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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 13:56:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK
Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:56:30 GMT
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In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>,
Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
>desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
>the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
>sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
>switches back to the session.
>
>So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
>screen whenever I switch sessions?
>
You can't.  Each session has its own screen.  But all the sessions share
the same rollback buffer, so if you want to view a screen from (say)
session 1 while in session 2, you can clear the screen in session 1
before switching to session 2, and then when in session 2 you can push
Page Up to view the cleared session 1 screen.  Clear?  :-)

>and 2) how can I have kermit not
>send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
>whenever I switch a session?
>
You should not be using Xon/Xoff flow control on a TCP/IP connection.
TCP and IP provide their own flow control, which is far more effective
than Xon/Xoff.  Just tell Kermit to SET FLOW NONE.

In fact, if you use the TELNET macro that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit,
it sets everything up for you this way.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News
Date: 8 Feb 1995 14:08:07 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Leibovitch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3h5mpp$[e-mail]>,
>>> Addresses in Canada should end with:
>>>   City XX  lnl nln
>>>   CANADA
>>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
>>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
>>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.
>Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l'  alpha only.
>
Hence the ":-)"

>>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
>>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
>>classification name as part of the abbreviation.
>
Canberra, ACT (Australian Capitol Territory) is another.

>Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll
>deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it.
>
Thanks.  I'll await official word on the political correctness of Canadian
postal addresses.

In fact, I'm kind of a postal address trivia collector, so any other hints
about postal addresses in any country are most welcome, especially in the
next few weeks, as the Kermit News mailing is being assembled.  (Don't
bother to tell me about the new German postal codes -- that's already
taken care of.)

In particular, many European (and perhaps other) countries have a country
prefix on their postal codes, such as:

  D-79011 Freiburg      (GERMANY)
  NL-1081 HV Amsterdam  (NETHERLANDS)
  PL-40-873 Katowice    (POLAND)
  SF-33560 Tampere      (FINLAND) (*)

etc.  I believe these are ad-hoc creations; they are not ISO 2-letter or
3-letter country codes.  Is there a document or standard anywhere that
describes the preferred format for addresses in each country, and that lists
the postal country codes, etc?

(*) I understand that Finland now prefers FI to SF.

Do the new countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR -- Russia,
in particular -- have country prefixes or other address-format changes?

etc etc.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problems with transparent printing (3.14)
Date: 7 Feb 1995 16:42:42 GMT
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For years I was quite unaware of the possibility of redirecting remote print
output to the local printer or to the local disk. The good news about
that was brought to me in one of the early beta releases of MS-Kermit
3.14 which contained the pcprint.sh UNIX script in the utils-directory.
Since then the number to times per day I'm walking over to the computer
center decreased dramatically. :-)

Now I repeatedly noticed an awkward problem that probably did not exist in
early beta versions (sometime before beta 14): When I try "to pcprint" a
somewhat larger e-mail (or any other text) file (say, about 20 KB) with
"set printer filename" to my local disk, the process seems to "hang"
anywhere.  Entering "hangup" at the MS-Kermit prompt for getting out of
this, usually needs 20 minutes or so to succeed. I performed some tests to
clarify the conditions under which this happens (not very many tests, of
course, since it is quite time-consuming) which seemed to indicate that it
would only occur in a TCP/IP connection, not when I use my still existing
serial connection. When I reinstalled Version 3.13 with my old
mskermit.ini and mscustom.ini the pcprint thing worked alright. I also
verified that the fault does not lie in the two current ini-Files: 3.14
produces the "hang" condition also with my old ini-Files.

My other problem is less severe. Using pcprint transparent printing works
OK with UNIX text files, and with piping in the mailer program elm, but
when using pcprint to pipe print output from the newsreader program nn,
the carriage returns are missing. (The effect is easily to be observed if
one uses simply "cat" instead of "lpr" at the printer-prompt in nn.) My
current solution is to encorporate a sort of UNIX-to-DOS filter in the
pcprint script file, but I wonder if there exists a more elegant solution.
Besides, the filter-command I have at hand inserts CRs at the end of every
line, not only when there is a sole LF.

Thanking you in advance for any leads.

Peter Schmolck
--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY

From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 15:48:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Applebaum)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: ckermit and embedded cr's
Date: 8 Feb 1995 15:48:21 GMT
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Ckermit 5A-190 running under VMS has a problem receiving text files with
embedded carriage returns not followed by a linefeed.  It eats the
character following the cr.  As an example, the line "12345^M12345" gets
mangled into "12345",new line,"2345".  The old bliss version of Kermit
handles the text just fine.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks - Larry


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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 12:55:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
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In article <3h74eo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>  I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in
> order to obtain the data in the data in ASCII. I need a version of
> Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system operating system
> (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available
> Bob Cox

I've used XMODEM right out of the box on our Nicolet Pathfinder, a brain
electrical analyzer.  Some one from England just replied to you that they
had Kermit for a series of cpus, but look for XMODEM, as Nicolet supplied
it, they may have for you too.  Good luck.  Ours was an 18 bit machine..
Nicely done s/w for what it did, tho.  as analysts we were impressed.
I digress, tho... bye!

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | [e-mail]  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 18:03:28 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Lebar)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Question: Error: Can't create work file
Date: 8 Feb 1995 18:03:28 GMT
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I am having a problem performing remote commands on
a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode.  Whenever I send
certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive
the error:
    Error: Cannot create work file.

Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly
this means.  I thought initially it meant that it
could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing
some further checking, and downloading the server's
'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes
(ie. when trying 'rem set ?').

Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response
if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing
problem.

Thanks (thanks from my client also),


Mark

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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 05:02:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK
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In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>
> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
> desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
> the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
> switches back to the session.
    XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say
    SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This
    is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does
    a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by
    SHOW MACRO.

> So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
> screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
> whenever I switch a session?

    There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching
    sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of
    SESSION<digit> macros defined? If so those are executed each
    time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed.
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Thu Feb  9 01:35:19 1995
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Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra
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                   Request for Discussion (RFD)

    Newsgroup      : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    Status         : unmoderated
    Distribution   : Worldwide
    Summary        : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS
                     MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe
                     protocol converters including configuration,
                     problem solving techniques, file transfer
                     capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection
                     techniques, custom software programming, operating
                     system considerations, and various suggestions for
                     unique mainframe dial-up applications.

    Proponent      : Rick Sande ([e-mail])


    This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
    unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
    Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups:

                  news.announce.newsgroups
                  news.groups
                  comp.terminals
                  comp.lang.rexx.tso
                  comp.lang.rexx.vm
                  comp.dcom.lans.misc
                  comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel
                  comp.dcom.lans.token-ring
                  comp.dcom.modems
                  comp.dcom.sys.cisco
                  comp.protocols.ibm
                  comp.protocols.kermit.misc
                  bit.listserv.ibm7171


   Discussion will take place in news.groups


                               CHARTER

  The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of
  technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe
  protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing.

  Specific subjects will include but are not limited to:

  Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications
  Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members
  Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection
  (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity.
  Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software
  Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas"
  System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications.
  Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM
  Microcode upgrade & regression procedures
  Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments
  Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270)

                          RATIONALE

  The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts &
  bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware"
  allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration
  samples to those less knowledgeable of the product.

                        PROCEDURE

  After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take
  place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming
  objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for
  votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting
  period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by
  receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as
  many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created.


  Thank you for your time.

  Rick Sande                  [e-mail]


---



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From: [e-mail] (Rod B. Nussbaumer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MSK response to term type query in scripts
Date: 8 Feb 1995 21:01:42 GMT
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Dear Kermit gurus:

I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
intervention from the script.  Well I don't think it is doing this, and
there is nothing documented that says it should.

The symptom of this situation is that the two systems reach a deadlock
condition.  The VAX host is waiting for the reply to the query, and the
PC is waiting for the correct bits of text from the login procedure.  It
would be fairly messy to try to get the correct escape sequence for the
current terminal type from within the MSK script (I'm pretty sure).  Is
there a clean way of solving this problem?  Is there a good reason for
the terminal-type query to not be handled transparently, as I've
suggested above?  Does this sound like the beginning of a request for a
new feature? :-)

Thanks in advance for your help,
    ---   Rod.

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From: [e-mail] (Loke Teng Yan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: No Exit When Carrier Detect
Date: 2 Feb 1995 00:17:15 GMT
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Hello,

I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish
my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my
connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and
"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that when
a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" command if
it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers.
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From [e-mail] Thu Feb  9 13:56:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts
Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:56:23 GMT
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In article <3hbbfm$[e-mail]>,
Rod B. Nussbaumer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
>auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
>because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
>DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
>elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
>intervention from the script.
>
That would be nice, but it doesn't happen.  The terminal emulator is not
active except during the CONNECT and REPLAY commands.  So your script has
to handle terminal-type enquiries itself.

For further details, please read section 18 of the KERMIT.BWR file that
comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  For examples of VMS login scripts that
handle the terminal ID query, see the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", or
"Using C-Kermit", or for that matter, look at the VMSLOGIN macro that
comes with the C-Kermit 5A(190) CKERMIT.INI (.kermrc) file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: No Exit When Carrier Detect
Date: 9 Feb 1995 14:02:55 GMT
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In article <3gp8ab$[e-mail]>, Loke Teng Yan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish
>my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my
>connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and
>"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that
>when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit"
>command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers.
>
You're welcome.

The command is:

  SET EXIT WARNING ON

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Question: Error: Can't create work file
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In article <3hb11g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Lebar) writes:
>
> I am having a problem performing remote commands on
> a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode.  Whenever I send
> certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive
> the error:
>     Error: Cannot create work file.
>
> Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly
> this means.  I thought initially it meant that it
> could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing
> some further checking, and downloading the server's
> 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes
> (ie. when trying 'rem set ?').
>
> Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response
> if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing
> problem.
------------
    You are correct about the particular file. MS-DOS Kermit
prior to v3.14 (current) used the current directory for that file.
V3.14 tries first for the directory "TEMP" found in the DOS Environment
and if not present then the current directory.
    Rather than saying REM HOST DEL say REM DEL. REM SET does not
involve a temporary directory, only DOS commands used by Kermit to
do the work create a temp directory to hold output for relaying back
to the Kermit client.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3hbbfm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rod B. Nussbaumer) writes:
> Dear Kermit gurus:
>
> I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
> auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
> because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
> DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
> elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
> intervention from the script.  Well I don't think it is doing this, and
> there is nothing documented that says it should.
    The documentation states clearly that terminal emulation is active
ONLY in Connect mode, not otherwise. Scripts do not run in Connect mode.
Thus you need to detect the ESC c  terminal type query and make a standard
response (listed in the docs).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken V. Broezell)
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Subject: Kermit & Pagers
Date: 9 Feb 1995 15:58:02 GMT
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Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have
been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital
pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message
"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting
this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete
without such a message.

Thanks in advance.
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From [e-mail] Fri Feb 10 00:32:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: CMS Kermit
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[e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco) writes:
> Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
> cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
> at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14

Yes.  Although the System/370 I/O architecture allows 65,635 bytes
per I/O request, there are limitations.

The CMS macros for console I/O have limits:
 - the LINERD (read a line from the console) macro has a limit of 2030,
 - the LINEWRT (write a line to the console) macro has a limit of 1920,
   which is 24 (rows) times 80 (columns).

Probably, the I/O controllers on the mainframe also have similar limits,
probably due to the size of internal buffers, etc.

I sense that if you draw a graph of elapsed-time versus packet-size,
you'll see exponential-decay, i.e., using 80-byte packets will be slow,
using 160-byte packets will be noticeably faster than 80-bytes,
using 1K packets will be much faster than 80-bytes,
but using 2K packets will only be slightly faster than 1K,
assuming no "retries" occur.

So, it won't matter (too much) that you can't achieve 9024-byte packets.  :-)
The important thing is to avoid "small" packet-sizes,
if you like good performance.

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From: [e-mail] (George Gary)
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We have an IBM 3090 running VM ESA 2.1 and SIM3278 Version 1
Release 2.1.  We downloaded and installed kermit 4.31 from the
sources at Columbia.  When we execute the new kermit from a
telnet session,  the session is immediately closes.  This
happens no matter where we telnet from and with various
telnet packages including unix and pc platforms.  The same
kermit works fine with the dialin to a Series I Yale/Ascii
front end or through an IBM 7171 frontend. I understand this
kermit works fine under VM 370.  Is there anyone out there
with a similar configuration with kermit working accross
telnet?  Please help

George Gary (703-836-1071, fax [phone])



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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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It sounds as if the attempt to detect the controller type is killing
the session.  As of release 2.0, SIM3278/TCPIP did not support the
type of detection that Kermit tries, but I never heard that it would
fail so abysmally.  Perhaps 2.1 is different.  In any case, you need
to force Kermit to settle on SERIES1 for the controller type anyway,
so refer to the note dated 89/2/27 in IKCKER BWR.  It explains how
to do that -- extract the example into your KERMIT LOCAL.

                John Chandler

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From: [e-mail] (Peter L. Silsbee)
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I pretty much call just one number with
my modem. Most of the time, that number
is busy :( When it isn't busy, it frequently
takes upwards of 45 seconds to connect. My
current kermit script redials after 60 seconds
if my wait-for-connect-message fails. But most
of the time it's a busy signal which I ought
to be able to detect and redial sooner. Any
hints on how to simultaneously wait for the
connect message but break out of the loop
if a busy signal is detected?

Thanks,
Peter


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From: [e-mail] (Herb Howe)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of
: programmers who are both willing and able to do the job.  I hope

: Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at
: Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently
: needed ones being bug fixes.  Contact me if you are interested.


For many Mac users, a public-domain Communications Toolbox (CTB)
Kermit tool that includes all of the features of the current Kermit
protocol would be more useful than a working MacKermit.  A CTB tool
may be used with most Mac terminal programs (ZTerm being a mojor
exception) and a Kermit tool would allow file transfers at ZModem
speeds without having to switch to MacKermit just to do transfers.

It would probably be easier to find volunteers to work on a Kermit CTB
Tool than to work on MacKermit.  The tool involves primarily the
Kermit file transfer protocol without the additional programming
overhead of a complete terminal emulation.  As far as I have been able
to determine, there is currently no Mac program or CTB Tool that
supports sliding windows, for example.  Thus, for Mac users, ZModem is
definitely faster than Kermit since there is no way to completely tune
the Mac end of a Kermit transfer for speed.

Any possibility of the Kermit project producing a public-domain CTB
Kermit Tool?

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Hi Paul.
Do You have thought about one of those administration tools,
e.g. Microsoft's SMS (Systems Management Server) which can
distribute files and whole program packages to clients?
It can be used in LANs, WANs and so on (WAN: e.g. using
RAS-Services). Those packages will not be only distributed
but also installed automatically on those clients. SMS
is especially designed for such tasks you described.
Besides that there are some nice features like automatic
inventory of soft- and hardware, network tools, user support
and so on. SMS can be installed on PCs using Windows NT 3.5 Server.
Have a try
bye

Lars Olboeter
[e-mail]

In article <3gliql$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Smith) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have
>varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for:
>
>1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete.
>
>2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote
>DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up.
>
>3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted.
>
>Solutions could be:
>
>a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd
>
>b) TSR based kermit in server mode.  This one sounds the most plausable given
>a need for a small RAM foot print...
>
>The kermit folks have any ideas?
>
>c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool?
>
>Thanks..
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
Subject: Re: Kermit & Pagers
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In <3hde2a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken V. Broezell) writes:

>Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have
>been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital
>pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message
>"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting
>this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete
>without such a message.

Change the dial script to add a semicolon to the dial string, and to
expect "OK" as an exit-successful condition rather than CONNECT....
The semicolon tells a Hayes-compatible modem "go do this dial script
and then come back and tell me "ok" (leaving the phone off-hook)
instead of trying to connect"... and I s'pose you'll want to output
an ATH0 (or do a hangup) at the end of the script...

-- Glenn R. Stone ([e-mail])
kermit kinda guy on occasion

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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
Subject: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed
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    Question.  I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to
transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop
system.  I use PCPLUS for windows.  No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit
throughput is pathetically slow!  I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a
little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k
connection established.  Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX
kermit or is there something I'm failing to set.  I've played with
'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of
which could affect the transmission rate.  The only thing that affected
throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command.  When I dropped it
from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to
around 1200 baud.  Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud.  Any help on this
matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


--

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Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2??  I have an application
that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when
I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks
like this:

Name:_____________________


C-Kermit looks like this:

Name:


At one time I used reflections with a /U for underline is there a way to
duplicate this?


Thanks,


Kevin Newman


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pablo) writes:
>
>     Question.  I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to
> transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop
> system.  I use PCPLUS for windows.  No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit
> throughput is pathetically slow!  I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a
> little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k
> connection established.  Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX
> kermit or is there something I'm failing to set.  I've played with
> 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of
> which could affect the transmission rate.  The only thing that affected
> throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command.  When I dropped it
> from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to
> around 1200 baud.  Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud.  Any help on this
> matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
------------
    It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters
CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation.
So look at the other end of the wire for a moment. Try MS-DOS Kermit,
v3.14 is current. Then ask if there is a comms box between the ends which
throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file
transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more).
    VAXen come in various models and the faster they are the more
bytes/sec they can move across the link. My uVAX II can do about 2-4KB/sec
before suffering dizziness. A VAX undergoing heavy swapping will not
be very speedy.
    I rarely have occassion to use more than 4 window slots, even
on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise
on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though
the comms boxes and type-ahead buffers of mainframes.
    In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems
and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port
is locked at 1200bps?).
    Joe D.

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II am a newcomer to the Freenet and am unable to download a file to my
drive using Kermit.  When I GET the file the box keeps repeating "packet
resent" How should the Kermit options be set?





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In article <3hj1t4$[e-mail]>,  <knewman @mcs.com> wrote:
>Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2??  I have an application
>that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when
>I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks
>like this:

example deleted

C-Kermit does indeed show Underlined text.  But it uses color to represent
the underlining instead of a true underline.

Use SET TERMINAL COLOR UNDERLINED-TEXT
to set the color combination you would like.


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a
>> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in
>> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to
>> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.
> ----------------
>     It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could
> elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual
> useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment
> for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here).
>     Joe D.

I noticed the same behaviour: with 3.13 I could have an idle connection
for days, but with 3.14 the connection terminated after an idle period.
The host was Unisys U6000/65 with their UNIX SVR4 port. The host had an
idle timeout parameter, which we increased; indeed, it was the host doing
disconnects.

However, I don't know why 3.13 kept the connection open despite of the
timeout...
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>>
>> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
>> desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
>> the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
>> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
>> switches back to the session.
>     XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say
>     SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This
>     is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does
>     a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by
>     SHOW MACRO.
>
>> So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
>> screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
>> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
>> whenever I switch a session?
>
>     There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching
>     sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of
>     SESSION<digit> macros defined? If so those are executed each
>     time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed.
>     Joe D.

I noticed with 3.14 beta April '94 that when you have very little
conventional (i.e. < 640KB RAM) memory free and have many sessions open,
Kermit would sometimes beep and give you a blank screen when pressing
Alt+N.

Check your free memory. For example, do you have enough memory to spawn
a command processor (i.e to do a PUSH)?
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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Yeechang Lee ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> says:

: I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation
: I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience.  His writing style
: is--um--bizzare, to say the least.

So is the source code in the UNIX versions of zmodem.

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank O'Donnell)
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Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> writes:

>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
>>
>> Any benchmarks ?
>
>    Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>If not please do.

Actually this brings up a question of mine.  I recently obtained
C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running
it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem.  When I run MS-DOS/Windows
sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get
transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol.
However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get
Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or
about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe), to a max of
around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a
Kermit implementation).  I have and have read "Using C-Kermit"
by da Cruz and Gianone.

Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end?

Thanks for any comment,

Frank
[e-mail]

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I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.

Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan Morgenroth

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Sorry this is a TEST..
--

            With regards,

                              sssss      w     w

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
>transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
>I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
>but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
>
>Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
>transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
>
The Kermit FAQ can be found on kermit.columbia.edu in kermit/FAQ.TXT.
Quoting from it (since there were more than usual number of questions like
this in this morning's crop of postings):

... you can make Kermit go as fast as the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.  A good starting value to try is 1000.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This might require some trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers)
Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:58:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Frank O'Donnell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> writes:
>>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
>>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
>>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
>>Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>>If not please do.
>
>Actually this brings up a question of mine.  I recently obtained
>C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running
>it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem.  When I run MS-DOS/Windows
>sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get
>transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol.
>However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get
>Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or
>about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe)
>
Note that we can't vouch for CompuServe's Kermit implementation.

>...to a max of
>around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a
>Kermit implementation).
>
...nor for whatever Kermit implementation might be in use on the BBS.

>Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end?
>
First, read the item on Kermit performance in our FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

then try the techniques described there.  Better still, try them with
real Kermit software, e.g. MS-DOS Kermit on the PC, C-Kermit on UNIX,
etc, and you'll get the kind of performance numbers you want.

- Frank
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Hello,

    Sorry if this question is answered somewhere in the (great
mass of) kermit docs, but I did a grep through them for the key
"rockwell" and found nothing so...

    Does kermit 3.14 for ms-dog support Rockwell's Protocol
Interface (RPI)?  Many thanks for the answer or pointers as to where it
might be found!

    Tito.


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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Subject: SUMMARY: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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Hi,
Recently I asked how I can use zmodem via MS-Kermit, that is, use an external
program from MSK to handle incoming zmodem data transfers.
I'm doing this every day from my C-Kermit, using the 'rz' macro supplied
with C-Kermit package.

Official responses (Joe Doupnik) were that "Kermit protocol is superior
and one does not need to support or use zmodem."
Most other response suggested using Chuck Foresberg's DSZ program, available
on SimTel/DOS/zmodem archives.

For other suggestions, see enclosed mails below.

Thanks to the following people:
 [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
 [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
 [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
 [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik )
 [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)

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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)

OK, I got a few requests for this so:

PDZMODEM can be found at:

ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip

i.e.,

Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu
Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem
Filename: pdzmodem.zip


I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file:

define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4
set key \315 rz

This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key.

the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM.

The -c4 means use com port 4.

The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my
download directory.

f you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.

And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain.

David G. Risner
[e-mail]
Anaheim, CA

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)

 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

   All the best, Timo

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Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: [e-mail] (Ram Gura)
Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel
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Hi There.
I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
how.

Does anyone have any suggestions ?
Thank you
Ram Gura


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From: [e-mail] (Gerd Boehm (2017))
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Hello,
one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and
in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode
of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation?

I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220
terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics.
Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to
leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC-
Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the
singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET
session or is it a bug?

TIA,
Gerd

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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Hi,
I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
remote Sun.
When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
used out of the three.
Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

:     It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters
: CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation.

    I tend to agree, BTW:  I've attempted this xfer both from dialup
and telnet.  The site is NKU.EDU FYI.

: throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file
: transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more).

    Woudln't normal screen activity and text throughput also be
affected by this?  I've definitely got a high speed connection as far as
screen writes go.

: on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise
: on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though

How do I set this through Kermit?

:     In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems
: and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port
: is locked at 1200bps?).

    Again, no because I am at a high speed connection because of the
text throughput (non file transfer).  Unless there's some way to lock a
port to 1200 for a file transfer only?  Also, I can FTP to the site and
it runs at 'normal ftp speeds'.

    I agree that there's something amiss, it's just that I can't
figure out what!  If I run kermit on this unix server, it runs at the max
throughput of my modem (again, using Procomm Plus for Windows), yet I
telnet to the VAX, start kermit, send ANY kind of file, and I can't get
more than 200 cps out of it.  If you have any setup commands for the
remote kermit that might rectify this, they would be appreciated.


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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
: transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
: I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
: but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
:
: Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
: transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

    Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
the remote end.


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Bowman)
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Subject: kermit for OSF/2.1
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Has anyone tried to install kermit on a DEC Alpha running OSF/2.1 ?

I've been trying to compile and I'm stuck at the ckufio.c module.

It seems that the dir.h file in BSD is not compatible with OSF.  This is a
quick request as I don't have time tonight to get into the details of what
I've done on this so far.

Thanks in advance,

Brian Bowman
Ford Motor co.
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From: [e-mail]
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I am interested in using kermit to transfer data from a PDP-11 to a PC.  The
terminal used to run the PDP-11 is a Tek 4105a.  I can use the Tek 4010
emulation to accomplish the data transfer, but the lack of graphics emulation
causes problems.  Is there a way to emulate a Tek 4105a?  If so how do I get
and install the necessary software?

Thanks,

Geoff

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Smisko)
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Pablo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
: : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
: : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
: : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
: :
: : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
: : transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

:     Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
: I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
: get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
: all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
: still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
: the remote end.

I'm using C-Kermit on HP-UX and V.32bis on each end.  I get about 1580
cps on large binary transfers.  My .kermrc is appended.  Good luck.


Dan Smisko            [e-mail]
Hewlett-Packard            [phone]
Little Falls Site        [phone]  FAX
2850 Centerville Rd.
Wilmington, DE  19808

========================================================================

set modem hayes
set dial speed-matching off
set dial dial-command ATDT%s\13
set dial init-string ATZ\{13}

#set flow-control rts/cts
set flow-control keep
set line /dev/ttyd00
set speed 38400

set carrier off
set parity none
set control-character unprefixed all
set control-character prefixed 0 3 128 131
#set control-character prefixed 0 1 3 4 17 19 21 128 129 131 132 145 147 149
set command bytesize 8
set terminal bytesize 8
set buffers 32767 32767
set window-size 8
set file type binary
set file name literal
set file display fullscreen
set send packet-length 1024
set receive packet-length 1024
set block-check 3

define runterm output term\13, pause 2, ! term <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define on_exit pause 1, output +++, pause 1, output ath0s0=0\13

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pablo) writes:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
> : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
> : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
> : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
> :
> : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
> : transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
>
>     Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
> I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
> get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
> all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
> still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
> the remote end.
---------------
    Replying to both correspondents.
    Not all comms boxes provide the same speed and buffering capacity
in both directions. As Frank da Cruz has often pointed out (with exasperation)
Cisco terminal servers are fast and capacious for data moving from the host
to the client, and exactly the opposite for data moving the other way
(hardware built expecting only human typing rates).
    A box with little buffering for client to host traffic and poor
flow control will drop incoming bytes. So step one is to validate flow
control at each point along the path. Yes, this may require other people
to open the wiring closets and pop the covers. Step two is to explore the
capacity of the link by changing the sending Kermit's outgoing packet size
(SET SEND PACK nnn). Step three is to get the VAX manager to verify
installation of C Kermit and in particular to verify the section in the
instructions which discusses terminal buffer sizes (SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF,
set to be larger than the longest Kermit packet you want to use, mine is set
to 9216; check by looking at file sys$system:modparams.dat).
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on
>the remote Sun.  When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum
>thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more
>than one window used out of the three.  Is this a bug, a feature, or am I
>doing something wrong?
>
It's not a bug and you are probably not doing anything wrong.

When two Kermit programs have agreed to use a maximum window size greater
than one, let's say 4, here is what happens:

The FILE SENDER can send up to 4 packets without waiting for an
acknowledgement from the file receiver.  Each unacknowledged packet sits
in the file sender's window until it is acknowledged.  Thus its window
size grows from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4.  If acknowledgments arrive quickly, the
window might not grow to its maximum size because it does not need to.

The job of the FILE RECEIVER is to accept and verify packets, decode them,
and write the decoded contents out to the file.  If packets arrive in
sequence, then each one is processed and disposed of as soon as it
arrives.  If, however, a packet arrives that has a sequence number that is
more than one greater than the previous packet that was successfully
processed, this means that a packet is missing.  Thus the packet that just
arrived can't be written out to disk because if it were, the file would
have a piece missing.  So the out-of-sequence packet is stored in the
receiver's window until the missing piece is filled in.

Thus you won't see the file receiver's window size exceed one unless there
have been transmission errors, no matter what window size the file sender
might be using.  For greater detail see pages 102-103 of "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" or pages 158-161 of "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
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In article <3i0fi5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Perry) writes:
>
> This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
> version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
> send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
> Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
> itself as being a Kermit emulator?
>
> We have some programmers who are writing an application and
> would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
> if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.
------------
    Enquire/Answerback: Control E. See manual file msvibm.vt.
    Getting that particular may not be a good long term strategy.

From that file -

DEC VT320 and VT102 functions while in ANSI (non-VT52) mode, unsupported
features are marked by an asterisk (*):

Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area:

 Name    ASCII    value
     chart      hex keyboard            operation
 NUL    0/0    00h   ^@    Ignored except during transparent printing
 ENQ     0/5        05h   ^E        Answerback message (response: "MS-DOS KERMIT")

    Joe D.

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Hi,

I just upgraded to ckermit linux version 190. My connection for the net is
an openvms computer that has ckermit 189 loaded. After completion of a
download (binary or text) while using the consoles in linux, my terminal in
linux is set in a unstable state.

The Linux console terminal is not adding a new line character, and new
lines are writing over the old lines. This continues even after quiting
ckermit. Never happened with 189.

I have to run a program called reset in Linux or reset the terminal on the
vms side to make the screen work correctly.

Any ideals what I need to set in the linux ckermit?

Thanks,

Helen

I did look in the ckermit book first.

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Hi,

I am developing a communication utility for in house use at our place.

I would like implement the send and receive routines using kermit protocol.

I am using VB Prof 3.0 for my development. Any pointer to DLL implementation
for kermit would be appreciated.

Abhishek


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:
> Hi There.
> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
> how.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions ?
> Thank you
> Ram Gura
------------------
    a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits.
       Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception.
    b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS.
    c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one
       too.
    All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.


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I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to
run from the command line.  The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my
problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a
session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK
file.  Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance
of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later
point in the session.  Can this be done?

Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line
options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen.  Can I do
this even if I've used command line options and if so, how?

Mark Cyzyk
Towson State University

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gerd Boehm (2017)) writes:
> Hello,
> one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and
> in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode
> of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation?
>
> I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220
> terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics.
> Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to
> leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC-
> Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the
> singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET
> session or is it a bug?
----------------
    ALT-minus sign (on the rank above querty keys). It's keyboard
verb \Ktermtype. It toggles between text and graphics modes. Some time
ago it also used to cycle amongst all the terminal types in succession
but that was not a productive solution.
    Here is a cutout from file msvibm.vt:
 OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE:

 IBM key         IBM Verb      Action

 Keypad Del                    Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127
 Backspace (<-)                Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127  (BS is \8)
 Keypad -        MODELINE      Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is
                               enabled and not used by the host).
 Alt -           TERMTYPE      Toggle between text and Tek terminal types.
 Alt =           RESET         Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to
                               starting (setup) state.
 Alt b           BREAK         Send a BREAK signal
    etc
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
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In article <3hpvcj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> Hello,
>
> in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that
> did the following:
>   During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into
>   RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host.
>   So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape
>   character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return
>   and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return.
> Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement
> the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps
> on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could
> send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated.
-----------------

    Please see kermit.upd in the quick start release package msvibm.zip
found in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. In particular, read
about the APC command, portion attached below.
    Joe D.
--------------
UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE

The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320
terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support
Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as
DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction.

Old way (described on pages 180-181 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): CSI ? 34 h / l
invoked the TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros, if you had them defined.  This
required each Kermit user to define them, for example in their MSCUSTOM.INI
files, a big management problem for large user communities.

New way: CSI ? 34 h / l controls screen-writing direction, left-to-right or
right-to-left (for Hebrew and Arabic), as it does on real Hebrew-model VT
terminals (see Hebrew section above).

To replace the TERMINALR/TERMINALS function, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 now supports
the Application Program Command (APC) escape sequence, which is accepted by
MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's VT emulators, VT100 and above:

  APC <string> ST

In the 7-bit environment, APC is ESC _ and ST (string terminator) is ESC \.
In the 8-bit environment, APC is decimal 159 and ST is 156 decimal.  The
<string> can be any MS-DOS Kermit command or list of commands, separated by
commas, and can be up to 1024 bytes in length.    Upon receipt of this escape
sequence, MS-DOS Kermit executes the command(s) in the string and then
automatically resumes CONNECT mode.

  NOTE: In this respect, APC differs from the old TERMINALR/TERMINALS
  mechanism, which did NOT automatically re-enter CONNECT mode.  Thus, if
  you are recycling your TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros for APC use, be sure
  to remove the ", connect" from the end of their definitions, or else you
  will have to escape back twice the next time you want the MS-Kermit> prompt.

For safety, the APC mechanism cannot be used to invoke certain MS-DOS Kermit
commands that might do damage, like deleting your files.  Included in this
category is the RUN command, which provides access to DOS and to other
applications.  This new MS-DOS Kermit command regulates the APC mechanism:

  SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED }

ON means that Kermit will execute only safe commands.  OFF (the default) means
Kermit will not execute any commands and will ignore APCs.  UNCHECKED means
Kermit will execute ANY commands sent via APC.  Use UNCHECKED at your own risk.

