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From: [e-mail]                                    17-Dec-99 15:09:07
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <[e-mail]>

"J. R. Fox" wrote:
>
> (What a shame that
> Tyson's update to "Warp 3 Unleashed" never saw the light of day !)  You

Ahh, yes . . . I was weaned on Herb Tyson's "Your OS/2
2.1 Consultant."  A refreshingly intelligent OS manual.

--
 ===>  [e-mail]

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InfoBaHn on:  Rockwell, Netscape, InJOY, and OS/2
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From: [e-mail]                               17-Dec-99 09:41:04
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail]

Jim Danvers <[e-mail]> said:

>Any recommendations for a good read on using / tweaking / optimizing Warp
>v.4?   Avail @Barnes and Noble or Borders Bookstores?  Something
>relatively recent and aware of the latest "poop" on the subject.

There isn't a latest one.  The chain store buyers have decided we don't
want one.

You can get "Getting to Know OS2 Warp 4"   ISBN 0-13-842147-1

Or dig into the IBM Redbooks: www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks



>Thanks...

>-=- J.D. -=-


_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                               17-Dec-99 09:36:09
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Rumour : 64-bit OS/2 ????

From: [e-mail]

"Luc Van Bogaert" <[e-mail]> said:

>What's this about an IBM operating system for Merced? This is a joke
>right?

>http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL1299H/vnewsfe.htm

Doesn't it say "farce" somewhere at the end.


_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 00:14:00
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Rumour : 64-bit OS/2 ????

From: [e-mail] (e-frog)

Brad Benson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'd be shocked.  It would strike me as going completely against IBM's
: current low-end e-business focus (WinNT/Linux and Java) and would
: probably fall victim to pressure from AS/400 and RS/6000 folks.

: Besides, why would IBM want to create yet-another 64-bit OS?  I mean,
: they've had 64-bit OS/400 for years, they have access to MS' 64-bit
: efforts, they have access to linux-on-Merced, etc.  Perhaps they feel
: like they didn't waste enough money on OS/2 PPC, so they'll make up
: for it with this :-).

IBM would do it just because they can. (And I think that's great!)
Just take a look here:
http://www.research.ibm.com/K42/

It might appear to be the spiritual successor to OS/2 PPC.
From what I can glean, it's microkernel, object oriented, for multi-CPU
servers...runs on x86 and PPC...hmmmm...


I think IBM have to do their own 64-bit OS. (Yes, they have AIX and
working on Monterey). I have doubts that 64-bit Windows will be ready
in time for IBM, and as for Linux, judging by previous Linux-SMP results,
IBM still has the knowledge to go one-up on the open-source guys. (I mean,
they're still trying to tweak dual-CPU and maybe 4-CPU just to get
decent performance while Warp Server is tweaked for 8-CPU and goes up to
64-CPU!)



Isaac

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From: larso@commodore.                                  18-Dec-99 02:12:09
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw [e-mail] write:
> In can.politics Lars P Ormberg <larso@commodore.> wrote:
> > As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw [e-mail] write:

> > Hey Untruth, this "bargain" of yours is the kind of thing that many of
your
> > colleagues take people to court over operating.
>
> Large group plans tend to be the most effecient in this type of
> insurance.

This isn't a 'large group plan', it's a Ponzi Scheme.

> > It's called a Ponzi scheme, named after a rather innovative Boston
> > mail-stamps vendor in the 19th century.  It's called a scheme only by the
> > very polite: in reality is a sham...yet when your holy government does it,
> > you call it a 'bargain'?
>
> Its certainly a pension plan based on a pay as you go basis.

As such, it is not a 'group plan', nor can it ever be stable.

>                                                              No one ever
> denied that.  It works because all working people in Canada are part of
> the Plan, and will continue to be.

It will fail because there aren't constantly more people coming in...that's
how the scheme breaks down.


--
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:[e-mail]
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: [e-mail]                                18-Dec-99 02:06:19
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail] (Chris Wenham)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:23:10, "Andreas Linde" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> the russian version has some problems, and also isn't available in the
newest
> release, as far as I know.

 What are those problems? The version I found was 1.3.9.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - [e-mail]
The views expressed are mine.

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From: [e-mail]                            17-Dec-99 17:59:05
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Error Codes

From: Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Jim Backus wrote:

> > Since the manuals that I have don't seem to list all of the error codes
> > that I can receive. ;) Where is a good spot to pickup a comprehensive
> > list of the error codes? If I hadn't been able to work around the last

> IIRC you can get help on any numeric error code by typing:
>
> HELP SYS<nnnn>
> where nnnn is the 4 digit numeric error code.  I believe that all the
> codes are documented in one of the Redbooks.

This isn't going to work if the system has halted is it? I wouldn't think
so. That's why I'm looking for some place where I can get a Text file/list
of the SYS errors that can be recieved I can at least put something like
that on a recovery disk and read it.

--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?

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From: [e-mail]                               17-Dec-99 21:14:04
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: ftp.os2.org Down?

From: Wilson Rook <[e-mail]>

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I connected OK.  There were 5 of 80 users connected.

Wilson Rook

James Stotz wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is ftp.os2.org down, or is it just me that can't connect to it?   The
> "Daily Builds" link on the Netlabs/odin site won't let me connect.  I
> assume others can though.  Anybody else with problems?
>
> James
> Physics/SFU

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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 03:57:28
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail]

In article
<[e-mail].n
et>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:43:21, "Andreas Linde"
<[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > that's completely wrong. I don't know what
you did, but mysql, php and
> > apache are running VERY fine out of the box
with apache 1.3.9
> > at Netlabs.org and OS2.org !!!
> > the version from
http://silk.apana.org.au/apache/ is the best I
know of.
> > and the most actual version too
>
>  That URL is unreachable. Is there a mirror?

Sorry, but I had no power for most of the day
after high winds took out my power line.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [e-mail]                               18-Dec-99 17:57:25
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

Hi again,

I'm still on my mission to find a fix for the random mouse jumping and
clicking that I get under Warp 4 (FP 8). I would appreciate any
suggestions or comments.

I've since found someone (Richard Knapp) who said he knew many users who
had the same problem. However it definitely does seem that some systems
get it and some don't. Anyone else had here had it? Richard said that
those users who had it said it was still around with FP12...

This is a very obvious problem; while moving the mouse, every so often
it will jump halfway across the screen in a random direction, and
occasionally click one of the mouse buttons.

With an old Acer mouse this happens a few times in a minute. With a new
MS Intellimouse Explorer it happens almost constantly (every few
seconds) and there is usually more than one click (this makes the system
unuseable).

Both of these are plugged into a PS/2 port on an Asus P2B motherboard.
Both mice work *perfectly* under Windows 95 and NT.

One person suggested faulty hardware. I find it hard to believe that two
widely differing mice would have the same fault. But I could believe it
is some interaction amongst hardware; perhaps random interrupts from
some conflicting source. Does anything else ever use the PS/2 serial
IRQ? (12?) At one point I thought it might happen more during hard disk
(IDE) access, but it seems to happen even when nothing else is going on.

I only have one ISA card in the system, a modem set as COM3.

I also wondered if the OS/2 mouse driver occasionally misses data
packets or something; maybe this would become more pronounced at higher
port speeds; I guess that the new Explorer mouse uses a faster rate than
the older Acer one.

I guess I could go and find lots of different mice and see if they all
do it. Surely my co-workers don't actually need their mice :-)

In a hopeful mood I downloaded the mouse driver source code from OS/2
DDK... but the 850K of mostly assembler source code proved a little bit
confusing... :P

Richard Knapp mentioned that his Kensington mouse worked really well
with OS/2. Anybody else had experience with those mice?

Speculation? Guesses? Random incoherent babbling? All welcome!

TIA
Aaron

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 03:14:24
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: David H. McCoy <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>> :>
>> OS/2 has the hooks for C-2 level security built into the OS and there are
>> several addons that take advantage of this.  OS/2 can be made secure with
>> little effort as it does not have the holes that Windows does.
>
>I wasn't aware of this.  That does help a whole lot.  I really wish they'd
put
>the security in the box, though, I'm really not keen on layered technologies.

>Usually there are gaps in the layers.
>

The problem is that few companies, in fact only ONE that I knew of stepped up
in 1996 to create a secure OS/2 program.

Now, how many are available today?

--
---------------------------------------
David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: [e-mail]                           18-Dec-99 04:11:15
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:14:48, David H. McCoy <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >> :>
> >> OS/2 has the hooks for C-2 level security built into the OS and there are
> >> several addons that take advantage of this.  OS/2 can be made secure with
> >> little effort as it does not have the holes that Windows does.
> >
> >I wasn't aware of this.  That does help a whole lot.  I really wish they'd
put
> >the security in the box, though, I'm really not keen on layered
technologies.
> >Usually there are gaps in the layers.
> >
>
> The problem is that few companies, in fact only ONE that I knew of stepped
up
> in 1996 to create a secure OS/2 program.
>
> Now, how many are available today?
>

Three

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 04:14:28
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:28
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: David H. McCoy <[e-mail]>

In article <qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-xdIzk37fEdsQ@tcpserver>, [e-mail]
says...
>On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:14:48, David H. McCoy <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>> >> :>
>> >> OS/2 has the hooks for C-2 level security built into the OS and there
are
>> >> several addons that take advantage of this.  OS/2 can be made secure
with
>> >> little effort as it does not have the holes that Windows does.
>> >
>> >I wasn't aware of this.  That does help a whole lot.  I really wish they'd
put
>> >the security in the box, though, I'm really not keen on layered
technologies.
>> >Usually there are gaps in the layers.
>> >
>>
>> The problem is that few companies, in fact only ONE that I knew of stepped
up
>> in 1996 to create a secure OS/2 program.
>>
>> Now, how many are available today?
>>
>
>Three
>
>--
>
>Lorne Sunley
>

Not a lot. Names?

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David H. McCoy
dmccoy@EXTRACT_THIS_mnsinc.com
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From: [e-mail]                            17-Dec-99 21:00:16
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:29
Subj: mmplugs.dll seems broken

From: Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]>

Netscape crashes on pages trying to load MIDI files. At least this is my
impression. The crash seems attributable to mmplugs.dll. I'd like to try
reloading just this dll, but...can't seem to locate it on my Warp v3
Connect CD. It also might be on the recent WarpUp CD that I got. Anyway,
It's late, and I'm getting tired of looking. Anyone got a hint where to
look for this darn thing? Am I going to have to reinstall a bunch just to
get this one file, or can I just find the one .dll and try copying that to
the \mmos2\dll\ directory.

Thanks for listening.

--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?

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From: [e-mail]                           18-Dec-99 05:57:06
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:29
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 04:57:51, Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> I'm still on my mission to find a fix for the random mouse jumping and
> clicking that I get under Warp 4 (FP 8). I would appreciate any
> suggestions or comments.
>
> I've since found someone (Richard Knapp) who said he knew many users who
> had the same problem. However it definitely does seem that some systems
> get it and some don't. Anyone else had here had it? Richard said that
> those users who had it said it was still around with FP12...
>
> This is a very obvious problem; while moving the mouse, every so often
> it will jump halfway across the screen in a random direction, and
> occasionally click one of the mouse buttons.
>
> With an old Acer mouse this happens a few times in a minute. With a new
> MS Intellimouse Explorer it happens almost constantly (every few
> seconds) and there is usually more than one click (this makes the system
> unuseable).
>
> Both of these are plugged into a PS/2 port on an Asus P2B motherboard.
> Both mice work *perfectly* under Windows 95 and NT.
>
> One person suggested faulty hardware. I find it hard to believe that two
> widely differing mice would have the same fault. But I could believe it
> is some interaction amongst hardware; perhaps random interrupts from
> some conflicting source. Does anything else ever use the PS/2 serial
> IRQ? (12?) At one point I thought it might happen more during hard disk
> (IDE) access, but it seems to happen even when nothing else is going on.
>
> I only have one ISA card in the system, a modem set as COM3.
>
> I also wondered if the OS/2 mouse driver occasionally misses data
> packets or something; maybe this would become more pronounced at higher
> port speeds; I guess that the new Explorer mouse uses a faster rate than
> the older Acer one.
>
> I guess I could go and find lots of different mice and see if they all
> do it. Surely my co-workers don't actually need their mice :-)
>
> In a hopeful mood I downloaded the mouse driver source code from OS/2
> DDK... but the 850K of mostly assembler source code proved a little bit
> confusing... :P
>
> Richard Knapp mentioned that his Kensington mouse worked really well
> with OS/2. Anybody else had experience with those mice?
>
> Speculation? Guesses? Random incoherent babbling? All welcome!
>

I saw this kind of problem once on a system (Warp 4 FP 5 or 6 I think)
that had a driver for a Logitech mouse installed and the person
switched it for a "Microsoft OEM mouse (one of the bent ones).
I changed the driver back to the default pointdd.sys and mouse.sys
and the problem went away.

One of my systems has a generic Logitech PS/2 mouse and
it has worked with no problems. I carry one around with me
to client sites in case one of their mice has a problem and
I just change th mouse.

I have one of the Kensington Orbit trackballs that emulates
a standard PS/2 mouse and it has worked flawlesly (except
when I dribble cookie crumbs into it). I just use the standard
mouse driver.

I've seen problems with mice on systems with high CPU
usage (usually DIVE applications at a high frame rate)
where the mouse pointer jumps and jiggles around but
I've never seen a "click of death occur".

Have you tried the various RMVIEW options to see if
there is some other device using the same IRQ
/D /DC /IRQ (those are the options I think). Check the
system boot screen where the BIOS displays the
IRQ's assigned to the PCI devices and see if
"Plug and Prey" has assigned something to IRQ 12.
There are any number of ISA SCSI cards that default
to IRQ 12.

Do the mice do this when they are plugged into
a different machine? Maybe the little connecter
cable for the PS/2 port is broken? You might
have a bent or broken pin in there. This is
unlikely if the system is dual booting to Win95
and/or WinNT on the same hardware....

You could just "trade" mice with a co-worker
and see if they have the same problem, and
if they do, get them to fix the problem :-)

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                           18-Dec-99 06:02:17
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 04:52:29
Subj: Re: mmplugs.dll seems broken

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:00:33, Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> Netscape crashes on pages trying to load MIDI files. At least this is my
> impression. The crash seems attributable to mmplugs.dll. I'd like to try
> reloading just this dll, but...can't seem to locate it on my Warp v3
> Connect CD. It also might be on the recent WarpUp CD that I got. Anyway,
> It's late, and I'm getting tired of looking. Anyone got a hint where to
> look for this darn thing? Am I going to have to reinstall a bunch just to
> get this one file, or can I just find the one .dll and try copying that to
> the \mmos2\dll\ directory.
>
> Thanks for listening.

I think this one comes from the Netscape Plugins Pack
package that is distributed for use with Netscape.

What version of the plugin pack to you have? There is
a newer version for Netscape 4.61 than there was for
Netscape 4.04.

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                             18-Dec-99 08:05:21
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 05:20:09
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail]

Hey! can anybody answer my questions???

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:08:04, [e-mail] wrote:

> Does MySQL have a client for OS/2 or an ODBC driver I can use to
> access the Mysql server running on a linux box?
> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46, [e-mail] (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
> > do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
> > a Unix platform.
> >
> > Pierre
> > --
> > Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers
www.mp3.com/pawnshop
> >                                | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
> > The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records http://www.web-ho.com
> >    http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail]                                18-Dec-99 01:51:21
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 05:20:09
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 - again

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:02:29, [e-mail] wrote:

> Note - I'm running win-os/2 under Warp 4, and things were working fine
> until I had to make my Quicken Y2K ready with Revision 4.  I have SET
> ETC=C:\MPTN\ETC in config.sys, and SET ETC =F:\TCPIP\DOS\ETC in
> autoexec.bat.

I've had better luck with AOL, PointCast, and TurboTax when I set  ETC
to C: \MPTN\ETC in both config.sys and autoexec.bat.  The DOSBOX.EXE
fixes also helped a lot, as did a quick scan to get rid of all the
WINSOCK.DLL copies except for the one in \tcpip\dos\bin.  Darned WIN
programs all seem to think they need their own copy of winsock.dll!

Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                           18-Dec-99 12:35:12
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 10:01:24
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Ivan Adzhubei" <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/18/99
   at 08:05 AM, [e-mail] said:

Usually, if you did not get the answer posted here this means - RTFM.

Cheers,
Ivan

P.S. Go to www.mysql.com


>Hey! can anybody answer my questions???

>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:08:04, [e-mail] wrote:

>> Does MySQL have a client for OS/2 or an ODBC driver I can use to
>> access the Mysql server running on a linux box?
>> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46, [e-mail] (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
>> > do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
>> > a Unix platform.
>> >
>> > Pierre
>> > --
>> > Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers
www.mp3.com/pawnshop
>> >                                | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
>> > The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records
http://www.web-ho.com
>> >    http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson
>>
>>
>>


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From: [e-mail]                                 18-Dec-99 03:59:16
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 10:01:24
Subj: Re: Embellish Install Workaround

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail] (Per Backman)
spake unto us, saying:

>If this is the file, that Dadaware has been distributing as Shareware
>(or how was it distributed??), I can very well understand, that business
>has not been brilliant.

The shareware version installed fine at one point -- I evaluated the
v2.0 version of Embellish a couple of years ago.

People who paid for it got a nice purple CD-ROM in the mail.  :-)

--
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  [e-mail]  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
            Docs?  Why look at Docs?  Nurses are better!  :-)

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From: [e-mail]                               18-Dec-99 23:09:05
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 10:01:25
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

Hiya Lorne,
Thanks for the ideas, and BTW thanks for being so active around OS/2
newsgroups!

> I changed the driver back to the default pointdd.sys and mouse.sys

Where does pointdd.sys come into it? I understand that mouse.sys does the
basic port handling and communication with the mouse...

> One of my systems has a generic Logitech PS/2 mouse and
> it has worked with no problems.

I'll see if I can find a Logitech mouse... and some others!

> I have one of the Kensington Orbit trackballs that emulates
> a standard PS/2 mouse and it has worked flawlesly (except
> when I dribble cookie crumbs into it).

:-)

> I just use the standard
> mouse driver.

It's a funny thing. I was looking at the code for the mouse driver and tho I
can't see where to start in testing it, it's interesting to see how many odd
specific things there are in there. Various little tricks to handle different
breeds of mouse, slightly different data formats, third button handling,
different port speeds. Very impressive actually... it's a whole little world
of it's own!

> I've seen problems with mice on systems with high CPU
> usage (usually DIVE applications at a high frame rate)
> where the mouse pointer jumps and jiggles around but
> I've never seen a "click of death occur".

Ah but that is interesting. Why should *anything* affect the pointer? Except
for a program specifcally setting the location...

> Have you tried the various RMVIEW options to see if

I have now. Nothing wrong around 12, but there does seem to be something odd
about IRQ 3:

rmview /d /d /irq
RMVIEW: Current Boot Detected view
  IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    IBM Keyboard Controller
  IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = D     Flg = SHARED       PCI Device 0M-03-00
  IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = A     Flg = SHARED       PCI Device 04-01-00
  IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  Serial Device
  IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IBM Floppy Controller
  IRQ Level = 10  PCI Pin = A     Flg = SHARED       PCI Device 02-00-00
  IRQ Level = 11  PCI Pin = A     Flg = SHARED       PCI Device 03-00-00
  IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = SHARED       AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary
Devic
 Controller
  IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  ST506 HardDisk
  IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  ST506 HardDisk

Using just rmview /irq shows that IRQ 3 has been assigned to my Aureal Vortex
1 PCI sound card (which incidentally isn't working properly either ... as we
were discussing in c.o.o.multimedia :-) so that's something to look at.) But I
don't really understand the difference between these two views...

rmview /irq
  IRQ Level =  0  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    TIMER_CH_0
  IRQ Level =  1  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    KBD_0 Keyboard Controller

  IRQ Level =  2  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    PIC_1
  IRQ Level =  3  PCI Pin = C     Flg = EXCLUSIVE    Aureal Vortex AU8820
  IRQ Level =  4  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  SERIAL_2 Serial
Controller
  IRQ Level =  6  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  FLOPPY_0 Floppy
Controller
  IRQ Level =  8  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    RTC
  IRQ Level = 12  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = EXCLUSIVE    AUX_0 PS/2 Auxiliary
Device
 Controller
  IRQ Level = 14  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_0 ST506/IDE
Controller
  IRQ Level = 15  PCI Pin = NONE  Flg = MULTIPLEXED  IDE_1 ST506/IDE
Controller

I'll check the BIOS PCI assignments shortly but it's probably OK...

> There are any number of ISA SCSI cards that default
> to IRQ 12.

My previous sound card was an SB16 with SCSI... and I see I still have the
driver in config.sys... aha152x.add by the looks. I'll rem out that and
os2scsi.dmd and see...

> Do the mice do this when they are plugged into
> a different machine? Maybe the little connecter
> cable for the PS/2 port is broken? You might
> have a bent or broken pin in there. This is
> unlikely if the system is dual booting to Win95
> and/or WinNT on the same hardware....

It is. Worth a try though.

> You could just "trade" mice with a co-worker
> and see if they have the same problem, and
> if they do, get them to fix the problem :-)

I like that suggestion best of all!

Cheers

Aaron

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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 01:02:16
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 10:01:25
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

Aaron Lawrence wrote:

> I'll check the BIOS PCI assignments shortly but it's probably OK...

Yes, there is no other assignment of IRQ 12.
Didn't make any difference removing the scsi driver (which I guess probably
wasn't
loading anyway, so wouldn't make any difference).

(I'll post about Vortex problems in .multimedia...)

Thx, I'll just have to try some other mice.

Aaron

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From: c.k.christacopoulos_removeme@dun...               18-Dec-99 18:04:22
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 16:45:19
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Charles Christacopoulos <[e-mail]>


Alan Beagley wrote:

> I just replaced a Logitech TrackMan with a TrackMan Wheel -- the wheel
> is supposed to enable one to scroll through pages without having to use
> the scroll bars.
>
> I doenloaded the new SCROLLMS.EXE driver set from the IBM device driver
> site and installed it, but the wheel does nothing when I turn it. When I
> press on the wheel, the cursor jumps down toward the lower left corner
> of the screen, but does nothing useful.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Alan

IBM has a mouse (rebranded Logitech) with the cat's tongue pointer (as in
Thinkpads) and and the driver you describe is for it.  It works as expected
(well kind of).  I don't know if the same driver would work with a real
Logitech mouse.

Regards
Charles

BTW.  I don't really use the mouse as it is too small for me.

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From: [e-mail]                               18-Dec-99 18:51:10
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 16:45:19
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff)

I dunno.  I have a trackman wheel and the wheel works fine with the
latest scrollms release.  It never worked in any previous release,
however.  The middle button doesn't work, however.

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:24:15, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I just replaced a Logitech TrackMan with a TrackMan Wheel -- the wheel
> is supposed to enable one to scroll through pages without having to use
> the scroll bars.
>
> I doenloaded the new SCROLLMS.EXE driver set from the IBM device driver
> site and installed it, but the wheel does nothing when I turn it. When I
> press on the wheel, the cursor jumps down toward the lower left corner
> of the screen, but does nothing useful.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Alan


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From: [e-mail]                     18-Dec-99 11:49:05
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 16:45:19
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:57:51 +1300, Aaron Lawrence wrote:

->I'm still on my mission to find a fix for the random mouse jumping and
->clicking that I get under Warp 4 (FP 8). I would appreciate any
->suggestions or comments.

HELP DEVICE, scroll down to MOUSE.SYS and double click it then double
click the RELAXED keyword and you'll see:

                        DEVICE Command:  RELAXED Parameter

 Can be used with any three-button mouse if the mouse pointer is jumping
randomly
 about the screen.  Do not use this parameter unless you are experiencing
this problem.


Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
([e-mail] or [e-mail])



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From: [e-mail]                               18-Dec-99 09:43:12
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: Jim Frost <[e-mail]>

Matt Hickman wrote:
> >Anyone remember GEM from Digital Research?  It would run (walk?) on an
> >XT.
>
> Was TopView a GUI front end or was text based?

Text.  That was one of the worst of the post-DOS systems.

jim

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From: [e-mail]                               18-Dec-99 09:59:04
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <[e-mail]>

Kim Cheung wrote:
> >Clusters didn't scale well; beyond a few tens of systems you'd
> >crush a server,
>
> Not true with the OS/2 RPL.    I believe the largest implementation is in
the
> 4 digit numbers.

I guess I'd have to see it to believe it.

I will say, however, that this thread has been very educational.  I hadn't
known OS/2 had diskless capability.  Knowing that I can see why you'd be
willing to make that challenge -- it's a no-lose situation.

> >and single ethernet segments tended to collapse at about 15
> >workstations.
>
> Token ring would be the best - of course - let's not get into that.   With
> the cost of ethernet switches these days, that's hardly an issue anymore.

Token ring has its own problems.

> >By the late 80s your typical workstation cluster was dataless; a local
drive
> >held the OS and applications and swap and you worked with data that was
> >centrally stored.  That was a huge, huge win in both performance and
> >scalability, but if your applications were data-hungry you still
bottlenecked
> >on the network.
>
> A properly designed and implemented diskless network would not have such a
> problem.

It must have the problem; the data has to come from somewhere.

> Mind you that when we say "diskless" - we are referring to the
> term in a "virtual" sense - not a physical sense.    You can still have
local
> hard drive - to reduce network bandwidth loading - but it's a  "virtual"
> drive.   What you try to do is to cut the "dependency" - not the physical
> media.

If you have a drive you're not diskless.  It makes a difference because the
disk is one of the few components that is likely to fail at least once in the
lifetime of a typical machine.  Now, I completely agree that you can utilize
the disk as a local cache for huge wins, but it's not diskless anymore.

> >Worst of all, both of these designs made the network and server systems
single
> >points of failure.  Lose a server and you lose a whole cluster of
> >workstations.  (But then you can go play ping-pong, so it wasn't a total
loss
> >from a workstation users's point of view.)
>
> I don't know who started this non-sense.    In reliability engineering, what
> you want to do is to HAVE a single point of failure whereby you can
> strengthen up that single point of failure to any degree of reliability.
> Server farm is one stupid idea.    There is good reason why lots of
> enterprise are starting junking their server farms and gone back to
> main-frames.

You are severely mistaken.  What you want are redundant systems that have
automatic failover.  Hardware -- even the best hardware available -- will
fail.  (Just ask eBay about that.)  When it does you better have a fallback
system or you're out of business for the duration.

> >Now, the PC world tried this kind of arrangement right around 1988 or 1989
and
> >rapidly abandoned it.  I presumed they had the same scalability problems.
>
> Time has changed.    (a) Technology caught up with things (b) whether you do
> this or not, most operations depend on the network being up ANYWAY for them
> to function.   So what's the difference?    I know of one case where they
> distribute, replicate, and maintain a 1G database in 500 stations - in the
> name of saving network bandwidth.

The technology still has scalability problems and it still fails on occasion.
Using local data replication you certainly can still keep working with a lot
of applications even in the event of a total network failure (I did just last
week when an access point failed, for instance).

Whether or not replicating that 1G database makes sense would depend a lot on
the application.  Certainly the hardware costs are not especially high.

> Network engineering is pretty mature.    You just have to do the job right.

Tell that to the Chicago Options Exchange -- a network failure shut them down
completely.  Or AT&T; a lost network took out Wall Street a couple of years
back.  These aren't cheesy networks put together by amateurs, they're major
networks with redundancy designed and maintained by the people who have been
doing it forever and who keep your phones running virtually non-stop.  And
still they fail on occasion.

In any case I want to thank you for a valuable discussion.  You've corrected a
number of misconceptions I had about OS/2.  'Course it's still pretty much
moot given the state of the market, but that doesn't mean it's not a nice
product :-).

jim

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               18-Dec-99 15:25:12
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Christian Hennecke <[e-mail]>

Aaron Lawrence schrieb:
> This is a very obvious problem; while moving the mouse, every so often
> it will jump halfway across the screen in a random direction, and
> occasionally click one of the mouse buttons.
> Speculation? Guesses? Random incoherent babbling? All welcome!
>
> TIA
> Aaron

Do you have WatchCat installed with activation via keyboard? A jumping
mouse is a known problem with PS/2 mice under this condition. You'd
better use a hardware switch (and it's more reliable, too).

Christian Hennecke
--
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 15:24:07
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

I just replaced a Logitech TrackMan with a TrackMan Wheel -- the wheel
is supposed to enable one to scroll through pages without having to use
the scroll bars.

I doenloaded the new SCROLLMS.EXE driver set from the IBM device driver
site and installed it, but the wheel does nothing when I turn it. When I
press on the wheel, the cursor jumps down toward the lower left corner
of the screen, but does nothing useful.

Any ideas?

Alan

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From: [e-mail]                18-Dec-99 09:20:26
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:

>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>wrote:

>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>postings about this or
>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to code
>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead

I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this last
one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of Forethought
IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly IBM
decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame it
on the parallel port manufacturers.

The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".

Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer provides
_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp "development"
team heading their way.

FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the history
of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with all
of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for it.

To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU site
anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
the effort of killing off the product.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                18-Dec-99 09:44:25
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Warp v4 installed & FP9 installed - now what?

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on
12/17/99
   at 11:00 PM, [e-mail] (Annie K.) said:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:10:21, Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>
>wrote:

>:I see a lot of chatter in these groups regarding the current
>:version of the IP stack, and other various peices that make up the OS -
>:how do I tell what revision of components I have running on this box
>:now?

> syslevel.exe will give you the version/revision of every installed
>component. inetver.exe will give you just the tcp/ip stack version.


Do yourself a HUGE favor and backout FP9.  Put FP8 on and NEVER UNDER ANY
CONDITIONS CONSIDER APPLYING ANOTHER FP FROM IBM.  All FP releases after
that point have been a deliberate attempt to remove the product entirely
from the marketplace.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                18-Dec-99 09:47:10
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/18/99
   at 03:24 PM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:

>I just replaced a Logitech TrackMan with a TrackMan Wheel -- the wheel is
>supposed to enable one to scroll through pages without having to use the
>scroll bars.

>I doenloaded the new SCROLLMS.EXE driver set from the IBM device driver
>site and installed it, but the wheel does nothing when I turn it. When I
>press on the wheel, the cursor jumps down toward the lower left corner of
>the screen, but does nothing useful.

>Any ideas?

>Alan

I have only seen this work within the latest version of Netscape.  Like
when you browse newsgroups.  You can scroll one window while the mouse is
in another.  Other than that, it is useless.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 15:47:01
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Fixpack 42

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Bob, it isn't sour grapes. There is a real danger that a future FP will
have a file that will only work under Warp Server. So far, this hasn't
happened. We do make a restricted FP for Warp 3 base and Connect users,
but they must be under service to get it. Once you alter your SYSLEVEL,
there is no way to determine NOT to load the FP files as if it were a
Warp Server machine. I'm not saying it WILL happen in the future, but it
could, and Warp Server is under support for a relatively long time now.

Irv

Bob Grimes wrote:
>
> Alex Taylor wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:28:59 -0600, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> > > Tinkering with the method that the FixTool determines what level your
> > > machine is at, and therefore what gets laid down may cause problems in
> > > the future. If you understand what is in a FP, and look closely at it,
> > > you will see directories. Those directories contain files specific for
> > > versions of OS/2. The OS2.1 contains all the 'common' files, and then
> > > specific individial files are put into the other directories. Depending
> > > on what is contained, you might have an unbootable system.
> > >
> > > IBM will not support a 'transformed' system that doesn't have the
> > > correct SYSLEVEL file in it.
> > >
> > > There is also no guarantee that what works today will work on the next
> > > FP. You are on your own, and you could experience problems that might
> > > require a re-install.
> >
> > Well, I did say it wasn't supported.  :)
> >
> > I should also have said (and will add to this now) that I have not
> > tried this REXX script myself.
> >
> > I _did_ try making the requisite change to my SYSLEVEL file, with the
> > idea that I might want to try installing "new" fixpaks later.  However,
> > once I did this, FixPak 40 wouldn't install, except the MMOS2 portion.
> > (It said, no products to service.)
> >
> > So I backed out the SYSLEVEL change and am now relatively happy on FP 40.
> >
> > Other people have reported that this works, though, so I thought I'd
> > mention it to the original poster...
> >
> > (Incidentally, don't FP 41 and 42 introduce a couple of minor Y2K fixes?)
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >  Alex Taylor                  BA - CIS - University of Guelph
> >  [e-mail]   http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> I have installed the b.cmd on three machines, and old PS/ValuePoint, no
> problem, an AMD K2/333, no problem, and an old notebook, no problem.
> Mr. Spalten's comments sound like sour grapes that someone has thwarted
> IBM in their desire to abandon all the users of Warp 3, unless we want
> to pay for the support.  I, for one, am glad that there are individuals
> who continue to support Warp 3 and can code the updates for it.

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 15:50:25
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: Warp 4 fixpack installation...

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Yeah, essentially, but there have been cases where this isn't true too.
Sometimes special testing for NLV versions uncover base problems, and we
fix them before release. We also occasionally will let a specific
requesting customer test the FP before release and fix what they find.
Generally, for service related reasons, we ship the NLV's at the US
level of code. Easier to maintain.

Irv

Wayne Bickell wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:40:20 -0600, Irv Spalten wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> :>small inconvienence, but for other languages, it could be a significant
> :>change. You can alway use the US FP until the NLV is available, and then
> :>backout the US and apply the NLV. We do NOT change content (even if
> :>problems are found in the US FP) when we release an NLV FP, it is the
> :>same, except for the MRI and codepages,
>
> <snip>
>
> So we DO inherit all the bugs from the US version :-(
>
> Cheers
>
> Wayne
>
> ******************************************************
> Wayne Bickell
> Tokyo, Japan
> [e-mail]
> ******************************************************
>            Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
>   Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
> ******************************************************

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 08:17:27
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 19:57:07
Subj: Re: mmplugs.dll seems broken

From: Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:00:33, Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Netscape crashes on pages trying to load MIDI files. At least this is my
> > impression. The crash seems attributable to mmplugs.dll. I'd like to try
> I think this one comes from the Netscape Plugins Pack
> package that is distributed for use with Netscape.
>
> What version of the plugin pack to you have? There is
> a newer version for Netscape 4.61 than there was for
> Netscape 4.04.

Yes, it does come with the Plugin Pack. I finally found it. You can't just
copy the .dll though at least at this point in my OS/2 education I can't.
But..a reinstall of the Plugin Pack v3.0 brought midi files back to life
in Netscape. Both Netscape and the Plugin Pack came on the WarpUp CD.

--
Pat - La Grande,OR.  http://www.greencis.net/~ppridgen
LHS 69   http://school.oregonlive.com/school/lhs1969
Linux - OS/2 dual boot. Win what?

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From: [e-mail]                18-Dec-99 20:16:21
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail] (Jack Troughton)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:34:14, "Steven C. Britton"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

ΩJack Troughton wrote:
Ω>
Ω> You are REALLY uneducated aren't you?  Capitalism (more specifically,
Ω> venture capitalism) was invented in England in the seventeenth
Ω> century.
█
Ω<<SPLAT!!!>>
█
ΩDamn... gotta clean the orange juice off the monitor now..  hold on a sec...
█
ΩOkay... let me read that again...
█
Ω<SPLAT!!!>>
█
Ω(Cleans up orange juice again, wipes tears from eyes...)
█
ΩOkay... now that I've composed myself ...
█
ΩJack, are you in stand-up comedy?  You should really consider it as a
Ωcareer.  That was FUNNY!!!
█
ΩI guess Caesar had his head embossed on coins just because he liked seeing
Ωhis image mounted in bronze, silver, and gold, and I guess the ancient
ΩIsraelites in the time that the books of Moses were written didn't trade
Ωlivestock with each other, or pay dowries for women to take as wives...

Having a money system is not the same thing as having capitalism.  You
oversimplify things a great deal.

I imagine it's a necessity on your part.

ΩCapitalism was invented in the seventeenth century.... ya, okay.
█
ΩIn fact, capitalism is the NATURAL STATE OF BEING for people.  We trade
Ωgoods; whether it's money for a service (prostitution), or a cow for a horse
Ω(barter), or a gun for a cow (trade), it's all capitalism.

Spoken like a true ideologue.

Capitalism is a very specific type of economic system.  There are many
ways you can organize and economy, and capitalism is just one of them.
 Nothing particularly natural about it over any other system, or
unnatural either.

