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From: [e-mail]                                  30-Oct-99 01:27:12
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 04:09:29
Subj: Sounds and Scrollbars and Lockups, oh my!

From: [e-mail] (David T. Anderson)

I have been experiencing lockups [hard C-A-D style lockups] when
playing system sounds and simultaneously moving scrollbar sliders
around.  I originally thought this was purely a bug with PM123 playing
mp3 files, but today it hit me when I had an ICQ system event, so I am
now suspecting something more basic in the MM setup.

Any ideas what might be doing this?  I changed over to the 'new'
timer01.sys and timer02.sys a while back...I'll change back and see if
that makes a difference, but any other suggestions would be welcome...




David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/

Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp

**NOSPAM**  To email me, remove the 's' from my address...

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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 01:12:07
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 04:09:29
Subj: New Search Engine  7167

From: [e-mail]

Brand new search engine.
http://www.linkgrinder.com

Brand new search engine.
http://www.linkgrinder.com
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From: [e-mail]                                 30-Oct-99 02:08:21
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 04:09:29
Subj: Re: Warp on Toshiba Portege 3110-APM

From: [e-mail]

That was it!!!!  I tried everything else.  I really appreciate your help.


In <[e-mail]>, Henk kelder <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Not sure, but on my Toshiba 490XCDT I seem to have the same problem.
>
>It has to do with the power conservation state of the BIOS.
>
>If (using TSETUP) it is set to LOW power I have the same.
>
>Normally I run at USER settings where CPU Sleep mode has been disabled
>and CPU runs at full power. (Disabling CPU sleep mode is also advised
>when running Win9x, because SCANDISK (after faulty shutdown) takes AGES
>if CPU sleep mode is enabled.
>
>I don't know which of these settings actually is the cause.
>
>Try experimenting with FN-F2 (At least on the 490 this is for cycling
>thru power conservations modes - Each press goes to the next mode - full
>power, low power, user setting).
>
>If you do not have TSETUP, try keeping a keyboard key pressed while
>switching the machine on. During boot an error message will appear from
>which you can enter the bios setup routines.
>
>Henk
>
>
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> I'm having a problem installing Warp 4 on a Toshiba Portege.  I think that
it
>> has to do with the APM.
>> 1 - If I am connected to A/C, I have no problems.  If I'm running on
battery
>> power, I can not load any dos or winos/2 apps.  The cpu meter pegs at 100%
>> and it just hangs.  OS/2 apps run fine.
>> 2 - Intermittently, reboots or power-on results in the system hanging prior
>> to the boot manager loading.
>> I upgraded to APM ver 1.2 and the latest BIOS.  No help.  Any ideas?
>
>--
>Remove nospam when replying..

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From: [e-mail]                                  26-Oct-99 20:27:13
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 10:28:11
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: Tony Wright <[e-mail]>

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:40:22, "michael" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I want to create a bootable floppy diskette to upgrade my BIOS.  The
> > instructions state that I must have a DOS system to do this and with a
> > formatted floppy, type "sys a:".  I tried this using the OS/2 Warp 4  DOS
> > Command Prompt and it did not work.  It didn't recognize "sys" as a
> > command.   Can I create a bootable floppy diskette with OS/2 warp 4?
> >
>
> No you can't. You need a PC-DOS or MS-DOS installation
> to do that.

I just hate those  words N-O and  C-A-N-T,  they're so blatantly misused
all too often!<vbg>......
....and from such a venerated responder that otherwise frequently most
ably and humbly assists all and sundry with his concise and accurate
expertise, such an atypical (and ambiguous) statement "rankles" even
more<g>....

I personally prefer a much vaguer statement like:
Errr not exactly - as insufficient info has been obtained(and therefore
some "assumptions" have been made somewhat prematurely perhaps by the
responder<g>) about the users file system and previous system history
and without wishing to appear pedantic some clarification to that might
be useful.....

Although practically speaking that's a relatively accurate statement
from young Lorne for a native (non dual boot)Warp install it's not
strictly true in the implication that it's solely limited to having to
boot from  a PC/MS DOS installation in order to subsequently create a
bootable DOS diskette.
It's fairly trivial to create a DOS bootable diskette via Warp directly
using say a diskimage file or even by manually copying IBMBIO.sys
IBMDOS.sys and COMMAND.COM(or MS equivalents) onto freshly formatted
diskette and re-setting system/hidden attributes.
The catch22 being(the unstated but no doubt implied part of Lornes
response<g>):  Providing, that is, you have access to(or can copy) these
files first...<g>.
A trivial batch file allows this to be done almost as quickly as a
native dos FORMAT a: /S or SYS a:

So a rather more definitive answer is Yes you can create bootable DOS
diskettes from Warp4 (and others) but obviously not via the method the
poster was originally attempting and not without some pre-requisite
files being available on a Warp accessible drive<g>.

Of course if user literally has no easy access to any native DOS (or
alternatively IBMBIO.DOS IBMDOS.DOS files from a previous but now
redundant dual boot installation<g>) in order to initially seed his boot
diskette then the esteemed Mr Sunley's most concise answer is
unequivocally correct in that specific (but arguably limited)
context!<vbg>
However such a restriction (although not totally unlikely) is still very
much conjecture at this point and only tentatively implied by the
context of the original posters question.

If that is indeed the case then some kind soul might even be tempted to
ignore any tenuous licensing implications and send the poster the
requisite 3 files(approx 60 - 100Kb total dependent on DOS version)
privately via email<vbg>.....
Or with a little more lateral thinking might even suggest that if user
downloads say any bios zip file from say a IBM site and extracts just
those 3 files he can also achieve his objective without any further
overt 3rd party assistance or having to install and boot from a DOS
partition or another DOS diskette<vbg>.....
Furthermore in the (albeit unlikely) event that the posters system was
an OEM preload then there may well exist some bootable DOS disk images
for system diags etc.
In fact just for the hell of it I just copied IBMBIO,IBMDOS and a DOS
FORMAT.COM onto my Warp partition and actually ran
C:\TEMP>] FORMAT A: /s /t:80 /n:18
from within a dos seamless session and was pleasantly re-assured that
the diskette not only formatted but installed the necessary system
files.... <g>.
(and the /T /N or /F is only required under DOS using 1.44Mb media cos I
have a 2.88FDD).
...and I'll leave a similar exercise using DOS SYS.COM in a real DOS VDM
image running under Warp for someone else to play with <g>.

So not wishing to denigrate or unduly criticise Mr Sunley's most worthy
and welcomed efforts but it appears very few ever bother to take the
additional effort these days to actually analyse the problem and suggest
other alternatives when it's far easier and quicker to just say NO to
the "literal" question asked using the tenuous justification of: "brevis
esse laboro, obscurus fio"
[While labouring to be brief I become obscure!]

Ergo: The original answer relative to the posters question could be
interpreted several different ways and is therefore correct in a
specific interpreted context<g>.

> Lorne Sunley
(and trusting that torturously laboured explanation has thus avoided
unduly "ruffling any feathers"?<vbg>)
--
Rgds Tony W   Email: [e-mail]

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"


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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 15:30:24
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 14:31:18
Subj: Re: VOODOO 3 2000 problems with beta 9

From: [e-mail] (Richard A Crane)

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:23:00, filippo sartori <[e-mail]>
wrote:

[snip]
> How can I reset everything so that I can get it to work?
> Any idea to what to do next?
>
> Regards
> Filippo Sartori
>
ALWAYS reset to VGA before changing video drivers as they
can do all sorts of weird things to your system.
The safe solution is to change cards again restore to the
backup you took before installing SDD - then RESET to VGA ,
change cards and install SDD

Richard A Crane
Barrister & Solicitor
slightly altered email (anti-spamming) rcrane AT
octa4.net.au
OR rcrane AT attglobal.net

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From: [e-mail]                           30-Oct-99 14:48:24
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 14:31:18
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:27:26, Tony Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Lorne Sunley wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:40:22, "michael" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > > I want to create a bootable floppy diskette to upgrade my BIOS.  The
> > > instructions state that I must have a DOS system to do this and with a
> > > formatted floppy, type "sys a:".  I tried this using the OS/2 Warp 4
DOS
> > > Command Prompt and it did not work.  It didn't recognize "sys" as a
> > > command.   Can I create a bootable floppy diskette with OS/2 warp 4?
> > >
> >
> > No you can't. You need a PC-DOS or MS-DOS installation
> > to do that.
>
> I just hate those  words N-O and  C-A-N-T,  they're so blatantly misused
> all too often!<vbg>......
> .....and from such a venerated responder that otherwise frequently most
> ably and humbly assists all and sundry with his concise and accurate
> expertise, such an atypical (and ambiguous) statement "rankles" even
> more<g>....
>
> I personally prefer a much vaguer statement like:
> Errr not exactly - as insufficient info has been obtained(and therefore
> some "assumptions" have been made somewhat prematurely perhaps by the
> responder<g>) about the users file system and previous system history
> and without wishing to appear pedantic some clarification to that might
> be useful.....
>
> Although practically speaking that's a relatively accurate statement
> from young Lorne for a native (non dual boot)Warp install it's not
> strictly true in the implication that it's solely limited to having to
> boot from  a PC/MS DOS installation in order to subsequently create a
> bootable DOS diskette.
> It's fairly trivial to create a DOS bootable diskette via Warp directly
> using say a diskimage file or even by manually copying IBMBIO.sys
> IBMDOS.sys and COMMAND.COM(or MS equivalents) onto freshly formatted
> diskette and re-setting system/hidden attributes.
> The catch22 being(the unstated but no doubt implied part of Lornes
> response<g>):  Providing, that is, you have access to(or can copy) these
> files first...<g>.
> A trivial batch file allows this to be done almost as quickly as a
> native dos FORMAT a: /S or SYS a:
>
> So a rather more definitive answer is Yes you can create bootable DOS
> diskettes from Warp4 (and others) but obviously not via the method the
> poster was originally attempting and not without some pre-requisite
> files being available on a Warp accessible drive<g>.
>
> Of course if user literally has no easy access to any native DOS (or
> alternatively IBMBIO.DOS IBMDOS.DOS files from a previous but now
> redundant dual boot installation<g>) in order to initially seed his boot
> diskette then the esteemed Mr Sunley's most concise answer is
> unequivocally correct in that specific (but arguably limited)
> context!<vbg>
> However such a restriction (although not totally unlikely) is still very
> much conjecture at this point and only tentatively implied by the
> context of the original posters question.
>
> If that is indeed the case then some kind soul might even be tempted to
> ignore any tenuous licensing implications and send the poster the
> requisite 3 files(approx 60 - 100Kb total dependent on DOS version)
> privately via email<vbg>.....
> Or with a little more lateral thinking might even suggest that if user
> downloads say any bios zip file from say a IBM site and extracts just
> those 3 files he can also achieve his objective without any further
> overt 3rd party assistance or having to install and boot from a DOS
> partition or another DOS diskette<vbg>.....
> Furthermore in the (albeit unlikely) event that the posters system was
> an OEM preload then there may well exist some bootable DOS disk images
> for system diags etc.
> In fact just for the hell of it I just copied IBMBIO,IBMDOS and a DOS
> FORMAT.COM onto my Warp partition and actually ran
> C:\TEMP>] FORMAT A: /s /t:80 /n:18
> from within a dos seamless session and was pleasantly re-assured that
> the diskette not only formatted but installed the necessary system
> files.... <g>.
> (and the /T /N or /F is only required under DOS using 1.44Mb media cos I
> have a 2.88FDD).
> ....and I'll leave a similar exercise using DOS SYS.COM in a real DOS VDM
> image running under Warp for someone else to play with <g>.
>
> So not wishing to denigrate or unduly criticise Mr Sunley's most worthy
> and welcomed efforts but it appears very few ever bother to take the
> additional effort these days to actually analyse the problem and suggest
> other alternatives when it's far easier and quicker to just say NO to
> the "literal" question asked using the tenuous justification of: "brevis
> esse laboro, obscurus fio"
> [While labouring to be brief I become obscure!]
>
> Ergo: The original answer relative to the posters question could be
> interpreted several different ways and is therefore correct in a
> specific interpreted context<g>.
>
> > Lorne Sunley
> (and trusting that torturously laboured explanation has thus avoided
> unduly "ruffling any feathers"?<vbg>)
> --
> Rgds Tony W   Email: [e-mail]
>

Tony,

I stand corrected, I did not realize that using the DOS FORMAT
command within a DOS window would, given the presence of
IBMDOS, IBMBIO would transfer the system files to the diskette.

Were all the files located in the "TEMP" directory that you created
and to what PC-DOS version did they belong? Did you use any
values in the DOS_VERSION session settings to control the
DOS version seen by FORMAT?

I have a number on boot diskette images, MS-DOS v6 and diskette
images from BIOS FLASH utilities saved on my hard drive using
SAVEDSKF (which I obtained from one of the IBM web sites).

If I write one of these images to a virtual disk using VFDISK (also
from some IBM web site, although SVFDISK should also work)
the FORMAT command issued from within a DOS window
with the path restricted to the VFDISK drive letter, fails with
an "Incorrect DOS version" error. This error occurs with the
MS-DOS v6 image. If I change the DOS_VERSION information
in the session DOS properties to return version 6.0 for the
format command (line entered was FORMAT.COM,6,0,255)
the format command will work and appears - using the
ATTRIB command - to have transferred all the files.

In this case (DOS v6) the files required were IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS,
COMMAND.COM, DBLSPACE.BIN, and FORMAT.COM.

Trying to boot the diskette resulted in a "Missing Command
Interpreter"
error. The FORMAT command had transferred over the
COMMAND.COM file from the \OS2\MDOS directory rather
than the one that was present on the VFDISK drive. Copying
the correct COMMAND.COM file resulted in a bootable DOS
diskette.

I also downloaded one of the IBM Aptiva BIOS update
diskettes from the pc.ibm.com website

URL ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/ps1aptiva/update_files/bios/

picking at random the file P3FLASH.EXE which is for one of
the Aptiva machines. Executing this program created a bootable
PC-DOS diskette. I erased the AUTOEXEC.BAT file so
that it would not auto-start the BIOS update program and
this also gave me a bootable diskette. This particular
BIOS update package includes COMMAND.COM unlike
some that use a "shell=????" statement in a config.sys
file to load the BIOS update program and do not include
the command interpreter.

I have to admit that when I need a DOS boot diskette I just create
one using one of these images, but this presupposes that one
already has a DOS boot diskette that can be used to create the
image. As Michael did not have I DOS boot diskette I hesitated
to offer this as a "solution" to his problem.

The idea of using one of the BIOS flash packages had never
occured to me.

Thanks for the "torturously laboured explanation" that led
me to try something new (for me at least) and learn a bit more
about the operation of DOS sessions within OS/2.

Michael,

you might try downloading the P3FLASH.EXE from
the above quoted URL, and copy the BIOS update programs
to that diskette. Make sure you erase the P3FLASH.EXE,
?????.BIN, AUTOEXEC.BAT  and README.TXT files that
are placed there during the creation of the diskette as these
are the Aptiva BIOS update files.

Lorne Sunley


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From: [e-mail]                           30-Oct-99 15:41:22
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 14:31:18
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:27:26, Tony Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

<snip everything>

Tony,

BTW - your post only appeared on my ISP's news server on
the morning of October 30. Your posting date shows as October 26.

Just to explain why there appears to be a long delay for
the response.

Lorne Sunley


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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 17:40:00
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: DOS session memory problems with Warp3 FP40

From: [e-mail] (Bill)

Hello all,

I'm running into problems with memory shortages in DOS sessions on Warp 3
machines since applying FP40. I've applied the FP40 for Y2k compliance
reasons.

The application that is having the problem is certainly memory intensive but
ran
OK before the FixPack. It also usually runs OK on real DOS machines, only
failing
when particularly large arrays are built. The OS/2 systems, however, die
with regularity at the same point in the application. . .I should say that the
DOS
session dies.

Note: I have set the VIDEO_MODE_RESTRICTION=CGA and DOS=HIGH to give the
application about 730K but the session still crashes.

