way to unjam them is to power
LA> the pc down...not so with an external, and then there is the
LA> matter of the LEDs on the externals...great diagnostic aids!
Right on! In fact, a system at work has a Gateway Telepath II (really a
rebadged USR Sportster) which has this very problem every now and then. When
it happens the modem freezes up completely and won't go back on hook until the
machine is shut down.
I've never had that problem with an external. Speaking as the owner of 3 USR
Courier V.Everything externals, I recommend them highly. I have 2 of them
sitting underneath my monitor right now; and another one on my "game" machine.
All of them run 24/7 and I've yet to see any heat problems.
Andrew
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From: Francois Massonneau 29-Aug-99 08:46:14
To: Eddy Thilleman 31-Aug-99 07:03:12
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Hello Eddy!
Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Francois Massonneau:
FM>> As I didn't delete any .SNP file, do I have to touch the snoop.lst
FM>> file ????
ET> I would remove any mention of snoop files for hardware you don't have,
ET> this way they won't interfere. You can delete those snoop files to
ET> make more room.
Do you think i have to delete the aic7870.snp, and rem out this line in the
snoop.lst file, as the aic78u2.add must need this file and entry ????
sorry for these questions, but when it will be time for the diskettes to work,
it will mean that my HD will be formatted, so no return - bye bye my previous
system ;-) or :-(
Bye, Francois!
Email: fmas@celtes.com
Web : http://www.worldnet.net/~island/
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From: Kris Steenhaut 29-Aug-99 11:49:04
To: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hello Eddy,
woensdag 25 augustus 1999 10.50, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas Heijermans:
ET> Hi Bas,
ET> 16 Aug 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:
MR>> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while
MR>> displaying software cursors is not caused by overheating.
MR>> I can reproduce the problem here, and I have six cooling
MR>> fans inside my case. Nothing in there ever overheats.
ET> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that case, try
ET> with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the current one, just
Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really suck, no matter what
bios the card is on, no matter wich 2.22 @ 2.31 driver, no matter wich 256 @
16.7 resolution . I've tried & interchanged them all by now.
The most reliable, hmm, better say the less unreliable, are the latest beta
2.31.
The 2.31 only block at high processing activities, and not on high file
transfers too, as the 2.22 @ 2.30 do.
Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely the Matrox
will be kicked out here.
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Eddy Thilleman 30-Aug-99 09:39:10
To: Francois Massonneau 01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Sound Blaster 16 Value PNP
Hi Francois,
27 Aug 99, Francois Massonneau of 2:326/2 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET> is a DOS utility included with the network card to put the
ET> settings in its NVRAM if it has any? If so, you can boot DOS
ET> and run that DOS utility...
FM> Yes, I'm gonna check that and try this evening.
Maybe this DOS utility (if one is included) also works in a VDM session or in
a VMB session??
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... "Consult the Book of Armaments!"
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From: Russell Tiedt 29-Aug-99 20:49:24
To: All 01-Sep-99 02:31:23
Subj: Aimslab RadioTrack
Hi,
Does a utility or program exist that will allow me to operate my Aimslab
RadioTrack FM radio card under OS2 Warp Connect?
Go well, and God bless,
Russell
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From: Bat Lang 31-Aug-99 14:30:27
To: Andy Roberts 01-Sep-99 08:21:24
Subj: Matrox drivers?
-=> Quoting Andy Roberts to Eddy Thilleman, [30 Aug 99 11:23:11] <=-
AR> I've been following this thread with great interest. In this machine
AR> I have an original Matrox with 4MB RAM and the 2.22 driver. It works
I have the same board, orig. Mill w/4mb RAM, but I am using 2.30.089
driver. Have you tried that one. I am using it at 1024x768x64k, which is
=my= preferred mode on a 17" Princeton EO75 @ 85hz.
AR> AFAIK 2.23 was the latest driver last week. But I'm eagerly waiting
AR> for a newer and fixed driver so I can enable Java and get all the
AR> colors.
See above. I am also using Java 1.1.8 enabled. What's the perceived
need/advantage to "all the colors." Perhaps I should experiment, but I
reasoned that I would pay a penalty in the speed of the V.90 graphics
'painting' with Netscape (4.61). Not so?? I sure don't need them ANY
slower than they are now. }^:
AR> And in the case of both Matrox cards and drivers, older may be better.
Since I have nothing newer than that Mill-4mb, with which I have always
been happy, I cannot dispute your card assertion, but you might want to
give the 2.30 driver a try. Good Modeming! /\oo/\
... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com
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From: Holger Granholm 31-Aug-99 20:45:00
To: Andrew Grillet 01-Sep-99 09:22:29
Subj: Internet Phone
In a message dated 08-28-99, Andrew Grillet said to Andy Roberts:
AG>I invented the 'sinclair' microdrive, the programable organ (before
AG>casio, etc), pay per view TV, and numerous other things that were
AG>later invented by others. Unfortunately I don't have the contacts
AG>to make anything of the inventions.)
And the older I get, the better I was!