Trade/barter/commerce are not capitalism; has it occurred to you to
wonder why we have different names for these things?  Maybe, just
maybe, because they are different things.

Jack Troughton   ICQ:7494149
http://jakesplace.dhs.org
jack.troughton at videotron.ca
jake at jakesplace.dhs.org
Montr┌al PQ Canada

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From: [e-mail]                                   18-Dec-99 20:06:10
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Tim Smith)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:26:22 -0500, Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:
>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>> wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
>> ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...
...
>> linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).  And before you
>> start telling me that I don't know anything about linux, let me tell you
>> that I was trained at SCO, and was a systems engineer at AT&T.  I know a
>> little about *nix systems.
>
>I wouldn't say something like that unless you proved to me that you were
>confused.  Obviously you're not, although perhaps your knowledge of the
>interfaces is a little dated.

Actually, anyone who would pipe "ls -l" through "sort" is at least a little
bit confused, since "ls -l" is sorted by file name already.  Piping it through
sort will sort the output by the text representation of the modes.  It might
be useful in some circumstances, but it is certainly not the normal way you
look at directory listings 99.99% of the time.

--Tim Smith

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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 09:08:07
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail]

Try
http://www.mysql.com/Manual_chapter/manual_Licensing_and_Support.html


>Hey! can anybody answer my questions???

>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:08:04, [e-mail] wrote:

>> Does MySQL have a client for OS/2 or an ODBC driver I can use to
>> access the Mysql server running on a linux box?
>> On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:15:46, [e-mail] (Pierre Jelenc) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Is there an OS/2 MySQL server? I found some hints of MSQL, but that won't
>> > do as I need to develop a database that will eventually run on MySQL on
>> > a Unix platform.
>> >
>> > Pierre
>> > --
>> > Pierre Jelenc                  | www.mp3.com/cucumbers
www.mp3.com/pawnshop
>> >                                | www.cdbaby.com/buy/rawkinder.htm
>> > The New York City Beer Guide   | Home Office Records
http://www.web-ho.com
>> >    http://www.nycbeer.org      | www.mp3.com/jeniferjackson
>>
>>
>>




Judith Russell
[e-mail]
Saugus Web Coordinator
http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus



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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 19:30:07
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

From: [e-mail] (Maurice Batey)

On Sun, 17 Dec 1999 21:51:51, Karen wrote:

> > http://service.software.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/index.htm


Could find no sign of any reference to Java 1.1.8 there.

Anyone know where the download is available, please?

Maurice Batey
(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

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From: [e-mail]                                18-Dec-99 15:53:04
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Warp v4 installed & FP9 installed - now what?

From: [e-mail] (Oliver Rick)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 Jim Danvers wrote:

> Now..  I see a lot of chatter in these groups regarding the current
> version of the IP stack, and other various peices that make up the OS -
> how do I tell what revision of components I have running on this box
> now?

Run SYSLEVEL.EXE.

> I attempted to utilize the "Get Software Updates" program but that only
> led me to what appeared to be a dead page @IBM.

For a summary of updates for Warp, please take a look at my site.

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 20:29:26
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Aaron Lawrence wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
>  [ ... ]
>
> This is a very obvious problem; while moving the mouse, every so often
> it will jump halfway across the screen in a random direction, and
> occasionally click one of the mouse buttons.
> [ ... ]
>
  The only time I have seen anything like this is when the CPU is at
100% utilization or some device driver is hogging the system. For
instance, the NovaStor backup program's parallel device driver can
completely stop responsiveness for brief periods a side effect being the
mouse makes peculiar jumps about the screen. Never had random clicks
though.
  I've almost always used Logitech mice and have never been disappointed
in either their operation or reliability. Note that IBM mice are made by
Logitech. Although I have used an older MS mouse and had no problems
with it, either. The only other brand I ever tried was Dexxa which,
again, is a Logitech variant (cheap one); it worked, too.


--

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 20:36:20
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:12
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Alan Beagley wrote:
>
> I just replaced a Logitech TrackMan with a TrackMan Wheel -- the wheel
> is supposed to enable one to scroll through pages without having to use
> the scroll bars.
>
> I doenloaded the new SCROLLMS.EXE driver set from the IBM device driver
> site and installed it, but the wheel does nothing when I turn it. When I
> press on the wheel, the cursor jumps down toward the lower left corner
> of the screen, but does nothing useful.
>
  I personally found the mouse wheel a useless feature, as have others.
Aside from the personal bias I never had a problem getting the wheel to
work as advertised, even with the original driver.
  The driver is _only_ for ps/2 mice. Do you have one? Or is it plugged
into a COM port?
  As to the third button, could something be programmed for it? Normally
the only thing might happen is a change of focus to wherever it is
clicked.


--

sma at rtd dot com
Remove ".spam-not" for email

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From: [e-mail]                                18-Dec-99 21:29:08
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:13
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail] (Chris Wenham)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:05:42, [e-mail] wrote:

> Hey! can anybody answer my questions???

 There is a recent port of MySQL for OS/2 and it can be found at
hobbes.nmsu.edu.  You can talk to it with Rexx by using Mark
Hessling's RexxSQL library, or in HTML using the WWW-MySQL CGI program
that's also on Hobbes, or perhaps also with Perl and PHP. I haven't
tested the last two, but I have personally had success with RexxSQL
and WWW-MySQL.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - [e-mail]
The views expressed are mine.

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From: karen.l.mansbridge-wood@worldnet...               18-Dec-99 22:27:26
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:13
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: [e-mail]

In <YeX7JeKVbJN0-pn2-2MkDoERWbDIJ@localhost>, [e-mail] (Maurice
Batey) writes:
>On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:12:59, [e-mail]
>wrote:
>
>> http://service.software.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/index.htm
>>
>> and then because 1.1.8 is a tad unstable, go to:
>>
>> ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/software/java/fixes/os2/11/118/
>>
>> and download the latest fixes for it.
>
>Many thanks, Karen!
>
>If 1.1.8 is unstable, would you recommend 1.1.7 instead?!
>(Would going for 1.1.8 make all that difference?)
>
>Maurice Batey
>(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

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From: karen.l.mansbridge-wood@worldnet...               18-Dec-99 22:29:23
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:13
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: [e-mail]

>If 1.1.8 is unstable, would you recommend 1.1.7 instead?!
>(Would going for 1.1.8 make all that difference?)
>
>Maurice Batey
>(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

Actually, I would recommend 1.1.6 if you aren't going to take the time to
install the 1.1.8 fixes.  There are quite a few of them, but having used both
now, I think 1.1.8 is quite substantially faster than 1.1.6 was, just very
buggy, which may be why the fixes add up to something on the order of 12 megs
of rewriting.

Karen

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From: [e-mail]                                   18-Dec-99 23:31:18
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 20:28:13
Subj: StarBack for OS/2, Beta Release

From: "Peter Engels" <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I have just released the sixth beta version of StarBack for OS/2. This
is a Backup/Restore Utility to save/restore important directories of
Sun's/StarDivision's StarOffice 5.x. This utility should work with
versions 5.0, 5.1 and 5.1a. You can find it beside some other OS/2
freeware utilities at

http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs0ad

please let me know your experiences!

This OS/2 system uptime is 03 hours, 26 minutes and 46 seconds.
--
MfG / Regards

    Peter Engels


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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 19:39:28
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

On 18 Dec 1999 20:06:20 GMT, Tim Smith wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:26:22 -0500, Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>>> wife and son, neither of whom are real interested in learning that
>>> ls -l|sort|more is how you do a dir...
>...
>>> linux would go over real big...  (intense sarcasm).  And before you
>>> start telling me that I don't know anything about linux, let me tell you
>>> that I was trained at SCO, and was a systems engineer at AT&T.  I know a
>>> little about *nix systems.
>>
>>I wouldn't say something like that unless you proved to me that you were
>>confused.  Obviously you're not, although perhaps your knowledge of the
>>interfaces is a little dated.
>
>Actually, anyone who would pipe "ls -l" through "sort" is at least a little
>bit confused, since "ls -l" is sorted by file name already.  Piping it
through
>sort will sort the output by the text representation of the modes.  It might
>be useful in some circumstances, but it is certainly not the normal way you
>look at directory listings 99.99% of the time.
>
>--Tim Smith

Since when is ls-l defaulted to sort by name?  Last time I used it
(Linux version unknown), it wasn't.




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From: [e-mail]                          19-Dec-99 00:16:08
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: 2 Questions:  Video Driver & SendMail

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>(1)  I have both boxes running Warp V4 FP9.  I had to go into the TCPIP
>settings and configure the local hosts name lookup (when no real
>nameserver is available) so that I could ping the other machines in the
>house.  Upon exiting the IP cfg thing though, it always asks me
>something about having sendmail start automatically for use
>w/UltiMail...   I don't plan on using this mail package - how can I turn
>this send mail thing off other that CTRL+Esc'ing to bring it to the
>desktop and then CTRL+C'ing it??  I don't ~need~ to have that thing
>running do I?  9I don't believe so....)

No you don't.  When that box comes up you can answer no to stop it from
being started automatically.  If it's already being started you can
bring up your TCP/IP notebook and go to the "auto start" tab.  In
there you'll find sendmail and you can just uncheck it.  The next time
you save it answer no.

  The other thing you may wish to be aware of - the TCP/IP notebook
pulls in a bunch of different config files into one place.  Some of
those files are:

Network tab:
x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd

routing tab:
x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd

hostnames tab:
x:\config.sys
x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini
x:\tcpip\dos\etc\resolv
x:\mptn\etc\sendmail.cf
x:\mptn\etc\resolv
x:\mptn\etc\resolv2
x:\mptn\etc\hosts
x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts

autostart tab:
x:\tcpip\bin\tcpstart.cmd

General tab:
x:\config.sys

security tab:
x:\config.sys
x:\mptn\etc\trusers
x:\mptn\etc\rhosts
x:\mptn\etc\tftpauth
x:\tcpip\dos\etc\trusers
x:\tcpip\dos\etc\rhosts
x:\tcpip\dos\etc\tftpauth

servers tab:
x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini

socks tab:
x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini

printing tab:
x:\config.sys

mail & sendmail tab:
x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini

  Most of these are ASCII files that can be edited with E or EPM.
Manually editing some of these will also give you more options than are
available from the notebook (i.e. trusers).  You can also add options by
using some of the optional files like x:\tcpip\bin\B4TCP.CMD and
x:\tcpip\bin\tcpexit.CMD.
  These are only the files I'm aware of, you probably have to go to the
redbooks to find out where all of the files are and what they do.




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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 19:47:12
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: 2 Questions:  Video Driver & SendMail

From: Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>

(Speachless.)  Wow - awesome - thanks dude.

... I need more hours in a day, or I need a faster uplink to my brain so I can
soak
all of this stuff in faster!  <grin>

-=- J.D. -=-


[e-mail] wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>
writes:
> >
> >(1)  I have both boxes running Warp V4 FP9.  I had to go into the TCPIP
> >settings and configure the local hosts name lookup (when no real
> >nameserver is available) so that I could ping the other machines in the
> >house.  Upon exiting the IP cfg thing though, it always asks me
> >something about having sendmail start automatically for use
> >w/UltiMail...   I don't plan on using this mail package - how can I turn
> >this send mail thing off other that CTRL+Esc'ing to bring it to the
> >desktop and then CTRL+C'ing it??  I don't ~need~ to have that thing
> >running do I?  9I don't believe so....)
>
> No you don't.  When that box comes up you can answer no to stop it from
> being started automatically.  If it's already being started you can
> bring up your TCP/IP notebook and go to the "auto start" tab.  In
> there you'll find sendmail and you can just uncheck it.  The next time
> you save it answer no.
>
>   The other thing you may wish to be aware of - the TCP/IP notebook
> pulls in a bunch of different config files into one place.  Some of
> those files are:
>
> Network tab:
> x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd
>
> routing tab:
> x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd
>
> hostnames tab:
> x:\config.sys
> x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini
> x:\tcpip\dos\etc\resolv
> x:\mptn\etc\sendmail.cf
> x:\mptn\etc\resolv
> x:\mptn\etc\resolv2
> x:\mptn\etc\hosts
> x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts
>
> autostart tab:
> x:\tcpip\bin\tcpstart.cmd
>
> General tab:
> x:\config.sys
>
> security tab:
> x:\config.sys
> x:\mptn\etc\trusers
> x:\mptn\etc\rhosts
> x:\mptn\etc\tftpauth
> x:\tcpip\dos\etc\trusers
> x:\tcpip\dos\etc\rhosts
> x:\tcpip\dos\etc\tftpauth
>
> servers tab:
> x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini
>
> socks tab:
> x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini
>
> printing tab:
> x:\config.sys
>
> mail & sendmail tab:
> x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini
>
>   Most of these are ASCII files that can be edited with E or EPM.
> Manually editing some of these will also give you more options than are
> available from the notebook (i.e. trusers).  You can also add options by
> using some of the optional files like x:\tcpip\bin\B4TCP.CMD and
> x:\tcpip\bin\tcpexit.CMD.
>   These are only the files I'm aware of, you probably have to go to the
> redbooks to find out where all of the files are and what they do.

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From: [e-mail]                        19-Dec-99 00:48:09
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: 2 Questions:  Video Driver & SendMail

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <c1.2b5.2TJhp6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>
>>(1)  I have both boxes running Warp V4 FP9.  I had to go into the TCPIP
>>settings and configure the local hosts name lookup (when no real
>>nameserver is available) so that I could ping the other machines in the
>>house.  Upon exiting the IP cfg thing though, it always asks me
>>something about having sendmail start automatically for use
>>w/UltiMail...   I don't plan on using this mail package - how can I turn
>>this send mail thing off other that CTRL+Esc'ing to bring it to the
>>desktop and then CTRL+C'ing it??  I don't ~need~ to have that thing
>>running do I?  9I don't believe so....)
>
>No you don't.  When that box comes up you can answer no to stop it from
>being started automatically.  If it's already being started you can
>bring up your TCP/IP notebook and go to the "auto start" tab.  In
>there you'll find sendmail and you can just uncheck it.  The next time
>you save it answer no.
>
>  The other thing you may wish to be aware of - the TCP/IP notebook
>pulls in a bunch of different config files into one place.  Some of
>those files are:
>
>Network tab:
>x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd
>
>routing tab:
>x:\mptn\bin\setup.cmd
>
>hostnames tab:
>x:\config.sys

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>x:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This has nothing to do with TCP/IP.

>x:\tcpip\dos\etc\resolv
>x:\mptn\etc\sendmail.cf
>x:\mptn\etc\resolv
>x:\mptn\etc\resolv2
>x:\mptn\etc\hosts
>x:\tcpip\dos\etc\hosts

I have yet to discover why DOS is not set up to use the same %ETC%
as OS/2. I prefer using the same directory, and don't see why I can't.


>autostart tab:
>x:\tcpip\bin\tcpstart.cmd
>
>General tab:
>x:\config.sys
>
>security tab:
>x:\config.sys
>x:\mptn\etc\trusers
>x:\mptn\etc\rhosts
>x:\mptn\etc\tftpauth
>x:\tcpip\dos\etc\trusers
>x:\tcpip\dos\etc\rhosts
>x:\tcpip\dos\etc\tftpauth
>
>servers tab:
>x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini
>
>socks tab:
>x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini
>
>printing tab:
>x:\config.sys
>
>mail & sendmail tab:
>x:\mptn\etc\tcpos2.ini

Sendmail uses %ETC%\sendmail.cf

>  Most of these are ASCII files that can be edited with E or EPM.
>Manually editing some of these will also give you more options than are
>available from the notebook (i.e. trusers).  You can also add options by
>using some of the optional files like x:\tcpip\bin\B4TCP.CMD and
>x:\tcpip\bin\tcpexit.CMD.
>  These are only the files I'm aware of, you probably have to go to the
>redbooks to find out where all of the files are and what they do.
>
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail]                            18-Dec-99 19:52:06
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: Jim Danvers <[e-mail]>

Thanks for all of the responses everyone!

-=- J.D. -=-

Jim Danvers wrote:

> Any recommendations for a good read on using / tweaking / optimizing
> Warp v.4?   Avail @Barnes and Noble or Borders Bookstores?  Something
> relatively recent and aware of the latest "poop" on the subject.
>
> Thanks...
>
> -=- J.D. -=-

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From: [e-mail]                              18-Dec-99 19:55:08
  To: All                                               18-Dec-99 21:14:14
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

Some days I can't understand why my systems here even power up.

Running (among other things), Warp 4 fix 12 on an IBM Thinkpad, and
listening to my sound system work fine - while printing.  If you read
(and follow) the instructions included in the fixpack for what to do if
you use ESS sound, what's the problem?  I went to the site suggested,
downloaded new drivers, installed them - and it worked.

Now, that said, fix 12 was NOT an unqualified success - the last fixpack
that I didn't have reservations about (later) was 7.

My suggestion -

First, download the fixpack, put it on CD or something.  That way, if
it's withdrawn later, you've still got it.
Second, do a PQDI or other type of full backup of your boot volume
before installing any fixpack.
Third - test any newly fixed system carefully before installing any
unbacked-up data.  Be prepared to restore.

If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
will make your life much easier.

Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
no good purpose?





On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
>
>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>>wrote:
>
>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>>postings about this or
>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to code
>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
>
>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this last
>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of Forethought
>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly IBM
>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame it
>on the parallel port manufacturers.
>
>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
>
>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer provides
>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp "development"
>team heading their way.
>
>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the history
>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with all
>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for it.
>
>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU site
>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
>the effort of killing off the product.
>
>Roland
>
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From: [e-mail]                             19-Dec-99 01:29:29
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Bug in mkisofs with Joliet FS - missing files?

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Anssi Saari <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] (Jerry McBride) writes:
>
>> No. But just trying to understand the syntax of declaring what directory
you
>> want copied and where-to is enough to make a guy drink. I undestand that
these
>> utilities (mkisofs and cdrecod) are being ported from the unix world, but
man
>> have a heart for us OS/2 users... :')

>Well, maybe one of the frontends would make it easier for you? I'm a
>Unix person, so I don't have a problem using mkisofs and cdrecord.
>
>For the original poster, there have been bugs in mkisofs concerning
>directories, but usually when making multi-session discs. I don't know
>what the problem is, but if you can make a specific example that the
>author (or the guy who ported it to OS/2) can duplicate it, it'll
>probably get fixed.

>Anssi Saari - [e-mail]

Jerry, I still haven't found the time to test out a multi-session CD, and I
will get back to you on that, however I do second Anssi 's suggestion.
Use Chris's wonderful front end, for what you are trying to do! I have
found it a breeze, and I'm a newbie to CD burning myself.

I printed out all the doc's from the UNIX port, and have done subsequent
research. For example, contrary to popular myth, the CDFS.IFS, that IBM
released with Warp 3 FP35, <fill in Warp 4 eqivalent> already introduced
HPFS long filenames, (for their Java development CD's), so you don't need
Rockridge, (for UNIX), nor Joilet, (Win 95/whatever), unless you intend to
deliver a CD for those specific platforms.

I basically just burn data CD's, and for me, it's simply a matter of dragging
the template from Chris's GUI front end, onto the hard drive where I have
sufficient space, drag the files to that template, and burn it. Nothing could
be easier. In the case where you have funny symbols, ie '~', (astergule) in
your files, add the -a, for all files in the mkisofs parmeters box provided.
That
was the only gotcha I had in burning data CD's.

So, it is worthwhile to print out the UNIX docs, to a certain extent, just in
case you need to 'fine-tune' something. Also, I'm a command-line person
too, and don't take readily to 'front-ends', but in this case, where I am
a newbie, his front end does a fine job, all on it's own. Certainly print the
UNIX docs, in case you want to do something specific, but as this is a port,
I've found most of it to be non-relevant, unless I'm publishing something
for a specific non-OS/2 platform.

Chris's front end can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Sector/5785/cdrecord/cdrecordmain.htm

and I've found his package to be very complete. The readcd.exe utility is
very useful if you've purchased a game CD, and want to beat your spouse
at pinball. <grin>.

Gail Zimmerman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                              19-Dec-99 02:21:05
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Quicken 98 - again

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/18/99
   at 01:51 AM, [e-mail] (Will Honea) said:


>> Note - I'm running win-os/2 under Warp 4, and things were working fine
>> until I had to make my Quicken Y2K ready with Revision 4.  I have SET
>> ETC=C:\MPTN\ETC in config.sys, and SET ETC =F:\TCPIP\DOS\ETC in
>> autoexec.bat.

>I've had better luck with AOL, PointCast, and TurboTax when I set  ETC to
>C: \MPTN\ETC in both config.sys and autoexec.bat.  The DOSBOX.EXE  fixes

I used to have that set in both, but was advised to change it to
/TCPIP\DOS\ETC in autoexec.bat.  And Quicken did connect to the Internet,
until I upgraded to Y2K-ready revision 4.

>also helped a lot, as did a quick scan to get rid of all the  WINSOCK.DLL
>copies except for the one in \tcpip\dos\bin.  Darned WIN  programs all
>seem to think they need their own copy of winsock.dll!

I've only got one copy of winsock.dll - the one that came with win-os/2.
I either deleteted or renamed any other copies (i.e. to winsock.dl1) to
prevent problems of multiple copies.

Alan


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From: [e-mail]                            19-Dec-99 02:35:19
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.

The TrackMan Wheel I bought has a USB connector with a USB-to-PS/2
adapter.

Alan

James Moe wrote:
>   I personally found the mouse wheel a useless feature, as have others.
> Aside from the personal bias I never had a problem getting the wheel to
> work as advertised, even with the original driver.
>   The driver is _only_ for ps/2 mice. Do you have one? Or is it plugged
> into a COM port?
>   As to the third button, could something be programmed for it? Normally
> the only thing might happen is a change of focus to wherever it is
> clicked.

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From: [e-mail]                            19-Dec-99 02:37:11
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

What is the "latest" scrollmouse driver? I have only ever seen one on
the IBM site.

Alan


Mark Klebanoff wrote:
>
> I dunno.  I have a trackman wheel and the wheel works fine with the
> latest scrollms release.  It never worked in any previous release,
> however.  The middle button doesn't work, however.
>

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From: [e-mail]                            19-Dec-99 02:57:17
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
trackballs and mice, were there?

Alan


Alan Beagley wrote:
>
> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.

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From: [e-mail]                             19-Dec-99 04:19:00
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:16
Subj: Re: I need a short CDRECORD tutorial...

From: [e-mail]

Jonathan Seder <[e-mail]> writes:

>Disk-at-once generates CDs which can be read on just about any computer
>with a CD-ROM reader, including older Windows machines (3.1, early Win
>95), Unix and Apple computers, and Warp machines without certain
>FixPaks.

Now you have me curious, based on what I've read. What
you describe above, sounds more like the ISO standard, which is based
on the DOS file system, special characters not allowed. There have
been extensions to that, to allow for long file names, under UNIX,
(Rockridge),
Win 95 (Joilet), and OS/2 native HPFS. From my reading, that is not what
DAO is all about. Although it may be, that under Adaptec's software, they
will use the strict ISO standard when using DAO.

What DAO does involve is the drive being able to sustain a certain transfer
rate, so that an 'image' file is not required.

>The UDP recording mode (as performed by "DirectCD") is a relatively
>recent development.

Direct CD is indeed the Adaptec software I am talking about, but you've lost
me on UDP. Granted, as this was Windows only software, I just gave it
a brief read-through, to familiarize myself with some of the recording
terms.

>As these older machines fade away and the universe standardizes on
>current Windows systems (sigh), UDP will increasingly be favored.

I can't comment until I know what UDP means, but I can say in
confidence, it has nothing to do with DAO. First off, even the Adeptec
software says that many CDR's can't support it, the Yamaha happens
to be one that can. I tend more to believe the subsequent posters who
say it has something to do with audio CD recording timing. That would
make more sense. Especially since even the UNIX CDrecord docs say that
the -dao mode will not be supported in the future. And that makes sense
because CDRecord has other more precise parameters that you can give
as to timing in recording audio CD's. That is not something I care about,
so I am ignorant as to the particulars of audio burning.

Gail Zimmerman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                     19-Dec-99 04:37:18
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros)

Bob Germer <[e-mail]> wrote:

>On <82m84j$m61$[e-mail]>, on 12/08/99 at 06:30 PM,
>   larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:
>
>> > I understand that it is your belief that a trader is permitted to do
>> > virtually anything that does not involve bloodshed. That has not been
true
>> > for over a century.
>
>> Then the U.S. has not been a free society for over a century.
>
>Neither, then, has Canada, Great Britain, or any other country in the
>western world which regulates businesses for the good of the common
>citizen.
>
>Of course that is absurd. By your infantile, distorted reasoning not
>worthy of a kindergarten dropout, only anarchy would be acceptable.
>
>I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University of
>Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
>university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
>country, and the world.
>
>A copy of this message is being sent to the university.
>
>--
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>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [e-mail]
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
>MR/2 Ice 2.01 Registration Number 67
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Now, that's ridiculous.  If every university which graduated a looney was
boycotted by employers, there wouldn't be a post-grad in the country still
working.


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From: [e-mail]                                 18-Dec-99 23:52:06
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>
spake unto us, saying:

>Since when is ls-l defaulted to sort by name?  Last time I used it
>(Linux version unknown), it wasn't.

To my knowledge, the GNU ls command has *always* defaulted to sort the
directory display by filename.  It certainly does in all of the modern
Linux flavors that I've ever used (Slackware, SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake,
LRP, tomsrbrt), and I honestly don't remember it ever being different.

Of course, dotfiles sort to the top, and filenames starting with caps
sort ahead of filenames starting with lowercase, but that is normal for
a Unix system (FreeBSD and Solaris seem to behave the same way).

--
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     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
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From: [e-mail]                                   19-Dec-99 06:32:27
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 03:28:17
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: J Christopher Kennedy <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
   at 02:35 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:

>I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.

>The TrackMan Wheel I bought has a USB connector with a USB-to-PS/2 adapter.

Hmm...  Same mouse I am using here.  I actually got the little wheel
dohickey to work.  Of course, everytime I install the Scrollmouse Driver,
the install program eats my *.ini files, so I have to restore from a
backup.  Thus no nifty scroll mouse settings page or program.  But the
wheel does work in all my programs.  Only Netscape behaves the way I want
it to, as in everything else the wheel moves the actual cursor instead of
the scrollbars.

Oh well.  Now if only the install program wouldn't eat the desktop...

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From: [e-mail]                       19-Dec-99 13:52:27
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 12:53:17
Subj: Re: Cool.. Warp 4 no problems with Y2K

From: [e-mail] (Jim Backus)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:27:35, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> The software may be fine, but it is quite likely that you will find that
> if you turn off a computer that old and turn it back on again, the date
> will be some time in 1980 (Jan 4??). That is the case with our 486
> machines with motherboards and BIOSes dating from 1992/94.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Jim Backus wrote:
> >
> > Haven't done a test under OS/2 but I'm confident that my 386DX40 running
> > Warp 3 with FP40 and a couple of other fixes will work flawlessly after
> > 31st December ... so less of the old Pentium 166 :-) [which BTW is about
> > the same spec as my main PC]

The PC is 1991 vintage with an AMI BIOS.  I've checked the behaviour
under DOS.  The RTC fails to roll over to the new century but entering
the Date command resets it and it will continue from there on.  I know
there are PCs with Award BIOS that simply will not accept y2k dates.

AFAIK both Warp 3 and Warp 4 with recent fixpacks (thirty-something
and 5 respectively) ensure correct RTC behaviour.  But should the PC
be left running at the y2k rollover for the OS to make the correction,
or will it be corrected when the PC is next booted?

The two PCs also run Time868 in server / client mode with the 386 as a
client.  I believe this will keep things right even if the OS fails to
make the correction.

It's getting to the stage where I've done everything I can and will
just have to cross my fingers.

--
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bona fide replies to jimb(at)jita(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
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From: [e-mail]                              19-Dec-99 11:41:25
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 12:53:18
Subj: New os2dasd basedev questions

From: Dale Winters <[e-mail]>

Have seen some mention of a new os2basd driver. I can not find it.Can
some kind soul point
me in the right direction,please ?
    Also,does anyone know if this new driver wil let me see my "orb"
parallel port drive ???
    Thanks,Dale

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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 20:44:10
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

Christian Hennecke wrote:
> Do you have WatchCat installed with activation via keyboard? A jumping
> mouse is a known problem with PS/2 mice under this condition. You'd
> better use a hardware switch (and it's more reliable, too).
Yes I do! How interesting. Thanks heaps for this tip. I will try it...

Aaron
>

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From: [e-mail]                                19-Dec-99 08:38:28
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: SVGA..

From: "FI" <[e-mail]>

Please could you help me with some issues regarding SVGA display driver
installation on OS2 machines.

I have been given a project to investigate how to install SVGA display
drivers on a number of workstations connected together on a small LAN. There
are approx. 7 totally different makes/models of PC connected to this LAN and
therefore a similar number of device drivers. All these individual machines
are to have their SVGA drivers installed via the LAN's fileserver - I am not
allowed to use diskettes on each individual machine!!

I have done some reading and it seems a good idea to try and do this via a
CID type mechanism.

Further reading indicates to me that I can use the DSPINSTL.EXE to do the
processing.

My plan is this: When each machine boots up I will get it to identify itself
to the fileserver such that the fileserver 'knows' the make and model of the
machine. The fileserver will then download the SVGA drivers appropriate to
that machine. I am fairly confident I can do this bit.

I am building a *.DSC and a *.DSP file - as used by DSPINSTL.EXE for each of
the various machine types. I think I am OK with building the *.DSC's but
could use some help with my *.DSP's. I have looked at DSP's relating to
other drivers but this has only raised more questions!

My questions are as follows (sorry there's a few of them!):
1.  :FILES :MODE=PRIMARY :MODE=DOS - I have seen files being copied using
this 'Key' is this necessary (i.e MODE=DOS) or can I just include the DOS
related files in a list with all the other OS2 DLL's?

2. :CONFIG :MODE=PRIMARY :MODE=BIDI       ****WHAT IS THIS????
     SET VIO_SVGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA,BVHSVGA,BDBVH)
    What does the BIDI mean? What effect does its use have?

3.  CONFIG :MODE=PRIMARY :MODE=DOS
DEVICE=%BOOTDRIVE%:\OS2\MDOS\VSVGA.SYS
DEVICE=%BOOTDRIVE%:\OS2\MDOS\VPRPMI.SYS
As for question 1, do I need to use this?

4.
:OS2INI :MODE=PRIMARY
OS2.INI
PM_DISPLAYDRIVERS  M6432         M6432
PM_DISPLAYDRIVERS  CURRENTDRIVER  M6432
*LEAVE DEFAULTDRIVER ALONE IN CASE INSTALL FAILS
*PM_DISPLAYDRIVERS  DEFAULTDRIVER  M6432
*RESET TO 640x480
PM_DISPLAYDRIVERS  DEFAULTSYSTEMRESOLUTION 0

What effect do the above lines have? Especially the DEFAULTSYSTEMRESOLUTION
0
I've also seen the following line..what does it do??
PM_DISPLAYDRIVERS RESOLUTION_CHANGED 1


5. I need to ensure that each machine is set to a refresh rate of 72-75Hz.
This is not always easily possible e.g. when using the GRADD drivers. I
therefore need a method of doing this. I have been using VCFGCID.CMD
(OS2\INSTALL). This works on all but one of my machines but on one I get an
error message: "ERROR: 1 error getting current desktop mode". This is really
annoying me- if you can explain an alternative method or suggest what is
going wrong I'll be very greatful.
Can I force the refresh rate to this value in my *.DSP files somehow?? (All
the machines will support this resolution by the way).


6.:OS2INI :MODE=PRIMARY
%BOOTDRIVE%:\OS2\INSTALL\REINSTAL.INI -What effect does this line have?

7. I have been using SVGA.EXE to generate an SVGADATA.PMI.  However, I keep
getting a message "Unrecognised card or chipset" Why is this? -apart from
the obvious -It doesn't recognise the chipset!!! Would a more upto-date
version of SVGA be likely to recognise the chipset? If so where can I find
the most upto-date version - or is there an alternative?


I would appreciate any help you can give me. Unfortunately, like a typical
student I have left this all to the last minute so If you can reply, the
sooner the better!!


Thanks

IDF.




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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 21:46:04
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Fixed - Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

ANd that was it! So simple - yet not so obvious. Thanks Christian. Any idea
why?

Aaron Lawrence wrote:

> Christian Hennecke wrote:
> > Do you have WatchCat installed with activation via keyboard? A jumping
> > mouse is a known problem with PS/2 mice under this condition. You'd
> > better use a hardware switch (and it's more reliable, too).
> Yes I do! How interesting. Thanks heaps for this tip. I will try it...
>
> Aaron
> >

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From: [e-mail]                                19-Dec-99 08:47:22
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Problems with Netscape 4.61 install

From: "Mark Berkwitt" <[e-mail]>

I've just downloaded and installed and uninstalled and installed again
the os2 version of Netscape Communicator 4.61 and get a repeated
problem.  I can download messages but the body of the message is not
visible.  I double click on a message in the list frame but what opens
is a window with a header but without a message part.

Could it be related to my use of RSU?  Earlier today I installed XR_W042
but ran into a problem.  I then installed XR_W032 while replacing newer
files.  This went without a hitch.
Can these two events be related?  I suppose I should try to RSU XR_W042.

I'm going to try to download this with my other os and see if I can read
the message.  I'm not sure if this will be blank when posted so in part
this is a Cc: test.

Please reply to both newsgroup and me.  Thanks.

Mark


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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 21:46:29
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Fixed - Re: Second try: Random mouse jumping and clicking problems...

From: Aaron Lawrence <[e-mail]>

ANd that was it! So simple - yet not so obvious. Thanks Christian. Any idea
why?

I set Watchcat to use game port (any button), unfortunately that doesn't
seem to work. I have a PCI sound card now, could it be related to that?

Aaron Lawrence wrote:

> Christian Hennecke wrote:
> > Do you have WatchCat installed with activation via keyboard? A jumping
> > mouse is a known problem with PS/2 mice under this condition. You'd
> > better use a hardware switch (and it's more reliable, too).
> Yes I do! How interesting. Thanks heaps for this tip. I will try it...
>
> Aaron
> >

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From: larso@commodore.                                  19-Dec-99 10:01:22
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg)

As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw PL write:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:13:22 -0700, "Steven C. Britton"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >They should educate themselves BEFORE going to work.
> Well even better. Get a union in. They will ensure the workplace is
> safe.

Until somebody dares cross a picket line.

> >Not everything is easy.  I never said it was -- but the choice is always
> >there.

> Yes you forgot one. Get a union in. You will keep your job, not lose
> any pay and get a better company to work for.

Unless, of course, you don't keep the job.

> >Then they should get educated.  Don't treat the symptom, cure the disease.
> Well one way to cure the disease is to raise the minimum wage so that
> they can afford to got back to school.

Minimum wages are a curse, not a cure.

> >Raising minimum wage would harm ALL businesses.
> Nope. Raising the minimum wage allows people to spend more at
> Mcdonalds once in awhile. Gee they will even sell more cheese burgers
> and fries.

That's an econommic fallacy and you know it...(maybe).

--
Lars P. Ormberg     ICQ#:8827066
mailto:[e-mail]
The University of Lars:   http://www.ualberta.ca/~larso/

"The way you're bathed in light, reminds me of that night
God laid me down into your rose garden of trust and I was
swept away with nothin' left to say some helpless fool
yeah I was lost in a swoon of peace you're all I need to
find so when the time is right come to me sweetly, come
to me come to me..love will lead us, alright.  love will
lead us, she will lead us.  can you hear the dolphin's
cry?  see the road rise up to meet us its in the air we
breathe tonight love will lead us, she will lead us"
                            -Live, "The Dolphin's Cry"

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From: [e-mail]                                    18-Dec-99 14:33:07
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: (1/3) Re: Error Codes

From: [e-mail]

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In <[e-mail]>, on 12/16/99
   at 12:21 PM, Pat Pridgen <[e-mail]> said:

>Since the manuals that I have don't seem to list all of the error codes that
>I can receive. ;) Where is a good spot to pickup a comprehensive list of the
>error codes? If I hadn't been able to work around the last one, I wouldn't
>have been able to come to the news groups to get help.