The point where the session dies is when the application attempts to start a
DOS
subprocess. This either causes the application to trap the error with a
complaint
that there is not enough memory to load command.com or OS/2 to kill the
session
with a sys3017, which pretty much amounts to the same thing. This seems to
happen irrespective of the hardware on which OS/2 is running.

While the application could probably manage its memory usage better, the
un-FixPacked OS/2 stations that I support can run it without problems of any
sort.
Regular DOS machines can also usually run the app. If I apply the FixPack to
one
of the functioning systems, it will no longer work.

Does anyone know of any changes to the way OS/2 manages memory for DOS
sessions that may be part of the FixPacks? Any thoughts of a possible
solution?

Bill Henry
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 20:03:19
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: NS 4.61 bugs with large page

From: Mat Nieuwenhoven <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I think I found two real bugs.

Environment: Warp4+FP10, Communicator 4,61 GA, WarpCenter, 100 MHz
Pentium, 32 M RAM, 3Com509 NIC card.
When trying some server code, we generated a html page consisting of
1.000.000 lines of "xxxxxx this is server stuff <\BR>", where xxxx is a
line number. This generates an html page of about 38 Mbyte.

1. About 5-10 M into the download the kb/sec counter at the bottom went
to (and stayed at) to 0 bytes/sec, even though the data was till coming
in at about 25 kbytes/sec. Maybe this is related to the size of the
configured cache (1024 memory,  7680 disk).

2. At the end (status at bottom said 100% complete) I got a pop-up box
saying that 'Netscape is out of memory'. By that time about 30 M of
extra disk space had been used on the OS/2 boot partition which also
holds the netscape directories, and 140 (!) MByte of OS/2 swap space
(different partition). But there was still 30 M free space on the
netscape partition and 150 on the swap partition. So why does it report
'out of memory'? When I clicked away the dialog box, it displayed the
page but missed the last few promille (997.000 lines out of 1.000.000) .

3. Then, what is not a netscape bug, I think, I selected File->Save as.
It crashed immediately with the following error:

10-28-1999  16:36:56  SYS3175  PID 003b  TID 0001  Slot 0071
C:\NETSCAPE\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
1fb39b92
P1=00000002  P2=00000000  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=00000000  EBX=00000000  ECX=00000468  EDX=000011a0
ESI=007c5148  EDI=00000000
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=005b:1fb39b92  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:007c48c0  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=007c48d8  FLG=00012246

PMCTLS.DLL 0002:000b9b92

Side notes:
- The page is generated by an ASP with Visual Basic on an NT server,
which appears to be single threaded, slowing down testing.
- Netscape 4.05 on Sparc Solaris made it properly to the end, but then
contacted the server again and started redoing the page very slowly. But
this might have been my fault by clicking too much.
- We have yet to get this page displayed properly (or even at all) on
IE5.

So far it looks like the OS/2 version is the best of the lot for this
large HTML page! Great product! Thanks guys.

Regards, Mat Nieuwenhoven

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From: [e-mail]                                30-Oct-99 14:03:28
  To: [e-mail]                                     30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

To: michael <[e-mail]>
From: Mark Schlegel <[e-mail]>

michael wrote:

> I want to create a bootable floppy diskette to upgrade my BIOS.  The
> instructions state that I must have a DOS system to do this and with a
> formatted floppy, type "sys a:".  I tried this using the OS/2 Warp 4  DOS
> Command Prompt and it did not work.  It didn't recognize "sys" as a
> command.   Can I create a bootable floppy diskette with OS/2 warp 4?
>
> thanks
>
> [e-mail]

Michael, I needed to do exactly the same thing to update both motherboard
bios (for Y2K) and my video card bios to ensure it's up-to-date with newer
video drivers.  I didn't have DOS so I realized while updating my thinkpad
bios that ibm uses a dos boot disk to load their bioses to the various
thinkpads (I have a 390), so what you can do is go to:

http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-427MCG.html

and from there grab the bios/bootable image which is the file

ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/spsdijf0.exe
which is shown as a URL on that above page.

This is the bootable bios update disk for a thinkpad,
what you can do is adapt it to use it as a simple PC Dos boot disk
by deleting the bios update data file, and other things ibm put
in there other than the dos bootable command files.

Once downloaded on your computer, run this spsdijf0.exe in a dos
session with a blank floppy in the A: drive.  Once it's done loading
the floppy with the files, delete all the visible files.   These are:

dir a:

ANSI     SYS      8906  11-17-94  1:00p
CONFIG   SYS        32   8-15-98  7:38p
PHLASH   EXE     64167   4-29-98 11:50a
PLATFORM BIN       760   5-17-99  4:24p
F42      EXE     18630   6-30-98 12:35p
BTUPVPD  EXE     11532   9-18-98  5:04p
BTFLASH  F06     20859   9-03-99  4:52p
CMD      COM       130   5-21-99  7:52p
$0038000 FL1    524288   9-02-99  7:14p
       9 file(s)

This will leave the hidden files ibmbio.com and ibmdos.com,

running  dir /a:h  a:        will show them:

IBMBIO   COM    40614  11-17-94   1:00p
IBMDOS   COM    37066  11-17-94   1:00p
        2 file(s)      77680 bytes used

these are all you need to have a bootable ibm pc dos diskette.

Another option is the file cdbtrcv.exe on:
ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/commercial_desktop/cdbtrcv.exe

this is a more complicated one set of files, you delete the
autoexec.bat and config.sys and it should boot to dos,
but I think in this case it's msdos (the cdbtrcv.txt says
"Microsoft Windows 95 "CD-ROM Setup Boot Disk" " )

Mark


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     30-Oct-99 19:16:23
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: Re: Solved: NS 4.61 uses 100% CPU

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 05:05:40, yourself@127.0.0.1 (Rich Walsh) wrote:

> Well, I found something that certainly _looks_ the same - but different.
>
> Using NS4.61, 2048kb mem cache, 128kb disk cache, everything enabled,
> this 128bit-encryption-required page produces 100% CPU usage as soon
> as NS connects and then takes almost two minutes to be displayed.
>
>     https://www.firstunion.com/FrontLineLogin.html
>
> However, if I bring up the Preferences notebook, CPU usage drops to
> "normal" and the page displays quickly.  In fact, if I already have
> the File->Save as dialog displayed, the problem never occurs at all.
>
> What can I say but ??!???*??
>
>
>    == == almost usable email address:  rlwalshATpacket.net == ==
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
>                 |             - DragText v3.1 -
> Rich Walsh      |  A Distinctly Different Desktop Enhancement
> Ft Myers, FL    |  New!  Pickup & Drop for text, and more...
>                 |  http://www.usacomputers.net/personal/rlwalsh/
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
>  n

Hmmm. the encryption thing *might* have something to do with it. Seems
to me that I was going after an encrypted page when I saw the
"problem".  I will have to watch a little closer.

I have seen a 100% (short term) indication, once, since  I enabled
both caches.

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: [e-mail]                      30-Oct-99 20:43:26
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: Re: Solved: NS 4.61 uses 100% CPU

From: Thomas schweikle <[e-mail]>

Am 25.10.99, 00:38:10, schrieb "Martin Bartelds" <[e-mail]> zum
Thema Re: Solved: NS 4.61 uses 100% CPU (was: Netscape 4.61 animations):


> On 21 Oct 1999 11:54:27 GMT, Rich Walsh wrote:

> :><bad attitude>
> :>Quite frankly, if you're truly interested in resolving - or at least
> :>working around - a problem you've had for a long time, a little more
> :>testing and a whole lot less less verbiage is called for.  The known
> :>"cure" is *not* a small disk cache and no RAM cache (as you said
above),
> :>but simply having both types of cache enabled, regardless of size,
or
> :>both disabled.  For many, the preferred solution is a large memory
> :>cache and a very small disk cache.  Try it, and _then_ get back to
us.
> :></bad attitude>

> <Good attitude!>
> Yep, a mem cache of 10 Mb and a diskcache of 1 Mb solves the problem.
> When I lower to about 64 Kb, on some sites, the same problem is back.
> </Good attitude!>

> Yes, I tried configs before posting. There seems to be just a critical
> high watermark for a specific site to let NS461 get into trouble.

We had same problems with NS4.61 - Navigator has some problems with
his internal memory management. Occuring most likely loading graphics.

A huge mem cache makes the problem only occure later. Disk cache isn't
a mater.

I hope IBM fixing this.

--
Thomas




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From: [e-mail]                                    30-Oct-99 19:27:13
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 16:38:13
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 bugs with large page

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Mat Nieuwenhoven <[e-mail]> wrote:
        <<<snip>>>
> When trying some server code, we generated a html
page consisting of
> 1.000.000 lines of "xxxxxx this is server stuff
<\BR>", where xxxx is a
> line number. This generates an html page of about
38 Mbyte.
        <<<snip>>>

Please post the URL for this page so I can be sure to
NEVER VISIT IT!!!  <:-))

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [e-mail]                                30-Oct-99 18:22:09
  To: All                                               30-Oct-99 21:22:10
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: [e-mail] (Oliver Rick)

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

>> I now suspect a defect in FDISK, but probably in the filesystem
>> somewhere? FDISKPM is also wrong, calls the x'17' as if it is x'07'? It
>> IS possible that since 'something' thinks it is an HPFS partition, the
>> API gets a '2' back, file NOT found, and we then continue?

> FDISKPM does show the NTFS primary C: partition as HPFS. This isn't
> a one-time anomaly, either - did the same thing in two different OS/2
> installs on two different partitions.

HPFS and NTFS have the same ID 07h, 17h when the partition is hidden
(primary partition which is not assigned to 'C:').

   /Olli/
--
IBM OS/2 Warp Update Summary:
http://www.warpupdates.de/english/warpupdates.html

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From: [e-mail]                                       29-Oct-99 15:23:00
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 05:35:14
Subj: VOODOO 3 2000 problems with beta 9

From: filippo sartori <[e-mail]>

HI
I got myself a voodoo 3 2000 board
I had an s3 trio card before.
So I installed successfully SDD on the system with the trio running
set the system at 1024x768 16K colours (maybe 256?) and that was
ok .
I then swapped cards and the system booted up ok on the same
video resolution.
After that I changed to 1600x(is it 1200?) 32 bit colour and rebooted.
At boot up I got trap at $SINGLEQ and system frozen in text mode.
It happened at the time when the system normally cahnges to
graphics mode.

I then switched to VGA: ok.
Installed SDD again: ok.
rebooted and again trap on SINGLEQ?
It looks like that whatever setting was making the first setup
fail is still in place.
How can I reset everything so that I can get it to work?
Any idea to what to do next?

Regards
Filippo Sartori



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From: [e-mail]                            30-Oct-99 18:15:19
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 05:35:15
Subj: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 20:24:29
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 05:35:15
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: "/2 User" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:15:39 -0600, Chuck McKinnis wrote:

>I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
>trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
>--

Where would one get this Theseus App?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
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From: [e-mail]                         31-Oct-99 00:38:25
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 05:35:15
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: [e-mail] (Iain Allen)

For a source of downloadable DR  DOS including a boot disk image, you
used to be able to download it from Caldera free for personal use.
Version 7.03 appears to be available from
http://www.lineo.com/products/download.html  The CD that you get with
partition magic 4.0 also has the means to make a DR DOS bootable
floppy as well.

On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:03:56, Mark Schlegel <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> michael wrote:
>
> > I want to create a bootable floppy diskette to upgrade my BIOS.  The
> > instructions state that I must have a DOS system to do this and with a
> > formatted floppy, type "sys a:".  I tried this using the OS/2 Warp 4  DOS
> > Command Prompt and it did not work.  It didn't recognize "sys" as a
> > command.   Can I create a bootable floppy diskette with OS/2 warp 4?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > [e-mail]
>
> Michael, I needed to do exactly the same thing to update both motherboard
> bios (for Y2K) and my video card bios to ensure it's up-to-date with newer
> video drivers.  I didn't have DOS so I realized while updating my thinkpad
> bios that ibm uses a dos boot disk to load their bioses to the various
> thinkpads (I have a 390), so what you can do is go to:
>
> http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-427MCG.html
>
> and from there grab the bios/bootable image which is the file
>
> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/spsdijf0.exe
> which is shown as a URL on that above page.
>
> This is the bootable bios update disk for a thinkpad,
> what you can do is adapt it to use it as a simple PC Dos boot disk
> by deleting the bios update data file, and other things ibm put
> in there other than the dos bootable command files.
>
> Once downloaded on your computer, run this spsdijf0.exe in a dos
> session with a blank floppy in the A: drive.  Once it's done loading
> the floppy with the files, delete all the visible files.   These are:
>
> dir a:
>
> ANSI     SYS      8906  11-17-94  1:00p
> CONFIG   SYS        32   8-15-98  7:38p
> PHLASH   EXE     64167   4-29-98 11:50a
> PLATFORM BIN       760   5-17-99  4:24p
> F42      EXE     18630   6-30-98 12:35p
> BTUPVPD  EXE     11532   9-18-98  5:04p
> BTFLASH  F06     20859   9-03-99  4:52p
> CMD      COM       130   5-21-99  7:52p
> $0038000 FL1    524288   9-02-99  7:14p
>        9 file(s)
>
> This will leave the hidden files ibmbio.com and ibmdos.com,
>
> running  dir /a:h  a:        will show them:
>
> IBMBIO   COM    40614  11-17-94   1:00p
> IBMDOS   COM    37066  11-17-94   1:00p
>         2 file(s)      77680 bytes used
>
> these are all you need to have a bootable ibm pc dos diskette.
>
> Another option is the file cdbtrcv.exe on:
> ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/commercial_desktop/cdbtrcv.exe
>
> this is a more complicated one set of files, you delete the
> autoexec.bat and config.sys and it should boot to dos,
> but I think in this case it's msdos (the cdbtrcv.txt says
> "Microsoft Windows 95 "CD-ROM Setup Boot Disk" " )
>
> Mark
>
>

--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Iain allen <[e-mail]>
-----------------------------------------------------------


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From: [e-mail]                               30-Oct-99 23:17:17
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 06:30:21
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: "Dilbert Firestorm" <[e-mail]>

RE: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d
BY: "/2 User" <redonn2@<NOSPAM>attglobal.net>

>Where would one get this Theseus App?

You can find it on the IBM software choice website.


Origin: Nuclear Wasteland * 504-394-0509


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From: [e-mail]                            30-Oct-99 23:01:09
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 06:30:21
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

You can FTP it from
ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/fixes/v4warp/theseus3

/2 User wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:15:39 -0600, Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> >I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> >trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
> >--
>
> Where would one get this Theseus App?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                   31-Oct-99 05:06:15
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 06:30:21
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: [e-mail] (Ted Miller)

In message <[e-mail]> - Chuck McKinnis
<[e-mail]> writes:
:>
:>I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
:>trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
:>--
:>Chuck McKinnis
:>Senior Systems Engineer
:>Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
:>IBM Business Partner
:>IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)


Hello Chuck

I have it installed on my system and it works without a problem.

Warp 4 fixpak 8
AMD K6 233 CPU
80 megs ram
Matrox Mill video using gradd .80 driver

Ted Miller
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                  31-Oct-99 09:22:25
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:17
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: Tony Wright <[e-mail]>

Lorne,
    Thanks - written offline admittedly but didn't get sent successfully
earlier on subsequent reconnect :-(   ...and as I now appear to be also
suffering from inability of NC404 to d/l body of replies (headers are
still visible) for offline reading it appears problem is my end and we
can't therefore blame news server latency wholly for this undue delay.
<g> ....

So if (as I suspect ) you commented on my points (on a previous post I
cannot currently access) my apologies for not acknowledging....

(Even worse I just tried to reconnect and read online and I can't read
my post or your earlier one - obviously time to delete & rebuild NC's
snm files <g>.... In meantime whatever you wrote I'm sure it was more
pertinent and to the point than mine<g>)

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:27:26, Tony Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> <snip everything>
>
> Tony,
>
> BTW - your post only appeared on my ISP's news server on
> the morning of October 30. Your posting date shows as October 26.
>
> Just to explain why there appears to be a long delay for
> the response.
>
> Lorne Sunley



--
Rgds Tony W   Email: [e-mail]

"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: [e-mail]                                  31-Oct-99 11:36:14
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:18
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: "Michael K Greene" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:15:39 -0600, Chuck McKinnis wrote:

>I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
>trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).