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 14:25:25
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollard 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Pci(?) Modem And Os/2 Wa
Hello Jonathan,
donderdag 26 augustus 1999 02.26, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Kris
Steenhaut:
JP> address is as in the origin line. Please don't use any other method,
JP> such as UU-encoding or MIME encoding the file into the body of a
JP> message.
Has been crashed this very day to Air Applewood.
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 14:27:01
To: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hello Eddy,
donderdag 26 augustus 1999 11.09, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
ET> If you have only the LS-120 & the ZIP as only IDE/ATAPI devices, I
ET> would put them both as master on both channels, not on the same
ET> channel because then they have to wait on each other.
Why I didn't thought about that earlier. Thank you very much!
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 14:28:22
To: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hello Eddy,
donderdag 26 augustus 1999 11.15, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
ET> Hi Kris,
ET> 19 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Mike Roark:
KS>> more detailed survey about the Matrox problems was mailed by
KS>> Daniela Engert.
ET> Could you email that to me? Or post it here if it's not too long.
It's in the readme Danis506.add beta 7:
++++ Knip.....Begin van het bestand y:1.1 .....++++
If there is a PCI EIDE controller in your system, and you happen to
have a Matrox video board, then the boot process might just stop at a
certain point or fail with a trap 8. This is due to a horribly nasty
behaviour of the Matrox driver wich scans all ports with addresses Cx0yh
(x = 0..F, y = 0..3) at initialization of the base video handler even if
these addresses are not assigned to the video board. I wouldn't call it
playing by the rules beating the bush and looking if some sort of MGA
drops out of it.
If any other PCI device gets assigned addresses matching the above pattern,
*anything* can happen. To work around this problem, I have added a new
option /MGAFIX which detects EIDE hardware with addresses affected by that,
and tries to push them away a little by reprogramming the address decoders
so that they are no longer potential scan targets.
++++ Knip.....Einde van het bestand y:1.1 .....++++
On my system here, the /MGAFIX trick doesn't work, btw.
And I do have the "anything could happen" feature. ((-:
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Kris Steenhaut 30-Aug-99 14:36:10
To: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Iomega Zip
Hello Eddy,
donderdag 26 augustus 1999 21.41, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
ET> Hi Kris,
ET> 19 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS>> As long as the drivers do tolerate it, ofcoz.
ET> Ofcourse, I forgot to mention that.
KS>> 1@ You had it right about the matrox drivers, they do suck.
ET> At least the Matrox drivers v2.23 and later. v2.22 works here without
ET> problems, I heard that some other people have problems with this
ET> version, not my experience.
2.22 has the same problems here. At least, the same problems in another
disguise. I mean, the system blocking occurs at big-files transfers
(2.23-2.30) or at high processing activities, such as having FD/2, FM/2 &
Golded/2 running at the same time (2.22 & 2.31)
ET> v2.21 works here without problems and I
I have to try the 2.21 yet.
ET> I might do that, I'm considering this.
The SDD beta 6 worked excellent here, snag is the Acrobatic reader does
acrobatics: black blocks and stripes instead of text.
KS>> hang when the WPS was loaded. An IRQ conflict, indeed, but
KS>> due to the misfitted CD-Rom, not to the ATI card.
ET> OK, I'm glad you have worked it out. :)
Thank you.
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Eddy Thilleman 31-Aug-99 10:57:09
To: Francois Massonneau 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Hi Francois,
28 Aug 99, Francois Massonneau of 2:326/2 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> Does the system boot DOS and do you have access to the harddisks? If
ET>> so, then the hardware and termination are OK.
FM> I can boot DOS, but can't access those disks as they are formatted
FM> HPFS and everything else is for Linux.
If DOS' fdisk can view at least something about the partitions on your
harddisk (don't change anything with DOS' fdisk), that's enough to know that
your hardware and termination are OK.
ET>> directory to need to be on the harddisk (you don't return to the
ET>> screen where you press F3 to go the commandline), then reboot the
ET>> system from harddisk and let the install finish.
FM> ok, thank you.
Let us know how it works out.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Add little to little and there will be a big pile.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 31-Aug-99 10:59:00
To: Bas Heijermans 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Bas,
29 Aug 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
BH> Same here, but the 2.23 driver runs fine with 65535 colors.
I run with 32 bits color depth.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Are you a good witch, or are you a bad witch?
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From: David Calafrancesco 28-Aug-99 11:00:12
To: Herbert Bushong 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
Herbert Bushong wrote in a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
HB> I've read your reasons for wanting an internal (the Courier
HB> was my first external), but personally, I'd move my grandma
HB> out of the way to make room for my Courier :)
At around 2cm tall it also stacks nicely on top of a mini-tower case,
otherwise wasted space in most systems. Then again I am weird, I don't run a
cover and have cables running from inside the system all over the place ;)
Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org
... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine!