I attach what I have about errors codes:

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at 14:33(+0100, relative to GMT) on Saturday, 18 Dec 1999
Using MR/2 ICE v2.02  Reg: #20729.
Under ---> OS/2 WARP 4 rev.9.036 (fixpack 12)
Java ver.  1.1.8  build 19991026
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OS/2 Base Error Codes

  0   NO_ERROR
          No error occurred.

  1   ERROR_INVALID_FUNCTION
          Invalid function number.

  2   ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
          File not found.

  3   ERROR_PATH_NOT_FOUND
          Path not found.

  4   ERROR_TOO_MANY_OPEN_FILES
          Too many open files (no handles left).

  5   ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED
          Access denied.

  6   ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE
          Invalid handle.

  7   ERROR_ARENA_TRASHED
          Memory control blocks destroyed.

  8   ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY
          Insufficient memory.

  9   ERROR_INVALID_BLOCK
          Invalid memory-block address.

  10   ERROR_BAD_ENVIRONMENT
          Invalid environment.

  11   ERROR_BAD_FORMAT
          Invalid format.

  12   ERROR_INVALID_ACCESS
          Invalid access code.

  13   ERROR_INVALID_DATA
          Invalid data.

  14   Reserved.


  15   ERROR_INVALID_DRIVE
          Invalid drive specified.

  16   ERROR_CURRENT_DIRECTORY
          Attempting to remove current directory.

  17   ERROR_NOT_SAME_DEVICE
          Not same device.

  18   ERROR_NO_MORE_FILES
          No more files.

  19   ERROR_WRITE_PROTECT
          Attempt to write on write-protected diskette.

  20   ERROR_BAD_UNIT
          Unknown unit.

  21   ERROR_NOT_READY
          Drive not ready.

  22   ERROR_BAD_COMMAND
          Unknown command.

  23   ERROR_CRC
          Data error - cyclic redundancy check.

  24   ERROR_BAD_LENGTH
          Invalid request structure length.

  25   ERROR_SEEK
          Seek error.

  26   ERROR_NOT_DOS_DISK
          Unknown media type.

  27   ERROR_SECTOR_NOT_FOUND
          Sector not found.

  28   ERROR_OUT_OF_PAPER
          Printer is out of paper.

  29   ERROR_WRITE FAULT
          Write fault.

  30   ERROR_READ_FAULT
          Read fault.

  31   ERROR_GEN_FAILURE
          General failure.

  32   ERROR_SHARING_VIOLATION
          Sharing violation.

  33   ERROR_LOCK_VIOLATION
          Lock violation.

  34   ERROR_WRONG_DISK
          Invalid disk change.

  35   ERROR_FCB_UNAVAILABLE
          FCB unavailable.

  36   ERROR_SHARING_BUFFER_EXCEEDED
          Sharing buffer overflow.

  37   ERROR_CODE_PAGE_MISMATCHED
          Code page does not match.

  38   ERROR_HANDLE_EOF
          End of file reached.

  39   ERROR_HANDLE_DISK_FULL
          Disk is full.

  40-49   Reserved.


  50   ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED
          Network request not supported.

  51   ERROR_REM_NOT_LIST
          Remote network node is not online.

  52   ERROR_DUP_NAME
          Duplicate file name in network.

  53   ERROR_BAD_NETPATH
          Network path not found.

  54   ERROR_NETWORK_BUSY
          Network is busy.

  55   ERROR_DEV_NOT_EXIST
          Device is not installed in network.

  56   ERROR_TOO_MANY_CMDS
          Network command limit reached.

  57   ERROR_ADAP_HDW_ERR
          Network adapter hardware error.

  58   ERROR_BAD_NET_RESP
          Incorrect response in network.

  59   ERROR_UNEXP_NET_ERR
          Unexpected error in network.

  60   ERROR_BAD_REM_ADAP
          Remote network adapter error.

  61   ERROR_PRINTQ_FULL
          Network printer queue is full.

  62   ERROR_NO_SPOOL_SPACE
          No space in print spool file.

  63   ERROR_PRINT_CANCELLED
          Print spool file deleted.

  64   ERROR_NETNAME_DELETED
          Network name deleted.

  65   ERROR_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED
          Access to network denied.

  66   ERROR_BAD_DEV_TYPE
          Device type invalid for network.

  67   ERROR_BAD_NET_NAME
          Network name not found.

  68   ERROR_TOO_MANY_NAMES
          Network name limit exceeded.

  69   ERROR_TOO_MANY_SESS
          Network session limit exceeded.

  70   ERROR_SHARING_PAUSED
          Temporary pause in network.

  71   ERROR_REQ_NOT_ACCEP
          Network request denied.

  72   ERROR_REDIR_PAUSED
          Pause in network print disk redirection.

  73   ERROR_SBCS_ATT_WRITE_PROT
          Attempted write on protected disk.

  74   ERROR_SBCS_GENERAL_FAILURE
          General failure, single-byte character set.

  75-79   Reserved.


  80   ERROR_FILE_EXISTS
          File exists.

  81   ERROR_DUP_FCB
          Reserved.

  82   ERROR_CANNOT_MAKE
          Cannot make directory entry.

  83   ERROR_FAIL_I24
          Failure on INT 24.

  84   ERROR_OUT_OF_STRUCTURES
          Too many redirections.

  85   ERROR_ALREADY_ASSIGNED
          Duplicate redirection.

  86   ERROR_INVALID_PASSWORD
          Invalid password.

  87   ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETER
          Invalid parameter.

  88   ERROR_NET_WRITE_FAULT
          Network device fault.

  89   ERROR_NO_PROC_SLOTS
          No process slots available.

  90   ERROR_NOT_FROZEN
          System error.

  91   ERR_TSTOVFL
          Timer service table overflow.

  92   ERR_TSTDUP
          Timer service table duplicate.

  93   ERROR_NO_ITEMS
          No items to work on.

  95   ERROR_INTERRUPT
          Interrupted system call.

  99   ERROR_DEVICE_IN_USE
          Device in use.

  100   ERROR_TOO_MANY_SEMAPHORES
          User/system open semaphore limit reached.

  101   ERROR_EXCL_SEM_ALREADY_OWNED
          Exclusive semaphore already owned.

  102   ERROR_SEM_IS_SET
          DosCloseSem found semaphore set.

  103   ERROR_TOO_MANY_SEM_REQUESTS
          Too many exclusive semaphore requests.

  104   ERROR_INVALID_AT_INTERRUPT_TIME
          Operation invalid at interrupt time.

  105   ERROR_SEM_OWNER_DIED
          Previous semaphore owner terminated without freeing semaphore.

  106   ERROR_SEM_USER_LIMIT
          Semaphore limit exceeded.

  107   ERROR_DISK_CHANGE
          Insert drive B disk into drive A.

  108   ERROR_DRIVE_LOCKED
          Drive locked by another process.

  109   ERROR_BROKEN_PIPE
          Write on pipe with no reader.

  110   ERROR_OPEN_FAILED
          Open/create failed due to explicit fail command.

  111   ERROR_BUFFER_OVERFLOW
          Buffer passed to system call too small to hold return data.

  112   ERROR_DISK_FULL
          Not enough space on the disk.

  113   ERROR_NO_MORE_SEARCH_HANDLES
          Cannot allocate another search structure and handle.

  114   ERROR_INVALID_TARGET_HANDLE
          Target handle in DosDupHandle invalid.

  115   ERROR_PROTECTION_VIOLATION
          Invalid user virtual address.

  116   ERROR_VIOKBD_REQUEST
          Error on display write or keyboard read.

  117   ERROR_INVALID_CATEGORY
          Category for DevIOCtl not defined.

  118   ERROR_INVALID_VERIFY_SWITCH
          Invalid value passed for verify flag.

  119   ERROR_BAD_DRIVER_LEVEL
          Level four driver not found.

  120   ERROR_CALL_NOT_IMPLEMENTED
          Invalid function called.

  121   ERROR_SEM_TIMEOUT
          Time-out occurred from semaphore API function.

  122   ERROR_INSUFFICIENT_BUFFER
          Data buffer too small.

  123   ERROR_INVALID_NAME
          Illegal character or invalid file-system name.

  124   ERROR_INVALID_LEVEL
          Non-implemented level for information retrieval or setting.

  125   ERROR_NO_VOLUME_LABEL
          No volume label found with DosQueryFSInfo function.

  126   ERROR_MOD_NOT_FOUND
          Module handle not found with DosQueryProcAddr(),
          DosQueryModAddr().

  127   ERROR_PROC_NOT_FOUND
          Procedure address not found with DosQueryProcAddr().

  128   ERROR_WAIT_NO_CHILDREN
          DosWaitChild finds no children.

  129   ERROR_CHILD_NOT_COMPLETE
          DosWaitChild children not terminated.

  130   ERROR_DIRECT_ACCESS_HANDLE
          Handle operation invalid for direct disk-access handles.

  131   ERROR_NEGATIVE_SEEK
          Attempting seek to negative offset.

  132   ERROR_SEEK_ON_DEVICE
          Application trying to seek on device or pipe.

  133   ERROR_IS_JOIN_TARGET
          Drive has previously joined drives.

  134   ERROR_IS_JOINED
          Drive is already joined.

  135   ERROR_IS_SUBSTED
          Drive is already substituted.

  136   ERROR_NOT_JOINED
          Cannot delete drive that is not joined.

  137   ERROR_NOT_SUBSTED
          Cannot delete drive that is not substituted.

  138   ERROR_JOIN_TO_JOIN
          Cannot join to a joined drive.

  139   ERROR_SUBST_TO_SUBST
          Cannot substitute to a substituted drive.

  140   ERROR_JOIN_TO_SUBST
          Cannot join to a substituted drive.

  141   ERROR_SUBST_TO_JOIN
          Cannot substitute to a joined drive.

  142   ERROR_BUSY_DRIVE
          Specified drive is busy.

  143   ERROR_SAME_DRIVE
          Cannot join or substitute a drive to a directory on the same drive.

  144   ERROR_DIR_NOT_ROOT
          Directory must be a subdirectory of the root.

  145   ERROR_DIR_NOT_EMPTY
          Directory must be empty to use join command.

  146   ERROR_IS_SUBST_PATH
          Path specified is being used in a substitute.

  147   ERROR_IS_JOIN_PATH
          Path specified is being used in a join.

  148   ERROR_PATH_BUSY
          Path specified is being used by another process.

  149   ERROR_IS_SUBST_TARGET
          Cannot join or substitute a drive that has a directory that is the
          target of a previous substitute.

  150   ERROR_SYSTEM_TRACE
          System trace error.

  151   ERROR_INVALID_EVENT_COUNT
          DosWaitMuxWaitSem errors.

  152   ERROR_TOO_MANY_MUXWAITERS
          System limit of 100 entries reached.

  153   ERROR_INVALID_LIST_FORMAT
          Invalid list format.

  154   ERROR_LABEL_TOO_LONG
          Volume label too big.

  155   ERROR_TOO_MANY_TCBS
          Cannot create another TCB.

  156   ERROR_SIGNAL_REFUSED
          Signal refused.

  157   ERROR_DISCARDED
          Segment is discarded.

  158   ERROR_NOT_LOCKED
          Segment is not locked.

  159   ERROR_BAD_THREADID_ADDR
          Invalid thread-identity address.

  160   ERROR_BAD_ARGUMENTS
          Invalid environment pointer.

  161   ERROR_BAD_PATHNAME
          Invalid path name passed to exec.

  162   ERROR_SIGNAL_PENDING
          Signal already pending.

  163   ERROR_UNCERTAIN_MEDIA
          Error with INT 24 mapping.

  164   ERROR_MAX_THRDS_REACHED
          No more process slots.

  165   ERROR_MONITORS_NOT_SUPPORTED
          Error with INT 24 mapping.

  166   ERROR_UNC_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED
          Default redirection return code.

  167   ERROR_LOCK_FAILED
          Locking failed.

  168   ERROR_SWAPIO_FAILED
          Swap I/O failed.

  169   ERROR_SWAPIN_FAILED
          Swap in failed.

  170   ERROR_BUSY
          Segment is busy.

  171-172   Reserved.


  173   ERROR_CANCEL_VIOLATION
          A lock request is not outstanding for the specified file range, or
the
          range length is zero.

  174   ERROR_ATOMIC_LOCK_NOT_SUPPORTED
          The file-system driver (FSD) does not support atomic lock
operations.
          Versions of OS/2 prior to version 2.00 do not support atomic lock
          operations.

  175   ERROR_READ_LOCKS_NOT_SUPPORTED
          The file system driver (FSD) does not support shared read locks.

  176-179   Reserved.


  180   ERROR_INVALID_SEGMENT_NUMBER
          Invalid segment number.

  181   ERROR_INVALID_CALLGATE
          Invalid call gate.

  182   ERROR_INVALID_ORDINAL
          Invalid ordinal.

  183   ERROR_ALREADY_EXISTS
          Shared segment already exists.

  184   ERROR_NO_CHILD_PROCESS
          No child process to wait for.

  185   ERROR_CHILD_ALIVE_NOWAIT
          NoWait specified and child alive.

  186   ERROR_INVALID_FLAG_NUMBER
          Invalid flag number.

  187   ERROR_SEM_NOT_FOUND
          Semaphore does not exist.

  188   ERROR_INVALID_STARTING_CODESEG
          Invalid starting code segment, incorrect END (label) directive.

  189   ERROR_INVALID_STACKSEG
          Invalid stack segment.

  190   ERROR_INVALID_MODULETYPE
          Invalid module type - dynamic-link library file cannot be used as an

          application. Application cannot be used as a dynamic-link library.

  191   ERROR_INVALID_EXE_SIGNATURE
          Invalid EXE signature - file is a DOS mode program or an improper
          program.

  192   ERROR_EXE_MARKED_INVALID
          EXE marked invalid - link detected errors when the application was
          created.

  193   ERROR_BAD_EXE_FORMAT
          Invalid EXE format - file is a DOS mode program or an improper
          program.

  194   ERROR_ITERATED_DATA_EXCEEDS_64k
          Iterated data exceeds 64KB - there is more than 64KB of data in one
          of the segments of the file.

  195   ERROR_INVALID_MINALLOCSIZE
          Invalid minimum allocation size - the size is specified to be less
than
          the size of the segment data in the file.

  196   ERROR_DYNLINK_FROM_INVALID_RING
          Dynamic link from invalid privilege level - privilege level 2
routine
          cannot link to dynamic-link libraries.

  197   ERROR_IOPL_NOT_ENABLED
          IOPL not enabled - IOPL set to NO in CONFIG.SYS.

  198   ERROR_INVALID_SEGDPL
          Invalid segment descriptor privilege level - can only have privilege


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  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: (2/3) Re: Error Codes

          levels of 2 and 3.

  199   ERROR_AUTODATASEG_EXCEEDS_64k
          Automatic data segment exceeds 64KB.

  200   ERROR_RING2SEG_MUST_BE_MOVABLE
          Privilege level 2 segment must be movable.

  201   ERROR_RELOC_CHAIN_XEEDS_SEGLIM
          Relocation chain exceeds segment limit.

  202   ERROR_INFLOOP_IN_RELOC_CHAIN
          Infinite loop in relocation chain segment.

  203   ERROR_ENVVAR_NOT_FOUND
          Environment variable not found.

  204   ERROR_NOT_CURRENT_CTRY
          Not current country.

  205   ERROR_NO_SIGNAL_SENT
          No signal sent - no process in the command subtree has a signal
          handler.

  206   ERROR_FILENAME_EXCED_RANGE
          File name or extension is greater than 8.3 characters.

  207   ERROR_RING2_STACK_IN_USE
          Privilege level 2 stack is in use.

  208   ERROR_META_EXPANSION_TOO_LONG
          Meta (global) expansion is too long.

  209   ERROR_INVALID_SIGNAL_NUMBER
          Invalid signal number.

  210   ERROR_THREAD_1_INACTIVE
          Inactive thread.

  211   ERROR_INFO_NOT_AVAIL
          File system information is not available for this file.

  212   ERROR_LOCKED
          Locked error.

  213   ERROR_BAD_DYNALINK
          Attempted to execute a non-family API in DOS mode.

  214   ERROR_TOO_MANY_MODULES
          Too many modules.

  215   ERROR_NESTING_NOT_ALLOWED
          Nesting is not allowed.

  217   ERROR_ZOMBIE_PROCESS
          Zombie process.

  218   ERROR_STACK_IN_HIGH_MEMORY
          Stack is in high memory.

  219   ERROR_INVALID_EXITROUTINE_RING
          Invalid exit routine ring.

  220   ERROR_GETBUF_FAILED
          Get buffer failed.

  221   ERROR_FLUSHBUF_FAILED
          Flush buffer failed.

  222   ERROR_TRANSFER_TOO_LONG
          Transfer is too long.

  224   ERROR_SMG_NO_TARGET_WINDOW
          The application window was created without the FCF_TASKLIST
          style, or the application window not yet been created or has already

          been destroyed.

  228   ERROR_NO_CHILDREN
          No child process.

  229   ERROR_INVALID_SCREEN_GROUP
          Invalid session.

  230   ERROR_BAD_PIPE
          Non-existent pipe or invalid operation.

  231   ERROR_PIPE_BUSY
          Pipe is busy.

  232   ERROR_NO_DATA
          No data available on non-blocking read.

  233   ERROR_PIPE_NOT_CONNECTED
          Pipe was disconnected by server.

  234   ERROR_MORE_DATA
          More data is available.

  240   ERROR_VC_DISCONNECTED
          Session was dropped due to errors.

  250   ERROR_CIRCULARITY_REQUESTED
          Renaming a directory that would cause a circularity problem.

  251   ERROR_DIRECTORY_IN_CDS
          Renaming a directory that is in use.

  252   ERROR_INVALID_FSD_NAME
          Trying to access nonexistent FSD.

  253   ERROR_INVALID_PATH
          Invalid pseudo device.

  254   ERROR_INVALID_EA_NAME
          Invalid character in name, or invalid cbName.

  255   ERROR_EA_LIST_INCONSISTENT
          List does not match its size, or there are invalid EAs in the list.

  256   ERROR_EA_LIST_TOO_LONG
          FEAList is longer than 64K-1 bytes.

  257   ERROR_NO_META_MATCH
          String does not match expression.

  259   ERROR_NO_MORE_ITEMS
          DosQueryFSAttach ordinal query.

  260   ERROR_SEARCH_STRUC_REUSED
          DOS mode findfirst/next search structure reused.

  261   ERROR_CHAR_NOT_FOUND
          Character not found.

  262   ERROR_TOO_MUCH_STACK
          Stack request exceeds system limit.

  263   ERROR_INVALID_ATTR
          Invalid attribute.

  264   ERROR_INVALID_STARTING_RING
          Invalid starting ring.

  265   ERROR_INVALID_DLL_INIT_RING
          Invalid DLL INIT ring.

  266   ERROR_CANNOT_COPY
          Cannot copy.

  267   ERROR_DIRECTORY
          Used by DOSCOPY in doscall1.

  268   ERROR_OPLOCKED_FILE
          Oplocked file.

  269   ERROR_OPLOCK_THREAD_EXISTS
          Oplock thread exists.

  270   ERROR_VOLUME_CHANGED
          Volume changed.

  271-273   Reserved.


  274   ERROR_ALREADY_SHUTDOWN
          System is already shut down.

  275   ERROR_EAS_DIDNT_FIT
          Buffer is not big enough to hold the EAs.

  276   ERROR_EA_FILE_CORRUPT
          EA file has been damaged.

  277   ERROR_EA_TABLE_FULL
          EA table is full.

  278   ERROR_INVALID_EA_HANDLE
          EA handle is invalid.

  279   ERROR_NO_CLUSTER
          No cluster.

  280   ERROR_CREATE_EA_FILE
          Cannot create the EA file.

  281   ERROR_CANNOT_OPEN_EA_FILE
          Cannot open the EA file.

  282   ERROR_EAS_NOT_SUPPORTED
          Destination file system does not support EAs.

  283   ERROR_NEED_EAS_FOUND
          Destination file system does not support EAs, and the source file's
          EAs contain a need EA.

  284   ERROR_DUPLICATE_HANDLE
          The handle already exists.

  285   ERROR_DUPLICATE_NAME
          The name already exists.

  286   ERROR_EMPTY_MUXWAIT
          The list of semaphores in a muxwait semaphore is empty.

  287   ERROR_MUTEX_OWNED
          The calling thread owns one or more of the mutex semaphores in the
          list.

  288   ERROR_NOT_OWNER
          Caller does not own the semaphore.

  289   ERROR_PARAM_TOO_SMALL
          Parameter is not large enough to contain all of the semaphore
          records in the muxwait semaphore.

  290   ERROR_TOO_MANY_HANDLES
          Limit reached for number of handles.

  291   ERROR_TOO_MANY_OPENS
          There are too many files or semaphores open.

  292   ERROR_WRONG_TYPE
          Attempted to create wrong type of semaphore.

  293   ERROR_UNUSED_CODE
          Code is not used.

  294   ERROR_THREAD_NOT_TERMINATED
          Thread has not terminated.

  295   ERROR_INIT_ROUTINE_FAILED
          Initialization routine failed.

  296   ERROR_MODULE_IN_USE
          Module is in use.

  297   ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_WATCHPOINTS
          There are not enough watchpoints.

  298   ERROR_TOO_MANY_POSTS
          Post count limit was reached for an event semaphore.

  299   ERROR_ALREADY_POSTED
          Event semaphore is already posted.

  300   ERROR_ALREADY_RESET
          Event semaphore is already reset.

  301   ERROR_SEM_BUSY
          Semaphore is busy.

  302   Reserved


  303   ERROR_INVALID_PROCID
          Invalid process identity.

  304   ERROR_INVALID_PDELTA
          Invalid priority delta.

  305   ERROR_NOT_DESCENDANT
          Not descendant.

  306   ERROR_NOT_SESSION_MANAGER
          Requestor not session manager.

  307   ERROR_INVALID_PCLASS
          Invalid P class.

  308   ERROR_INVALID_SCOPE
          Invalid scope.

  309   ERROR_INVALID_THREADID
          Invalid thread identity.

  310   ERROR_DOSSUB_SHRINK
          Cannot shrink segment - DosSubSetMem.

  311   ERROR_DOSSUB_NOMEM
          No memory to satisfy request - DosSubAllocMem.

  312   ERROR_DOSSUB_OVERLAP
          Overlap of the specified block with a block of allocated memory -
          DosSubFreeMem.

  313   ERROR_DOSSUB_BADSIZE
          Invalid size parameter - DosSubAllocMem or DosSubFreeMem.

  314   ERROR_DOSSUB_BADFLAG
          Invalid flag parameter - DosSubSetMem.

  315   ERROR_DOSSUB_BADSELECTOR
          Invalid segment selector.

  316   ERROR_MR_MSG_TOO_LONG
          Message too long for buffer.

  317   ERROR_MR_MID_NOT_FOUND
          Message identity number not found.

  318   ERROR_MR_UN_ACC_MSGF
          Unable to access message file.

  319   ERROR_MR_INV_MSGF_FORMAT
          Invalid message file format.

  320   ERROR_MR_INV_IVCOUNT
          Invalid insertion variable count.

  321   ERROR_MR_UN_PERFORM
          Unable to perform function.

  322   ERROR_TS_WAKEUP
          Unable to wake up.

  323   ERROR_TS_SEMHANDLE
          Invalid system semaphore.

  324   ERROR_TS_NOTIMER
          No timers available.

  326   ERROR_TS_HANDLE
          Invalid timer handle.

  327   ERROR_TS_DATETIME
          Date or time invalid.

  328   ERROR_SYS_INTERNAL
          Internal system error.

  329   ERROR_QUE_CURRENT_NAME
          Current queue name does not exist.

  330   ERROR_QUE_PROC_NOT_OWNED
          Current process does not own queue.

  331   ERROR_QUE_PROC_OWNED
          Current process owns queue.

  332   ERROR_QUE_DUPLICATE
          Duplicate queue name.

  333   ERROR_QUE_ELEMENT_NOT_EXIST
          Queue element does not exist.

  334   ERROR_QUE_NO_MEMORY
          Inadequate queue memory.

  335   ERROR_QUE_INVALID_NAME
          Invalid queue name.

  336   ERROR_QUE_INVALID_PRIORITY
          Invalid queue priority parameter.

  337   ERROR_QUE_INVALID_HANDLE
          Invalid queue handle.

  338   ERROR_QUE_LINK_NOT_FOUND
          Queue link not found.

  339   ERROR_QUE_MEMORY_ERROR
          Queue memory error.

  340   ERROR_QUE_PREV_AT_END
          Previous queue element was at end of queue.

  341   ERROR_QUE_PROC_NO_ACCESS
          Process does not have access to queues.

  342   ERROR_QUE_EMPTY
          Queue is empty.

  343   ERROR_QUE_NAME_NOT_EXIST
          Queue name does not exist.

  344   ERROR_QUE_NOT_INITIALIZED
          Queues not initialized.

  345   ERROR_QUE_UNABLE_TO_ACCESS
          Unable to access queues.

  346   ERROR_QUE_UNABLE_TO_ADD
          Unable to add new queue.

  347   ERROR_QUE_UNABLE_TO_INIT
          Unable to initialize queues.

  349   ERROR_VIO_INVALID_MASK
          Invalid function replaced.

  350   ERROR_VIO_PTR
          Invalid pointer to parameter.

  351   ERROR_VIO_APTR
          Invalid pointer to attribute.

  352   ERROR_VIO_RPTR
          Invalid pointer to row.

  353   ERROR_VIO_CPTR
          Invalid pointer to column.

  354   ERROR_VIO_LPTR
          Invalid pointer to length.

  355   ERROR_VIO_MODE
          Unsupported screen mode.

  356   ERROR_VIO_WIDTH
          Invalid cursor width value.

  357   ERROR_VIO_ATTR
          Invalid cursor attribute value.

  358   ERROR_VIO_ROW
          Invalid row value.

  359   ERROR_VIO_COL
          Invalid column value.

  360   ERROR_VIO_TOPROW
          Invalid TopRow value.

  361   ERROR_VIO_BOTROW
          Invalid BotRow value.

  362   ERROR_VIO_RIGHTCOL
          Invalid right column value.

  363   ERROR_VIO_LEFTCOL
          Invalid left column value.

  364   ERROR_SCS_CALL
          Call issued by other than session manager.

  365   ERROR_SCS_VALUE
          Value is not for save or restore.

  366   ERROR_VIO_WAIT_FLAG
          Invalid wait flag setting.

  367   ERROR_VIO_UNLOCK
          Screen not previously locked.

  368   ERROR_SGS_NOT_SESSION_MGR
          Caller not session manager.

  369   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_SGID
          Invalid session identity.

  369   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_SESSION_ID
          Invalid session ID.

  370   ERROR_SMG_NOSG
          No sessions available.

  370   ERROR_SMG_NO_SESSIONS
          No sessions available.

  371   ERROR_SMG_GRP_NOT_FOUND
          Session not found.

  371   ERROR_SMG_SESSION_NOT_FOUND
          Session not found.

  372   ERROR_SMG_SET_TITLE
          Title sent by shell or parent cannot be changed.

  373   ERROR_KBD_PARAMETER
          Invalid parameter to keyboard.

  374   ERROR_KBD_NO_DEVICE
          No device.

  375   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_IOWAIT
          Invalid I/O wait specified.

  376   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_LENGTH
          Invalid length for keyboard.

  377   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_ECHO_MASK
          Invalid echo mode mask.

  378   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_INPUT_MASK
          Invalid input mode mask.

  379   ERROR_MON_INVALID_PARMS
          Invalid parameters to DosMon.

  380   ERROR_MON_INVALID_DEVNAME
          Invalid device name string.

  381   ERROR_MON_INVALID_HANDLE
          Invalid device handle.

  382   ERROR_MON_BUFFER_TOO_SMALL
          Buffer too small.

  383   ERROR_MON_BUFFER_EMPTY
          Buffer is empty.

  384   ERROR_MON_DATA_TOO_LARGE
          Data record is too large.

  385   ERROR_MOUSE_NO_DEVICE
          Mouse device closed (invalid device handle).

  386   ERROR_MOUSE_INV_HANDLE
          Mouse device closed (invalid device handle).

  387   ERROR_MOUSE_INV_PARMS
          Parameters invalid for display mode.

  388   ERROR_MOUSE_CANT_RESET
          Function assigned and cannot be reset.

  389   ERROR_MOUSE_DISPLAY_PARMS
          Parameters invalid for display mode.

  390   ERROR_MOUSE_INV_MODULE
          Module not valid.

  391   ERROR_MOUSE_INV_ENTRY_PT
          Entry point not valid.

  392   ERROR_MOUSE_INV_MASK
          Function mask invalid.

  393   NO_ERROR_MOUSE_NO_DATA
          No valid data.

  394   NO_ERROR_MOUSE_PTR_DRAWN
          Pointer drawn.

  395   ERROR_INVALID_FREQUENCY
          Invalid frequency for beep.

  396   ERROR_NLS_NO_COUNTRY_FILE
          Cannot find COUNTRY.SYS file.

  397   ERROR_NLS_OPEN_FAILED
          Cannot open COUNTRY.SYS file.

  398   ERROR_NLS_NO_CTRY_CODE
          Country code not found.

  398   ERROR_NO_COUNTRY_OR_CODEPAGE
          Country code not found.

  399   ERROR_NLS_TABLE_TRUNCATED
          Table returned information truncated, buffer is too small.

  400   ERROR_NLS_BAD_TYPE
          Selected type does not exist.

  401   ERROR_NLS_TYPE_NOT_FOUND
          Selected type is not in file.

  402   ERROR_VIO_SMG_ONLY
          Valid from session manager only.

  403   ERROR_VIO_INVALID_ASCIIZ
          Invalid ASCIIZ length.

  404   ERROR_VIO_DEREGISTER
          VioDeRegister not allowed.

  405   ERROR_VIO_NO_POPUP
          Pop-up window not allocated.

  406   ERROR_VIO_EXISTING_POPUP
          Pop-up window on screen (NoWait).

  407   ERROR_KBD_SMG_ONLY
          Valid from session manager only.

  408   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_ASCIIZ
          Invalid ASCIIZ length.

  409   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_MASK
          Invalid replacement mask.

  410   ERROR_KBD_REGISTER
          KbdRegister not allowed.

  411   ERROR_KBD_DEREGISTER
          KbdDeRegister not allowed.

  412   ERROR_MOUSE_SMG_ONLY
          Valid from session manager only.

  413   ERROR_MOUSE_INVALID_ASCIIZ
          Invalid ASCIIZ length.

  414   ERROR_MOUSE_INVALID_MASK
          Invalid replacement mask.

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+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [e-mail]                                    18-Dec-99 14:33:07
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: (3/3) Re: Error Codes

  415   ERROR_MOUSE_REGISTER
          Mouse register not allowed.

  416   ERROR_MOUSE_DEREGISTER
          Mouse deregister not allowed.

  417   ERROR_SMG_BAD_ACTION
          Invalid action specified.

  418   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_CALL
          INIT called more than once, or invalid session identity.

  419   ERROR_SCS_SG_NOTFOUND
          New session number.

  420   ERROR_SCS_NOT_SHELL
          Caller is not shell.

  421   ERROR_VIO_INVALID_PARMS
          Invalid parameters passed.

  422   ERROR_VIO_FUNCTION_OWNED
          Save/restore already owned.

  423   ERROR_VIO_RETURN
          Non-destruct return (undo).

  424   ERROR_SCS_INVALID_FUNCTION
          Caller invalid function.

  425   ERROR_SCS_NOT_SESSION_MGR
          Caller not session manager.

  426   ERROR_VIO_REGISTER
          Vio register not allowed.

  427   ERROR_VIO_NO_MODE_THREAD
          No mode restore thread in SG.

  428   ERROR_VIO_NO_SAVE_RESTORE_THD
          No save/restore thread in SG.

  429   ERROR_VIO_IN_BG
          Function invalid in background.

  430   ERROR_VIO_ILLEGAL_DURING_POPUP
          Function not allowed during pop-up window.

  431   ERROR_SMG_NOT_BASESHELL
          Caller is not the base shell.

  432   ERROR_SMG_BAD_STATUSREQ
          Invalid status requested.

  433   ERROR_QUE_INVALID_WAIT
          NoWait parameter out of bounds.

  434   ERROR_VIO_LOCK
          Error returned from Scroll Lock.

  435   ERROR_MOUSE_INVALID_IOWAIT
          Invalid parameters for IOWait.

  436   ERROR_VIO_INVALID_HANDLE
          Invalid VIO handle.

  437   ERROR_VIO_ILLEGAL_DURING_LOCK
          Function not allowed during screen lock.

  438   ERROR_VIO_INVALID_LENGTH
          Invalid VIO length.

  439   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_HANDLE
          Invalid KBD handle.

  440   ERROR_KBD_NO_MORE_HANDLE
          Ran out of handles.

  441   ERROR_KBD_CANNOT_CREATE_KCB
          Unable to create kcb.

  442   ERROR_KBD_CODEPAGE_LOAD_INCOMPL
          Unsuccessful code-page load.

  443   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_CODEPAGE_ID
          Invalid code-page identity.

  444   ERROR_KBD_NO_CODEPAGE_SUPPORT
          No code page support.

  445   ERROR_KBD_FOCUS_REQUIRED
          Keyboard focus required.

  446   ERROR_KBD_FOCUS_ALREADY_ACTIVE
          Calling thread has an outstanding focus.

  447   ERROR_KBD_KEYBOARD_BUSY
          Keyboard is busy.

  448   ERROR_KBD_INVALID_CODEPAGE
          Invalid code page.

  449   ERROR_KBD_UNABLE_TO_FOCUS
          Focus attempt failed.

  450   ERROR_SMG_SESSION_NON_SELECT
          Session is not selectable.

  451   ERROR_SMG_SESSION_NOT_FOREGRND
          Parent/child session is not foreground.

  452   ERROR_SMG_SESSION_NOT_PARENT
          Not parent of requested child.

  453   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_START_MODE
          Invalid session start mode.

  454   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_RELATED_OPT
          Invalid session start related option.

  455   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_BOND_OPTION
          Invalid session bond option.

  456   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_SELECT_OPT
          Invalid session select option.

  457   ERROR_SMG_START_IN_BACKGROUND
          Session started in background.

  458   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_STOP_OPTION
          Invalid session stop option.

  459   ERROR_SMG_BAD_RESERVE
          Reserved parameters are not zero.

  460   ERROR_SMG_PROCESS_NOT_PARENT
          Session parent process already exists.

  461   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_DATA_LENGTH
          Invalid data length.

  462   ERROR_SMG_NOT_BOUND
          Parent is not bound.

  463   ERROR_SMG_RETRY_SUB_ALLOC
          Retry request block allocation.

  464   ERROR_KBD_DETACHED
          This call is not allowed for a detached PID.

  465   ERROR_VIO_DETACHED
          This call is not allowed for a detached PID.

  466   ERROR_MOU_DETACHED
          This call is not allowed for a detached PID.

  467   ERROR_VIO_FONT
          No font is available to support the mode.

  468   ERROR_VIO_USER_FONT
          User font is active.

  469   ERROR_VIO_BAD_CP
          Invalid code page specified.

  470   ERROR_VIO_NO_CP
          System displays do not support code page.

  471   ERROR_VIO_NA_CP
          Current display does not support code page.

  472   ERROR_INVALID_CODE_PAGE
          Invalid code page.

  473   ERROR_CPLIST_TOO_SMALL
          Code page list is too small.

  474   ERROR_CP_NOT_MOVED
          Code page was not moved.

  475   ERROR_MODE_SWITCH_INIT
          Mode switch initialization error.

  476   ERROR_CODE_PAGE_NOT_FOUND
          Code page was not found.

  477   ERROR_UNEXPECTED_SLOT_RETURNED
          Internal error.

  478   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_TRACE_OPTION
          Invalid start session trace indicator.

  479   ERROR_VIO_INTERNAL_RESOURCE
          VIO internal resource error.

  480   ERROR_VIO_SHELL_INIT
          VIO shell initialization error.

  481   ERROR_SMG_NO_HARD_ERRORS
          No session manager hard errors.

  482   ERROR_CP_SWITCH_INCOMPLETE
          DosSetProcessCp is unable to set a KBD or VIO code page.

  483   ERROR_VIO_TRANSPARENT_POPUP
          Error during VIO pop-up window.

  484   ERROR_CRITSEC_OVERFLOW
          Critical section overflow.

  485   ERROR_CRITSEC_UNDERFLOW
          Critical section underflow.

  486   ERROR_VIO_BAD_RESERVE
          Reserved parameter is not zero.

  487   ERROR_INVALID_ADDRESS
          Invalid physical address.

  488   ERROR_ZERO_SELECTORS_REQUESTED
          At least one selector must be requested.

  489   ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_SELECTORS_AVA
          Not enough GDT selectors to satisfy request.