  If you want to use this feature, you must enable it explicitly using
  SET TERMINAL APC ON (recommended) or SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED.

APC is much more flexible than the old TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism, and can
be used for any purpose at all.     For example, it can be used to configure
MS-DOS Kermit for use with a particular host or application by sending the
appropriate list of SET commands: communication parameters like parity,
protocol parameters like packet-length and window size, key mappings, etc.

It can also be used to initiate file transfers automatically from the host
without having to escape back to MS-DOS Kermit.     Here's an example you can use
with C-Kermit 5A.  In your C-Kermit 5A customization file (.mykermrc or
CKERMOD.INI), add commands like this:

  define autosend set delay 0, apc receive, send \%1 \%2, statistics
  define autoreceive apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive, statistics

Try it!  NOTE: The APC command is new to C-Kermit 5A(189); if you have an
earlier release of C-Kermit you can define APC as a macro:

  define apc output \27_\%1\27\92

You can set up similar procedures with IBM mainframe Kermit, e.g. in VM/CMS by
stacking commands and using XECHO to emit the escape sequences.

You can expand these commands to handle text and binary mode if you want to:

  ; Text transfers
  define tsend set del 0, set file type text, apc receive, send \%1, stat
  define treceive apc {set fil typ text, send \%1 \%2}, stat
  ;
  ; Binary transfers
  define bsend set del 0, set file type binary, apc receive, send \%1, stat
  define breceive apc {set fil typ binary, send \%1 \%2}, stat




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From: [e-mail] (Chengyin Chris Ye)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script.
Date: 14 Feb 1995 01:56:28 -0500
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    I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip
connection. It looks like following:

;my kermit script
    .
    .
output ADTD xxx xxxx\13
    .
    .
input {username:}
output chrisye\13
    .
    .
output slip foo.foo.edu     ; setup my slip here.
connect
end

     At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type
"ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I
run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is
droped.
    What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to
sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection?

    Any idea is welcome, I am basicly trying to write a script to
run kermit and slattach automatically.

Thanks

-chris
 [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
Date: 17 Feb 1995 00:27:04 GMT
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--
Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)

I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a block
i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102")


Any suggestions? I really could use your help... Please either post reply or
mail one to [e-mail]


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From: James Klaas <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Kermit and Windows 95
Date: 13 Feb 1995 22:45:47 GMT
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I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.

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From [e-mail] Sat Feb 18 11:38:25 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:38:25 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Joe Doupnik writes:

> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
> > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
> > returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
> > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
> >
> >     Erik
> --------------
>     Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
>     Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
> that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
> retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
>     Joe D.

If there is a key-sequence in the library-access software that always gets
you to a fixed point (e.g. main menu) you can use Kermit's ALT-X key as a
hotkey by implementing a 'connect'-loop:

    :reconnect
    connect
    output sequence-that-gets-you-back-to-main-menu
    goto reconnect

It might take a little experimenting to find a sequence that always works,
but if you find one, ALT-X will be a near-bullet-proof 'restart'.



--
Kees Hendrikse                                | email:   [e-mail]
                                              |
ECHELON consultancy and software development  | phone: [phone]
PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands  | fax:   [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (George Gary)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit,VM ESA 2.1,ibm tcp/ip,sim3278
Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:57:41 GMT
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We have been using kermit on our ibm runngin VM ESA 2.1 for years without
a problem over dialup thru a Series I and thru an IBM 7171.  Now we have
users telneting in as vt100 and connecting useing IBM TCP/IP and the
SIM3278/TCPIP product.  When logging in via this means and executing the
kermit module,  the telnet session is immediately closed.  We located a
site where this is working ok but on a VM/370 operating system.  Does
anyone know of a site with VM ESA 2.1, IBM TCP/IP, and SIM3278/TCPIP where
kermit is working over a telnet session or have any clue about this
problem? Please help!


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Becker)
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Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via
a serial port at 14.4K baud.  My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5.  Most
of the times things work well.

However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on.  This is distracting.  I
set it off.  It comes back on again.  I set it off.. it comes back on.

That mode line does not scroll the full display.  So whenever some text pager
sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen
are lines flying by in a one-line buffer.

There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'.  Maybe there should
be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that
bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display?

Regards,

Mark
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95
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In article <3honer$[e-mail]>, James Klaas <[e-mail]> writes:
> I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
> but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
> I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
----------------
    Why do people keep trying these things, sigh.
    No DOS program (that's DOS, not Windows) can use a pure Windows
TCP/IP stack. The program structures are vastly different. If Microsoft
provides a DOS gateway then fine, else no. Windows programs/.dlls/etc
are not compatible with DOS programs.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet????
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In article <3hoqsj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
> Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told
> is an X.25 packet switching network)???????
>
> I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet
> sizes are set to 1024.
>
> Any clues??
>
> Thanks in advance....
----------
    To ask the obvious: maybe that's all that the Tymenet channel
can carry? Those things are time sharing of a comms line, and such
situations are often very slow since they expect only interactive
keystrokes and similar from the client.
    To ask another question: did you engage sliding windows with
many window slots? And, which Kermit is on each end of the channel?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script.
Date: 18 Feb 1995 14:44:27 GMT
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In article <3hpk6s$[e-mail]>,
Chengyin Chris Ye <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip
>connection. It looks like following:
>
<stuff deleted>

>connect
>end
>

At this point, why are you entering CONNECT mode?
If you don't need the terminal emulator to type something manually you
should not be entering CONNECT.  Then you won't need to type "ctrl-\c".
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

From [e-mail] Thu Feb 16 01:45:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Nackil Sung)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Hangup the connection automatically?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 01:45:31 GMT
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Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
who wants to use the different database.
Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.

Nackil

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.13 command line options
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In article <3hp5b0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Cyzyk) writes:
>
> I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to
> run from the command line.  The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my
> problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a
> session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK
> file.  Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance
> of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later
> point in the session.  Can this be done?
>
> Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line
> options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen.  Can I do
> this even if I've used command line options and if so, how?
------------
    See the manual on keyword STAY to keep MSK active when the last
command line action has completed.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
> Hi,
> I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
> remote Sun.
> When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
> of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
> used out of the three.
> Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?
----------
    During file reception with sliding windows the receiver will
show only one window slot in use because it's seeing packets in order
and the head of the queue is being serviced at all times. If a bad packet
arrives then future ones occupy more slots until the replacment arrives.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
>remote Sun.
>When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
>of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
>used out of the three.
>Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

If you have a clean, low-latency, connection then your receiving
Kermit will be acknowleging packets fast enough that the extra
buffering of the other available windows will not be needed.
If you really want to force multiple windows, inject some line
noise into your connection ;-).

        --Ken Pizzini

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:12 GMT
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Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS


Danke jetzt schon


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Subject: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP?
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Summary: can ckermit for os/2 provide a slip connectionn?
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Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a
data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP
connection..... Can it?

    [e-mail]
    [e-mail]
    [e-mail]

please e-mail or post a rely- note: this is only a hobby.


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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:13:50 GMT
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
         (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
: >
: >
: > --
: > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
: > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
: >
: > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
: > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
: > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
: > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
: > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a
    block
: > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
: > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
: > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
: > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
: > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
: > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
: > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
: > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
: > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE
    VT102")
: -------------
:     You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
: sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
: set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
: Page in the display adapter.
:     These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
: MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
:     Joe D.

--
No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using
Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still
getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting
triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat
characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I
checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437.


Any other suggestions?

Please help :)


From [e-mail] Sat Feb 18 16:08:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:08:42 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, Ram Gura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>how.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>


Hi, Ram.

Check the attributes of the binary file on the Vax with a

$ DIRECTORY /FULL

before downloading it to the PC and once again after uploading it to
the Vax again.  I am certain you will find some differences.  You
will need to use a RMS-attribute-modifying utility like Joe
Meadows's very fine FILE utility to modify the RMS attributes such
that VMS will find them palatable.  Alternatively, you could use
VMSHEX and VMSDEH (available from Columbia) which produce an ASCII
hex file for transfer and which preserve RMS file attributes.

Incidentally, I'm sure you'll get a flood of messages in this
newsgroup telling you to get C-Kermit Version 5A(190) for Vax/VMS
and Ms-Kermit Version 3.14 (especially the former); they are right;
thruput with C-Kermit for Vax/VMS is astoundingly greater than that of old
Bliss-32 Kermit (I still use both occasionally).

Good luck!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:28:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <GIlCluqcZV$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>> Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit
>> news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this
>> claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are
>> interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You
>> can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to
>> /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode).
>>
>> Jeff
>-------
>    That item again? Jeff, that is a pretty shoddy thing, rather short
>on facts, which Chuck put out last summer. I hope you can a) read carefully
>the material from Columbia too, and b) run your own tests.
>    Joe D.
>
>

No, Joe, it's an updated version that explains the behavior of
Columbia University's Stochastic Telepathic Kermit Hyperprotocol,
something Columbia has not been able to do.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Seung-Chul Woo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit?
Date: 18 Feb 1995 10:35:21 -0500
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Hello netters,

I hope this is a right place to post.
I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to
put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file.

I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain.

Thank you.

- Seungchul Woo

  E-Mail: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
Date: 18 Feb 1995 18:53:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>---------------
>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>what it should be?
>    Joe D.
>--------------
[...]

Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
from the speaker.

It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
try it?

BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
SLIP mode.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Phil Neal)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit  on irix 5.2 ?
Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:43:59 GMT
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Dear kermit people,

Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running
Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ?

Thanks,
Phil
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Wed Feb 15 16:42:29 1995
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From: "Mary P. McKnight" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
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I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
message:

 Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
  Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45
  trying name ted
 Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
  Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2
 Cannot resolve address of host ted

However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still
running), Kermit works fine.

Can someone please explain to me what's going on?  I need to have
Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep
closing it down.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mary McKnight
Office of Computer Services
Union College
Schenectady, NY 12308
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe R. Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:07:19 GMT
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In article <3i4qtu$[e-mail]>,
Mark Becker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via
>a serial port at 14.4K baud.  My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5.  Most
>of the times things work well.
>
>However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on.  This is distracting.  I
>set it off.  It comes back on again.  I set it off.. it comes back on.
>
>That mode line does not scroll the full display.  So whenever some text pager
>sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen
>are lines flying by in a one-line buffer.
>
>There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'.  Maybe there should
>be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that
>bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display?
>
--------------
    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
line. So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
material to discover the error there.
    Joe D.
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet????
Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:48:02 -0800
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In article <3hoqsj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
>Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told
>is an X.25 packet switching network)???????

TYMNET is a character-switched network that is compatible with packet-switched
networks such as X.25.  It is usually used to connect async terminals to
async or X.25 hosts, or to connect an X.25 source to an X.25 destination.

>I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet
>sizes are set to 1024.

I get 921 characters per second from my PC to a UNIX host when I connect
to TYMNET at 9600 baud.

When going from one X.25 host to another (UNIX to UNIX), I get a transfer
rate of 1875 to 1925 characters per second.  That is pretty much the max,
since TYMNET has a limit of 2000 characters per second and X.25 has some
overhead.

>Any clues??

; This is Joe Smith's .kermrc for KERMIT version 5A(190)
set file type binary    ;For UNIX to AmigaDOS (but not for MS-DOS)
set file name literal    ;To preserve upper/lower case AmigaDOS file names
define alpha set network x.25, set host 3106011111, connect
define beta  set network x.25, set host 3106022222, connect
set block 3        ;Use CRC
set window 3        ;Sliding windows - 3 slots
set send packet 3000    ;3KB packets
set rec packet 3000
set file display fullscreen
set control unprefix all    ; Disable prefixing of control characters
set control prefix 0 1 13 16 17 19    ; ^@ ^A ^M ^P ^Q ^S
set control prefix 128 129 141 144 145 147
--
Joe Smith     MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support
<[e-mail]> 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 [phone] v854
CA license plate: "POPJ P,"  36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!)
Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me."

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:07:15 GMT
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Hello,

in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that
did the following:
  During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into
  RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host.
  So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape
  character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return
  and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return.
Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement
the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps
on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could
send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
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Subject: binary file conversion
Date: 19 Feb 1995 03:43:12 GMT
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Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
this encoding mechanism.

Following is an example header:

This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
16:35:24.
155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
[*BINARY*128]
PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
!^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
%[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
g


I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.

Thanks for any assistance.

Ethan

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Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:
>> Hi There.
>> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>> how.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>> Thank you
>> Ram Gura
> ------------------
>     a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits.
>        Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception.
>     b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS.
>     c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one
>        too.
>     All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu.
>     Joe D.

Not knowing what type of binary file, I'd warn you that doing a SET FILE
TYPE BINARY on both sides may not correctly create the file on VMS.  The
problem is that Kermit-32 wants to create such a file with VARYING record
lengths;  if the file in question is an .EXE file or a .OLB file, the
result won't be useable (VMS expects these to be fixed-length records of
512 bytes).  You are also likely to have problems transferring object
(.OBJ) files, because of problems with determining record delimiters when
transferring between PC and VAX and back (this operation will obliterate
the record boundaries and won't restore them properly).  The best approach
is to avoid transferring .OBJ files at all, and just transfer .OLB and
.EXE files, being sure to SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the VMS side and SET FILE
TYPE BINARY on the PC.

I'd echo Joe's comment about replacing Kermit-32 with C-Kermit.  It's a
much better program - much better throughput and many more options,
including the ability to transfer .OBJ files between VAXes by using the
SET FILE TYPE LABELLED command.  (You still can't transfer raw .OBJ files
from the VAX to the PC and back - you need to put them in some kind of
archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first).  If you are transferring .OLB or
.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit
doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script.
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:     .
: output ADTD xxx xxxx\13
:     .
:     .
: input {username:}
: output chrisye\13
:     .
:     .
: output slip foo.foo.edu     ; setup my slip here.
: connect
: end
:
:      At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type
: "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I
: run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is
: droped.
:     What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to
: sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection?

You can "output" any character with the "\" format, for instance \13 for
CTRL-M (carriage return).  CTRL-C is \3 (I can't tell whether you want
CTRL-C or CTRL-\, which would have a different value, followed by "c").

However, it looks to me as though you are trying to give the command to
C-Kermit, not to the distant machine.  In that case "output" is not
what you want.  In fact, I don't think you want to connect at all before
you run "slattach".  Why not continue the script with "run slattach" and
connect later?  If you need to wait for a message that the slip
connection is ok, you can use "input" the same way you did before sending
your username.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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    Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate.
    Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me.  Here's my prob.

    1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are
        in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view
        them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take
        me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks.

    2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry.  How
        do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead?

    Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta
    learn sometime....thanks.




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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: How to resume zmodem ?
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura) writes:
>
>Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason.  Under kermit,
>when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file
>from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped.  Is
>there a way around this?

Get a more complete ZMODEM implementation.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Xinnian Li)
Subject: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000
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Hi, kermit user guru:

I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and
a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and
uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend
to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file
type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers.

Any advice and help on this stupid question ?

thanks a lot.
--

=========================================================
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| Engineering Group (R&D) |       (403)-258-3567 (H)    |

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                   Request for Discussion (RFD)

    Newsgroup      : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    Status         : unmoderated
    Distribution   : Worldwide
    Summary        : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS
                     MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe
                     protocol converters including configuration,
                     problem solving techniques, file transfer
                     capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection
                     techniques, custom software programming, operating
                     system considerations, and various suggestions for
                     unique mainframe dial-up applications.

    Proponent      : Rick Sande ([e-mail])


    This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
    unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
    Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups:

                  news.announce.newgroups
                  news.groups
                  comp.terminals
                  bit.listserv.ibm-main
                  bit.listserv.opers-l
                  comp.protocols.ibm
                  comp.unix.large
                  comp.dcom.lans.misc
                  comp.dcom.lans.token-ring
                  comp.dcom.modems
                  comp.protocols.kermit.misc
                  bit.listserv.ibm7171


   Discussion will take place in news.groups


                               CHARTER

  The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of
  technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe
  protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing.

  Specific subjects will include but are not limited to:

  Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications
  Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members
  Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection
  (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity.
  Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software
  Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas"
  System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications.
  Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM
  Microcode upgrade & regression procedures
  Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments
  Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270)

                          RATIONALE

  The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts &
  bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware"
  allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration
  samples to those less knowledgeable of the product.

                        PROCEDURE

  After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take
  place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming
  objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for
  votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting
  period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by
  receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as
  many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created.


  Thank you for your time.

  Rick Sande                  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Subject: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT?
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What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second
computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my
main computer. Will a 286 do it?

//Markus


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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 19-Feb-95 09:34:14

; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish
; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland.
;
; This is needed since the Unix latin1 works differently than
; "advertised". I have no idea why this is the way it is,
; but this works for me, with the documented exception.

set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as ^ (caret)
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as ~ (tilde)
set translation input  \24 \129   ; Show ascii  24 as u"
set translation input \239 \154   ; Show ascii 239 as U"

; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set translation input \235 \132   ; Show ascii 235 as a"
set translation input \159 \148   ; Show ascii 159 as o"
set translation input \238 \134   ; Show ascii 238 as a'
set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
set translation input \251 \153   ; Show ascii 251 as O"
set translation input  \31 \143   ; Show ascii  31 as A'

; Here we have a problem
;
; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters.
; Latin1 161 is supposed to be inverted ?, but it is not.
; Latin1 163 is supposed to be pound sterling, but it is not.
; What is more this translation does not work! The output on the
; screen remains unchanged and shows wrong characters.
set translation input  \161 \168  ; Show dec 161 as inverted ?
set translation input  \163 \156  ; Show dec 163 as inverted pound sterling

; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set key \132 \235                 ; Key a" sends dec 235
set key \148 \159                 ; Key o" sends dec 159
set key \134 \238                 ; Key a' sends dec 238
set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
set key \153 \251                 ; Key O" sends dec 251
set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends dec 31

; Keyboard redefinitions for other 8-bit Unix characters
set key \129 \252                 ; Key U" sends dec 252
set key \154 \220                 ; Key u" sends dec 220
set key \168 \161                 ; alt-1-6-8 sends dec 161 (works)
set key \156 \163                 ; alt-1-5-6 sends dec 163 (works)

; --------------------  End of MIXED.CMD ---------------------------

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa
Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: [e-mail] (Rob Norris)
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[e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:

>Hi There.
>I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>how.

>Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>Thank you
>Ram Gura

We had the same problems here.  Went to C-Kermit on VMS. No problems now.
--
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From: [e-mail] (just me)
Subject: Zmodem with Kermit....
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We are using the telnet features of ckermit 5A(190) on several unix platforms
to connect to a modem server.

I was told that 190 could redirect the I/O so you could use protocols such as
zmodem. The problem is how?

I assumed you could use the ! shell command, but that doesn't work. Sorry for
a newbie question like this, but after going through the faq and other online
info, I couldn't find how to do this.


Thanks,
Alan Narup
IDS - Los Angeles

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Mary P. McKnight" <[e-mail]> writes:
> I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
> Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
> problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
> message:
>
>  Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
>   Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45
>   trying name ted
>  Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
>   Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2
>  Cannot resolve address of host ted
>
> However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still
> running), Kermit works fine.
>
> Can someone please explain to me what's going on?  I need to have
> Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep
> closing it down.
------------------
    Never try to run two protocol stacks for the same protocol over
the same board at the same time. We warn of this in the docs and frequently
on the net. DOS/Windows is not a nifty multitasking system with a real
kernel and embedded TCP/IP stack that apps can share.
    To run two such stacks side by side you'll need two boards and
two IP addresses. Anything less is entirely up to you and not without
risk.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Bowman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit missing ckucon.c
Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:27:38 GMT
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I seem to be missing ckucon.c from my kermit package.  Can sombody mail
me the latest version of this file so I can finish my compilation.


Thanks in advance,
Brian Bowman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>> who wants to use the different database.
>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>
>> Nackil
>----------
>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>    Joe D.

How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How can I get rid of bell sound?
Date: 19 Feb 1995 16:58:14 GMT
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Dear netters:

    I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds.
I tried set bell off,  it does't work. Thanks.


David

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
> this encoding mechanism.
>
> Following is an example header:
>
> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
> 16:35:24.
> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
> [*BINARY*128]
> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
> g
>
>
> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Ethan
------------
    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
of PKZIP fame.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help i'm kermit retarded
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In article <3i6lea$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fabry Jennifer) writes:
>     Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate.
>     Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me.  Here's my prob.
>
>     1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are
>         in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view
>         them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take
>         me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks.
>
>     2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry.  How
>         do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead?
>
>     Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta
>     learn sometime....thanks.
--------
Dear il (oops, Jen),
    1. No help because essentially no information.
    2. Your mailer creates the name in the mailer header. See your
Univ Computer Center admin for assistance on that.
    3. Never let another person into your account to "help." If you
do then you are a sucker being taken. Change your password NOW, and close
off your account to outsiders.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT?
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In article <3i77k4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second
> computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my
> main computer. Will a 286 do it?
>
> //Markus
---------
    An 8088 without a hard drive will do, provided it runs DOS and has
enough memory.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
------------
    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I get rid of bell sound?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Dear netters:
>
>     I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds.
> I tried set bell off,  it does't work. Thanks.
>
>
> David
--------------
    Which Kermit, which operating mode?
    SET BELL OFF does work on MS-DOS Kermit, and for Connect mode
you also have the choice of a visual bell (screen flash).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 15:28:33 GMT
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Dear Netters:

   I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code
of my keyboard?

    Thanks.


    David

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
Date: 20 Feb 1995 09:19:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>    I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which
>would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened:
>someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus
>inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by
>beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email.
>    Joe D.

Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind:

1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site?

2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text
file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site,
it was really only 10 megs.  uuencoded files increase in size
similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7.

My hope was that the extra data was not chopped off and lost, but
encoded back into the file itself, just as uuencode does.  If that was
so, it should be possible to do the reverse.

Either way, one thing is certain: this mess was indeed the result of a
"beginner". I tend to use a more derogatory word :-)

Ethan




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
> who wants to use the different database.
> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>
> Nackil
----------
    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
folks would use it at least part of the time.
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Mon Feb 20 17:25:30 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit  on irix 5.2 ?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:25:30 GMT
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In article <3hr86v$[e-mail]>,
Phil Neal <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running
>Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ?
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cko190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, which should produce an
executable called "wermit", in your case "make irix51ypc".

Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired
location, such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for
additional installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the softare and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:31:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Xinnian Li <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and
>a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and
>uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend
>to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file
>type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers.
>
>Any advice and help on this stupid question ?
>
Read the documentation?

For those who prefer not to read the documentation, the following short
excerpt is reproduced from the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT):

Kermit transfers files in text mode by default.  This means that record
formats and character sets are likely to be converted.  You can tell Kermit
to skip all conversions and transfer the file literally, as-is, with the
command:

  SET FILE TYPE BINARY

Normally, it is sufficient to give this command to the FILE SENDER before
giving it the SEND command.  But there are some exceptions to this rule:

 1. One or both Kermits do not support "Attribute packets" (or they are
    disabled).  This is true of many of the commercial and shareware
    Kermit implementations.  Cure: tell BOTH Kermits to use binary mode.

 2. You are using some combination of C-Kermit 5A(190) or later, MS-DOS
    Kermit 3.14 or later, or IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 or later in
    client server mode.  In this case, it is the CLIENT's file type setting,
    rather than the file sender's, that prevails.  Cure: tell the CLIENT
    to SET FILE TYPE BINARY, or to be extra sure, tell them both.

 3. You are sending the file from VMS C-Kermit, which is unique among
    Kermit programs in its ability to automatically switch between text
    and binary mode based on the file's characteristics.  VMS C-Kermit
    ignores SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT when sending
    files, and instead uses binary mode if the file's record format is
    Fixed, and text mode otherwise.  However, some binary files, notably
    VMS ZIP files, are stored using a "text-style" record format
    (Stream_LF), so Kermit sends them in text mode.  You can override
    this by telling it to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
>you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
>telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
>to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code
>of my keyboard?

Three solutions:
    1: by using "^]^]" you can have Kermit send the escape
       character on through so that Telnet can see it;
    2: use "set escape 28" to change the Kermit escape
       character to "^\";
    3: use telnet's "set escape" command.

To get the scan code of a key on your keyboard, use Kermit's
"show key" command.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:55:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
>you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
>telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
>to resovle this conflict?
>
Anyone who has read the manual, or even who has looked at
the popup help screen for ^] should be able to help you.

Ctrl-] (may differ on non-USA keyboards; e.g. on German
keyboards it is Strg-+) is Kermit's escape character,
which is, indeed, just like UNIX telnet's.  And, like UNIX
telnet, Kermit will send one copy of its escape character
if you type two of them in a row.

For further details, listen Guy Steele's hit song,
"Ctrl-Uparrow C"...

> Also how can I get the scan code of my keyboard?
>
You mean, how can you find out the scan code of a particular
key?  At the MS-Kermit prompt, type "show key" and then press
the desired key or key combination.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:00:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Thomas Rusch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS
>
Die FTP-Site fuer C-Kermit und alle andere Kermit-Software ist:

  kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]

Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:06:07 GMT
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In article <3i543p$[e-mail]>,
Seung-Chul Woo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I hope this is a right place to post.
>I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to
>put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file.
>I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain.
>
Try this:

  set dial dial-command ATL0DT%s\{13}

This will turn off your modem's speaker every time you give a
DIAL command.

Or if you just want to send the command to your modem at some
particular time, e.g. before dialing:

  output ATL0\13

etc.  There are many variations on this.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
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In article <3ialbo$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z.
>
Oops:

Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z.
                                                 ^^^^^^^^
- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
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Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
>> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
>> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
>> this encoding mechanism.
>>
>> Following is an example header:
>>
>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
>> 16:35:24.
>> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
>> [*BINARY*128]
>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
>> g
>>
>>
>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
>> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>
>> Ethan
>------------
>    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
>of PKZIP fame.
>    Joe D.


It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
bit files over a 7 bit connection.  It might not have anything to do
with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
persmission:

>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means
>add X'80'.  There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be
>repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for storing files,
>though.

Ethan

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP?
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In <3hqtj4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a
>data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP
>connection..... Can it?

C-Kermit cannot provide a SLIP connection.  For a SLIP connection you need
something like WARP's Internet Access Kit.

After you have a working SLIP connection, C-Kermit for OS/2 will provide you
with a very solid Telnet client which can be used over any TCP/IP network.



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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
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Subject: Printing from scripts
Date: 16 Feb 1995 20:04:47 -0800
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How does one print from within a script?

Thanks,
David G. Risner
[e-mail]
Anaheim, CA


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i8bh1$[e-mail]>,
Ethan J. Rasiel <[e-mail]> wrote:
.....
>>> [*BINARY*128]
>>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>
>It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
>happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
>characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
>sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
>bit files over a 7 bit connection.
>
Yes, but the receiving Kermit program -- if it is implements the Kermit
protocol correctly -- puts the data back the way it was originally before
writing it to the file.

>It might not have anything to do
>with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
>question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
>permission:
>>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40'

Actually, the "#" character is normally used for this.  The user would have
to go out of her way to change the control prefix in order to achieve this
effect.

>>...and ' means add X'80'.

Normally the "&" character is used for this.  Again, the user would have to
take extraordinary measures to change this.

>>There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and
>>there may be repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for
>>storing files, though.

It wasn't meant to be.

If the complaint is that the file was transferred with "kermit" and the
results were as shown above, then the most likely explanation is that a
faulty Kermit implementation was used on one or both ends.  A less likely
explanation is that (a) a faulty implementation was used on only one end
AND (b) the user changed all sorts of defaults in order to get the file
stored in the manner it was.

A third explanation is that the file really does not look the way we see
it above at all, but the excerpt above is the result of "typing" a binary
file on a computer whose terminal (console) driver displays control
characters in ^X notation and 8-bit characters in ~X notation.  Hmmm, sort
of like MS-DOS Kermit's SET DEBUG SESSION display...

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>>>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>>>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>>>> who wants to use the different database.
>>>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Nackil
>>>----------
>>>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>>>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>>>    Joe D.
>>
>> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
>> returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
>> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
>>
>>     Erik
>--------------
>    Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
>    Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
>that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
>retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
>    Joe D.

I was misunderstood.  If the connections are being made by Kermit
then define a key to be the escape key inside the driving Kermit
script.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the application though.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Sven Andreassen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95
Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:09 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> > Does anyone know if
> > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
> ----------------
> Why do people keep trying these things, sigh.

Well, maybe they actually need to make Kermit work with newer
versions of Windows....  I had a similar question, (conserning WFW 3.11),
and got help from this conference.

I guess this question will pop up from time to time until Kermit
becomes winsock-compatible one way or another.  TCP/IP has grown
to be the major Network protocol, and most TCP/IP applications
made theese days are winsock-compatible.  If the Kermit developers
wants to keep its strong position in PC-LAN communication, I belive
they have to make their product winsock-compatible.

When that is said, I will add that thousands of people ae
greatful that Kermit is made available as freeware. If the
developing costs are too high to make a windows version of Kermit,
making newer versions shareware should cover those costs.

Best regards.

Sven Andreassen.

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
Date: 20 Feb 1995 19:45:25 -0600
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In article <3i2ru6$[e-mail]>,
Leila Burrell-Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
>% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
>% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
>% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
>% message:
>
>You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
>manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
>last time I looked.)

There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version
of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from:
kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip  (16 bit) and
kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip  (32 bit NT).

It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions
appear to be there.  I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues
that affect this version later.  At the moment the only restriction
on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original
files together.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Becker)
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In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
  (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>--------------
>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>line.

I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:

 a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?
 b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
    cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
> material to discover the error there.

I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine
is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that.

Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever
else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above.

>    Joe D.
>

Thanks for your time -

Mark
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: How to resume zmodem ?
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Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason.  Under kermit,
when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file
from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped.  Is
there a way around this?

--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
>> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
>------------
>    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
>    Joe D.


ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site,
TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb.  Be sure to use binary
mode for the transfer!

The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".  To be fair, please
download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
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In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
>
>
> --
> Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
> for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
>
> I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
> However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
> caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
> program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
> I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a block
> i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
> get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
> lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
> print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
> support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
> either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
> lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
> ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
> but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102")
-------------
    You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
Page in the display adapter.
    These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>>> who wants to use the different database.
>>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>>
>>> Nackil
>>----------
>>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>>    Joe D.
>
> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
> returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
>
>     Erik
--------------
    Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
    Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3i178v$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David G. Risner) writes:
> How does one print from within a script?
--------------
    Print what?
    RUN COPY filename PRN  works, of course.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
Date: 17 Feb 1995 19:03:34 GMT
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Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
% message:

You should read the documentation that comes with Kermit in the
networks subdirectory. Basically, Kermit won't work over the same
stack as Trumpet Winsock at the same time. However, we have had good
results running the two over pktmux, but it's a bit hairy and I'm
sometimes amazed that it works at all.

You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
manual. (Its home si
e was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
last time I looked.)

Leila
--
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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
with a 1000 bytes packet.

Is this supposed to work?  Just curious.
--
Armand Zakarian

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Dear netters:

    I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great
communication software to use. But I have a little
problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from
my host machine, my screen will be full of junk
characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly.

    How should I setup my kermit to do the hangup?

    Thanks.


David

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to hangup properly?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great
>communication software to use. But I have a little
>problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from
>my host machine, my screen will be full of junk
>characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly.
>
On the contrary, it sounds as if you did hang up properly.
The burst of junk is typical behavior from modems when
the connection is hung up from the other end, which is
usually what happens when you log out from the remote
host or service.

In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, you can also "set carrier on",
which should have the effect of popping you back to the
MS-Kermit> prompt as soon as carrier drops.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>
> Is this supposed to work?  Just curious.
> --
> Armand Zakarian
---------------
    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
what it should be?
    Joe D.
--------------
$ multinet ping /data=1000 jrd.usu.edu
PING JRD.USU.EDU (129.123.1.45): 1000 data bytes
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=0 time=11 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=1 time=5 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=2 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=3 time=7 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=4 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=5 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=6 time=7 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=7 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=8 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=9 time=5 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=10 time=5 ms
- Cancel -


----JRD.USU.EDU PING Statistics----
11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 5/6/11


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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
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In article <3i372u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
> Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>          (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
> : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
> : >
> : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
> : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
> : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
> : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
> : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a
>     block
> : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
> : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
> : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
> : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
> : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
> : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
> : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
> : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
> : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE
>     VT102")
> : -------------
> :     You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
> : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
> : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
> : Page in the display adapter.
> :     These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
> : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
> :     Joe D.
>
> --
> No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using
> Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still
> getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting
> triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat
> characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I
> checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437.
>
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Please help :)
-----------
    Ok, I have not the slightest idea of what the host is sending.
One more guess then two suggestions. The guess is the host is sending bytes
with the high bit set to a 7-bit terminal kind, and the high bits get
lost (yielding funny stuff from the first 32 bytes in the PC display
adapter Code Page).
    The suggestions are:
    Use a VT320 emulation, and if that does not work for you then
    Send me a session log with come added commentary on what the
screen ought to look like in places. Please uuencode because it's a
binary file, and send directly to me at [e-mail]. Details about
your end of interest would be useful too (what terminal kind during
the log, MSK version number, anything else you think is helpful).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:18:29 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first).  If you are transferring .OLB or
>.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit
>doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent.
>
I beg to differ.  On C-Kermit for Vax/VMS systems, a

SET FILE TYPE BINARY

command produces fixed-length-record files, just as a


SET FILE TYPE FIXED

does in Kermit-32.  Furthermore, the default record-length for the
fixed-length records produced by binary mode in C-Kermit is 512
bytes as it is for type "FIXED" in Kermit32.  This is what VMS
expects for .EXE files.