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From: David Calafrancesco 31-Aug-99 12:17:10
To: Francois Massonneau 01-Sep-99 22:22:23
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Francois Massonneau wrote in a message to Eddy Thilleman:
FM> Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Francois
FM> Massonneau:
FM>> As I didn't delete any .SNP file, do I have to touch the snoop.lst
FM>> file ????
ET> I would remove any mention of snoop files for hardware you don't have,
ET> this way they won't interfere. You can delete those snoop files to
ET> make more room.
FM> Do you think i have to delete the aic7870.snp, and rem out
FM> this line in the snoop.lst file, as the aic78u2.add must
FM> need this file and entry ????
FM> sorry for these questions, but when it will be time for the
FM> diskettes to work, it will mean that my HD will be
FM> formatted, so no return - bye bye my previous system ;-) or
FM> :-(
FM> Bye, Francois!
Use LH32 or ZIP to archive your system to spare space on another drive before
you wipe the drive. Then you can always get back to where you are now at least
;)
Dave Calafrancesco, Team OS/2
dave@drakkar.org
... They got the library at Alexandria, they're not getting mine!
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From: Andy Roberts 01-Sep-99 08:30:26
To: Bat Lang 01-Sep-99 22:46:29
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Bat Lang,
31-Aug-99 14:30:54, Bat Lang wrote to Andy Roberts
Subject: Matrox drivers?
AR>> I've been following this thread with great interest. In this
AR>> machine I have an original Matrox with 4MB RAM and the 2.22
AR>> driver. It works
BL> I have the same board, orig. Mill w/4mb RAM, but I am using
BL> 2.30.089 driver. Have you tried that one. I am using it at
BL> 1024x768x64k, which is =my= preferred mode on a 17" Princeton EO75
BL> @ 85hz.
I have not bothered with that driver on this machine because it works
perfectly even at 16.7m colors and any version of NetScape and Java.
The machine I'm having APITA with is a P-II 450 with 256MB RAM with Matrox AGP
G200 with 32MB RAM with the OEM BIOS and the latest BIOS update applied.
On that machine I did try the 2.23 driver and 1024x768x64k, which still locked
up NetScape 4.61b2. I didn't know there was a 2.30.089 driver.
AR>> AFAIK 2.23 was the latest driver last week. But I'm eagerly
AR>> waiting for a newer and fixed driver so I can enable Java and get
AR>> all the colors.
BL> See above. I am also using Java 1.1.8 enabled. What's the
BL> perceived need/advantage to "all the colors."
My preference for 16.7m colors has nothing to do with Java nor NetScape
directly. The problem machine is intended for graphics such as from a scanner
using PMView. That's why it has so much RAM.
BL> Perhaps I should experiment, but I reasoned that I would pay a penalty
BL> in the speed of the V.90 graphics 'painting' with Netscape (4.61). Not
BL> so??
Apples, Oranges and Pears in that statement. V.90 speed is not going to be
effected by the maximum color setting on your video card. You will D/L the
same graphics file from the net regardless. OTOH the 'painting' speed and
NetScape may very well be effected. But again that is 2 different things.
NetScape has been notorious for not getting on very well at the highest
maximum colors (although it has always worked perfectly for me on my
original Matrox card.) 'Painting' speed is mostly due to the video card and
drivers regardless of the amount of RAM on the video card. AFAIK video RAM
has nothing to do with speed. But the additional RAM on the video card allows
it to perform at higher resolutions with more colors. The Matrox box used to
have a chart on it that showed exactly what the limits were. The limits are
probably different for each model. I may be wrong about this, but I have a
feeling if your setting for maximum colors and resolution works at all, then
increasing RAM is useless. As I see it the advantage to more RAM is pretty
much limited for the smaller monitors like your's and my 17" because we are
not likely to ever set the resolution up so high that we can use all the RAM.
Some younger fellows with very sharp eyes, might use higher settings than we
do, and thus use all the video RAM. On a 19" or larger monitor with a very
high resolution and colors setting, then that additional RAM is used.
So to answer your question, IMO there is very little penalty in 'painting'
speed for the difference between 64k and 16.7m colors at 1024x768. My guess
is it is probably a fraction of a second difference.
I suppose if I were to experiment, then I would pick a huge high resolution
picture that has 16.7m colors (most do not.) Then I would attempt to measure
the time it takes to load from my HD into PMView as compared to NetScape.
Then change the Matrox settings (reboot) and load that same picture into the
same apps again. In that case the NetScape memory cache will be emptied, when
you reboot OS/2 for the new Matrox settings to take effect.
There is a situation where the high resolution pictures do make a significant
difference in D/L and thus 'painting' speed with NetScape. If you go to
Olympus.com and look at their digital cameras they have a wide variety of
pictures with various resolutions and sizes. Of course 99.99% of the time is
consumed in the D/L regardless of your video maximum color setting.