  490   ERROR_INVALID_SELECTOR
          Not a GDT selector.

  491   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_PROGRAM_TYPE
          Invalid program type.

  492   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_PGM_CONTROL
          Invalid program control.

  493   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_INHERIT_OPT
          Invalid inherit option.

  494   ERROR_VIO_EXTENDED_SG


  495   ERROR_VIO_NOT_PRES_MGR_SG


  496   ERROR_VIO_SHIELD_OWNED


  497   ERROR_VIO_NO_MORE_HANDLES


  498   ERROR_VIO_SEE_ERROR_LOG


  499   ERROR_VIO_ASSOCIATED_DC


  500   ERROR_KBD_NO_CONSOLE


  501   ERROR_MOUSE_NO_CONSOLE


  502   ERROR_MOUSE_INVALID_HANDLE


  503   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_DEBUG_PARMS


  504   ERROR_KBD_EXTENDED_SG


  505   ERROR_MOU_EXTENDED_SG


  506   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_ICON_FILE


  507   ERROR_TRC_PID_NON_EXISTENT


  508   ERROR_TRC_COUNT_ACTIVE


  509   ERROR_TRC_SUSPENDED_BY_COUNT


  510   ERROR_TRC_COUNT_INACTIVE


  511   ERROR_TRC_COUNT_REACHED


  512   ERROR_NO_MC_TRACE


  513   ERROR_MC_TRACE


  514   ERROR_TRC_COUNT_ZERO


  515   ERROR_SMG_TOO_MANY_DDS


  516   ERROR_SMG_INVALID_NOTIFICATION


  517   ERROR_LF_INVALID_FUNCTION


  518   ERROR_LF_NOT_AVAIL


  519   ERROR_LF_SUSPENDED


  520   ERROR_LF_BUF_TOO_SMALL


  521   ERROR_LF_BUFFER_CORRUPTED


  521   ERROR_LF_BUFFER_FULL


  522   ERROR_LF_INVALID_DAEMON


  522   ERROR_LF_INVALID_RECORD


  523   ERROR_LF_INVALID_TEMPL


  523   ERROR_LF_INVALID_SERVICE


  524   ERROR_LF_GENERAL_FAILURE


  525   ERROR_LF_INVALID_ID


  526   ERROR_LF_INVALID_HANDLE


  527   ERROR_LF_NO_ID_AVAIL


  528   ERROR_LF_TEMPLATE_AREA_FULL


  529   ERROR_LF_ID_IN_USE


  530   ERROR_MOU_NOT_INITIALIZED


  531   ERROR_MOUINITREAL_DONE


  532   ERROR_DOSSUB_CORRUPTED


  533   ERROR_MOUSE_CALLER_NOT_SUBSYS


  534   ERROR_ARITHMETIC_OVERFLOW


  535   ERROR_TMR_NO_DEVICE


  536   ERROR_TMR_INVALID_TIME


  537   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_ENTITY


  538   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_ENTITY_TYPE


  539   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_SPEC


  540   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_RANGE_TYPE


  541   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_COUNTER_BLK


  542   ERROR_PVW_INVALID_TEXT_BLK


  543   ERROR_PRF_NOT_INITIALIZED


  544   ERROR_PRF_ALREADY_INITIALIZED


  545   ERROR_PRF_NOT_STARTED


  546   ERROR_PRF_ALREADY_STARTED


  547   ERROR_PRF_TIMER_OUT_OF_RANGE


  548   ERROR_PRF_TIMER_RESET


  639   ERROR_VDD_LOCK_USEAGE_DENIED


  640   ERROR_TIMEOUT


  641   ERROR_VDM_DOWN


  642   ERROR_VDM_LIMIT


  643   ERROR_VDD_NOT_FOUND


  644   ERROR_INVALID_CALLER


  645   ERROR_PID_MISMATCH


  646   ERROR_INVALID_VDD_HANDLE


  647   ERROR_VLPT_NO_SPOOLER


  648   ERROR_VCOM_DEVICE_BUSY


  649   ERROR_VLPT_DEVICE_BUSY


  650   ERROR_NESTING_TOO_DEEP


  651   ERROR_VDD_MISSING


  691   ERROR_IMP_INVALID_PARM


  692   ERROR_IMP_INVALID_LENGTH


  693   MSG_HPFS_DISK_ERROR_WARN


  730   ERROR_MON_BAD_BUFFER


  731   ERROR_MODULE_CORRUPTED


  2055   ERROR_LF_TIMEOUT


  2057   ERROR_LF_SUSPEND_SUCCESS


  2058   ERROR_LF_RESUME_SUCCESS


  2059   ERROR_LF_REDIRECT_SUCCESS


  2060   ERROR_LF_REDIRECT_FAILURE


  32768   ERROR_SWAPPER_NOT_ACTIVE


  32769   ERROR_INVALID_SWAPID


  32770   ERROR_IOERR_SWAP_FILE


  32771   ERROR_SWAP_TABLE_FULL


  32772   ERROR_SWAP_FILE_FULL


  32773   ERROR_CANT_INIT_SWAPPER


  32774   ERROR_SWAPPER_ALREADY_INIT


  32775   ERROR_PMM_INSUFFICIENT_MEMORY


  32776   ERROR_PMM_INVALID_FLAGS


  32777   ERROR_PMM_INVALID_ADDRESS


  32778   ERROR_PMM_LOCK_FAILED


  32779   ERROR_PMM_UNLOCK_FAILED


  32780   ERROR_PMM_MOVE_INCOMPLETE


  32781   ERROR_UCOM_DRIVE_RENAMED


  32782   ERROR_UCOM_FILENAME_TRUNCATED


  32783   ERROR_UCOM_BUFFER_LENGTH


  32784   ERROR_MON_CHAIN_HANDLE


  32785   ERROR_MON_NOT_REGISTERED


  32786   ERROR_SMG_ALREADY_TOP


  32787   ERROR_PMM_ARENA_MODIFIED


  32788   ERROR_SMG_PRINTER_OPEN


  32789   ERROR_PMM_SET_FLAGS_FAILED


  32790   ERROR_INVALID_DOS_DD


  32791   ERROR_BLOCKED


  32792   ERROR_NOBLOCK


  32793   ERROR_INSTANCE_SHARED


  32794   ERROR_NO_OBJECT


  32795   ERROR_PARTIAL_ATTACH


  32796   ERROR_INCACHE


  32797   ERROR_SWAP_IO_PROBLEMS


  32798   ERROR_CROSSES_OBJECT_BOUNDARY


  32799   ERROR_LONGLOCK


  32800   ERROR_SHORTLOCK


  32801   ERROR_UVIRTLOCK


  32802   ERROR_ALIASLOCK


  32803   ERROR_ALIAS


  32804   ERROR_NO_MORE_HANDLES


  32805   ERROR_SCAN_TERMINATED


  32806   ERROR_TERMINATOR_NOT_FOUND


  32807   ERROR_NOT_DIRECT_CHILD


  32808   ERROR_DELAY_FREE


  32809   ERROR_GUARDPAGE


  32900   ERROR_SWAPERROR


  32901   ERROR_LDRERROR


  32902   ERROR_NOMEMORY


  32903   ERROR_NOACCESS


  32904   ERROR_NO_DLL_TERM


  65026   ERROR_CPSIO_CODE_PAGE_INVALID


  65027   ERROR_CPSIO_NO_SPOOLER


  65028   ERROR_CPSIO_FONT_ID_INVALID


  65033   ERROR_CPSIO_INTERNAL_ERROR


  65034   ERROR_CPSIO_INVALID_PTR_NAME


  65037   ERROR_CPSIO_NOT_ACTIVE


  65039   ERROR_CPSIO_PID_FULL


  65040   ERROR_CPSIO_PID_NOT_FOUND


  65043   ERROR_CPSIO_READ_CTL_SEQ


  65045   ERROR_CPSIO_READ_FNT_DEF


  65047   ERROR_CPSIO_WRITE_ERROR


  65048   ERROR_CPSIO_WRITE_FULL_ERROR


  65049   ERROR_CPSIO_WRITE_HANDLE_BAD


  65074   ERROR_CPSIO_SWIT_LOAD


  65077   ERROR_CPSIO_INV_COMMAND


  65078   ERROR_CPSIO_NO_FONT_SWIT


  65079   ERROR_ENTRY_IS_CALLGATE




--===_385B8D6C_==--

--- WtrGate+ v0.93.p7 sn 165
 * Origin: Usenet: TIN (1:109/42)

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

From: [e-mail]                             18-Dec-99 01:54:19
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Don Hills)

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sure you can.  You can disable the ability for them to run CMD.EXE.  But I
was
>thinking of locking it down by making the system and applications directories
>non-writable and non-deletable.  They can go to town on the machine and still
>not screw up the configuration.

You can't stop Word running CMD.EXE for you, though. As for removing
permissions from directories, I spent much of last year fixing the
messes caused by people finding ways to destroy things that they
shouldn't have been able to get to. And the funny part of it is, the
users were all police officers...

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: [e-mail]                              19-Dec-99 00:58:27
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: "J. Clarke" <[e-mail]>

Saw a Star, once, on a trip to Boeing.  Didn't get to do more than glance at
it, but my impression was that it was a _gorgeous_ machine.

Friend of mine saw one the other day, sitting out by the curb for the trash
people.  Didn't know what it was so he took the Compaq that was sitting next
to it.  When he told me about it we went back but it was gone, alas--I
_hope_ that someone is giving it a good home.

--

---

--- John

Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net

Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> > : Not even close.  GEM existed by then, as did Windows 2, and there were
about
> > : half a dozen PC UNIXen with X11 support by then (I used three of
them).  So
> > : not only did the PC have OSs with GUIs, it even had them with fully
> > : distributed GUIs -- something OS/2 can't claim even today.
> >
> > I'm not sure I would call X11 a "GUI". At least in my books (and
probably
> > many others), X11 or X-Windows is strictly a window manager. It doesn't
do
> > anything but exactly that, manage your windows. It's got window frames,
> > and it's got icons, but you can't do anything with those icons, just
> > minimize and maximize. Now slap on GNOME or KDE on top of that, now you
> > have a GUI.
>
> Strictly speaking X11 is just a remote rendering system.  The rest are
> applications.  A window manager application does a lot of what you expect
from
> a GUI (frames around the windows, icon management, and such).  A
collection of
> tools and libraries makes up the rest.  X11 of course had all of that (and
by
> 1988 had a whole bunch of different window managers) albeit a bit clunky
and
> ugly.  "Just minimize and maximize" was pretty much what you'd get from
uwm,
> but awm and twm and a handful of others were a lot more functional.  There
was
> even a funky lisp-based window manager.
>
> > And why is it so important to be the first PC with a GUI? Even though
> > other computers had it. Remember Atari ST machines? The Amiga?
> > Heck, maybe those of you old enough will remember Commodore-64's running
> > with GEOS!
>
> I sure do remember GEOS, and the ST, and the Amiga.  The ST was
> super-interesting because it was a terrific MIDI control system.  I had a
> friend who called it "the poor man's Mac".  Honestly I thought the Amiga
was
> better done.  The Apple IIgs was out around that time as I remember too;
> wasn't that ProDOS with a GUI shell?  I also remember the Lisa, it died
the
> death it deserved (though not as quickly or spectacularly as the Apple
///).
> Never saw an Alto or Star though.
>
> jim


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From: [e-mail]                              19-Dec-99 01:00:14
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: "J. Clarke" <[e-mail]>

How soon do you need it?  I'm pretty sure I've got a copy but I'm not going
to be able to get at it for a few weeks.

--

---

--- John

Reply to jclarke at eye bee em dot net
Nino <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:[e-mail]...
> Hi all fellow OS/2 users out there...
>
> I'm Nino Solazzo, I'm a student at 'La Sapienza' in Rome. I am building
> the basis to my next exam on operating systems. My teacher assigned me
> a research on history of PC and, in order to complete my research, I
> would like to quote and illustrate deepily OS/2, it's importance on PC
> and PS/2 evolution, write an article on it and take screenshots of the
> most important versions and releases of it.
>
> A real important version of OS/2 is OS/2 1.1 of which, unfortunately, I
> don't have a working version; this is the reason why I am asking your
> help here.
>
> OS/2 1.1 was released back in 1989, beta testing started in 1988;
> Shortly after it's release, OS/2 1.20 came out, with a new filesystem,
> HPFS and new features. But OS/2 1.1 was maybe the most important OS/2
> version ever : it's most important feature was PM, Presentation Manager,
> fast
> and reliable, that we still use today when running Warp. OS/2 1.1 is
> thus the first operating system for PC with a GUI, the first OS/2 with
> Presentation Manager. Yes, it has probably no value today except than an
> historical one.
>
> A brief note : Windows, of course, is not ,except WinNT, a real
> operating system. Why? Try to run it without DOS...Windows 98 is only a
> GUI for the same old DOS we've been using duing the past 15 years. Not
> to mention previous Windows releases.
>
> What I am asking you here is to help me, to send me a copy of OS/2 1.1
> if you have one. I still don't have a working version of it. If you
> could send me only the first installation disk of OS/2 1.1 it would be
> very
> appreciated. My only purpose, aside my exam, is to give OS/2 the
> importance, the respect it deserves in PC and PS/2's history.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Nino Solazzo
>
> P.S. I am sorry for any off-topic generated. I am not interested in any
> other version than OS/2 1.1 . Thanks
>
>


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From: [e-mail]                              19-Dec-99 01:08:03
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "J. Clarke" <[e-mail]>

Tim Rosnau <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
> >
> > Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > > > I never said that Microsoft wasn't breaking the law.  I said that
the
> > > > laws were wrong, and I said that Microsoft had done nothing wrong.
> > >
> > > If MicroSoft broke the laws, which you acknowledge they did, then by
> > > definition they did wrong. You cannot have it any other way in the
real
> > > world.
> >
> > I guess you're just too closed-minded to see that laws can, in fact, be
> > unjust, which means that someone doing something perfectly ethical can
in
> > fact be breaking the law.
>
> Could you please enlighten us with an example of somebody doing
> something ethical which is also against the law? (and please don't
> use Microsoft as an example)

From American history it was at one time unlawful to harbor an escaped
slave.  So which is less ethical, to turn him in or to break the law?

<snip>

--

---

--- John

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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 11:27:07
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff)

I don't remember, but I saved an archived copy in 6/99.

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:37:23, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> What is the "latest" scrollmouse driver? I have only ever seen one on
> the IBM site.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Mark Klebanoff wrote:
> >
> > I dunno.  I have a trackman wheel and the wheel works fine with the
> > latest scrollms release.  It never worked in any previous release,
> > however.  The middle button doesn't work, however.
> >


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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 11:28:09
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff)

The mouseman is a mouse, the trackman a trackball.  The driver
probably works with either.  I have a trackball and it works fine

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:57:34, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
> Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
> trackballs and mice, were there?
>
> Alan
>
>
> Alan Beagley wrote:
> >
> > I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
> > ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.


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From: [e-mail]                      19-Dec-99 00:21:01
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 14:32:15
Subj: Re: +++GET YOUR FREE PENTIUM CELERON-300+++____________________________

From: "Andy Bustamante" <[e-mail]>

You probably get a Celeron CPU. . . just add motherboard, RAM, case, disks,
. . . .

I think it's called marketing.


--
Andy Bustamante
[e-mail]
drop the ascii 95's to reply
John R. Sellers <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:83e3fa$78g$[e-mail]...
> PC for$9.99?  It's just a bunch o' bullsh!t anyway.  DUH.
>
>
> --
> ===========
> "As a human being, one has been endowed with just enough intelligence to
be
> able to see clearly how utterly inadequate that intelligence is when
> confronted with what exists." -- Albert Einstein
>
> "Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects."  -- Will Rogers
>
> I may be insane, but I'm not stupid. -- Me (added on a whim)
>
> "iobus" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
> news:[e-mail]...
> >
> > So is it Pentium or Celeron? Can't be both at the same time!
> >
> > (God damn these moron cheaters!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > The Winter War
> > http://tiedotus01.mil.fi/servlets/Timer?book=talvisota_eng
>
>



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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 12:11:03
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 16:35:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail]

 larso@commodore. (Lars P Ormberg) said:

Larso we haven't hear as much from you. I was hoping you had gone off to
do some real studying, but alas I see you're the same asshole.

>As I stepped out onto the Stoop, I saw PL write:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:13:22 -0700, "Steven C. Britton"
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> >They should educate themselves BEFORE going to work.
>> Well even better. Get a union in. They will ensure the workplace is
>> safe.
>Until somebody dares cross a picket line.

What have you done, merged brains with Britton? This is more of his crap
that he can't document, nor can you.


>> >Not everything is easy.  I never said it was -- but the choice is always
>> >there.
>> Yes you forgot one. Get a union in. You will keep your job, not lose
>> any pay and get a better company to work for.
>Unless, of course, you don't keep the job.

As others have pointed out, when management opens the books unions have
reduced wages.   Management almost never wants to open the books. And I'm
sure the logic of this problems can't be absorbed by your closed mind, but
it was worth a shot.


>> >Then they should get educated.  Don't treat the symptom, cure the disease.
>> Well one way to cure the disease is to raise the minimum wage so that
>> they can afford to got back to school.
>Minimum wages are a curse, not a cure.

>> >Raising minimum wage would harm ALL businesses.
>> Nope. Raising the minimum wage allows people to spend more at
>> Mcdonalds once in awhile. Gee they will even sell more cheese burgers
>> and fries.
>That's an econommic fallacy and you know it...(maybe).

Your position has been studied and proven to be completely wrong.  In fact
there was studied using Mcdonalds a few years ago in the PA-NJ area and
all the data showed exactly the opposite of your position.



_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 12:59:14
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 16:35:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail]

 [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros) said:

>>I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University of
>>Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
>>university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
>>country, and the world.

>>A copy of this message is being sent to the university.
>>
>Now, that's ridiculous.  If every university which graduated a looney was
>boycotted by employers, there wouldn't be a post-grad in the country
>still working.

No its not. Society needs to filter out the loony tunes. Might as well use
the university system as anything else.  -- And frankly, considering some
of the stuff I see coming from these folks, we should have started a long
time ago.


_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                  19-Dec-99 17:52:29
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 16:35:02
Subj: My first reinstallation failure

From: [e-mail] (Stephen Gaspar)

Holiday greetings

My home computer is a P3 450 with loads of memory and a SCSI HDD, from
indelible-blue.  It -was- running Warp 4 FP9.

Last week in the wee hours I hosed my system so well that I have to
reistall OS/2 (This happens sometimes, especially in the wee hours.
Please, no details -- too embarrassing.)  But this time, I can't seem to
reinstall.

Things look normal thru the "preinstall" phase (i.e. changing floppies,
logo, fdisk, drive selection and formatting etc), copying files from the
cdrom, recopying some from Disk 1 and Disk 2 (copyfromfloppy=1 on account
of the SCSI adapter mostly) and on and on, up to the prolonged blue screen
that says "Install is now installing the installer" or words to that
effect. The slash and backslash go back and forth for several minutes.  So
far so good.

Then the system reboots -- and there's the rub.  I get a light-gray screen
with an error message box telling me "The program pointed to by the SET
RUNWORKPLACE= line in CONFIG.SYS, this file, is not able to start.
WinStartApps returns %1" or words to that effect.  No error memory
location or registry information is offered. No syserror number is given,
but the message seems pretty clear. The system is frozen, and I have to
power off.

When I look at config.sys (after booting a command line and chkdsking it
twice), the RUNWORKPLACE is \os2\pmshell.exe. The file is where it ought
to be, i.e. d:\os2\pmshell.exe. I doubt the file itself is corrupt since I
have tried this re-installation with two different cdroms, and gotten
identical failures.

Very puzzling to me is the fact that, several months ago, I had occasion
to reinstall, and I had no problems. As near as I can tell, I am using the
same DISK 1 that was successful a few months ago.  I have made no hardware
changes meantime.

Could the problem lie in DISK 1?  A lot of files had to be deleted from
the original "out of the box" DISK 1 to get the humongous SCSI driver
AIC78u2.add onto the disk. I guess maybe I deleted a file that pmshell
needs?  Although at that late point in the install, I would think the
contents of DISK 1 would be irrelevant.  But maybe not.  Anyway, I believe
I am using the same DISK 1 that I used for a problem-free reinstall a few
months ago.

(I would be using the DISK 1 indelible-blue sent me, but it never did
work. I get a "System failed to start" on a black screen, when I put in
DISK 2, right after the scsi driver loads. The DISK 1 config.sys sets
sysinst1.exe as protshell, and sysinst2.exe as os2_shell OK, so I guess
maybe config.sys doesn't load some other file critical for sysinst1 or
sysinst2, but that's just a guess.  Funny though that I can't install
using i-b's DISK1, since that is supposed to be the disk they used to
preinstall Warp on my computer at the factory! Anyway I made my own DISK 1
a few months back, which as I say worked fine.)

If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate hearing them.  If an
installation failure of this type has been discussed already, I apologize
in advance but would appreciate a hint as to where I might read the
discussion.  In the absence of any better ideas I am assuming I kept the
wrong DISK 1 months ago, and the one I have is -not- the one that worked
before.  Although I doubt it.  I'm futzing around with DISK 1, trying to
make sure all the files are the original 1996 version to match the 1996
pmshell (the one that is in \os2\ at the time of installation failure).

Of course I can send a directory listing of DISK 1, and config.sys if
anybody thinks that will help.  If you have nothing to do during the
holidays, I can even send you a memory dump in a box, and a nice big box
that will be too :-) -- well, I can't really, since when installation
fails the machine freezes.

Good holidays to all

Steve Gaspar





--
Steve Gaspar         ***********************************************
Philadelphia         **************** I HAS SPOKEN  ****************
[e-mail]     ******************    -- Mammy Yokum    *******

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From: [e-mail]                                 19-Dec-99 20:43:07
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 19:57:00
Subj: Re: My first reinstallation failure

From: [e-mail] (David LaRue)

  Hello Steve,

  I have a similar computer and installation and have some time to help you
out.  I'll be gone Thursday through Monday but other than that I'll be around.

  You didn't mention your particular reason for failure this time.  Perhaps it
is related to why Warp can't finish booting or installing.  I presume there
are
things on the system you would like to recover without resorting to a clean
install.  Nothing in your description sounds out of place or wrong.  If you
don't
mind losing your Work Place Shell settings (they may be corrupted anyway)
try recreating the INI files.  This would certainly cause PMSHELL to hang.
You may be able to find a good set of INIs (OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI) in the
C:\OS2\ARCHIVES directory.  It sounds like you can boot to the command
shell okay.  Things aren't to badly damaged.

  You can remake the INIs by typing the following commands in the C:\OS2
directory:

DELETE OS2.INI
DELETE OS2SYS.INI
MAKEINI OS2.INI INI.RC
MAKEINI OS2SYS.INI INISYS.RC

At this point you can try and reboot.  If this works it was the INIs or
something
that they were pointing to that was the problem.

  Let us know how you are doing.  You can also email me if you like.

  Good luck,

  David LaRue
  [e-mail]

 <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stephen Gaspar)
writes:
>Holiday greetings
>
>My home computer is a P3 450 with loads of memory and a SCSI HDD, from
>indelible-blue.  It -was- running Warp 4 FP9.
>
>Last week in the wee hours I hosed my system so well that I have to
>reistall OS/2 (This happens sometimes, especially in the wee hours.
>Please, no details -- too embarrassing.)  But this time, I can't seem to
>reinstall.
>
>Things look normal thru the "preinstall" phase (i.e. changing floppies,
>logo, fdisk, drive selection and formatting etc), copying files from the
>cdrom, recopying some from Disk 1 and Disk 2 (copyfromfloppy=1 on account
>of the SCSI adapter mostly) and on and on, up to the prolonged blue screen
>that says "Install is now installing the installer" or words to that
>effect. The slash and backslash go back and forth for several minutes.  So
>far so good.
>
>Then the system reboots -- and there's the rub.  I get a light-gray screen
>with an error message box telling me "The program pointed to by the SET
>RUNWORKPLACE= line in CONFIG.SYS, this file, is not able to start.
>WinStartApps returns %1" or words to that effect.  No error memory
>location or registry information is offered. No syserror number is given,
>but the message seems pretty clear. The system is frozen, and I have to
>power off.
>
>When I look at config.sys (after booting a command line and chkdsking it
>twice), the RUNWORKPLACE is \os2\pmshell.exe. The file is where it ought
>to be, i.e. d:\os2\pmshell.exe. I doubt the file itself is corrupt since I
>have tried this re-installation with two different cdroms, and gotten
>identical failures.
>
>Very puzzling to me is the fact that, several months ago, I had occasion
>to reinstall, and I had no problems. As near as I can tell, I am using the
>same DISK 1 that was successful a few months ago.  I have made no hardware
>changes meantime.
>
>Could the problem lie in DISK 1?  A lot of files had to be deleted from
>the original "out of the box" DISK 1 to get the humongous SCSI driver
>AIC78u2.add onto the disk. I guess maybe I deleted a file that pmshell
>needs?  Although at that late point in the install, I would think the
>contents of DISK 1 would be irrelevant.  But maybe not.  Anyway, I believe
>I am using the same DISK 1 that I used for a problem-free reinstall a few
>months ago.
>
>(I would be using the DISK 1 indelible-blue sent me, but it never did
>work. I get a "System failed to start" on a black screen, when I put in
>DISK 2, right after the scsi driver loads. The DISK 1 config.sys sets
>sysinst1.exe as protshell, and sysinst2.exe as os2_shell OK, so I guess
>maybe config.sys doesn't load some other file critical for sysinst1 or
>sysinst2, but that's just a guess.  Funny though that I can't install
>using i-b's DISK1, since that is supposed to be the disk they used to
>preinstall Warp on my computer at the factory! Anyway I made my own DISK 1
>a few months back, which as I say worked fine.)
>
>If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate hearing them.  If an
>installation failure of this type has been discussed already, I apologize
>in advance but would appreciate a hint as to where I might read the
>discussion.  In the absence of any better ideas I am assuming I kept the
>wrong DISK 1 months ago, and the one I have is -not- the one that worked
>before.  Although I doubt it.  I'm futzing around with DISK 1, trying to
>make sure all the files are the original 1996 version to match the 1996
>pmshell (the one that is in \os2\ at the time of installation failure).
>
>Of course I can send a directory listing of DISK 1, and config.sys if
>anybody thinks that will help.  If you have nothing to do during the
>holidays, I can even send you a memory dump in a box, and a nice big box
>that will be too :-) -- well, I can't really, since when installation
>fails the machine freezes.
>
>Good holidays to all
>
>Steve Gaspar
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Steve Gaspar         ***********************************************
>Philadelphia         **************** I HAS SPOKEN  ****************
>[e-mail]     ******************    -- Mammy Yokum    *******

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From: [e-mail]                               19-Dec-99 13:31:19
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 19:57:00
Subj: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)

You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
point.


[e-mail](Fritz Oppliger) KE6VDA

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From: [e-mail]                            19-Dec-99 23:22:04
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

From: [e-mail] (Maurice Batey)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:29:46, [e-mail]
wrote:

> I would recommend 1.1.6 if you aren't going to take the time to install the
1.1.8 fixes

Thanks, Karen. I will when I find a d/l site.
(Could find no ref. to Java d/l's at
service.software.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/index.htm)

Maurice Batey
(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

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From: [e-mail]                                19-Dec-99 19:32:16
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: New os2dasd basedev questions

From: Ron Vopicka <[e-mail]>

Dale Winters wrote:
>
> Have seen some mention of a new os2basd driver. I can not find it.Can
> some kind soul point
> me in the right direction,please ?
>

os2dasd is part of the idedasd.exe fix that is advertised for handling
>8GB disks (too).

The one I had was 5/3/99

Then I applied the latest device driver pack and got a 7/12/99 version.

Haven't checked the idedasd.exe version lately, it may be even newer.

Ron

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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 00:35:21
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: New os2dasd basedev questions

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Dale Winters wrote:
>
> Have seen some mention of a new os2basd driver. I can not find it.Can
> some kind soul point me in the right direction,please ?
>
  You can get the latest Device Driver fixpak at:

http://service.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/

>     Also,does anyone know if this new driver wil let me see my "orb"
> parallel port drive ???

  No. Only Castlewood can provide that. It should be ready Real Soon
Now.

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From: [e-mail]                                 19-Dec-99 18:29:04
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
spake unto us, saying:

>You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
>are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
>point.

  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/unz540x2.exe
  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/zip22x.zip

The latest versions can always be found here:

  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/OS2

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      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 00:39:23
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Alan Beagley wrote:
>
> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
>
  I have a Logitech "Marble" which is basically a trackball. It works
fine with the standard driver. In fact I installed the system using a
standard Logitech mouse (MouseMan) and exchanged it for the Marble. No
problems at all.

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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 00:41:07
  To: All                                               19-Dec-99 21:20:13
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Fritz Oppliger wrote:
>
> You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
> are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
> point.
>
  Look for unz504x2.exe in /pub/os2/util/archiver


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From: [e-mail]                            20-Dec-99 02:20:03
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 01:25:18
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

I have had no problems with the Logitech TrackMan, but being in need of
another trackball I bought the "wheel" variety (I am not sure that the
non-wheel ones are available any more). The problem is that the wheel
does not seem to do anything, even with the drivers that purport to
support it.

Alan


James Moe wrote:
>   I have a Logitech "Marble" which is basically a trackball. It works
> fine with the standard driver. In fact I installed the system using a
> standard Logitech mouse (MouseMan) and exchanged it for the Marble. No
> problems at all.
>
> --
>
> sma at rtd dot com
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From: [e-mail]                                    19-Dec-99 18:32:13
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 01:25:18
Subj: LPT1 went: poof!

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <[e-mail]>

Been riding on Fpk-12 for a few weeks now.  Suddenly,
couple of days ago, the following quit working in
OS/2 windows:

c:\> echo "hello world" > lpt1

Weird thing is this: it works in a shell PRIOR to WPS
getting launched.  It does NOT work AFTER the WPS
is running, whether I issue the command in a VIO, or
in a FullScreen session.  Consequently, my VIO mode
editor is not printing.

Good boy that I am, I have a maintenance partition
with a known-to-be-good installation of Warp-4 fpk-12
also.  All's well there.  The following are the same
in both sides of the fence:

PRINT01.SYS
PRINT02.SYS
PARALLEL.SNP (the Plug'n Pray snooper)

"Full Hardware Detection" has been enabled all along
in the Hardware Manager object.

Spooler object seems ok.

Any suggestions?

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From: [e-mail]                           19-Dec-99 21:51:19
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 01:25:19
Subj: Java chess sites

From: "Terry Haimann" <[e-mail]>

All of the sites that I want to go to that use java implement a chess game
cancel Netscape on my os2 box.  These include yahoo and the ics webmaster
link.  Now I don't know if it is how my Java is set up or a hardware issue(I
thought java was supposed to be hardware and os nuetral though.)  I am
running a k5-133 with only 20 meg of ram.  I run Netscape 4.04 and it uses
Java 1.1.7 I beleive.

Thx    Terry


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From: [e-mail]                                       20-Dec-99 11:03:11
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 10:21:10
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Illya Vaes <[e-mail]>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>>>At work, I support around 100 users who think a logon has something to do
>>>with a big tree.  Yeah, linux would go over real big...(intense sarcasm).
>>Sorry, but I am irritated by this attitude in our "IS" support too.
>>If they (and you) did their work as support well, those users would have
>>to know diddly squat about 'ls' etc.
>>*You* OTOH would have to be able to grasp more than just point-and-drool.
>>The users aren't paid to know about computers, software, etc.; you are.
>>Of course, many a times "OK" IS staf will just be hindered by management,
>>so that they can not put any time into setting up a good environment (that
>>will subsequently be easier and cheaper to support); usually they just
>>present "Windows" (read "Microsoft") as a prerequisite beyond discussion.
>The first two sentences say most of it.  It's real easy to criticize
>when you don't have to do the job.  I want to talk to a few users at the
>company where you manage the IS dept.

If your new car doesn't work, do you think about how difficult it may be to
design and manufacture one? Or do you just go to your dealer and say "it
doesn't work, fix it"? You imply the latter if you're consistent.

Your inference that I manage an IS department is completely false.
I'm a user. So what did you want to ask again?

This is all a question of where you put the onus of "knowing your stuff". You
seem to want to put it at the software developer's, I only put it at the IS
department level while you were implying that Linux requires it at the user's
level.
It's all fine and dandy to have the developer handle the load, but if he
doesn't think of something, you're SOL. If the developer gives knowledgable
users (ie. IS staff, says the optimist, and "power users") the tools, then
they can use them as they see fit / require.
I don't see why it should be a problem to require a certain level of
knowledgability from IS staff. They're (or at least should be) employees just
like all others and should do their job. Am I so unreasonable in this regard,
according to you???

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From: [e-mail]                                    20-Dec-99 05:46:14
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 10:21:10
Subj: Re: New os2dasd basedev questions

From: [e-mail] (James Knott)

The version I was working with last year, could handle up to ~32 GB,
which
is the max possible with the IDE interface.  I used it with a 16 GB
drive.  At that time, we couldn't get Windows 95 or NT past 8 GB.

In article <[e-mail]>, Ron Vopicka <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dale Winters wrote:
>>
>> Have seen some mention of a new os2basd driver. I can not find it.Can
>> some kind soul point
>> me in the right direction,please ?
>>
>
>os2dasd is part of the idedasd.exe fix that is advertised for handling
>>8GB disks (too).
>
>The one I had was 5/3/99
>
>Then I applied the latest device driver pack and got a 7/12/99 version.
>
>Haven't checked the idedasd.exe version lately, it may be even newer.
>
>Ron

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From: [e-mail]                          20-Dec-99 11:08:17
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 10:21:10
Subj: Re: LPT1 went: poof!

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 02:32:27, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Been riding on Fpk-12 for a few weeks now.  Suddenly,
> couple of days ago, the following quit working in
> OS/2 windows:
>
> c:\> echo "hello world" > lpt1
>
> Weird thing is this: it works in a shell PRIOR to WPS
> getting launched.  It does NOT work AFTER the WPS
> is running, whether I issue the command in a VIO, or
> in a FullScreen session.  Consequently, my VIO mode
> editor is not printing.

Once PMSHELL is running, your port is controlled by a Port Driver,
derived from a file named PARALLEL.PDR. Open the Properties notebook
of one of your Printer Objects, preferably your Default Printer, to
the Output Port page, and make sure you have LPT1 selected, or at
least greyed out (showing it is selected by another Printer Object.)
See if you can print to this printer via PMSHELL, either by dragging a
file and dropping it on the printer, or by printing through a menu
selection from an application.


>
> Good boy that I am, I have a maintenance partition
> with a known-to-be-good installation of Warp-4 fpk-12
> also.  All's well there.  The following are the same
> in both sides of the fence:
>
> PRINT01.SYS
> PRINT02.SYS
> PARALLEL.SNP (the Plug'n Pray snooper)

Compare your CONFIG.SYS files, too. You must have one of the
PRINT0x.SYS files loaded as a BASEDEV= statement, probably PRINT01.SYS
unless you've got a MCA (Microchannel, or PS/2) system.

>
> "Full Hardware Detection" has been enabled all along
> in the Hardware Manager object.
>
> Spooler object seems ok.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
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From: [e-mail]                          20-Dec-99 11:08:17
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 10:21:11
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:31:39, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
wrote:

> You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
> are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
> point.

Infozip has a relationship with the Walnut Creek "Hobbes CD-ROM"
company, which isn't related to New Mexico State's Hobbes site.
Bookmark their homepage, where the FAQ is maintained:

    http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/

and the ftp link to the current versions for all platforms:

    ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/

Versions at Hobbes OS/2 archive are dependent on somebody uploading
them from here, though they haven't changed in a year.


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From: [e-mail]                           20-Dec-99 08:09:05
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 10:21:11
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99 at 04:37 AM,
   [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros) said:

> Now, that's ridiculous.  If every university which graduated a looney
> was boycotted by employers, there wouldn't be a post-grad in the country
> still working.

This is a bad thing? <GRIN>

Actually, many Universities are very zealous in protecting their
reputations. Not many would willing allow an idiot like larso to carry on
using University equipment and services.

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From: [e-mail]                             20-Dec-99 05:16:20
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 11:19:25
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail]

Thank you Chris and Judith.