One thing I neglected to point out in my earlier post was kindly
pointed out by another gentleman:  Kermit-32's BINARY mode produces
variable-length-record files and one must use a program like
VAR2FIX (and perhaps then Joe Meadows's FILE utility) to produce
files acceptable to VMS.

--
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From: [e-mail] (lbliao)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: AUTOMATING KERMIT DOWNLOADING AND UPLOADING DURING NIGHT
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Dear Netters,

I have an account that only has a quota of 1Meg. During the day I download
files into various directories in a directory structure. During the night
I want to write an automated script that will move various files to various
directories. In short I am lookig for script or looking for kermit commands
and example scripts that can do that. I also have a Z-modem. zs -y allows
transfer w/o going to the PC's zmodem and manually down-loading.

Please tell me how to do this.

Lily Liao



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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:44:17 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".

Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

--
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[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <3i5fmh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>>---------------
>>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>>what it should be?
>>    Joe D.
>>--------------
> [...]
>
> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
> P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
> from the speaker.
>
> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
> is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
> try it?
>
> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
> SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
> packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
> SLIP mode.
--------------------
    The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration
problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure
that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can
clobber an existing driver.
    Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is
not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest
MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number
of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2
headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted).
    SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Prior)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: AS/400 to Unix Dialup File Transfer
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[ Article crossposted from comp.protocols.ibm ]
[ Author was Bruce Prior ]
[ Posted on 19 Feb 1995 23:40:06 GMT ]

Can anyone please let me know of a cheap and simple way of implementing
dialup file transfer from an AS/400 to an AT&T GIS Unix system. The
central Unix box does NOT have SNA, APPC, LU6.2, etc, etc, but DOES have
Kermit, FTP (via SLIP/PPP terminal server), X.400, SNMP, UUCP, etc. The
AS/400 systems do NOT have a terminal server or a router, but some have
attached PCs. I know that AS/400 now comes with TCP/IP, and I also know
that the IBM implementation does not come with SLIP or PPP. I also know
that Kermit is not available for AS/400. Can someone set me straight on
this?

The solution offered must be inexpensive (ie. less than say US $1000 per
site over 5 sites.)

Please reply to the email address below.

Thanks in Advance, Paul Leopardi for Bruce Prior and Fergus Ryder
[e-mail]
TIAS PO Box 387 Bondi Jn NSW 2022 Australia
Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin J. Scott)
Subject: C-kermit Linux bug in thermometer
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Hi,
I have run C-Kermit 5A (190) from several different versions of Linux,
and have found an annoying bug. When I do file transfers using the full
screen gauge everything works fine until the transfers are done then the
screen scrolling locks up. I can ^Z out of kermit and run "reset" to get
the vidio back to normal but with things over-writing each other at the
bottom of the screen it is hard to see what I am doing :-) . My TERM is
set to "console" and I don't have any terminals hooked to the machine to
test other types.

     Thanx!


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
>remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput.
>Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
>used out of the three.
>Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

It means that everything is working properly.

I have used kermit on a networks where the round-trip delay was 3/4th of the
amount of time required to send a 960 byte packet at 9600 baud.  Watching the
lights I saw the following:
  1) RD light on solid for 1.0 seconds.
  2) SD light blips immediately after end of packet as ACK is sent.
  3) Both lights out for 0.75 seconds as ACK wends it way through network,
     eventually getting to the remote host, which immediately sends next
     packet, and that packet takes a significant amount of time to make
     its way all the way to my end.

The delay through the network was causing the thruput to be pretty bad.
Switching to 3000 byte packets helped, but not by much.  Without sliding
windows (or with window slots set to 1), kermit was still operating in
half-duplex mode.

Then I switched to a version of kermit that handled sliding windows.
Setting the number of window slots to be anything above 1 made all the
difference.  The receiving end saw a continuous stream of packets;
the RD light was on solid.  It reported only 1 window slot in use because
all the incoming packets had good checksums; it did not have to buffer up
any partial or out-of-order packets.

The sending end saw 1.75 window slots in use.  That is, it sent out the first
packet, and because sliding windows were in use, started sending out the
second packet even though the ACK for the first packet had not arrived yet.
About three quarters of the way through the second packet was when the ACK
did arrive.  When kermit got ready to send the third packet, it saw that the
first packet had been ACKed, the only one packet was outstanding waiting for
its ACK, and the window size was big enough to allow it to send out another
one.

If I were to try to run kermit between a machine in Europe and one in the US,
I would expect to see 3 or more window slots in use, as reported by the
sending kermit.  As long as the packets all arrived with good checksums, the
receiving kermit should say that it had only one window slot in use.

Summary: Setting the number of window slots to be greater than 1 at both
ends makes a big difference in transfer speed.  You should expect the
receiving kermit to report that only 1 of the window slots was actually
used.
    -Joe
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From: [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO)
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Subject: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
Date: 21 Feb 1995 20:19:05 GMT
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In article <3ia59h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri) writes:
:Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
:>set terminal character-set latin1
:
:These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you
:could elaborate your extra translations?

Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS
PC over a modem connection to a Unix host?  Likewise, have you
actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that
connection?

:Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For
:example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and
:then you want to see D when you get control code 30:
:
:>set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
:>set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
:
:I am very interested to know why you need those translations.

Yes. So am I. SO AM I!!!  I am a bit frustrated of hearing how it
should work, but no one having set up the new Finnish convention
being able to demonstrate it work over the said conditions in actual
practice.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Lemire)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: ioctl causes side affects with hp-ux x29server
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We use kermit to transfer files from PC to hp-ux using the x.25 network.
When the PC accesses hp-ux it instructs kermit to enter server mode.
It is at this point that kermit issues ioctl() calls which has the affect
of generating a command to the PAD.  Set PAD parameter 3 to 127, forward
packets on ALL characters.  We would like to keep our setting of 2, which
forwards only on reception of <cr>.  The x.25 support is provide by hp.
I have been told this is generated by the command "stty -icanon".  I
do not know which ioctl() appears to be generating this.

1) I would like to know which ioctl() call is generating this?  We have
traced it from the x.25 side and it appears to be the second or third
TCSETA ioctl() call.

2) I am trying to test this theory out in a little C test program ( get
pty, call ioctl ) but cannot get results since I have not programmed
down to the unix device level.  A little skeleton program would be very
appreciated.


thanks a million...

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Subject: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
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    Greetings to the Kermit community. I am seeking advice
regarding accessing a UNIX (FreeBSD specifically) system from an
IBM 3278 system via a telnet-type connection. I know virtually
nothing of the logistics regarding this type of connection but I
_am_ aware of the problems of full-screen buffering vs.
character-at-a-time common to IBM <-> other-system connections.
Does there exist a Kermit flavor for the IBM which can assist in
connecting? Pointers to a relevant Kermit and document(s) would
be most appreciated. Thank you.
    Reply here or via email to <[e-mail]>
    Signed, Another Happy MSKermit User :-)
--
The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them,
but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity.
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key/info}  [e-mail]  http://www.teleport.com/~sysone

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
>Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it.
If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
> In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>   (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>>--------------
>>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>>line.
>
> I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:
>
>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?

    Yes, it's status line.

>  b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
>     cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

    No, the status line is never part of the rest of the screen.
    May I direct you to cryptic doc file MSVIBM.VT, copy in kermit/a
    on watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Compare what the host sends (LOG
    SESSION) with that doc.

    Joe D.

>> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
>> material to discover the error there.
>
> I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine
> is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that.
>
> Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever
> else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above.
>
>>    Joe D.
>>
>
> Thanks for your time -
>
> Mark
> +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
> | Mark Becker    <[e-mail]>     | #include <std.disclaimer>|
> +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i8bh1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
>>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
>>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
>>> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
>>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
>>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
>>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
>>> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
>>> this encoding mechanism.
>>>
>>> Following is an example header:
>>>
>>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
>>> 16:35:24.
>>> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
>>> [*BINARY*128]
>>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
>>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
>>> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
>>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>------------
>>    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
>>of PKZIP fame.
>>    Joe D.
>
>
> It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
> happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
> characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
> sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
> bit files over a 7 bit connection.  It might not have anything to do
> with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
> question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
> persmission:
>
>>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means
>>add X'80'.  There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be
>>repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for storing files,
>>though.
>
> Ethan
-----------------
    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
misunderstood on both ends).
    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

... can't comment on this.
>
> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.

Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or
"startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have
KERMIT installed.  I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to
startup up in Windows correctly.

There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this
on bootup.  ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT

Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend.

<snip>

>
> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.

I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly
workable.

Hope this helps!

Charles   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
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Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
>misunderstood on both ends).
>    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
>trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
>    Joe D.


Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then.  The thing is, files
of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites,
uploaded by different people.  So I'm lead to believe that this is not
the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human
error in encoding a file when it was not necessary.  In every case I
have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded.

If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what
did?  I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could
think of that could be relevent.  I have also downloaded every decoder
I could fine but none works.  I wonder if this might have been
produced on a different architechture than pc entirely.  Perhaps
macintosh, or a vax or somesuch.

Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a
previous post.  Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go
home?  This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer
related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me...

This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995
18:28:40.10336
854 bytes.  Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5.
[*BINARY*128]PK
^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W
~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~
c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~


Thanks again...

Ethan


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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:44:53 GMT
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It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
else...
                    John Chandler

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In article <3i8sna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
>>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
>>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
>>misunderstood on both ends).
>>    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
>>trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
>>    Joe D.
>
>
> Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then.  The thing is, files
> of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites,
> uploaded by different people.  So I'm lead to believe that this is not
> the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human
> error in encoding a file when it was not necessary.  In every case I
> have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded.
>
> If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what
> did?  I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could
> think of that could be relevent.  I have also downloaded every decoder
> I could fine but none works.  I wonder if this might have been
> produced on a different architechture than pc entirely.  Perhaps
> macintosh, or a vax or somesuch.
>
> Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a
> previous post.  Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go
> home?  This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer
> related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me...
>
> This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995
> 18:28:40.10336
> 854 bytes.  Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5.
> [*BINARY*128]PK
> ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W
> ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~
> c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~
>
>
> Thanks again...
>
> Ethan
-----------
    I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which
would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened:
someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus
inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by
beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Z-modem called from C-Kermit [VAX/VMS]??
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I know this is blasphemy!  I'm a Kermit fan
and I wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't necessary.

I need to transfer a file to a site using
Procomm Plus for Windows and I've tried with Kermit
and it doesn't seem to be working right.  It sends
about 48% of a 1.2meg file and then starts dying for
no apparent reason.

I would like to attempt to transfer using Z-modem,
but the Z-modem must be called from within Kermit.
I know this can be done but I can't seem to locate
a version of Z-modem that is designed to be called
this way.

I'm running on a VAX system running the VMS O/S.

If anyone has any suggestions on getting the regular
Kermit transfer to work, or on locating the
right Z-modem program, let me know.

Much thanks,
    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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James Klaas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
> but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
> I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
>

According to the following excerpt from:
   ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/readme

"Ndis3pkt.386 is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a
packet driver interface on top of NDIS version 3.  It allows packet
driver applications to be used in a WfWG 3.11 (and, theoretically,
Chicago) without loading any real-mode software components.  Ndis3pkt
^^^^^^^^
performs all the VM (virtual machine) switching required to insure that
the correct application receives packet upcalls, i.e., it includes the
functionality of winpkt.  In addition, ndis3pkt is willing to deliver
the same packet type (and even the same packet) to multiple clients
in multiple VMs.  An optional tcp multiplexor allow several tcp stacks
to exist on the same IP address under certain circumstances."

   ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/ndis3pkt.386

might do it. I have not yet installed it (under WfW 3.11), and would
be interested myself to hear from somebody who has installed it.



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <3hpvcj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>
>> --------------
>> UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE
>>
>> The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320
>> terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support
>> Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as
>> DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction.
>
>
> Is there a way to disable this?  this seems to have broken our Wordperfect
> office screens on VMS, the screen write backwards, and we've been going
> nuts over this off and on...  Our secretaries have been using kermit 3.12,
> we switched over to a lan, and they all got 3.13 and we thought it was the
> lan.  it may be, but for a quickie look, can the disabling be done?
---------------
    The way to solve the problem (since we can't disable something
which is no longer present in the code) is to put the new APC commands
into WordPerfect. Please do see the release docs for MSK 3.14 and the
WP/VMS docs.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (David Perry)
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Subject: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 21:20:05 GMT
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This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
itself as being a Kermit emulator?

We have some programmers who are writing an application and
would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.

Thanks for any help.
---
---------------------------------------------------------------------
David W. Perry
Computer Sciences Corp.
Brooks AFB, TX
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
Date: 20 Feb 1995 15:26:09 +0200
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Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish
>; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland.

Well, some universities decided to adopt ISO Latin 8859-1. It is a
character set for West European languages, not only Finnish.

>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
>set terminal character-set latin1

These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you
could elaborate your extra translations?

For example:

>;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet

No it does not, but it belongs to Latin1 and there are lots of
people in Finland who have letter u-umlaut in their name. Why do you
want to change it to tilde? Latin1 contains both characters.

Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For
example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and
then you want to see D when you get control code 30:

>set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
>set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"

I am very interested to know why you need those translations.

-Petri

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP.
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In article <3ib1v3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
>
>
> --
>
>     Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show
> the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might
> you ask).  Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a
> ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102
> emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need
> kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the
> correct characters presently I am setting:
> SET TERM VT102
> SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT
>
> and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that
> looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U.  However
> all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and
> SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI.
> But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE
> I GO BALD..
>
>
> [e-mail]
> or
> [e-mail]
----------
    VT100's are 7 bit devices, yet your host is sending an 8-bit code
to judge by your description (values are useful here rather than just visual
appearance, LOG SESSION to capture the binaries). VT220's and above support
8-bit incoming bytes. Try SET TERM VT320.
    ESC [ c  is a request for device attributes, and the reponses
change according to terminal type. It's a DEC function. MS-DOS Kermit
responds the same as if it were a VT100. See manual text file msvibm.vt
for details on this item.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3i5fmh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>>>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>>>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>>>---------------
>>>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>>>what it should be?
>>>    Joe D.
>>>--------------
>> [...]
>>
>> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
>> P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
>> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
>> from the speaker.
>>
>> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
>> is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
>> try it?
>>
>> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
>> SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
>> packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
>> SLIP mode.
> --------------------
>     The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration
> problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure
> that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can
> clobber an existing driver.
>     Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is
> not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest
> MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number
> of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2
> headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted).
>     SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it.
>     Joe D.
--------------
    Adding more to my own message, but delayed sufficiently to escape
critisism for following up myself...
    Reproducing your situation here shows no Ping response. That's a
bug, a minor and nearly harmless one but still a bug. I'll try to see if
I can patch it, but no promises. The bug is SLIP lacks a MAC address
(Ethernet address kind of thing) and the code constantly checks for NULL
values. Well, one place did but should have checked for SLIP conditions
first, and that killed an outgoing ICMP reply for SLIP only. Working around
that item here is a test with ping ICMP packets small enough to fit into a
SLIP frame:

$ ping -s slip.usu.edu 950
PING slip.usu.edu: 950 data bytes
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=0. time=2160. ms
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=1. time=2160. ms
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=2. time=2170. ms
    etc

    I also did massive file transfers (massive in the sense of time,
file sizes only 250KB or so) back and forth with no trouble. This is
using SLIP8250.COM shipped with MSK, and using no flow control at all.
Thus the crashing and burning you experience is not seen here and again
I suggest that your machine's configuration probably needs attention.
    Also, I strongly recommend keeping MSS's and MTU's small enough
to avoid IP fragmentation; it's bad news.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.


Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini
file located in your Windows directory.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
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Subject: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP.
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--

    Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show
the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might
you ask).  Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a
ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102
emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need
kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the
correct characters presently I am setting:
SET TERM VT102
SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT

and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that
looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U.  However
all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and
SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI.
But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE
I GO BALD..


[e-mail]
or
[e-mail]


Thanks a million and a half.


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
Date: 23 Feb 1995 15:42:12 GMT
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In article <3i0fi5$[e-mail]>,
David Perry <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
>version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
>send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
>Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
>itself as being a Kermit emulator?
>
No.

>We have some programmers who are writing an application and
>would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
>if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.
>
We have added this capability to later versions of Kermit.
Version 3.14 is the first one in which it is fully
implemented.  If:

 (1) The host sends the ENQ (Ctrl-E) character, AND

 (2) Kermit has been told to "set terminal answerback on",

THEN Kermit will respond with an identification string
that looks like this:

  MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320<CR>

where "314" is the version (which will increase over
time), "VT320" is the active terminal emulation (which
can vary), and <CR> is a carriage return.  You can also
set up Kermit to append additional text to this message,
before the CR.  For additional details, see the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>, Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]
----------
Brad,
    I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could
you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key
before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world
(your News message is largely chopped off on the right side).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

    Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host
text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of
Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o
and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode.
SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing.
    If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful
inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK
release docs for hints on this matter.

> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.
>
> I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
> prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
> not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
> KERMIT.PIF.
    Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will
help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver,
despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term.
Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping
for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before
attempting to run Kermit in Windows.

> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.
    4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest
I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks.
    Joe D.

> Dennis
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:21:21 GMT
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>,
Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one
> text file and write it to a second file.  When reading the first file I
> want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that
> contains "XXXXX".  I can do the part of reading and writing to a new
> file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that
> contains "XXXXX"
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier releases) has string functions you can
use for things like this.  In particular, \findex(pattern,string,pos)
looks for "pattern" in "string" starting at position "pos".  Here's a
sample script program:

  open read oofa.txt
  if fail stop 1 Can't open input file
  open write oofa.new
  if fail stop 1 Can't open output file
  :LOOP
  read \%a
  if fail goto done
  if > \fsubstr(XXXXX,\%a,1) 0 goto done
  write file \%a\13\10
  goto loop
  :DONE
  close read
  close write

MS-DOS Kermit's new string (and other) functions are listed in the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and they are
compatible with the ones in C-Kermit 5A, which are documented in the
script programming chapter of "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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Hi,

I'm looking for a simple kermit script doing an automatic binary file transfer
from one node to a other node(both unix, once a day).I would like to add the
UNIX script in my crontab,for calling a kermit script (dialing, logging in,
getting the remote file, logoff and hangup).

Any pointers are welcome.

P.S.: I'm getting the Kermit "bible" in a few weeks, but I need a solution now.

----------
Georg Ring
[e-mail]

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From: Bradley Pick <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
Date: 22 Feb 1995 22:27:36 GMT
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Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]

Since my first message was very vague I will try again.

I'm using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 to write a script that will log onto
one system,capture a file back to my pc and then have it sent to
another account for processing.

The problem that I have is that after I capture the file back to my
pc I have to strip away the bottom lines of the file before I send
it out again.

There are approx. 4 lines at the end of every capture that I need
removed before uploading.

The first line starts with
    ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED.
This line and the remaining lines need to be removed.

My first plan was to read and write the contents of my captured file
to a second file, but stop writing(copying) to the second file when
I encountered the line "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED".

Is there a way of comparing a defined macro to this string ?
Am I on the right track or is there a better solution?

Thanks
Brad

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
[...]
>    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
>using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
>modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
>goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
>am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)
>

In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need
to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads
to work.

--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800
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In article <3ig0n5$[e-mail]>,
John Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
>If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
>command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
>requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
>the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
>have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
>logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
>you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
>running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
>PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
>else...
>                    John Chandler

    Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes
again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help
someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand
IBM experience. Having made that warning...

    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
feed.
    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

    Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not
worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning
to store my password on any machine, local or remote.
    So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate
this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion
insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can
get it for the UNIX system?
    Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I
managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To
anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies
also. I appreciate your time.)
--
The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them,
but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity.
- Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP
key/info}  [e-mail]  http://www.teleport.com/~sysone

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From: [e-mail] (Cyber Flunk)
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Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
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Hello Folks,

    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
those concerning control character prefixing.

    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)

    Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated!
    Thanks!

    Tito


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Murdock)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Joseph Huber) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
> >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>
> --


I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a
multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing,
guess who
it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting himself.
Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited!

From [e-mail] Fri Feb 24 20:41:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 24 Feb 1995 20:41:31 GMT
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In article <3ikj6v$[e-mail]>,
FIGHT THE POWER <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
>system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
>For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
>my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).

That should be only a minor detail in an overall dismal picture.
Your terminal is, in effect, an EBCDIC terminal, and the Unix
system simply can't manipulate it effectively in ASCII.

>    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
>line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
>trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
>characters:

That shouldn't be a problem.  Your IBM's TELNET program should
define an "escape" character, perhaps a back-quote, that tells
it to suppress the carriage return on transmission when that
character is the last printable character before ENTER.  You
should look at the documentation.

>    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
>allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

Beats me.

>Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
>this?

No.
            John Chandler

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
Date: 21 FEB 95 19:48:47 GMT
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I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
change it back to 80 column.

I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
point.

I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
KERMIT.PIF.

I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
enhanced mode.

Dennis
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
>Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it.
If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:

#In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
#>In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
#>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
#>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
#>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
#>> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
#>------------
#>    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
#>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
#>    Joe D.


#ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site,
#TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb.  Be sure to use binary
#mode for the transfer!

#The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
#Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".  To be fair, please
#download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion.

#--
#Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
#   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
#Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
#TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

Sounds like a blatant attempt at commerciality....

get this drek offa my usenet.  I'll pay the $35 for the book if I can get
free support like Frank and Joe have been providing of late... oh, and
does Pro-YAM support X.25, networks, anything like that?  (rhetorical
question, don't answer)

Stay on your panzy bbs'en where you belong, Forsberg.

warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy...


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From: [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
Date: 22 Feb 1995 12:55:07 +0200
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Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:

>:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
>:>set terminal character-set latin1
>
>Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS
>PC over a modem connection to a Unix host?

Yes, all the time. Everything works just fine, including the 8 bit
characters.

> Likewise, have you
>actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that
>connection?

I just tried it. I found uemacs still installed at finsun.csc.fi and it
worked ok. Maybe there is something wrong in your uemacs or your unix
terminal parameters?

-Petri

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Date: 25 Feb 1995 21:07:43 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about
>anyway?  Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks
          ^^^^^
>there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews
>readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access.

I didn't make the comment about the multimedia document.

--
Joe Huber
[e-mail]
817-557-3186

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

... can't comment on this.
>
> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.

Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or
"startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have
KERMIT installed.  I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to
startup up in Windows correctly.

There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this
on bootup.  ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT

Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend.

<snip>

>
> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.

I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly
workable.

Hope this helps!

Charles   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>, Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]
----------
Brad,
    I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could
you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key
before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world
(your News message is largely chopped off on the right side).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

    Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host
text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of
Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o
and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode.
SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing.
    If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful
inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK
release docs for hints on this matter.

> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.
>
> I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
> prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
> not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
> KERMIT.PIF.
    Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will
help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver,
despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term.
Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping
for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before
attempting to run Kermit in Windows.

> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.
    4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest
I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks.
    Joe D.

> Dennis
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:22:01 GMT
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In article <3im0uq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>[e-mail] (Scott Murdock) writes:
>>(Joseph Huber) wrote:
>>>[e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB]
>>last night (a sad attempt at a
>>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess
>>who it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting
>>himself.  Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was
>>discredited!
>
>In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully
>incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life
>Benchmarks" is beyond me.

What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about
anyway?  Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks
there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews
readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access.  At least I haven't
received any complaints from people who can't print out the text portion.

Yes, Joe, the knewstru.zip article at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem could be
considered incomplete.  Joe, if you compare it with the earlier version
you will note that a number of topics have been left out for the sake of
brevity.

The bottom line for credibility remains: Kermit developer Frank da Cruz
did his benchmarks in secret.  I invited Frank da Cruz and all the Kermit
partisans to attend the Protocol Shootout so they could assure themselves
the tests were fair.  The careful reader of knewstru.zip will note that
the Shootout was covered by two independent computer periodicals.

When it comes to credibility, the question is: Why has Columbia University
not offered to repeat the their tests under the public scrutiny that was
present at Omen's Protocol Shootout?  What is there to hide?

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit command-line puzzle
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the
> customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start
> kermit this way:
>
>     kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay
>
> value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start
> kermit this way:
>
>     kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay
>
> some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'.
>
> I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set
> some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions?
------------
    The MS-DOS Kermit command line is interpreted internally as
a macro. That means commas separate the commands within that macro;
i.e., commas stand for the Enter key we would have pressed if saying
the same commands at the Kermit prompt.
    Semicolons are either data if not preceeded by whitespace or
the start of a line, or are comment introducers if preceeded ... And
comments work only in Take files, not in Macros where they are always
data. [Quiz on Friday so I hope you all took notes.]
        Now if you think all this is getting a triffle obscure may I
warmly recommend a few days with either Perl or Sendmail, and then
a week's vacation to recover.
    Joe D.
    You want commas up there.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
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In article <3iqhhe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
>>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
>>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
>>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
>>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
>>    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
>>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.
>
> Let me then rephrase my question.  I'm interested in using ms-kermit to
> send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay
> except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control.  Any suggestions?
------------
    Only two that I can think of, given the state of information in
the thread so far.
    1. Give up the patch file and change the source code yourself.
    2. Use some other async comms driver.
    We designed MS-DOS Kermit to be a coherent communications program
rather than a set of drop-in comms drivers. This means we fit the program
to the perceived major uses of it, realizing that not everyone can be
satisfied.
    Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
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Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as

Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.

Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
friend is seeing.

--
---
Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: [e-mail] (Cyber Flunk)
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Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
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Hello Folks,

    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
those concerning control character prefixing.

    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)

    Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated!
    Thanks!

    Tito


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.


Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini
file located in your Windows directory.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:48:27 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
>recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.
>
It may be annoying, but it's not strange.  Nowhere is it written that
data connections are symmetrical.  It is probably the rule, rather than
the exception, that data flows easily in one direction (usually towards
the terminal) but not in the other (towards the host).  Not only for
reasons of transparency -- i.e. which control and/or 8-bit characters
can pass through unscathed -- but also buffering, flow control, and so
on.  The minimum set of prefixed control characters in one direction is
almost never the same as in the other.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
[...]
>    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
>using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
>modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
>goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
>am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)
>

In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need
to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads
to work.

--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit?
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Date: 27 Feb 95 07:57:33 MDT
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In article <3irk39$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
> when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
> Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).
-----------
    Supplementing my previous reply...
    One thing to watch is the sub notebook sized computers. Our
experience has been that some vendors remove vital motherboard hardware
found in all full PCs (the timer chip in particular) and Kermit cannot run.
Such machines are not fully "IBM PC" compatible.
    Finally, please don't use an internal modem. Use an external modem
and avoid much grief from interface design mistakes.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Kermit command-line puzzle
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
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I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the
customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start
kermit this way:

    kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay

value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start
kermit this way:

    kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay

some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'.

I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set
some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions?

--
Kees Hendrikse                                | email:   [e-mail]
                                              |
ECHELON consultancy and software development  | phone: [phone]
PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands  | fax:   [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Help Once Again!
>
> I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
> Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
> cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
> \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the
> same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and
> then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not
> understanding this properly. Can Anyone help?
------------
    There is an easy solution. First, to remove some confusion about
terminology the "Kermit Connect mode escape code" is an ASCII control
code which gets one out of Connect mode. It is not necessarily the ASCII
code for ESC (decimal 27); the default is Control-], decimal 29. Best to
leave SET ESCAPE alone.
    Numbers represented in backslash form can have more than two digits
after the slash, so \271 is decimal 271, not ESC 1. To separate \27 from
the following ASCII 1 use notation  \{27}1. The curly braces restrict
the span of the number-seeker routine which is analyzing the backslash
material. Alternatively, \27\31 does the same job in pure numeric form.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
> In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>   (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>>--------------
>>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>>line.
>
> I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:
>
>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?

No.  But VT320's and above do have a 25th status line.  On VT420's and
above, the 25th line can be used as either a status line (logically a
separate display window) or as part of the main display window.   The
VT420 can also be configured with more lines, for example, a 36-line mode,
but the more dense displays get rather unreadable because the monitor
itself is still the same size as the other low-end VT monitors.

>  b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
>     cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

On the VT420's and above, if you have selected the 25th line to be part
of the main display, then it will scroll with the other 24 lines on the
display.  If you have selected the 25th line to be a status line, then
it will not scroll with the other 24 lines on the display.

The normal behavior for the DEC VT-class terminals if a cursor sequence tries
to place the cursor on any line beyond the end of the main display window
(that is, on the 25th line or below in most cases) is to place the cursor
at the same column position on the last line of the window (the 24th line
in most cases).  As I understand Kermit's behavior, it isn't strictly
compatible with the DEC hardware;  but there are other terminals out there
that do behave similarly to Kermit.

I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is that some of the software is
doing a terminal type query and setting itself up according to what it
receives from that - there's a fair amount of software in the DEC world
that does that (even though you're theoretically supposed to take the
OS's word for the terminal type).

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Murdock)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Joseph Huber) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
> >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>
> --


I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a
multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing,
guess who
it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting himself.
Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited!

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Made a script to start SLIP
Date: 27 Feb 1995 07:27:18 -0800
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Summary: A dialin script that gets the IP number and starts slip
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Hi Folks,

I made a Kermit script that automates dialing into a SLIP server,
taking the IP number it assigns to you, starting SLIP, doing the
routing commands. It even takes care of disconnecting through
killing the slattach process and exiting Kermit.

It is for Linux, but it should work on other Unixes with only slight
changes (esp. in the slattach and route command syntax). I also made
a version for DOS, which I will upload if there is an interest for it.

When using the script, make sure you change the site-specific settings,
such as DIAL BPA (must match an entry in your dial directory).

It asks for your password twice (to guard against typing mistakes) and
remembers it for 'retry', this is a macro that restarts the script,
needed if you hit a busy signal.

Please let me know if you find any flaws, or have other comments.

--Roland Kwee          <[e-mail]>
-------------------------------------


#!/usr/bin/kermit
# slip.bpa   Roland Kwee   Jan. 12, 1995
# Kermit or shell script or to log in and make a SLIP connection.
# Usage: kermit -y slip.bpa, or simply: ./slip.bpa
#      or, if the .kermrc inits bother you: ./slip.bpa -Y
# Tested: Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190)-1994
#         Shiva LanRover/8E, version 3.0.1

####################################################################
# COPYRIGHT (C) 1995 BY ROLAND KWEE ([e-mail]).
# USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE WHO ARE
# LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO RUN KERMIT:)
# USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK!
####################################################################

# for debugging:
set input echo on # show modem chat
log session log # store i/o data to file
#log debug log    # store i/o data and Kermit internal data to file
#set take echo on # show lines of this script
#set take error on # terminate script on syntax or execution errors
#set macro echo on
#set macro error on

assign retry take \v(cmdfile) # Note: GOTO won't work here.

if = \Flength(\%p) 0 goto ask
if equal \%p \%x goto dial
:ask

assign %d /dev/ttyS2 # device, line
assign %s 38400      # bitrate modem<-RS232->computer
assign %h bpa8       # host name as in the dialing directory
assign %u Roland     # Username
#      %p password
#      %x scratch
#      %r remote IP
#      %l local IP

# Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed.
set line \%d # Don't ask password if the line isn't free.
if failure stop 1 Serial port is not available.
echo About to make a SLIP connection to: \%h
echo User: \%u
askq \%p Password:
askq \%x Re-type the password:
if not equal \%p \%x stop 1 You misspelled it. Start over.

:dial

# Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed.
#echo About to make a SLIP connection to system: \%h
#echo User: \%u
#askq \%p Password:
#askq \%x Re-type the password:
#if not equal \%p \%x end 1 You misspelled it. Start over.

# Initialize my Kermit and modem:
#take /usr/kermit/kermrc
set modem hayes
set carrier auto
#run /usr/kermit/localtty \%d
# slattach/dip may have left the serial port in raw mode, clean up:
run stty sane <\%d
set line  \%d
set speed \%s
set dial dial-command atdt%s\13 # Assumes TOUCH-TONE phone line.
set dial directory /usr/kermit/dial.dir # Kermit's phone book.
set dial display on # ON or OFF at your convenience.
#set dial prefix 9 # For dialing from the BPA phone system.
set dial init-string AT&FL0M0&H3S7=90S40=124\13
set flow-control rts/cts
set dial mnp-enable on
set dial timeout 90
set input case ignore
set input silence 0 # Just observe the timeouts specified in the script.
echo Kermit setup done.