BL> I sure don't need them ANY slower than they are now. }^:
It's an interesting area of discussion about 'painting' speed. I've never
seen a comparison chart listing a wide variety of video cards. My personal
experience was that there is a lot of difference between my old Diamond
SpeedStar and my original Matrox Millennium on the same machine. Personally I
found it much harder to determine what caused a slight increase in 'painting'
speed between my original Matrox with 4MB and the new Matrox AGP G200 with
32MB RAM, because they are in different machines. The new Matrox is in a P-II
450MB with 256MB RAM and a Seagate HD that is twice as fast as the Seagate HD
in my P200i with 64MB RAM. I'm pretty sure CPU speed, RAM and HD speed have
an effect that would have to be separated from the video card performance.
AR>> And in the case of both Matrox cards and drivers, older may be
AR>> better.
BL> Since I have nothing newer than that Mill-4mb, with which I have
BL> always been happy, I cannot dispute your card assertion, but you
BL> might want to give the 2.30 driver a try. Good Modeming! /\oo/\
I will definitely go and look for that ASAP.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Kris Steenhaut 31-Aug-99 12:29:16
To: Steve Mccrystal 02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: SIO
Hello Steve,
zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 15.23, Steve McCrystal wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
SM> ;
SM> In a msg of <Thursday August 26 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to
SM> Jonathan De Boyne Pollard: ; Kris,
KS>> I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio.
SM> The "we" is a bit too inclusive, don't you think?
I have to agree on that.
KS>> The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more
KS>> stable,
SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with Internet,
seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have regular 48000 connect,
and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost 31200; on the same
BBS's, ofcoz.
Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp 3 --> Warp 4.
KS>> and are free.
SM> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?
The files are free for download. A free 32 port version. Don't see much
reason to pay for more for getting less.
BTW: I do have a Sio 4 port license; indeed.
SM> I own one, and altho it is very fine hardware, it is far from free!
They give us a good reason to buy their hardware, don't they,
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: Kris Steenhaut 31-Aug-99 12:45:19
To: Holger Granholm 02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: SIO
Hello Holger,
zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 19.33, Holger Granholm wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
HG> In a message dated 08-26-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Jonathan De Boyne
HG> Pollard:
HG> Hi Kris,
KS>> I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio. The Quatech
KS>> OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable, and are
KS>> free. Working now about 2 months with the Quatech, and I don't
KS>> intend to go back to Sio.
HG> What do you mean by "more stable"? I have been running SIO ever
HG> since OS/2 v2.1 and have never had any failures on neither outgoing
HG> nor incoming calls.
Didn't say the the Sio are unstable, I do say the Quatech are more stable. It
my depend on wich tel. company is in charge, maybe. Anyway, as I told already
to Steve, I do have a remarquable better connect rate here. And no drops out
with Netscape anymore, no drop outs at all.
Groeten uit Gent,
Regards/2
Kris
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From: George Fliger 01-Sep-99 06:00:00
To: Kris Steenhaut 02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: Re: Matrox drivers?
On 29 Aug 99 11:49am, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> Hello Eddy,
KS> woensdag 25 augustus 1999 10.50, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Bas
KS> Heijermans:
ET> Hi Bas,
ET> 16 Aug 99, Bas Heijermans of 2:292/180 wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:
MR>> The problem with the Matrox cards locking up while
MR>> displaying software cursors is not caused by overheating.
MR>> I can reproduce the problem here, and I have six cooling
MR>> fans inside my case. Nothing in there ever overheats.
ET> Are you using the Matrox v2.23 (or later) driver? In that case, try
ET> with the v2.21 driver (you can install it over the current one, just
KS> Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really suck,
KS> no matter what bios the card is on, no matter wich 2.22 @ 2.31
KS> driver, no matter wich 256 @ 16.7 resolution . I've tried &
KS> interchanged them all by now.
KS> The most reliable, hmm, better say the less unreliable, are the
KS> latest beta 2.31.
KS> The 2.31 only block at high processing activities, and not on
KS> high file transfers too, as the 2.22 @ 2.30 do.
KS> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely
KS> the Matrox will be kicked out here.
Sorry you feel that way because I do not experience any of the problems
you describe with MY Matrox Millennium II. It's been extremely solid,
especially with the latest drivers and flash bios code. In fact, the
latest drivers fixed a background display problem (couldn't display
backgrounds) when creating html documents with HomePage Publisher.
With the above in mind, your comment that Matrox drivers, "really suck"
seems to only apply to your use of them. They blow the socks off of IBM's
GRADD drivers and SDD's drivers in speed and performance here.
George
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From: George White 28-Aug-99 08:07:00
To: Chris Martin 02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Wa
Hi Chris,
Chris Martin wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
CM>Go for a DSL line, they DO both, and are in the same cost
CM>bracket as the ISDN line, and easier to use and install. Also
CM>have MUCH greater throughput uplink and downlink.
No chance for Jonathan :-(.
From a current UK magazine (Computer Shopper - Cover date Oct 1999,
page 487).
"BT has now committed to a date for its much anticipated ADSL service,
although technical hitches may well crop up to add delays.
From March 200, the service is expected to be offered from more than 400
digital exchanges, covering around a quarter of the population. The
company expects that most large cities will be covered by 2002. With
services priced from 30UKP per month and streams of 512Kbit/s, 2Mbit/s
and 2.5Mbit/s, ADSL will almost certainly mean the end of IDSN."