Ken

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:29:16, [e-mail] (Chris Wenham) wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:05:42, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Hey! can anybody answer my questions???
>
>  There is a recent port of MySQL for OS/2 and it can be found at
> hobbes.nmsu.edu.  You can talk to it with Rexx by using Mark
> Hessling's RexxSQL library, or in HTML using the WWW-MySQL CGI program
> that's also on Hobbes, or perhaps also with Perl and PHP. I haven't
> tested the last two, but I have personally had success with RexxSQL
> and WWW-MySQL.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wenham - [e-mail]
> The views expressed are mine.



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From: [e-mail]                                  20-Dec-99 11:58:10
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Joe Malloy" <[e-mail]>

Anyone who would place the "reputation" of an institution above the actual
abilities of the person in front of them deserves what they get --
mediocrity.  It's not a mortal sin, but it is mediocre.

- Joe

<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:385d1d01$1$yrgbherq$[e-mail]...
> [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros) said:
>
> >>I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University
of
> >>Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
> >>university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
> >>country, and the world.
>
> >>A copy of this message is being sent to the university.
> >>
> >Now, that's ridiculous.  If every university which graduated a looney was
> >boycotted by employers, there wouldn't be a post-grad in the country
> >still working.
>
> No its not. Society needs to filter out the loony tunes. Might as well use
> the university system as anything else.  -- And frankly, considering some
> of the stuff I see coming from these folks, we should have started a long
> time ago.
>
>
> _____________
> Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>
>


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From: [e-mail]                               20-Dec-99 13:26:14
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail]

Joe Malloy" <[e-mail]> said:

>Anyone who would place the "reputation" of an institution above the
>actual abilities of the person in front of them deserves what they get --
>mediocrity.  It's not a mortal sin, but it is mediocre.

Sorry but the world does not work this way.  Back when I use to do the
hiring there were a couple of places where we knew from experience that
the candidates needed to be checked more carefully. Sometimes they were
good, but most of the time they were a problem that showed up later.

After we learned that, it meant they were always going to be the second
and third choices in the interview lineup and they had better be better,
not just in person but on paper, or there wasn't much chance that I was
going to give them a shot at a job, much less spending money flying them
in for an interview.



><[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:385d1d01$1$yrgbherq$[e-mail]...
>> [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros) said:
>>
>> >>I have decided that I will never interview a graduate of the University
>of
>> >>Alberta if they confer any degree upon you. If you are an example of the
>> >>university, the university is a disgrace to the name, the province, the
>> >>country, and the world.
>>
>> >>A copy of this message is being sent to the university.
>> >>
>> >Now, that's ridiculous.  If every university which graduated a looney was
>> >boycotted by employers, there wouldn't be a post-grad in the country
>> >still working.
>>
>> No its not. Society needs to filter out the loony tunes. Might as well use
>> the university system as anything else.  -- And frankly, considering some
>> of the stuff I see coming from these folks, we should have started a long
>> time ago.
>>
>>
>> _____________
>> Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>
>>


_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                                 20-Dec-99 16:49:12
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:29:08 -0600, Richard Steiner wrote:

>Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
>spake unto us, saying:
>
>>You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
>>are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
>>point.
>
>  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/unz540x2.exe
>  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/zip22x.zip
>
>The latest versions can always be found here:
>
>  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/OS2

While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
uploaded to the site.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: [e-mail]                           20-Dec-99 17:49:21
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail] (John Hong)

"Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]> writes:

>While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
>not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
>uploaded to the site.

    Where is this located to?  Only v2.2 is listed at the Walnut
Creek's website.



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From: [e-mail]                          20-Dec-99 18:31:07
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:24, "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:29:08 -0600, Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> >Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
> >spake unto us, saying:
> >
> >>You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
> >>are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
> >>point.
> >
> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/unz540x2.exe
> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/zip22x.zip
> >
> >The latest versions can always be found here:
> >
> >  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/OS2
>
> While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
> not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
> uploaded to the site.

Well, since neither Infozip's home page nor any mirror sites around
the world have any mention of an actual release of v.2.3, perhaps
you'd provide a URL for us?


--

Good luck,

Buddy

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[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                                    20-Dec-99 12:38:23
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: which soundcard to buy?

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <[e-mail]>

I'd appreciate your recommendations.  This is what
I'd like to get from a soundcard:

--COMES WITH OS/2 DEVICE DRIVER.
--Takes electret microphones input.
--Enables the VoiceType features of Warp 4; in other
   words, it has the required sampling rate, etc.
--When returning from a SLEEP/STANDBY state of APM
   (advcd. power mngmt.) the soundcard restarts with
   FULL FUNCTIONALITY: the cheap soundcards fail to
   process .WAV files after a STANDBY!

As you can see, I'm not looking for "CBS-Recording-
Studios-on-PCI" type of card: just a
reliable card for OS/2.

:)

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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               20-Dec-99 20:14:07
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Christian Hennecke <[e-mail]>

James Moe schrieb:
>
> Fritz Oppliger wrote:
> >
> > You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
> > are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
> > point.
> >
>   Look for unz504x2.exe in /pub/os2/util/archiver

Only if you are NOT using Object Desktop's archive viewer. Unzip 5.4
experienced a change in the output format which results in the first
letter of all files missing in the viewer. Better use unzip 5.32 with
OD.

Christian Hennecke
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From: [e-mail]                                 20-Dec-99 20:17:11
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>

On 20 Dec 1999 17:49:43 GMT, John Hong wrote:

>"Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
>>not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
>>uploaded to the site.
>
>    Where is this located to?  Only v2.2 is listed at the Walnut
>Creek's website.

ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html

***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: [e-mail]                                 20-Dec-99 20:16:23
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 16:56:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:31:15 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:24, "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:29:08 -0600, Richard Steiner wrote:
>>
>> >Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
>> >spake unto us, saying:
>> >
>> >>You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't -
>> >>are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at this
>> >>point.
>> >
>> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/unz540x2.exe
>> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/zip22x.zip
>> >
>> >The latest versions can always be found here:
>> >
>> >  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/OS2
>>
>> While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
>> not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
>> uploaded to the site.
>
>Well, since neither Infozip's home page nor any mirror sites around
>the world have any mention of an actual release of v.2.3, perhaps
>you'd provide a URL for us?

Sure.  Here you go:

  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html

Under the list of "Ready to run binaries" you will notice that there
is no star next to the OS/2 entry, indicating that the binaries have
not actually been built for that OS.


***** Steve Snyder *****



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From: [e-mail]...               20-Dec-99 13:29:22
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:00
Subj: Re: which soundcard to buy?

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: John Desmarais <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>, "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> I'd appreciate your recommendations.  This is what =
> I'd like to get from a soundcard:
> --COMES WITH OS/2 DEVICE DRIVER.
> --Takes electret microphones input.
> --Enables the VoiceType features of Warp 4; in other =
>    words, it has the required sampling rate, etc.
> --When returning from a SLEEP/STANDBY state of APM =
>    (advcd. power mngmt.) the soundcard restarts with =
>    FULL FUNCTIONALITY: the cheap soundcards fail to =
>    process .WAV files after a STANDBY!
> As you can see, I'm not looking for "CBS-Recording-
> Studios-on-PCI" type of card: just a =
> reliable card for OS/2.

Look for any board using chipsets from one of these companies.

ESS Technology Inc.
OS/2 drivers for their various audio chipsets (ESS 1868PnP, 1869, etc).
Good driver providing full duplex audio (simultaneous recording &
playing) as well as great simultaneous OS/2 & WinOS/2 audio.

Crystal Semiconductor
Audio chipsets with good OS/2 drivers.

Aureal
Makers of PCI audio chips with native OS/2 support. Their 8820 A3D chip
is used in cards by Xitel, Turtle Beach, Diamond and others. NOTE:
Aureal claim these are reference drivers only--you should contact your
card manufacturer for specific drivers.


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From: [e-mail]                            20-Dec-99 15:19:22
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:00
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:57:00 -0600, Marvin Volz wrote:

>It's easier than that if you use Lotus 123.
>From a spreedsheet with a table of names, addresses, etc. just "Create"
"Mailing
>labels" and follow the instructions. An Approach db will be created which you
can
>edit - fonts, etc. and you pick Avery label type.

I could not find "mailing labels" under "Create" in Smartsuite 123
for Warp?
Is that the product you are using?  Maybe it is an "Windo..." thing
not implemented in
the OS/2 version.
...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
   using OS/2 WARP4 @FP12




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From: [e-mail]                           20-Dec-99 22:32:09
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:00
Subj: Re: Really dumb question

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:56:04, Bob Hutchison <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have several Multipoint bridge units that use OS2 as their OS. I am
> totally ignorant about even simple OS2 setup and operation. My dumb
> question is how do I make an encoded file writeable?
>

If it is marked "read only" you can change
the attribute bit with the ATTRIB command.

ATTRIB -R what_ever_the_file_path_and_name_is

Type HELP ATTRIB at a command prompt for
the help screen for it.

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From: [e-mail]                20-Dec-99 18:36:29
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:00
Subj: Re: which soundcard to buy?

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 08:52 AM, "Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]> said:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:38:47 -0800, Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.) wrote:

>:>I'd appreciate your recommendations.  This is what
>:>I'd like to get from a soundcard:
>:>
>:>--COMES WITH OS/2 DEVICE DRIVER.
>:>--Takes electret microphones input.
>:>--Enables the VoiceType features of Warp 4; in other
>:>   words, it has the required sampling rate, etc.
>:>--When returning from a SLEEP/STANDBY state of APM
>:>   (advcd. power mngmt.) the soundcard restarts with
>:>   FULL FUNCTIONALITY: the cheap soundcards fail to
>:>   process .WAV files after a STANDBY!
>:>
>:>As you can see, I'm not looking for "CBS-Recording-
>:>Studios-on-PCI" type of card: just a
>:>reliable card for OS/2.
>:>

>Go to:

>http://www.os2voice.org/

>and look at the December newsletter. There
>is a review of a PCI based soundcard that
>works well in OS/2 based on a Crystal chip.

Doesn't matter which brand or model you buy.  In less than a year IBM will
issue a fixpak breaking the product you chose, then have the odacity to
blame a bug in the device driver which never changed.

Here's an idea!  Buy one that doesn't work at all today and never did.  In
about a year or so the "compile it once & ship it" development style no
riding herd over fixpaks will probably introduce a bug into Warp which
allows your card to magically start working.

You'll be way ahead of the game then.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                          21-Dec-99 08:52:28
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:00
Subj: Re: which soundcard to buy?

From: "Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:38:47 -0800, Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.) wrote:

:>I'd appreciate your recommendations.  This is what
:>I'd like to get from a soundcard:
:>
:>--COMES WITH OS/2 DEVICE DRIVER.
:>--Takes electret microphones input.
:>--Enables the VoiceType features of Warp 4; in other
:>   words, it has the required sampling rate, etc.
:>--When returning from a SLEEP/STANDBY state of APM
:>   (advcd. power mngmt.) the soundcard restarts with
:>   FULL FUNCTIONALITY: the cheap soundcards fail to
:>   process .WAV files after a STANDBY!
:>
:>As you can see, I'm not looking for "CBS-Recording-
:>Studios-on-PCI" type of card: just a
:>reliable card for OS/2.
:>

Go to:

http://www.os2voice.org/

and look at the December newsletter. There
is a review of a PCI based soundcard that
works well in OS/2 based on a Crystal chip.

Cheers

Wayne

******************************************************
Wayne Bickell
Tokyo, Japan
[e-mail]
******************************************************
           Posted with PMINews 2 for OS/2
  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: [e-mail]                        21-Dec-99 00:58:28
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Tivoli Endpoint

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

I have something called Tivoli Endpoint installed on my server. It was
installed as part of WSeB.

Can anyone tell me what use it is to man or beast?

I'm sure it does really clever stuff, but how come no one told me about it,
or how to use it?


--
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From: [e-mail]                                 20-Dec-99 18:47:18
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: Really dumb question

From: Bob Hutchison <[e-mail]>

Thanks!!
bob

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:56:04, Bob Hutchison <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I have several Multipoint bridge units that use OS2 as their OS. I am
> > totally ignorant about even simple OS2 setup and operation. My dumb
> > question is how do I make an encoded file writeable?
> >
>
> If it is marked "read only" you can change
> the attribute bit with the ATTRIB command.
>
> ATTRIB -R what_ever_the_file_path_and_name_is
>
> Type HELP ATTRIB at a command prompt for
> the help screen for it.
>
> --
>
> Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                                    20-Dec-99 15:58:22
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: Really dumb question

From: "Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" <[e-mail]>

Encoded in what?

Bob Hutchison wrote:
>
> I have several Multipoint bridge units that use OS2 as their OS. I am
> totally ignorant about even simple OS2 setup and operation. My dumb
> question is how do I make an encoded file writeable?
>
> Bob Hutchison

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From: [e-mail]                20-Dec-99 17:33:12
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
   at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:

>Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>trackballs and mice, were there?

>Alan

The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.

Roland


>Alan Beagley wrote:
>>
>> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
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From: [e-mail]                20-Dec-99 17:20:21
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail]

In <165578194556491624383102@mike>, on 12/18/99
   at 07:55 PM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:




>If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>will make your life much easier.


My first suggestion is that you READ the actual message posted along with
the MODEL NUMBER OF THE CHIPSET before inserting foot so far down your
throat that you won't be able to injoy the upcoming holiday meal.  The
1879 model was one of the more widely distributed chipsets and there is no
driver available.  ESS has moved on to chipsets with more bells & whistles
stating they have no intention of providing new drivers for that chipset.
The OS/2 Warp driver has worked flawlessly since its release in 1997.

>Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
>IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
>they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
>and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
>no good purpose?


Maybe this would be a good thing.  It is obvious they are taking testing
lessons from Stardock and CDS now.  If it compiled, ship it!  Perhaps if
they spent less time praising themselves on-line and watching these
previous two companies hawking bugware they would be more inclined to
develop usable software rather than following the examples of those
companies.

The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.

Roland


>On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail]
>wrote:

>>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
>>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>>>postings about this or
>>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to code
>>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
>>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
>>
>>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
>>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this last
>>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of Forethought
>>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
>>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
>>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly IBM
>>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
>>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame it
>>on the parallel port manufacturers.
>>
>>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
>>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
>>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
>>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
>>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
>>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
>>
>>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
>>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer provides
>>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
>>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
>>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
>>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
>>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
>>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp "development"
>>team heading their way.
>>
>>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the history
>>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
>>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with all
>>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
>>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
>>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for it.
>>
>>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
>>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU site
>>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
>>the effort of killing off the product.
>>
>>Roland
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From: [e-mail]                          21-Dec-99 00:36:11
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:16:46, "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:31:15 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:49:24, "Steve Snyder" <[e-mail]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:29:08 -0600, Richard Steiner wrote:
> >>
> >> >Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail](Fritz Oppliger)
> >> >spake unto us, saying:
> >> >
> >> >>You'd think one could find info-zip's zip & unzip on hobbes but I can't
-
> >> >>are my eyes zipped shut or what!? I'm after the freeware version at
this
> >> >>point.
> >> >
> >> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/unz540x2.exe
> >> >  ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/archiver/zip22x.zip
> >> >
> >> >The latest versions can always be found here:
> >> >
> >> >  ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/OS2
> >>
> >> While it is *generally* true that the latest version is there, it is
> >> not *currently* true.  The recently-released zip v2.3 has not yet been
> >> uploaded to the site.
> >
> >Well, since neither Infozip's home page nor any mirror sites around
> >the world have any mention of an actual release of v.2.3, perhaps
> >you'd provide a URL for us?
>
> Sure.  Here you go:
>
>   ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Zip.html
>
> Under the list of "Ready to run binaries" you will notice that there
> is no star next to the OS/2 entry, indicating that the binaries have
> not actually been built for that OS.
>

Thanks. I guess this means we're awaiting some intrepid soul taking
the source and compiling it for OS/2?


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From: [e-mail]                20-Dec-99 18:40:07
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 12:28 AM, [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff) said:

>I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
>Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
>port.

>But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
>thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.


The Trackman I had was a bus model.  It was shipped prior to the PS/2
connector style being invented.

As to your BA/2 comment there are lots of people who not just think that
product sucks, but can prove it repeatedly.  There are also quite a few
people who have lost their jobs for buying that product.  You will notice
that in an effort to avoid further criminal charges the manufacturer
doesn't post spam out in the newsgroups anymore...assuming you bother to
look.  When I find something that bad I play hard.  When consumer
protection agencies receive repeatable physical proof of products not
living up to advertisements they play harder...but the post office plays
hardest of all.

Roland

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]  wrote:

>> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>>
>> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>>
>> >Alan
>>
>> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
>> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
>> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
>> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>> >Alan Beagley wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> [e-mail]              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
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>>


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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 00:28:13
  To: All                                               20-Dec-99 20:46:01
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff)

I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
port.

But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]
wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>
> >Alan
>
> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>
> Roland
>
>
> >Alan Beagley wrote:
> >>
> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [e-mail]              To Respond delete
".illegaltospam"
>                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
>                             For a Microsoft free univers
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 03:19:01
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 03:29:03
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail] (Esther Schindler)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:29:06, "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

| (What a shame that
| Tyson's update to "Warp 3 Unleashed" never saw the light of day !)

Hey, I like Tyson personally... but he wasn't the author of Unleashed.
That's listed as Moskowitz and Kerr.

Warp 3 Unleashed _was_ released. A Warp 4 Unleashed was never
published, though.

--Esther Schindler
  (who may have some news RSN regarding an OS/2 REXX book)

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From: [e-mail]                                   21-Dec-99 06:24:12
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 03:29:04
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (BobO)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:14:50, Jim Frost <[e-mail]> said:
|
|Windows 9x is horrible in this respect; installing or removing software can
|hose a system easily, and there's nothing stopping a user from just up and
|deleting the OS and/or application installation.  (This is the old "I ran out
|of disk space but I found all these files in C:\Windows that I know I didn't
|put there so I deleted them.  Now my PC won't boot.")  IMO Win9x is pretty
|much a worst-case TCO scenario for the hardware platform.  About the only way
|it's manageable at all is if you use something like Ghost that just does a
|disk image reinstall -- and all that does is make the fix faster, not the
|occurrances less frequent.
|
|OS/2 has the same problem that Windows 9x does in that it's really easy to
|destroy system software (that "I deleted stuff" problem again).  Thankfully
it
|wins big in two respects: most software doesn't go install new patches to the
|OS (so installing or removing software doesn't tend to screw other things
up),
|and there's so little aftermarket software out there that users aren't likely
|to be trying to install that nifty new game or screensaver.  So I will
|definitely grant you that TCO for OS/2 should be markedly better than Win9x.
|
|But NT ... well, NT is interesting from the POV of an administrator because
|you can seriously lock it down such that it's really quite hard to muck with
|the system software or applications.  No new software, no modifications to
old
|software, no ability to delete software.  Its big problem is that you have to
|go visit each system to install or upgrade software (that registry thing is
|just a cluster-fuck in terms of group system management) though of course
|there are some fairly expensive tools out there to minimize that.  (I think
|those tools mostly shift the costs from labor to capital, rather than really
|saving anything, but YMMV.)  But if you want to install a fixed set of
|software and leave it alone, well, NT is real good for that.

Well one could say that if you can truly lockdown an NT system that
same system locked down in OS/2 would be WSOD, which clearly, with its
remote management features a lower COO.

OTOH, if you do not lockdown the system, you have to deal with your
users trying to run a lot of Win95 specific garbage on their NT
systems.

We have to be careful about how we rate the use of some of these
optional features.

The bottom line, and this has been argued at length is that Win 9x is
a wannabe OS/2.  Its feature list reads like an OS/2 feature list, yet
it never quite arrives.  NT on the other hand is the "promised"
equivalent of OS/2.  At one time it appeared it might be superior to
OS/2 (assuming you can ignore who was manufacturing it), but the cross
platform promise pretty much fell on its face.

Now what we have is NT machines crashing right and left trying to
install software and hardware designed for Win 9x.  I won't argue this
point as it is inarguable to me as I have experienced it first hand on
dozens of installations.

The net result is for the past 4 1/2 years, the computer industry in
the name of protecting Microsoft marketshare has been fed the pablum
for the masses in the form on Win9x.  In order to protect NT from true
competition on the merits of a true 32 bit operating system, Microsoft
continues to divert development effort to this protection plan.  NT
suffers and OS/2 suffers and the customer suffers.

Is this an evil plan?  No I don't believe that.  But I see it as a
fact.  Just that sometimes what we did in the past prevents us from
advancing in the future.

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From: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 08:32:10
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 05:16:11
Subj: Re: Tivoli Endpoint

From: "Mark Yudkin" <[e-mail]>

It means you have the Tivoli code to be an endpoint. If your firm has
implemented IBM Tivoli, this can be useful. If it doesn't, it isn't.

If you don't know what Tivoli is, I would expect you don't have it.

Information on what Tivoli is (supposed to be) can be found under
http://www.tivoli.com.

John Poltorak <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> I have something called Tivoli Endpoint installed on my server. It was
> installed as part of WSeB.
>
> Can anyone tell me what use it is to man or beast?
>
> I'm sure it does really clever stuff, but how come no one told me about
it,
> or how to use it?
>
>
> --
> John


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From: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 08:38:26
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 05:16:11
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: "Mark Yudkin" <[e-mail]>

Perhaps if you calm down a little, you could get a little further.

As you indicate, the readme only refers to some ESS models; however the
referenced fix works on all ESS models that failed to work after application
of both Warp3 and Warp4 fixpaks. If you politely indicate that the readme is
incomplete, I'm sure the IBM people here will listen.

<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:385eae84$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$[e-mail]...
> In <165578194556491624383102@mike>, on 12/18/99
>    at 07:55 PM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:
>
>
>
>
> >If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
> >you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
> >fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
> >experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
> >will make your life much easier.
>
>
> My first suggestion is that you READ the actual message posted along with
> the MODEL NUMBER OF THE CHIPSET before inserting foot so far down your
> throat that you won't be able to injoy the upcoming holiday meal.  The
> 1879 model was one of the more widely distributed chipsets and there is no
> driver available.  ESS has moved on to chipsets with more bells & whistles
> stating they have no intention of providing new drivers for that chipset.
> The OS/2 Warp driver has worked flawlessly since its release in 1997.
>
> >Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
> >IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
> >they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
> >and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
> >no good purpose?
>
>
> Maybe this would be a good thing.  It is obvious they are taking testing
> lessons from Stardock and CDS now.  If it compiled, ship it!  Perhaps if
> they spent less time praising themselves on-line and watching these
> previous two companies hawking bugware they would be more inclined to
> develop usable software rather than following the examples of those
> companies.
>
> The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
> life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.
>
> Roland
>
>
> >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail]
> >wrote:
>
> >>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
> >>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
> >>>wrote:
> >>
> >>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
> >>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
> >>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
> >>>postings about this or
> >>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
> >>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
> >>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
> >>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to
code
> >>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
> >>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
> >>
> >>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
> >>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this
last
> >>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of
Forethought
> >>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
> >>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
> >>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly
IBM
> >>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
> >>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame
it
> >>on the parallel port manufacturers.
> >>
> >>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
> >>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
> >>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
> >>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
> >>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
> >>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
> >>
> >>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
> >>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer
provides
> >>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
> >>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
> >>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
> >>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
> >>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
> >>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp
"development"
> >>team heading their way.
> >>
> >>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the
history
> >>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
> >>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with
all
> >>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
> >>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
> >>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for
it.
> >>
> >>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
> >>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU
site
> >>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
> >>the effort of killing off the product.
> >>
> >>Roland
> >>
> >>--
> >>-----------------------------------------------------------
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> >>                            MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52
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> >>-----------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >         Please note:  My Email and web page addresses have changed!
> >                The new email address is [e-mail]
> >                 The web page is at http://www.catherders.com
>
> >               Because network administration is like herding cats.
>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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From: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 08:50:27
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 05:16:11
Subj: Re: SIQ Lockup problem...

From: "Mark Yudkin" <[e-mail]>

Kim Cheung <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
> SIQ: the worst part of OS/2's basic design.
> >
>
> You have Microsoft to thank for that.
>

No, you have IBM to blame for that. They knew it was broken when the did
32-bit OS/2 (V2.0). They could have fixed it like MS fixed it for NT (32-bit
programs work, 16-bit programs remain compatible, + API to attach input
queues). IBM chose not to fix it for 32-bit programs in OS/2 V2, and then it
was too late to fix properly.

The same applies to the WPS design, which HAD to come it with OS/2 V2.0,
even though SOM (multi-process DSOM if you're pedantic) wasn't ready. The
result was a single process WPS that makes "crash protection" into a joke.

OTOH, since semaphores where fixed in the V1.x -> V2 migration, even though
that affected all programs being ported, it cannot be argued that fixing the
SIQ problem would have complicated the 16->32 bit port, especially as SIQ
was something most programs didn't rely on, whereas semaphores are
fundamental to any multithreaded application.

Kim, at the least, blame the right corporation.


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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 15:07:26
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:02
Subj: Re: which soundcard to buy?

From: [e-mail]

Right now Indelible Blue has a special on AOpen soundcards which
have OS/2 drivers on the mfg. site, not in the box.  I appears to
have what you want but mine just came today and is not yet installed
so I am not sure of that.  Hope so, as I bought it so the voice app
in Warp would work.  I got voice working with a SB Awe64Value a year
ago and never want to go through that again.  The Indelible Blue or
AOpen web pages would probably have the specs you need.


>I'd appreciate your recommendations.  This is what
>I'd like to get from a soundcard:

>--COMES WITH OS/2 DEVICE DRIVER.
>--Takes electret microphones input.
>--Enables the VoiceType features of Warp 4; in other
>   words, it has the required sampling rate, etc.
>--When returning from a SLEEP/STANDBY state of APM
>   (advcd. power mngmt.) the soundcard restarts with
>   FULL FUNCTIONALITY: the cheap soundcards fail to
>   process .WAV files after a STANDBY!

>As you can see, I'm not looking for "CBS-Recording-
>Studios-on-PCI" type of card: just a
>reliable card for OS/2.

>:)




Judith Russell
[e-mail]
Saugus Web Coordinator
http://www.hart.k12.ca.us/saugus



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 18:59:03
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>

"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

> If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
> you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
> fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
> experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
> will make your life much easier.
>

Michael --

I'd like to add a related question into this thread.  Do you (or anyone else
reading
this) know of any compelling reason why someone running at FP-9 with generally
good and
reliable results might want to consider applying the latest FP ?  I know there
are
supposed to be some later, additional Y2K fixes, but the most important issues
were
probably addressed by the time of FP-9.  I've read over the APAR list that
comes with
FP-12, but these things are often less than crystal clear.  In fact, there was
one
significant problem that FP-9 had corrected for me, but there was no entry in
*that*
APAR list which _clearly_ described it.

<jfox>



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 19:25:14
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Re: Warp v4 installed & FP9 installed - now what?

From: "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:

>
> Do yourself a HUGE favor and backout FP9.  Put FP8 on and NEVER UNDER ANY
> CONDITIONS CONSIDER APPLYING ANOTHER FP FROM IBM.  All FP releases after
> that point have been a deliberate attempt to remove the product entirely
> from the marketplace.
>

FP-9 has been quite successful here.  NS crashes on me from time to time, but
that's
about it.

<jfox>



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 19:32:00
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>

Christian Hennecke wrote:

> Only if you are NOT using Object Desktop's archive viewer. Unzip 5.4
> experienced a change in the output format which results in the first
> letter of all files missing in the viewer. Better use unzip 5.32 with
> OD.
>

Wasn't there some *other* issue, in favor of sticking with an earlier version
?
Some key feature they took out, or were forced to take out for legal reasons ?
(Very vague recollections here.)

<jfox>



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 19:11:17
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>

"Austy Garhi (n. d'e-pl.)" wrote:

> "J. R. Fox" wrote:
> >
> > (What a shame that
> > Tyson's update to "Warp 3 Unleashed" never saw the light of day !)  You
>
> Ahh, yes . . . I was weaned on Herb Tyson's "Your OS/2
> 2.1 Consultant."  A refreshingly intelligent OS manual.
>
>

For my money, Tyson was (maybe still is) "the great explainer" when it came
to computer s/w topics.  Nobody did it better.  And this (the never published
"Warp 4 Consultant" -- I got this mixed up with the Moskowitz book in my
original msg.) was the 2nd. time I know of that a book by Tyson was
commissioned, completed, and paid for, but never made it into print.  Lemme
tell ya -- being a writer is not an easy gig !

<jfox>



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From: [e-mail]                              20-Dec-99 19:18:11
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Re: Rumour : 64-bit OS/2 ????

From: "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>

Luc Van Bogaert wrote:

> What's this about an IBM operating system for Merced? This is a joke right?
>
> http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL1299H/vnewsfe.htm
>

Has to be.  It would be great if they had some great stealth project underway,
waiting to spring it until after the DOJ case decision, but don't hold your
breath.  Even if Big Blue had something up its sleeve that would smoke Windows
2000 (to such an obvious degree that neither the press nor the public could
possibly ignore it), do you see any evidence that they would have a clue re
how
to market it successfully ?

<jfox>



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From: [e-mail]                                21-Dec-99 11:38:02
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Problem with Desktop!!

From: "Cecilio Mendez" <[e-mail]>

I have a problem with the desktop on OS2 3 with tcpip. Is the second time
that appears the message when i boot the machine "Whorkplace shell: Haven┤t
found the file in the file os2.ini". And then the system delete the desktop.
I reinstall the Os2 and TCPIP and three or four days after apears another
time.
Tanks


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From: [e-mail]                                 20-Dec-99 16:56:02
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 10:47:03
Subj: Really dumb question

From: Bob Hutchison <[e-mail]>

I have several Multipoint bridge units that use OS2 as their OS. I am
totally ignorant about even simple OS2 setup and operation. My dumb
question is how do I make an encoded file writeable?

Bob Hutchison

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From: [e-mail]                                   21-Dec-99 11:01:02
  To: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 20:30:29
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

To: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <[e-mail]>
From: Marvin Volz <[e-mail]>

You're right and I stand corrected. The feature is in 123 SS97 for Windows;
not in
OS/2 version.

MTV


"Lionel C. Abrahams" wrote:

> On 21 Dec 1999 02:48:56 GMT, John Varela wrote:
>
> >File --> New Document --> Create from Recently Used SmartMaster -->
> >Browse for More Files
> >
> >In window 1 select Label, in window 2 double click on label.mwp and
> >Voila!
>
> There is no such thing in my Lotus 123.
> The only place I find your detailed instructions above is in Lotus
> Wordpro.
> The extension .mwp is a wordpro smartmaster extension.
> The 123 smartMaster in my 123 all have a .12m extension.
>
> ...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
>    using OS/2 WARP4 @FP12
>
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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 19:48:10
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: "Andreas Linde" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:06:38 GMT, Chris Wenham wrote:

> What are those problems? The version I found was 1.3.9.

well, the last version of the russian port I tested is 1.3.6.
the problem there where the mentioned crashes on aurora and the
code page issue (already mentioned in a previews posting ).

and since brian harvards version of apache works very fine with
php and mysql, and has no problems lately, I didn't test the russian
version again :-)

btw.. brian hardvards port can also be found on the official apache
ftp mirrors !

sincerely

 andy



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From: [e-mail]                        21-Dec-99 19:04:11
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <[e-mail]>, Marvin Volz <[e-mail]> writes:
>You're right and I stand corrected. The feature is in 123 SS97 for Windows;
not in
>OS/2 version.

Maybe it's in the new version of SmartSuite (1.5)... Has anyone got hold of it
yet?

>MTV
>
>
>"Lionel C. Abrahams" wrote:
>
>> On 21 Dec 1999 02:48:56 GMT, John Varela wrote:
>>
>> >File --> New Document --> Create from Recently Used SmartMaster -->
>> >Browse for More Files
>> >
>> >In window 1 select Label, in window 2 double click on label.mwp and
>> >Voila!
>>
>> There is no such thing in my Lotus 123.
>> The only place I find your detailed instructions above is in Lotus
>> Wordpro.
>> The extension .mwp is a wordpro smartmaster extension.
>> The 123 smartMaster in my 123 all have a .12m extension.
>>
>> ...Posted with PMINews 2.00.1200
>>    using OS/2 WARP4 @FP12
>>
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>
>

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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 09:19:06
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]>


Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
> doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
> CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.

Well, the CD-ROM for Warp 4 has a complete set of diskette images on it
to use for a floppy install.  It also has TCP/IP diskettes and bonuspak
diskettes.  This is a very tedious way to install but it also works...I
have done it successfully.  You need about 40 diskettes to do this...If
you want to make the diskettes, put the CD-ROM in another OS/2 machine,
switch to the CD-ROM driver, and type PRODDSKS at the command prompt.
Then select the product you want diskettes for such as OS/2 v4 or
TCP/IP.


>
> I was thinking along the lines of a PLIP-install in Linux: with a
> laplink cable - that I do have - between the desktop and the notebook.
> Can't seem to find any reference in the installation guide, however.
>
> Karel Jansens
> jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
> =======================================================
> "The method employed I would gladly explain,
> While I have it so clear in my head,
> If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
> But much yet remains to be said."
>
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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 07:57:25
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/20/99
   at 06:59 PM, "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]> said:


>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:

>> If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>> you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>> fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>> experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>> will make your life much easier.
>>

>Michael --

>I'd like to add a related question into this thread.  Do you (or anyone
>else reading this) know of any compelling reason why someone running at
>FP-9 with generally good and reliable results might want to consider
>applying the latest FP ?  I know there are supposed to be some later,
>additional Y2K fixes, but the most important issues were probably
>addressed by the time of FP-9.  I've read over the APAR list that comes
>with FP-12, but these things are often less than crystal clear.  In fact,
>there was one significant problem that FP-9 had corrected for me, but
>there was no entry in *that* APAR list which _clearly_ described it.

For me it was FP8.  I have since backed off to FP9 since that was the
lowest FP still available on the RSU site.  Some of the Java and DB tools
I had aquired stated they were only supported under the higher fp levels
as that was all they were tested with.

Roland
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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 08:03:12
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Problem with Desktop!!

From: [e-mail]

In <83nkpu$2r7$[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 11:38 AM, "Cecilio Mendez" <[e-mail]> said:

>I have a problem with the desktop on OS2 3 with tcpip. Is the second time
>that appears the message when i boot the machine "Whorkplace shell:
>Haven t found the file in the file os2.ini". And then the system delete
>the desktop. I reinstall the Os2 and TCPIP and three or four days after
>apears another time.
>Tanks

What FP level are you at?  I remember this bug as being in the original
release of Warp 3.  You had to turn off desktop archiving.  It had a
problem where it couldn't overwrite the existing archive files then
developed an identity crisis.  Somewhere in the first few fix paks they
fixed this.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 09:46:27
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Which FixPak to install?

From: [e-mail]

After a nearly 10 month absence from OS/2,
I was ecstatic to finally install Warp 4 on my
brand new 9GB SCSI hard drive in my home system.

The question now springs to mind, which is the
minimal FP I should install?  I know that GA Warp 4
has Y2K issues.  I also currently am only using
the first 3GB of my drive, but I plan to eventually
use those parts of it beyond the 8GB boundary so I
may need the expanded CHKDSK functionality to see
more that 8GB at a time.

I will greatfully accept any advice in this matter.

Thanks,
Steven

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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 08:29:11
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <[e-mail]>

Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Since when is ls-l defaulted to sort by name?  Last time I used it
> >(Linux version unknown), it wasn't.
>
> To my knowledge, the GNU ls command has *always* defaulted to sort the
> directory display by filename.

That's correct.  The BSD version did too, at least by BSD 4.2 (the first
version I used).  I'm pretty sure the V7 ls didn't, but the SysIII and SysV
versions did.

> Of course, dotfiles sort to the top, and filenames starting with caps
> sort ahead of filenames starting with lowercase, but that is normal for
> a Unix system (FreeBSD and Solaris seem to behave the same way).

This is a natural ramification of the ASCII collation sequence.

jim

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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 08:44:02
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: Jim Frost <[e-mail]>

Don Hills wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Sure you can.  You can disable the ability for them to run CMD.EXE.  But I
was
> >thinking of locking it down by making the system and applications
directories
> >non-writable and non-deletable.  They can go to town on the machine and
still
> >not screw up the configuration.
>
> You can't stop Word running CMD.EXE for you, though. As for removing
> permissions from directories, I spent much of last year fixing the
> messes caused by people finding ways to destroy things that they
> shouldn't have been able to get to. And the funny part of it is, the
> users were all police officers...