Yes and it works great. [Warp 3 Red FP42] The previous version stopped
working a couple FixPacs ago - nice to have it back.

>Chuck McKinnis
>Senior Systems Engineer
>Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
>IBM Business Partner
>IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

Michael K Greene <[e-mail]>     |      OS/2 Warp / Linux / Win95-311



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From: [e-mail]                           31-Oct-99 16:02:26
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:18
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:15:39, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
> --

I installed it last night on my WSeB system and it seems to be working
fine so far....

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                                      31-Oct-99 19:51:15
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:19
Subj: disappearing text

From: [e-mail] (Steen Bondo)

Hi all

W4 - FP10 - WordPro - S3 Trio 3D/2X AGP 64BIT - gradd080.exe

Installed as GEN driver = no accelerated (due to my monitor)
1024x768x65K

When writing in WordPro, the text gets invisible(I've tried with
several fonts), I can get it visible by using PgUp/PgDn - but it's
annoying.!!

Any solution, fix or anything..??

Thanks
--
Steen

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From: [e-mail]...               31-Oct-99 12:39:03
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:19
Subj: persistent kernel32.dll errors

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: fogger <[e-mail]>

I keep getting kernel32.dll errors and stack dumps while
working in Netscape Communicator and other applications.
Any fix for this to make it go away forever?
Thanks.


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From: [e-mail]                           31-Oct-99 21:06:06
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:19
Subj: Re: disappearing text

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:51:31, [e-mail] (Steen Bondo) wrote:

> Hi all
>
> W4 - FP10 - WordPro - S3 Trio 3D/2X AGP 64BIT - gradd080.exe
>
> Installed as GEN driver = no accelerated (due to my monitor)
> 1024x768x65K
>
> When writing in WordPro, the text gets invisible(I've tried with
> several fonts), I can get it visible by using PgUp/PgDn - but it's
> annoying.!!
>
> Any solution, fix or anything..??
>

Try FP 12, There was a bug in PMMERGE.DLL that
caused this to happen in some fixpacks.

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                           31-Oct-99 21:08:17
  To: All                                               31-Oct-99 22:05:19
Subj: Re: persistent kernel32.dll errors

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:39:07, fogger
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I keep getting kernel32.dll errors and stack dumps while
> working in Netscape Communicator and other applications.
> Any fix for this to make it go away forever?
> Thanks.
>

And you are using what operating system???

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                                   01-Nov-99 01:16:02
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:07
Subj: Netscape 4.61 and cert7.db

From: [e-mail]

Every couple of days, Netscape 4.61 begins failing on host lookups. I have
traced
this to the cert7.db file. If I replace this file with the original version
(from a clean
install), everything works -- but only for a while. The file is being
corrupted
somehow. Any ideas on this?

I am running Warp 4, Fixpak 11, Java 1.18. (I installed Fixpak 12 and backed
out
because of problems I encountered).






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From: [e-mail]                              01-Nov-99 05:48:06
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:07
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).

    I've installed it on a couple of systems without a problem. It works
great.
    Did you expunge all previous instances of the earlier version?

--

sma at rtd dot com
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From: [e-mail]                              01-Nov-99 05:51:27
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:07
Subj: Re: CSF for  fixpack 38

From: James Moe <[e-mail]>


Dilbert Firestorm wrote:
>
> RE: Re: Solved: NS 4.61 uses 100% CPU (was: Netscape 4.61 animations)
> BY: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>
>
> just wondering..
>
> does  it make any differernce what csf_### version to use under warp 3.0
> fixpack 38?
>
    Yes. I seem to recall that the fixpak and CSF version numbers sort
of tracked for a while. Fixpak 38 required CSF v1.38, fixpak 40 required
CSF v1.40, etc. The lastest is v1.141 and will work just fine w/FP38.


--

sma at rtd dot com
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From: [e-mail]                           01-Nov-99 06:06:01
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:07
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 00:15:39, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
> --

I had previously posted that I was using Theseus 3.0 with
WSeB without any problems. Unfortunately I have received
a trap D as well. This occurred when a workstation was
using XCOPY to transfer some 4000 files to the WSeB
machine.

Removing the theseus5.sys driver from config.sys
allowed the same file copy to proceed without an error.

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                                      01-Nov-99 07:49:20
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:08
Subj: disappearing text

From: [e-mail] (Steen Bondo)

Lorne Sunley wrote in a message to Steen Bondo:

LS> Try FP 12, There was a bug in PMMERGE.DLL that
LS> caused this to happen in some fixpacks.

Thanks - though I will try only to replace <PMMERGE.DLL> with FP8/9/11 -
 these I have.....

Yep - success, FP11 <PMMERGE.DLL> seemed to to the trick.!
--
Steen

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From: [e-mail]                                      01-Nov-99 07:50:25
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:08
Subj: have a nice day

From: [e-mail] (Steen Bondo)

Hi Amazing <[e-mail]>

...from me, you know the sucker who loves you so very much.!

Love - see you
--
Steen

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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     25-Oct-99 19:59:13
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 05:45:08
Subj: Re: JAVAI access violation

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:40:23, [e-mail] wrote:

> Hi!
>
> >Well, the first thing I would do, is remove the -nojit option. Then, I
> >would modify my CLASSPATH statement, in CONFIG.SYS, to eliminate all
> >references to older versions of JAVA.
>
> That seemed to help! Thanx!
> Which compiler is used, when -nojit is enabled???
>
> Cu!
>
> Andi
>

I have no idea what -nojit does, other than turn off the "Just In
Time" compiler, that compiles JAVA code, just in time to run it. What
happens when it is disabled? I have no idea (anyone??).

Glad I could help...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
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From: [e-mail]                 01-Nov-99 12:13:19
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 10:23:24
Subj: SYS2070 PMSHELL.EXE SYS 193 :-)?

From: Jan Rasche <[e-mail]>

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hi@all!

my problem with a new installed os/2 warp 4 + fp m018 is the following:

the wps doesn't start. i become the folowing error message:

SYS 2070 TID 0001 SLOT 0027 D:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE PMWP 193

the only way to start warp is with alt+f1, f2, and than the start of
pmshell at the command line.

the problem was from the beginn (in part 3 while the installation of the
software) of the installation. but i had diabled the cache - and so it
was going to the end without failures (long drive home :-)).

hardware:

celeron 300a
(an cheap mainboard - i know this mistake) pcchips m 726 ami v990313)
aic7870 [(adapdec 2940uw) with 3 hdd's 500, 1000, 2000 mb
and 2 cdr's Pionier 10x and thosiba 4x]
matrox millenium 8mb (i boot os2 in the vga mode the newest mga driver
will have another failure sys 3175)
soundblaster awe32 pnp at 5 1 6

in the past i was using a asus + P133 without the 500 + 2000 mb hdd's
and the 64mb dimm, and without any os/2 problem like this.


i hope anybody can help me with this.

thanks

jan rasche

home: www.xcommunycationz.com

P.S.:
It's a november day in Germany and no other harm was done to humans,
animals, hardware or software during this experience.

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From: [e-mail]                                   01-Nov-99 14:33:06
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 10:23:24
Subj: MS-DOS from diskette

From: "Slava Tihonyuk" <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I have problem when running MS-DOS 6.2 from boot diskette
(DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE=a:)
under OS/2 Warp 4.0.
I see "Starting MS-DOS"  message and then system offers to close task (or
task is doing nothing). When I boot MS-DOS from it - no errors. I have tried
many diskettes but result is same.
What should I do to overcome this problem ?

Slava.
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]                                       01-Nov-99 13:30:27
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:19
Subj: Re: VOODOO 3 2000 problems with beta 9

From: filippo sartori <[e-mail]>

 Hi!
I managed to go through the problem.
It actually turned out that the SDD could not do 24 bit true color
modes..
So I put back the old S3 card 2 meg of ram with SDD still installed and
I
got it to work at 1600x1200x256 !!! which I never had the chance to try.

Then I set up for 1024x768x65K and switched to the VOODOO 2000 and that
worked. Finally I risked again 1600x1200x65K and that was successfull.
Lately I tried gatest with 24 and 32 bit modes and I found that they did
not work!

Filippo


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From: [e-mail]                           01-Nov-99 08:36:09
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:19
Subj: Re: MS-DOS from diskette

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <7vk1be$cla$[e-mail]>, on 11/01/99 at 02:33 PM,
   "Slava Tihonyuk" <[e-mail]> said:

> Hi,

> I have problem when running MS-DOS 6.2 from boot diskette
> (DOS_STARTUP_DRIVE=a:)
> under OS/2 Warp 4.0.
> I see "Starting MS-DOS"  message and then system offers to close task
> (or task is doing nothing). When I boot MS-DOS from it - no errors. I
> have tried many diskettes but result is same.
> What should I do to overcome this problem ?


RTFM. This is clearly spelled out in the Warp Desktop Guide with further
options available as set forth in the OS/2 Command Reference. One should
always thoroughly read and understand the documentation before bleating
for help from those who took the trouble to do so.

For Your Information, RTFM means Read the F**** Manuals.

You must add certain files to the dos diskette for it to boot under OS/2.
The needed lines are clearly set forth in the help files of Warp. First
bring up the Warp Desktop Guide under Tasks in the Information icon of
Warp 4. Then go down the Table of Contents to Using Disk Drives. Open that
section. Go down the TOC to Creating a DOS Startup Diskette. Also read the
next section.

You might also want to read about VMDISK in the OS/2 Command Reference.

--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [e-mail]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: [e-mail]                            01-Nov-99 07:13:00
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:19
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Seems I left a few pieces of the old version around.  That really screws
it up.  Thanks for the help.

James Moe wrote:
>
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> >
> > I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> > trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
>
>     I've installed it on a couple of systems without a problem. It works
> great.
>     Did you expunge all previous instances of the earlier version?
>
> --
>
> sma at rtd dot com
> Remove ".spam-not" for email

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                          01-Nov-99 14:15:11
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:19
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: Paul Ratcliffe <[e-mail]>

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).

It's working OK for me on W4+FP11.

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From: [e-mail]                                   01-Nov-99 17:33:12
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:20
Subj: Re: MS-DOS from diskette

From: "Slava Tihonyuk" <[e-mail]>

Bob Germer <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:381d99e8$2$obot$[e-mail]...
> On <7vk1be$cla$[e-mail]>, on 11/01/99 at 02:33 PM,
>    "Slava Tihonyuk" <[e-mail]> said:
> RTFM. This is clearly spelled out in the Warp Desktop Guide with further
> options available as set forth in the OS/2 Command Reference. One should
> always thoroughly read and understand the documentation before bleating
> for help from those who took the trouble to do so.
>
> For Your Information, RTFM means Read the F**** Manuals.
>
> You must add certain files to the dos diskette for it to boot under OS/2.
> The needed lines are clearly set forth in the help files of Warp. First
> bring up the Warp Desktop Guide under Tasks in the Information icon of
> Warp 4. Then go down the Table of Contents to Using Disk Drives. Open that
> section. Go down the TOC to Creating a DOS Startup Diskette. Also read the
> next section.
>
> You might also want to read about VMDISK in the OS/2 Command Reference.
>

Thank you.
I read manual before.
I added fsfilter.sys to my config.sys file and copied fsaccess.exe to the
diskette.
It seems that system didn't read config.sys at all or maybe I have to read
manual further.

Slava



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From: [e-mail]                             01-Nov-99 10:36:06
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 14:27:20
Subj: Re: Warp Server not able to get available memory

From: "Scott E. Garfinkle" <[e-mail]>

On 29 Oct 1999 22:10:08 GMT, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:

>There is no "220 MB-per-allocation" limit.  There is a limit for how
>much virtual memory an application [*] can see: 512M.  A lot of these
>512M are reserved for shared areas, DLL areas etc.  What remains is
>somewhat like 220M of virtual memory (this digit is a result of
>experiments) available for application-requested memory.
Correct (mostly). Actually, it gets even more complicated with Warp 3 SMP and
Warp Server for e-Bsuiness (Aurora).
There is 512mb in the "compatibility region" starting at address 64k. There
is a system arena at the 4gb line and going down.
The compatibility region is divided into private and shared regions  (we'll
leave out discussion of protected, packed, and "global shared" regions).
There is a minimum of 64mb in each of the private and shared arena. To start
with, a pretty empty system probably grabs around 200+mb of shared memory for
DLLs and shared data (the figure is very approximate).  Applications can
allocate private and shared memory, thus growing the bottom of the shared
arena (which started at 512mb) down toward the top of the private arena
(which started at 64kb). So, you see, the maximum you can allocate out of
shared or private memory is related to what everyone else in the system has
already allocated. One thing it is NOT related to in most cases is the amount
of physical memory.  In the SMP + WSEB cases, there is also "high memory."
The High Memory Area (HMA) is the area starting at 512mb and oing up the the
value specified by VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT (default is 2gb).  The system arena
starts after the HMA. The HMA is divided into private and shared HMAs in a
manner similar to the compatibility region. Apps that use appropriate APIs,
such as DB2 (but not any Lotus products, unfortunately), can allocate more
buffers out of the compat region.

As you see, there are many variables. This is not a subject for the faint of
heart.


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From: [e-mail]                               01-Nov-99 15:36:20
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: Theseus/2 and Trap 000d

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

Chuck, what FP's are on the machine? FP 12? Do a "DIR OS2DASD.D* /S" and
see which version you are running? Suspect you'll find two version, a
7/99 and 8/98 version. Try the other one (should be in your BACKUP or
ARCHIVE directory for the FP's), might work that way, please let me
know.

Irv

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> I have tried to run the new release a couple of times and keep getting a
> trap 000d.  Has anyone else tried the new release (the3000.exe).
> --
> Chuck McKinnis
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> IBM Business Partner
> IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                               01-Nov-99 15:41:17
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 19:58:09
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

I'm going to check the FixTool under DEBUG as soon as I get a chance.
I'm suspicious of the partition reporting back in FDISK an FDISKPM as
HPFS. The FixTool looks to see what is reported back from DosQFSAttach.
If it DOES come back as HPFS, then I understand that has happened IF
you've enabled LW (default). ALWAYS get a zero return code. Win9x FAT32
reports as OTHER FS, not HPFS.

If we thought we put the FIXSTART on C: and then went on (0 RC) we'd be
up the creek if you had aborted the FP install. If LW was off, I'd
suspect you'd get the corrupt file message.

Will work on it, possibly this week.

Irv

P.S., the x'1x' means hidden, x'x7' means IFS, and since the drive is
not removeable, HPFS.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> writes:
> >Hmm, didn't notice my machine reported the first drive as NTFS, which is
> >isn't?
> >
> >I now suspect a defect in FDISK, but probably in the filesystem
> >somewhere? FDISKPM is also wrong, calls the x'17' as if it is x'07'? It
> >IS possible that since 'something' thinks it is an HPFS partition, the
> >API gets a '2' back, file NOT found, and we then continue?
> >
> >Will have to look at this.
> >
> >Irv
> >
>
> FDISKPM does show the NTFS primary C: partition as HPFS. This isn't
> a one-time anomaly, either - did the same thing in two different OS/2
> installs on two different partitions.

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From: [e-mail]                              02-Nov-99 00:48:02
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 21:31:00
Subj: Need new tape backup

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <[e-mail]> (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)

I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.

I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great
tech support, but I suspect that's because their products die so
often.  (Long history of failures here).

I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have
experience with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.
Will it support this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?

Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
newsgroup.

Thanks.



Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the
newsgroup.

Thanks.



-------------------------------------------------------------
"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open
                   that your brain falls out"

                    Camilla Cracchiolo
                     Registered Nurse
                  Los Angeles, California
                          USA

[e-mail]         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla


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From: [e-mail]                01-Nov-99 21:21:07
  To: All                                               01-Nov-99 21:31:00
Subj: 2GB Limit WinOS2 Drive Limit...