30UKP is currently just over 45USD, and is more than 3 times the line
rental for a standard voice line.
Although it doesn't say so, I suspect calls will still be charged on
the same basis as at present.
CM> From an Echo heard on MARS. Call to be transported. (1:219/308)
You are well ahead of us over there...
George
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From: George White 29-Aug-99 11:31:01
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 02-Sep-99 13:32:19
Subj: ISDN modem
Hi Jonathan de Boyne Pollard,
Andy Roberts wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard:
AR> JdBP> The important thing that I'm concerned with is being able to make
(an
AR> JdBP> receive) voice calls at the same time as ordinary data calls. If,
in
AR> JdBP> order to achieve this, ISDN requires that the PC, or modem, be
AR> JdBP> continually powered,
AR>Yes it does.
AR> JdBP> then it may turn out to be cheaper just to rent a second voice line
AR> JdBP> instead.
AR>Yes it could be a lot cheaper. Another voice line in addition to ISDN
would
AR>actually be 3 phone numbers. This gets complex considering that you can
use
AR>of the ISDN "B" channels for voice.
Simplified account of UK BT ISDN pricing:
ISDN has an extra install charge over the normal line.
ISDN line rental is approx 3 (three) times a single private PSTN line.
"Real" ISDN line rental includes a (large) call allowance, I'm
considering the line rental as rental charges less the call allowance.
The call allowance is the only significant difference between ISDN and
"Home Highway" - if you don't use it up "real" ISDN becomes much more
expensive.
George
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From: Leonard Erickson 01-Sep-99 05:10:01
To: All 02-Sep-99 17:37:18
Subj: sound card problem
I've got some dos mode stuff that I still use that needs to access my
sound card. The problem is, they either don't see it, or telse they
think they see it, but no sound comes out.
It's a Media vision PAS 16, but they pretty much think it's a sound-blaster.
Any suggestions?
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From: LEE ARONER 29-Aug-99 23:20:00
To: STEVE MCCRYSTAL 02-Sep-99 17:37:18
Subj: SIO
KS> I'm afraid we don't have to bother anymore about Sio.
SM> The "we" is a bit too inclusive, don't you think?
KS> The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more stable,
SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
KS> and are free.
SM> Of course, you factored in the cost of the Quatech board?
SM> I own one, and altho it is very fine hardware, it is far from free!
The driver supports legacy (MBoard) hardware without any
qualifications and at very high speeds. Of course it's nowhere
near as polished or as inclusive as Ray's product.
No contest for me which I'll be using, but for the completely
penurious, it might be an option.
LRA
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From: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 18:28:18
To: Francois Massonneau 03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: Install Diskettes and U2W
Hi Francois,
29 Aug 99, Francois Massonneau of 2:326/2 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET> I would remove any mention of snoop files for hardware you
ET> don't have, this way they won't interfere. You can delete
ET> those snoop files to make more room.
FM> Do you think i have to delete the aic7870.snp, and rem out
FM> this line in the snoop.lst file, as the aic78u2.add must
FM> need this file and entry ????
I think the aic78u2.add driver does not need the snoop file, and AFAIK the
aic78u2.add driver does not have a snoop file.
I have removed aic7870.snp from the snoop.lst file on my friend's system which
has the onboard Adaptec U2W and there is no problem (this system is moved out
my door so I can't check it to be sure and my system doesn't have an Adaptec).
As I understand, the snoop files are only to detect the present hardware. If
you can install device drivers all by yourself by putting the needed lines in
config.sys and putting the needed files in the appropriate places, no snoop
files are needed, you need thorough understanding of your system and your
hardware to be able to do it all by yourself. But I'm not quite sure about
this, at least I understand you can remove the snoop files for hardware you
don't have just like device drivers. To see this myself, from the snoop.lst
file I've removed snoop files for hardware I don't have (I've saved a copy of
the original snoop.lst file and I've an emergency boot partition so I can
always put back the original snoop.lst file), if this goes well I'll rename
the snoop.lst file so that it isn't be used anymore and see if my system still
boots properly, I'll let you know what I think.
FM> sorry for these questions, but when it will be time for the
FM> diskettes to work, it will mean that my HD will be formatted,
FM> so no return - bye bye my previous system ;-) or :-(
I can give a strong advice: don't proceed until these bootdiskettes properly
boot without any difficulties, don't proceed if you have doubts. The
installation program / fdisk gives clear warnings when something irreversible
like deleting partitions or formatting are going to be undertaken. Ofcourse,
formatting the partition means you have to save / backup all files on that
partition you want to keep, it's allways a good idea to save / backup
important files.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 01-Sep-99 22:57:20
To: Andy Roberts 03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Andy,
30 Aug 99, Andy Roberts of 1:109/921.1 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
AR> http://www.hqudc.org
AR> http://search.ancestry.com
AR> /cgi-bin/sse.