# Dial.
dial \%h
if failure end 1 Could not connect with the remote modem. Try 'retry' later

# Clear the input buffer. It is a 256-byte circular buffer.
echo Dialing done.
clear

# Get a prompt. Sometimes you need to press Enter more than once.
wait 5 # Wait a little before starting with asking for a shell prompt.
echo \13Waiting done.\13
output \13
input 1 Userid:
xif failure {echo \13retry1\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
xif failure {echo \13retry2\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
xif failure {echo \13retry3\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
if failure end 1 No username prompt at remote system.

# Username.
wait 2
echo \13Waiting done(username)\13
output \%u\13
input 5 Password?
if failure end 1 No password prompt at remote system.

# Password.
#wait 1
echo \13Waiting done(password)\13
output \%p\13
input 5 >
if failure end 1 No shell prompt at remote system. Login refused?

# Protocol.
wait 1
output slip\13

# Remote IP address.
input 5 {My address is }
if failure end 1 (My address is)
clear input-buffer
input 5 \,
if failure end 1 (My address is...)
assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr
assign \%r \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x)

# Local IP address.
input 5 {Your address is }
if failure end 1 (Your address is)
clear input-buffer
input 5 \,
if failure end 1 (Your address is...)
assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr
assign \%l \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x)

# Guard against programming errors in this script before launching slattach.
if < \Flength(\%l) 4 end 1 Invalid local IP
if < \Flength(\%r) 4 end 1 Invalid remote IP

# Change the line discipline to SLIP.
run /sbin/slattach -v -p slip -s \%s \%d &
wait 5 # There is no way to find out when slattach is done.
# Configure the SLIP interface.
run /sbin/ifconfig sl0 \%l pointopoint \%r netmask 255.255.0.0 mtu 1006
# Add to the routing table.
run /sbin/route add -net       53.1.0.0   sl0
run /sbin/route add default gw 53.1.1.2   sl0
#run /sbin/route add -net       53.160.0.0 sl0

# Test the new SLIP connection.
run ping -c 1 53.1.1.2 # test IP
#because of slattach, the INPUT won't work anymore
#input 30 {1 packets received}
#if not failure echo SLIP CONNECTION WORKS
run ping -c 1 brick.bpa.gov # test DNS

# Note that now slattach controls the port. Kermit is only needed so that
# the lock file isn't stale.
# The modem will hangup when both Kermit and Slattach are killed.
# The method below uses the SUSPEND command, so it only works with
# login shells that have job control. Most Bourne shells don't work.
echo +=========================+
echo | Use 'fg' to disconnect. |
echo +=========================+
set suspend on
suspend # Put Kermit in the background.

# Starting point after 'fg'.
run killslattach \%d
wait 2
run stty sane <\%d
exit # This puts Kermit away.

============================ End of Kermit script. ================

This is what the killslattach script should look like:
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------
#!/bin/sh
# killslattach, to kill the slattach background job
# Roland Kwee   Jan. 13, 1995
# This script takes one command-line argument: the device file.
set -x

# Function to parse the first word, containing the PID
f(){ PID=$1 }

PS=`ps|grep slattach.*$1|grep -v grep`
#echo process: $PS
f $PS
kill -INT $PID # This kills slattach and restores the line mode.

# Further normalize the serial line.
localtty /dev/ttyS2
stty sane </dev/ttyS2
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------

This is what the localtty program looks like:
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------
/* localtty.c   Roland Kwee   Feb. 12, 1995
   Build with: gcc -o localtty localtty.c
   Usage: localtty /dev/ttyS2
   This program sets the CLOCAL flag without which on some systems
   Kermit's SET LINE  would not work.
 */
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <termios.h>
#include <unistd.h>

void syserr(char *s){
    fprintf(stderr, "system error: %s\n", s);
    exit(-1);
}

main(int argc, char *argv[]){
    int fd;
    struct termios tbuf;

    if(argc<2){
        fprintf(stderr, "localtty <dev>\n");
        exit(-1);
    }

    fd=open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
    if(fd== -1){
        fprintf(stderr, "Could not open device: %s\n", argv[1]);
        exit(-1);
    }

    if(tcgetattr(fd, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcgetattr()");
    tbuf.c_cflag |= CLOCAL;
    if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcsetattr()");

    exit(0);
}
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
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[e-mail] wrote:
:  How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.

My guess is that you have not removed prefixing from any control
characters.  This is being discussed in some other threads, and it is in
the distribution files.  I get 1060 cps with the default (all codes
prefixed) and close to 1500 with a small set of prefixes.




--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Korty)
Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
>recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
>the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
>upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
>I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
>as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
>those concerning control character prefixing.
>
>    Tito

Yes, I've had exactly that happen with me, too.  Although the Purdue
University Computing Center refuses to agree with me, I find that the
necessary control prefixing for my configuration is to prefix none of
the characters when downloading, but to prefix character 255 when
uploading.  I don't know what this character means, so I have dubbed
it the "send-three-packets-and-die character," because that is the
command it seems to send to the terminal server.

Unfortunately, the way I solved this problem was by trial and error.
I just prefixed all the characters, and then unprefixed them one by
one until I got an error.  So, this rather tedious solution is the one
I suggest.  Good luck!

Andy

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From: Greg Mouning <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
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Hello,

I just downloaded a copy of Kermit for Windows and it works
very well.  Terminal emulation and file transfers were successful.
Finally, a true (native) Windows version of Kermit.

According to the manual Wayne Warthen says:

The following limitations exist in the current version of Kermit for
Windows:

    *    There is no scripting facility yet.
    *    There is no ability to direct terminal output to a
        printer yet.
    *    File handling options are currently very limited. All
        received files overlay existing files and files are always
        downloaded to the current directory.
    *    No session logging capabilities exist yet.

Even without these features I find this to be a very good package.

Thanks Mr. Warthen, I look forward to your improvements.

Greg Mouning
[e-mail]

 On 20 Feb 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

> In article <3i2ru6$[e-mail]>,
> Leila Burrell-Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
> >% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
> >% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
> >% message:
> >
> >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
> >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
> >last time I looked.)
>
> There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version
> of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from:
> kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip  (16 bit) and
> kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip  (32 bit NT).
>
> It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions
> appear to be there.  I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues
> that affect this version later.  At the moment the only restriction
> on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original
> files together.
>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
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In article <3ig0n5$[e-mail]>,
John Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
>If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
>command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
>requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
>the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
>have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
>logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
>you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
>running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
>PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
>else...
>                    John Chandler

    Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes
again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help
someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand
IBM experience. Having made that warning...

    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
feed.
    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

    Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not
worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning
to store my password on any machine, local or remote.
    So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate
this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion
insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can
get it for the UNIX system?
    Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I
managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To
anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies
also. I appreciate your time.)
--
The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them,
but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity.
- Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP
key/info}  [e-mail]  http://www.teleport.com/~sysone

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i9mq4$[e-mail]>,
Ethan J. Rasiel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind:
>
>1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site?
>
Yes, if one uses an ftpmail server to gain access to ftp sites
via E-mail.
>
>2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text
>file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site,
>it was really only 10 megs.  uuencoded files increase in size
>similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7.
>
Sounds to me like the person uploading the file(s) forgot to set
his/her ftp program to image or binary mode before uploading the
file(s).  This would most definitely result in larger uploaded files
than the originals.  You'd have to look thru the RFC's to find the conventions
for ftp ASCII transfers in order to reverse them.  Even then, I'm afraid,
it would be a lost cause as, as Professor Dupnik says, the high-bit of
characters would be chopped off.

I'd notify the keepers of the various ftp sites of the broken files
so said files can be zapped!

Good luck!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it!

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
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Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
Date: 24 Feb 1995 13:21:11 -0800
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>In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
>>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>    Yes, it's status line.

Question: Which terminal from DEC first had the 25th line?

The VT100 did not have it; it was limited to 24 lines only.
Same for the VT102, VT105, VT106, VT125, VT180.

I'm not sure if the VT220 had it, but I'm fairly sure that the VT3xx
and VT4xx terminals do.

  (Technical nit pick: Actually, the VT100 could display more than
  just 24 lines; it could display 23 and 2 halves.  During smooth
  scrolling, the bottom half of the previous line 1 would be visible,
  lines 2-24 fully visible, and the top half of the new line 25 just
  starting to come into view.  But since this was a transient condition,
  it doesn't count as a full 25 lines on screen at the same time.)

    -Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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[e-mail] (Scott Murdock) writes:
>(Joseph Huber) wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB]
>last night (a sad attempt at a
>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess
>who it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting
>himself.  Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was
>discredited!

In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully
incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life
Benchmarks" is beyond me.

--
Joe Huber
[e-mail]
817-557-3186

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From: [e-mail] (Ron Burkett)
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Subject: what talk program to use with kemit
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I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying to
find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock
applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State.  I really don't know
anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information
even if its quite broad will help.  Oh....and i'm refering to talk
programs...not irc.

-thanks

-Ron Burkett
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From: [e-mail] (Michael J. Mettler)
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Subject: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
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I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics'), but a friend of
mine claims to be getting twice that (with same CPU, connecting
to the same Unix machine, the same software, and the same modem
speed (though a different brand)).  I've looked at his kermit
initialization files and they seem the same as mine.  Any
ideas?

Thanks.

Michael J. Mettler

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before...
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When I need to receive zmodem during an MS-Kermit session, I escape to
control mode and call macro "sz" which contains "run zmodem ..."
according to the instructions that came with the zmodem program.  I
saw a suggestion to define a key to call the macro if you use it often.

--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:54:45 GMT
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In article <3im6is$[e-mail]>,
Michael J. Mettler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
>
If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files),
that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection,
no matter what protocol you use.  You evidently have already
tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be
directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject.

>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
>
Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
rate.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: what talk program to use with kemit
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In article <[e-mail]>, Ron Burkett <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying
>to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock
>applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State.  I really don't know
>anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information
>even if its quite broad will help.
>
Kermit gives you a terminal emulator to a host or service.  The talk
application is on the host or service that you are connecting to with Kermit.
Fancy ones divide the screen into two (or more) windows, one for each party.
To do this, they send screen-control escape sequences to the terminal --
in this case to Kermit.  So the only things you need to know are (a) what
talk applications are available on your host or service (which you would
find out from your local support people at IUP), and (b) how to make sure
your host or service is using a terminal type, such as VT100 or VT320,
that is supported by Kermit.

Kermit's VT emulation is excellent, so talk clients that exercise advanced
VT terminal features will work better with Kermit than with most other
emulators.

Talk clients generally have names like "talk", "chat", or "phone".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3iqqgd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In article <3ioq50$[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>>: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>>: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>>: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>>
>>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
>>protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.
>>
>>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
>>friend is seeing.
>>
>  How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.
> What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and
> Kermit reports 20% efficiency.
> [e-mail]
-----------------
    Two possibilities come to mind, assuming that you have reviewed
the advice given in the distribution material (if not get the MSK 3.14
set binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu).
    First, you may not be using sliding windows. SET WINDOW 4 is a nice
value, on both ends of the conversation.
    Second, the other end has to play along, and you don't indicate
what it might be. If it is say ancient Kermit-32 then run, don't walk,
to your system administrator and get C Kermit 5A(190) installed on that
VAX. [Grab from above, directory kermit/c-kermit, stuff is ready to go
for many systems.] If the other end is a BBS of some kind then the quality
of the Kermit program there is often (too often) pretty terrible, and we
do offer "the real thing" as MSK-LITE for BBS use.
    As a reminder about modem numbers, that 38,400 bps value is the
maximum rate at which data flows between the modem and the computer,
irrespective of the data rate on the telco wires. If the modems connect
at say 2400 bps then that's the bottleneck. Also, Kermit doesn't know
what the telco speed happens to be, so the efficiency value is computed at
the modem<->computer data rate; inflate by the ratio of local/telco bps.
For example, a 9600 bps connection and a 38,400 bps "DTE" speed would yield
an apparent efficiency of 25% (38400 / 9600 = 4) under ideal conditions.
    I can't say more without knowing what's on the other end of the wire.

    May I also remind readers to grab the list's FAQ which is file
FAQ.TXT (upper case) in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Many
questions are pre-answered in it.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: VT emulation  problems
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In article <3iqsam$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out
> to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set  terminal as KERMIT. I have
> comm software which  uses MSKERM314.
>
>
> Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all:
> I only see codes on the screen.
> Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct
> this problem.
>
> I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things:
> Term video writing: direct
> display: regular, 7-bits
> term controls: 7-bits
> term code-page: CP437
--------------
    You have the "medium" edition which is shrunk in size by omitting
those features above. Please do read the docs accompanying the distribution.
Grab the quick-start distribution binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from
kermit.columbia.edu. For all features use the full edition.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Morris)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 15:55:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER) writes:

>    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
>log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
>competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
>remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
>TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
>to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
>feed.
>    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
>system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
>For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
>my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
>    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
>line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
>trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
>characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
>my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
>characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
>    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
>allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

The problem is that (if you're using the IBM TCP/IP program) it
doesn't cleanly handle a typical UNIX remote host connection if
the distant machine is doing anything other than generic TTY
emulation.  In particular, there is no mechanism for the remote
system to send screen orders (cursor addressing, highlight, clear
screen, etc.) and there is no mechanism to tell the distant host
when you use a local editing key such as cursor up/down/left/right
or edit/delete.  The remote system is reading the terminal type that
your local TELNET command sent is during option negotiation when
you established the connection, but finds nothing in its TERMCAP
(or TERMINFO) data base to tell it what to do.  The buffering mode
used by 327x terminals also conflicts with the full-duplex character
mode expected by UNIX (and other) systems.

If your IBM host is running VM, there is a rework of the TELNET
interface that was done by a user and provides at least the
ability to respond to VT100 screen orders that are sent by
the distant UNIX host.  I'm no longer in the IBM mainframe world
and can't remember the name of the person who did it, but if you
check with the IBM sysprog at your shop ask him to look around
on VMSHARE for references.  The work may have been done at CUNY.
If he doesn't have access to VMSHARE ask him to check with other
contacts in SHARE; if the shop doesn't belong to SHARE, or if
the IBM system is running MVS/TSO, I can't help you.

Joe Morris / MITRE

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
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Subject: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:49:29 -0500
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I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters
out a com port with the "Output" command.  But it seems to be a full
order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write"
commands.  Am I doing something wrong?  (I have tried "set output pacing"
without success.)

Thanks in advance

marshall


--
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- [e-mail]]

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From: [e-mail] (3/06)z)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:50:13 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

:-)    I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back
:-) to  kermit  command  mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters
:-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can  I
:-) get the scan code of my keyboard?


    By the way, I have another question related to the escape
character.

    I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But,
every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen.
How can I supress it ?

    I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit
will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that.  I want to set Ctrl-F10
as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.)
Any idea ?


Regards,
Chan Wai Ming.
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
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In article <3ip18p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
> I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters
> out a com port with the "Output" command.  But it seems to be a full
> order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write"
> commands.  Am I doing something wrong?  (I have tried "set output pacing"
> without success.)
----------
    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
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In article <3iq0ul$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (3/06)z) writes:
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> :-)    I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back
> :-) to  kermit  command  mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters
> :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can  I
> :-) get the scan code of my keyboard?
>
>
>     By the way, I have another question related to the escape
> character.
>
>     I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But,
> every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen.
> How can I supress it ?
>
>     I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit
> will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that.  I want to set Ctrl-F10
> as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.)
> Any idea ?
----------------
    The "escape" key from Connect mode is a regular ASCII control code.
Special IBM-PC keyboard items such as Control F10 are not accepted, nor is
even F10. However, keyboard verb \Kexit does the same job and can be
assigned to whichever key combination you wish; by default this is assigned
to ALT-x. Pressing the "escape" key brings down a short menu offering to take
action depending on the next key pressed.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:33:18 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
>    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.

Let me then rephrase my question.  I'm interested in using ms-kermit to
send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay
except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control.  Any suggestions?

Thanks!

marshall
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From: [e-mail]
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In article <3ioq50$[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
>Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>
>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
>protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.
>
>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
>friend is seeing.
>
 How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.
What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and
Kermit reports 20% efficiency.
[e-mail]






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The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out
to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set  terminal as KERMIT. I have
comm software which  uses MSKERM314.


Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all:
I only see codes on the screen.
Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct
this problem.

I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things:
Term video writing: direct
display: regular, 7-bits
term controls: 7-bits
term code-page: CP437

Thanks for for any help.


[e-mail]






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hi,

    i am using ms-kermit 3.14.  is there a command for use in a script which
    will wait for something, other than a certain amount of time?

    i am trying to connect from my pc to and annex terminal server through an
    adi box.  my problem is that sometimes it takes several seconds for the
    annex to respond.  right now i have a script that waits for several
    seconds, but if the annex does not respond, it connects anyway.  i am only
    modifing the original script, and did not write it.

    thanks in advance.

                                                Ryan Hope

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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Subject: Hardware for ms-kermit?
Date: 27 Feb 1995 04:23:05 -0000
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What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).

Will a 286 do it?

//Markus


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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Hulbert)
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Hello Kermit People,

I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit.  I want to automate a connection from
my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps:

1)  Set serial line and speed
2)  connect

at this point I am connected to a spider

3)  open hayes
4)  atdtnnnnnnnn   (nnnnnnnn being the phone number)
5)  login when connected (optional)



It is the spider port which is the problem.  Kermit 'script' text appears to
assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts).

One thought I had was to connect via 'cu' first, then switch to using kermit.
I've tried this as follows:

1) cu to the remote machine and do a kermit -r
2) do a ~!sh to get back to my machine
3) remove the /usr/spool/uucp/LCK files
4) kermit setting line and speed
5) send a file

Unfortunately, I just get %T%T%T% rather than the file transfer. If I do
a connect though, that works.

Any ideas?


Steve.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit?
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In article <3irk39$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
> when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
> Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).
>
> Will a 286 do it?
-------------
    An 8088 XT (without hard disk too) will do for MS-DOS Kermit.
It's not Kermit that constrains your choices but rather the other things
you will do with the machine. Given the low cost of motherboards it is
difficult to recommend anything less than a 486.
    Joe D.

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From: H. D. Knoble <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
says:

>In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
>writes:
>>
>> Hi, Kermiteers!
>>
>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
>> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
>> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
>-----------
>        That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
>        A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
>        Joe D.
Joe,  Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not
      compatible?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit and spider ports
Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:00:55 GMT
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In article <3j4iaf$[e-mail]>,
Stephen Hulbert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit.
>
You mean Columbia University's C-Kermit 4E(072) from 1989, which HP
was distributing with HP-UX through version 9.xx.  The current version of
C-Kermit is 5A(190).

>I want to automate a connection from
>my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps:
>...
>It is the spider port which is the problem.  Kermit 'script' text appears to
>assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts).
>
The current version of C-Kermit has a full-blown script programming language
that will let you do anything you want, including multi-stage connection
processes like the one you describe.

Please upgrade to the current version of C-Kermit, consult the documentation
about how to write script programs, and then if you have any further problems,
contact technical support in the normal fashion.  To get C-Kermit 5A(190):

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make linux
  make solaris2x
  make hpux90

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (J. Patrick Harrington)
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Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
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    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
with an various external modems and serial links to unix
boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
will work?  Someone suggested that I shoud try another
communications program, as these modems are supposed to
work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas.

                     Pat Harrington


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Garcia)
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Greetings :))

    Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit
for windows?  I 'd appreciate any and all help.

--
M    M    A    RRRRR    K     K
MM\   /MM      A A      R    R  K    K
M  M M  M     A   A     R   R   K   K
M   M   M    A     A    R---    K KK
M   +   M   A ===== A   R   R   K   K
M       M   A       A   R    R  K    K
M       M   A       A   R    R  K    K

Address:
    Mark Garcia
    Binghamton University
E-Mail: [e-mail]

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My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus
output atdt7414444/13

but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the
modem's sound, by having it type "atm."  But I can't seem to get it to do
both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13.  Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
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Subject: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14?
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a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Subject: Why can't I use 14.4K
Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:43:32 GMT
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Hi,
I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags
    gmake sunos41gcc \
   "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR"

and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have

   set speed 14400

then kermit complains

   ?Unsupported line speed - 14400

If I type 'set speed ?' I get:

set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua0 in bits per
second, one of the following:
 110                1200               14400              150
 19200              200                2400               28800
 300                3600               38400              4800
 50                 57600              600                7200

When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message

 To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
 Can't change speed to 14400
 Call complete.

Mind you, it's just an annoyance, everything works fine.

Any idea? I my tty port setup screwed up?

Thanks,

/* Amir J. Katz         email:   [e-mail]               */
/* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL                   */
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:17:59 GMT
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In article <3iuib4$[e-mail]>, Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
>is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
>thanks, gideon


Hebrew modes are built into the standard distributions of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
and OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190) and above.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:22:34 GMT
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In article <3j4p34$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message
>
> To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
> Can't change speed to 14400
> Call complete.
>

While C-Kermit supports a line speed of 14400, it is not universally
supported by all hardware.  This is probably the case with your Sun.

On the other hand, since everything works fine without the line speed
switch it means that your modem is not changing the line speed to 14400,
so neither should C-Kermit.

Use:
    set dial speed-matching off

to disable the speed switch.




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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In article <[e-mail]>, Michael Pollak <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus
> output atdt7414444/13
>
> but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the
> modem's sound, by having it type "atm."  But I can't seem to get it to do
> both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13.  Any suggestions
> would be appreciated.
-----------------
    AT commands are terminated with a carriage return, the \13 you
see above. Notice that you've typed the slash the wrong way. You can
simply add another output command to send  atm\13.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, H. D. Knoble <[e-mail]> writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
> says:
>
>>In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
>>writes:
>>>
>>> Hi, Kermiteers!
>>>
>>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
>>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
>>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
>>> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
>>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
>>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
>>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
>>> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
>>-----------
>>        That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
>>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
>>        A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
>>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
>>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
>>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
>>        Joe D.
> Joe,  Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not
>       compatible?
--------
    I said what I said above. I haven't the slightest idea of what
"compatible" means in this circumstance. But it does not take an advanced
degree to understand the troubles which an ensue to comms programs if the
machine is taken out of action for extended milliseconds to chat with disk.
In a general sense, the fewer things loaded on the machine the fewer troubles
one is likely to have.
    Joe D.

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Thank you to those who E-Mailed me. I downloaded the C-Kermit
source and recompiled it since the premade binary was the one
giving me trouble. However, Kermit would not even compile with
ncurses 1.8.6, which was what I had. It turned out that 1.8.7
is out now and that did the trick.


BTW the problem was that the scrolling would lock up after a full
screen (thermometer) type file transfer was completed. I ran "reset"
to return it to normal. With the new ncurses this problem has vanished.


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From: Madhu Raj Koka <[e-mail]>
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Subject: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem
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Hi Guys,

I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me.

I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.

Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.

On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) :
--------------------------------------------------------------
C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/tty, speed: -1, mode: remote, modem-dialer: direct
 Bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none
Terminal emulation: 7 bits

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout:               10        7
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90       90
 Length Limit:        2048     1024

File parameters:
 File Names:   converted      Debugging Log:    none
 File Type:    binary         Packet Log:       none
 File Warning: off            Session Log:      none
 File Display: on             Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete File Disposition: discard, Init file: .kermrc
--------------------------------------------------------------

On my PC I tried to "match" these parameters in kermit options. But
no use for binary transfer !

Any thoughts are appreciated.

madhu

PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
at what settings. )

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Help Once Again!

I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the
same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and
then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not
understanding this properly. Can Anyone help?

P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to do
that.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:05:55 GMT
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In article <3jdiod$[e-mail]>,
J. Patrick Harrington <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
>with an various external modems and serial links to unix
>boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
>Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
>the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
>Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
>will work?  Someone suggested that I shoud try another
>communications program, as these modems are supposed to
>work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas.
>
There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software
will work with this (or any other) particular combination.
Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so
idiosyncratic that they work only with special software
that has been specifically adapted for them.  Some don't
work at all.

Having said that, it is still quite likely that you can
make this combination work by (a) following whatever
directions come with your modem to eliminate address and/or
interrupt conflicts (good luck), and (b) upgrading from
MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 to 3.14, and (c) reading section 6 of
the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

Let's face it -- the PC was never designed to handle all
the responsibilities that have been foisted upon it over
the last 10 years.  The average PC of today is overladen
with memory, CD-ROM drives, Sound Blasters, network boards,
serial ports, mice, internal data/fax boards, and who knows
what else -- more devices than there are interrupts to
handle them and drivers all sharing the same memory and
pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and
so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is
going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or
mismatches, or worse.  It's a miracle that PCs work at all.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:13:06 GMT
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In article <3iuib4$[e-mail]>, Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
>is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
>
Yes, an even greater one.  Just look in the HEBREW directory of MS-DOS
3.14 Kermit diskette (or ZIP file).  Some of the improvements in v3.14
include: a public domain Hebrew font is packaged on the diskette, automatic
switching of keyboard modes (English / Hebrew) is supported with a complete
Hebrew key map provided, etc, and there is now thorough documentation in
the HEBREW.DOC file.  Here is the READ.ME file from the HEBREW directory:

USING MS-DOS KERMIT WITH THE HEBREW ALPHABET

This directory contains the supplementary Hebrew files for MS-DOS Kermit:

   READ.ME      - This file
   HEBREW.DOC   - Documentation of Kermit's Hebrew features
   HEBREW.INI   - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit
   HEBREW.HLP   - Short explanation of HEBREW.INI
   CP862.TBL    - IBM PC Hebrew code page table
   ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table
   HEBREW7.TBL  - Hebrew-7 table
   KEYMAP.PS    - PostScript picture of Hebrew keyboard layout

For details, read the HEBREW.DOC file.  The associated Hebrew font is
in the PCFONTS directory, and the HFONT macro loads the Hebrew font.
The font requires EGA, VGA, or higher graphics adapter.

  NOTE: Hebrew support works best when used on a normal 25x80 screen.
  See PCFONTS\READ.ME for further information.

(End of READ.ME)




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From: [e-mail] (Robert Witmer)
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Subject: Missing tail end of session.log?
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I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have
a kermit script file.  It starts out with

log session

and when I review the log and watch the screen I can
see everything except the last few commands of the script.

Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers
which are displaying the logs and the interactive session?

I have at the end of the script,

# Last few things to do...
...  <- a few commands to run on remote system.
clear
#Now logout from remote system.
output logout\13
pause 5
hangup
quit

I see most of the session, down to those last few commands,
but I don't see all of those last few commands.  The script
just returns and the last part of the log is missing.

Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.

-Bob Witmer


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:22:36 GMT
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In article <3j4p34$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags
>    gmake sunos41gcc \
>   "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR"
>
>and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have
>   set speed 14400
>then kermit complains
>   ?Unsupported line speed - 14400
>
The reason the sunos41xxx makefile entries do not define the symbols
-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K is that the underlying operating system
(SunOS 4.1.x) does not support these speeds.  Look in
/usr/include/sys/ttydev.h and you can see for yourself.

You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering
(most modern modems do).  Just set the modem's interface speed to
38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there,
then tell C-Kermit to "set speed 38400", "set dial speed-matching
off".  Also be sure to use RTS/CTS flow control.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:27:54 GMT
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In article <3j4v1t$[e-mail]>,
Madhu Raj Koka  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
>my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.
>Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
>On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
>is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.
>...
>PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
>at what settings. )
>
That's the ticket.  You should also be running a more recent version of
Kermit on the HP -- version 4E is also very old stuff.

In any case, it should be sufficient to tell both Kermit programs to
"set file type binary" -- that should ensure correct binary-mode transfers
in both directions.  For further information, please consult the manuals,
and also the sections on binary transfers in the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

If you still have trouble after that, send email to [e-mail]
describing the problem in detail.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Missing tail end of session.log?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:31:18 GMT
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In article <3ivad8$[e-mail]>,
Robert Witmer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have
>a kermit script file.  It starts out with
>  log session
>and when I review the log and watch the screen I can
>see everything except the last few commands of the script.
>Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers
>which are displaying the logs and the interactive session?
>
CLOSE SESSION?

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping
Date: 6 Mar 1995 18:27:34 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
>Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
>cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
>\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt.
>
As shown in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", 2nd edition, p.211,
Table 17-2, "MS-DOS Kermit Backslash Notation", the way to do this is:

  set key \nnn \{27}1

Otherwise, Kermit has no way of knowing what you mean.  You could
also use:

  set key \nnn \27\48

>P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to
>do that.
>
There is still time.  Send email containing your complete postal address to
[e-mail].

- Frank

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Subject: It's been asked a million times before...
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But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago)

how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
this?

thank you in advance

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From: [e-mail] (George D. Hadden)
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Subject: funny new Bios2 option
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i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old
one did.

in response to:

    set port 2

kermit responds:

    This port operates through the Bios

and, in response to:

    set speed 19200

kermit responds:

    Unimplemented baud rate

neither of these responses occured before.  the modem actually WILL respond
at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!).  this bios
thing bothers me though.  kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through
Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1.  (this may be a result of my
newly installed windows for workgroups.  i'm NOT networked, however.)

any idea what's going on?

thanks in advance,

-geo
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system
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In article <3ivo01$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on
> a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking
> cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem,
> hardware-handshaking operation.
>
> It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down
> or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is
> wired through to DCD on the Unixware side.
>
> However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script
> connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character.
>
> Is there any way to test for this situation and exit cleanly
> with an error message if this occurs?
>
> set flow rts/cts
> SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
> SET CARRIER ON 1
> SET QUIET ON
> ; \%a was 4,
> def \%a 4
> echo
> echo Attempting to connect to Common Ground...
> :tryagain
> set line /dev/tty\%a
    Perhaps you would do better with the hardware flow control port
    /dev/tty00h or equivalent.
        As Frank has commented extensively, Unix has rotten serial comms
support and the system may well not do hardware flow control properly nor
easily. I recall that my UW 1.1.3 system does RTS/CTS control ok with the
"h" port. You should also play with the SET CARRIER option to get around
sensing and waiting for it in the initial stages of things. I wish I could
help more but I avoid modems on my Unix machine.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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Subject: How to debug Kermit scripts?
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I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling.

Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial
command?

Eg.  connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, where I could
type the responses by myself?

How to do that?

Any pointers?

Thanks a lot!

Daniel



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From [e-mail] Sun Mar  5 23:35:15 1995
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From: Michael Pollak <[e-mail]>
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Subject line says it all, as it has been doubtless said before.  Thanks
for your help.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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By WWW, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

Can't find my notes for anonymous ftp address, but I think it was
kermit.columbia.edu
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: funny new Bios2 option
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (George D. Hadden) writes:
>
> i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old
> one did.
>
> in response to:
>
>     set port 2
>
> kermit responds:
>
>     This port operates through the Bios

    Then, as the Kermit docs explain, it failed to pass muster as a
real legit serial port. Hence the Bios is used and that is a terrible
pathway. In short, the modem isn't working properly, and with PCMCIA
that is not unusual. I recommend you chat with the vendors involved.

> and, in response to:
>
>     set speed 19200
>
> kermit responds:
>
>     Unimplemented baud rate
>
> neither of these responses occured before.  the modem actually WILL respond
> at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!).  this bios
> thing bothers me though.  kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through
> Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1.  (this may be a result of my
> newly installed windows for workgroups.  i'm NOT networked, however.)
    Sure, the networking is available if you have the underlying network
stack. That's all it means.
    Joe D.

> any idea what's going on?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> -geo
> ---
> George D. Hadden, Research Fellow [phone](voice), [phone](fax)
> Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418
> [e-mail]
>

From [e-mail] Mon Mar  6 17:26:07 1995
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From: David Coons <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ
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> I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
> If so how would I be able to obtain it.

Try ftp://kermit.columbia.edu//kermit/e/faq.txt

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem
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In article <3j4v1t$[e-mail]>, Madhu Raj Koka <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me.
>
> I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
> my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.

    Yup, ancient, and we don't support ProComm.

> Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
> On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
> is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.
>
> On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters:

    Oh my. That is truely ancient. Please, oh please, update the HP
to use C Kermit 5A(190).

> PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
> at what settings. )

    a) You must be joking. b) Please do read the manual and the release
docs. We have taken pains to pre-answer the question.
    Good luck with the new toy(s, when you get C Kermit too).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Querubin)
Subject: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP?
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The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet
redirector called COMTCP.  While I have been able to get it to work with
some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them.  I've tried
specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and
neither works.  Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with
COMTCP?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
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Hi, Kermiteers!

Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
*not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
and GETs or RECEIVEs?

Thanks in advance.

--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it!

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
craig szczublewski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
>on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
>only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
>an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
>macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
>this?

In the C-Kermit 5A(190) distribution there is a ckurzsz.ini script which
does this kind of thing.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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Subject: Made SLIP script for DOS
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Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although
it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following
reasons:

1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the
packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution)
in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to
BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt
to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP,
use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote
slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either
FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by
issuing a series of SET TCP/IP  commands.