From: [e-mail]

Hello Ron.

22 Sep 99 08:31, you wrote to All:


 Rc> Thomas Carlyle wrote:
 >>
 >> Does anyone know of a work around or upgrade to WinOS2 that will
 >> allow me to use my entire 9.1GB HardDrive as one partition?  I
 know
 >> that WinOS2 (Win 3.X) is limited by the old DOS 2GB drive limit,
 but
 >> maybe some one has knowledge of a recompiled drive file that uses
 >> thunking, or some other modification to allow for the latest
 large
 >> drives (6GB, 8GB, 10GB, etc.)

 Rc> Thomas

I am happy to report that after upgrading the ide drivers
 "ibm506???", I am able to use my new 17gig drive (22G total). The
 17G is setup as one partition using HPFS.



 Rc> The 2GB limit you are probably talking about is a FAT(16)
 partition
 Rc> limit.  You can try going to HPFS and defining the first 8GB as
 a
 Rc> single partition (I'm assuming you are going to need to boot
 from this
 Rc> partition also... if your bootable OS2 is elsewhere you can
 define the
 Rc> whole disk as one partition, although I would never do that
 Rc> personally... too many eggs in one basket when the ultimate
 disaster
 Rc> occurs).

 Rc> Once you have done that, you can move on to the next potential
 Rc> problem. Some windows programs check for free space and are
 Rc> totally (mathematically) unprepared to deal with a number over
 2GB
 Rc> (and usually thinks the number is a negative or other incorrect
 Rc> positive value of free space.

My few windows programs do not have a problem with the 17G partition,
 however I do remember a program on one of the local OS/2 bbs that
 would cure the freespace reporting problem.  Sorry I don't have a
 name for it at the moment.


Derek Steel


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From: [e-mail]                           02-Nov-99 05:20:09
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 03:18:29
Subj: Re: Warp 4 and Dell Optiplex

From: [e-mail] (Lorne Sunley)

On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:54:22, "Richard Cohen" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi,       Wondering if anyone has come across this
>
> I look after a Call Ctr that uses Warp 4 on the Dell Optiplex range of PC's
> (G1, Gn and older). We are getting intermitent keyboard lockups and have not
> found a reason as yet.
> The K/Bd locks up but the PC is still usable via mouse.. Unplugging and
> repluging the K/Bd seems to resolve the problem "until next time".
>
> I have contacted Dell and they push me to the side saying OS/2 not supported
> run Diags...
>
> Any help appriciated

There were some discussions about problems with the
updated keyboard drivers from one of the fixpacks.

At that time people seemed to be able to work around
the problem by replacing the keyboard driver with the GA
release from the CD. The driver is IBMKBD.SYS and
it lives in the \OS2\BOOT directory.

There is also an updated keyboard driver package on
the Device Driver Pak IBMKEYBD.EXE that contains an
updated keyboard driver. This one may help.

Or, the problem may be caused by static electricity, the
bane of keeyboards and other devices. You could always
insist that everyone grounds themselves before touching
the keyboard and see if that helps.

Lorne Sunley

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From: [e-mail]                              02-Nov-99 18:31:21
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 03:18:29
Subj: Re: Warp 4 and Dell Optiplex

From: "Richard Cohen" <[e-mail]>

Thanks for your help - I'll give your suggestions a try

"Lorne Sunley" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:qpkdVVNoMoTk-pn2-xhTxKdGvH5db@tcpserver...
> On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:54:22, "Richard Cohen" <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,       Wondering if anyone has come across this
> >
> > I look after a Call Ctr that uses Warp 4 on the Dell Optiplex range of
PC's
> > (G1, Gn and older). We are getting intermitent keyboard lockups and have
not
> > found a reason as yet.
> > The K/Bd locks up but the PC is still usable via mouse.. Unplugging and
> > repluging the K/Bd seems to resolve the problem "until next time".
> >
> > I have contacted Dell and they push me to the side saying OS/2 not
supported
> > run Diags...
> >
> > Any help appriciated
>
> There were some discussions about problems with the
> updated keyboard drivers from one of the fixpacks.
>
> At that time people seemed to be able to work around
> the problem by replacing the keyboard driver with the GA
> release from the CD. The driver is IBMKBD.SYS and
> it lives in the \OS2\BOOT directory.
>
> There is also an updated keyboard driver package on
> the Device Driver Pak IBMKEYBD.EXE that contains an
> updated keyboard driver. This one may help.
>
> Or, the problem may be caused by static electricity, the
> bane of keeyboards and other devices. You could always
> insist that everyone grounds themselves before touching
> the keyboard and see if that helps.
>
> Lorne Sunley
>


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From: [e-mail]                                  01-Nov-99 12:16:17
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 03:18:29
Subj: Re: creating bootable floppy diskette

From: Tony Wright <[e-mail]>

I probably feeling paranoid (or cursed) but it seems everytime I make
the fatal attempt to clarify,question or correct , I inevitably uncover
more questions than are answered or lumber myself with totally unrelated
problems...  <g>...
However having temporarily managed to hack my way past Netscape's
propensity to screw up it's summary files I finally managed to read
Lornes post and a cursory answer is as follows:

Lorne Sunley wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:27:26, Tony Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Lorne Sunley wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:40:22, "michael" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I want to create a bootable floppy diskette to upgrade my BIOS.  The
> > > > instructions state that I must have a DOS system to do this and with a
> > > > formatted floppy, type "sys a:".  I tried this using the OS/2 Warp 4
DOS
> > > > Command Prompt and it did not work.  It didn't recognize "sys" as a
> > > > command.   Can I create a bootable floppy diskette with OS/2 warp 4?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No you can't. You need a PC-DOS or MS-DOS installation
> > > to do that.
> > ****snipped
> >
> > Although practically speaking that's a relatively accurate statement
> > from young Lorne for a native (non dual boot)Warp install it's not
> > strictly true in the implication that it's solely limited to having to
> > boot from  a PC/MS DOS installation in order to subsequently create a
> > bootable DOS diskette.
> > It's fairly trivial to create a DOS bootable diskette via Warp directly
> > using say a diskimage file or even by manually copying IBMBIO.sys
> > IBMDOS.sys and COMMAND.COM(or MS equivalents) onto freshly formatted
> > diskette and re-setting system/hidden attributes.
> > A trivial batch file allows this to be done almost as quickly as a
> > native dos FORMAT a: /S or SYS a:
> >
> > So a rather more definitive answer is Yes you can create bootable DOS
> > diskettes from Warp4 (and others) but obviously not via the method the
> > poster was originally attempting and not without some pre-requisite
> > files being available on a Warp accessible drive<g>.
> >
> > ****snippped
> > Or with a little more lateral thinking might even suggest that if user
> > downloads say any bios zip file from say a IBM site and extracts just
> > those 3 files he can also achieve his objective without any further
> > overt 3rd party assistance or having to install and boot from a DOS
> > partition or another DOS diskette<vbg>.....
> > Furthermore in the (albeit unlikely) event that the posters system was
> > an OEM preload then there may well exist some bootable DOS disk images
> > for system diags etc.
> > In fact just for the hell of it I just copied IBMBIO,IBMDOS and a DOS
> > FORMAT.COM onto my Warp partition and actually ran
> > C:\TEMP>] FORMAT A: /s /t:80 /n:18
> > from within a dos seamless session and was pleasantly re-assured that
> > the diskette not only formatted but installed the necessary system
> > files.... <g>.
> > (and the /T /N or /F is only required under DOS using 1.44Mb media cos I
> > have a 2.88FDD).
> > ....and I'll leave a similar exercise using DOS SYS.COM in a real DOS VDM
> > image running under Warp for someone else to play with <g>.
> > *******snipped
>
> Tony,
>
> I stand corrected, I did not realize that using the DOS FORMAT
> command within a DOS window would, given the presence of
> IBMDOS, IBMBIO would transfer the system files to the diskette.

Lorne,
Like most things in life<g> there's seems countless different ways of
achieving the same end result in OS/2 (philosophically perhaps thats one
of the attributes of the OS that still retains some appeal for the ever
diminishing loyal band of followers<g>).
As PartitionMagic and V4 specifically  always seems a popular
discussions point and if you had the opportunity to look at it's
MAKEDISK.BAT file in it's DOS-OS2 directory you would see that it
invokes it's own dos Format but manually copies the systems files<g>....
Presumably this is considered a more practically generic (cross
platform) and workable solution(unless you have a FDD drive whose media
sense line is not recognised by the DOS FORMAT version<g>) than having
to worry about DOS versioning/paths although it begs the question why PQ
didn't perhaps just use a simpler(for user) diskimage anyway?

> Were all the files located in the "TEMP" directory that you created
> and to what PC-DOS version did they belong? Did you use any
> values in the DOS_VERSION session settings to control the
> DOS version seen by FORMAT?

Yes in that specific previous example all files were in same directory
and run from that dir but retesting again appears to confirm your
findings that FORMAT /S doesn't totally successfully install all the
correct system files.
So my turn to stand corrected as I obviously didn't do a thorough enough
check!<vbg>
I think my original example was PC DOS 5.02 from an original(in this
case Thinkpad) preload diskette factory hence my other other "nit
picking" statement about not checking the users previous system
history<g> and also alternatively using a Thinkpad System (Bios)
diskimage from the IBM support site.
Caldera's DR DOS (7.02) certainly needed DOS_VERSION set for running
it's own dos FORMAT and this would be predictable for any
versionchecking module at variance to DOS session's default of 5.00.

Depending on path statement you've loaded either by AUTOEXEC default or
specific one for your DOS session then it seems entirely possible you
may well also pickup up an incorrect COMMAND.COM earlier in the
path.....circumstantially this does however seem more like a BAD(Broken
as Designed) feature in OS/2<g>  but you obviously have more experience
with virtual disks and can no doubt determine if there are specific
anomolies or "gotcha's" with path statements in that particular
scenario?

> I have a number on boot diskette images, MS-DOS v6 and diskette
> images from BIOS FLASH utilities saved on my hard drive using
> SAVEDSKF (which I obtained from one of the IBM web sites).
>
> If I write one of these images to a virtual disk using VFDISK (also
> from some IBM web site, although SVFDISK should also work)
> the FORMAT command issued from within a DOS window
> with the path restricted to the VFDISK drive letter, fails with
> an "Incorrect DOS version" error. This error occurs with the
> MS-DOS v6 image. If I change the DOS_VERSION information
> in the session DOS properties to return version 6.0 for the
> format command (line entered was FORMAT.COM,6,0,255)
> the format command will work and appears - using the
> ATTRIB command - to have transferred all the files.
>
> In this case (DOS v6) the files required were IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS,
> COMMAND.COM, DBLSPACE.BIN, and FORMAT.COM.
>
> Trying to boot the diskette resulted in a "Missing Command
> Interpreter"
> error. The FORMAT command had transferred over the
> COMMAND.COM file from the \OS2\MDOS directory rather
> than the one that was present on the VFDISK drive. Copying
> the correct COMMAND.COM file resulted in a bootable DOS
> diskette.

Congratulations you just uncovered another anomoly with OS/2 that seems
to apparently ignore any path setting in autoexec(or equivalent)
and certainly in this scenario obtains COMMAND.COM from C:\OS2\MDOS
instead!
So it appears you'd need the additional step of copying the
correct COMMAND.COM which rather defeats the purpose of this particular
exercise anyway<g>.
Well I guess you aptly demonstrated that due to the high configurability
of OS2 and it's inherent flexibility and versatility then it was indeed
equally as "unperceptive" of me to offer an alternative solution as
"trivial" without reverting my own system
back to installed defaults, diligently cross checking the original
posters setup, and testing a far wider number of DOS versions as
well!    :-(
I can't comment on using a virtual disk as personally I've not yet found
the neccessity to use this utility(or it's equivalent for some years<g>)
but instead attempted to suggest solution(s) more commensurate with
(hopefully) Michaels presumed setup without too many intermediate
packages being required.
However I suspect that attempting a more thorough test on all the above
would have resulted in increasing my already verbose answer to the point
of unreadability as well as apparently adding several weeks to the
reply<vbg>.

> I also downloaded one of the IBM Aptiva BIOS update
> diskettes from the pc.ibm.com website
>
> URL ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/ps1aptiva/update_files/bios/
>
> picking at random the file P3FLASH.EXE which is for one of
> the Aptiva machines. Executing this program created a bootable
> PC-DOS diskette. I erased the AUTOEXEC.BAT file so
> that it would not auto-start the BIOS update program and
> this also gave me a bootable diskette. This particular
> BIOS update package includes COMMAND.COM unlike
> some that use a "shell=????" statement in a config.sys
> file to load the BIOS update program and do not include
> the command interpreter.

Again a very valid point as individual COMMAND.com or equivalent shell
may well be tailored such that one may have to be selective(or lucky) to
choose one that works in  Michaels original or any other scenario.
His original objective was indeed to flash a bios and the apparent
instructions seemed to indicate that a more generic command shell
was recommended. Perhaps therefore d/ling Caldera's DR DOS from their
site might be preferred for Michaels purposes?.

Additionally if Michael wanted to create a more versatile DOS boot
diskette that accessed other hardware rather than limiting it to simple
bios flash update then the scenario becomes even more problematical.
He would undoubtedly spend much more time and effort in trying to locate
appropriate versions of CDROM,SCSI,Sound,print drivers etc that
correctly correlated with both his DOS version and his hardware.
Not to mention the additional complexities of trying to ensure that no
licensing conditions are deliberately infringed!<g>.

> I have to admit that when I need a DOS boot diskette I just create
> one using one of these images,

Indubitably the most easiest,less convoluted and I/we suspect the most
widely practised solution to creating a diskette w/o having to boot an
alternative OS or copy individual files...

> but this presupposes that one
> already has a DOS boot diskette that can be used to create the
> image. As Michael did not have I DOS boot diskette I hesitated
> to offer this as a "solution" to his problem.

Agreed and I did take some pains to make that very point in several
places as a justification(on your behalf) for your original "concise"
answer<g>.(Lets face it I was also being more than a tad pendantic in
elaborating on your original statement anyway<vbg>)...
It was more of an academic discussion and at the end of the day it was
probably more practically expedient for Michael to borrow a friend's DOS
PC or be sent an image to create a one off dos boot diskette although
probably less educational!

Of course the other (currently) unanswered "academic" question was
whether creating a real dos image via VMDISK(or even using your virtual
disk perhaps) allows one to alternatively use SYS.exe to subsequently
create a bootable diskette by specifying source as well as target
parameters<g>.
Again it's an even more convoluted step and hardly practical or even
necessary for Michaels initially simple requirement.
The only point being to demonstrate the  inherent versatility of OS/2 is
sometimes understated(or even forgotten) because of the considerable
initial setup/configuration effort required compared to more popular
alternative OS's and the greater preponderance of larger hardisks(and
faster CPU/access/reboots) able to accomodate multiboot
platforms.....    :-( .
But now I commit the mortal sin of not only digressing but straying into
the even more dangerous waters of advocacy...<vbg>

However if it's any consolation your report on your attempts was
intriquing enough to prompt me to revisit both VFDISK/VMDISK and test a
little more thoroughly with a greater variety of DOS versions in
future<vbg>.
Again it's been some years since I needed to boot from a real DOS image
under OS/2 and cursory test with FP9 just now reveals another can of
worms as FSFILTER device driver doesn't load and thus FSACCESS
subsequently fails so I can't test dos FORMAT A: /S or SYS a: in this
scenario.....
This particular problem is no doubt machine specific but for me at least
it raises more questions/challenges than the original answer!  :-(

> The idea of using one of the BIOS flash packages had never
> occured to me.

Your diagnostic approach is obviously more organised and therefore
unlike myself, you have never allowed yourself to be placed in a
position of having to resolve a "users" (urgent<g>) problem without a
complete "suite" of tools near to hand. Thus you've obviously have never
been "forced" to think of any other alternatives<vbg>.