AR> dll?gl=allgs&gst=5&prox=o&gspl&1%cany&locality&gsfn=&gsln=ric
I'll try these two web sites myself and will report the results.
AR> This has been APITA trying to find the right combinations of
It's very cumbersome.
AR> Seems that the 2.21 driver is best and that the 2.22 driver
AR> is worst, with only a slight improvement in the 2.23 drive.
My experience: with v2.21 and with v2.22 I never had a problem, v2.23 caused
lockups here. I'm running v2.21 at 1280x1024, 32 bits colordepth, AGP Matrox
MGA-G200, 8 MB, Matrox BIOS v2.3
AR> AFAIK 2.23 was the latest driver last week.
Last week? v2.23 is from februari this year, they're about a half year old:
README.OS2 MATROX GRAPHICS INC. 18-Feb-1999
The MGA Millennium/Mystique/MGA-G100/MGA-G200 OS/2 PM Display Driver
Version 2.23.082
I heard the newest Matrox driver is v2.30, but I haven't tried it.
You can look at:
Matrox: http://www.matrox.com
Matrox Unified BIOS updates: http://www.matrox.com/mga/drivers/bios/home2.htm
Matrox Users Resource Centre: http://www.MatroxUsers.com
I'm thinking about trying the scitech drivers, but haven't had time yet.
SciTech Software, Inc.: http://www.scitechsoft.com
Displaymate: http://www.displaymate.com
AR> But I'm eagerly waiting for a newer and fixed driver so I can
AR> enable Java and get all the colors.
I've Java enabled.
AR> Furthermore I think both NetScape and Java have some serious bugs.
Netscape has certainly bugs, I don't have seen bugs in Java (so far).
AR> Those bugs may not show up on all web pages equally, nor all
AR> systems equally, nor all apps equally, nor all Matrox cards
AR> equally, nor all Matrox drivers equally.
Agreed.
AR> You can be very sure I'm not at all happy to report that.
I can imagine.
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Just remember, some times the dragon wins. Correction - Most Times.
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From: Mike Roark 01-Sep-99 16:58:01
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 00:13:18
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hello Kris!
Sunday August 29 1999 11:49, Kris Steenhaut wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really suck, no
On YOUR system. Here they work just fine. I've no problems at all.
KS> The 2.31 only block at high processing activities, and not on high
KS> file transfers too, as the 2.22 @ 2.30 do.
Haven't even tried the 2.31. The 2.30 did cause a lockup, but 2.22 works quite
nicely.
KS> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not, definitely the
KS> Matrox will be kicked out here.
To each his own. I've got three of them and all work nicely. Two under WinXX
and one under Os/2/linux
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 18h 17m 03s 468ms (en).
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From: Louis Aubree 31-Aug-99 21:59:00
To: Fred Springfield 03-Sep-99 06:07:12
Subj: Floppy B: problem
FS> The answer turned out to be to vacuum out the unit. I had not used
FS> the 5.25" drive in 2 years, and enough lint had accumulated in it to
FS> block the sensor which looks for the write protect slot, making the
FS> system think it was covered with tape, and hence actually write
FS> protected.
I also have a 5.25" B: drive. I seldom use it, and was worried it
left dust on floppies. So, I just cut a cardboard cover to close the
floppy slot and fixed it with adhesive tape. It could be even simpler
: adhesive tape directly fitted to close the slot when not needed.
This slot should not be an air intake when unused.
L.A.
...
* ATP/OS2 1.42 * Bonjour de Nantes, Bretagne.
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From: Peter Knapper 03-Sep-99 20:03:07
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: SIO
Hi Kris,
KS>> The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more
KS>> stable,
SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333
KS> connect with Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With
KS> Quatech drivers I do have regular 48000 connect, and
KS> seldom 45.333 or 49333.
I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications driver that handles
the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating System, can possibly affect the
Analog interface of a Modem? Its news to me that the serial port is in any way
involved in the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with its
Analog connection point...
Regards........pk.
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From: Chris Martin 01-Sep-99 09:03:11
To: David Calafrancesco 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 Warp 4
Once upon a time, out on MARS.
While reading the mail, wispering this:
JD> Unfortunately, one cannot update the N-port versions easily. One has to
JD> physically send off to Ray Gwinn for each individual minor version update.
CM> Hunh?? I registered the 4 port version about 2 -2 1/2 yrs
CM> ago, and it came with the command line ability to add the
CM> registered info into it, and get rid of the "nag" screens.
DC> The 4 port version archive that you have can't be upgraded to a greater
tha
n 4
DC> port version. The 5+ port versions are custom created for each of us by
Ray
's
DC> registration system on his BBS/website/telnetBBS. You could use your
DC> registration to log on, upgrade from the 4 port to 5+ and you would have
to
DC> download a new archive from his system that would have your registration
in
fo
DC> encoded into the archive.
Ahhh... I see.. The 4 port ONLY version can be updated simply,
the larger number of ports versions can't.. bummer :(
Chris Martin, marsbbs@gte.net
The MARS Station BBS
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From: Eddy Thilleman 02-Sep-99 08:04:22
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Kris,
30 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> Why I didn't thought about that earlier. Thank you very much!