2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software
such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers
to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you
should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise.

3) For netsurfing, I would suggest forget about DOS/Windows and
use Linux or FreeBSD. Due to the sophistication of DOS/Win, these are
almost as good as Unix, and at least as complex to set up. The free
Unixes have also a lower price, and more and better versions of ftp,
Mosaic, lynx, mail, news, etc (better price/quality ratio). A week or
so ago I posted a Kermit script to start SLIP on Linux.

4) Note that the script below does NOT have the automatic login
and redial features from my Linux script. If you want those, just
copy them from the Linux script (and modify to suit). You do not
need the slattach and route sections from the Linux script.

OK, if you still use DOS, here is the kermit script.

Good Luck, Roland    <[e-mail]>
--

; slipbpa.tak    Roland Kwee   Feb 8, 1995
; Make sure you study the script and change things according
; to your com port, modem, phone#, etc.

echo Setting up Kermit for SLIP

set port com1

; use the highest speed to communicate with the modem, to
; keep up with compressed data rates:
set speed 38400

echo Initializing the BlackBox modem 32144.

; reset modem to factory defaults, echo on, full responses, answer:
output at&fe1x4s0=1\13
pause 1

; turn the annoying speaker off:
:output atl0m0\13

; hardware flow control (required for slip):
output at\Q1S7=90\13
set flow-control RTS/CTS

; Network settings (verify with your system administrator):
set tcp/ip address 1.1.20.90
set tcp/ip broadcast 1.1.255.255
set tcp/ip subnetmask 255.255.0.0
set tcp/ip primary-nameserver 1.160.11.34
set tcp/ip gateway 1.1.1.2
set tcp/ip domain net.surf.gov

; Make connection, the entry must be in the file DIALUPS.TXT:
dial slipprovider

; Handle the other side manually. Could be automated.
connect

; When the modems connect: log in, start the remote slip, escape
; back to your local Kermit prompt.

; If you want to run Mosaic or some other application than Kermit
; over the SLIP connection, uncomment this exit:
; exit

; If you want to use Kermit to telnet into a remote host over SLIP,
; this section does that:

; Change from dialin mode to telnet mode using the packet-driver interrupt:
set port tcp/ip
; If no name server is running, use the numeric form:
;set tcp/ip host cpu.domain.gov
set tcp/ip host 1.160.1.254
; In telnet mode, flow control is not needed.
set flow none
connect

; To end the SLIP session and hangup the phone, just start Kermit
; again, but not in telnet mode, and issue the HANGUP command from
; the KErmit command prompt.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Bell
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In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman) writes:
>
> Hi, Kermiteers!
>
> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
-----------
    That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
    A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system
Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:18:37 GMT
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In article <3ivo01$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on
> a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking
> cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem,
> hardware-handshaking operation.
>
> It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down
> or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is
> wired through to DCD on the Unixware side.
>
> However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script
> connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character.
>
In other words DTR is up, which is wired to DCD on the UnixWare
side, so the SET LINE (open) succeeds, but you can't send a character
because you are not getting its RTS signal, which is cross-wired to
CTS.  How about this:

  WAIT 10 CTS
  IF FAIL STOP 1 Flow control deadlock

I'm not certain that modem-signal support is available in the
UnixWare version of C-Kermit, but it is, this should do the trick.
If it isn't, maybe it can be added if the underlying support is
there in OS.  To check, just type "show modem" at the UnixWare
C-Kermit> prompt.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to debug Kermit scripts?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:15:31 GMT
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In article <3jfstk$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling.
>Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial
>command?  Eg.  connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty,
>where I could type the responses by myself?
>
There are many ways to do this.  First, you should do by hand whatever
it is that you want to automate, and LOG SESSION during the process to
record exactly what characters come in from the host.  This will help
you to write your INPUT statements.

Then test your script on an actual session, using SET INPUT ECHO ON
and LOG SESSION.  If it works, you're done.

If it doesn't work, and you can't figure out what is wrong by looking at
the screen or the (second) session log, then:

 a. If your computer has two serial ports, connect them together with
    a null modem cable.  Run Kermit in CONNECT mode on one and run your
    script on the other.

 b. Or connect two computers back-to-back with a null modem cable.

On the computer that is in CONNECT mode, it is convenient to use SET KEY
to program the remote computer's responses to keystrokes, for speed and
to eliminate typing errors.

Also note that C-Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands also work in REMOTE
mode, so if you are accessing your UNIX host from a terminal or emulator,
you can also test your script on the "console".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:34:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet
>redirector called COMTCP.  While I have been able to get it to work with
>some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them.  I've tried
>specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and
>neither works.  Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with
>COMTCP?
>
I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.

However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
using OS/2 services.

On the other hand, you could always be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190)
which is designed as a real OS/2 32-bit application.  It provides most
of the features that MS-DOS Kermit has except for VT320 and Tek terminals.
But it also has many OS/2 specific features such as support for long
filenames, REXX scripting, PM Clipboard copy/paste, Mouse support during
terminal sessions, and much more.

C-Kermit for OS/2 may be retrieved from ftp kermit.columbia.edu
in /kermit/archives/cko190.zip.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (J. Patrick Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:30:50 GMT
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In article <3jfbt3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
|> In article <3jdiod$[e-mail]>,
|> J. Patrick Harrington <[e-mail]> wrote:
|> >    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
|> >with an various external modems and serial links to unix
|> >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
|> >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
|> >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
|> >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
|> >will work?
|>>
|> There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software
|> will work with this (or any other) particular combination.
|> Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so
|> idiosyncratic that they work only with special software
|> that has been specifically adapted for them.  Some don't
|> work at all.

 ---- good advice deleted ----

|> .... and drivers all sharing the same memory and
|> pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and
|> so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is
|> going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or
|> mismatches, or worse.  It's a miracle that PCs work at all.
|>
|> - Frank

    Amen!

    I *have* been able to get my Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA
modem to work properly with the OmniBook 300, and I just
wanted to clear this issue up and not leave the impression
that there is a fundamental problem with this combination.
    I believe what happened is the following: I have been
using OBMAX on the OB300 to free up enough space to run some
favorite DOS programs. When OBMAX has removed some of the
drivers, even if "install=d:\omnibook\obcic.exe /GEN 1" is
in the config.sys file, I could not find the modem. However,
with the standard boot to windows (and with "set port 2" in
kermit) there is no problem.
    The XJ2144 does have a tendency to emit a sort of "static"
sound while running, but this happens on the HP100LX also.
    Thanks to all who provided suggestions.

                     Pat Harrington


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Made SLIP script for DOS
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In article <3jh7ou$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:
>
> Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although
> it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following
> reasons:
>
> 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the
> packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution)
> in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to

    Actually in autoexec.bat is a bad place. One needs to dial
and login to the remote host first, then start SLIP frames.

> BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt
> to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP,

    Terminology: SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver. Applications reach
Packet Drivers though an interrupt between 0x60 and 0x7f.

> use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote
> slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either
> FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by
> issuing a series of SET TCP/IP  commands.
>
> 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software
> such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers

    More terminology. Lan Man uses NetBEUI; it's not a TCP/IP
stack. SLIP is strictly IP. NetBIOS may be run over the top of a number
of protocol stacks, including TCP/IP (so-called RFC-NetBIOS).

> to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you
> should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise.

    SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver, which does SLIP work. If you have only
telco lines for comms then it's either that or PPP to move TCP/IP traffic.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Looking for FAQ
Date: Thu,  2 Mar 95 10:46:52 GMT
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Hi
I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
If so how would I be able to obtain it.
TIA
Louis Bianchi

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From: [e-mail] (DEVRAJ URS)
Subject: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed
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Hello Netters
Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3)
?

Thanks
dev

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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.)
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Subject: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection?
Date: 3 Mar 1995 02:57:47 GMT
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Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a
connection.  Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for
hardwire.  Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know
that this must be a simple fix.
Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A.
                TIA, Ken

-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
Type ? or HELP for help
SOLARIS-DEV>connect
Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 19200.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.

Communications disconnect
Can't read character: Operation would block
(Back at multitude)
SOLARIS-DEV>

C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier
 Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a
 Escape character: 28 (^\)

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      2
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:       2048     2048
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      3 set, 0
used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not
used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal       Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc

Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier
 Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a
 Escape character: 28 (^\)

 Dial directory: (none)
 Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on
 Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off
 Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off
 Dial init-string: ATQ0S2=43X4&M4\{13}
 Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13}
 Dial prefix: (none)
 Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none)

Modem signals unavailable

Command bytesize:  7 bits
 Terminal bytesize: 8 bits
 Terminal echo: remote
 Terminal locking-shift: off
 Terminal newline-mode:  off
 Terminal cr-display:    normal
 Terminal character-set: transparent
 CONNECT-mode escape character: 28 (Ctrl-\, FS)
 Suspend: on

--
Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.
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Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO.
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I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2.  With a relatively
trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO.  This only occurs if the SMTP
test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no
problem.  Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)?  ... or am I missing
something here?

Advice appreciated.

Jonathan.
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$ type smtp.cmd
; KERMIT command file to test SMTP port.
; Thanks to Aaron Leonard @ TGV Inc.
set host testbox 25
input 3 220     ; wait 3 secs for 220 banner
if failure  goto  test_again
ECHO SMTP responded as expected.
QUIT
;
:test_again
ECHO SMTP did not respond - testing again.
set host testbox 25
input 10 220    ; wait 10 secs for 220 banner
if failure  goto  smtp_dead
ECHO SMTP responded as expected.
QUIT
;
:smtp_dead
ECHO SMTP is NOT responding!
QUIT

$ kermit smtp.cmd
Executing SYS_SYSROOT:[KERMIT]CKERMIT.INI;3 for VMS...
Good Afternoon!
 Trying 128.250.111.1...
SMTP did not respond - testing again.
%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC
=0007FA31, PSL=03C00000
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC

CKUUS7          setlin                           8438      00000211  0007FA31
CKUUS3          doprm                            7133      0000026D  0007AB61
CKUUSR          docmd                            8056      0000207D  00069C3D
CKUUS5          parser                           7013      0000066A  0004EDFA
CKCMAI          main                             6657      00000302  0004D702

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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Subject: Kermit script wanted
Date: 3 Mar 1995 15:10:50 GMT
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Hi there,

Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?),
I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming
;-). The scripts should contain:

- error handling (output/input chatting with remote)
- self executing script
- self documented
- good for learning kermit scripts

In fact, I would like to make the simple script I have done for a paging
service more foolproof and include error handling. However, if somebody
already has written a IXO or ::number::message:: like kermit script, this
would be very appreciated (I know tpage, but I will not have perl available
on the machines I will install this script)

Could somebody please give me a pointer?

Thanks a lot

Regards

Daniel


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^  FTP sites?
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Mark Garcia ([e-mail]) wrote:
:     Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit
: for windows?  I 'd appreciate any and all help.

MS-Kermit comes with a pif file and instructions for running in a DOS
window.  See thread "Kermit 3.14 and Winsock" for a native-Windows
clone if you dare.  I haven't tried it.
--
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From: Michael Pollak <[e-mail]>
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I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
would download as fast as zmodem:

set send packet-length 9024
set receive packet-length 9024
set block 3

But instead I get two lines of error message, saying

?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)

What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
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Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
>would download as fast as zmodem:
>
>set send packet-length 9024
>set receive packet-length 9024
>set block 3
>
>But instead I get two lines of error message, saying
>
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>
>What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

Sounds like an old version of kermit.  In general, it's good to post
the version you're using when experiencing problems.

marshall
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:29:57 GMT
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In article <3j47i6$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
>If so how would I be able to obtain it.
>
Yes:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt

It also goes by various other names, which are all links to the same file:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/e/faq.txt
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/fAQ.TXT

etc.  It is also accessible on the Web:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

and then select "Further information".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:32:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, DEVRAJ URS <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3)
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make solaris2x   (for Sun compiler)
  make solaris2xg  (for GCC)

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.
  Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia
  University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection?
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 GMT
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In article <3j60jb$[e-mail]>,
Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a
>connection.  Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for
>hardwire.  Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know
>that this must be a simple fix.
>Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A.
>...
>C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
>
Say no more.  Solaris != SunOS.

You are running (a) an out of date version of Kermit, and (b) the
wrong version.  Please pick up version 5A(190) from kermit.columbia.edu,
and then build it for Solaris, not for SunOS.  See the instructions at
the top of the makefile, and also read the ckuins.doc file for further
installation instructions, and also be sure to read the Solaris section
of the ckuker.bwr file for voluminous notes about problems with Solaris
2.3 (which mostly boil down to installing every Solaris patch you can
get your hands on).

Btw, preliminary reports about C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4 are good.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit script wanted
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:46:01 GMT
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In article <3j7bhq$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?),
>I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming
>;-). The scripts should contain:
>
>- error handling (output/input chatting with remote)
>- self executing script
>- self documented
>- good for learning kermit scripts
>
Please, if you want to learn how to write Kermit scripts, use the
C-Kermit book.  There are three chapters that show you everything,
step by step.  Every technique that you need to use is explained and
illustrated by example.  Would you try to program in C or Pascal or
Perl without looking at a manual?  Would you try to make a TeX document
without ever looking at the TeX book?

Sorry to keep responding to so many messages this way, but (a) we put
a lot of work into these books and they answer most of the questions
posted on this list, and (b) sales of the books are what pay for the
software you are using.

Daniel, you can get an idea of how to write Kermit scripts by looking
at what is right under your nose: the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that
is distributed with C-Kermit.  As far as pagers are concerned,
scripts for handling alphanumeric pagers were posted to this list,
if I recall correctly, and one was also published in the previous issue
of DEC Professional.  For numeric pagers, see the hints in the FAQ,
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt.

The C-Kermit manual is available in both English and German editions:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
>would download as fast as zmodem:
>
>set send packet-length 9024
>set receive packet-length 9024
>set block 3
>
Yes, you can download with Kermit as fast as (or faster than) Zmodem,
but the directions above are oversimplified.  In general (assuming we are
talking about dialup connections using modern modems), the following elements
are necessary:

  1. Hardware flow control
  2. Long packets (but 9024 is overkill -- 1000 or 2000 should be enough)
  3. Sliding windows ("set window 4" or thereabouts)
  4. Control-character unprefixing (makes a difference for ZIP files, etc)

See our FAQ for further information:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

>But instead I get two lines of error message, saying
>
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>
It looks like you are using either an ancient version of Kermit, or else
some other (non-Kermit) software.  The current version of Kermit for PCs
is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, January 1995.  The current version of C-Kermit is
5A(190), October 1994.

By the way, something is wrong with News here, and delivery of messages
is delayed by a long time -- about a week.  If all the messages that I am
replying to have already been long since answered, my apologies for the
duplications.

- Frank

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I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on UNIX in local mode.

While I am interacting with Kermit directly (i.e. while the C-Kermit>
prompt is up), characters that get set by a remote host to the kermit
terminal screen seem to just get lost. When I reconnect they don't
reappear again as I seem to remeber they did on MS-DOS Kermit. Is
there anyway of not losing this information?

--
Simon Perkins                             [e-mail]

Dept. of AI,
Edinburgh University.
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
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Alex Hamlin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large
: improvement.
: However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy
: signal.  When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue
: without hanging up.

Your modem is responsible for recognizing the busy signal and sending
text to the Kermit script.  Check the new modem initializing strings
against the old ones.  You need something like E1X4 to check for busy and
echo the result, but it may vary from model to model.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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Marshall G. Flax ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

: Sounds like an old version of kermit.  In general, it's good to post
: the version you're using when experiencing problems.

To save Joe some typing :-)
Start by getting the latest version of MSKermit and read the
documentation.  It tells you more than you need to know about the
settings.  It also tells you how to buy the book.
As a preview, the advantage to long packets is that the overhead of
checking for errors is about the same, so the fewer times you need
it, the less is slows you down.  Going from 90 to 1000-byte packets
eliminates most of the overhead.  Going longer than 1000 can't save more
than 100% of the remaining overhead, so it becomes less important than
other things you can adjust.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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>I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large
>improvement.
>However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy
>signal.  When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue
>without hanging up.

It's your modem's job to detect a busy, not Kermit's. If your modem type is
in the \MODEMS subdirectory, add a SET MODEM ________ to MSCUSTOM.INI.
Otherwise, you'll have to OUTPUT a string to the modem to let it detect a
busy. The ATXn command controls this on most modems.

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I beleive what you are looking for is the INPUT command.  For MS-Kermit
the syntax is:

  INPUT [timeout] String to wait for

This waits for the specified anmount of time, or the default time if
there is not time specified, for the string to come over the COM port,
telnet session, etc.

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From: "Andrey V. Glukhov" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Can't open the file in kermit script
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Hi, all

I have some problems with kermit script programming.
My C-Kermit version is 5A(189).

set count \ffiles(*.test)
echo total of files: \v(count)
:loop
assign \%m \fnext(*.test)
echo \%m
;open read \%m
;close read
if count goto loop
quit

The result of playing the script above is:

total of files: 5
1.test
2.test
3.test
4.test
5.test

The result of playing the same script without semicolons
is different. Why?

total of files: 5
1.test
1.test
1.test
1.test
1.test

Best regards, Andrey Glukhov


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[e-mail] (Lawrence Puente) writes:


| Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:

| 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
| 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
|    and issue a GET command.
| 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
| 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
| 5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
|    I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
|    do nothing, or hang up my line.

| How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
| --Lawrence.
| --

    After GET(ting) the file, type finish.  Then esc back
    to Freenet's kermit.  Now type quit.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can't open the file in kermit script
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrey V. Glukhov <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, all
>
>I have some problems with kermit script programming.
>My C-Kermit version is 5A(189).
>
>set count \ffiles(*.test)
>echo total of files: \v(count)
>:loop
>assign \%m \fnext(*.test)
>echo \%m
>;open read \%m
>;close read
>if count goto loop
>quit
>
From the ckcker.bwr file:

The following script program:

  set count \ffiles(oofa.*)
  :loop
  send \fnextfile()
  if count goto loop

does not work as expected.  The SEND command (and any other command that
parses a filename, including TAKE) implicitly calls the same internal function
that \ffiles() calls, and thus destroys the file list set up in the first
line.  To accomplish this type of operation: (1) give the wild filespec to
\ffiles(); (2) loop through the file list and assign each filename to an array
element; (3) use the array of filenames in subsequent file-related commands.
Example:

  asg \%n \ffiles(\%1)
  declare \&f[\%n]
  for \%i 1 \%n 1 { asg \&f[\%i] \fnextfile() }
  for \%i 1 \%n 1 { -
    send \&f[\%i] -
  }

- Frank

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From: Bradley Pick <[e-mail]>
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Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from
MS-DOS KERMIT?

Thanks
Brad

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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Subject: Case construct in Kermit script?
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Kermit script programming:

Beside case - like branches in Kermit scripts I'd like to use
other stuff.

Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below,
or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?

At the end, I'd like to write a pager kermit script which handles errors
from the paging service correctly..

Here is an example of such a case construct:

;
; some initial stuff comes first...
;
;
:once_again
dial \m(telepage)
output ::\m(pagernumber)::\m(message)::
;
; now how do I do this?
;
case input
        00~OK)              goto OK         ; call accepted
        10~sNOT~sOK)            goto 10_NOK     ; protocoll error
        11~sNOT~sOK)            goto 11_NOK     ; message too long
        ...
                        ; other error codes come here
        ...
        ...
        55~sNOT~sOK              sleep 30 -
                hangup -
                goto once_again       ; network overload
done

:11_NOK
echo protocol error
hangup
goto end
:11_NOK
echo protocol error
hangup
goto end
...
...
:end
exit

(I'm not that good in programming.....)

Any pointers and other help is greatly appreciated...

Daniel

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem
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I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.

However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.

Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?

Thanking you in advance

Peter

P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
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From [e-mail] Fri Mar 10 15:57:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Case construct in Kermit script?
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In article <3jfr55$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
>processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below,
>or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?
>
You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's
script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version
190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable.
First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc):

forward \v(system)

:UNIX                           ; UNIX, all versions...
...
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

:VMS
...
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

etc.  In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make
a "case label" for each one.

To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command,
which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for,
rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file):

  MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK}
  IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds.
  FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_
  :PAGER_1                 ; here is the first CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE          ; this is like BREAK in C
  :PAGER_2                 ; second CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE
  ...
  :PAGER_55
     ; commands for this response

  :DONE

Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C.  You have to make sure that
you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label.  Not a big deal in this
example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT
will be.  In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking,
as in this example from ckermit.ini:

  IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) -
    FORWARD files

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
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Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3jls9l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
>> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
>> know old PCLink could do it.
> -------------
>     You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and

What you may be looking for is control-s for stop scrolling,
control-q for start scrolling.  That it?

JIm

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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Querubin)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering
: (most modern modems do).  Just set the modem's interface speed to
: 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there,

I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at
38400.  Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port.
I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200.  The original poster
might have to do the same.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO.
Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:44:28 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2.  With a relatively
>trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO.  This only occurs if the SMTP
>test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no
>problem.  Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)?  ... or am I missing
>something here?

I had a similar problem. After all I found that C-Kermit will crash when it
tries to send characters while it already receives data in a script. Thus,
you'll have to ensure that your script doesn't send any commands while there
are still characters arriving.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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[e-mail] (craig szczublewski) writes:

| But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago)

| how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
| on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
| only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
| an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
| macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
| this?

| thank you in advance

I got this from someone else on this newsgroup (don't remember who) to
be added to .kermrc :


define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
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Subject: How do you exit Server mode?
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Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:

1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
   and issue a GET command.
3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
   I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
   do nothing, or hang up my line.

How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
--Lawrence.
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How come my script commands work fine when I enter them by hand but won't
when the script executes them?  Is there a timing issue?  Do I need to
use "expect-send" sequences so that the script knows when to send the
next command?

My script (or the significant lines) look like:

    script -- kermit~s~055i~s~055x~s~055e~s1000
        get filename.ext

This works if I type the command, it doesn't when the script executes.

Thanks in advance...
racerx

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On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:

> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.
>
> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
> using OS/2 services.

But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
MS-Kermit?

I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to
perform downloads.  It would be nice to keep everything all running in
the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and
C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2.

And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when
I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)?
Either way though SIO costs money.  COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK.  I
just want it to work with MS-Kermit.  So...  is the problem with COMTCP or
with MS-Kermit?  Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it
works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should.
Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Antonio Querubin  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
>> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
>> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
>> using OS/2 services.
>
>But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
>as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
>it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
>MS-Kermit?

I can't help you here.

>I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to
>perform downloads.  It would be nice to keep everything all running in
>the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and
>C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2.

The script languages for MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (in the latest versions)
are nearly identical.  That should not be breaking issue.  And where you
do have differences they can easily be handled by checking the \v(program)
variable.

>And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when
>I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)?
>Either way though SIO costs money.  COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK.  I
>just want it to work with MS-Kermit.  So...  is the problem with COMTCP or
>with MS-Kermit?  Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it
>works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should.
>Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions.

You don't understand the interactions of the various components.

COMTCP works by intercepting the BIOS software interrupts for the COM port.
It then calls a DOS Device driver (VDOSTCP.SYS) which in turn is just an
interface to a Virtual Device (VDOSTCP.VDD) which then calls a monitor
(VDOSCTL.EXE) which eventually speaks to the real IP protocol stack.
Great if it works.  Obviously it doesn't with MS-DOS Kermit.

So if you want to use MS-DOS Kermit what else can you do?

Well, Ray Gwinn's SIO package provides several tools.

Lets's start with the serial ports.

SIO.SYS is an OS/2 serial port driver which can create a virtual COM port
which can be monitored by VMODEM.EXE.  Anything sent to this virtual COM
port will insteadbe redirected to the IP protocol stack via a Telnet
session.

Now the question is how do you communicate between MS-DOS Kermit and SIO.SYS.
Well, there are two interfaces that Ray provides.  First is VSIO.SYS which
provides a virtualized 16550 UART for the virtual COM port.  The second is
VX00.SYS, a fossil interface which has zero overhead in communicating with
the SIO.SYS driver since it doesn't have to worry about simulating hardware.

Now you tell me, which one do you want to use given that MS-DOS Kermit
supports both a 16550 and Fossil?

I choose the Fossil interface.  No overhead, and MS-DOS Kermit will have
serial performance equal to OS/2 applications when handling serial devices.





Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> writes:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>
>> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.
>>
>> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
>> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
>> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
>> using OS/2 services.
>
> But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
> as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
> it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
> MS-Kermit?
    <part omitted>
    This discussion is rather short on informational material and
long on complaints. I have not seen COMTCP so I have on idea of what
things it does or wants. Suffice it to say MSK does work fine with BIOS
ports, and with Int 14h shims of various kinds for various networks.
My only guess is COMTCP expects a certain, unstated, sequence of events
from the application program before it will work "properly" (whatever
that might mean in your situation).
    Without COMTCP at hand (I have OS/2 2.10 and its TCP/IP stack)
there is nothing more I can say on the matter. Further hints would be
welcomed.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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In article <3jqf6p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
> 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
> connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.
>
> Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
> and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
> this happens:
>
> I type AT
> I get ATT or just A
>
> Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
> ATDDT5551134
>
> Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>
> Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
> 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
> No effect.
>
> Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
> communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
> I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
> But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these
> apps.
------------
    Gee, I dunno. It it the sending or receiving end, I wonder. If you
ATDTnumber and it dials ok yet the screen shows dups then it's the receiving
end. In such a case I'd say replace the serial cable with a better and shorter
one. I'd also be suspicious of 16550A class UARTs implemented on big square
chips because some have noted snafus. Insert here the ususal comments about
avoiding hardware conflicts and helpful TSRs, and not configuring the machine
for too much speed (wait states, similar), etc.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lawrence Puente) writes:
>
> Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:
>
> 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
> 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
>    and issue a GET command.
> 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
> 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
> 5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
>    I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
>    do nothing, or hang up my line.
>
> How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
> --Lawrence.
------------
    Send FINISH to end Kermit protocol mode, then Connect to resume
interactive conversation. BYE does FINISH and logs out. It's all in the
manual and the HELP screen. Kermit-Lite has no Connect mode so you can't
talk interactively through it.
    It's possible that you or the BBS has turned off recognition of
FIN/BYE  (a DISABLE command) on their Kermit, and that leaves you with only
hanging up your end. If this were the case you'd need to tell the BBS
operator to fix their end.
    So what Kermit were you using on your desktop?
        Joe D.

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Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem
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In article <3iuspg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
> ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
> configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
> clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
> one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
> One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
> Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.
>
> However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
> to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
> packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
> others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
> and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
> nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
> fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.
>
> Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> Peter
>
> P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
> address, because our news stuff here lags several days.
> --
> Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
> Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
> Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
> 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY
---------------
    All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be
since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local
wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect
duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and
they can't really avoid doing so.
    The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that
simple.
    Joe D.


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Subject: Re: unix kermit server timeout
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In article <3jpcqg$[e-mail]>, Francesco Ruggiero <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi
>
> I want to put a  time limit on the server ( for example an hour ).
>
> How can I set this ?
----------------
    Manual time. SET SERVER ? to see options, including timeout.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> HELP!
> I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a
> function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a
> user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape
> codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable <cmd>= ESC[?5i to enter
> autoprint. My problem is that the OUV <cmd> function displays [?5i on the
> screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence
> so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just
> display it on the screen?
    Chances are excellent that your host is not sending the ESC byte.
Turn on MSK Connect mode debugging by SET DEBUG ON and view the material
sent by the host. Or use LOG SESSION to see the bytes in binary form.

> P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what
> looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to
> PRN. Why do I get this screen dump
    Works ok here. I can't say why you'd get a screenfull of garbage.
Any hints?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: How do I script a [CTRL-P]???
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In article <3jle9u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
> When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax),
> my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to
> break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another.
>
> Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine!
>
> What is the syntax for scripting this???
>
> I've tried        script -- ~o20       and     script -- \^p
>
> but no luck.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> racerx
---------------
    SHOW KEY<enter>, press Control-P, see Kermit decimal code \16.
This is in the manual and docs.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
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>I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at
>38400.  Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port.
>I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200.  The original poster
>might have to do the same.

Here's a way to speedup SparcStations ability to handle higher data rates on
the builtin serial ports.

-scott

/* 10:03 AM  Jul 11, 1994 por [e-mail] en igc:comp.sun.admin */
/* ---------- "SunOS patches req'd for PPP/SLIP" ---------- */

Netters,
There has been a number of questions over the last several months about the
which patches (if any) are required on SunOS 4.1.x systems to make PPP and/or
SLIP reliable.  I've assembled responses from several individuals and
summarized them in the note below.  Thanks to all who responded.  If there
are any questions, please send them via email direct.
Enjoy,
Rich Adamson
[e-mail]

Sun Workstation OS Patches for Serial Ports
-------------------------------------------

Author: Rich Adamson
    ([e-mail])
    The Router Exchange, Inc.
Date:     July 11, 1994

There has been a lot of discussion in various news groups relative to the
possible need to apply Operating System patches to SunOS 4.1.x systems in
order to have pppd function reliably.  The note you are reading should
help explain the technical need for these patches.  This note applies to
all versions of SunOS 4.1.x, including the current shipment of 4.1.3_U1
from Sun.  The patch required is:
    For SunOS 4.1.x systems,
        Sunsolve1.sun.com   /pub/patches/100513-04.tar.Z
    For SunOS 4.1.3_U1 systems,
        Sunsolve1.sun.com   /pub/patches/101621-02.tar.Z
    (Note:  These have also been available on
        cs.columbia.edu  /archives/mirror3/sun-patches/100513-04.tar.gz
        watserv1.waterloo.edu  /sun_patches/100513-04.tar.Z)

Either patch will require rebuilding the kernel to incorporate the fix.

Technical Detail:
-----------------
Most of the inservice Sun workstations use a Z85C30 Integrated Circuit to
handle built-in serial ports.  The Z85C30 generates a system interrupt for
each incoming character.  Therefore for each baud rate noted in the table
below, system interrupts will occur at the following approximate rates:

    Serial Port
          Speed    Interrupts Occur
    -----------    -----------------------
     9,600 baud    every 1040 microseconds
    19,200 baud    every  520    "
    38,400 baud    every  260    "
    76,800 baud    every  130    "

A typical IPC or IPX workstation cannot handle system interrupts any faster
than about 19,200 baud while an SS5 workstation is limited to about 38,400
baud.  The ability of a system to handle higher baud rates is directly
related to the speed of the system processor and other higher priority
system level activity.

As each incoming character arrives on a Sun built-in serial port, an
interrupt is generated by the Z85C30.  The system processor responds to this
interrupt taking the character from the Z85C30 and placing it in a ring
buffer.  The ring buffer is essentially emptied by the pppd application,
and then passed to whatever application (eg, telnet, ftp, mail) it was
destined for.

If the built-in serial port is set to a speed that is faster than what the
system interrupt structure is capable of handling, silo overflows will occur.
If the application (pppd) is not allowed sufficient processing time to
empty the ring buffer, then ring buffer overruns will occur.

The Request-to-Send (RTS) and Clear-to-Send (CTS) pins on an RS232 serial
interface cable are used to provide hardware flow control of OUTGOING data
from the Sun to the modem.  There are no equivalent pins defined on the
RS232 serial interface to provide incoming hardware flow control.  Although
the patches noted above are often referred to as RTSCTS hardware flow
control fixes, the patches actually do not implement any form of incoming
"hardware" flow control.  Rather the patches deal with the efficiency of
handling internal system interrupts and the size of the ring buffer used
as temporary incoming data storage.

Incoming data flow control (or lack thereof) can be easily seen by
initiating a large file transfer into the Sun via the pppd serial port,
and while the transfer is occuring, initiate another process to 'find' a
file or simply execute a 'df' command to produce other activity on the
same system.  You will either notice an interruption and long delay in
the incoming ftp data, or system logged errors such as the silo overflow
and/or ring buffer overruns.  The long delay is typically TCP/IP timeouts
and error recovery processing.  Without the patch, the ppp session can be
dropped or blown off-line in unpredicable ways.


Summary:
--------
Sun workstations running pppd can operate very reliably, however the
reliability decreases as the built-in serial port speed increases.  This
is a function of the SunOS system, not pppd.  The best that current
14.4kb async modems with compression can accomplish is about 19.2kb
effective throughput, therefore setting a Sun workstation's serial
port to 19.2kb is very close to the most efficient speed possible for
both the Sun system and modem, with the Sun patches noted above installed.
Without the patches, a built-in serial port speed of 7,200 or 9,600 baud
is likely to be the maximum speed for reliable operation before TCP/IP
retransmissions and silo overflows occur.  Your mileage may vary.

If speeds above 19.2kb are required, add-on SBus serial cards are available
from various sources that can sustain higher baud rates then the built-in
ports.  This author has no direct experience with these add-on cards.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key?
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In article <3jls9l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
> know old PCLink could do it.
-------------
    You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and
not revealed to applications. Kermit does not play systems stealing games
to intercept below the keyboard Bios, nor is there a need to do so. Leave it
alone is my advice for you.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pearce)
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Subject: How do I script a [CTRL-P]???
Date: 8 Mar 1995 23:23:42 GMT
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When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax),
my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to
break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another.

Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine!

What is the syntax for scripting this???

I've tried        script -- ~o20       and     script -- \^p

but no luck.

Thanks In Advance,

racerx

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From: [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber)
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Subject: UNIX Kermiting help needed....
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Hi,
 I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data.  What I have
to do is:

1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another
2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the
   machine from (1).
3. download a data set.

As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to
TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection,
then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a
data file from the machine I'm modem connected to.

I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script
that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on
my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online??


--

Thanks,
--Brian

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HELP!
I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a
function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a
user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape
codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable <cmd>= ESC[?5i to enter
autoprint. My problem is that the OUV <cmd> function displays [?5i on the
screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence
so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just
display it on the screen?

P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what
looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to
PRN. Why do I get this screen dump


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping
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In article <3jmvjv$8e$[e-mail]>, Dale Hoehne <[e-mail]> writes:
> Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
> version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
> keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
> that require these keys
>
> TIA                           - Dale
-------------
    Please do read the documentation, in this case either the user's
manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or even the technical file msvibm.vt.
Those DEC keys are all keyboard verbs and you can attach them to keys by
name, but they are not preassigned to keys in the shipped product. Use
SET KEY to tie \Kverbs to keys, use a query mark (?) for a definition to
see all the keyboard verb names on-line.
    The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, which you may acquire
from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for file msvibm.zip as a quick-start
bundle.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (gordon harlan)
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Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key?
Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:22:29 GMT
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how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
know old PCLink could do it.

thanks

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From: [e-mail] (Edward Stevens)
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    Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.

Ted Stevens

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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 7 Mar 95 17:42:30 MDT
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In article <3j7vml$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <3im6is$[e-mail]>,
> Michael J. Mettler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>>work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>>downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>>be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
>>
> If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files),
> that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection,
> no matter what protocol you use.  You evidently have already
> tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be
> directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject.
>
>>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
>>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
>>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
>>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
>>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
>>
> Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
> precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
> built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
> rate.
>
> - Frank


Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around
12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed
files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a
way to do better, let me know too. Thanks.

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Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Dunn Michael J)
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Subject: Uploads with Zmodem/kermit
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How do you get Zmodem (sz/rz) to upload?
I have put the line redirecting std input & output to /dev/modem but I
cant get it to work .It just hangs ?
Im using a Zyxel u-1496 at home running linux dialing into another unix
machine. Could I need something in my .kermrc at the server end?

Cheers Mike Dunn

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
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i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
kermit.
telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider,
i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others
are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently
after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally,
when i was composing a letter in pine.
does this ring a bell with anyone? any advice?  thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
> would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
> modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.
-----------
    Tell one Kermit SERVER. That starts Kermit protocol mode listening
on the selected communications channel. Please do have a look at the user's
manual (HELP screen two) which has lots of explanations of how things work.
    Joe D.

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Hi

I want to put a  time limit on the server ( for example an hour ).

How can I set this ?


PS:please CC:[e-mail]
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                      Francesco Ruggiero
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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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Subject: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.

Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
this happens:

I type AT
I get ATT or just A

Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
ATDDT5551134

Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:

Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
No effect.

Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these
apps.

Any ideas? Mail me and post here.

-Fozz
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================[e-mail]==http://xmission.com/~fozz/==================
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Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
that require these keys

TIA                           - Dale

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I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.

My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
help much.

Mac

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: UNIX Kermiting help needed....
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:12:25 GMT
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In article <3jpqpq$[e-mail]>,
Brian D. Schieber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data.  What I have
>to do is:
>1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another
>2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the
>   machine from (1).
>3. download a data set.
>As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to
>TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection,
>then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a
>data file from the machine I'm modem connected to.
>I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script
>that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on
>my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online??
>
The docs are the printed manual, "Using C-Kermit", which explain
exactly what you need to do, step by step.  You need to understand
each step, as it applies to your particular connection, before you
should even think about writing -- or working from -- a script.
Somebody else's script does not know the details of your connection.
Do it by hand first, and then automate it afterwards.  The manual
shows you exactly how to do this.  Briefly:

 1. Start C-Kermit on the first UNIX machine.
 2. Tell it to telnet to the second UNIX machine.
 3. Log in to the 2nd UNIX machine and start Kermit there.
 4. Tell the remote Kermit program to SEND the desired file.
 5. Escape back to the first Kermit (Ctrl-\c) and tell it to RECEIVE.

For greater detail, please consult the manual:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:18:46 GMT
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In article <3jmvjv$8e$[e-mail]>,
Dale Hoehne  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
>version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
>keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
>that require these keys
>
(a) Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14.

(b) Read the VT300.DOC and VT300.INI files, which explain the mappings.

(c) Since you will undoubtedly want to change things around (no two
    people like the same key mappings), read the manual, "Using MS-DOS
    Kermit", about key mapping.

(d) VMS WordPerfect comes with MS-DOS Kermit support files which do their
    own mappings.  If you set up VMS WordPerfect according to instructions,
    it will take care of everything itself.  Also read the section on
    WordPerfect in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the v3.14 MS-DOS Kermit
    diskette.  There are various version dependencies that you should read
    about.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:27:01 GMT
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In article <3jqf6p$[e-mail]>,
Fozziliny Moo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
>486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
>connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.
>Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
>and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
>this happens:
>I type AT
>I get ATT or just A
>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>ATDDT5551134
>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>No effect.
>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.
>
Thanks.

The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.

On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.  In this case, the reason
that Winsock appears to work and Kermit doesn't is that Winsock only
delivers error-corrected (by TCP and IP) data, whereas Kermit -- as a serial
communications program -- delivers each byte it receives.

Of course, you can also run Kermit over a SLIP driver and invoke its own
built-in TCP/IP stack.  This would eliminate the appearance of errors, but
it would not eliminate the errors themselves.  However, performance would
be quite poor, not only because of the TCP and IP overhead, but also because
of the retransmissions that would be required to overcome the errors.

Note that the modem's error correction probably has no relevence here, since
the errors are evidently originating from outside the connection between the
two modems.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Linux ?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:43:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Edward Stevens <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then:

  make linux

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.
Type "help" at the C-Kermit> prompt for further info.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:49:26 GMT
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In article <3jv4k4$[e-mail]>,
Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
>provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
>kermit.  telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
>but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider,
>i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others
>are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently
>after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally,
>when i was composing a letter in pine.
>
It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but
my first four guesses would be:

 1. Lack of adequate flow control.  You should be using RTS/CTS
    flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully
    (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the
    other end of your modem connection.

 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and
    Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is
    sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences.

 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host
    is UNIX based.

 4. Noise.

So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make
sure you have the flow control working right.  If the problem does
not go away, contact [e-mail] for more in-depth support.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:01:52 GMT
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>,
James M. McClain <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
>advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
>would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
>really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
>sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
>we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
>here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.
>
>My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
>come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
>help much.
>
While you're at it, why don't you recommend that everybody who uses
shareware not pay for it?  And that everybody who wants to use
commercial software steal it from the computer store?

Usually both ends are not needed -- usually one manual suffices.
Price: $36.95.  Proceeds from manual sales are what pay for the
software you are using, just as registration fees pay for the work
of shareware authors, and retail prices pay for the work of
commercial software producers.

We appreciate that you study the manuals and docs before posting a
question, but that is not true for everybody.  We try to "pre-answer"
most questions in the manuals and online help and "beware" files.
We are perfectly willing to help with other questions that are not
answered in those places -- and more often than not, also with ones
that are -- as you will see by following this list for any length of
time.  And most questions that are posted to this list, and that are
sent to our email tech support address, and that are called in on the
phone, and that are faxed to us... *are* answered in the published
documentation.

It is not so much to ask that those who use our software help contribute
to its continued existence and growth by abiding by our wishes and
purchasing the documentation.  For questions not covered there, we are
happy to provide tech support.  And in so doing, we learn which areas
need better coverage in future editions of the documentation.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:35:49 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
>would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
>modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.
>
Covered in Chapters 10 and 11 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  Basically, put
your home modem in answer mode (usually via ATS0=1), put Kermit in server
mode or (more dangerously) in CTTY COMx mode.  For further details, please
read the manual -- it's all there.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Philip M. Langlois)
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Subject: Re: Linux ?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:04:53 GMT
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Edward Stevens ([e-mail]) wrote:
:     Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.

: Ted Stevens

: --
: >>>>>                  ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263          <<<<<
: <<<<<     OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training   >>>>>
: >>>>>                        [e-mail]                <<<<<
: <<<<<     'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger   >>>>>

I downloaded version 190 (Oct. 94) from kermit.columbia.edu. One of the subdirectories
has 'cku190.tar.gz'. The makefile has a couple of linux options..make linux, make linuxftp,
etc. I had to edit the makefile (as it mentions) to make it smaller, and I also had to
change 'lncurses' to 'lcurses' (also mentioned).

   If you want a binary, I think sunsite.unc.edu and its mirrors has version 189 in
/pub/Linux/apps/comm or someting like that.

Phil Langlois

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:18:44 GMT
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3jv4k4$[e-mail]>,
: Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
: >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
: >kermit.  telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
  LINES DELETED HERE
: >
: It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but
: my first four guesses would be:

:  1. Lack of adequate flow control.  You should be using RTS/CTS
:     flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully
:     (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the
:     other end of your modem connection.

:  2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and
:     Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is
:     sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences.

:  3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host
:     is UNIX based.

:  4. Noise.

: So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make
: sure you have the flow control working right.  If the problem does
: not go away, contact [e-mail] for more in-depth support.

: - Frank
  Thanks for the suggestions but none of the four guesses happens
to be relevant in this case. and now, a worse problem has occurred,
which i will post (see 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix?)
meanwhile, i will see if i can get help as you suggested, from
[e-mail]     Thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: 3.14/www/hebrew  bug? fix?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:20:15 GMT
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using mskermit 3.14 and its hebrew option, i ran into trouble twice
while doing www on lynx (though all was fine for a long time, first).
i got funny characters on the screen, suddenly, and they stayed
even after the modem hung up. they would go away when i got out of the
connect mode, but come back whenever i would connect (until i went all
the way to dos, and then kermit started normally again).
in the connect screen, i could produce this set of characters by
striking the usual keyboard keys, so the ascii numbers associated
with lowercase letters (97 and on) were producing the weird screen
characters. i could produce the very same characters by using the
usual ibm keyboard trick (ascii 97, which is normally a, can be produced
by pressing alt, and then hitting 9 and 7 on the numeric keypad before
releasing alt, etc).
pressing "a" produced a vertical shaded rectangle, with shading lines
             skewed from upper left to lower right
         "b" produced a rightward arrow
          c       a vertical two headed arrow (up/down) on an underscore
          d       left arrow
          e       down arrow
          f       degree symbol (little circle, high)
          g       plus or minus sign
          etcetera
 i know that some of these are normally control characters
 meanwhile, uppercase letters were fine
 the range from ascii 128 on (to 155) seemed fine, i noticed
 and so was the range from 224 on(to 250), i also happened to notice
 (these two ranges happen to be particularly relevant to hebrew)
THE MAIN TWO QUESTIONS:
1) what's the cause  and, more importantly...
2) is there any way within a kermit session
to get a fresh start?           any advice would be appreciated
                                thanks,  gideon





From [e-mail] Mon Mar 13 19:56:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM
Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT
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In article <3jfqgf$[e-mail]>,
Bradley Pick  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from
>MS-DOS KERMIT?

I assume you mean the MAIL subcommand of MSK, which works like SEND,
except that it directs the file to be sent off as e-mail upon reception.
The answer is yes.  The Kermit distribution includes a file called
IKCAUX CMD, which includes sample implementations of some Kermit-CMS
utilities, including the KERMAIL EXEC that performs the necessary
e-mail functions.  Tailor it to your needs and install.
            John Chandler

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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Subject: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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Hello,

on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.

Any ideas?

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From [e-mail] Mon Mar 13 19:40:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Orr)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Binary file expansion
Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800
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Here's an interesting problem:

When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190)
OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file,
a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer
using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed
the xfer as going on in binary mode.

I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found
none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either?

Any suggestions?
--
Ronald N. Orr, TRW SEDD, PO Box 3099, Manhattan Beach CA 90266-1099
voice: [phone] fax:[phone], [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: Manuals
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (James M. McClain) writes:
|>
|>
|> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
|> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
|> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
|> really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
|> sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
|> we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
|> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.
|>
|> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
|> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
|> help much.
|>
|> Mac

My experience with the Kermit books is completely opposite to Mr. McClain's.
The original book, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is worth the price
for its incredibly clear explanations of serial communications.  It was
published in 1987 so naturally it is no longer the definitive reference
for Kermit.

"Using MS-DOS Kermit" can be daunting but the only sections I've found
obscure are the Appendices.  However, these are mostly tables of escape
sequences for the various terminal emulations.  This is not information
that the average user needs to know.  However, I consider it a selling
point of the book that the information is there for the technician who
would otherwise have great difficulty finding these tables.

I also have "Using C-Kermit" but have not read that much of it.  I have
no doubt that it is well-written, I simply haven't needed to refer to it.
So based on my experience I conclude that "both ends" are not needed
for the average user.

Finally, the comment that the manual is "sometimes just plain wrong"
is undoubtedly true.  However, I have found *very* few outright mistakes
from my reading.  Most of the inaccuracies are because the books are
static whereas, the programs, fortunately for us, continue to evolve.
The recent features are covered well in the supplemental ".upd" and
".bwr" files.

My recommendation is that anyone responsible for supporting Kermit
should buy all three books.  Anyone who is impressed by fine technical
writing and wants to understand serial communications should buy the
original.  And anyone who wants to support the Kermit effort or enjoys
exploiting the full potential of the software they use should buy either
the MS-DOS or the C-Kermit manuals depending on their platform.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (James M. McClain)
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Subject: More on Manuals
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Frank gives us more bemusement:

Kermit docs make it quite clear that Kermit is not shareware or that a
user is somehow obligated to BUY the Manuals (all three of which are
needed for both ends for most sysops at $85).  Frank seems to through
in this spurious argument just to confuse - just as the docs confuse.
It would seem that the real reason to be up tight about the purchase
of the Mans is that Frank's salary come from the proceeds, not because
they are helpful.

Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most
of the questions asked here.  What I tried to sy was that they are
poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need
this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say.  If it matters,
please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally
incomprehensable.

What I suggest is that rather than spend time here trying to defend
the kermit docs, why not get someone who can write to rewrite them.

Mac

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James M. McClain) writes:
> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
    Gee, and all along I thought drones were *supposed* to be
constant. Bagpipes and such. Learn something new every day, thanks.

> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
> really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
> sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
> we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.

    I can't comment incisively (sp?) without knowing the item(s) to
which you refer. The books are not what I and many others would describe
as daunting or more than obscure etc. They do have a few errors, as all
docs do, and times change to obsolete some particular features. Those
that do vanish are covered in the .UPD and .BWR files issued with each
release.

> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
> help much.
    You are welcome to advise, of course, and my advice would be
the opposite because the users are better off knowing than not knowing.
    Also, it saves much wear and tear on the readership (including
me) to not have to restate the manuals <more often than necessary>. You
can save me playing back the rtfm recording by giving us a tip that you
did dig but came back with no treasure.
    Thanks and no offence taken,
    Joe D.
> Mac

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> >>I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
> >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
> >>
> >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
> >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
> >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
> >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
> >>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
> >>
> > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
> > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
> > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
> > rate.

> Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around
> 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed
> files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a
> way to do better, let me know too. Thanks.

And for good measure I'm using the Sportster 14400 and I acheive 1600 cps
going up to 2000 cps for compressible files.  This strikes me as a bit
slow - is the compression algorithm used really this feeble - most compression
algorithms achieve better than x2 compression on my TeX files.
Ian.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Binary file expansion
Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:54:03 GMT
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In article <3k2738$[e-mail]>,
Ron Orr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190)
>OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file,
>a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer
>using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed
>the xfer as going on in binary mode.
>
>I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found
>none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either?
>
A certain BBS implementation of Kermit is known to have this problem.
It does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, and is confused by the
new negotiation fields in the new Kermit releases, and goes nuts.  You
*might* be able to work around the problem by telling one or both Kermit
programs to use (say) even parity.  Better yet, ask your BBS sysop to use
MS-DOS Kermit "Lite" to do its Kermit protocol transfers.  That's what it's
for.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Kerzner)
Subject: For Sale: Senators vs Penguins tickets 03/19/95
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I have 2 tickets for the Senators-Penguins game on Sunday
March 19/95.

They are in section 18
blue line) at $28.99 each

Reply to either [e-mail] or to [e-mail]

Kerz.

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From: [e-mail] (David Gaudine)
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Here it is; "A Grimm Fairy Tale", the story of a longtime Jen fan who
finally got to meet the Jen for whom afjc was named.

My trip started in Cambridge (Boston). Since Jen Yuan was in town the
same weekend, I left a phone message for her.  My intention was to
leave a vague message that only she would understand.  Unfortunately,
it was so vague that they didn't know it was for her.  The fact that
I didn't know how to pronounce her name didn't help.

Next stop Hoboken NJ.  After Jen L. performed the herculean task of
finding me a parking space in Hoboken, we went to NYC for a mini Jenvention;
2 Jens and 3 Jen fans, not bad, except I prefer the other way around. :)
The 5 were myself, Jen L., Jen L.'s David, Jeff Berg, and Jennifah. (sp)
For all but Jennifah, this was a warmup for Mardi Gras.  The next day I went
back to NYC to Jeff Berg's office.  Upon returning to Hoboken I found that
I had left something rather important in his office; my list of addresses
and phone #'s for all the Jens I was supposed to visit!  It doesn't take
long to get from Hoboken to NYU when you're desperate. ;)

Next stop Philadelphia.  It's a nice place for a walking tour, since most
of the attractions are close together.  I took pictures of Jen Y in her
TD outfit; those will be among the very few Jen gifs I make.  As far as
I can remember at the moment, this was the only place where I actually
had any ice cream.  I bought a couple of small containers of B&J because
I don't think you can get that brand here (in containers); I ate it
all myself since Jen Y. was recuperating from some leftover Chinese food.

Then Washington, where I learned 3 things in my first 2 hours;
- Don't drive west along K street
- Don't drive west along H street
- Don't drive.
I met Jenn Biller, but Jen Hill managed to nimbly avoid me. *pout*

The next night I stopped in Kingston TN.  No Jens in sight! :(

Finally I got to New Orleans.  I found Jenn A's house right away, but nobody
was home, so I spent a couple of hours looking for them.  Most of that
time they were there, while I was elsewhere searching.  At midnight
Jenn and most of the others went out to a bar.  I decided I wasn't up to it,
so I stayed "home", along with Jenn's friend Jenny T; the best decision
I made all weekend, since Jenny T quickly became my new favourite Jen
(the first time in 15 years that I've had a favourite).  Then at 2AM
Jenn's friend Mattie, who I was supposed to stay with, picked me up
and took me to a bar for a couple of hours and then to her place.
Her boyfriend wasn't too happy;
"Let me get this straight.  It's 2am, you're going to pick up a guy you've
 never met, take him to a bar, and then take him home to sleep?"
I met him the next day and everything was ok, though he still got her to
stay at his place the remaing nights, which worked out fine for everyone.

Because everyone spent half the night in bars, and we had a bit of trouble
finding each other the next day, the day basically started at 3pm.
That's when I met Jen Grimm.  Jen Grimm, Ron, Jenny T, Jeff, Mattie, and
I started for the infamous French Quarter, but the first 3 on that list
ended up stopping for hair braids and tatoos.  (No, Jen Grimm didn't get
a tatoo.)  In the French quarter Mattie, the sexy one in the group (wow!),
did her best to collect some beads without showing anything, but the
guys were being picky.  At one point Jeff thought he was going to have to
rescue her from 3 marines.

In the evening we saw Rex "open" Mardi Gras.  Well, we didn't actually
"see" anything from where we were standing, but we were there.  Rex
asked the mayor to approve a list of rules for Mardi Gras; "No school",
"No work", etc; fortunately the Mayor, after due consideration, agreed.
Later I had my first seafood "Po-boy", and found that the rumours that
someone with my sensitive pallette couldn't eat in Louisiana were unfounded.
On our way to the restaurant, Jenny T had Jeff and I on her arms and
kept bragging to strangers "I have 2 good-looking intelligent men with me
and you don't!".  I'm not sure why she said that to the women *and* the men
that we passed.
<Jen> Did you ever see 2 more intelligent men in your life?
<Elderly woman> No, I was just going to mention that.
Later a parade passed by, and I added to my bead collection; previously
I only had what the Jens and the woman doing the hair braiding gave me.

That's one of the things I noticed about New Orleans; if you speak to
complete strangers, they answer.

On Mardi Gras itself, it was pouring rain as time for the parade approached.
We made our contributions to the local economy by buying umbrellas.
I watched the entire parade, and studied the secrets of getting people
to throw beads to me, while some of the others stayed at a party
eating crawfish.  (Interesting things... no strong taste at all, but
you burn your tongue if you lick your fingers afterwards because of the
spices in the water that stay on the shell.)

That afternoon Jenn, her David, Jen Grimm, Ron, and I went to some sort
of Indian wedding.  However, Jen, Ron, and I soon left and headed for
the French quarter for the afternoon.

Now, here's the "fairy tale" part.  On the way home, walking in the dark
along St. Charles which was almost deserted, I felt a touch on my arm
and turned to face Jen Grimm.  She took my hand and made a gesture.
When I didn't understand, she took my other hand, and before I knew it
we were dancing.  I can't remember ever dancing in my life before, so my
first dance *ever* was under the streetlights on St. Charles with Jen Grimm!
Could there be a bigger thrill for a Jen fan? :)

After that, anything else would be downhill, so I left the next morning. :)
I was heading for St. Louis to visit Nifer, and while checking my map
I suddenly realized for the first time that I was passing through Memphis.
Normally I notice things like that *before* I start the trip.  Naturally
I went to Graceland, though by the time I waited overnight for it to
open I didn't have time to do anything but buy souvenirs.  Then in St. Louis
I investigated the important issue that was on my mind: "Why hasn't
Nifer posted lately?"  It turned out that there was a technical reason,
we weren't being snubbed after all. :)

I visited a favourite non-Jen in Macomb IL, was stood up by another favourite
in PEEoria IL, and then found Jen Fausti in Chicago, she already posted
about that.  In Toledo I saw Jen Radon, and Jenny T who gave me the beads
that I'd forgotten in New Orleans.  I decided to make a run for the border,
i.e. get home from Toledo in one day.  I left at 2 PM, stopped briefly in
Guelph to see Jen Robertson, and got home at about 4:30 AM.  That's a couple
of hours later than I expected, due to a snowstorm; the most dangerous
trip of my life.  At first traffic was slow, then I tried to make up for
lost time by driving 60 MPH on a road that I could barely see.  I kept the
car pointing where I suspected the road was, and fortunately I was right.

Well, that's it.  I was on the road for 17 days, but it was worth it;
I got to meet Jen Grimm *and* my new personal favourite Jen! :)
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From: [e-mail] (gordon harlan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key?
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the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as
your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be
all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100
systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is
dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit.


anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler


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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:

>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.
>
>Any ideas?

Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
In my ini script I have to use a
  SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(

Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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In article <3k3g96$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
> the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as
> your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be
> all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100

    Wanna bet? Yes, the app has to dig beneath the Bios, trap keyboard
interrupts, and fanagle things to fake a visible key.

> systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is
> dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit.
> anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: More on Manuals
Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:13:44 -0600
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 (James M. McClain) writes:
>Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most
>of the questions asked here.  What I tried to sy was that they are
>poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need
>this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say.  If it matters,
>please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally
>incomprehensable.

Perhaps the problem is with your comprehension and not with the docs?????

Just out of curiosity, could you name a manual that you do find satisfactory?

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Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with
kermit?  I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it
(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial
a second and a third before returning to the first.

-B.S.
--
I don't speak for anyone but me and occasionally I don't even get to do
that.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Dialing rotation.
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In article <3jpp7i$[e-mail]>,
Alex Hamlin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with
>kermit?  I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it
>(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial
>a second and a third before returning to the first.
>
Make a copy of your dialing script under a different name, such as
"mydial.scr".

Modify this copy of the dialing script to only dial once, and to set
a variable indicating the failure reason.  For example, at the top of
the dialing script, add:

  define mystatus

and then change the BUSY section from whatever it is now, such as:

  :BUSY
  if < \v(count) 2 goto quit    ; Don't wait 60 seconds if tries used up.
  Echo Busy or No Carrier, will dial again in 30 seconds...
  echo Press any key to cancel...
  hangup                          ; Hang up.
  :AGAIN
  if count goto redial            ; Then go redial.
  :QUIT
  errfail {It never answers!  I give up.} ; Too many tries.

to something like:

  :BUSY
  define mystatus BUSY
  end 1

Then you can dial like this:

  set modem mydial    ; Use special dialing script
  :LOOP
  dial 7654321        ; Try first number
  if success goto OK
  if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP ; or whatever...
  dial 8765432
  if success goto OK
  if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP
  dial 9876543
  if fail goto LOOP
  :OK

This is just one of many possible ways to do this.

- Frank

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Summary: ZModem hangup while downloading from unix to ms-dos
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Hi everyone,

I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.

I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
no success.

The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1).
and I am login at 12000 baud.

The problem I have is it hang up after the pc detect it is about to
receive a file using zmodem protocol.  The pc just wouldn't receive
anymore packet from the unix end.

I am using  " sz -be -vvv test.exe " on the unix side to send the file.

    -be  --> send binary file and escape all control character.
    -vvv --> capture the debug message to file.

Here is the capture debug message found in the unix side.  (after the
transmission has been abort.)

==================================================================

sz 3.18 12-07-91 for V7/BSD

mode:1

Countem: 000 test.exe  1105
countem: Total 1 1105
zshhdr: f 4 ZRQINIT 0
Retry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for test.exe
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=2  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
mode:0

======================================================================

The error seem to complain about the path not found??

Can someone help me with this please?

Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1.  Hence I am stuck with
      7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem??

Thanks in advance for any suggestion,
Vi

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup??
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In article <3k5lvn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Vi Nham) writes:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.
>
> I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
> no success.
----------
    Perhaps you have chosen the wrong News group. This one is about
Kermit, not zmodem. While you are here, however, may we recommend you
try Kermit on both ends of the link; they work.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit challenge
Date: 15 Mar 1995 14:31:51 GMT
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OK, I'm getting the manual, really.  Should arrive soon.  But I
suspect I might have a hard time finding out what the information
I want.

I'm not even sure if its possible.

What I want to do is:

1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
2. telnet through kermit to another workstation
3. hit return (with the script)
4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
7. login, password, upload a request file
8. wait, wait, wait
9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
10. cleanly quit and smile.

At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
service, and is moy only modem pool connection.

Can someone explain how to do the above?
How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)?

A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!!


--

Thanks,
--Brian

| Brian D. Schieber
| SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects
| Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes
| NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
| Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771
| [e-mail]
| http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3k4fna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:
>
>>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
>>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
>>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
>>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
>>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
>>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
>>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
>>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
>>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
>>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>
> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
> In my ini script I have to use a
>   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
> to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
> excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
> is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(
>
> Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution.
-------------
    When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.
    Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set
regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two
devices using the same IRQ.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit challenge
Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:27:21 GMT
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In article <3k6ton$[e-mail]>,
Brian D. Schieber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What I want to do is:
>
>1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
>2. telnet through kermit to another workstation

Instead of using TELNET, use SET NET TCP, SET HOST <host>
This will leave in Command/Script mode

>3. hit return (with the script)
>4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
>5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
>6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
>7. login, password, upload a request file
>8. wait, wait, wait
>9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
>10. cleanly quit and smile.
>
>At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
>I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
>session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
>service, and is moy only modem pool connection.
x
x
x
x
x
x

x
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 17:19:13 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

|>     When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
|> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
|> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
|> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.

This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication
with a user with a modem on COM4.  Her modem would not work at all with Kermit
until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5.  Then it worked under DOS but not
Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:09:04 -0500
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In article <3k4fna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
|> In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:
|>
|> >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
|> >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
|> >Windows and the Norton desktop: ... details deleted...
|> >

|> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
|> In my ini script I have to use a
|>   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
|> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
|> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
|> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
|> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
|> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice.... details deleted...

I wish I had a solution for you but I don't.  At Queen's, the biggest source
of frustration with Kermit is its inability to work under Windows.  More
precisely, it works just dandy for many Windows users but we get a significant
number of weird situations like the one Christopher describes.  I'm sorry
to say that the Beware file has not really helped in these cases.  If the
Kermit team has any additional hints they would be greatly appreciated.  As
it stands I often end up giving up and having the user accept that he/she
just can't run Kermit under Windows.  It is very frustrating for everyone
concerned.  Particularly since many of these users ask, "But why does program
XYZ work with my modem when Kermit can't".  I don't have an answer for them.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:05:19 -0500
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In article <3k7p51$[e-mail]>,
Mike Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
>we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
>rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
>to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?

I believe (and it's only a memory) that Windows can't hack having a COM4
unless it also knows about COM3!

marshall
--
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- [e-mail]]

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I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
and zmodem transfers.

I just performed the following little experiment:

I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
and the PC dir also gives 5103.
BUT
Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
dir gives 4999.

IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
and kermit did not.

Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more
definitive experiment.

TX ........ Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: File Lengths
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In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>

>I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
>I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
>I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
>Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
>and the PC dir also gives 5103.
>BUT
>Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
>dir gives 4999.
>
>IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
>and kermit did not.

Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently
file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between
different types of systems.

When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode
therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF
combination.

Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion.  So you
might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between
two different systems.

Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to
support VMS specific File types.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (JamesSturdevant)
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Subject: Re: Kermit challenge
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In article <3k6ton$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber) writes:

>What I want to do is:

>1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
>2. telnet through kermit to another workstation

Don't use telnet here.  Use set host {hostname} instead.  Then input and
output commands work fine.  Telnet is an internal macro for set host... and
connect.

>3. hit return (with the script)
>4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
>5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
>6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
>7. login, password, upload a request file
>8. wait, wait, wait
>9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
>10. cleanly quit and smile.

>At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
>I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
>session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
>service, and is moy only modem pool connection.

>Can someone explain how to do the above?
>How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)?

>A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!!

JamesS

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I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
to get a key to work as END.

Any suggestions?

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In article <3k5lvn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Vi Nham) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.
>
>I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
>no success.
>
>The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1).
>and I am login at 12000 baud.

Most ZMODEM programs will not operate over a 7-bit link.  Either you
must use ZMODEM-90(Tm) or choose another protocol such as Kermit.

However, unless you download mostly text files you will not be happy
with the throughput over a 7-bit link.  Even ZMODEM-90 PACK-7 mode
is about 20% slower on compressed files than an 8 bit link would allow.
So you might investigate running the link at 8 bits.

In many cases the fact that you log in at 7e1 does not mean you are
constrained to a 7-bit link.  You may simply have a poor ZMODEM on
your DOS machine.  Try ZCOMM and see what happens.


The ZCOMM files are available on Compuserve SCOFORUM, UNIXFORUM,
IBMCOM, Genie IBM PC RT, TeleGodzilla 503-621-3746, or ftp
Oak.oakland.edu: pub/msdos/zmodem:

    zcommdoc.zip zcommexe.zip zcommhlp.zip

The newest FTP site is ftp.cs.pdx.edu (131.252.20.12).  The pub/zmodem
directory contains the largest and most up-to-date collection of RZ/SZ,
DSZ, GSZ, ZCOMM and Professional-YAM files of any FTP site.

--
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   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chris Holmes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
>PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
>to get a key to work as END.  Any suggestions?
>
The VT220 does not have an END key.  Maybe you are confusing the VT220 with
a PC running software (like MS-DOS Kermit) to emulate a VT220?  If so, then
maybe you mean the function that makes a rolled-back screen go back down to
the bottom?  If so, the answer is no.  Rollback in Mac Kermit is accomplished
with the mouse and scrollbar.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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Christoph Gartmann ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
: In my ini script I have to use a
:   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
: in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
: setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
: from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
: Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
: is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
: to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
: excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
: is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(

I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when
I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4.  I tried testing the
port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port"
command, but that didn't fix the error.  I'll try re-issuing the "set
com4" as well - thanks for the idea!

Even if this works, I expect to return to DOS most of the time.  MSK runs
perfectly at 57.6 kbps under DOS, but it loses characters under Windows
unless I slow it down.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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In article <3k7p51$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
> |>     When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
> |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
> |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
> |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.
>
> This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication
> with a user with a modem on COM4.  Her modem would not work at all with Kermit
> until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5.  Then it worked under DOS but not
> Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
> we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
> rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
> to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?
------------
    Fellas, this is a Windows configuration problem. Mr. Gates & Co
make lots of money selling Windows, and rumors have it that they even
offer Tech Support for the product. For those unable to wait and wait
on the T.S. phone line there is always the alternative of using Windows
to configure the serial port to match the hardware.
    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
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Vi Nham ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1.  Hence I am stuck with
:       7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem??