The BIOS packages was a simple example and can no doubt be bettered by
others pointing to numerous other resources that would provide a more
comprehensive(and thus versatile) DOS install/bootable environment.
>
> Thanks for the "torturously laboured explanation" that led
> me to try something new (for me at least) and learn a bit more
> about the operation of DOS sessions within OS/2.

You're welcome...and if I can just follow your/others examples and
reduce the "overhead" in my posts (and stop Netscape sabotaging/delaying
my replies) then some of my appends may be rather more concise, timely,
and thus occasionally slightly more useful<vbg>.

> Michael,
>
> you might try downloading the P3FLASH.EXE from
> the above quoted URL, and copy the BIOS update programs
> to that diskette. Make sure you erase the P3FLASH.EXE,
> ?????.BIN, AUTOEXEC.BAT  and README.TXT files that
> are placed there during the creation of the diskette as these
> are the Aptiva BIOS update files.
>
> Lorne Sunley

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"humanum est errare: To err is human
.... and to fail is to be a Project Manager...
...but to foul things up completely needs a computer!"

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From: [e-mail]                                 02-Nov-99 03:48:26
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 10:31:21
Subj: Kernel File is Missing

From: "Michael D. Madden" <[e-mail]>

486/DX4 - 100mhz
64 megs RAM
3 harddrives - 4.3 gig/2.3 gig/204 megs

Been trying to install OS/2 3.0 all day and I constantly get this upon
booting to complete the installation.

"A kernel file is missing from the disk. Insert a system disk and
restart the system."

I have replaced the three files in Disk 1 so the big harrdrives are
recognized. That part works. Can't seem to install this system however.

I even tried to install to the small 204 meg drive and that did not work
either.

I am trying to install from the CD-ROM version of OS/2.

Is there anyone out there who has experienced this problem and who can
shed some light on this problem??

Thanks



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From: [e-mail]                                 02-Nov-99 12:22:16
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 10:31:21
Subj: Red Ball icons in system setup

From: [e-mail]

Has anyone had problems with the following:
The desktop redraws, you get an error message that there was
insufficient stack space and most of the icons in the system setup
folder have red balls that say FS and are not operable.

This always happens to me after I eject my Syquest drive and reinsert.
I have also had it happen after other operations where I have quite a
bit of disk activity.

I've upgraded the ibm1s506.add driver in all fixpacks (I'm on FP12) and have
always gotten this.  I run an AMD K6-3D 300MHz with 64 meg.  I have 2
hard drives (6.4.and 8.4 gig) and an IDE CDROM and Syjet drive.

Can someone help?

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From: [e-mail]                           02-Nov-99 10:35:03
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 14:32:22
Subj: Submitting 4.61 Problems

From: Michael Kaply <[e-mail]>

 4.61 Problems should be submitted using the standard PS submission
process.

Information is available at:

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/defect_submission/problem.txt

Mike Kaply
IBM

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From: [e-mail]                             02-Nov-99 10:18:13
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 16:47:17
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: [e-mail]

In <7vlcc5$b1o$[e-mail]>, on 11/02/99
   at 12:48 AM, Camilla Cracchiolo <[e-mail]> (Camilla
Cracchiolo, R.N.) said:

Another backup alternitive, is to backup to a removable hard drive using
xcopy and hpfs file systems in both prtitions. I have restored the OS on
numerous occasions. The only failure occured went I changed video cards.
Booting to VGA and reinstalling the video driver will solve this. A
removable hard drive is only 250 for 13 gigs. Brad Barkley is concerned
with hard drive reliablility. If the computer case and the hard drive is
properly cooled, reliability is much less of an issue. I have five HD's in
computer A, one of which is removable and has its own little fan; and
three in computer B. I have three case fans in A, in addition to the power
supply fan. Heat kills.

RJF



>I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.

>I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great tech
>support, but I suspect that's because their products die so often.  (Long
>history of failures here).

>I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have experience
>with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.  Will it support
>this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?

>Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.

>Thanks.



>Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.

>Thanks.



>-------------------------------------------------------------
>"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open
>                   that your brain falls out"

>                    Camilla Cracchiolo
>                     Registered Nurse
>                  Los Angeles, California
>                          USA

>[e-mail]         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla



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From: [e-mail]                    02-Nov-99 18:03:21
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 16:47:17
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 bugs with large page

From: "Simon Bowring" <[e-mail]>

>When trying some server code, we generated a html page consisting of
>1.000.000 lines of "xxxxxx this is server stuff <\BR>", where xxxx is a
>line number. This generates an html page of about 38 Mbyte.

Of all the bugs in all the world this is the least important
that I have ever come across (if indeed, it is a netscape bug).

Do you seriously think its important for browsers to cope with
multi-megabytes of text pages?

Simon Bowring


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From: [e-mail]                             02-Nov-99 14:40:21
  To: All                                               02-Nov-99 16:47:18
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

How many generations of backups are you going to make to a removable hard
disk?

I realize that the initial cost of a tape drive is higher, but the incremental
cost for additional backups and the ease of storing backups off site is a
tremendous plus.

Using DAT, a 4GB (uncompressed) backup costs less than $10.

And what happens if the hard disk controller goes belly up? The backup is
likely to be worthless too.

Alan


[e-mail] wrote:

> In <7vlcc5$b1o$[e-mail]>, on 11/02/99
>    at 12:48 AM, Camilla Cracchiolo <[e-mail]> (Camilla
> Cracchiolo, R.N.) said:
>
> Another backup alternitive, is to backup to a removable hard drive using
> xcopy and hpfs file systems in both prtitions. I have restored the OS on
> numerous occasions. The only failure occured went I changed video cards.
> Booting to VGA and reinstalling the video driver will solve this. A
> removable hard drive is only 250 for 13 gigs. Brad Barkley is concerned
> with hard drive reliablility. If the computer case and the hard drive is
> properly cooled, reliability is much less of an issue. I have five HD's in
> computer A, one of which is removable and has its own little fan; and
> three in computer B. I have three case fans in A, in addition to the power
> supply fan. Heat kills.
>
> RJF
>
> >I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.
>
> >I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great tech
> >support, but I suspect that's because their products die so often.  (Long
> >history of failures here).
>
> >I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have experience
> >with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.  Will it support
> >this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>
> >Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> >"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open
> >                   that your brain falls out"
>
> >                    Camilla Cracchiolo
> >                     Registered Nurse
> >                  Los Angeles, California
> >                          USA
>
> >[e-mail]         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla
>
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From: [e-mail]                                02-Nov-99 23:33:12
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 03:33:27
Subj: sys3175 in Nescape (4.61)

From: Jim Parker <[e-mail]>

I am getting a SYS3175 in Netscape. This is the sequence of events which
lead to the problem:

1. Dial uo my ISP (Injoy 1.1)
2. Bring up Netscape 4.61
3. Bounce around from newgroup to newsgroup looking at posts of interest
and perhaps posting.
4. On some random bounce to a different news group, all Netscape windows
disappear. The Netscape icon on my desktop remains cross hatched but no
Netscape processes appear the window list (ctrl-esc)
5. Try to restart Netscape and get SYS3175. Only recovery I've found so
far is to shut down and reboot. Then everything is OK until the next
time it crashes in a similar fashion.

Details:
Access violation at 00591ba (hmm - this number dosen't look right.
Perhaps wrote it down wrong. 00591b3a?)
NETSCAPE.EXE 0001:00581b3a
P1=00000001 P2=00000002 P3=XXXXXXXX P4=XXXXXXXX ESI=00dc80c0
EDI=0059183c
DS=0053 DSACC=d0f3 DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053 ESACC=d0f3 ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b FSACC=00f3 FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000 GSACC=**** GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=005b:00591b3a CSACC=d0df
SS:ESP=0053:007c4900 SSACC=d0f3
EBP=007c492c FLG=00012202

Running Warp 4 FP9.  Installed StarOffice5.1 on Sunday. First noticed
this problem Monday. Have been using Netscape 4.61 since it first came
out GA without any difficulty. Makes me somewhat suspicious of
StarOffice but the only changes to config.sys that I can detect were the
addition of the StarOffice directory to the end of PATH and LIBPATH
variables. Hard to imagine how that could cause problems.

Any ideas? Fixes? Ways to recover without rebooting (even though there
is no Netscape in the window list, there must be something still running
and, if I could kill it, I would be able to recover without reboot) ?

Thanks
Jim

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From: [e-mail]                               02-Nov-99 22:50:09
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 03:33:27
Subj: Nasty characters problem with Netscape 4.61

From: Michel Catudal <[e-mail]>

With the default fonts I get garbage instead of accented characters
With certain fonts I get the characters correctly except in the header of
letters
which can't be changed and the buttons as well as in Préférences.

My system is Warp 4.0 US with CF keyboard codepage 863
this is not the CA keyboard also known as Canadian keyboard but the French
Canadian Keyboard

Web Explorer has the same annoying problem.

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From: [e-mail]                               02-Nov-99 22:53:03
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 03:33:27
Subj: Has anyone ever got AWE64 to work with OS/2?

From: Michel Catudal <[e-mail]>

I have a plug and pray AWE64 card. It works great with Linux, Winblows NT and
Winblows 98
but with OS/2 I get stupid messages. If I remove the /P in the command I get a
core dump
and a halt, otherwise it just chokes on loading the driver and tells me that
it can't
load the sound support.

Any suggestion of a card that would work well under OS/2 as well as under
Linux?
This card works great with my Open Sound driver under Linux.


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From: [e-mail]                                 03-Nov-99 01:49:15
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 03:33:28
Subj: Re: Has anyone ever got AWE64 to work with OS/2?

From: [e-mail] (Richard Steiner)

Here in comp.os.os2.bugs, Michel Catudal <[e-mail]>
spake unto us, saying:

>Any suggestion of a card that would work well under OS/2 as well as under
>Linux?  This card works great with my Open Sound driver under Linux.

Get an AWE32 (if you can find one).

Since the SoundBlaster Live! drivers are apparently going to be open
sourced soon, maybe that'll end up being a good card for OS/2 as well.

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     OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
      + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
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From: [e-mail]                                 03-Nov-99 07:27:05
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 06:18:16
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>If we thought we put the FIXSTART on C: and then went on (0 RC) we'd be
>up the creek if you had aborted the FP install. If LW was off, I'd
>suspect you'd get the corrupt file message.

Truer words were ne'er spoken . . coincidentally, I just did an aborted
( first one, kinda due to my own stupidity, another story ) fp . . . . umm,
have you ever manually processed the locked files list ? "up the creek"
is a kind description. Ugly, very ugly. Coincidentally, if you try to use the
LAN Server setup program adn it asks if you want to install hpfs386 but
you say no because you already are using hpfs 386, it thoughtfully removes
any files relating to the ifs in the ibm386fs directory . . . this situation
leaves
something to be desired on the next bootup.

overall, not a great weekend.

>
>Will work on it, possibly this week.
>
>Irv
>
>P.S., the x'1x' means hidden, x'x7' means IFS, and since the drive is
>not removeable, HPFS.
>

oh, what about ntfs ? is there a separate designation for that ? or
does it just show up as an installable fs, x7 ? could be where the
confusion comes from, fdisk can't distinguish between ntfs-installable
and hpfs-installable ? you are right about the creek, the paddle, and
the aborted install.

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From: [e-mail]                           03-Nov-99 10:25:02
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 10:33:06
Subj: Re: Has anyone ever got AWE64 to work with OS/2?

From: Tim Rosnau <[e-mail]>

I've had no trouble at all with the AWE64 once I got it installed
with the correct drivers and settings. Try this page for some tips.

http://www.islandnet.com/~rharvey/os2/awe64os2.html#contents

Hope this helps.

Michel Catudal wrote:
>
> I have a plug and pray AWE64 card. It works great with Linux, Winblows NT
and Winblows 98
> but with OS/2 I get stupid messages. If I remove the /P in the command I get
a core dump
> and a halt, otherwise it just chokes on loading the driver and tells me that
it can't
> load the sound support.
>
> Any suggestion of a card that would work well under OS/2 as well as under
Linux?
> This card works great with my Open Sound driver under Linux.
>
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From: [e-mail]                                    03-Nov-99 07:17:00
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 10:33:07
Subj: Re: Has anyone ever got AWE64 to work with OS/2?

From: [e-mail] (Dan Casey)

In article <[e-mail]>,
Michel Catudal <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a plug and pray AWE64 card. It works great with Linux, Winblows NT and
Winblows 98
>but with OS/2 I get stupid messages. If I remove the /P in the command I get
a core dump
>and a halt, otherwise it just chokes on loading the driver and tells me that
it can't
>load the sound support.

There was once a set of instructions on a users website that detailed
installing this card in OS/2. Since that user is no longer supporting
the page, it now resides on the VOICE website, along with the last
beta level driver that Creative Labs released.

http://www.os2voice.org

Follow the link to EZ Reference.

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From: [e-mail]                      03-Nov-99 10:42:21
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 15:13:12
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: Howard Wong <[e-mail]>

First off, I am assuming you are putting the hard
drive in a "drawer" that can be removed from a
chassis that remains with the CPU box.

To reap full benefit of backups, the media holding
the backed up data should be stored in a location
away from the building the computer is located.
This requires transporting the storage media on a
regular basis, which is not what a typical hard
drive is designed for and you risk damaging the
HD. Moreover, such damage may not be noticeable
until you NEED the data for recovery.

Tape/MO/CD-R/JAZ/whatever with removable
disk/cartridge may be more expensive one way or
another, you get the intended protection that data
backup offers.

Regards,
Howard Wong

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <7vlcc5$b1o$[e-mail]>, on 11/02/99
>    at 12:48 AM, Camilla Cracchiolo <[e-mail]> (Camilla
> Cracchiolo, R.N.) said:
>
> Another backup alternitive, is to backup to a removable hard drive using
> xcopy and hpfs file systems in both prtitions. I have restored the OS on
> numerous occasions. The only failure occured went I changed video cards.
> Booting to VGA and reinstalling the video driver will solve this. A
> removable hard drive is only 250 for 13 gigs. Brad Barkley is concerned
> with hard drive reliablility. If the computer case and the hard drive is
> properly cooled, reliability is much less of an issue. I have five HD's in
> computer A, one of which is removable and has its own little fan; and
> three in computer B. I have three case fans in A, in addition to the power
> supply fan. Heat kills.
>
> RJF
>
> >I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.
>
> >I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great tech
> >support, but I suspect that's because their products die so often.  (Long
> >history of failures here).
>
> >I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have experience
> >with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.  Will it support
> >this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?
>
> >Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> >"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open
> >                   that your brain falls out"
>
> >                    Camilla Cracchiolo
> >                     Registered Nurse
> >                  Los Angeles, California
> >                          USA
>
> >[e-mail]         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [e-mail]
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: c.k.christacopoulos.REMOVEME@dun...               03-Nov-99 18:22:26
  To: [e-mail]                              03-Nov-99 21:54:22
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

Message sender: [e-mail]

To: [e-mail]
From: Charles Christacopoulos <[e-mail]>

"Camilla Cracchiolo (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)" wrote:
>
> I have to get a new tape drive.
Check http://www.cristie.com/
I am looking to purchase one of their drives (admittedly a large
autoloader) and they may be willing to bundle their backup software for
os/2.  Well if you ask them nicely they will as they seem to bundle the
Win95 crap with them.

--
Remove REMOVE_ME to reply.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Charles Christacopoulos, Secretary's Office, University of Dundee,
Dundee DD1 4HN, (Scotland) United Kingdom.
Tel: +44+(0)1382-344891. Fax: +44+(0)1382-201604.
http://somis.ais.dundee.ac.uk/    (runs on OS/2)
Scottish Search Maestro http://somis2.ais.dundee.ac.uk/ (runs on OS/2
too)

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From: [e-mail]                           03-Nov-99 11:17:15
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:22
Subj: Re: Nasty characters problem with Netscape 4.61

From: Michael Kaply <[e-mail]>

Most OS/2 stuff is really not designed to run in codepage 863.

If you run your system in 850, you should be OK.