You sure can stop Word from running CMD.EXE; just remove the execute privilege
from the ACL.  Done.  (You almost certainly want the admin group to be able to
run it, though, I bet you'll have booting problems otherwise.)  But really
this is not important because CMD.EXE access doesn't hurt anything that
couldn't be hurt through some application.

As for destroying things they shouldn't have been able to get to, you screwed
up permissions if they managed to do that.  About the only thing a user can do
in a properly locked-down NT system is use a partitioning tool (and not the
DOS/Win9x partitioning tool) to blow away the partition.  This approach will
of course work anything that resides on the local disk.

Generally problems doing this come down to one or two configuration problems:
1) You're using FAT instead of NTFS so you don't have filesystem access
control.  2) You're allowing users to run as administrator.

I've run public NT clusters and the only problem we had was that NT doesn't
have quota limits so you have to go in and clean up stuff in user directories
regularly (we set up an "at" job that helped a lot, but of course you can only
automate this task so much).  Win2K is supposed to fix this, but it's going to
be awhile before I get around to touching Win2K (say, a service pack or three,
if at all).

This is not to say that I don't have a lot of gripes about NT security.  It's
asinine that they give you virtually no tools for creating a secure system,
and that it installs wide-open, and that it has no quota control, and that you
have to log out of a user account in order to log into an admin account (at
least using the standard tools).

Gripes aside, it is possible to lock down NT quite tightly -- and it's not
even all that hard.

jim

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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 07:48:12
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: which soundcard to buy?

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 10:26 AM, "Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]> said:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:36:58 -0500, [e-mail]
>wrote:

>:>Doesn't matter which brand or model you buy.  In less than a year IBM will
>:>issue a fixpak breaking the product you chose, then have the odacity to
>:>blame a bug in the device driver which never changed.
>:>
>:>Here's an idea!  Buy one that doesn't work at all today and never did.  In
>:>about a year or so the "compile it once & ship it" development style no
>:>riding herd over fixpaks will probably introduce a bug into Warp which
>:>allows your card to magically start working.
>:>
>:>You'll be way ahead of the game then.
>:>
>:>Roland

>If you "love" IBM so much why aren't you using another OS?
>Or is it you just love to bitch?

Hardly.  I've used Warp for years now and I do use other operating
systems.  Warp 4 with fp8 was one of the most stable OS's this side of DR
DOS I've ever used.  I do use other operating systems, but over the course
of the years have accumulated somewhere between $30,000-40,000 worth of
development tools and applications mostly cross platform, but hosted on
Warp.

In the releases since FP8 the fixpak development team has degenerated into
a non caring, non testing, ship anything kind of group which would make MS
proud.

Around the end of March I will be forced to evaluate the OS's I currently
use for development.  If I wasn't in the middle of writing a book on VMS
development and hadn't started it using my Warp toolset I would be making
that decision now.

Roland


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From: [e-mail]                                    21-Dec-99 08:23:25
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail] (Dan Casey)

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Esther Schindler) wrote:
>
>Warp 3 Unleashed _was_ released. A Warp 4 Unleashed was never
>published, though.
>
>--Esther Schindler
>  (who may have some news RSN regarding an OS/2 REXX book)

Ahh ... perhaps a reprint (with updates???) of "Teach Yourself REXX in
21 Days"?


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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 07:56:03
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail]

In <83naqa$9vo$[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 08:38 AM, "Mark Yudkin" <[e-mail]> said:

The "fix" in the readme tells you to download the latest driver from ESS.
There are only new drivers for a handful of their chipsets not all.


>Perhaps if you calm down a little, you could get a little further.

>As you indicate, the readme only refers to some ESS models; however the
>referenced fix works on all ESS models that failed to work after
>application of both Warp3 and Warp4 fixpaks. If you politely indicate
>that the readme is incomplete, I'm sure the IBM people here will listen.

><[e-mail]> wrote in message
>news:385eae84$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$[e-mail]... > In
><165578194556491624383102@mike>, on 12/18/99
>>    at 07:55 PM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>> >you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>> >fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>> >experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>> >will make your life much easier.
>>
>>
>> My first suggestion is that you READ the actual message posted along with
>> the MODEL NUMBER OF THE CHIPSET before inserting foot so far down your
>> throat that you won't be able to injoy the upcoming holiday meal.  The
>> 1879 model was one of the more widely distributed chipsets and there is no
>> driver available.  ESS has moved on to chipsets with more bells & whistles
>> stating they have no intention of providing new drivers for that chipset.
>> The OS/2 Warp driver has worked flawlessly since its release in 1997.
>>
>> >Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
>> >IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
>> >they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
>> >and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
>> >no good purpose?
>>
>>
>> Maybe this would be a good thing.  It is obvious they are taking testing
>> lessons from Stardock and CDS now.  If it compiled, ship it!  Perhaps if
>> they spent less time praising themselves on-line and watching these
>> previous two companies hawking bugware they would be more inclined to
>> develop usable software rather than following the examples of those
>> companies.
>>
>> The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
>> life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>> >On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail]
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
>> >>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
>> >>
>> >>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>> >>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>> >>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>> >>>postings about this or
>> >>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>> >>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>> >>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>> >>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to
>code
>> >>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
>> >>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
>> >>
>> >>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
>> >>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this
>last
>> >>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of
>Forethought
>> >>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
>> >>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
>> >>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly
>IBM
>> >>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
>> >>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame
>it
>> >>on the parallel port manufacturers.
>> >>
>> >>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
>> >>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
>> >>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
>> >>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
>> >>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
>> >>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
>> >>
>> >>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
>> >>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer
>provides
>> >>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
>> >>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
>> >>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
>> >>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
>> >>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
>> >>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp
>"development"
>> >>team heading their way.
>> >>
>> >>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the
>history
>> >>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
>> >>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with
>all
>> >>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
>> >>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
>> >>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for
>it.
>> >>
>> >>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
>> >>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU
>site
>> >>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
>> >>the effort of killing off the product.
>> >>
>> >>Roland
>> >>
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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 00:24:17
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: "Kelvin Tsang" <[e-mail]>

Sorry, I am not able to cancel my last message,
but please just ignore it, as the method stated
won't work.
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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 11:26:12
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

Not that I know of.  I went from FP7 to 10 to WSeb on most of my own
machines, though.  I went to 12 on my laptop and my wifes system,
stopped at 10 on my bosses, most others that I maintain are at 7.

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:59:06 -0500, J. R. Fox wrote:

>
>"Michael W. Cocke" wrote:
>
>> If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>> you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>> fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>> experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>> will make your life much easier.
>>
>
>Michael --
>
>I'd like to add a related question into this thread.  Do you (or anyone else
reading
>this) know of any compelling reason why someone running at FP-9 with
generally good and
>reliable results might want to consider applying the latest FP ?  I know
there are
>supposed to be some later, additional Y2K fixes, but the most important
issues were
>probably addressed by the time of FP-9.  I've read over the APAR list that
comes with
>FP-12, but these things are often less than crystal clear.  In fact, there
was one
>significant problem that FP-9 had corrected for me, but there was no entry in
*that*
>APAR list which _clearly_ described it.
>
><jfox>
>
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail]                                 21-Dec-99 16:29:03
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: [e-mail] (andrew g)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:58:12, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
wrote:

> Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
> doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
> CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.

Try OS/2 System | System Setup | Install/Remove | Remote Install.

You'll have to make remote installation disks and set your adapter to
SSW Parallel Port NIC-LESS ADAPTER.

When I did this under Warp Connect, it was very slow and failed three
times before I got a succesful install.

But it *does* work.

A better solution is a BackPack CD-ROM Bantam, which has OS/2 drivers.
Alot of the .FLT files can be removed from your Warp Installation Disk
1 or 2, and the Backpack Parallel Port driver placed on the floppy in
their stead.

This has worked for me flawlessly under Warp Connect and Warp 4.

andrew

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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 16:30:01
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: operating systems

From: saviour <[e-mail]>

what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?
what are the advantages and disadvantages of each ?
why did the operating system operate the way it did?
what kind of interface did each have?

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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 11:30:17
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

Using BA/2 version professional 4.01 on all servers that I'm responsible
for (6) - disaster recovery, as well as non-disaster use - has been
tested repeatedly and works perfectly.  Roland is full of it again.


On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:40:14 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
>   at 12:28 AM, [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff) said:
>
>>I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
>>Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
>>port.
>
>>But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
>>thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.
>
>
>The Trackman I had was a bus model.  It was shipped prior to the PS/2
>connector style being invented.
>
>As to your BA/2 comment there are lots of people who not just think that
>product sucks, but can prove it repeatedly.  There are also quite a few
>people who have lost their jobs for buying that product.  You will notice
>that in an effort to avoid further criminal charges the manufacturer
>doesn't post spam out in the newsgroups anymore...assuming you bother to
>look.  When I find something that bad I play hard.  When consumer
>protection agencies receive repeatable physical proof of products not
>living up to advertisements they play harder...but the post office plays
>hardest of all.
>
>Roland
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]  wrote:
>
>>> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>>>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>>>
>>> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>>> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>>> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>>>
>>> >Alan
>>>
>>> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
>>> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
>>> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
>>> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>
>>> >Alan Beagley wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>>> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 11:49:02
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:30:02 GMT, saviour wrote:

>what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?
>what are the advantages and disadvantages of each ?
>why did the operating system operate the way it did?
>what kind of interface did each have?

Here's one more:

Why do computer science students keep showing up here asking us to do
their homework?

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From: [e-mail]                        21-Dec-99 16:54:08
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-2WLOcLFz6ekd@localhost>, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel
Jansens) writes:
>Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
>doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
>CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.

You can install a network either using a LapLink-type cable or with parallel
port adapters for either Ethernet or Token ring. I think I've even seen a
serial port NDIS driver somewhere...

Alternatively if you had a PCMCIA adapter for the Desktop you could copy
the OS2IMAGE sub-directory to a PCMCIA Type II or III  ATA hard disk and
use that.

Or... if there is another Laptop somewhere with a CD-ROM, swap the hard disk,
install OS/2 and swap back.

>I was thinking along the lines of a PLIP-install in Linux: with a
>laplink cable - that I do have - between the desktop and the notebook.
>Can't seem to find any reference in the installation guide, however.
>
>Karel Jansens
>jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
>=======================================================
>"The method employed I would gladly explain,
>While I have it so clear in my head,
>If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
>But much yet remains to be said."
>
>the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
>=======================================================

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From: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 09:43:27
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: "Lionel C. Abrahams" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Dec 1999 02:48:56 GMT, John Varela wrote:

>File --> New Document --> Create from Recently Used SmartMaster -->
>Browse for More Files
>
>In window 1 select Label, in window 2 double click on label.mwp and
>Voila!

There is no such thing in my Lotus 123.
The only place I find your detailed instructions above is in Lotus
Wordpro.
The extension .mwp is a wordpro smartmaster extension.
The 123 smartMaster in my 123 all have a .12m extension.




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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 07:30:20
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> After a nearly 10 month absence from OS/2,
> I was ecstatic to finally install Warp 4 on my
> brand new 9GB SCSI hard drive in my home system.
>
> The question now springs to mind, which is the
> minimal FP I should install?  I know that GA Warp 4
> has Y2K issues.  I also currently am only using
> the first 3GB of my drive, but I plan to eventually
> use those parts of it beyond the 8GB boundary so I
> may need the expanded CHKDSK functionality to see
> more that 8GB at a time.
>
> I will greatfully accept any advice in this matter.
>
I would install fixpack 10.  Also install the device driver fixpack 1.
Fixpack 12 had some multimedia problems on my system and Fixpack 11 had
a problem with archive bits on HPFS drives (which there is a patch
for).  Fixpack 10 was pretty good.  Fixpack 8 was also very good.  Every
fixpack after fixpack 5 makes OS/2 Y2K compliant.  The OS/2 and device
driver fixpacks will take care of chkdsk, etc.

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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 15:28:12
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: [e-mail]

"J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Wasn't there some *other* issue, in favor of sticking with an earlier version
?
>Some key feature they took out, or were forced to take out for legal reasons
?
>(Very vague recollections here.)

I believe it was that support for the old PKZip 1.x was taken out. IBM
still uses it, so when people were installing one of the packages, like
Java or TCPIP, I forget which, the full directory structure wasn't there,
causing the install to fail. So they either had to use IBM's pkunpak, or
an older version of InfoZip.

Gail Zimmerman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 15:45:22
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: Strange files

From: [e-mail]

"Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I was just looking in my MMOS2 directory to sort out another problem
>when I came across a couple of strange looking files. 00000000.001
>at 17529Kb and 00000000.002, 00000000.003 and 00000000.004 all at
>0Kb. I wonder what they are and can I safely delete them.

These are MMOS/2 temp file headers. Created if you do something like,
record a WAV file, decide you don't want it, and choose discard, rather
than having saved it and given it a filename. You can safely delete
these.

Gail Zimmerman
[e-mail]

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Dec-99 15:58:06
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.

I was thinking along the lines of a PLIP-install in Linux: with a
laplink cable - that I do have - between the desktop and the notebook.
Can't seem to find any reference in the installation guide, however.

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
=======================================================
"The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
But much yet remains to be said."

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From: [e-mail]                          21-Dec-99 08:12:14
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: info-zip: where?

From: Jonathan Seder <[e-mail]>

UnReduce was removed because of licensing issues.  However, you can, if
you wish, download the source, make a minor change to the makefile
(explained in the documentation) and reinstate that code.  But neither
InfoZip nor anyone else can distribute the object code.

Computer software, like the Ritz Hotel, is open to all.

> >Wasn't there some *other* issue, in favor of sticking with an earlier
version ?
> >Some key feature they took out, or were forced to take out for legal
reasons ?
> I believe it was that support for the old PKZip 1.x was taken out. IBM
> still uses it, so when people were installing one of the packages, like
> Java or TCPIP, I forget which, the full directory structure wasn't there,
> causing the install to fail. So they either had to use IBM's pkunpak, or
> an older version of InfoZip.

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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 11:23:22
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 20:31:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:20:43 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <165578194556491624383102@mike>, on 12/18/99
>   at 07:55 PM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:
>
>
>
>
>>If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>>you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>>fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>>experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>>will make your life much easier.

Thanks - I'm no longer the biggest a*hole I know when it comes to
sending messages without stopping to take a deep breath first...

As has already been mentioned, the readme only refers to specific
chipsets, but the solution works for al ESS driver problems.

Happy holiday!


>
>
>My first suggestion is that you READ the actual message posted along with
>the MODEL NUMBER OF THE CHIPSET before inserting foot so far down your
>throat that you won't be able to injoy the upcoming holiday meal.  The
>1879 model was one of the more widely distributed chipsets and there is no
>driver available.  ESS has moved on to chipsets with more bells & whistles
>stating they have no intention of providing new drivers for that chipset.
>The OS/2 Warp driver has worked flawlessly since its release in 1997.
>
>>Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
>>IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
>>they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
>>and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
>>no good purpose?
>
>
>Maybe this would be a good thing.  It is obvious they are taking testing
>lessons from Stardock and CDS now.  If it compiled, ship it!  Perhaps if
>they spent less time praising themselves on-line and watching these
>previous two companies hawking bugware they would be more inclined to
>develop usable software rather than following the examples of those
>companies.
>
>The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
>life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.
>
>Roland
>
>
>>On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail]
>>wrote:
>
>>>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
>>>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>>>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>>>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>>>>postings about this or
>>>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>>>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>>>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>>>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to code
>>>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
>>>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
>>>
>>>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
>>>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this last
>>>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of Forethought
>>>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
>>>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
>>>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly IBM
>>>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
>>>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame it
>>>on the parallel port manufacturers.
>>>
>>>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
>>>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
>>>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
>>>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
>>>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
>>>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
>>>
>>>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
>>>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer provides
>>>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
>>>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
>>>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
>>>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
>>>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
>>>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp "development"
>>>team heading their way.
>>>
>>>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the history
>>>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
>>>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with all
>>>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
>>>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
>>>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for it.
>>>
>>>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
>>>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU site
>>>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
>>>the effort of killing off the product.
>>>
>>>Roland
>>>
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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 19:24:19
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: I need a short CDRECORD tutorial...

From: [e-mail]

I don't know the answers, but I found answers to anything  and
everything about cdr in this faq (dif between udf, iso 9660, rockridge,
etc.):

http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/

It has plenty on audio cd burning which Ive never done so I ignored it.

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Thomas Kellerer <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Secondly, what's the big deal with DAO? I'm able to use it, but
what's the
> > purpose for it? Can you offer up some real-time samples of how and
when you
> > do use it?
> As far as I know, it is primarily used for Audio CD's. In most of the
> cases when you create an audio CD without DAO, writing each track as
one
> .wav file you will get a short (silent) pause between the tracks. This
> can only be avoided when creating the CD with DAO (or in my case with
> CDRecords/2's defpregap option for TEAC drives)
>
> Cheers
> Thomas
>


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From: [e-mail]                          22-Dec-99 05:17:19
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Strange files

From: "Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]>

On 21 Dec 1999 15:45:44 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

:>These are MMOS/2 temp file headers. Created if you do something like,
:>record a WAV file, decide you don't want it, and choose discard, rather
:>than having saved it and given it a filename. You can safely delete
:>these.

Thanks,

Deleted them a while ago.

Cheers

Wayne

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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 15:26:00
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

Using BA/2 version professional 4.01 on all servers that I'm responsible
for (6) - disaster recovery, as well as non-disaster use - has been
tested repeatedly and works perfectly.  Roland is full of it again.


On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:40:14 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
>   at 12:28 AM, [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff) said:
>
>>I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
>>Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
>>port.
>
>>But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
>>thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.
>
>
>The Trackman I had was a bus model.  It was shipped prior to the PS/2
>connector style being invented.
>
>As to your BA/2 comment there are lots of people who not just think that
>product sucks, but can prove it repeatedly.  There are also quite a few
>people who have lost their jobs for buying that product.  You will notice
>that in an effort to avoid further criminal charges the manufacturer
>doesn't post spam out in the newsgroups anymore...assuming you bother to
>look.  When I find something that bad I play hard.  When consumer
>protection agencies receive repeatable physical proof of products not
>living up to advertisements they play harder...but the post office plays
>hardest of all.
>
>Roland
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]  wrote:
>
>>> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>>>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>>>
>>> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>>> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>>> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>>>
>>> >Alan
>>>
>>> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
>>> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
>>> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
>>> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>
>>> >Alan Beagley wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>>> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 15:26:20
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:30:02 GMT, saviour wrote:

>what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?
>what are the advantages and disadvantages of each ?
>why did the operating system operate the way it did?
>what kind of interface did each have?

Here's one more:

Why do computer science students keep showing up here asking us to do
their homework?

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     21-Dec-99 20:34:09
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:30:15, [e-mail] (Maurice Batey)
wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Dec 1999 21:51:51, Karen wrote:
>
> > > http://service.software.ibm.com/asd-bin/doc/index.htm
>
>
> Could find no sign of any reference to Java 1.1.8 there.
>
> Anyone know where the download is available, please?
>
> Maurice Batey
> (Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

JAVA 1.1.8 is at that page. Look under the JAVA development kit, or
some such thing. Then, after you fill out all of the appropriate
registration things, you will be offered, at least, three large files.
The only one you need is the RUNTIME.EXE file. You may want the
version with the UNICODE font, if don't have it, and may want to
communicate with languages other than English. Be sure to read the
install instructions carefully.

While you are at that page, get, and install, the latest version of
the Feature Installer. You won't be able to install JAVA without it.

Next, I prefer getting JAVA fixes from:

ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: [e-mail]                          21-Dec-99 20:45:00
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:26:40, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:30:02 GMT, saviour wrote:
>
> >what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?
> >what are the advantages and disadvantages of each ?
> >why did the operating system operate the way it did?
> >what kind of interface did each have?
>
> Here's one more:
>
> Why do computer science students keep showing up here asking us to do
> their homework?
>
> >
> >--
> >Posted via CNET Help.com
> >http://www.help.com/

Notice these lines?

It might not be his fault. He probably just entered a question in the
CNET HELP.COM site, which does *NOT* make it clear that this will be
sent to a newsgroup.

Granted, his question contains a great deal more scope than a useful
search engine question should, at least until the HAL9000 comes on
line in, what year is it due, 2001?

--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                              21-Dec-99 15:49:05
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

You're right - I didn't notice those lines.


On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:45:00 GMT, Buddy Donnelly wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:26:40, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:30:02 GMT, saviour wrote:
>>
>> >what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?
>> >what are the advantages and disadvantages of each ?
>> >why did the operating system operate the way it did?
>> >what kind of interface did each have?
>>
>> Here's one more:
>>
>> Why do computer science students keep showing up here asking us to do
>> their homework?
>>
>> >
>> >--
>> >Posted via CNET Help.com
>> >http://www.help.com/
>
>Notice these lines?
>
>It might not be his fault. He probably just entered a question in the
>CNET HELP.COM site, which does *NOT* make it clear that this will be
>sent to a newsgroup.
>
>Granted, his question contains a great deal more scope than a useful
>search engine question should, at least until the HAL9000 comes on
>line in, what year is it due, 2001?
>
>--
>
>Good luck,
>
>Buddy
>
>Buddy Donnelly
>[e-mail]
>
>
>

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Dec-99 22:25:28
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:54:16, [e-mail] (John
Poltorak) wrote:

> In <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-2WLOcLFz6ekd@localhost>, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel
Jansens) writes:
> >Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
> >doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
> >CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.
>
> You can install a network either using a LapLink-type cable or with parallel
> port adapters for either Ethernet or Token ring. I think I've even seen a
> serial port NDIS driver somewhere...
>
Thanks for the suggestion.

> Alternatively if you had a PCMCIA adapter for the Desktop you could copy
> the OS2IMAGE sub-directory to a PCMCIA Type II or III  ATA hard disk and
> use that.
>
I have a 32 MB CF lying around somewhere, but I suspect it is too
small to hold the image. Besides, no PC Card adapter on the desktop...

> Or... if there is another Laptop somewhere with a CD-ROM, swap the hard
disk,
> install OS/2 and swap back.
>
An external CD-ROM (PC Card or parallel) would also have solved my
problems, but regrettably...

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
=======================================================
"The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
But much yet remains to be said."

the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
=======================================================

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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net                            21-Dec-99 22:25:25
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:29:07, [e-mail] (andrew g) wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:58:12, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
> wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
> > doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
> > CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.
>
> Try OS/2 System | System Setup | Install/Remove | Remote Install.
>
> You'll have to make remote installation disks and set your adapter to
> SSW Parallel Port NIC-LESS ADAPTER.
>
> When I did this under Warp Connect, it was very slow and failed three
> times before I got a succesful install.
>
> But it *does* work.
>
I'll give this one a try and pass the results to the group.
Thanks.

> A better solution is a BackPack CD-ROM Bantam, which has OS/2 drivers.
> Alot of the .FLT files can be removed from your Warp Installation Disk
> 1 or 2, and the Backpack Parallel Port driver placed on the floppy in
> their stead.
>
> This has worked for me flawlessly under Warp Connect and Warp 4.
>
Alas, no external CD-ROM available. It's been on my Xmas list - for
three years now. <G>

Karel Jansens
jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
=======================================================
"The method employed I would gladly explain,
While I have it so clear in my head,
If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
But much yet remains to be said."

the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
=======================================================

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From: [e-mail]                             21-Dec-99 23:06:26
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: [e-mail] (Mancini)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:30:40 -0500, "David T. Johnson"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>I would install fixpack 10.  Also install the device driver fixpack 1.
>Fixpack 12 had some multimedia problems on my system and Fixpack 11 had
>a problem with archive bits on HPFS drives (which there is a patch
>for).  Fixpack 10 was pretty good.  Fixpack 8 was also very good.  Every
>fixpack after fixpack 5 makes OS/2 Y2K compliant.  The OS/2 and device
>driver fixpacks will take care of chkdsk, etc.

    Where to get them? Are you talking about the fixpacks for
Merlin?


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From: [e-mail]                                    21-Dec-99 23:10:01
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Cool.. Warp 4 no problems with Y2K

From: [e-mail] (Bob Eager)

On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:27:35, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> The software may be fine, but it is quite likely that you will find that
> if you turn off a computer that old and turn it back on again, the date
> will be some time in 1980 (Jan 4??). That is the case with our 486
> machines with motherboards and BIOSes dating from 1992/94.

Unless of course you're running a PS/2 - ANY PS/2, even one
manufactured in 1987. They all work correctly once 'rolled over' and
will survive power cycling.
--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: ![e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 23:58:08
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: dBASE clone wanted

From: ![e-mail] (Bill Clark)

John Poltorak wrote:

> Has anyone ever come across a *text-mode* dBASE clone for OS/2?

> ...ideally, one which will read dBASE programs.

> Wonder what Borland have done with dBASE IV... I'm surprised there isn't
> a GNU version around.

dBase IV runs very well on a daily basis around here... Have used it
under 2.1, 3, and 4

-bc-

Except for the mouse, this message is brought to you from a Microsoft
free PC...

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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 16:08:07
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: Tim Martin <[e-mail]>

John Poltorak wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, Marvin Volz <[e-mail]> writes:
> >You're right and I stand corrected. The feature is in 123 SS97 for Windows;
not in
> >OS/2 version.
>
> Maybe it's in the new version of SmartSuite (1.5)... Has anyone got hold of
it
> yet?

Yes.  And no it is not in v1.5 either.  Must be a 'Windows-only'
feature but WordPro works like a charm here!

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
"Y2K NEW MEMBERSHIP Discounts Now Available!"


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From: [e-mail]                                    21-Dec-99 23:10:04
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Warp v4 installed & FP9 installed - now what?

From: [e-mail] (Bob Eager)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:25:28, "J. R. Fox" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> > Do yourself a HUGE favor and backout FP9.  Put FP8 on and NEVER UNDER ANY
> > CONDITIONS CONSIDER APPLYING ANOTHER FP FROM IBM.  All FP releases after
> > that point have been a deliberate attempt to remove the product entirely
> > from the marketplace.
> >
>
> FP-9 has been quite successful here.  NS crashes on me from time to time,
but that's
> about it.

I shouldn't worry about it. It's just another Roland rant.

--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: [e-mail]                               21-Dec-99 17:22:06
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: need help quick- netscape/2 4.61 prob

From: Grant Bierman <[e-mail]>

I was having problems with NS and though I'd just refresh the install,
uninstall ok
trap/reboot during install
2nd install: can't load resdll.dll
remove netscape
3rd install, reboot
4th install, can't load os2pref.js

that is where I am, sick and tired of trying to do a re-install of a
program the install prefect the first time I did it serveral months ago.

WarpUp US CD:
Fp 9
Netscape (128bit)

need any other info, ask...

....off to rest....

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From: [e-mail]                                21-Dec-99 23:38:00
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: The Register quotes IBM bestof the millenium

From: [e-mail] (Mike Stephen)


www.theregister.co.uk

 Posted 20/12/99 12:04pm by Team Register

 The Register's IT Company of the Millennium
 Award

 A panel of seven sages has decided that the prestigious Register IT
Company of
 the Millennium Award go to International Business Machines (IBM).

 The judges, meeting in closed session in the Freemason's Arms, close
to Vulture
 Central, unanimously agreed that IBM deserved the award because of
the services
 it had delivered to others.

 "IBM had a better Windows than Windows with its OS/2 operating
system," said
 one judge. "It selflessly allowed a small company from Seattle to
grow larger
 through allowing OS/2 to enter the city of Desuetude.

 Another judge was glowing about IBM's services to the PC industry.
"Although it
 wasn't the first company on the market by any means to have a
personal computer,
 it could have had the whole market to itself, especially when
corporate America
 adopted Lotus 1-2-3 as the spreadsheet of choice."

 However, she added, IBM kindly stepped out of the way and allowed
first Compaq,
 and then Dell to dominate the x86 PC market, and then bought Lotus
1-2-3 when it
 was a minority piece of software eclipsed by Microsoft Excel.

 The semiconductor judge cited the performance of IBM Microelectronics
as
 "peerless". He said that although it had own advanced fabrication
plants, every bit
 as good as Intel's, it decided to make x.86 processors using a Cyrix
design and not
 use them in its own machines, losing a heaven-sent opportunity to
compete with
 Chipzilla.

 Special mention was given to IBM's faultless inability to execute its
sales strategy
 properly. One judge observed that for a long period of time, IBM had
allowed
 several different internal sales forces to all compete with one
another for the same
 corporate users. In particular, the decision to sell all of its
systems through the
 distributor channel, then its decision to sell all of its systems
direct, then to sell all of
 its systems through the distributor channel and then to sell all of
its systems direct
 showed an inconsistency that took some beating.

 The judges recommended that the current CEO of IBM, Lou Gerstner, be
 nominated for the IT CEO of the Millennium prize, which is currently
being judged.
 They felt that Mr Gerstner's contribution of electronic boots, which
first gave rise to
 The Register's Bootnotes column, was a service to all humanity, and
would persist
 well into the new Millennium.

 The prize, a can of London Pride (kindly donated by Compaq), will be
awarded at a
 conference of the Glitterati on the eve of the next century.



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From: [e-mail]                          21-Dec-99 23:49:09
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: [e-mail] (Andrew Stephenson)

In article <[e-mail]>
       [e-mail] "Buddy Donnelly" writes:

> [...]  Granted, his question contains a great deal more scope
> than a useful search engine question should, at least until the
> HAL9000 comes on line in, what year is it due, 2001?

Actually, the primary mission-configured HAL 9000 unit became
operational a while ago and is currently undergoing pre-flight
testing at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois.  Although it
would by now probably be well able to answer the question which
started this thread, persuading the managers of the (top secret)
project to let you use it for homework would be the real trick.
Who knows what conflicts that might leave in its subconcious for
resolution at a later, more awkward, time.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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From: [e-mail]                               22-Dec-99 00:19:11
  To: All                                               21-Dec-99 21:33:20
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail] (Esther Schindler)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:23:51, [e-mail] (Dan Casey) wrote:

| Ahh ... perhaps a reprint (with updates???) of "Teach Yourself REXX in
| 21 Days"?

I don't preannounce. :-)

--Esther

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From: [e-mail]                           22-Dec-99 02:19:06
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:26:29
Subj: Re: Making labels with Wordpro

From: [e-mail] (John Varela)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:43:54, "Lionel C. Abrahams"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> On 21 Dec 1999 02:48:56 GMT, John Varela wrote:
>
> >File --> New Document --> Create from Recently Used SmartMaster -->
> >Browse for More Files
> >
> >In window 1 select Label, in window 2 double click on label.mwp and
> >Voila!
>
> There is no such thing in my Lotus 123.
> The only place I find your detailed instructions above is in Lotus
> Wordpro.
> The extension .mwp is a wordpro smartmaster extension.
> The 123 smartMaster in my 123 all have a .12m extension.

????  The name of this thread is "Making lables with Wordpro".
                                                     ^^^^^^^

--
John Varela
to e-mail, remove - between mind and spring

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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 19:39:10
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
   at 09:46 AM, [e-mail] said:

No matter what ANYBODY tells you, stop at FP8.  Every FP after that was a
busted pathetic waste of magnetic media.

Roland

>After a nearly 10 month absence from OS/2,
>I was ecstatic to finally install Warp 4 on my
>brand new 9GB SCSI hard drive in my home system.

>The question now springs to mind, which is the
>minimal FP I should install?  I know that GA Warp 4
>has Y2K issues.  I also currently am only using
>the first 3GB of my drive, but I plan to eventually
>use those parts of it beyond the 8GB boundary so I
>may need the expanded CHKDSK functionality to see
>more that 8GB at a time.

>I will greatfully accept any advice in this matter.

>Thanks,
>Steven


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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 09:52:09
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: "Kelvin Tsang" <[e-mail]>

Really ?  I just thought that it won't work in my last message ...
I thought the remote install cannot recognise the simulated NIC.
Kelvin


jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) ╝╢╝g⌐≤ñσ│╣ ...
>> Try OS/2 System | System Setup | Install/Remove | Remote Install.
>>
>> You'll have to make remote installation disks and set your adapter to
>> SSW Parallel Port NIC-LESS ADAPTER.
>>
>> When I did this under Warp Connect, it was very slow and failed three
>> times before I got a succesful install.
>>
>> But it *does* work.



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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 19:41:04
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: [e-mail]

In <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-2WLOcLFz6ekd@localhost>, on 12/21/99
   at 03:58 PM, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) said:

>Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
>doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
>CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.

>I was thinking along the lines of a PLIP-install in Linux: with a
>laplink cable - that I do have - between the desktop and the notebook.
>Can't seem to find any reference in the installation guide, however.

I think there was a command file on the original distribution disk which
allowed you to make floppies.  I did this once a long time ago.  Was like
50-90 floppies.  I would seriously look into getting a PCMCIA SCSI card
and hanging a SCSI CD-ROM drive off it.  Seems like the really old crummy
Adaptec model is the only one natively supported.  Tis most odd, but in my
notebook utility disks seem to find it even without PCMCIA support loaded.

Caveat 1:  The card is damned slow and getting hard to find.
Caveat 2:  It is an Adaptec product, so be prepared for standard Adaptec
results Caveat 3:  No matter how you try to reprogram this card with the
DOS configuration utilities it is going to squat on IRQ 9 during power up
until something tells it to do otherwise.  No matter what switch you put
on the device driver line for OS/2 Warp the device driver will still check
IRQ 9 along with the switch setting.

The bottom line is it should get you where you need to be.  If not, you
can spend a few hours making up the floppies.

Roland
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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 20:08:19
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail]

In <115167994579342527216990@mike>, on 12/21/99
   at 11:23 AM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:20:43 -0500, [e-mail]
>wrote:

>>In <165578194556491624383102@mike>, on 12/18/99
>>   at 07:55 PM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>If you READ any and all included documentation with a new fixpack BEFORE
>>>you install it, you will make your life much easier.  If you approach
>>>fixpacks with the attitude that IBM suggests - "if you aren't
>>>experiencing one of the problems we fixed, don't install this fix", you
>>>will make your life much easier.

>Thanks - I'm no longer the biggest a*hole I know when it comes to
>sending messages without stopping to take a deep breath first...

>As has already been mentioned, the readme only refers to specific
>chipsets, but the solution works for al ESS driver problems.

>Happy holiday!

No it doesn't.  At least with this particular chipset.

Merry Christmass and a prosperous New Year!

Here's hoping the power stays on!