As I read the docs, yes.  Kermit is the only standard protocol that runs
over 7-bit links.  However, some connections switch to 8-bit
automatically when you need it.  You don't mention running zmodem on your
ms-dos machine.  You aren't expecting MS-Kermit to receive the zmodem
download, are you?  (I'll omit the obvious question of why use zmodem
when Kermit is already running.)
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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Brian D. Schieber ([e-mail]) wrote:

: What I want to do is:

: 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
: 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation
: 3. hit return (with the script)
: 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...

: At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
: I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
: session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"

As a non-wizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "disconnected from my
kermit session."  What message do you get?  Are you sure the network
variables are correct for telnetting?  Does it work when you type in
the commands instead of running the script?
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David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>>I get ATT or just A
>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>>ATDDT5551134
>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>>No effect.
>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.

>The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
>or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.

I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the
missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side.
I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was
supposed to be echoed back.

From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the
cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below).

>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.

I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had
PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows
I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the
data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting
duplicated or garbled up.

Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.

Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
that there is something WRONG with the UART?

-Fozz
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Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key
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Chris Holmes ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
: PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
: to get a key to work as END.

: Any suggestions?

Forgot to say, its Mac Kermit 189.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3k9k97$[e-mail]>,
Fozziliny Moo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
>(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
>computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
>that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
>at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
>running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.
>
>Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
>on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
>do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
>will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
>that there is something WRONG with the UART?
>
Anything is possible.  There are a lot of supposedly buffered UARTs that
don't buffer at all (much discussion of this in comp.dcom.modems, q.v.).

But you didn't say whether Kermit works now that you upgraded your system
and SYSTEM.INI.  Windows hides the actual UART from the application, and
presents it with a "virtual" (simulated) UART.  Kermit gets to see whatever
Windows lets it see.  Type SHOW COMM in Kermit, and see if reports FIFO
(buffering) capability for the port.  If not, then Windows is hiding the
UART's 16550nes from Kermit.

The second question is: Does Kermit work well under plain DOS, no Windows
loaded?

If Kermit works well under DOS but not under Windows, then you'll have to
start digging through you Windows configuration files in even greater
detail than you have already.  Even then, it is unlikely to work as well
or as fast, since, under Windows, everthing -- screen writes, port i/o
in particular -- is virtualized and simulated and thus carries a of
overhead.  I.e. Kermit doesn't have the whole computer to itself, as it
does in DOS.  Kind of like the difference between driving on a wide-open
deserted highway and the Long Island Expressway at rush hour...

- Frank

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Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem.
To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows
to work with a modem on COM4.  Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4...
Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough.  I had
to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by:

   edit \windows\system.ini
   Search for the [386Enh] section
   Add the following line
    COM3IRQ=-1

I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4.
So in my case, the file looked like this:

   COM3IRQ=-1
   COM4Base=02E8
   COM4IRQ=5

Note that I could have added all three lines with EDIT and avoided the Control
Panels...Ports interface.

One final observation: Joe is right that this is a Windows configuration
problem, not a Kermit configuration problem.  But I suspect that several
users at my University are badmouthing Kermit because of this Windows
problem.  I think a few lines should be added to kermit.bwr alerting
others of this Windows snafu.
--

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From: [e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco)
Subject: Re: Linux ?
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:

>
>        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
>
>Ted Stevens
>
>--
     You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.

-Curtiss

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: File Lengths
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Jim Green ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
: and zmodem transfers.

Two things that I have noticed in changing file sizes, and I can't remember
which protocol was involved (Kermit or ZModem).

If you transfer a file from UNIX to MSDOS, and transfer in the "text" mode,
the output will be padded by some number of CRLF in place of LF in the
original file, whether _you_ think the original was binary or not.

On UNIX: wc /bin/ls
      96     440   13352 /bin/ls
After transferring in a "text" mode, ls would grow to 13448, because there
appear to be 96 lines in it.  It also wouldn't work any more ;-(

The other oddity that I have seen is a padding to modulo 512.  I think that
it was ZModem that was doing this.  This would leave ls as 13824.

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Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: File Lengths
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In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
>
> I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
> and zmodem transfers.
>
> I just performed the following little experiment:
>
> I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
> I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
> I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
> Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
> and the PC dir also gives 5103.
> BUT
> Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
> dir gives 4999.
>
> IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
> and kermit did not.
>
> Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more
> definitive experiment.
>
> TX ........ Jim Green ............ [e-mail]
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    Most likely you got involved with binary versus text mode
transfers. If the file were really text then each of the transfer
steps should have used text as it's "mode." Text mode is stored
differently on every machine so file size is strictly a local value.
But if some steps used binary mode then raw bytes come across the
wire and the "record boundaries/end of line indicators" may/will
be all wrong. For example, Unix uses LF as eol indicators, DOS
uses CR/LF, VMS typically implies CR/LF for text, and so on. It's
up to you to choose the mode since there is no certain way of
distinguishing pure text from data of some kind.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
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James M. McClain <[e-mail]> says:
|If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse -
|totally incomprehensable.

That's an understatement--he must've gone to school somewhere to write
as obtusely (and narcissticly) as he does.

Yeechang "Loyal Kermit user, and not just because I work for AcIS" Lee
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Lanciani)
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Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
| In article <3iuspg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
| > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
| > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
| > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
| > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
| > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
| > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
| > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.
| >
| > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
| > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
| > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
| > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
| > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
| > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
| > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.
| >
| > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?
| >
| > Thanking you in advance
| >
| > Peter
| >
| > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
| > address, because our news stuff here lags several days.
| > --
| > Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
| > Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
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| > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY
| ---------------
|     All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be
| since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local
| wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect
| duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and
| they can't really avoid doing so.

The original poster is not asking that ARPs not be used.  He is asking that
applications not foolishly assume that they will never see their own
broadcasts.  Or at least that the resulting erroneous message not be fatal.

|     The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that
| simple.

The local echoing is not stupid at all.  There has long been confusion
about whether clients of various network interface standards will
see their own transmissions.  In some cases no loopback occurs and
in others unicast packets are looped while broadcast packets are not.
The choice is often left to the indivudual hardware driver.  NDIS3
resolves the issue once and for all by declaring that a client
will see any packet that it transmits if that packet is acceptable
to the current filter.  In other words, the fact that you sent the
packet will not influence whether you receive it.

Unfortunately, programs like kermit don't even bother to check the
hardware source address of received packets before complaining that
someone has stolen their IP address.  (Now that *is* a bit stupid.)
But fear not.  To accommodate programs that insist on such silly
assumptions, the latest version of ndis3pkt has an option (enabled by
default) to hide a program's own broadcasts from itself.  This should
restore peace to the post-3.14 kermit world...

                Dan Lanciani
                ddl@harvard.*

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
>a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
>applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
>then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.

Please note that I wrote:
>>>Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right,
>>>too.

Thus, I did configure COM4 under windows! That's why I can use COM4 together
with the MS terminal program shipped allong with Windows (VT52 & VT100).

>    Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set
>regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two
>devices using the same IRQ.

Under Windows there doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem, the same under DOS.
And under DOS started from within Windows there is one but only the first
time I call Kermit. Exiting Kermit and just entering Kermit again makes
the "IRQ-problem" disappear...

Regards,
  Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.

Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial
card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to
configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran
the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine),
only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt
and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it
again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic
to me...

Hoping for some insight
  Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Subject: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
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Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
the way that C-Kermit does?  I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros, but so far haven't figured out if this
is possible.  I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem
to lose something in translation.  I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and
Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92.


--
Randy Anderson
[e-mail]         "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries.
Loral Federal Systems       We only have small, large, and super-size."
Manassas, VA                                       - McDonald's employee

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:33:26 GMT
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James M. McClain) writes:

|> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
|> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
|> help much.

I have to say that I find the manuals to be both clearly-written and
helpful with regard to learning Kermit.  The "Using C-Kermit" book
in particular has lots of good information which would be difficult
to find elsewhere.  "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is somewhat
out of date by now, but I still found it to be a useful reference as
well as a good introduction to data communications programming concepts.

--
Randy Anderson
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Loral Federal Systems       We only have small, large, and super-size."
Manassas, VA                                       - McDonald's employee

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From: [e-mail] (Theo CHINO)
Subject: The Cyberspace Homeless
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    Hello Cyberspace,
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    As I was browing the net today, I came to the conclusion that I should put
these disclaimers.
    1) This is not a scam.
    2) I am not going to repost this again.
    3) This is really a true story.
    4) My real name is Theo CHINO

    This morning I tried to send this message. I failed. I got reminded by the
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    Let put it that way, I am selling a service which is "nothing" for the price
of a dollar and a stamp. My name is Theo Chino, and I have a story to tell. My story
is at http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo. I didn't want to put it on the Net, but
desperation made me do so . My problem is that I am going insane for something I did
several years ago. I am in trouble. I have a stack of bill that I can not pay. I have
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Superhiway.
    In a sense, I am proud to be a homeless on the Internet. I might be raising
some issues. Because this message will be posted in most of the groups, I ask you, I
beg you, Moderator, to let this message on your newsgroup. I am asking you to be open,
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    The Cyberspace Homeless.


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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
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In article <3k45hm$[e-mail]>,
Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
>the way that C-Kermit does?
>
The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability.

>I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros...
>
Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros.  That was
the "old way", which no longer works.  See the KERMIT.BWR file for
details.  The new way is to send actual Kermit commands embedded in APC
escape sequences.

>...but so far haven't figured out if this
>is possible.  I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem
>to lose something in translation.  I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and
>Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92.
>
Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b,
files ik0*.* and ikc*.*.  It has an APC command.  To write macros to
use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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In article <3k9k97$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>
>>>I get ATT or just A
>>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>>>ATDDT5551134
>>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>>>No effect.
>>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.
>
>>The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
>>or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
>>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
>>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.
>
> I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the
> missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side.
> I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was
> supposed to be echoed back.
>
> From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the
> cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below).
>
>>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
>>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
>>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.
>
> I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had
> PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows
> I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the
> data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting
> duplicated or garbled up.
>
> Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
> (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
> computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
> that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
> at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
> running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.
>
> Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
> on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
> do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
> will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
> that there is something WRONG with the UART?
-------
Doran,
    From all you've told us I draw the conclusion that your motherboard's
UART is broken. If it really does 16550A emulation then Kermit and Windows
would use it with no problem. But if it pretends to be a 16550A but fails
to operate correctly then both programs will get caught; this appears to
by the case at hand.
    My suggestion is insert a regular serial board in the machine to
double check that it will work fine. Also don't overtune the hardware and
thus cause system bus problems. FIFO control is done by each application
program needing the serial port; there is no supplementary driver nor TSR
etc that will or even could help.
        Joe D.

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Can anybody help?

I dare say this is a FAQ so I appologise in advance. After talking with
several people I still don't have a definitive answer.

I am looking for a copy of Kermit or the source that can be compiled to
run on a unix platform running Interactive 4.0 / 4.1. I would like to
distribute this free with an application to enable me to carry out remote
maintenance. It may be that there are several versions of kermit some of
which are freeware I really don't know, if someone can answer this
question and possibly point me in the right direction with an ftp address
I would be most grateful.

Thanks for your time

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:43:08 GMT
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In article <3kc5k5$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3k45hm$[e-mail]>,
>Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
>>the way that C-Kermit does?
>>
>The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability.
>
>>I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
>>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
>>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros...
>>
>Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros.  That was
>the "old way", which no longer works.

In fact, the CMS Kermit distribution includes a file of sample EXEC's
called ikcaux.cmd -- this contains, among other things, an obsolete
version of a PC EXEC, using TERMINALS, that incorporates both SEND and
GET functions.  The only reason it hasn't been upgraded is that no one
has complained yet.

>Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b,
>files ik0*.* and ikc*.*.  It has an APC command.  To write macros to
>use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX.

 ... or use EXEC 2 if you prefer.  Both have mechanisms for invoking
Kermit subcommands directly.
                    John




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I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of
MS-DOS Kermit.

I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line.

After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script
which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the
output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then
transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command
line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original
log file.

Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program
which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output
makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file;
sometimes it does not.

Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit
transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows
down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the
program more consistently.

 Any ideas on why we're seeing such flaky results? Any
suggestions? Thanks!!   marci

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Green)
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Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4.  Mike I too would like
to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5.  In fact I have been trying to
get help for several months, but it has not been forthcomming.
Private correspondence with JRD and a carefull reading of the .BWR
file seem to say the following:

When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a
serial device there (ie a UART), if there is BIOS assigns the logical
name COM1 to it.  It then looks at 02f8 and like wise if there is a
UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2.  However, if there is
NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical
name ***COM1*** to 03f8.  The docs further seem to say that if there
is NO UART at 03e8, but there is at 02e8, thern BIOS assigns the
logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4.

Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is
this what they say???  Do you believe it???

Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
manuals???

Best wishes ....... Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3kbkp8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
>>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
>>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
>>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
>>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
>>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.
>
> Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial
> card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to
> configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran
> the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine),
> only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt
> and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it
> again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic
> to me...
----------------
    The insight has already been written up in the MSK release docs.
But one more time, the bare essentials of the problem.
    COMx is a logical name used for convenience and means the x'th
serial port. It does NOT mean a particular port and IRQ value.
    The Bios looks for serial ports at \03f8 and \02f8 and if found
fills in those port addresses to a table. First found first filled in.
The four table entries available represent COM1...COM4. Only a few BIOS'
search beyond these two addresses, hence COM3 and COM4 table slots are
empty.
    A number of modem comms programs provide a table of COMx selections
together with port and IRQ numbers. Associations like this are strictly
up to the author of the program, and now you know why.
    What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them
with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel.
    Very very few programs can deduce IRQ usage. MSD and friends do
not, and all they show are the "common" usages with no testing to check.
MS-DOS Kermit can deduce, but restricts itself to IRQ 4 and 3 only to
preserve the safety of your machine. No two boards may share an IRQ;
only one device per IRQ even if the device is "unused."
    From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must
be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers
cut looking at all the boards in detail.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: DOS kermit transmit pblm
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In article <3kd7q2$5o6$[e-mail]>,
marci kickliter  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of
>MS-DOS Kermit.
> I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line.
>After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script
>which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the
>output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then
>transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command
>line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original
>log file.
> Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program
>which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output
>makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file;
>sometimes it does not.
> Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit
>transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows
>down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the
>program more consistently.
>
Merci for the report, Marci.

The problem is that the TRANSMIT command also reads stuff back,
searching for echos, linefeeds, prompts, and suchlike, and
is therefore likely to absorb the thing you are looking for
before you get a chance to see it.

Instead of using TRANSMIT, you should simply OUTPUT the line.
OUTPUT sends stuff without reading anything back.  The INPUT
and OUTPUT commands are specifically designed for synchronized
interactions like this.

- Frank O'Cruz (one day late for St. Patricks day...)
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: COM4
Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:43:37 GMT
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In article <3kdd8m$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...about problems using COM4...
>Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
>before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
>manuals???
>
Jim is frustrated by the exact same thing that is frustrating countless
people all over the world: the junky architecture of the PC and its
add-ons.  He is dissatisfied with our documentation on the subject,
particularly the KERMIT.BWR file section on COM3/COM4 and internal modems.

I don't blame him one bit.  I think it would be a revelation if anybody
was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time
and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this.  We
all know it's way up in the hundreds of billions of dollars.  Are PCs
really making us more productive?  It's an interesting question, a topic
for some other newsgroup, but personally, I doubt it.

If PCs are supposed to be for ordinary people, then how on earth do we
expect ordinary people to content with address and interrupt conflicts,
noisy buses, buggy internal modems, memory management, and all the rest?
I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to PCs, yet it took me over a month
to get my IBM PS/VP working with Ethernet board, CD-ROM drive, and one
(not two) COM ports.  Forget about sound boards, internal modems, serial
mice, joysticks, ...

We do our best to figure out this mess and explain it to people, and I
believe we have done more and better than most.  If anybody has additional
information or other suggestions about this sort of thing, feel free to
contribute.  For example, the item from Mike Smith the other day, showing
how to tell Windows that you had no COM3 even though you did have a COM4
was extremely helpful, and we have added it to the KERMIT.BWR file.

The BWR file is dense, I know.  Eventually it will be "humanized" and
folded into a new edition of the book.  People would like to look in the
BWR file and find step-by-step procedure to solve their own particular
problem.  Unfortunately that is not possible because there is an infinite
number of such problems, so you'll have to learn the underlying principles
and problems and then apply that knowledge to the problem at hand.  That's
what we have tried to do.  All suggestions for improvement are welcome.

Jim, hang in there.  It's not easy, it's frustrating, but it CAN be done.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I don't blame him one bit.  I think it would be a revelation if anybody
: was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time
: and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this.  We

And the false trails followed after a "diagnostic", like MSD, tells a user
that certain things are true.
With regards to IRQ, the MSD.EXE might as well be hypertext, it doesn't know
much, if anything, about the hardware, especially if MSD is invoked from a
DOS shell under Windows.

The "first found, first used" algorithm works well, making a modem
strapped for COM4 usable in a PC that has one or two existing comm ports.
Blind Luck, and the best that a modem manufacturer can do.

The "unused" IRQ for the other COM2 seems to live quietly, running a
different terminal emulator, not simultaneous with Kermit.
I don't trust the setup, but the user involved is happy.

In order to get PCPlus^H^H^H^H^H another comm program to use Com4, he has to
run MSKermit first ;-).  Actually, I scarfed some comms utility from
somewhere that pokes the BIOS for him, but MSKermit worked, although it
whined a little about the address/IRQ being requested, on first execution.

When users tell me that MSKermit won't work with XXX, but the amazing,
wonderful, whats-its-name package will, I suggest to them that they are
running on borrowed time, and please don't process any financial data ;-)

Later you find that it "works fine", except for the occasional lockup.

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Subject: No connectionm with Kermit
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I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit.
Can someone help?

I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UP version 9.0

This is my .kermrc file:

set line /dev/ttyd00
set speed 19200
set file type binary
set parity none
set block-check 1
set duplex full
set flow-control none
set modem-dialer hayes
log session kermitlog
connect


Afterwards I type ATDT plus the phone number. I get a normal
CONNECT 19200 message but afterwards nothing happens. I can't type
any signs (the cursor doesn't move) and I don't see any characters
from the remote computer.

With a PC I have no problems in communicating using the settings 8N1.
With the HP computer, but using the communication program "cu" there
are no problems either...

Does anyone have an idea?


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From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 17:00:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: No connectionm with Kermit
Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:00:13 GMT
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In article <3kh8m8$[e-mail]>,
Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit.
>I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UX version 9.0...
>This is my .kermrc file...:
>
I have the EXACT SAME configuration here and it works perfectly.
You are probably running the ancient version of C-Kermit that
HP distributed with HP-UX 9.0.  My suggestion: get the current
release of C-Kermit, which knows a LOT more about HP-UX than the
old one did:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make hpux90 (restricted bundled compiler)

or:

  make hpux90o700 (unbundled optimizing compiler)

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

If you have any trouble with the new version, send email to
[e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Green)
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Frank, thank you for your kind sympathy expressed in you response
to my recent post re COM4........but you didn't answer the question:

A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private

correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following:

When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if

there is a serial device there (eg a UART).  If there is,

BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it.  It then

looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there,

it assigns the logical name COM2.



However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at

02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8

(where COM2 would normally be found.  The Kermit docs

further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other

serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then

BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead

of COM4.

Is this true??????????????


If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal

with this eventuality?????????????


Sorry for the double spacing --- I hate emacs!!!


Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: More COM4
Date: 19 Mar 1995 20:53:32 GMT
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In article <3ki3ha$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...but you didn't answer the question:
>
>A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private
>correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following:
>
>When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if
>there is a serial device there (eg a UART).  If there is,
>BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it.  It then
>looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there,
>it assigns the logical name COM2.
>
Yes, but...  we're talking about the IBM BIOS, and since the
early 80s, every PC clone maker has had to "reverse engineer"
the IBM BIOS, so there can be no guarantees that every single
one of them does it exactly the same way.

>However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at
>02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8
>(where COM2 would normally be found.
>
Yes, that's what we say in KERMIT.BWR, verified by reality
checks on real hardware -- but obviously we have not checked
every PC clone that has ever been made.

>The Kermit docs
>further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other
>serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then
>BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead
>of COM4.  Is this true??????????????
>
No.  Most BIOS's do not go beyond COM2.  The IBM PS/2 BIOS
was an exception, but the poor PS/2 is now "discredited" because
(I venture to say) the quality was too high, the design was
too good.  (OK, OK, there were some marketing and price issues...)

>If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal
>with this eventuality?????????????
>
They simply use hardwired addresses and IRQs for COM1-4, and
forge ahead.  Sometimes they provide a menu that lets you change
these items, sometimes not.

As we try real hard to point out, this is not necessarily a good
approach, because if the hardwired default address and IRQ are
not good guesses, and in fact belong to some other device, all
sorts of terrible things could happen.  And please remember that
ALL ports above COM2 are, by definition, configured in a
nonstandard way BECAUSE (outside of the PS/2) THERE IS NO
STANDARD.

Kermit software will err on the side of safety, so sometimes you
have to do a little bit of extra work to make it use COM3 and
COM4.  However, we do try to be nice -- we assume the most
widely used addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4 (and we even
take into account whether the machine is a PS/2 or not), but we
TEST THEM FIRST to make sure we really have UARTs there.  The
test is a safe (nondestructive) test, and if it fails there is
definitely something amiss -- or at least *different* -- in your
PC configuration, and then you have to figure out what's wrong
and fix it.  All the things we talk about in the KERMIT.BWR file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ivan Siew)
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Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can
I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only
holds the assembly version. Thanks

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>,
| Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
| >

| >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
| >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
| >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
| >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
| >and the PC dir also gives 5103.
| >BUT
| >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
| >dir gives 4999.
| >
| >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
| >and kermit did not.

| Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently
| file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between
| different types of systems.

| When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode
| therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF
| combination.

| Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion.  So you
| might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between
| two different systems.

| Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to
| support VMS specific File types.

    On a related note, does anyone know why when using
    sz from unix and then using sz from dos on the same
    binary file, one gets two different file sizes ??

    For example, if I sz a zipped file onto unix,
    unzip works fine.  But if I copy that file to
    dos, pkunzip freaks out saying the file is
    corrupted.  So I have to sz the file directly
    into dos using the dos version of sz.  Then of
    course pkunzip works fine after I download the
    file.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Witbeck)
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I have a USR Sportster 28.8.
When I use connect I get a good connection.
When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds to
28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas???


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
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[Posted to alt.hypertext, comp.infosystems.www.users, and
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.]

I want to create online documentation of processes that are run
interactively from the MS-DOS prompt for the benefit of the users who run
them.  I want this documentation to be readily available and easily
summoned, much like a UNIX man page.  But unlike a man page, I'd like
this documentation to be non-linear and intuitive (i.e., hypertext).

Because I'm currently learning HTML, and because the World Wide Web is the
preeminent hypertext application, it makes sense to use a Web browser for
the purpose I've just described.  Is there a simple Web browser for MS-DOS
that I could use as a hypertext reader?  Ideally, this is what I would do:

     o   Compile Lynx for MS-DOS.  Not DOSLYNX, which is a TurboVision-
         based clone, but the "real" UNIX/VMS Lynx browser (which I
         presume uses curses), with "vi keys", etc.

     o   Use a good VT-series terminal emulator like MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
         as the "interface" (if that's what one would call it).

     o   Seamlessly integrate the two utilities and automate the process
         of invoking them simultaneously.

     o   Create my online help as HTML documents, accessible from a local
         "home page" on our NetWare file server.

Well, do you see where I'm coming from?  Am I pipe dreaming?  Is any of
this even remotely possible?  If not, can you suggest a solution that IS
possible?

Any hints or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!


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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: Thanks for the help...
Date: 20 Mar 1995 03:21:25 -0800
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    A few weeks back I posted to this forum regarding an
attempt to connect TO a U**X system FROM an IBM mainframe.
Although this wasn't a case where a Kermit flavor existed to
solve the problem (so far as I can tell), I received many helpful
responses via email and this group. With the help of these
combined insights, I was able to point someone in the direction
of a utility which, I am told, has made connection possible. I
didn't get around to replying to these responders before other
projects got away with my time. So to one and all... Thanks!
    I was pleased, but not surprised, by the response I got
to the question I posted; this forum exemplifies how a community
can develop on the Net to support an idea or issue -- or
high-quality software. To me the idea of Kermit "itself" is
inseparable from the support infrastructure -- the books on one
hand, the active Kermit community on the other. I don't know of
any other software which thrives on such a synergy of users,
developers &c., except possibly such grass-roots platforms as
Linux &c.
    Well, I'm wasting bandwidth. But I thought some positive
feedback couldn't hurt. Keep up the good work people!
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit
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In article <3kidvd$[e-mail]>, Ivan Siew <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C.
>
No.  Strange though it may seem, MS-DOS Kermit is written mostly in assembler.
There is no MS-DOS Kermit written in C.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chuck Witbeck <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a USR Sportster 28.8.
>When I use connect I get a good connection.
>When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds
> to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas???
>
This is such a Frequently Asked Question that it is time to add it to our
FAQ, ftp:/kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt.

(15) WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32BIS (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR
     "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)"

Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit".  To
recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400,
that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate
their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful
connection, and change their interface speed to match.  Thus, the
communication software would also have to change its own interface speed,
or else the user would see only garbage.

Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the
modulation speed.  The interface speed can be kept constant even though
the modulation speed changes.  Or not, depending on how the modem is
configured.

Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its
interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and
therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800"
(or whatever) message.  By default, for compatibility with the huge
installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes
its interface speed according to the CONNECT message.

So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is
an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to
change its interface speed by giving it the command:

  SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF

Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds
that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as
14400 and 28800.  Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or
28800).  But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want
Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked.  You
would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change
speed" message.

See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail.

- Frank

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From [e-mail] Sat Mar 18 22:01:58 1995
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:48:56 AST
From: OLIVIA TSANG <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: survey

From:    MOON::CTSANG       "OLIVIA TSANG" 18-MAR-1995 21:45:47.72
To:    CTSANG
CC:
Subj:    survey

QUESTIONNAIRE - COMPUTER AND ENTERTAINMENT

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi all internet users!
My name is Olivia.  I am doing a study on how people use computers to
entertain themselves.  I would like to know how do you use computer to
(e.g. play computer games) entertain yourself.  How so these computer
entertainment activities affect you both positively and negatively?

Please note also:
*Questionaire answers will be kept confidentically;
* This questionaire will be posted for 8 days so please be sure to
send me the answers before March 26, 1995.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FILLING OUT THIS QUESTIONAIRE.  YOUR ANSWERS
ARE IMPORTANT TO MY STUDY.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please check the appropriate box and fill in the appropriate answer:

(1) Are you         [] Female    []Male

(2) WHat is your age?    [] Below 14    [] 14-18    []19-24
            [] 25-35    [] 36-50    [] Over 50

(3) Are you a student?
    []Yes
    Please specify your level of education and the program you are in.
        []Secondary school    Grade: ___________
        [] Post-secondary    Program: ___________________________
                         (e.g. Bachelor of Commerce)
        []Post-graduate        Program: ________________________________
                         (e.g. MBA)
        []Other         ____________________________________

    []No

(4) What is your present job status?
    []Contract employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Full-time employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Part-time employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Unemployed

(5) Do you own a computer at home?
    []Yes
    []No

(6) Do you have to use computer at work?
    []Yes
        Approximately how many hours per week? _____________________
    []No

(7) Do you use computer for entertainment purpose(s) (e.g. games, music,
    movie, etc.)?
    []Yes
        Please list computer entertainment activities you do and
        the length of time you spend on each activity:

      Entertainment activities            Hours spent on
                            activity each week
     a. ______________________________________    __________________
     b. ______________________________________    __________________
     c. ______________________________________    __________________

(8) Do the above computer activities help you to relax?
    []Yes
    []No

(9) What is(are) the effect(s), both good and bad, of the above computer
    activity(s) on you?
    (e.g. playing computer games help me to release my frustrations but I
    may spend too much time on playing games)
    Good effects: ___________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    Bad effects: ____________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________

(10) Do you think that computer is a good channel for entertainment?
    []Yes
        Please explain: _________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    []No

(11) Do you have any comment on "Computer and Entertainment"?

    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________



        THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CO-OPERATION :)



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: COM4
Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:11:07 -0500
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There's a bit of latency confusing this discussion, but since Jim asked
me some direct questions, I think I should respond.  Briefly, ...

In article <3kdd8m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
|> Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4.  Mike I too would like
|> to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5.  In fact I have been trying to
|>
|> ... stuff deleted ...
|>
|> Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is
|> this what they say???  Do you believe it???

I have said that the docs are clear and I admire the Kermit books.

I have read the KERMIT.BWR file several times.  As Frank observed, parts
of this file are "dense".  I learned a lot reading the section explaining
COM ports and IRQs but not enough to solve my particular problem with
COM4 and Kermit under Windows.  The solution to my COM4 problem depended
on a Windows configuration detail not included in the beware file.  Frank
has since posted that KERMIT.BWR will be updated to include that information.
I think this further confirms my faith in the documentation.  Thanks Frank.

|>
|> Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
|> before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
|> manuals???
|>

I own "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit".  I have read, but do not
own, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol".  It was that book which convinced
me to recommend Columbia's Kermit as the basic comm program for Queen's
University.  We started a new Internet service for students last September
and there are now approximately 10,000 registered users.  Not everyone
uses Kermit to connect to this service but thousands do.  I could not
support them without Columbia's excellent books and the help I've received
from Frank, Joe, and others in comp.protocols.kermit.misc.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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    I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a
PC.

Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to Foxpro
for Windows on the PC.  The app on the PDP-11 is generating text files in an
SDF format.  The intent is for the user to run a script to transfer seven of
these files to their PC.  I have a similar setup for another app which works
fine.

systems:  Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21)
          DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60

symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK
*except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five packets
go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported.  It
appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it
never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen.
Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank
file on the PC.

    I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the
trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file.  This imports
into Foxpro as a blank record.  All the other text files will transfer in
text mode OK.
    I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and
handshaking to no avail.  The .BWR and .INS files don't address this
directly.  They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets
which I already disabled.

    What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in
text mode?  TIA!

--
Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness.

"Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice"
Andy Wing  Temple U. Computer Services    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

...
>    What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them
>with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel.

I did this and that's why Kermit works under DOS and works under DOS within
Windows if I invoke it twice.

...
>    From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must
>be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers
>cut looking at all the boards in detail.

No, after all [e-mail] (Mike Smith) gave the right hint:

> Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem.
> To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows
> to work with a modem on COM4.  Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4...
> Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough.  I had
> to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by:
>
>    edit \windows\system.ini
>    Search for the [386Enh] section
>    Add the following line
>     COM3IRQ=-1
>
> I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4.
> So in my case, the file looked like this:
>
>    COM3IRQ=-1
>    COM4Base=02E8
>    COM4IRQ=5

Since I did this everything is working fine from within Windows. By the way:
I am using IRQ 7, so no need to stick with IRQ 5 as mentioned by a previous
poster.

And it is definitevly a good idea to include this topic into the BWR file!

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Saurian)
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Subject: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits.
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I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and
greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed
since 5A(188)

The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know
if it has been fixed.

NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE
SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :)

The problem is that the following line is in the "conres"
routine in the "ckutio" module.

   if (!isatty(0)) return(0);

Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not
called from a tty.

OK sounds lagit, BUT ...

When kermit is called from a popen from another software
package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software
package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's
special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres"
never gets executed.

An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe
to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and
then specify the following, everything works perfectly until
kermit returns.

   | (kermit -v 10 -s - )

At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's
CBREAK mode has been reset.

Has this been fixed?

I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support
mail box.

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[snip]
Is it *absolutely* necessary for you to use com4?  I've only 3 ports,
so I moved my mouse to com2 (required switching my 25-pin and 9-pin
plugs around) so that I could use com3 without problems.  Later, when
I switched my modem irq from 4 to 5, I continued to not have problems.
You do need to place some pertinent information in your mscustom.ini
file.

set com3 \x3e8 5
set port com3

That should do it for you.  If you feel compelled to use com4 (and don't
have a com3), replace the com3s with com4s in the above.  Somebody else
posted a way to lie to Windows about the presence of a com3 when one is
not available, but I don't remember which post it was.  This isn't rocket
science, people.  I'd much rather configure Kermit than Trumpet Winsock.

Sorry about the snotty tone, but I'm more than a little tired of hearing
some of the whining that goes on in this group.  Joe, Frank, Christine,
& Co. work their butts off to give us the finest communications software
available--please try to be a little more understanding when they ask
to be paid for their efforts.  Where else can you get an integrated
terminal emulation and file transfer protocol that handles so many
character sets and yet is so incredibly robust, that has no artificial
limits imposed on the ftp-able copy, that comes bundled with documentation,
and has its own newsgroup dedicated to supporting its users, all without
costing you a penny unless you find that you NEED the full documentation?