Mike Kaply
IBM

Michel Catudal wrote:

>With the default fonts I get garbage instead of accented characters
>With certain fonts I get the characters correctly except in the header of
letters
>which can't be changed and the buttons as well as in Préférences.
>
>My system is Warp 4.0 US with CF keyboard codepage 863
>this is not the CA keyboard also known as Canadian keyboard but the French
Canadian Keyboard
>
>Web Explorer has the same annoying problem.
>
>--
>Tanné du plantage avec Ti-Mou?
>C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux
>http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat/
>We have software, food, music, news, search,
>history, electronics and genealogy pages.

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From: [e-mail]                         01-Nov-99 20:52:25
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:22
Subj: Re: Warp Server not able to get available memory

From: Hannes Hromadka <[e-mail]>


[e-mail] wrote:

> I suppose I should ask: Has anyone been able to allocate and use
> bufferpools larger than 220 MB (>55,000 pages) under OS/2 Warp?

Good question: The answer is YES.

It was not me, but some people at my job had to write real big programs. Big
means loading a huge module into a simulation environement.

The limit was around 300MByte. In OS/2 2.11 it was about 320 to 350MB they
could aquire. In Warp 3 sometimes the limit was below 200MByte. It depends
of the size of the buffer segments you use to allocate the memory.

Someone told us, that the SMP Kernel of Warp Server has a higher limit.

But further investigation was stopped when the development was moved to Win
NT 8-(

Somewhere in my office I have a small testproram and the results of tests on
OS/2 2.11 and Warp 3 with different fixpak levels. If I find it I can do
tests on Warp 4.5 and post the result.

Some good information about available memory can be found in the
documentation of theseus2. A real good package to monitor and analyze RAM
usage. The programs seems to be IBM only, but it found its way into the
internet. Search hobbes for it or LEO in Germany.


                Greetings from Vienna

                        Hannes




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From: [e-mail]                       03-Nov-99 18:34:07
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:22
Subj: NS 4.61 - crash on Russian character set

From: [e-mail]

I've just been trying to get NS 4.61 to work properly in Russian.
After changing a preference setting, it disappeared off the screen and
off the process list. Trying to restart it brought up the "set a new
profile" page, and then I found that it was still on the pid list. It
couldn't be killed by death, pkill, FM/2 killer, or the WarpCentre
killer (I'll probably have to re-boot to get rid of it). The popuplog
shows this:

11-03-1999  16:50:23  SYS3175  PID 02ac  TID 0001  Slot 0081
E:\NSCOMM\PROGRAM\NETSCAPE.EXE
c0000005
1dfa9d78
P1=00000002  P2=00000004  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=00000000  EBX=01f4e790  ECX=008e0000  EDX=ffffffff
ESI=1df80936  EDI=008e0000
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=1fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=1fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0000  GSACC=****  GSLIM=********
CS:EIP=005b:1dfa9d78  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=1fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:007c5cb0  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=1fffffff
EBP=007c5d48  FLG=00012283

MOZILLA.DLL 0001:00009d78

I'm running UK Warp 4, fp6, S3 Trio 64+ with recent driver,  cp 850,
javascript and java turned off in NS. This is the first crash with NS
since it went GA - no download problems or anything else. Overall this
is an excellent piece of work.

Though it doesn't really want to display Russian properly - I can get
either proportional or fixed fonts to display, but not both. Buttons
and the title bar will display only the Latin-1 set (but then I never
got 2.02 to display the title bar either, though buttons are OK).

Cheers
Lyn

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From: [e-mail]                                  03-Nov-99 16:04:20
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:22
Subj: Re: Need new tape backup

From: [e-mail]

In <7vlcc5$b1o$[e-mail]>, on 11/02/99 at 12:48 AM,
   Camilla Cracchiolo <[e-mail]> (Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N.)
said:


>I have to get a new tape drive.  I've got a HP Traven T-3000.

>I'd like to get away from HP products altogether.  They have great tech
>support, but I suspect that's because their products die so often.  (Long
>history of failures here).

>I'm considering a Seagate SCSI 8 Gig backup.  Anyone here have experience
>with this drive?  Also, I'm currently using Backmaster.  Will it support
>this tape drive or do I have to get BackAgain/2?

>Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.

>Thanks.



>Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the newsgroup.

>Thanks.

At the present time, maybe if there are any left you can buy an AIWA SCSI
tape drive which uses TRAVAN 4 cartridges.  Try computergeeks and
http://www.cc-solutions.com/  also called complete computer solutions.  I
got one of these a year ago and it is great.  I am running it off of a
cheap SCSI card with Nova bak.  These two vendors are also a terrific
source for SCSI and video and NIC cards as well as other stuff.

>-------------------------------------------------------------
>"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open
>                   that your brain falls out"

>                    Camilla Cracchiolo
>                     Registered Nurse
>                  Los Angeles, California
>                          USA

>[e-mail]         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla



--
----------------------------------------------------
------
Monroe Chasson
[e-mail]
-----------------------------------------------------------
MR2ICE reg#51

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From: [e-mail]                               03-Nov-99 15:48:10
  To: All                                               03-Nov-99 21:54:23
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> >If we thought we put the FIXSTART on C: and then went on (0 RC) we'd> oh,
what about ntfs ? is there a separate designation for that ? or
> does it just show up as an installable fs, x7 ? could be where the
> confusion comes from, fdisk can't distinguish between ntfs-installable
> and hpfs-installable ? you are right about the creek, the paddle, and
> the aborted install.
>

That is what I'm working on now, in the process of install NT on a test
machine to see. I'm suspect that it is coming out of the filesystem
running, as FDISK and FDISKPM both report HPFS (wrong) for an NT
partition. DosQFSAttach will give me the answer, and that comes via the
filesystem.

I'm wondering is Win9X using FAT32 would be handled differently as well?

The reason I suspect it will not work is that an unformatted C: traps,
so we might NOT even be looking at the filesystem and trying to open
FIXSTART anyway. So far, we've debugged the unformatted partition, we
know that it is unformatted and not removeable, yet we try to open the
file... Not an easy fix mentally for this one. It is assigned a C: since
it exists, but the problem is if we 'skip' it this time, you stop in the
middle of applying a FP, and then decide to format C:, we'd never be
able to pickup again... as the file with the info was on D:. We've had
problems before with people who have multiple versions of OS/2 on hidden
C:'s... No sane sure fire answer here.

Irv

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From: [e-mail]                                 04-Nov-99 03:20:14
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 03:16:20
Subj: Re: Submitting 4.61 Problems

From: JohnS <[e-mail]>

Thank you Michael.



Michael Kaply wrote:
>
>  4.61 Problems should be submitted using the standard PS submission
> process.
>
> Information is available at:
>
> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/defect_submission/problem.txt
>
> Mike Kaply
> IBM

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From: [e-mail]                    03-Nov-99 19:32:12
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 03:16:20
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: "Graham C. Norris" <[e-mail]>

Irv Spalten wrote:
> That is what I'm working on now, in the process of install NT on a test
> machine to see. I'm suspect that it is coming out of the filesystem
> running, as FDISK and FDISKPM both report HPFS (wrong) for an NT
> partition. DosQFSAttach will give me the answer, and that comes via the
> filesystem.

You know, you don't have to install NT to do this. Partition Magic can
create you an NTFS partition. Of course, that assumes IBM would allow
you to buy a copy of Partition Magic ...

Graham.

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From: [e-mail]                          04-Nov-99 05:01:02
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 03:16:20
Subj: Re: Submitting 4.61 Problems

From: [e-mail]

I used to use this form, but gave up after several years of
submissions which got no response. Has this service been resumed??

In <[e-mail]>, JohnS <[e-mail]> writes:
>Thank you Michael.
>
>
>
>Michael Kaply wrote:
>>
>>  4.61 Problems should be submitted using the standard PS submission
>> process.
>>
>> Information is available at:
>>
>> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/defect_submission/problem.txt
>>
>> Mike Kaply
>> IBM

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From: [e-mail]                         03-Nov-99 17:02:23
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Workplace shell bugs part II

From: "Arjen Meijer" <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:58:32 +0200 (CET), Arjen Meijer wrote:

To follow up my own posting:

I found some bugs not fixed in fixpack 12. Can anybody confirm these?

Draging and dropping of a file attachment from pmmail 2.1 to a folder which
is opened AS A SHADOW will halt the WPS (not responding and no reset
possible). The length of the filename has no influence. (Maybe this is a
error in my *.ini files, but I think it is a real bug.)

*.exe, *.cmd, *.com and *.bat file which are dragged to the workplace  do
create an program object even if the desktop setting is move. In a mixed drag
and drop operation they are moved correctly.

No extra information on bug tree.
Playing sound with mwave drivers with for instance the entertainment pack
for os/2, warpamp and a bunch other software will generate a 100% cpu
utilization one or two seconds after the program is closed. Starting a second
program with sound enabled will hang the WPS.

Any word on mwave drivers that correct this serious problem?

Arjen


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From: [e-mail]                                 04-Nov-99 09:32:13
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 05:57:21
Subj: Sys3175 in NR/2 with TCP/IP 4.21 ?

From: [e-mail]

since upgrading to tcp/ip 4.21 NR/2 traps on closing with :
------------------------------------------------------------

11-04-1999  00:50:40  SYS3175  PID 000e  TID 0001  Slot 003e
D:\TCPIP\BIN\NR2.EXE
c0000005
1f0f8b99
P1=00000001  P2=0093d320  P3=XXXXXXXX  P4=XXXXXXXX
EAX=000d34c8  EBX=000d3cdc  ECX=005f0000  EDX=00000000
ESI=00000000  EDI=00000000
DS=0053  DSACC=d0f3  DSLIM=7fffffff
ES=0053  ESACC=d0f3  ESLIM=7fffffff
FS=150b  FSACC=00f3  FSLIM=00000030
GS=0beb  GSACC=10f3  GSLIM=00003fff
CS:EIP=005b:1f0f8b99  CSACC=d0df  CSLIM=7fffffff
SS:ESP=0053:000d293c  SSACC=d0f3  SSLIM=7fffffff
EBP=000d2964  FLG=00010216

TCPIP32.DLL 0001:00018b99

-----------

I looked in deja a little, but maybe no one else uses nr/2 anymore :-(
It also seems to have a problem remembering which articles were read,
but that could be 'cuz it traps on closing thus can't do a proper cleanup ?

I'd rather not regress tcpip because *finally* DOIP slattaches without
having to do a mode com3 buffer=off, mode com3 buffer=on sequence,
hooray IBM, thanks ! though that coulda been the mpts update instead ?
And why would DOIP fail when Faxworks and the Advantis dialler work
great ? Computers . . . . hey ! IBM, while we're here, since AT&T now is
dumping the ibm.net name, how about cutting loose the advantis dialler
for regular OS/2 use ? Even corporate guys use a modem occasionally . . .

--
härad ængravvåd

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From: [e-mail]                           04-Nov-99 09:47:22
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 10:28:12
Subj: OS/2 Warp 3 Boot Manager

From: "Warren Won" <[e-mail]>

I am new to this newsgroup, so please forgive me if this question has
already been asked a million times.....

I am trying to run FDISK (from my OS/2 Warp 3 installation disks) on a 13Gb
IDE hard disk, so I can run Boot Manager. However, it will not recognise
anything over 8Gb and ends up trashing everything I have on any partitions
at the end of the disk.

I know that there were issues with the 1024 cylinder boundary, but are there
any updates to FDISK that fix this (and if so, where can I get my grubby
paws on them)?

Many thanks,
Warren.


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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Nov-99 02:56:06
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 10:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 Warp 3 Boot Manager

From: Kris Kadela <[e-mail]>

Warren Won wrote:
>
> I am new to this newsgroup, so please forgive me if this question has
> already been asked a million times.....
>
> I am trying to run FDISK (from my OS/2 Warp 3 installation disks) on a 13Gb
> IDE hard disk, so I can run Boot Manager. However, it will not recognise
> anything over 8Gb and ends up trashing everything I have on any partitions
> at the end of the disk.
>
> I know that there were issues with the 1024 cylinder boundary, but are there
> any updates to FDISK that fix this (and if so, where can I get my grubby
> paws on them)?
>
> Many thanks,
> Warren.

What you need is an updated IDE driver as the issue is not with fdisk.
Can't remember which fixpack has the updated one. Anyone?

--

**********************
DigiGraph Technical
http://www.dgraph.com
**********************

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From: [e-mail]                04-Nov-99 05:37:20
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 10:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 Warp 3 Boot Manager

From: "Mike Ruskai" <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:47:45 -0000, Warren Won wrote:

>I am new to this newsgroup, so please forgive me if this question has
>already been asked a million times.....
>
>I am trying to run FDISK (from my OS/2 Warp 3 installation disks) on a 13Gb
>IDE hard disk, so I can run Boot Manager. However, it will not recognise
>anything over 8Gb and ends up trashing everything I have on any partitions
>at the end of the disk.
>
>I know that there were issues with the 1024 cylinder boundary, but are there
>any updates to FDISK that fix this (and if so, where can I get my grubby
>paws on them)?

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/ps/products/os2/os2ddpak/idedasd.exe



 - Mike

Remove 'spambegone' to send e-mail.


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From: [e-mail]                                       04-Nov-99 13:36:09
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 10:28:12
Subj: Re: OS/2 Warp 3 Boot Manager

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From: muses9zcyberuszca                                 04-Nov-99 13:02:27
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 10:28:12
Subj: Re: Has anyone ever got AWE64 to work with OS/2?

From: muses9zcyberuszca (Marko)

Yes. I found the files and instructions on LEO.


-> I have a plug and pray AWE64 card. It works great with Linux, Winblows NT
and Winblows 98
-> but with OS/2 I get stupid messages. If I remove the /P in the command I
get


-> C'est l'temps d'essayer Linux

Je l'ai essaye, et je te dis que Linux est encore loin d'egaler OS/2.

--
Marko
Ottawa
To reply, replace the final character of the English alphabet (two
instances) with @ and .

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Nov-99 07:33:23
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 14:41:01
Subj: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.

I suspect there may be a problem with the updating of OS2SYS.INI, but I
can't put my finger on it.  I have tried test by doing some benign
updates to OS2SYS.INI with UniMaint, but I have never been able to get
an update to stick.
--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Nov-99 15:36:01
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 14:41:01
Subj: Re: no audio from cdplayer

From: [e-mail] (David T. Anderson)

On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:59:44, [e-mail] wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I just discovered that my music cd-player isn't working in Warp, FP10. It
> works when booted to Win95 when I can't get a sound out of it when booted
> to OS/2. I do have system sounds and can play wav's, midi's, etc.
>
> Just need a fast tip where to look for trouble-shooting. Couldn't find
> anything on deja.com.

I tried reinstalling my audio drivers, but no dice....so I uninstalled
and reinstalled Multimedia entirely, and that worked out fine.   The
selective reinstall process didn't kill my custom soundschemes, or my
WarpTV drivers, so it was a fairly painless procedure.

I haven't reinstalled FP12, or the Netscape Plugin Pak, which are the
only other MM-affecting additions I can think of having made over the
last little while that may have affected the CD player.  I'll be
watching to see if either one make a difference....

David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta

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From: [e-mail]                           04-Nov-99 15:29:03
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 14:41:01
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 - crash on Russian character set

From: [e-mail] (Ivan Adzhubei)

On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:34:15, [e-mail] wrote:

Lyn,

> I've just been trying to get NS 4.61 to work properly in Russian.
> After changing a preference setting, it disappeared off the screen and

What preference setting? You don't need to change anything to browse
Russian language sites. Properly setup servers will automatically send
correct encoding to Netscape, switching it to Russian codepage. You
may also select View->Character Set->Cyrillic (Windows-1251) or
Cyrillic (KOI8-R) manually in a few cases when automatic codepage
configuration does not work. You can also play with Font settings
under Preferences to find fonts with Russian characters on your
system. By default, all standard Warp 4 fonts has Cyrillic characters,
but many videodrivers install their own version of resource files,
overriding system defaults. Often, these versions does not contain
anything apart from Latin-1 charset. This is a known problem with S3
OS/2 drivers for instance.