Roland


>>
>>
>>My first suggestion is that you READ the actual message posted along with
>>the MODEL NUMBER OF THE CHIPSET before inserting foot so far down your
>>throat that you won't be able to injoy the upcoming holiday meal.  The
>>1879 model was one of the more widely distributed chipsets and there is no
>>driver available.  ESS has moved on to chipsets with more bells & whistles
>>stating they have no intention of providing new drivers for that chipset.
>>The OS/2 Warp driver has worked flawlessly since its release in 1997.
>>
>>>Ranting at any IBM-type who shows up in here will only serve to keep the
>>>IBM people out of here.  It won't get IBM to do anything with OS/2 that
>>>they weren't going to do anyway (unless you get a gun and Lou Gerstner,
>>>and I doubt even that would help), so why raise your blood pressure to
>>>no good purpose?
>>
>>
>>Maybe this would be a good thing.  It is obvious they are taking testing
>>lessons from Stardock and CDS now.  If it compiled, ship it!  Perhaps if
>>they spent less time praising themselves on-line and watching these
>>previous two companies hawking bugware they would be more inclined to
>>develop usable software rather than following the examples of those
>>companies.
>>
>>The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
>>life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.
>>
>>Roland
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:20:52 -0500, [e-mail]
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/17/99
>>>>   at 09:51 AM, "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]> said:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:09:03 -0500, [e-mail]
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>IBM did its best to alienate a mass quantity of OS/2 users with this
>>>>>>release by breaking ESS sound chip support.
>>>>>Hard to know whether you're new and just haven't followed the repeated
>>>>>postings about this or
>>>>>you just can't understand: IBM did NOT break this device driver. It was
>>>>>ALWAYS BROKEN. Prior to about FP9 it just happened by luck to work.  We
>>>>>have many hacks in the operating system to work around
>>>>>defects in device drivers and hardware, but this one was too much to code
>>>>>around. If you're alienated, I'm sorry to hear it.
>>>>> -Scott Garfinkle   OS/2 Change Team Lead
>>>>
>>>>I am not new and have been paying attention.  I am also not buying the
>>>>bullshit no matter how you cook it.  In ALL FP releases prior to this last
>>>>one I installed the driver worked flawlessly.  With Malice of Forethought
>>>>IBM deliberately and visciously released a version of OS/2 fix pak which
>>>>could not boot with this driver in place eventhough the driver had
>>>>previously been working flawlessly for _years_.  (ES1879DD)  Suddenly IBM
>>>>decided to blame it all on another vendor and ship another really buggy
>>>>Fix Pak..and while they are at it, torpedo printing, _wtf_ we'll blame it
>>>>on the parallel port manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>>The odacity of this decision is mind boggling.  The ESS chipsets are
>>>>whored out to many manufacturers and are sold under lots of different
>>>>names.  Some of the chipsets which were deliberately targetted for
>>>>extinction by the Warp FP team even exist in IBM Thinkpads.  Who do you
>>>>think _they_ are going to bitch to?  Bet I can guess the Microsoftian
>>>>response..."I'm sorry sir you will have to upgrade your hardware".
>>>>
>>>>Add to this the fact that since the chipsets requiring this driver had
>>>>been stable in the market place for so long the company no longer provides
>>>>_any_ sort of driver updates anymore.  They still sell the chip set to
>>>>manufacturers that need it, but are concentrating more on their newer
>>>>chipsets.  The source code for the device driver is not available, there
>>>>is no new device driver forthcoming, so the pile of IBM Thinkpad owners
>>>>along with ProStar notebook owners and a rash of other notebook owners
>>>>suddenly smell the air reek of KY gel while seeing the Warp "development"
>>>>team heading their way.
>>>>
>>>>FP12 has been the _most_ irresponsible FP release for Warp in the history
>>>>of the product. Why don't you just officially announce the product as
>>>>pulled?  Put the source in a vault so nobody can get to it, along with all
>>>>of the copies sitting in inventory.  You as a company/development team
>>>>have deliberately tried to end the life of this product hundreds, if not
>>>>thousands, of times.  Quite making those of us that like it bleed for it.
>>>>
>>>>To add insult to injury.  Thanks to the changes in RSU and SERVICE you
>>>>can't even reapply FP8.  But that's OK.  IBM pulled FP8 from the RSU site
>>>>anyway.  No sense leaving up a FP that still worked.  This would defeat
>>>>the effort of killing off the product.
>>>>
>>>>Roland
>>>>
>>>>--
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>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
>>>               Because network administration is like herding cats.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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From: [e-mail]                21-Dec-99 20:10:13
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail]

In <156139094579383527213534@mike>, on 12/21/99
   at 11:30 AM, Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]> said:


>Using BA/2 version professional 4.01 on all servers that I'm responsible
>for (6) - disaster recovery, as well as non-disaster use - has been
>tested repeatedly and works perfectly.  Roland is full of it again.

Believe what you wish.  CDS couldn't make their product work under the
posted test conditions either.

Roland

>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:40:14 -0500, [e-mail]
>wrote:

>>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
>>   at 12:28 AM, [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff) said:
>>
>>>I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
>>>Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
>>>port.
>>
>>>But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
>>>thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.
>>
>>
>>The Trackman I had was a bus model.  It was shipped prior to the PS/2
>>connector style being invented.
>>
>>As to your BA/2 comment there are lots of people who not just think that
>>product sucks, but can prove it repeatedly.  There are also quite a few
>>people who have lost their jobs for buying that product.  You will notice
>>that in an effort to avoid further criminal charges the manufacturer
>>doesn't post spam out in the newsgroups anymore...assuming you bother to
>>look.  When I find something that bad I play hard.  When consumer
>>protection agencies receive repeatable physical proof of products not
>>living up to advertisements they play harder...but the post office plays
>>hardest of all.
>>
>>Roland
>>
>>>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]  wrote:
>>
>>>> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>>>>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>>>>
>>>> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>>>> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>>>> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>>>>
>>>> >Alan
>>>>
>>>> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
>>>> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
>>>> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
>>>> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>>>>
>>>> Roland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Alan Beagley wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>>>> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
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From: [e-mail]                                     19-Dec-99 19:20:08
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros)

"Steven C. Britton" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Kenn Sunley wrote:
>
>> Go ahead bust some unions - and while you're at it - get rid of medicare,
>...
>
>Sure!
>
>> old age pensions, ...
>
>Absolutely!
>
>> ... all pensions for that matter,
>
>People should be responsible for their own pensions.  If the company they
>work for wants to set up a group pension plan, that's fine too.  Government
>has no responsibility in the matter.
>

Why not just put everyone over 65 to death?

>> universal school educations ...
>
>Without a doubt!

Now this is truly scary.

>
>> all labour codes - including health and safety...
>
>Don't work for companies that don't keep responsible health and safety
>codes.  You don't need a union to uphold that.  If nobody works for such a
>company, they can't produce; and therefore they disappear.
>
>... or, at least, only those willing to work in those conditions would work
>there, and the company wouldn't produce _good_ stuff, and they'd disappear.
>

Then by your logic, those third-world shoe factories should be long gone by
now.

>> ... minimum wage standards...
>
>Sure!  Minimum wage kills jobs.
>

The type of job which can't pay minimum wage isn't worth having around.

>> human rights...
>
>Don't be stupid.
>
>The only human rights are (a) the right to life, (b) the right to liberty,
>and (c) the right to own and enjoy property.

I would have added (d) the right to freedom of speech (e) the right of
religous expression (f) the right to vote in a democratic election (g) the
right to legal representation in a trial, etc., etc....

>
>Any other "right" is a fictitious construct.
>
>> ... environmental laws...
>
>Sure!  If a company isn't being environmentally responsible, then people
>won't do business with them.


I notice Exxon is still in business.

>
>> just cause dismissals ...
>
>Unions have nothing to do with that; it's a violation of one's right to
>liberty because the company, by not dismissing with just cause, is
>initiating force against the person they're canning.
>

It's interesting to see yet another interesting definition of "initiation
of force".  Just goes to show you that you can define it to mean anything
you want it to.

>> and thousands of other good laws and societal standards that unions have
>> fought for in this country.
>
>There aren't any.
>
>> It is strange, that if not for the unions you hate so much - you probably
>> wouldn't even have the public voice with which to decry their existence.
>
>That's pure, unadulterated crap.  The three rights I listed above have
>always existed and will always exist.  Unions had nothing to do with them.

Guess again.  Your rights only exist so long as there is a strong
government to protect them.  Otherwise you can scream at the top of your
lungs about your right to life all the while they're dragging you out to
the firing squad.




>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>What have YOU done to bust a union today?
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Work better: Work union-free.
>
>Steven C. Britton
>Calgary
>
>www.cadvision.com/sbritton
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail]                             22-Dec-99 03:50:00
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: I need a short CDRECORD tutorial...

From: [e-mail]

[e-mail] writes:

>I don't know the answers, but I found answers to anything  and
>everything about cdr in this faq (dif between udf, iso 9660, rockridge,
>etc.):
>
>http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/
>
>It has plenty on audio cd burning which Ive never done so I ignored it.

Thank you, this is just what I've wanted. I've made a bookmark of it.
I've taken bit's and pieces from old articles, and docs, and tried to
piece it all together for my own needs. This is a big help!

Gail Zimmerman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                            21-Dec-99 22:05:08
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <[e-mail]>

Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
> >
> >People should be responsible for their own pensions.  If the company they
> >work for wants to set up a group pension plan, that's fine too.
Government
> >has no responsibility in the matter.
>
> Why not just put everyone over 65 to death?

The world doesn't owe anyone a living.  That includes people over 65 years
of age.  It is your own responsibility to make sure you can live after
retirement.

> >> universal school educations ...
> >
> >Without a doubt!
>
> Now this is truly scary.

Not at all: private education is far better for people than public.  The
competition between schools keeps it that way.

> >> all labour codes - including health and safety...
> >
> >Don't work for companies that don't keep responsible health and safety
> >codes.  You don't need a union to uphold that.  If nobody works for such
a
> >company, they can't produce; and therefore they disappear.
> >
> >... or, at least, only those willing to work in those conditions would
work
> >there, and the company wouldn't produce _good_ stuff, and they'd
disappear.
> >
> Then by your logic, those third-world shoe factories should be long gone
by
> now.

Those "third-world shoe factories" of which you speak are probably far safer
and healthy than the other businesses that exist in those countries.

> >> ... minimum wage standards...
> >
> >Sure!  Minimum wage kills jobs.
> >
>
> The type of job which can't pay minimum wage isn't worth having around.

People should be paid what they're worth.

> >> human rights...
> >
> >Don't be stupid.
> >
> >The only human rights are (a) the right to life, (b) the right to
liberty,
> >and (c) the right to own and enjoy property.
>
> I would have added (d) the right to freedom of speech

That's liberty.

> (e) the right of religous expression

Liberty...

> (f) the right to vote in a democratic election

Liberty...

> (g) the right to legal representation in a trial, etc., etc....

Liberty.

You see, liberty encompasses all of the fictitious constructs you've
postulated in (d),(e),(f), and (g).  They're ALL "liberty".

> >Sure!  If a company isn't being environmentally responsible, then people
> >won't do business with them.
>
> I notice Exxon is still in business.

They took a huge hit, and they also took a huge responsibility in repairing
the damage.

> >> just cause dismissals ...
> >
> >Unions have nothing to do with that; it's a violation of one's right to
> >liberty because the company, by not dismissing with just cause, is
> >initiating force against the person they're canning.
>
> It's interesting to see yet another interesting definition of "initiation
> of force".  Just goes to show you that you can define it to mean anything
> you want it to.

Not at all: "Initiation of force" simply boils down to the violation of
another's fundamental rights of liberty, life, or property.

> >That's pure, unadulterated crap.  The three rights I listed above have
> >always existed and will always exist.  Unions had nothing to do with
them.
>
> Guess again.  Your rights only exist so long as there is a strong
> government to protect them.  Otherwise you can scream at the top of your
> lungs about your right to life all the while they're dragging you out to
> the firing squad.

Tyrannical governments exist all over the place, and they violate one's
rights all the time.  That doesn't remove that right from the person.
People are free (have liberty) by definition.  They have the right to
property by definition, and they have the right to life by definition.

Just because a tyrannical government may violate those rights doesn't mean
that those rights cease to exist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: [e-mail]                                     19-Dec-99 20:25:11
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail] (Siobhan Medeiros)

"Steven C. Britton" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Tim Rosnau wrote:
>
>> "Steven C. Britton" wrote:
>> >
>> > Only a fascist would try to harm another because they have a different
>> > opinion.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--
>> > What have YOU done to bust a union today?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--
>
>> This is really intelligent coming from a guy who is in favor of
>> union busting.
>
>Yes.
>
>I advocate union busting.  That does not mean I advocate harm to individual
>union members.  It means that I advocate the decertification and breaking up
>of unions.
>
>For too long, union goons and their rent-a-mob tactics of threats and
>intimidation have harmed the owners of reputable corporations, and it is
>time for this crap to stop.
>

Employers are far more likely to use rent-a-mobs than unions.  Check out
what happened at Echlin's plant in Mexico City sometime when the UAW tried
organizing the workers there.

In other third-world countries, union organizers tend to...disappear.




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From: [e-mail]                 22-Dec-99 01:01:26
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 03:27:00
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: [e-mail] (Raphael Tennenbaum)

jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens) wrote:

<snip>
>> Or... if there is another Laptop somewhere with a CD-ROM, swap the hard
disk,
>> install OS/2 and swap back.
>>
>An external CD-ROM (PC Card or parallel) would also have solved my
>problems, but regrettably...
>
>Karel Jansens
>jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net


Two suggestions:

1) You may be able to find a refurbished Panasonic PCMCIA
CD-rom for pretty cheap -- I think I got one for about 30
bucks.  The CD-ROM is actually a piece of crap, but
fortunately the PCMCIA SCSI card which comes with it has
OS/2 drivers (I think it may be a Tekram, but I really don't
know).  In my case, I happen to have an external SCSI cd-rom
on my desktop, and a judicious purchase of a couple cables
and adaptors has allowed me to string it & other SCSI
devices off my ThinkPad.

2) Failing that, if you've got enough disk space, you can
copy everything from the CD-ROM to the hard disk by
installing Jan van Wijk's LPTOOL with a laplink cable.
Then, follow the directions here

http://service5.boulder.ibm.com/pspsdocs.nsf/8d77653332b629ab862563cc005ee09a/9
e2009fe42b1cf1986256332007a79e1?OpenDocument

to install via hard disk.  (Sorry if this is old news, I
lost the top of this thread.)


--
Ray Tennenbaum        '99 YZF-R6
readme@ http://www.ray-field.com

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 08:57:24
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 05:20:00
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail] (Brian)

At www.closeoutbooks.com (or is it www.bookcloseouts.com ? ) search
for OS/2.
I just got Inside OS/2 Warp for $2.99.  I realize this isn't a direct
answer to your question on a book for Warp 4 but it's a source of
cheap books w/ info that can still be used w/ Warp 4.

    Brian

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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 09:14:26
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: radu <[e-mail]>

Hello!
I've recently purchased from somebody in US an OS/2 box. I've received
it OK, in a sealed box, but inside there was only one CD: the DDPack.
They were the books, the boot diskettes too. This is not funny at all...

The question is in the subject.
Thanks!
Radu

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From: [e-mail]                        22-Dec-99 09:39:13
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: Re: Warp 4 on a notebook w/o CD-ROM or LAN?

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-PKEqdpzChy8d@localhost>, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel
Jansens) writes:
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:54:16, [e-mail] (John
>Poltorak) wrote:
>
>> In <L9BY9tzSDwrQ-pn2-2WLOcLFz6ekd@localhost>, jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel
Jansens) writes:
>> >Is there a way to get Warp 4 on a Dell Latitude (pentium 75) that
>> >doesn't have a CD-ROM or a LAN-connection? There is a desktop with
>> >CD-ROM and Warp 4 already installed, but no network card, alas.
>>
>> You can install a network either using a LapLink-type cable or with
parallel
>> port adapters for either Ethernet or Token ring. I think I've even seen a
>> serial port NDIS driver somewhere...
>>
>Thanks for the suggestion.
>
>> Alternatively if you had a PCMCIA adapter for the Desktop you could copy
>> the OS2IMAGE sub-directory to a PCMCIA Type II or III  ATA hard disk and
>> use that.
>>
>I have a 32 MB CF lying around somewhere, but I suspect it is too
>small to hold the image. Besides, no PC Card adapter on the desktop...
>
>> Or... if there is another Laptop somewhere with a CD-ROM, swap the hard
disk,
>> install OS/2 and swap back.
>>
>An external CD-ROM (PC Card or parallel) would also have solved my
>problems, but regrettably...

Another idea I just had - not sure how feasible, but...

Get a parallel port ZIP drive, copy the image onto that, then attach it to the
laptop.

>Karel Jansens
>jansens_at_attglobal_dot_net
>=======================================================
>"The method employed I would gladly explain,
>While I have it so clear in my head,
>If I had but the time and you had but the brain -
>But much yet remains to be said."
>
>the Hunting of the Snark (Lewis Carroll)
>=======================================================

--
John

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From: [e-mail]                        22-Dec-99 10:06:14
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: RSHD

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

Has anyone got the remote shell daemon, RSHD, working under OS/2?

It starts OK but I'm unable to connect to it from a client, but suspect
this is due to authentication.

Is authentication done through a combination of rhosts and trusers?
If so, an example would be useful...

BTW I'm using RSHD from WSeB.

--
John

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From: [e-mail]                    22-Dec-99 09:46:08
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: Very strange problem with PLIP connection

From: Sebastiano Vigna <[e-mail]>

I have spent a week-end trying to get plip to work between two out-of-the-box
RedHat 6.1 Linuxes, with no results. The surprising thing that happens is that
the link works: when I ping one machine (urfida) from the other (dina) the
packets _are_ sent, as tcpdump (on urfida) shows:

23:20:02.038498 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:03.038278 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:04.038117 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:05.038030 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:06.037867 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:07.037755 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
23:20:08.037610 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request

But--surprise!--the back packet is never sent. It is like inetd is not
seeing the packets, even if they get to the machine.

I have sincerely no idea of what's happening. Of course all the parallel
problems are ruled out, as packets travel happily in both direction without
errors. But the networking system does not see them.

I enclose at the end of the message the ifconfig/route output for both
machines, and the complete description of a ping packet as made by ethereal.
Note that I have even tried to run plip in PROMISC mode and/or activate a
default route through the link for all packets, with no results.

The only "suspicious" thing is that to/from Ethernet addresses of the packets
are the same, but if this is the problem I think it is a bug in plip.c
(which dates 1997...).

Thank you for any help,

                    seba


----------- urfida -----------------
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0

plip0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:01:01
          inet addr:192.168.1.1  P-t-P:192.168.1.2  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:57 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
          Interrupt:5 Base address:0x278

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
192.168.1.2     *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 plip0
127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo



---------- dina -------------------
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0

plip0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:01:02
          inet addr:192.168.1.2  P-t-P:192.168.1.1  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
          Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378

Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
192.168.1.1     *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 plip0
127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
--------------------------------------
Frame 1:
Frame (98 on wire, 98 captured)
    Arrival Time: Dec 19, 1999 23:20:36.0339
    Packet Length: 98 bytes
    Capture Length: 98 bytes
Ethernet II
    Destination: fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02 (fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02)
    Source: fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02 (fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02)
    Type: IP (0x0800)
Internet Protocol
    Version: 4
    Header length: 20 bytes
    Type of service: 0x00 (None)
        000. .... = routine precedence
        ...0 .... = normal delay
        .... 0... = normal throughput
        .... .0.. = normal reliability
        .... ..0. = normal cost
    Total Length: 84
    Identification: 0x0061
    Flags: 0x0
        .0.. .... = may fragment
        ..0. .... = last fragment
    Fragment offset: 0
    Time to live: 64
    Protocol: ICMP
    Header checksum: 0xf6f4
    Source: dina (192.168.1.2)
    Destination: urfida (192.168.1.1)
Internet Control Message Protocol
    Type: 8 (Echo (ping) request)
    Code: 0
    Checksum: 0x6a05
    Identifier: 0xb801
    Sequence number: 24832
    Data (56 bytes)

   0  7e59 5d38 0bff 0700 0809 0a0b 0c0d 0e0f   ~Y]8............
  10  1011 1213 1415 1617 1819 1a1b 1c1d 1e1f   ................
  20  2021 2223 2425 2627 2829 2a2b 2c2d 2e2f    !"#$%&'()*+,-./
  30  3031 3233 3435 3637                       01234567



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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 11:56:27
  To: [e-mail]                                    22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: Re: StarOffice upgrade in small bits

To: "Dr D.J. Maconochie" <[e-mail]>
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Falkenstein <[e-mail]>

Hi out there,

if you can tell me if there is a method to create chunks from the original
file, I
can do so for you.
I would send out a CD if you like, but this is going to be to expensive to
ship.

Regards,
  Jörg

"Dr D.J. Maconochie" wrote:

> I have tried to download the latest upgrade to StarOffice around 10 times
now.
> The furthest I have got is around 30 Mb before losing the connection and
wasting
> the file.
>
> Is the upgrade packaged somewhere in <10 Mb chunks?
>
> Thanks
>
> David Maconochie

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 11:57:03
  To: [e-mail]                                    22-Dec-99 10:31:07
Subj: Re: StarOffice upgrade in small bits

To: "Dr D.J. Maconochie" <[e-mail]>
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Falkenstein <[e-mail]>

Hi out there,

if you can tell me if there is a method to create chunks from the original
file, I
can do so for you.
I would send out a CD if you like, but this is going to be to expensive to
ship.

Regards,
  Jörg

"Dr D.J. Maconochie" wrote:

> I have tried to download the latest upgrade to StarOffice around 10 times
now.
> The furthest I have got is around 30 Mb before losing the connection and
wasting
> the file.
>
> Is the upgrade packaged somewhere in <10 Mb chunks?
>
> Thanks
>
> David Maconochie

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From: [e-mail]                             22-Dec-99 23:41:16
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Don Hills)

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>You sure can stop Word from running CMD.EXE; just remove the execute
privilege
>from the ACL.  Done.  (You almost certainly want the admin group to be able
to
>run it, though, I bet you'll have booting problems otherwise.)  But really
>this is not important because CMD.EXE access doesn't hurt anything that
>couldn't be hurt through some application.

The security designers weren't amateurs. This was a law enforcement
system and it was designed to be tight. Word was the only app that
*could* hurt anything on these systems. The other apps were custom or
3rd party. Search for INCIS, if you have a few evenings free. You'll be
"shocked and amazed", it all ended with the NZ Government and IBM suing
each other...

>Generally problems doing this come down to one or two configuration problems:
>1) You're using FAT instead of NTFS so you don't have filesystem access
>control.  2) You're allowing users to run as administrator.

NTFS, and only the security people could run administrator. I was in
the "third level" support group that got the "hard" problems, and we had
to pass the call to the security group whenever permissions etc needed
setting up or changing- and, for example, to recreate directories that
only some task with administrator privileges could have deleted... and
the only way to be able to log on as administrator was for the machine
to be connected to the network so it could reach the security server,
and all accesses were logged and audited.

>Gripes aside, it is possible to lock down NT quite tightly -- and it's not
>even all that hard.

I agree, but I'd phrase it like this: it's not rocket science, but it's
not possible to make it airtight.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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From: [e-mail]                                 22-Dec-99 12:12:19
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: dBASE clone wanted

From: peter volsted <[e-mail]>

hi

> Bill Clark wrote:
-----

> dBase IV runs very well on a daily basis around here... Have used it
> under 2.1, 3, and 4

here too - and to get ready for rollover you just have to: SET century on.
:-))

good luck

peter


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From: [e-mail]                        22-Dec-99 12:44:19
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: dBASE clone wanted

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <[e-mail]>,
![e-mail] (Bill Clark) writes:
>John Poltorak wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever come across a *text-mode* dBASE clone for OS/2?
>
>> ...ideally, one which will read dBASE programs.
>
>> Wonder what Borland have done with dBASE IV... I'm surprised there isn't
>> a GNU version around.
>
>dBase IV runs very well on a daily basis around here... Have used it
>under 2.1, 3, and 4

Yes, I know it runs, but it's just not the same as having a native version.

>-bc-
>
>Except for the mouse, this message is brought to you from a Microsoft
>free PC...
>

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From: [e-mail]                                    22-Dec-99 12:13:28
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: Whats a good book to buy for Warp v4.0?

From: [e-mail] (Dan Casey)

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Esther Schindler) wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:23:51, [e-mail] (Dan Casey) wrote:
>
>| Ahh ... perhaps a reprint (with updates???) of "Teach Yourself REXX in
>| 21 Days"?
>
>I don't preannounce. :-)
>
>--Esther

You've been hanging around those IBMers too much :-)))

--
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*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: [e-mail]                                    22-Dec-99 12:13:28
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: [e-mail] (Dan Casey)

In article <[e-mail]>, radu <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello!
>I've recently purchased from somebody in US an OS/2 box. I've received
>it OK, in a sealed box, but inside there was only one CD: the DDPack.
>They were the books, the boot diskettes too. This is not funny at all...
>
>The question is in the subject.
>Thanks!
>Radu
>

Should have been 3 boot diskettes, the Warp 4 CD, the DDPak CD, Lotus
Notes Mail 4.1 CD, and an Applications Sampler CD.

--
**************************************************************
*  Dan Casey                                                 *
*  President                                                 *
*  V.O.I.C.E. (Virtual OS/2 International Consumer Education *
*  http://www.os2voice.org                                   *
*  Abraxas on IRC                                            *
*  http://members.iquest.net/~dcasey                         *
*  Charter Associate member, Team SETI                       *
*  Warpstock 99 in Atlanta  http://www.warpstock.org         *
**************************************************************
*  E-Mail (subject: Req. PGP Key) for Public Key             *
**************************************************************

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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 12:16:05
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: radu <[e-mail]>

Thanks!
radu

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From: [e-mail]                                 22-Dec-99 06:36:27
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, saviour <[e-mail]>
spake unto us, saying:

>what are the operating system designed for ibm compatible machines?

There have been *dozens* of operating systems written and released for
Intel-compatible machines.

Your question isn't a trivial one to answer thoroughly -- but I would
suggest doing a search in DejaNews for "Intel" and "operating systems"
to get some idea.

--
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  [e-mail]  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
               A hand in the bush beats two on the bird?

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From: [e-mail]                                 22-Dec-99 06:34:16
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 10:31:08
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail] (Dan Casey) spake unto us, saying:

>Should have been 3 boot diskettes, the Warp 4 CD, the DDPak CD, Lotus
>Notes Mail 4.1 CD, and an Applications Sampler CD.

Yup.  I can also verify that both the "upgrade" and "full" editions of
OS/2 Warp 4 each have the same four CD-ROMs labelled as Dan described,
since I have one of each here.

--
   -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  [e-mail]  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
              "Wesley Crusher?  Great idea.  Turn it on!"

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From: [e-mail]                                     22-Dec-99 13:48:14
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 15:50:24
Subj: Re: Project Concorde - plan to run Win32 apps under OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Bj¢rn Vermo)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:59:09, Jim Frost <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> Token ring has its own problems.

Mainly the lack of competent personell.
>
> If you have a drive you're not diskless.  It makes a difference because the
> disk is one of the few components that is likely to fail at least once in
the
> lifetime of a typical machine.  Now, I completely agree that you can utilize
> the disk as a local cache for huge wins, but it's not diskless anymore.
>
Define "lifetime of a typical machine" and "likely to fail".
Unless you purchase garbage or turn the drives on and off all the
time, the MTBF of even rather inexpensive modern drives is over ten
years.

Now, if the drive in a WSOD client croaks, the user might complain
about the ugly sound and there might be a small drop in performance,
but there is no rush to replace it. The client works perfectly well
without it.

Of course, if you run remotely over TCP/IP with an ISDN connection (or
worse), the loss of the local drive would hurt performance seriously,
but that is another matter.


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From: [e-mail]                                     22-Dec-99 14:07:04
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 15:50:24
Subj: Re: do you have OS/2 1.1?

From: [e-mail] (Bj¢rn Vermo)

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:50:37, [e-mail] (Dave Tholen)
wrote:

>
> But there's the old argument about what constitutes an "OS".
>
I have newer heard anybody claim that GEM was, or even was based on,
an operating system. Windows 95 is the first Windows product which
manages to satisfy the usual minimum requirements for being called an
operating system rather than just a program loader with a file system.
GEM and Windows were not even integrated into the underlying program
loader (PC-DOS or MS-DOS), so they only qualify as graphical user
applications.

If we apply the terminology of the mainframe pioneers to the
microcomputer world, operating systems were usually only found on
minicomputers and larger up to the mid eighties.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     22-Dec-99 19:29:25
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:10:27, [e-mail]
wrote:

> Believe what you wish.  CDS couldn't make their product work under the
> posted test conditions either.
>
> Roland
>

Yeah, and cars have a lot of trouble flying too.

Use the product that works for you, under the conditions that you need
to use it in. If you need something that will fly, you don't want to
buy a car (unless it is that one that James Bond had <g>).

Personally, I have used various versions of BA/2 for some time now
(since version 1.1), and have never had any problems (other than a few
self inflicted problems) with BA/2. I did some beta testing on
BA/2000, and most of that looks pretty good. I am not too impressed
that it cannot read older Disk based backups (it will read older tape
backups, apparently), but that support has been promised for sometime
next year.

I have ordered BA/2000, and I am awaiting the upgrade.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     22-Dec-99 19:29:25
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:39:20, [e-mail]
wrote:

> No matter what ANYBODY tells you, stop at FP8.  Every FP after that was a
> busted pathetic waste of magnetic media.
>
> Roland
>

Don't worry about this post. Roland also thinks that you need three
terminators on a SCSI bus (an absolute NO-NO, technically), and that
just because BackAgain/2 doesn't happen to work in his specific
situation, that nobody should use that fine backup program.

I have had excellent luck with FP9, and now FP12 (with the updated
PMMERGE.DLL file, available from HOBBES in the file PMR00052.ZIP).
Different people have different results (good, and bad), with
different fix packs. You will need to try them, until you find one
that works for you. Personally, I recommend FP12, as a starting point
(with the PMMERGE.DLL update), along with the Device Driver Fix pack
(the device drivers were, mostly, split out into their own FP at
FP11).

You should also check out:

http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html

for other things that you may want to update.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 14:44:01
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: cincyteamos2.org???

From: [e-mail]

Andreas Linde wrote:
>> <snip>
>> they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
>> fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
>> components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.
> well, you can try the software-update pages at os2.org
> -> http://en.os2.org/software/updates/
>   (english pages)
> or another pages with a list of updates:
> -> http://www.warpupdates.de/
>   (german and english pages available)
>
> >Please, someone, help!
>
> I hope that helps a bit.

Thanks to everyone for the links and offers of help.

I found exactly what I needed and have it bookmarked.

Thanks,
Steven

--
Abstainer: a weak person who yields
           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
           ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 14:41:20
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: [e-mail]

Doug Bissett wrote:
>> No matter what ANYBODY tells you, stop at FP8.
>>
> I have had excellent luck with FP9, and now FP12 (with the updated
> PMMERGE.DLL file, available from HOBBES in the file PMR00052.ZIP).
> <snip>
>
> You should also check out:
>
> http://duanec.indelible-blue.com/fixes/LatestWarp4.html
>
> for other things that you may want to update.


Thanks for the information and the links.  I've done a couple
fix paks before so I am not a complete newbie.  Just been out
of the loop for a while.

I'm also able to discern histrionic hyberbole when I see it.

Thanks,
Steven
--
Abstainer: a weak person who yields
           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
           ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: [e-mail]                               22-Dec-99 20:40:11
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff)

I have the trackman marble+ model t cl 13. The first 3 versions of the
IBM scroll driver didn't work, the fourth did.  The wheel works fine,
although the middle button (pressing down on the wheel) doesn't do
anything.

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:20:30, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Does the scrolling function (using the wheel) work? The one I have works
> fine except for the scroll function.
>
> Just to confuse matters: when I wnet looking on the Logitech Web site, I
> found no mention of the "TrackMan Marble Wheel" (the name on the device
> I bought at Staples), only the "TrackMan Marble+". I have seen the
> latter in other stores, and they look identical, but the Model Number on
> mine is different from the Model Number mentioned on the Logitech site.
> I wonder if they did a special "Crippled" version that Staples could
> sell at a lower price? I have a question in to Logietceh to see if I can
> solve the mystery.
>
> Further: when I go to IBM's OS/2 Device Driver page (the www one, rather
> than the ftp site) and look up Logitech devices, I get the impression
> that this one is intended to work only with a USB port, not with the
> PS/2 port.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Mark Klebanoff wrote:
> >
> > I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
> > Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
> > port.


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From: [e-mail]                           22-Dec-99 20:41:19
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:17:14
Subj: Re: RSU crashed my system, How to resume?

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:09:02, [e-mail] (Spencer Lu)
wrote:

> Last night I used the RSU tool to download and install FixPak 10 (I'm
> trying to get my OS/2 Warp 4 system to be Y2K-compliant).  It
> downloaded all of the files, and started to unzip them.  While it
> was unzipping xr_m0104.zip, the system crashed (TRAP 0008).
>
> How do I resume the installation process?
>

You can unzip the files manually and then run
the os2serv (?) program. It should work from
there. Or restart the process the scratch, I think it
will see that it has the files already and will
bypass the download.

That Trap 0008 is a bad problem though. It indicates
that a Trap happened during the processing
of another Trap (double trap fault). This could
be a hardware problem...

--

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                            22-Dec-99 21:20:20
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:59:25
Subj: Re: Java for Netscape Comm. 4.6.1

From: [e-mail] (Maurice Batey)

On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:29:46, [e-mail]
wrote:

>  I would recommend 1.1.6 if you aren't going to take the time to install the
1.1.8 fixes.

  Where can 1.1.6 be d/l from, Karen, please?

Maurice Batey
(Change "no.spam" to "." in E-mail address.)

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From: [e-mail]                                    22-Dec-99 21:27:24
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:59:25
Subj: Re: RSHD

From: [e-mail] (Bob Eager)

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:12:57, [e-mail] (John
Poltorak) wrote:

> Is that the only way to do it?
>
> I was hoping I could manually update a text file.
> There used to be a file called %etc%\rhosts which controlled which system
> could access the local host.

Still is. Format is:

   hostname username

which specifies a particular user on a particular host who is allowed
access. The username is an argument to the rsh comand, or defaults to
%username% on the client machine.

--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325; PS/2s 8595*3, 9595*3 (2*P60 + P90), 8535, 8570, 9556*2,
8580*6,
8557*2, 8550, 9577, 8530, P70, PC/AT..

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From: [e-mail]                             22-Dec-99 14:21:08
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:59:26
Subj: Re: need help quick- netscape/2 4.61 prob

From: "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]>

Grant Bierman wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/22/99
>    at 09:06 AM, "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >I would delete the netscape directory and any subdirectories after doing
> >the uninstall.  Before doing this, copy your \users directory with
> >bookmarks, prefs, etc to some other place for safekeeping.  Then run the
> >install.  Then copy the subdirectories from the old \users directory over
> >to the new \users directory that the installer creates.  All should be
> >well.
>
> I tried that once, get a reboot right in the install and tried to finish
> the install and still had a non-working version. Right now I have a
> archive of my users directory, and no netscape at all. (deltree)

Well, you might look at the install script and see if you can tell where
it is crashing.  But I am starting to think you have a hardware problem
of some kind.  What is the reboot like?  Does the system just
spontaneously reboot or do you get a TRAP of some kind?  The Netscape
install is pretty basic and just writes a bunch of files and creates
some icons.  Does everything else work OK?  Can you install another new
application with no difficulty?  If you rule out a hardware problem, you
might try Henk Kelder's checkini program to see if your OS/2 install is
broken somewhere...It is available in the WPTOOLS package at:

http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/

>
> I'll try another install later today....
>
> ------------------[ Web Master/Author For Hire ]-----------------
> Grant Bierman <[e-mail]>
> -------------------------[ Random Insert ]-----------------------
> Minds, like parachutes, only work when open.
> ------------------------[ ICQ: 22733875 ]------------------------
>                       - Yatara.dyndns.org -
>                    *All Mail Filtered For Spam*

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From: [e-mail]                        22-Dec-99 22:43:22
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 18:59:26
Subj: PalmPilot/2

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

There was an announcement on Warpcast today about PalmPilot/2.

Can anyone tell me about Total Results Inc? I haven't come across
the company before or any survey about Palm integration with WPS.

Do they have a web site - there was no mention of one in the article.

I would personally love to get hold of a syncroniser for  PalmPilot <->
Organizer,
so maybe they could be persuaded to develop one.

--
John

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From: [e-mail]                               22-Dec-99 09:33:25
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:22
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: [e-mail]

Steven C. Britton" <[e-mail]> said:


You are the most brainless asshole I've ever seen.


>> Why not just put everyone over 65 to death?
>The world doesn't owe anyone a living.  That includes people over 65
>years of age.  It is your own responsibility to make sure you can live
>after retirement.

Lets apply personal responsibility to everything; only people who fly pay
the entire cost of airports, ATC, etc.; only people who want to drive on
paved roads pay for them;  companies will no longer have any government
protection, e.g., the off loading of costs on the public. Only the owners
will be personally responsible for everything, good and bad. Or how about
those who want churches get to pay all the costs for it; no tax deductions
for any of it, the land, the buildings, the contributions, everything is
taxed so no one else has to make up the deductions for something that is a
personal responsibility, etc.



>> >> universal school educations ...
>> >Without a doubt!
>> Now this is truly scary.
>Not at all: private education is far better for people than public.  The
>competition between schools keeps it that way.

Too bad you didn't finish school.


<snip the rest of Britton drivel>
Why don't you look that last word up. Its what you do all the time.





_____________
Ed Letourneau <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                            22-Dec-99 09:01:02
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:22
Subj: Re: Who runs this country?

From: "Steven C. Britton" <[e-mail]>

Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
>
> In other third-world countries, union organizers tend to...disappear.

Not in the one I live in... the government here encourages it!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
What have YOU done to bust a union today?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Work better: Work union-free.

Steven C. Britton
Calgary

www.cadvision.com/sbritton



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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 16:06:22
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:22
Subj: Re: MySQL

From: [e-mail] (Chris Wenham)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:48:20, "Andreas Linde" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> well, the last version of the russian port I tested is 1.3.6.
> the problem there where the mentioned crashes on aurora and the
> code page issue (already mentioned in a previews posting ).