Glad I could be of service. ;-)
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 02-Sep-99 08:16:22
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Iomega Zip
Hi Kris,
30 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> I have to try the 2.21 yet.
Let us know. :)
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 02-Sep-99 09:17:00
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Kris,
30 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> It's in the readme Danis506.add beta 7:
OK, thanks. :)
The doc file doesn't mention where to get new versions, so I don't know where
to get this new beta. But the current version works well here, so I just wait
until I encounter it.
KS> On my system here, the /MGAFIX trick doesn't work, btw.
KS> And I do have the "anything could happen" feature. ((-:
I don't have it, I haven't seen it (fortunately).
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 02-Sep-99 09:18:14
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: Matrox drivers?
Hi Kris,
29 Aug 99, Kris Steenhaut of 2:292/8125.11 wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
KS> Well, you had it right about Matrox: their drivers really
KS> suck, no matter what bios the card is on, no matter wich
KS> 2.22 @ 2.31 driver, no matter wich 256 @ 16.7 resolution .
KS> I've tried & interchanged them all by now.
You don't mention the v2.21 driver, have you tried this version? In some
cases, it makes a differences I heard. On _my_ system, both the v2.21 driver
and the v2.22 driver don't have problems. I'm running the v2.21 driver.
KS> Maybe the SDD drivers will bring a solution. If not,
KS> definitely the Matrox will be kicked out here.
I'll try the SDD driver myself some time (haven't had the time yet).
Cheers -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: LEE ARONER 02-Sep-99 20:36:00
To: ANDREW LEARY 03-Sep-99 15:30:15
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
LA> And another voice for external modems. One problem with internals
LA> that no one else has mentioned is that the on-board com ports do
LA> jam from time to time and the ONLY way to unjam them is to power
LA> the pc down...not so with an external, and then there is the
LA> matter of the LEDs on the externals...great diagnostic aids!
AL> Right on! In fact, a system at work has a Gateway Telepath II (really a
> rebadged USR Sportster) which has this very problem every now and then.
When
> it happens the modem freezes up completely and won't go back on hook until
the
> machine is shut down.
And it gets even worse with the real cheapies, like Zoom...
AL> I've never had that problem with an external. Speaking as the owner of 3
USR
> Courier V.Everything externals, I recommend them highly. I have 2 of them
> sitting underneath my monitor right now; and another one on my "game"
machine.
> All of them run 24/7 and I've yet to see any heat problems.
Too bad they cost so much. Guess it's like the old saying in
hot-rodding:
"Speed costs money...how fast do you wanna go?"
<g>
LRA
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From: Gene Tucker 03-Sep-99 17:30:00
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 17:30:00
Subj: Sio
In a message dated 08-31-99, Kris Steenhaut said to Steve Mccrystal:
KS>Hello Steve,
KS>zaterdag 28 augustus 1999 15.23, Steve McCrystal wrote to Kris Steenhaut:
SM> ;
SM> In a msg of <Thursday August 26 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to
KS>More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect
KS>with Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers
KS>I do have regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
KS>On Fido Iwas always stuck with 28800, now I do have almost
KS>31200; on the same BBS's, ofcoz.
KS>Imho, the Sio never have match completely the move from Warp 3 --> Warp 4.
Well for that part just because the connect says so doesn't mena it is so.
comm
drivers do lie. I cannot comment on these drivers in truth as I have never
tried
them. I don't have Quatech hardware at all.
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From: Steve McCrystal 02-Sep-99 06:31:13
To: Kris Steenhaut 03-Sep-99 19:21:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?
;
In a msg of <Monday August 30 1999>, Kris Steenhaut writes to Eddy Thilleman:
;
Kris,
KS> If there is a PCI EIDE controller in your system, and you happen
KS> to have a Matrox video board, then the boot process might just
KS> stop at a certain point or fail with a trap 8. This is due to a
KS> horribly nasty behaviour of the Matrox driver wich scans all
KS> ports with addresses Cx0yh (x = 0..F, y = 0..3) at initialization
KS> of the base video handler even if these addresses are not
KS> assigned to the video board. I wouldn't call it playing by the
KS> rules beating the bush and looking if some sort of MGA drops out
KS> of it.
KS> If any other PCI device gets assigned addresses matching the
KS> above pattern, *anything* can happen. To work around this
KS> problem, I have added a new option /MGAFIX which detects EIDE
KS> hardware with addresses affected by that, and tries to push them
KS> away a little by reprogramming the address decoders so that they
KS> are no longer potential scan targets.
KS> On my system here, the /MGAFIX trick doesn't work, btw.
KS> And I do have the "anything could happen" feature. ((-:
I think it fair to point out here (again), as Dani did in the hardware list,
that the above refers only to a 'failure to boot' problem that occurs EVERY
TIME you boot. If it doesn't happen EVERY TIME you boot, or problems crop up
after you have booted and run for a while YOU DO *NOT* HAVE the problem she
described, and '/MGAFIX' will not solve the problem.