Also, entering Russian characters (in Messenger or Composer) is
another story. You won't be able to do it unless you install full
Russian language OS/2 support. This is easy with English-US versions
of Warp, but not possible with any other NLS version. The problem is
that OS/2 only supports two codepages by default (and switching
between two languages). One of these languages should be English-US
(CP850 or CP 437, latter now obsolete), it is hardwired in the system.
If you are using any other CP in addition to CP850 (437), you can't
add third one (e.g., Russian CP866). Check your CONFIG.SYS. Mine has
the following:

CODEPAGE=866,850
DEVINFO=KBD,RU443,C:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP
COUNTRY=007,C:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS

This is for Warp 4 English-US, but with Russia selected as a primary
codepage and country. Gives me full ability to read/type in Russian
and also retain full English support and system messages. You can also
try selecting Russain codepage as a secondary one, should work almost
the same. This is done in Selective Install. It will also copy a few
additional files from Warp CD, to enable kewboard layout switching
between two languages (Alt-LeftShift/Alt-RightShift).

> I'm running UK Warp 4, fp6, S3 Trio 64+ with recent driver,  cp 850,
> javascript and java turned off in NS. This is the first crash with NS
> since it went GA - no download problems or anything else. Overall this
> is an excellent piece of work.

What 's exactly your CODEPAGE statement looks like?

> Though it doesn't really want to display Russian properly - I can get
> either proportional or fixed fonts to display, but not both. Buttons
> and the title bar will display only the Latin-1 set (but then I never
> got 2.02 to display the title bar either, though buttons are OK).

NC4.61 has much improved Cyrillics support, I'd say - almost perfect.
It can display Russian text properly in form fields, buttons,
titlebar, almost everywhere. Its should work, but only if the rest of
your system is set up properly.

Cheers,
Ivan Adzhubei

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From: [e-mail]                                04-Nov-99 09:55:17
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 14:41:01
Subj: What the #@! happened here?????

From: [e-mail]

I just had a disaster and haven't a clue what caused it.  I'd like to at least
learn something here.  If anybody has a clue, please tell me.

Late yesterday I cleaned a few files out of my ZIP archive.  I also moved some
into my "paid for" archive - both using one file management program.  A little
later I discovered that the moved files were not readable by UNZIP and the ZIP
test said they had no directories.

A little later when I was through cleaning house I backed up my INI files and
ran CHECKINI.  The INI files are on a different partition and different
physical
drive.  Later I discovered the new INI files were identical in size to the old
ones - even after deleting some working but unused programs.

I decided to reboot.  When it came up again I had no WarpCenter.  So I decided
to do a system archive restore from two days ago.  I keep my system archives
on
yet another partition.  It got to the point of saying "Restoring Key files"
and
just sat there for 20 minutes.

Next I powered off directly, forcing a CHKDSK on all partitions on reboot -
without archive restore.  Still no WarpCenter - no surprise.

I decided to see if I could get online.  I drug Injoy, MR2ICE and Netscape
onto
the WarpCenter.  I got online with both email and browser.  But I noticed that
the Injoy icon I had changed slightly had gone back to original.

I rebooted and went for the archive #2.  Again it sits there staring at me.  I
booted again without restore.  Same story as before - no WarpCenter, but my
desktop looks like something I've never seen before.

I tried booting to my last partition (J), a maintenance partition set up by
bootos2.  It fired up, but Solitaire, from my OS/2 boot drive and put there
for
experimental putposes, didn't work.

Once again I tried a system archive restore.  Still it sits there staring at
me,
with the hard drive making sounds like its in a loop - the same little
brip-brip
over and over.  Finally I walked away, leaving the computer running, and went
to
bed.  This morning the system is running placidly - with no WarpCenter, but
the
desktop looks normal.  OS2.INI is somewhat larger than it was.  Solitaire from
the OS/2 boot partition works fine.

I'm at a loss.  What could effect so many different things in at least four
different partitions and two different drives like that?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     04-Nov-99 18:48:19
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:21
Subj: Re: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:33:47, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
> FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
> object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
> only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.
>
> I suspect there may be a problem with the updating of OS2SYS.INI, but I
> can't put my finger on it.  I have tried test by doing some benign
> updates to OS2SYS.INI with UniMaint, but I have never been able to get
> an update to stick.
> --
> Chuck McKinnis
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> IBM Business Partner
> IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

Three suggestions:
1) After you open the spooler object (minimized), get the Task List
(Ctrl-Esc, or two button muse click), and click on it there. It should
open it as a normal window (I said "should", if there is some problem,
it may not).

2) As soon as posible (within seconds), after you do the UNIMAINT
thing, shut down, and reboot. If you don't, it is possible that the
system will rewrite the old data to the INI file. (It is still
possible that this will happen before you get shut down, so try it
again, if the changes still don't stick).

3) Get henk Kelder's CHECKINI program, and use it. It does a WPS
restart when it has finished "fixing" the INI files. CHECKINI is part
of the WPTOOL package, and can be found at:
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html

Hope this helps...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: [e-mail]                                    04-Nov-99 19:05:20
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:22
Subj: Re: What the #@! happened here?????

From: Bill "Wild Willy" Kredentser <[e-mail]>

In article <3821a741$1$yvsrqngn$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:
> I just had a disaster and haven't a clue what
caused it.  I'd like to at least
> learn something here.  If anybody has a clue,
please tell me.
        <<<snip>>>
> Once again I tried a system archive restore.  Still
it sits there staring at me,
> with the hard drive making sounds like its in a
loop - the same little brip-brip
> over and over.
        <<<snip>>>

It's been 2 or 3 years since the Desktop Archive
destroyed my system so I haven't done one in a very
long time.  But this brip-brip sound does seem
familiar to me.  So here's a wild-ass guess.  When
you are restoring a Desktop Archive, make sure the
CONFIG.SYS in effect when you shut down, which is the
one you'll get when you boot up & try to restore that
Desktop Archive, has UNDELETE turned off (REM out
DELDIR).  It's probably also not a bad idea to
disable UNDELETE when you take the Desktop Archive as
well.

But isn't the CONFIG.SYS the one from the Desktop
Archive?  Not right away.  When you first boot up,
the system is using the CONFIG.SYS in the root
directory of your boot partition.  At a certain point
in the Desktop Archive recovery process, CONFIG.SYS
is copied out of the Desktop Archive to the root
directory, replacing the active one.  But until that
point, you're running with the CONFIG.SYS in effect
the last time you did a clean shutdown.  And because
of this timing, even after you recover a Desktop
Archive & get to the Desktop, the CONFIG.SYS in
effect is still not the one from the Desktop Archive
which is indeed now in the root of your boot drive.
So you need to shut down & reboot one more time to
REALLY get your restored CONFIG.SYS.

I have always objected to the whole architecture of
how the Desktop Archives are created & restored so I
quit using them.  Especially, like I say, after
taking one -- not retoring one, taking one -- hosed
my system.  That was under WARP Connect at about
FP17, as I recall, so when was that?  3 years ago?  I
forget.  Anyway, it was enough to put me off the damn
things forever.  If you're really interested, I did
post my analysis & suggestions in this news group at
the time.  I'm sure the old archives at Deja News
would still have it.

WW
Team OS/2 Cincinnati & PROUD OF IT!


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [e-mail]               04-Nov-99 19:38:20
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:22
Subj: Re: winos2 fullscreen - no mouse pointer

From: [e-mail] (Paul Saletan)

Just a guess, but check that you have the following line in the [boot]
section of your Windows SYSTEM.INI file:

     os2mouse.drv=mouse.drv

I noticed this line was missing at some point after I reinstalled
Win-OS2 support in Warp 3.


[e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, "Hans Andrie?en" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>andy schrieb:
>>
>>> > winos2 seamless works fine on my system, but
>>> > when I try to bring it up fullscreen, there is no
>>> > mousepointer.
>>> >
>>> > Anyone know how to bring the pointer back?
>>
>>> Look into your config.sys if this driver is mentioned.
>>>
>>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
>>>
>>>  Identifies and loads the mouse driver to let you use a mouse
>>>  with DOS. Mouse support for OS/2 is loaded below.
>
>This devices driver statement is there. The mouse works fine
>seamlessly, just not in full screen.
>
>>
>>Also the same could be happend if the graphics-driver
>>in external Windows is different state/version, or the
>>resolution is different whitch is used in OS/2
>>
>
>Don't know how to check this. My external windows is win95
>not 3.1. Resolution in win95 is the same. How do I check the state/version?
>
>
>Keith Cotroneo
>[e-mail]


// Paul Saletan  ** Please remove NOJUNKMAIL from address when replying

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From: [e-mail]                               04-Nov-99 14:03:15
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 16:45:22
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: Irv Spalten <[e-mail]>

We have NT and PM, not a problem.

Discovered that the C: drive requirement of it being readable is NO
LONGER a problem. Prior fix we beleive for WSeB (that can have a C: CD
drive) fixes this. The C: from NT comes back as UNKNOWN, and therefore
we do not look at it. We then use the first 'real' drive letter we find
for the CSF_SEL and FIXSTART file.

The ONLY problem I can forsee is someone who boots NT/98 as C: with
another OS/2 as a hidden drive. If they were to install a FP to another
partition and/or use the OS/2 hidden C: for ARCHIVE/BACKUP, depending
which C: is visible at the time, could get an error. In addition, with
the NT/W98 active and applying a fp to another drive, interrrupt it, and
then re-boot using the OS/2 C:, the next application of a FP might not
know there was an interrupted on. This could cause problems.

We'll be removing the READ.ME entry about a small C: being needed.

Irv

"Graham C. Norris" wrote:
>
> Irv Spalten wrote:
> > That is what I'm working on now, in the process of install NT on a test
> > machine to see. I'm suspect that it is coming out of the filesystem
> > running, as FDISK and FDISKPM both report HPFS (wrong) for an NT
> > partition. DosQFSAttach will give me the answer, and that comes via the
> > filesystem.
>
> You know, you don't have to install NT to do this. Partition Magic can
> create you an NTFS partition. Of course, that assumes IBM would allow
> you to buy a copy of Partition Magic ...
>
> Graham.

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From: [e-mail]                            04-Nov-99 14:58:21
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 19:52:02
Subj: Re: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Well aware of all you have suggested.  Have all of the tools (probably
more than I need).  Finally restored a copy of the Spooler object from
an old Object Desktop backup and all seems well.  Thanks for the check
list.

Doug Bissett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:33:47, Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> > I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
> > FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
> > object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
> > only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.
> >
> > I suspect there may be a problem with the updating of OS2SYS.INI, but I
> > can't put my finger on it.  I have tried test by doing some benign
> > updates to OS2SYS.INI with UniMaint, but I have never been able to get
> > an update to stick.
> > --
> > Chuck McKinnis
> > Senior Systems Engineer
> > Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> > IBM Business Partner
> > IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)
>
> Three suggestions:
> 1) After you open the spooler object (minimized), get the Task List
> (Ctrl-Esc, or two button muse click), and click on it there. It should
> open it as a normal window (I said "should", if there is some problem,
> it may not).
>
> 2) As soon as posible (within seconds), after you do the UNIMAINT
> thing, shut down, and reboot. If you don't, it is possible that the
> system will rewrite the old data to the INI file. (It is still
> possible that this will happen before you get shut down, so try it
> again, if the changes still don't stick).
>
> 3) Get henk Kelder's CHECKINI program, and use it. It does a WPS
> restart when it has finished "fixing" the INI files. CHECKINI is part
> of the WPTOOL package, and can be found at:
> http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
>
> Hope this helps...
> ******************************
> From the PC of Doug Bissett
> doug.bissett at attglobal.net
> The " at " must be changed to "@"
> ******************************

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                               04-Nov-99 17:16:03
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 19:52:02
Subj: Re: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: "/2 User" <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:33:47 -0700, Chuck McKinnis wrote:

>I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
>FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
>object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
>only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.

Seems like FP12 is another loser.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I tend to stay away from the Advocacy groups to avoid the WindTrolls"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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From: [e-mail]                                  04-Nov-99 22:24:05
  To: All                                               04-Nov-99 19:52:02
Subj: GRADD and HP Laserjet

From: [e-mail] (Damiano Rullo)

My gradd drivers for S3 385 (Virge) cause serious problems when tryng
to print with HP LJ 1100.
I solved the problems by restoring original S3 drivers, but I get
corrupted some bitmaps in Staroffice 5 (that I didn't get with GRADD).
Does someone know why?

Damiano

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From: [e-mail]                                   04-Nov-99 23:58:17
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:22
Subj: Re: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: Meinolf Sondermann <[e-mail]>

Hello Chuck,

there's a chance, that the object isn't opened minimized but displayed
at a desktop region outside the visible screen instead.
To correct this, bring up the tasklist, RMB the started but invisible
app and select either "Tile" or "Cascade". This will redraw the selected
app(s) to the visible screen.

Bye/2
Meinolf

Chuck McKinnis wrote:
>
> I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
> FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
> object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
> only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.
>
> I suspect there may be a problem with the updating of OS2SYS.INI, but I
> can't put my finger on it.  I have tried test by doing some benign
> updates to OS2SYS.INI with UniMaint, but I have never been able to get
> an update to stick.
> --
> Chuck McKinnis
> Senior Systems Engineer
> Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> IBM Business Partner
> IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)


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From: [e-mail]                              05-Nov-99 02:37:05
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:22
Subj: Re: winos2 fullscreen - no mouse pointer

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Paul Saletan) writes:
>Just a guess, but check that you have the following line in the [boot]
>section of your Windows SYSTEM.INI file:
>
>     os2mouse.drv=mouse.drv
>
>I noticed this line was missing at some point after I reinstalled
>Win-OS2 support in Warp 3.
>

Thanks. I inserted that line. Still no mouse pointer.

Keith


>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>In <[e-mail]>, "Hans Andrie?en"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>>>andy schrieb:
>>>
>>>> > winos2 seamless works fine on my system, but
>>>> > when I try to bring it up fullscreen, there is no
>>>> > mousepointer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Anyone know how to bring the pointer back?
>>>
>>>> Look into your config.sys if this driver is mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
>>>>
>>>>  Identifies and loads the mouse driver to let you use a mouse
>>>>  with DOS. Mouse support for OS/2 is loaded below.
>>
>>This devices driver statement is there. The mouse works fine
>>seamlessly, just not in full screen.
>>
>>>
>>>Also the same could be happend if the graphics-driver
>>>in external Windows is different state/version, or the
>>>resolution is different whitch is used in OS/2
>>>
>>
>>Don't know how to check this. My external windows is win95
>>not 3.1. Resolution in win95 is the same. How do I check the state/version?
>>
>>
>>Keith Cotroneo
>>[e-mail]
>
>
>// Paul Saletan  ** Please remove NOJUNKMAIL from address when replying


Keith Cotroneo
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                               04-Nov-99 21:09:04
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:22
Subj: Re: Nasty characters problem with Netscape 4.61

From: Michel Catudal <[e-mail]>

Michael Kaply wrote:
>
> Most OS/2 stuff is really not designed to run in codepage 863.
>

This is ridiculous, I've never had problem with codepage 863 on OS/2 until
I switched to Warp 4.0.

> If you run your system in 850, you should be OK.
>

How to do that and still keep the CF keyboard layout? OS/2 keyboard support
has no other
option for the CF keyboard. The Canadian (CA) keyboard is a different keyboard
layout.