 I didn't notice those problems. I commented-out the russian language
support lines in the httpd.conf and I'm using WSeB.

Regards,

Chris Wenham - [e-mail]
The views expressed are mine.

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From: [e-mail]                          22-Dec-99 15:35:20
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: [e-mail] (Alex Taylor)

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:16:10 GMT, radu <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thanks!
>radu

If the box also contains the licenses and proofs of entitlement (a card
with the picture of a diskette on it), then this shouldn't be too big a
problem.  Contact IBM support and request replacement media; they should
(hopefully) be willing to send you new CDs for the cost of shipping or
thereabouts.

Remember, it's not the media you buy, it's the license.

--
Alex Taylor
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                  22-Dec-99 15:38:24
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: RSHD

From: Chris Hellwig <[e-mail]>

Hi,

it's working fine here (Warp 4.0, Fp9):

I used the tcp/ip configuration notebook (security-tab) to insert the
allowed _hosts_

Authentification in rshd is checked by hostname, no username....

Chris


John Poltorak schrieb:
>
> Has anyone got the remote shell daemon, RSHD, working under OS/2?
>
> It starts OK but I'm unable to connect to it from a client, but suspect
> this is due to authentication.
>
> Is authentication done through a combination of rhosts and trusers?
> If so, an example would be useful...
>
> BTW I'm using RSHD from WSeB.
>
> --
> John

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From: [e-mail]                            22-Dec-99 16:20:15
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

Does the scrolling function (using the wheel) work? The one I have works
fine except for the scroll function.

Just to confuse matters: when I wnet looking on the Logitech Web site, I
found no mention of the "TrackMan Marble Wheel" (the name on the device
I bought at Staples), only the "TrackMan Marble+". I have seen the
latter in other stores, and they look identical, but the Model Number on
mine is different from the Model Number mentioned on the Logitech site.
I wonder if they did a special "Crippled" version that Staples could
sell at a lower price? I have a question in to Logietceh to see if I can
solve the mystery.

Further: when I go to IBM's OS/2 Device Driver page (the www one, rather
than the ftp site) and look up Logitech devices, I get the impression
that this one is intended to work only with a USB port, not with the
PS/2 port.

Alan


Mark Klebanoff wrote:
>
> I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
> Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
> port.

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From: [e-mail]                             22-Dec-99 09:06:00
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: need help quick- netscape/2 4.61 prob

From: "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]>

Grant Bierman wrote:
>
> I was having problems with NS and though I'd just refresh the install,
> uninstall ok
> trap/reboot during install
> 2nd install: can't load resdll.dll
> remove netscape
> 3rd install, reboot
> 4th install, can't load os2pref.js
>
> that is where I am, sick and tired of trying to do a re-install of a
> program the install prefect the first time I did it serveral months ago.

I would delete the netscape directory and any subdirectories after doing
the uninstall.  Before doing this, copy your \users directory with
bookmarks, prefs, etc to some other place for safekeeping.  Then run the
install.  Then copy the subdirectories from the old \users directory
over to the new \users directory that the installer creates.  All should
be well.

>
> WarpUp US CD:
> Fp 9
> Netscape (128bit)
>
> need any other info, ask...
>
> ....off to rest....
>
> ------------------[ Web Master/Author For Hire ]-----------------
> Grant Bierman <[e-mail]>
> -------------------------[ Random Insert ]-----------------------
> I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
> democracy -- but that could change.  -- V.P.  D.Q.
> ------------------------[ ICQ: 22733875 ]------------------------
>                       - Yatara.dyndns.org -
>                    *All Mail Filtered For Spam*

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From: [e-mail]                          22-Dec-99 17:09:01
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: RSU crashed my system, How to resume?

From: [e-mail] (Spencer Lu)

Last night I used the RSU tool to download and install FixPak 10 (I'm
trying to get my OS/2 Warp 4 system to be Y2K-compliant).  It
downloaded all of the files, and started to unzip them.  While it
was unzipping xr_m0104.zip, the system crashed (TRAP 0008).

How do I resume the installation process?

Thanks.


--
Visit my Utah Saints web site: http://members.xoom.com/slu/Utah_Saints/

Spencer Lu

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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 17:20:03
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: radu <[e-mail]>

Thanks!
Radu
----------
Radu Trimbitas
Microsoft Certified Mouse User


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From: [e-mail]                        22-Dec-99 17:12:28
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: RSHD

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <[e-mail]>, Chris Hellwig <[e-mail]> writes:
>Hi,
>
>it's working fine here (Warp 4.0, Fp9):
>
>I used the tcp/ip configuration notebook (security-tab) to insert the
>allowed _hosts_

Is that the only way to do it?

I was hoping I could manually update a text file.
There used to be a file called %etc%\rhosts which controlled which system
could access the local host.

>Authentification in rshd is checked by hostname, no username....
>
>Chris
>
>
>John Poltorak schrieb:
>>
>> Has anyone got the remote shell daemon, RSHD, working under OS/2?
>>
>> It starts OK but I'm unable to connect to it from a client, but suspect
>> this is due to authentication.
>>
>> Is authentication done through a combination of rhosts and trusers?
>> If so, an example would be useful...
>>
>> BTW I'm using RSHD from WSeB.
>>
>> --
>> John

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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 17:27:13
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: How many CD's are in an OS/2 v4 new Box?

From: radu <[e-mail]>

Alex Taylor wrote:

> If the box also contains the licenses and proofs of entitlement (a card
> with the picture of a diskette on it), then this shouldn't be too big a
> problem.

Actually there is a book ("Up And Running", I think) that has at the end few
printed pages with the diskette and some text saying "This is your proof of
entitlement bla bla" in lots of languages (I guess that the chinese
ideograms contain the same idea, don't know sure :-)


> Contact IBM support and request replacement media; they should
> (hopefully) be willing to send you new CDs for the cost of shipping or
> thereabouts.

Well, that's the problem. In Romania (where I am from) The Big IBM decided
that they don't sell OS/2 (and I don't want to buy AS400 just for being an
IBM customer), so OS/2 can't be purchased from IBM. I think that I can't ask
for replacement media here, either.
But I don't have the other CDs, too (App Sampler, Lotus Client). And since
the guy that sold it to me says that it was the original package from IBM
(It was sealed when I received it), don't know what to do...

Thanks!
Radu
----------
Radu Trimbitas
Microsoft Certified Mouse User


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From: [e-mail]                                22-Dec-99 13:23:24
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: Very strange problem with PLIP connection

From: Jim Parker <[e-mail]>

Sebastiano Vigna wrote:

> I have spent a week-end trying to get plip to work between two
out-of-the-box
> RedHat 6.1 Linuxes, with no results. The surprising thing that happens is
that
> the link works: when I ping one machine (urfida) from the other (dina) the
> packets _are_ sent, as tcpdump (on urfida) shows:
>
> 23:20:02.038498 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:03.038278 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:04.038117 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:05.038030 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:06.037867 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:07.037755 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
> 23:20:08.037610 plip0 P dina > urfida: icmp: echo request
>
> But--surprise!--the back packet is never sent. It is like inetd is not
> seeing the packets, even if they get to the machine.
>
> I have sincerely no idea of what's happening. Of course all the parallel
> problems are ruled out, as packets travel happily in both direction without
> errors. But the networking system does not see them.
>
> I enclose at the end of the message the ifconfig/route output for both
> machines, and the complete description of a ping packet as made by ethereal.
> Note that I have even tried to run plip in PROMISC mode and/or activate a
> default route through the link for all packets, with no results.
>
> The only "suspicious" thing is that to/from Ethernet addresses of the
packets
> are the same, but if this is the problem I think it is a bug in plip.c
> (which dates 1997...).
>
> Thank you for any help,
>
>                                         seba
>
> ----------- urfida -----------------
> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>
> plip0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:01:01
>           inet addr:192.168.1.1  P-t-P:192.168.1.2  Mask:255.255.255.255
>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:57 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
>           Interrupt:5 Base address:0x278
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use
Iface
> 192.168.1.2     *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0
plip0
> 127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
>
> ---------- dina -------------------
> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>
> plip0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:01:02
>           inet addr:192.168.1.2  P-t-P:192.168.1.1  Mask:255.255.255.255
>           UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:10
>           Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378
>
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use
Iface
> 192.168.1.1     *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0
plip0
> 127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
> --------------------------------------
> Frame 1:
> Frame (98 on wire, 98 captured)
>     Arrival Time: Dec 19, 1999 23:20:36.0339
>     Packet Length: 98 bytes
>     Capture Length: 98 bytes
> Ethernet II
>     Destination: fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02 (fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02)
>     Source: fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02 (fc:fc:c0:a8:01:02)
>     Type: IP (0x0800)
> Internet Protocol
>     Version: 4
>     Header length: 20 bytes
>     Type of service: 0x00 (None)
>         000. .... = routine precedence
>         ...0 .... = normal delay
>         .... 0... = normal throughput
>         .... .0.. = normal reliability
>         .... ..0. = normal cost
>     Total Length: 84
>     Identification: 0x0061
>     Flags: 0x0
>         .0.. .... = may fragment
>         ..0. .... = last fragment
>     Fragment offset: 0
>     Time to live: 64
>     Protocol: ICMP
>     Header checksum: 0xf6f4
>     Source: dina (192.168.1.2)
>     Destination: urfida (192.168.1.1)
> Internet Control Message Protocol
>     Type: 8 (Echo (ping) request)
>     Code: 0
>     Checksum: 0x6a05
>     Identifier: 0xb801
>     Sequence number: 24832
>     Data (56 bytes)
>
>    0  7e59 5d38 0bff 0700 0809 0a0b 0c0d 0e0f   ~Y]8............
>   10  1011 1213 1415 1617 1819 1a1b 1c1d 1e1f   ................
>   20  2021 2223 2425 2627 2829 2a2b 2c2d 2e2f    !"#$%&'()*+,-./
>   30  3031 3233 3435 3637                       01234567

Whu don't you post this on one of the comp.os.linux newsgroups?

Jim


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From: [e-mail]                            22-Dec-99 18:14:14
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: Rumour : 64-bit OS/2 ????

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

You are right. Look at the following.

Alan

http://www.theregister.co.uk/

  The Register's IT Company of the Millennium Award
  Clean sweep for computing giant
A panel of seven sages has decided that the prestigious Register IT
Company of the Millennium Award go to International Business Machines
(IBM).

  The judges, meeting in closed session in the Freemason's Arms, close
to Vulture
  Central, unanimously agreed that IBM deserved the award because of the
services
  it had delivered to others.

  "IBM had a better Windows than Windows with its OS/2 operating
system," said
  one judge. "It selflessly allowed a small company from Seattle to grow
larger
  through allowing OS/2 to enter the city of Desuetude.

  Another judge was glowing about IBM's services to the PC industry.
"Although it
  wasn't the first company on the market by any means to have a personal
computer,
  it could have had the whole market to itself, especially when
corporate America
  adopted Lotus 1-2-3 as the spreadsheet of choice."

  However, she added, IBM kindly stepped out of the way and allowed
first Compaq,
  and then Dell to dominate the x86 PC market, and then bought Lotus
1-2-3 when it
  was a minority piece of software eclipsed by Microsoft Excel.

  The semiconductor judge cited the performance of IBM Microelectronics
as
  "peerless". He said that although it had own advanced fabrication
plants, every bit
  as good as Intel's, it decided to make x.86 processors using a Cyrix
design and not
  use them in its own machines, losing a heaven-sent opportunity to
compete with
  Chipzilla.

  Special mention was given to IBM's faultless inability to execute its
sales strategy
  properly. One judge observed that for a long period of time, IBM had
allowed
  several different internal sales forces to all compete with one
another for the same
  corporate users. In particular, the decision to sell all of its
systems through the
  distributor channel, then its decision to sell all of its systems
direct, then to sell all of
  its systems through the distributor channel and then to sell all of
its systems direct
  showed an inconsistency that took some beating.

  The judges recommended that the current CEO of IBM, Lou Gerstner, be
  nominated for the IT CEO of the Millennium prize, which is currently
being judged.
  They felt that Mr Gerstner's contribution of electronic boots, which
first gave rise to
  The Register's Bootnotes column, was a service to all humanity, and
would persist
  well into the new Millennium.

  The prize, a can of London Pride (kindly donated by Compaq), will be
awarded at a
  conference of the Glitterati on the eve of the next century.


"J. R. Fox" wrote:

> Has to be.  It would be great if they had some great stealth project
underway,
> waiting to spring it until after the DOJ case decision, but don't hold your
> breath.  Even if Big Blue had something up its sleeve that would smoke
Windows
> 2000 (to such an obvious degree that neither the press nor the public could
> possibly ignore it), do you see any evidence that they would have a clue re
how
> to market it successfully ?

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Dec-99 13:25:04
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: cincyteamos2.org???

From: [e-mail]

Anyone know what happened to www.cincyteamos2.org?

And more importantly, where I can find an online utility
like its update calculator thing.  If anyone remembers
they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.

Please, someone, help!

Steven
--
Abstainer: a weak person who yields
           to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure.
           ... Ambrose Bierce

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From: [e-mail]                               22-Dec-99 12:48:09
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: need help quick- netscape/2 4.61 prob

From: Grant Bierman <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/22/99
   at 09:06 AM, "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]> said:

>I would delete the netscape directory and any subdirectories after doing
>the uninstall.  Before doing this, copy your \users directory with
>bookmarks, prefs, etc to some other place for safekeeping.  Then run the
>install.  Then copy the subdirectories from the old \users directory over
>to the new \users directory that the installer creates.  All should be
>well.

I tried that once, get a reboot right in the install and tried to finish
the install and still had a non-working version. Right now I have a
archive of my users directory, and no netscape at all. (deltree)

I'll try another install later today....

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From: [e-mail]                          22-Dec-99 18:53:26
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: operating systems

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:49:19, [e-mail] (Andrew
Stephenson) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>
>        [e-mail] "Buddy Donnelly" writes:
>
> > [...]  Granted, his question contains a great deal more scope
> > than a useful search engine question should, at least until the
> > HAL9000 comes on line in, what year is it due, 2001?
>
> Actually, the primary mission-configured HAL 9000 unit became
> operational a while ago and is currently undergoing pre-flight
> testing at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois.  Although it
> would by now probably be well able to answer the question which
> started this thread, persuading the managers of the (top secret)
> project to let you use it for homework would be the real trick.
> Who knows what conflicts that might leave in its subconcious for
> resolution at a later, more awkward, time.

Ah, yes, you're right. I still have pains of embarassment thinking
about a third grade teacher who forced me to stand up next to my desk,
pretty much every day, and explain why I hadn't chosen to do her
foolish homework. My first exercise in "tell 'em what they want to
hear, not what's true" skills that got me going in the world of
Advertising many years later.

--

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: christian.hennecke@ruhr-uni-boch...               22-Dec-99 20:04:20
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: cincyteamos2.org???

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Christian Hennecke <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] schrieb:
>
> Anyone know what happened to www.cincyteamos2.org?
>
> And more importantly, where I can find an online utility
> like its update calculator thing.  If anyone remembers
> they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
> fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
> components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.

AFAIK the site is closed, since the one who was the driving force behind
left. For information about updating your system have a look at
http://www.warpupdates.de.

Christian Hennecke
--
Keep passing the open windows! ("The Hotel New Hampshire", John Irving)

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From: [e-mail]                             22-Dec-99 20:04:24
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 22:52:23
Subj: Re: cincyteamos2.org???

From: "Andreas Linde" <[e-mail]>

Hi

>Anyone know what happened to www.cincyteamos2.org?

well, I don't know that too.

>And more importantly, where I can find an online utility
>like its update calculator thing.  If anyone remembers
>they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
>fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
>components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.

well, you can try the software-update pages at os2.org
-> http://en.os2.org/software/updates/
  (english pages)
or another pages with a list of updates:
-> http://www.warpupdates.de/
  (german and english pages available)

>Please, someone, help!

I hope that helps a bit.

If you need something more, like that calculator (I must admit
that I never saw such a thing), feel free to suggest and send an
email to [e-mail] and I try to implement it.

ciao

 andy


+-------------------+
  Andreas Linde
  Online Producer
  OS2.org
  email: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail]                               23-Dec-99 01:32:16
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 23:22:13
Subj: Re: Y2K if using Win9x

From: [e-mail]

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:28:01, [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)
wrote:

> Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail] spake unto us, saying:
>
> >I hope all OS2 users who also are using Win9x are aware
> >that there are Y2K updates both for Win95 and for Win98.
>
> Where?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp

There are two basic Y2K fixes, apply in sequence. I do
not use Windows to access the Internet, so that is all
I applied. Just execute and reboot after each *.exe file.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/
WURecommended/S_WUFeatured/win95y2k/Default.asp

There is one update file for Win95. There also is a *.txt
file which explains how to install and update the startup
diskette.

The site below appear to have good overall info re Window
Y2K:
http://suttondesigns.com/NetsaversCenter/Y2k/y2kwin98.html
Rosemarie

>
> --
>    -Rich Steiner  >>>--->  [e-mail]  >>>---> Bloomington, MN
>      OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
>       + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
>                        !enilgat cinataS  !eraweB


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From: [e-mail]                               22-Dec-99 19:14:07
  To: All                                               22-Dec-99 23:22:13
Subj: Re: Y2K if using Win9x

From: Tim Martin <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:28:01, [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)
> wrote:
>
> > Here in comp.os.os2.misc, [e-mail] spake unto us, saying:
> >
> > >I hope all OS2 users who also are using Win9x are aware
> > >that there are Y2K updates both for Win95 and for Win98.
> >
> > Where?

Would you PLEASE put an end to this never-ending
Microsoft advertising in the OS/2 newsgroups?  What
IS WRONG with you Microsoft fanatics?  This is an
OS/2 Newsgroup not a newsgroup for Microsoft lusers
looking for Y2K upgrades to their Microsoft operating
systems.

Send them to the Microsoft newsgroups!  DAMMIT!

Tim Martin
The OS/2 Guy
Warp City (http://warpcity.com)
"Y2K NEW MEMBER Discounts Now Available!"

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From: [e-mail]                            22-Dec-99 21:52:25
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 03:21:22
Subj: Evaluation Version of OS2?

From: "Leroux" <[e-mail]>

Hi,
    I understood someone had a copy of OS2 on the web.  I actually do need a
copy to try.  It's a be different thing.
Thanks,
Leroux


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From: [e-mail]                          23-Dec-99 12:45:15
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 03:21:22
Subj: Wanna laugh

From: "Wayne Bickell" <[e-mail]>

Anyone want a good laugh before
Christmas?

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q247/8/04.ASP?LNG=ENG&SA=ALLK
B

It's not aimed at us OS/2 users but.....

Cheers

Wayne

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Tokyo, Japan
[e-mail]
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  Running on OS/2 Warp 4 (UK)  + FixPak 9
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From: [e-mail]                          23-Dec-99 06:08:16
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 03:21:22
Subj: Re: PalmPilot/2

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/22/99 at 22:43,
   [e-mail] (John Poltorak) said:



>I would personally love to get hold of a syncroniser for  PalmPilot <->
>Organizer, so maybe they could be persuaded to develop one.

The StarOffice suite which can be downloaded for free from Sun has a
PalmPilot synch function although I have to say I had little luck in
getting it to work.

Hans Boer

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                22-Dec-99 23:37:29
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 03:21:22
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: [e-mail]

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-tRJ8wuO0RSg0@localhost>, on 12/22/99
   at 07:29 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:10:27, [e-mail]  wrote:

>> Believe what you wish.  CDS couldn't make their product work under the
>> posted test conditions either.
>>
>> Roland
>>

>Yeah, and cars have a lot of trouble flying too.

>Use the product that works for you, under the conditions that you need to
>use it in. If you need something that will fly, you don't want to  buy a
>car (unless it is that one that James Bond had <g>).

>Personally, I have used various versions of BA/2 for some time now
>(since version 1.1), and have never had any problems (other than a few
>self inflicted problems) with BA/2. I did some beta testing on  BA/2000,
>and most of that looks pretty good. I am not too impressed  that it
>cannot read older Disk based backups (it will read older tape  backups,
>apparently), but that support has been promised for sometime  next year.

I tested it under the conditions I needed it to work under.  It failed
miserably.  Thankfully they are off now selling into the Windows market.
That market is used to really buggy software.  Until FP9 and later OS/2
users were pretty immuned to a buggy OS.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                22-Dec-99 23:40:03
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 03:21:22
Subj: Re: Which FixPak to install?

From: [e-mail]

In <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-5eJHXf0fupB9@localhost>, on 12/22/99
   at 07:29 PM, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett) said:

>On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:39:20, [e-mail]  wrote:

>> No matter what ANYBODY tells you, stop at FP8.  Every FP after that was a
>> busted pathetic waste of magnetic media.
>>
>> Roland
>>

>Don't worry about this post. Roland also thinks that you need three
>terminators on a SCSI bus (an absolute NO-NO, technically), and that
>just because BackAgain/2 doesn't happen to work in his specific
>situation, that nobody should use that fine backup program.

The three SCSI terminator solution was presented here for a particular
group of SCSI hardware mixing both internal and external buses.  The fact
it was employed here by those having trouble and solved their problem
speaks for itself.  Just because a solution defies the specification
doesn't mean the manufacturer of said hardware bothered to read the
specifications.

As to BA/2, it didn't work on 100% of the machines I tested it on.  When
the statistical pool for a sample is 100% of the pool and the pool will
not grow substantially over the next 3 years it is safe to declare the
test a failure for the environment.  The fact the test was replicated by
others (including the manufacturer) with the same results speaks for
itself.

>I have had excellent luck with FP9, and now FP12 (with the updated
>PMMERGE.DLL file, available from HOBBES in the file PMR00052.ZIP).
>Different people have different results (good, and bad), with  different
>fix packs. You will need to try them, until you find one  that works for
>you. Personally, I recommend FP12, as a starting point  (with the
>PMMERGE.DLL update), along with the Device Driver Fix pack  (the device
>drivers were, mostly, split out into their own FP at  FP11).

FP12 is a bad starting point given the changes to SERVICE.  Makes it a
bitch and a half to try and go back to a working FP like FP8.

Start low and work forward.

Actually start with FP8 unless you are planning to install Lotus
SmartSuite.  That product comes with a version of FP5 it will require
unless you apply a higher level FP before installing.  I wouldn't risk
installing SmartSuite on a higher FP level because I don't know what it
does and doesn't replace.  IBM products in general have a nasty habbit of
replacing kernel modules with backlevel versions.  If you ever read the
readme files for their COBOL and C++ offerings you will understand.
Watcom even had this problem with one release.

Roland

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From: [e-mail]                                       23-Dec-99 07:17:23
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 05:15:02
Subj: Re: PalmPilot/2

From: [e-mail]

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:43:45, [e-mail] (John
Poltorak) wrote:

> Can anyone tell me about Total Results Inc? I haven't come across
> the company before or any survey about Palm integration with WPS.
>
> Do they have a web site - there was no mention of one in the article.

try members.easyspace.com/tr

fonz

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From: [e-mail]                             23-Dec-99 18:30:12
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 05:15:02
Subj: Re: Problems with Netscape 4.61 install

From: [e-mail]

Try changing your fonts in preferences /Appearance.

Worked for me

Mark Berkwitt wrote:

> I've just downloaded and installed and uninstalled and installed again
> the os2 version of Netscape Communicator 4.61 and get a repeated
> problem.  I can download messages but the body of the message is not
> visible.  I double click on a message in the list frame but what opens
> is a window with a header but without a message part.
>
>

--
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-
- Regards
                RonN


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From: [e-mail]                                  23-Dec-99 10:24:17
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:27
Subj: One more laugh!

From: [e-mail]

This is for OS/2 users only ;-)

A collegue of mine (I won't tell you his name...you will not know him!)
worked for IBM some time ago and there he came across the one or other
installed OS/2 (wait--This isn't the joke yet!). He started the computer
and then did a Ctrl-Alt-Del - and what the hell: The system booted once
again!

He formatted the HD and installed Windows...

Greetings,
Cornelis Bockemⁿhl <[e-mail]>

PS: I laughed when I heard this anecdote, but one could scream equally
well...


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [e-mail]                              23-Dec-99 12:10:23
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:28
Subj: Re: cincyteamos2.org???

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Falkenstein <[e-mail]>

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Hi,

I can remember these "calculator" buttons. They were checking the local
PC if a particular patch or update was required or needed or already
installed.
Does anybody know any contacts at the former "cincyteamos2"?
It would be nice to have the html-code or whatever is needed to make
these checkings available online. I think that either the webmaster of
http://en.os2.org/software/updates/ or the one from
http://www.warpupdates.de should be glad to expand the web pages for
that purpose.

If you agree, feel free to contact me.

Jörg

Andreas Linde wrote:

> Hi
>
> >Anyone know what happened to www.cincyteamos2.org?
>
> well, I don't know that too.
>
> >And more importantly, where I can find an online utility
> >like its update calculator thing.  If anyone remembers
> >they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
> >fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
> >components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.
>
> well, you can try the software-update pages at os2.org
> -> http://en.os2.org/software/updates/
>   (english pages)
> or another pages with a list of updates:
> -> http://www.warpupdates.de/
>   (german and english pages available)
>
> >Please, someone, help!
>
> I hope that helps a bit.
>
> If you need something more, like that calculator (I must admit
> that I never saw such a thing), feel free to suggest and send an
> email to [e-mail] and I try to implement it.
>
> ciao
>
>  andy
>
> +-------------------+
>   Andreas Linde
>   Online Producer
>   OS2.org
>   email: [e-mail]
> +-------------------+

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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Hi,
<p>I can remember these "calculator" buttons. They were checking the local
PC if a particular patch or update was required or needed or already
installed.
<br>Does anybody know any contacts at the former "cincyteamos2"?
<br>It would be nice to have the html-code or whatever is needed to make
these checkings available online. I think that either the webmaster of
<a
href="http://en.os2.org/software/updates/">http://en.os2.org/software/updates/<
/a>
or the one from <a
href="http://www.warpupdates.de/">http://www.warpupdates.de</a>
should be glad to expand the web pages for that purpose.
<p>If you agree, feel free to contact me.
<p>Jörg
<p>Andreas Linde wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi
<p>>Anyone know what happened to www.cincyteamos2.org?
<p>well, I don't know that too.
<p>>And more importantly, where I can find an online utility
<br>>like its update calculator thing.  If anyone remembers
<br>>they had a web page that you could go to to find out which
<br>>fix paks you needed to apply to bring your systems various
<br>>components (base OS, tcp/ip stack, mpts) up to date.
<p>well, you can try the software-update pages at os2.org
<br>-> <a
href="http://en.os2.org/software/updates/">http://en.os2.org/software/updates/<
/a>
<br>  (english pages)
<br>or another pages with a list of updates:
<br>-> <a href="http://www.warpupdates.de/">http://www.warpupdates.de/</a>
<br>  (german and english pages available)
<p>>Please, someone, help!
<p>I hope that helps a bit.
<p>If you need something more, like that calculator (I must admit
<br>that I never saw such a thing), feel free to suggest and send an
<br>email to [e-mail] and I try to implement it.
<p>ciao
<p> andy
<p>+-------------------+
<br>  Andreas Linde
<br>  Online Producer
<br>  OS2.org
<br>  email: [e-mail]
<br>+-------------------+</blockquote>
</html>

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From: [e-mail]                              23-Dec-99 07:09:06
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:28
Subj: Re: Scroll Mouse /TrackMan Wheel problem

From: Michael W. Cocke <[e-mail]>

Using BA/2 version professional 4.01 on all servers that I'm responsible
for (6) - disaster recovery, as well as non-disaster use - has been
tested repeatedly and works perfectly.  Roland is full of it again.


On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:40:14 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, on 12/21/99
>   at 12:28 AM, [e-mail] (Mark Klebanoff) said:
>
>>I don't know what trackman you bought, but I have a Trackman and a
>>Trackman+.  Both work fine under OS/2, hooked into the regular PS/2
>>port.
>
>>But then again I expected as much from the only guy in the world who
>>thinks BackAgain/2 sucks.
>
>
>The Trackman I had was a bus model.  It was shipped prior to the PS/2
>connector style being invented.
>
>As to your BA/2 comment there are lots of people who not just think that
>product sucks, but can prove it repeatedly.  There are also quite a few
>people who have lost their jobs for buying that product.  You will notice
>that in an effort to avoid further criminal charges the manufacturer
>doesn't post spam out in the newsgroups anymore...assuming you bother to
>look.  When I find something that bad I play hard.  When consumer
>protection agencies receive repeatable physical proof of products not
>living up to advertisements they play harder...but the post office plays
>hardest of all.
>
>Roland
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:33:24, [e-mail]  wrote:
>
>>> In <[e-mail]>, on 12/19/99
>>>    at 02:57 AM, Alan Beagley <[e-mail]> said:
>>>
>>> >Correction: The docs mention the Logitech MouseMan+, not the TrackMan.
>>> >Are they so different? There were not separate drivers for Logitech
>>> >trackballs and mice, were there?
>>>
>>> >Alan
>>>
>>> The TrackMan, which I have gathering dust in a closet somewhere, required
>>> its own adapter card.  The connector was custom.  While the TrackMan
>>> worked ok for somethings it truly sucked when you had to
>>> Click&Dragwhileclicking.  You either hurt your thumb or used two hands.
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>>
>>> >Alan Beagley wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I detest *mice*, but trackballs do seem to be useful. The docs for the
>>> >> ScrollMouse driver explicitly mention the Logitech device.
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From: [e-mail]                             23-Dec-99 22:37:19
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:28
Subj: Re: FP12 - Trap 00d

From: [e-mail] (Don Hills)

In article <385eae84$1$lllp186.vyyrtnygbfcnz$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

>The only plus side of FP12 as I see it is that IBM has finally achieved a
>life long goal of shipping a product even sh*ttier than the AS/400.

That's more praise than FP12 deserves- I wish OS/2 were as stable,
feature rich and popular (in terms of market share) as the AS/400 is.
If IBM were to split off the AS/400 division as a separate company, it'd
be the second largest computer company in the world (behind the rest of
IBM). And it didn't get that big by being well marketed. It got that way
by word of mouth from users.

--
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From: c.k.christacopoulos_removeme@dun...               23-Dec-99 14:25:07
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:28
Subj: Re: PalmPilot/2

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Charles Christacopoulos <[e-mail]>

John Poltorak wrote:

> There was an announcement on Warpcast today about PalmPilot/2.
>

Yo John,
Have you got one of the gadgets.  I was thinking to treat myself to a late
Xmas
present.  Which pal pilot would you suggest (model) or which one looks more
likely to
communicate with OS/2?

Is there much point in buying the IBM rebranded pilot?

Thanks
Charles

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From: [e-mail]                             23-Dec-99 15:03:25
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 14:39:28
Subj: Re: Y2K if using Win9x

From: [e-mail] (Ron S. Gibson)

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:12:25, "Chris Stumpf" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Uh, you are wrong.  Win98SE is not 100% Y2K.  The French gov't uncovered
that
> tidbit.  MS doesn't know how or doesn't want to make a y2k OS.  Yeah, they
> fixed some of the stuff, but not all of it and most of their fixes are
> potentially worse than the problem.

I don't know about a lot of this stuff.  I run W98SE, DOS/W31, OS/2
W3-FP40, and Linux Slackware 4.0.

The other day I reset my CMOS to 12-21-2000 to see what would happen.  I
tried a little of all the OS's.  None had a problem.  Hell, even DOS 6.2
correctly reported the date as 12-21-2000!

Word from Office 4.3 (1994 vintage) correctly inserted the right date.
I didn't check Excel 5.0 extensive date manipulation capabilities.

New readers functioned properly.  Browsers worked fine.

So, I'd like to know just where these meltdowns are supposed to occur?

                      My email address is... [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                            23-Dec-99 16:59:21
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 15:23:03
Subj: Logging phone activity.

From: Steve Drewell <[e-mail]>

Using a modem, is there any way to determine, automatically via a program
or rexx script running under OS/2, whether the phone line is "off hook"? I
know that the indicator lights on the modem show the status but I'd like
to automatically log when any phone on the same line as the modem is used.
All I want is a rough log containing time of day and duration of call.

Is there a way to do this?

Cheers,
Steve

Western Geophysical, Bedford, UK
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

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From: c.k.christacopoulos_removeme@dun...               23-Dec-99 17:57:14
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 15:23:03
Subj: Re: PalmPilot/2

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Charles Christacopoulos <[e-mail]>


John Poltorak wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, Charles Christacopoulos
<[e-mail]> writes:
> >John Poltorak wrote:
> >
> >> There was an announcement on Warpcast today about PalmPilot/2.
> >>
> >
> >Yo John,
> >Have you got one of the gadgets.  I was thinking to treat myself to a late
Xmas
> >present.  Which pal pilot would you suggest (model) or which one looks more
likely to
> >communicate with OS/2?
>
> I got a Palm V from www.dabs.co.uk (I think..) for a 209GBP + VAT.
>
> There is a cmd line program called pilot link (or similar - on Hobbes) which
> works fine for transfering data with your OS/2 PC. It's probably excellent
> once you know how it works, but like all cmd line programs with many
> options, it takes some getting used to. There's also a Java Pilot Desktop
> program which looks promising.
>
> >Is there much point in buying the IBM rebranded pilot?
>
> Well it's probably more expensive and out of date, but it's a nice black
colour
> and says IBM on it.

Ta John.

I located both the Dabs 3com and from IBM direct their version (same price,
but like you said Black and IBM on it).
:-)

What minimum accessories are necessary?  do we need cradles, serial cable for
connecting to a pc, or the basic kit
is suffient.

I am not talking about modems, cases etc.

:-)


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From: [e-mail]                        23-Dec-99 18:24:25
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 15:23:03
Subj: Re: PalmPilot/2

From: [e-mail] (John Poltorak)

In <[e-mail]>, Charles Christacopoulos
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>
>John Poltorak wrote:
>
>> In <[e-mail]>, Charles Christacopoulos
<[e-mail]> writes:
>> >John Poltorak wrote:
>> >
>> >> There was an announcement on Warpcast today about PalmPilot/2.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yo John,
>> >Have you got one of the gadgets.  I was thinking to treat myself to a late
Xmas
>> >present.  Which pal pilot would you suggest (model) or which one looks
more likely to
>> >communicate with OS/2?
>>
>> I got a Palm V from www.dabs.co.uk (I think..) for a 209GBP + VAT.
>>
>> There is a cmd line program called pilot link (or similar - on Hobbes)
which
>> works fine for transfering data with your OS/2 PC. It's probably excellent
>> once you know how it works, but like all cmd line programs with many
>> options, it takes some getting used to. There's also a Java Pilot Desktop
>> program which looks promising.
>>
>> >Is there much point in buying the IBM rebranded pilot?
>>
>> Well it's probably more expensive and out of date, but it's a nice black
colour
>> and says IBM on it.
>
>Ta John.
>
>I located both the Dabs 3com and from IBM direct their version (same price,
but like you said Black and IBM on it).
>:-)
>
>What minimum accessories are necessary?  do we need cradles, serial cable for
connecting to a pc, or the basic kit
>is suffient.

The Palm V comes with a cradle, serial connector and an absolutely useless
CD which I resent having to pay for as it includes software which won't work
on my system.

>I am not talking about modems, cases etc.
>
>:-)
>
>
>remove "_removeme" to reply.
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>Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
>Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
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>
>
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John

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From: [e-mail]                                    23-Dec-99 13:56:24
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 15:23:03
Subj: setting up a network printer on OS/2 side to print to NT Printer.

From: "Kerry Lord" <[e-mail]>

setting up a network printer on OS/2 side to print to NT Printer.

Does anyone know how I can set up my OS/2 box to print out to a printer with
an IP on an NT network?

Please use exact steps, because I'm a newbie to OS/2..

Thanks!



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From: [e-mail]                               23-Dec-99 12:56:22
  To: All                                               23-Dec-99 15:23:03
Subj: Re: netscape wont install - part 2

From: Grant Bierman <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 12/22/99
   at 02:21 PM, "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]> said:

>What is the reboot like?  Does the system just
>spontaneously reboot or do you get a TRAP of some kind?

Okay just got though with another attemp and got this (didn't write
everything, on black screen)

location ##0c00:2edf - 0002:2edf.
60000,2008

06860600

Internal Revision
9.033 , 98/09/14

I think I got that all correct.

Any clues there that help?

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