And again, the 'block on high processing' and 'crash on large file transfers'
you have mentioned are not a result of the problem '/MGAFIX' solves. I think
you may be more prudent to investigate the National version thing that the
Matrox drivers.
-[Steve]-
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From: Roy J. Tellason 03-Sep-99 15:04:28
To: Peter Knapper 03-Sep-99 19:21:04
Subj: SIO
Peter Knapper wrote in a message to Kris Steenhaut:
KS>> The Quatech OS/2 comdrivers support up to 32 ports, are more
KS>> stable,
SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications
PK> driver that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating
PK> System, can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem?
PK> Its news to me that the serial port is in any way involved in
PK> the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with its
PK> Analog connection point...
It would seem to me that a port driver that's better written and able to deal
with actually moving more data through a port would also support higher
connect rates...
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From: Bat Lang 02-Sep-99 23:38:16
To: George Fliger 03-Sep-99 19:21:04
Subj: Matrox drivers?
-=> Quoting George Fliger to Kris Steenhaut, [01 Sep 99 06:00:00] <=-
GF> Sorry you feel that way because I do not experience any of the
GF> problems you describe with MY Matrox Millennium II. It's been
GF> extremely solid, especially with the latest drivers and flash bios
GF> code.
Where did you get your flash bios code, and what version # ? I am using
2.7 here. If yours is no later than that, forget the source. {^; Good
Modeming! /\oo/\
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From: Mike Roark 02-Sep-99 20:55:03
To: David Calafrancesco 03-Sep-99 23:17:10
Subj: PCI(?) modem and OS/2 War
Hello David!
Saturday August 28 1999 11:00, David Calafrancesco wrote to Herbert Bushong:
DC> otherwise wasted space in most systems. Then again I am weird, I don't
DC> run a cover and have cables running from inside the system all over
DC> the place ;)
Aha.. Someone else with dangly-wire syndrome.. ;-) I had a connector on the PS
go bad, and not having the time to replace it, I just added another splitter..
Problem is that it is one of the long ones. So it hangs outside the normal
size of the case. Don't think the case has been on the computer in years..
Then I looked at the back of the desk, and I'm not even going to attempt to
sort through that for a while.. ;-)
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 1d 0h 15m 44s 187ms (en).
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From: Peter Knapper 04-Sep-99 10:06:01
To: Roy J. Tellason 03-Sep-99 23:17:10
Subj: SIO
Hi Roy,
SM> Just curious... more stable than what?
KS> More stable than Sio. With Sio I had regular 45333 connect with
KS> Internet, seldom 48000 or 49333. With Quatech drivers I do have
KS> regular 48000 connect, and seldom 45.333 or 49333.
PK> I am curious. Can you please explain how a communications
PK> driver that handles the V.24 H/W interface for the Operating
PK> System, can possibly affect the Analog interface of a Modem?
PK> Its news to me that the serial port is in any way involved in
PK> the Analogue line negotiations that the modem makes with its
PK> Analog connection point...
RJT> It would seem to me that a port driver that's better
RJT> written and able to deal with actually moving more
RJT> data through a port would also support higher connect rates...
Once the ATD command is given from a PC to a modem to DIAL a call or ATA to
ANSWER an incoming call (unless the modem is in autoanswer), then in all cases
i have found (in 20+ years of working with Dial-up modems) the only thing you
can do to the modem via the Serial interface (the V.24 connector or directly
to the UART in the case of an internal modem) is to cancel the current AT
COMMAND in progress, and some modems do not even support this.
I have yet to see a modem that allows commands via the V.24 interface to
participate interactively in the modem Analog negotiation process. This would
require (I expect) the Serial port driver (EG: SIO or the standard IBM serial
driver) to contain code that knows about the processor used in EVERY modem
chipset manufactured in the world, AND exactly what support components are
required to get that chipset to work in all situations in the world.
Besides, Modem firmware upgrades are all that are required to add V90 support
to V34 modems, and to change modems from V34 to V34+, no Serial driver changes
are (usually) required.
Sorry Roy, to me there is no way a Serial port driver can affect the modem
Analog protocol negotiation process and connection speeds indicated in the
original post, it just does not compute! Besides, if you connect a DUMB
terminal to a modem and issue the ATD command I would expect the modem to
still be able to dial and connect EXACTLY the same as a PC does, and there is
certainly no "3rd party" code helping the modem there......;-)
I WOULD expect the traffic of data THROUGH a connected Serial link that used
UARTS to be able to be enhanced by good code in the Serial port driver, and
extra Serial capability functions could also be provided (essentially what SIO
does), but I just can't see how it could affect the actual Analog negotiation
process that determines the connection speed of the modem, other than by
sending specific AT commands (which can be sent via ANY serial port driver)
that FORCES the modem to attempt to negotiate a specific connection speed, and
even that is under USER control, not the Serial driver.
Regards...........pk.
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