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From: [e-mail]                                 05-Nov-99 05:42:15
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:23
Subj: Re: Backing out FP12

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, Irv Spalten <[e-mail]> writes:

>We have NT and PM, not a problem.
>
>Discovered that the C: drive requirement of it being readable is NO
>LONGER a problem. Prior fix we believe for WSeB (that can have a C: CD
>drive) fixes this. The C: from NT comes back as UNKNOWN, and therefore
>we do not look at it. We then use the first 'real' drive letter we find
>for the CSF_SEL and FIXSTART file.
>
>We'll be removing the READ.ME entry about a small C: being needed.
>
>Irv
>

ha ! it DID work ! just takes an idiot who ignores instructions to discover .
.
we appreciate the work you do in documentation - it's a thankless task,
but I've noticed the readme's have been getting more accurate - so, thank
you ! ( now if you could just convince the guys who make the fixes to
write them down, your job could be easier also !)

current situation is that the first partition that os/2 can write to will get
the csf_sel and fixstart files ? wonder if you could set that to a user-
chosen drive so that unforeseen occurrences didn't ? Now that so many
have multiple partitions and multiple os'es . . .

--
härad ængravvåd

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From: [e-mail]                     05-Nov-99 06:07:20
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 03:42:23
Subj: Re: Nasty characters problem with Netscape 4.61

From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <[e-mail]>

Michel Catudal wrote:

> > If you run your system in 850, you should be OK.
> >
>
> How to do that and still keep the CF keyboard layout?

> OS/2 keyboard support has no other option for the CF keyboard.
> The Canadian (CA) keyboard is a different keyboard layout.

Codepage and Keyboard Layout are two different things.
You should still be able to use the CF keyboard with the
850 codepage.

Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation


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From: [e-mail]                           05-Nov-99 09:27:05
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 05:13:04
Subj: Re: Kernel File is Missing

From: andy <[e-mail]>


"Michael D. Madden" schrieb:

> 486/DX4 - 100mhz
> 64 megs RAM
> 3 harddrives - 4.3 gig/2.3 gig/204 megs
>
> Been trying to install OS/2 3.0 all day and I constantly get this upon
> booting to complete the installation.
>
> "A kernel file is missing from the disk. Insert a system disk and
> restart the system."
>
> I have replaced the three files in Disk 1 so the big harrdrives are
> recognized. That part works. Can't seem to install this system however.

Read the readme, supplied by the Ide drivers, perhaps you haven't done
anything that is necessary.

>
>
> I even tried to install to the small 204 meg drive and that did not work
> either.
>
> I am trying to install from the CD-ROM version of OS/2.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has experienced this problem and who can
> shed some light on this problem??
>
> Thanks

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From: [e-mail]                                    05-Nov-99 04:15:23
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 10:29:18
Subj: Re: no audio from cdplayer

From: [e-mail]

In <yQbYdTtdfC2H-pn2-sLd55HGCxXGJ@localhost>, on 11/04/99
   at 03:36 PM, [e-mail] (David T. Anderson) said:

>> Just need a fast tip where to look for trouble-shooting. Couldn't find
>> anything on deja.com.

>I tried reinstalling my audio drivers, but no dice....so I uninstalled
>and reinstalled Multimedia entirely, and that worked out fine.   The
>selective reinstall process didn't kill my custom soundschemes, or my
>WarpTV drivers, so it was a fairly painless procedure.

>I haven't reinstalled FP12, or the Netscape Plugin Pak, which are the
>only other MM-affecting additions I can think of having made over the
>last little while that may have affected the CD player.  I'll be
>watching to see if either one make a difference....

Reinstalling the soundcard drivers had worked for me. I was happy since I
dislike futzing with the very delicate mm system.

F.

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      Felmon John Davis
     [e-mail]    |  [e-mail]
     Union College /  Schenectady, NY
     - insert standard doxastic disclaimers -
     OS/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: [e-mail]                             05-Nov-99 19:35:21
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 10:29:18
Subj: How to use more than 64MB under OS/2?

From: "Ñj¿╞│╛ñΓ" <[e-mail]>

I wanted to use 256MB memory under OS/2,
the system reported 256MB during boot up,
but only 64MB was report under the OS/2 system.
What should I set to make in my OS/2 system so
that it might report 256MB of system memory?

Thanks for your help!

Kin


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From: [e-mail]                                05-Nov-99 11:15:07
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 14:49:07
Subj: Bucket full of errors all at once

From: [e-mail]

I just had a disaster and haven't a clue what caused it.  I'd like to at least
learn something here.  If anybody has a clue, please tell me.

Late yesterday I cleaned a few files out of my ZIP archive.  I also moved some
into my "paid for" archive - both using one file management program.  A little
later I discovered that the moved files were not readable by UNZIP and the ZIP
test said they had no directories.

A little later when I was through cleaning house I backed up my INI files and
ran CHECKINI.  The INI files are on a different partition and different
physical
drive.  Later I discovered the new INI files were identical in size to the old
ones - even after deleting some working but unused programs.

I decided to reboot.  When it came up again I had no WarpCenter.  So I decided
to do a system archive restore from two days ago.  I keep my system archives
on
yet another partition.  It got to the point of saying "Restoring Key files"
and
just sat there for 20 minutes.

Next I powered off directly, forcing a CHKDSK on all partitions on reboot -
without archive restore.  Still no WarpCenter - no surprise.

I decided to see if I could get online.  I drug Injoy, MR2ICE and Netscape
onto
the WarpCenter.  I got online with both email and browser.  But I noticed that
the Injoy icon I had changed slightly had gone back to original.

I rebooted and went for the archive #2.  Again it sits there staring at me.  I
booted again without restore.  Same story as before - no WarpCenter, but my
desktop looks like something I've never seen before.

I tried booting to my last partition (J), a maintenance partition set up by
bootos2.  It fired up, but Solitaire, from my OS/2 boot drive and put there
for
experimental putposes, didn't work.

Once again I tried a system archive restore.  Still it sits there staring at
me,
with the hard drive making sounds like its in a loop - the same little
brip-brip
over and over.  Finally I walked away, leaving the computer running, and went
to
bed.  This morning the system is running placidly - with no WarpCenter, but
the
desktop looks normal.  OS2.INI is somewhat larger than it was.  Solitaire from
the OS/2 boot partition works fine.

I'm at a loss.  What could effect so many different things in at least four
different partitions and two different drives like that?

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: [e-mail]                             05-Nov-99 08:52:06
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 14:49:07
Subj: Re: Bucket full of errors all at once

From: "David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]>


[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I just had a disaster and haven't a clue what caused it.  I'd like to at
least
> learn something here.  If anybody has a clue, please tell me.
>
> Late yesterday I cleaned a few files out of my ZIP archive.  I also moved
some
> into my "paid for" archive - both using one file management program.  A
little
> later I discovered that the moved files were not readable by UNZIP and the
ZIP
> test said they had no directories.
>
> A little later when I was through cleaning house I backed up my INI files
and
> ran CHECKINI.  The INI files are on a different partition and different
physical
> drive.  Later I discovered the new INI files were identical in size to the
old
> ones - even after deleting some working but unused programs.
>
> I decided to reboot.  When it came up again I had no WarpCenter.  So I
decided
> to do a system archive restore from two days ago.  I keep my system archives
on
> yet another partition.  It got to the point of saying "Restoring Key files"
and
> just sat there for 20 minutes.
>
> Next I powered off directly, forcing a CHKDSK on all partitions on reboot -
> without archive restore.  Still no WarpCenter - no surprise.
>
> I decided to see if I could get online.  I drug Injoy, MR2ICE and Netscape
onto
> the WarpCenter.  I got online with both email and browser.  But I noticed
that
> the Injoy icon I had changed slightly had gone back to original.
>
> I rebooted and went for the archive #2.  Again it sits there staring at me.
I
> booted again without restore.  Same story as before - no WarpCenter, but my
> desktop looks like something I've never seen before.
>
> I tried booting to my last partition (J), a maintenance partition set up by
> bootos2.  It fired up, but Solitaire, from my OS/2 boot drive and put there
for
> experimental putposes, didn't work.
>
> Once again I tried a system archive restore.  Still it sits there staring at
me,
> with the hard drive making sounds like its in a loop - the same little
brip-brip
> over and over.  Finally I walked away, leaving the computer running, and
went to
> bed.  This morning the system is running placidly - with no WarpCenter, but
the
> desktop looks normal.  OS2.INI is somewhat larger than it was.  Solitaire
from
> the OS/2 boot partition works fine.
>
> I'm at a loss.  What could effect so many different things in at least four
> different partitions and two different drives like that?
>
> Jim L
> Remove XX from address to Email
> Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


Sounds pretty weird.  Have you ruled out a hardware problem with your
disk controller?

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Nov-99 14:22:00
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 16:48:26
Subj: Re: Bucket full of errors all at once

From: [e-mail]

"David T. Johnson" <[e-mail]> said:

>Sounds pretty weird.  Have you ruled out a hardware problem with your disk
>controller?

No.  But it seems to be going OK now.  I say "*seems*".  It is really weird.

Jim L
Remove XX from address to Email
Crooks and kooks will get guns regardless of laws.


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From: [e-mail]                            05-Nov-99 17:02:06
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 21:23:14
Subj: Re: Strange object behavior with FP12

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

This is not the case.  Tile, Cascade, and Retieve windows (OD 2.0) do
not produce a visible object.

Meinolf Sondermann wrote:
>
> Hello Chuck,
>
> there's a chance, that the object isn't opened minimized but displayed
> at a desktop region outside the visible screen instead.
> To correct this, bring up the tasklist, RMB the started but invisible
> app and select either "Tile" or "Cascade". This will redraw the selected
> app(s) to the visible screen.
>
> Bye/2
> Meinolf
>
> Chuck McKinnis wrote:
> >
> > I have started getting some rather strange object open behavior with
> > FP12.  It seems to be intermittent.  When I try to open the Spooler
> > object in System Setup, it opens minimized no matter what I do.  The
> > only thing I can to with the minimized object is close it.
> >
> > I suspect there may be a problem with the updating of OS2SYS.INI, but I
> > can't put my finger on it.  I have tried test by doing some benign
> > updates to OS2SYS.INI with UniMaint, but I have never been able to get
> > an update to stick.
> > --
> > Chuck McKinnis
> > Senior Systems Engineer
> > Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
> > IBM Business Partner
> > IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                            05-Nov-99 17:03:28
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 21:23:14
Subj: Re: How to use more than 64MB under OS/2?

From: Chuck McKinnis <[e-mail]>

Where are you getting your information?  When I use Theseus/3, it shows
all 128Mb of memory.

"╛j"Æ   â" wrote:
>
> I wanted to use 256MB memory under OS/2,
> the system reported 256MB during boot up,
> but only 64MB was report under the OS/2 system.
> What should I set to make in my OS/2 system so
> that it might report 256MB of system memory?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Kin

--
Chuck McKinnis
Senior Systems Engineer
Denver Solutions Group, Inc.
IBM Business Partner
IBM Senior Systems Engineer (retired)

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From: [e-mail]                       06-Nov-99 01:10:21
  To: All                                               05-Nov-99 21:23:14
Subj: Re: NS 4.61 - crash on Russian character set

From: [e-mail]

On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:29:06, [e-mail] (Ivan Adzhubei)
wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:34:15, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Lyn,
>
> > I've just been trying to get NS 4.61 to work properly in Russian.
> > After changing a preference setting, it disappeared off the screen and
>
> What preference setting? You don't need to change anything to browse
> Russian language sites. Properly setup servers will automatically send
> correct encoding to Netscape, switching it to Russian codepage. You
> may also select View->Character Set->Cyrillic (Windows-1251) or
> Cyrillic (KOI8-R) manually in a few cases when automatic codepage
> configuration does not work. You can also play with Font settings
> under Preferences to find fonts with Russian characters on your
> system. By default, all standard Warp 4 fonts has Cyrillic characters,
> but many videodrivers install their own version of resource files,
> overriding system defaults. Often, these versions does not contain
> anything apart from Latin-1 charset. This is a known problem with S3
> OS/2 drivers for instance.

Hi Ivan

Just discovered that these pages (from Minivend) had <font
face=verdana,arial,helvetica> in several places, including the
buttons. Removing verdana brought Russian back there, and it works
with both proportional and fixed fonts with 'helv' and 'system mono'
in NS. The title bar won't show cyrillic though - except by dropping a
font on it, which should not be necessary. As all these pages are
dynamically generated (and are identical for different languages),
it's not practical to include a character set statement in the html,
so NS has to be told to use 'Cyrillic' in the 'view'-> settings.


> Also, entering Russian characters (in Messenger or Composer) is
> another story. You won't be able to do it unless you install full
> Russian language OS/2 support. This is easy with English-US versions
> of Warp, but not possible with any other NLS version. The problem is
> that OS/2 only supports two codepages by default (and switching
> between two languages). One of these languages should be English-US
> (CP850 or CP 437, latter now obsolete), it is hardwired in the system.
> If you are using any other CP in addition to CP850 (437), you can't
> add third one (e.g., Russian CP866). Check your CONFIG.SYS. Mine has
> the following:
>
> CODEPAGE=866,850
> DEVINFO=KBD,RU443,C:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP
> COUNTRY=007,C:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS
>
> This is for Warp 4 English-US, but with Russia selected as a primary
> codepage and country. Gives me full ability to read/type in Russian
> and also retain full English support and system messages. You can also
> try selecting Russain codepage as a secondary one, should work almost
> the same. This is done in Selective Install. It will also copy a few
> additional files from Warp CD, to enable kewboard layout switching
> between two languages (Alt-LeftShift/Alt-RightShift).

Hmmm. I'm using 'codepage=850,1004', 'country=044',
'devinfo=kbd,us...' It is a US keyboard on a UK system. I don't use
anything out of NS except the browser - PMMail, ProNews, and MrEd for
writing html. What I've found with PMMail, is that I have to start it
in cp1004 and then (as well as plain English) it will handle European
accented characters and Cyrillic correctly. It uses the Latin-1 char
set, but encoding is 8-bit. In fact it's my wife who uses this (she's
the Russian one, I'm from New Zealand) and she just uses a koi-8 font,
has Chump (the keyboard switcher) set to koi-8, and people seem to
have no problem reading her emails. To read mail from others, she just
drops either a koi8 or cp1251 font on the message, depending who sent
it. French or German characters are fine with the default helv font.

ProNews has individual settings pages for each ng, so it can be set to
proper Russian settings for one ng and Latin-1 settings for other
ng's. It runs in cp850, and shows Cyrillic fine like this.

MrEd can switch at any time between the default cp (whatever your
system has) and a cp 1004 setting. This is very useful for writing
Cyrillic, just by setting Chump to translate to that keyboard (you
switch keyboards by hitting both 'shifts' together), and using a cp
1251 font. You can also set it to koi8 and use a koi8 font.

So far all of this has been quite satisfactory for English, Russian,
and other accented languages.
>
> > I'm running UK Warp 4, fp6, S3 Trio 64+ with recent driver,  cp 850,
> > javascript and java turned off in NS. This is the first crash with NS
> > since it went GA - no download problems or anything else. Overall this
> > is an excellent piece of work.
>
> What 's exactly your CODEPAGE statement looks like?
>
> > Though it doesn't really want to display Russian properly - I can get
> > either proportional or fixed fonts to display, but not both. Buttons
> > and the title bar will display only the Latin-1 set (but then I never
> > got 2.02 to display the title bar either, though buttons are OK).
>
> NC4.61 has much improved Cyrillics support, I'd say - almost perfect.
> It can display Russian text properly in form fields, buttons,
> titlebar, almost everywhere. Its should work, but only if the rest of
> your system is set up properly.

This is true - maybe it wasn't running properly at the time (one of
several other things may well have interacted negatively with it),
which could be why it crashed. Right now it shows buttons, fixed and
proportional fonts properly, and the titlebar with eg Arial Cyr
dropped on it. It won't show form field input correctly with koi8,
cp1251, or cp866 fonts, but that's doubtless because Chump's menu is
now disabled, as I've just found, and I can't change the keyboard
layout. Installed DragText a couple of days ago, and that's most
likely the culprit. As NS is running on cp850 then it needs a cp850
keyboard layout to show Russian correctly. In fact, I've just
re-started NS on cp 1004 (Chump's default layout), and found that
dropping a cp 1251 font into a form field shows correctly
(cp1251=cp1004) so therefore form fields are OK.

Yes, NS 4.61 is much improved. And many thanks for your detailed
response.

> Cheers,
> Ivan Adzhubei
>

Cheers
Lyn

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