C'mon, guys--there ain't no free lunch.  Download Kermit.  Use it.  If
you find that it is the best thing since sliced bread (and it is), order
the documentation.  $40 is cheap for something that works so well.

Bye,

Troy Smith

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From: [e-mail] (Arnatt Klinsong)
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Subject: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit
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 am using ckermit 189 for Linux.
I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr

expect {
        "DIALIN-2>"        goto dialin2
        "DIALIN-3>"        goto dialin3
        "term="                goto setterm
        "aaaa"                goto a-a
        .
        .
        nad so on...
        }

ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input

Ak
Thanks in Advance


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From: [e-mail] (Arnatt Klinsong)
Subject: Re: Linux ?
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Curtiss Cicco ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>
: [e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:
:
: >
: >        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
: >
: >Ted Stevens
: >
: >--
:      You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
: systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
: the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.
:
: -Curtiss

or get a binary version of 189 at
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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Thomas David Nichols ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when
: I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4.  I tried testing the
: port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port"
: command, but that didn't fix the error.  I'll try re-issuing the "set
: com4" as well - thanks for the idea!

Reissuing both commands wasn't enough.  I have found the pattern,
though.  It happens only the first time after I use the modem with a
native Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager).  CIM switches
the flow control from rts/cts to xon/off, disables data compression (MNP5
and V.42bis), and sets max time for diagnostic tests from 255 to 0.
Otherwise, the modem settings are untouched.  I guess Windows just
doesn't want to give up control of COM4.  Maybe if I put the right amount
of delay at the right place in the script it would work the first time,
or at least the second time.  100 ms between "set com" and "set port" did
not help when I tried it before.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits.
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:05:24 GMT
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In article <saur.795725006@mercury> [e-mail] (Saurian)
writes:
> I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and
> greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed
> since 5A(188)
> The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know
> if it has been fixed.
> NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE
> SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :)
> The problem is that the following line is in the "conres"
> routine in the "ckutio" module.
>    if (!isatty(0)) return(0);
> Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not
> called from a tty.
> OK sounds lagit, BUT ...
> When kermit is called from a popen from another software
> package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software
> package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's
> special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres"
> never gets executed.
> An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe
> to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and
> then specify the following, everything works perfectly until
> kermit returns.
>
>    | (kermit -v 10 -s - )
>
> At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's
> CBREAK mode has been reset.
>
> Has this been fixed?
>
> I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support
> mail box.
>
You have.

If !isatty(0), then not only does Kermit not restore the terminal,
it doesn't change it in the first place.  Therefore, this problem
*should* not be happening.  We can take this offline to work on it
more detail.

Meanwhile, any program that puts the tty in a special mode and then
invokes other programs should be a bit more defensive.  Like the shell,
for example:

  $ cat blah | kermit -s -

The terminal is fine afterwards.

Third, you can give Kermit a file descriptor on the command for the
communication channel.  This prevents Kermit from opening and conditioning
the line:

  | kermit -l 1 -s -

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:08:20 GMT
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In article <3klcgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arnatt
Klinsong) writes:
>  am using ckermit 189 for Linux.
> I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto
function too. my question, what is the best way to constr
>
> expect {
>         "DIALIN-2>"        goto dialin2
>         "DIALIN-3>"        goto dialin3
>         "term="                goto setterm
>         "aaaa"                goto a-a
>         .
>         .
>         nad so on...
>         }
>
> ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one
input
>
A similar question was asked recently.  Here's the answer:

In article <3jfr55$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
>processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined
below,
>or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?
>
You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's
script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version
190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable.
First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc):

forward \v(system)

:UNIX                           ; UNIX, all versions...
..
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

:VMS
..
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

etc.  In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make
a "case label" for each one.

To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command,
which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for,
rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file):

  MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK}
  IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds.
  FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_
  :PAGER_1                 ; here is the first CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE          ; this is like BREAK in C
  :PAGER_2                 ; second CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE
  ...
  :PAGER_55
     ; commands for this response

  :DONE

Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C.  You have to make sure that
you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label.  Not a big deal in this
example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT
will be.  In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking,
as in this example from ckermit.ini:

  IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) -
    FORWARD files

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Linux ?
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:13:34 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arnatt Klinsong)
writes:
> Curtiss Cicco ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <[e-mail]>
> : [e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:
> : >        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
> :      You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
> : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
> : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.
>
> or get a binary version of 189 at
> sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz
>
No, please get Kermit software from Columbia University.  Version 5A(189)
is not current.  5A(190) is.  For Linux:

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress, untar,
"make linux".

That's all there is to it.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:24:05 GMT
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In article <3kke33$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Andrew Wing) writes:
>
>I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC.
>
> Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to
> Foxpro for Windows on the PC.  The app on the PDP-11 is generating text
> files in an SDF format.  The intent is for the user to run a script to
> transfer seven of these files to their PC.  I have a similar setup for
> another app which works fine.
>
> systems:  Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21)
>           DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60
>
> symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer
> OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five
> packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error
> reported.  It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet
> size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in
> the status screen.  Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I
> end up with a blank file on the PC.
>
> I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the
> trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file.  This
imports
> into Foxpro as a blank record.  All the other text files will transfer in
> text mode OK.
>     I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and
> handshaking to no avail.  The .BWR and .INS files don't address this
> directly.  They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets
> which I already disabled.
>
> What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in
> text mode?  TIA!
>
I think you have probably done all you can.

I suspect that the problem is similar to the one in VMS Kermit-32, namely
that Kermit-11 is doing RMS record-oriented input, and its record buffer
is shorter than 795.  In binary mode, it probably uses a buffer that is
the maximum record size for RMS.

The author of Kermit-11 no longer maintains the program, so there's not
much we can do about it.  However, fixing this problem might be as simple
as changing the value of a symbol and rebuilding.

- Frank
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This is to announce a brief Beta testing period for OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191).

If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in
hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot
more information in it (hypertext links):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past
the following fifty lines (two 24-line screens).

OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication
software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over:

 . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds.
 . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP.
 . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections.
 . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes.
 . Asynchronous communication servers.

Offering:

 . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with
   all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control,
   printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc.
 . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including
   all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery
   capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download.
 . A powerful and portable script programming language.
 . A large repertoire of character-set translations.
 . Dialing and services directories.
 . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem).

And lots of OS/2-specific features, including:

 . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations.
 . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard.
 . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes.
 . Work Place Shell integration through program objects.
 . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions.
 . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers.
 . SLIPTERM compatibility.
 . Integration with IBM WebExplorer.
 . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2
   system to another, with all file attributes preserved.
 . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load.
 . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication.

With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit
is ideally suited to OS/2 users who:

 . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services.
 . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections,
   e.g. for home and office use.
 . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting).
 . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files.
 . Want to communicate in languages other than English.
 . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms.

Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of
OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web
site starting at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00
and later, including Warp.  It adds the following major new features:

 . Dramatic speed improvements
 . Sizeable terminal screens.
 . New and improved mouse functions.
 . Improved TELNET client functions.
 . Incoming TCP/IP connections.
 . SLIP dialing.
 . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation.
 . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation.

And many lesser ones.  In more detail:

SPEED IMPROVEMENTS

CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both
serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions.

C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating.
Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before.
To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark
that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display
timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet
network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session:

  C-Kermit 5A(190)    24 sec
  IBM Telnet          22 sec  (TCP/IP 1.2.1)
  MS-DOS Kermit       12 sec  (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2)
  C-Kermit 5A(191)     5 sec

In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55
seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement.

The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several
other astounding feats:

 . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens.
 . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back.
 . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below).

Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load
on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds
without seriously impacting the rest of the system.

SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS

You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too.

In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen
height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen
area of 8192 characters.

In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132
columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows.  Not all combinations are supported by
all video hardware.  Warp is not required.

Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation
is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video
adapter supports it.  Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the
host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the
"NAWS" option.

SOFT FONTS

C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any
pair of them.  But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right
characters on the screen.  For example, in version 5A(190) we added
support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you
happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in
Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars
in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page
onto a US version of OS/2.

The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that
you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window:

  CP437 - Original PC code page
  CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page
  CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc)
  CP862 - Hebrew code page
  CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page

So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can
use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following
languages:

  Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch,
  English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian,
  Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish,
  Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish,
  Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish.

Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for
furnishing these public-domain fonts.

CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION

OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups
and Web pages.  But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or
Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters?  The new
C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes:

 . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout.
 . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes.
 . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc).

This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available
in earlier releases:

 . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European
   languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc).

 . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish.

THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE

Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor
steering, were introduced in the previous release.  In version 5A(191):

 . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen,
   scrollback buffer included.
 . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events.
 . You can assign them to keys.
 . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events.
 . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps.

To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing
the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in
the rollback buffer:

 . Hold down the left mouse button.
 . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected.
 . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens.
 . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging.

Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard,
printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your
terminal session.

TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS

TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before.  Several TELNET
protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to
"firewalls".  Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when
provided by the name server, until success is achieved.  TELNET NAWS
(Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added.

Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2
C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute
Kermit server functions.

OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using
a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver.
This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM.

OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial
communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol
implementation.  If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services,
especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this
means.  If you want it spelled out in more detail, see the APPENDIX at
the end of this announcement :-)

OTHER CHANGES

 ...include:

 . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages.
 . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY.
 . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information",
   "Warning", and "Error" events.
 . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added.
 . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation.
 . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc.

DOCUMENTATION

OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) is comprehensively and professionally documented in
the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF
file, which covers recent additions.  Ordering information for the book is
included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit>
prompt with the UPDATES command.

WHERE TO GET IT

OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta may be obtained (and should ONLY be obtained)
From kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/test/os2test,
file cko191.zip.  Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way),
unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL
script.  For safety, don't install the Beta version over your previous
OS/2 C-Kermit version -- read the directions on your screen carefully.
After installation, you should copy your CKERMOD.INI, CKERMIT.KDD, and
CKERMIT.KSD files from your regular CKERMIT directory to the new one.

The cko191.zip file should not be copied to other FTP sites.  It is likely
to change frequently during the Beta testing period, and we don't want
outdated copies circulating.  Check the ZIP file every so often to see if
it has been updated, or consult the Web entry at URL:

  http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

Please report bugs (in the software or the documentation) by email to:

  [e-mail]

NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit.

Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release.

APPENDIX: TELNET AND SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE

There is a widespread misconception among PC users that a "virtual modem"
or TELNET redirector such as COMTCP, VMODEM, COMt (for Windows), or
TNGLASS (for DOS) plus your favorite serial communications package creates
the perfect TELNET client.

Your serial communication package MIGHT enable you to connect to your host
this way, but if it works right throughout your session, it's pure luck.
Numerous items -- echoing, screen size, terminal type, and other
parameters -- need to be negotiated and sometimes changed dynamically
throughout the session, depending on the service and the server.

A serial communications program is not designed to handle this type of
work.  So the virtual modem software must handle the TELNET protocol
parameter negotiations on behalf of the communication software.  So far,
so good.  The problem is that when things change, the virtual modem
software has no way of telling the communications software, and similarly,
when the user changes things in the communications software, the virtual
modem doesn't find out about it and can't tell the TELNET server.

To complicate matters further, the TELNET Network Virtual Terminal (NVT)
definition does not work like the ASCII terminal that your serial
communications software is emulating.  Certain characters must be handled
specially, including carriage return, linefeed, and the "all-ones"
character, hex FF.  Furthermore, special items like the BREAK signal must
be handled by special TELNET protocol messages.

So when using serial communications software to accomplish a TELNET
connection over a virtual modem, it is very likely to have all sorts of
problems, including:

 . Terminal-type and/or screen-size mismatch.

 . Faulty echoing: characters can fail to echo when you type them, or
   might echo twice.  "Password silencing" might not work.

 . You might get overprinting or a "stairstep" effect as the host sends
   lines to your terminal screen.

 . Carriage return (Enter) might have no effect at all when you type it.

 . The session might suddenly hang because a special character has not
   been properly escaped during terminal emulation or file transfer.

 . BREAK, required by some hosts and applications, can't be sent.

 . When things go wrong, you have no effective debugging tools at your
   disposal, and even when you can diagnose the problems you often have no
   way to fix them.

THE MORAL:  If you want a fully-functional and dependable TELNET session,
use a real TELNET client.  If you want to use the same software for both
serial and TELNET connections, try C-Kermit.

(End)

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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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I'm not asking if Ckermit can do it (I can't figure out something it
can't do), but how do I tell Ckermit to do it? Has someone tried this?
Would it be best do do some script inside Ckermit or should I try to make
a small rexx-program to dig out the information in the logfiles?

If you already know how to do it, post the script!

//thanks!
Markus


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From: [e-mail]
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Andrew Wing <[e-mail]> writes:

> symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK
> *except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five packets
> go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported.  It
> appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it
> never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen.
> Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank
> file on the PC.

Log files would be helpful here.  For K11, you'd -

  Kermit-11> LOGFILE test.log
  Kermit-11> SET DEBUG PACKET
  ..do the transfer, let it die..
  Kermit-11> SET DEUG OFF

One problem I'm aware of involves an out-of-range length byte
from K11 - you may have to SET DEBUG RAW to be able to see this.
Although, altering the packet length should have 'fixed' that..

Billy Y..

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From [e-mail] Wed Mar 22 12:25:41 1995
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:25:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Chui Fung Tsang <[e-mail]>
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To: Chui Fung Tsang <[e-mail]>
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Hi, I would like to thank those who responded to
my survey.

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of the news groups which may not seem appropriate.
The reason I did that was because I would like to
get answers from people of diverse backgrounds and
interests.

If I did inappropriately posted the survey in certain
newsgroups, I would like to apologize.

Thank you also for the people who give me some real
good advices too.

I'll post the result of the survey in 2 weeks.

Thank you all.


Olivia





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Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the MS-Kermit v3.01 for
IBM-PC source?

Luke


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From: [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe)
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Subject: os2 version - works over ethernet ?
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I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and
or announcements.  Can I use the new os2 kermit
version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit
file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of
a serial port?

I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets
but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp
lines.

thanks for any info,
tom mccabe
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: os2 version - works over ethernet ?
Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:01:34 GMT
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In article <3ksuje$[e-mail]>,
Tom F McCabe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and
>or announcements.  Can I use the new os2 kermit
>version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit
>file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of
>a serial port?
>
Yes.  It works over TCP/IP -- IBM, FTP Software,
and various other varieties -- independent of the
underlying communication medium.

>I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets
>but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp
>lines.
>
It is not restricted in any way, except that you must
already have a TCP/IP product installed that supports
the connection method you want to use.

- Frank

x
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From: [e-mail] (John Normann Hansen)
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I'm trying to get Kermit to work under WfW on a token ring network.

I'm using the nine steps to heaven, following the setup.doc from kermit 314.

All it does i hang the computer when trying to load the dis_pkt9.dos. So I tried it on
a ethernet network an it works great.

The adapter is a IBM tokenring and I'm using the ibmtok.dos ndis driver.

Any help will be appreciated.

PS Does anyone know of any BAPI driver that runs with the TCP32 form Microsoft.

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From: Scott Weikart <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3
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A programmer friend tells me that you can programmatically specify a DTE rate
of 14,400 bps for a COM port under Windows 3.1.  And one of our users just set
14,000 as the DTE rate in a .ini file that we use to configure Trumpet
Winsock, and found that he got fewer framing errors compared to 19,200 (16450
UART).

I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps;
and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions
it as a DTE rate that might be supported).  Will some or all modems support a
DTE rate of 14,400 bps?  If not, what does Windows actually do with a request
for a COM port rate of 14,400 bps?  And does this requesed rate provide faster
throughput than 9,600 bps but fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so,
how)?

-scott

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3
Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:19:53 GMT
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In article <APC&1'0'8a49eaa4'[e-mail]>,
Scott Weikart  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps;
>
UARTs support any baud rate you can dream up.

>and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions
>it as a DTE rate that might be supported).
>
14400 bps was never needed until V.32bis appeared.  Then it was added to
MS-DOS Kermit.  Just type "set speed ?" to see a list of supported speeds.

>Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps?
>
Any modem V.32bis or higher should support it.

>And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but
>fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)?
>
This depends entirely on your UART chip and your PC configuration and
software.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (MARK LAFONTAINE)
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Subject: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs.
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Greetings Kermit Gurus,

    I work at a bilingual university that supports both french and english
computing. We need to transfer files to and from our VAXes through C-Kermit that
contain accented french characters. Below is the routine we have to go through
in order to transfer a file from the PC to the VAX using AUTORECEIVE from the
C-Kermit prompt. The file is transferred successfully with french characters
intact. If we try to AUTOSEND the same file from VAX to PC the french
characters do not transfer properly. Are there any SET parameters that have to
be changed in order to do the AUTOSEND of french characters?

    We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit
version 3.13 for IBM.

Our routine was:

    - log into the VAX

    - Type CKERMIT from $ prompt
      At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic
                                Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO

      <ALT>-X (to get to MS-Kermit)

    - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic
                              Set file character CP865
                              C (to reconnect to C-Kermit)

    - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE   filename


    This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to
the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC.

    Thanks for any help in this matter.


Mark Lafontaine
Laurentian University Computer Services
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Reister)
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Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01
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Luke,
I sent a note to watsun.cc.columbia.edu,asking for information on getting
Kermit software.He gave me information on how to order "Using MS-DOS
KERMIT",for $36.95,and a copy of MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 came with it.Try a note to
Watson.

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From: [e-mail] (Cheryl L. Southard)
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Subject: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
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Hi All,

Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1,
and my terminal server.  When using this setup on the remote "server" side,
kermit only works around 70% of the time.  The other 30%, we get massive
amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through.
This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that
dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS.

THIS doesn't work 30%
(PC or MAC)  <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1)

I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes.  We can use
the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun SPARCstations.
We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the terminal servers,
then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, and then kermit
will work.

THIS ALWAYS works
(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)

Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a
WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem.

Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this
fixes the problem. i.e.
(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)

I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried
compiling it myself.

Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try?

I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064.  I verified
that         PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF,
and that     MAXBUF > 2064,
and that     VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000
and that    BIOLM > 20
and that     BYTLM > 8192

info:
    C-Kermit 5A (190)
    OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600
    Equinox ELG48 terminal server

Thanks,

Cheryl Southard
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (John Meyer)
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Subject: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75
Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:17:17 GMT
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Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried
version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer
version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to
an ftp site.

Thanks a lot in advance.

-M


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Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing
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Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
return feedback to [e-mail].

C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from

    kermit.columbia.edu  /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip

Or from the Web at

    http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }.
This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue
to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received.

As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has
appeared to be a bit outdated.  What was once a nice way of preventing the
screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something
from the past has itself become a serious nuisance.

Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by
SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }.

In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host
while viewing the scrollback buffer.  The only question is where do you
want new data from the host to be placed.  In INSERT mode, the data will be
placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback
buffer at all.

In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the
scrollback buffer.  Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do.

In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps
to ROLL-MODE INSERT.

The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2
Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:20:40 GMT
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I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse
text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be
missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks

David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
       finger [e-mail] for information


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I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
are the bytes/characters they send over the line?

Or is this a State Secret?

--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet [e-mail]
                    - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>
> Or is this a State Secret?
-----------
    Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2
Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:56:36 GMT
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In article <3l0978$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse
>text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be
>missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks
>
>David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
>       finger [e-mail] for information
>


The first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to have mouse support was 5a(190).
This version required the user to SET TERMINAL MOUSE ON.

5a(191) has much more extensive support for the mouse than 5a(190).  In
addition to the ability to perform cursor  positioning and copy and
paste to the clipboard from within C-Kermit, 191 now allows you to
assign arbitary macros, Kverbs, and mouse specific actions to specific
combinations of SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT and CLICK, DOUBLE-CLICK and DRAG
events.

Mouse support is enabled by default in 5a(191).

for information on how to use Mouse support please read the CKERMIt.INF
file.  "Using the MOuse".

You can also type UPDATES MOUSE at the C-Kermit prompt.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schrock)
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In article <3l0ctq$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
>Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
>been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
>is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
>return feedback to [e-mail].

A definite thanks from here.  The new behaviour is significantly more
intuitive.  Seems to be working great here.

Gary Schrock
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command;
but how is it used?  Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type
one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then
return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?)  The 'ik0aux.cmd'
sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit,
but how?

The 'APC' command seems to talk to the remote MS-Kermit, but there
is no VM-specific info on practical usage (it's not in the HELPCMS
file.)



--
Randy Anderson
[e-mail]         "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries.
Loral Federal Systems       We only have small, large, and super-size."
Manassas, VA                                       - McDonald's employee

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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Hi Kermit Gurus
I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better
use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I
modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below.

SCSSYSTEMID=0        ! System ID for the CI
SCSNODE=""        ! System node name for CI
VAXCLUSTER=0
MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
MIN_MAXBUF= 12000             ! For  C-Kermit

After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems
and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile:

PAGEFILE.SYS;2        40000/40000   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
PAGEFILE.SYS;1        50000/50000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
SWAPFILE.SYS;2        28500/28500   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
SWAPFILE.SYS;1        36000/36000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL

My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually
crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ?

Any hints will be appreciated.       Tom


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>
>
> Hi Kermit Gurus
> I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better
> use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I
> modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below.
>
> SCSSYSTEMID=0        ! System ID for the CI
> SCSNODE=""        ! System node name for CI
> VAXCLUSTER=0
> MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
> MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
> MIN_MAXBUF= 12000             ! For  C-Kermit
>
> After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems
> and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile:
>
> PAGEFILE.SYS;2        40000/40000   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
> PAGEFILE.SYS;1        50000/50000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
> SWAPFILE.SYS;2        28500/28500   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
> SWAPFILE.SYS;1        36000/36000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
>
> My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually
> crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ?
>
> Any hints will be appreciated.       Tom
----------
    Page and swap file sizes are from autogen, the sensing of system
usage over time. It's the item you answer YES to when @sys$system:shutdown-ing
the machine. Seven years is a long time between system tuning activites.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Green)
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Subject: PCMag Comm Article
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Folks:

On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that

several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical

limit for a compressed file:  SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp
file

in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably

w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_

sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!!



What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!

Is this data valid?????



Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current
MS-Kermit?



PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows:

CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW



Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying

to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our

users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds.



Comments?????



Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

Sorry for the double space -- I still can't deal with this mailer

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In article <3l4q3p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
>
> On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that
> several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical
> limit for a compressed file:  SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp
> file
> in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably
> w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_
> sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!!
> What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!
>> Is this data valid?????
> Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current
> MS-Kermit?
> PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows:
> CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW
> Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying
> to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our
> users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds.
------------
    While I don't have the article the numbers do strongly suggest
playing with file compression, and only secondarily with protocols. Any
time you see "exceeded theoretical limits" you can be sure the wrong theory
is being applied, and that deductions cannot follow. Until you get the story
straightened out I suggest you let matters rest.
    Joe D.

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Subject: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems
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I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently
get connected at 28800 bps.  Both dialout and dialin were from
the same Linux notebook :-)  Call out on com2 and receive the call
on com1.

This is unscientific, but if logged in at the shell prompt things
looked nice -- i.e. the line didn't appear bursty.

I then started using kermit to transfer files.  The symptoms I saw
were like this.  For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously
work (and kermit would show ....).  Then there would be a LOOOONG
pause while nothing was going on.  Then again a burst of furious activity.
And so on.

The pauses served to clobber the effective transfer rates.  I did 25
tests. One session where the TX light appeared to never stop chugging
had me get binary compressed file transfer at 1991 cps (which is still
far below 2880 cps).  Other sessions did much worse.

Is there something about kermit that one can use to improve this?  My
kermrc is enclosed at EOF.  This was using 2k packets, the performance
with 1k packets was much worse.  Another kermitism I'm not able to solve
relates to packet size: when I say 2048 byte packets, he uses 1806 byte
packets.  He refuses to (say) use 4k byte packets.

Thanks,

        -ans.

set parity none
set file collision overwrite
set attributes off

set speed 38400
set flow-control rts/cts

set file type binary
set file names literal
set file display fullscreen

set window-size 5
set receive packet-length 2048
set send packet-length 2048
set block 3
set buffers 150000 150000
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From: [e-mail] (Ajay Shah)
Subject: Help me mix expect and kermit?
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I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are
behaving strangely.

Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect?  As
long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly.
The moment I say connect things get hairy.

If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front,
I would love to hear from you.  I'm running expect on a Austin
486 notebook running linux.

Thanks,

        -ans.
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From [e-mail] Mon Mar 27 14:06:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs.
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In article <[e-mail]>,
MARK LAFONTAINE <[e-mail]> wrote
>We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit
>version 3.13 for IBM.
>
>    - Type CKERMIT from [VAX] $ prompt
>      At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic
>                                Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO
>      <ALT>-X (to get to MS-Kermit)
>    - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic
>                              Set file character CP865
>                              C (to reconnect to C-Kermit)
>    - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE   filename
>
>This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to
>the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC.
>
Of course it is not working.  The Cyrillic character sets do not contain
Roman letters with accents.  Cyrillic is used for Russian, Ukrainian,
Belorussian, etc.

Also, I sincerely doubt that you would be using *any* code page on the
VAX.

I think that what you really want to do, as is explained thoroughly in
both "Using C-Kermit" and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its French edition,
"Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi"), is:

VAX:
  set transfer char latin1
  set file char latin1 ; or dec-multinational

PC:
  set transfer char latin1
  set file char cp850 ; or cp863

CP850 is the IBM "Multilingual" code page.  CP863 is the Canadian French
code page.

- Frank

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Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in
a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and
it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I
tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings.

Robert Rodriguez


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:13:58 GMT
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In article <3kvl2i$[e-mail]>,
Cheryl L. Southard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1,
>and my terminal server.  When using this setup on the remote "server" side,
>kermit only works around 70% of the time.  The other 30%, we get massive
>amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through.
>This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that
>dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS.
>
>THIS doesn't work 30%
>(PC or MAC)  <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes.  We can use
>the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun
>SPARCstations.  We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the
>terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1,
>and then kermit will work.
>
>THIS ALWAYS works
>(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a
>WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem.
>
>Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this
>fixes the problem. i.e.
>(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried
>compiling it myself.
>
>Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try?
>
>I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064.  I verified
>that         PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF,
>and that     MAXBUF > 2064,
>and that     VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000
>and that    BIOLM > 20
>and that     BYTLM > 8192
>
>info:
>    C-Kermit 5A (190)
>    OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600
>    Equinox ELG48 terminal server
>

An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases.  I know this is not
very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection
between the terminal server and VMS.  Presumably this is a TCP/IP
connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT.  My guess
would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind
of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to
dig into the terminal server's configuration.

There are a couple other possibilities, though.

First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command.  If it is set at NONE,
try XON/XOFF.  Or vice versa.  The workings of this command in VMS over
various connection types is somewhat mysterious.

Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed.  For
example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says
the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file
transfer.

- Frank
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From [e-mail] Mon Mar 27 14:17:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:17:45 GMT
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In article <3l090t$[e-mail]>,
John Meyer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried
>version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer
>version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to
>an ftp site.
>
The only Kermit program that we recommend and support for Windows is
MS-DOS Kermit.  Current version 3.14.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Dick Wisan) writes:
>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
>> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
>> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>>
>> Or is this a State Secret?
> -----------
>     Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
>     Joe D.

No.  The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and
what keys they're bound to.  They don't show what bytes the keys actually
send.

I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.

I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence
of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed.  Is that assumption,
perhaps, wrong?

--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:29:15 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dick Wisan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
>sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
>key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
>know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
>produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.
>
Some \Kverbs, such as the \Kdec... ones, send the escape sequences that are
THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED in the manual.  Others, such as \Kupscrn and \Kdnscn
perform actions that are (thoroughly documented in the manual and are) local
to MS-DOS Kermit -- in other words, they don't send any characers.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:44:51 GMT
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In article <3l4q3p$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:

>On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several
>comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a
>compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that
>is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in
>3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered
>at 3246cps!!!  What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!
>
It can't?

>Is this data valid?????
>
I don't have the PC Magazine issue handy, but you say it's a "500k .bmp"
file.  That must be a "Bitmap" file -- i.e. uncompressed screen rasters,
so naturally they get compressed by the modems' built-in data compression
feature -- V.42bis or whatever -- resulting in the high transfer rates.

Kermit would do just as well or better.  What's more, if you used Kermit
to transfer the SAME file through a pair of modems that did NOT do data
compression, Kermit would still get about the same data rate, whereas the
other would probably drop down to about 1600 cps.

>Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit?
>
No.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:47:18 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ajay Shah <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently
>get connected at 28800 bps.  Both dialout and dialin were from
>the same Linux notebook :-)  Call out on com2 and receive the call
>on com1.
>...
>I then started using kermit to transfer files.  The symptoms I saw
>were like this.  For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously
>work (and kermit would show ....).  Then there would be a LOOOONG
>pause while nothing was going on.  Then again a burst of furious activity.
>And so on.
>
Why don't you try the same experiment between two different PCs?

That would rule out such things as interrupt conflicts, driver and
scheduler peculiarities, and so on.

- Frank
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Subject: Re: MSKermit under Warp
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In article <3ksefm$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in
>a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and
>it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I
>tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings.
>
>Robert Rodriguez
>
We would need more information to be able to help you.

What are you attempting to do.
At what point does it hang?

I have been using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 successfully under WARP for several months.
Without any problems other than those one woudl
expect from trying to run a timing sensitive DOS application
in a multi-tasking operating system.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
> writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Dick Wisan) writes:
>>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
>>> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
>>> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
>>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>>>
>>> Or is this a State Secret?
>> -----------
>>     Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
>> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
>>     Joe D.
>
> No.  The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and
> what keys they're bound to.  They don't show what bytes the keys actually
> send.
>
> I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
> sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
> key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
> know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
> produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.
>
> I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence
> of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed.  Is that assumption,
> perhaps, wrong?
---------------
    Ok, I'll spell it out for you. From my working copy of file msvibm.vt:

            (begin cutout)

Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit
environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively.
Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from
the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit
mode.  CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143.  Similarly, DCS is decimal 144
or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \.  APC is decimal 159 or ESC _.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys
Key        Verb    IBM    VT320/VT102 mode    VT52/H19 mode
            key    Cursor    Application    Cursor or Application

up        uparr    up    CSI A    SS3 A        ESC A
down        dnarr    down    CSI B    SS3 B        ESC B
right        rtarr    right    CSI C    SS3 C        ESC C
left        lfarr    left    CSI D    SS3 D        ESC D

Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys.
Key        Verb        VT320 mode        VT102/VT52/H19 mode

Find        decFind        CSI 1 ~            these keys
Insert Here    decInsert    CSI 2 ~             send nothing
Remove        decRemove    CSI 3 ~
Select        decSelect    CSI 4 ~
Prev Screen    decPrev        CSI 5 ~
Next Screen    decNext        CSI 6 ~            ~ is ASCII chart 7/14

Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad
Key        Verb    IBM    ANSI VT320/VT102 mode    VT52/H19 mode
            key    Numeric    Application    Numeric    Application

PF1/HF7/Blue   Gold,pf1 F1    SS3 P    SS3 P        ESC P    ESC P
PF2/HF8/Red     pf2    F2    SS3 Q    SS3 Q        ESC Q    ESC Q
PF3/HF9/Grey    pf3    F3    SS3 R    SS3 R        ESC R    ESC R
PF4/HF1         pf4    F4    SS3 S    SS3 S        ESC S    ESC S
0        kp0    SF7    0    SS3 p        0    ESC ? p
1        kp1    SF3    1    SS3 q        1    ESC ? q
2        kp2    SF4    2    SS3 r        2    ESC ? r
3        kp3    SF5    3    SS3 s        3    ESC ? s
4        kp4    F9    4    SS3 t        4    ESC ? t
5        kp5    F10    5    SS3 u        5    ESC ? u
6        kp6    SF1    6    SS3 v        6    ESC ? v
7        kp7    F5    7    SS3 w        7    ESC ? w
8        kp8    F6    8    SS3 x        8    ESC ? x
9        kp9    F7    9    SS3 y        9    ESC ? y
comma (,)    kpcoma    SF2    ,    SS3 l        ,    ESC ? l
minus (-)    kpminus    F8    -    SS3 m        -    ESC ? m
period (.)    kpdot    SF8    .    SS3 n        .    ESC ? n
Enter        kpenter    SF6    CR or    SS3 M        CR or    ESC ? M
                CR LF    (newline on)    CR LF
 (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.)

Codes sent by DEC LK201 keyboard function keys, not preassigned to PC keys
Key name    Verb        VT320 mode        VT102/VT52/H19 mode

Hold Screen            nothing            nothing
Print Screen            nothing            nothing
Set-Up                nothing            nothing
F4                nothing            nothing
F5 (Break)            nothing            nothing
F6        decF6        CSI 17 ~        nothing
F7        decF7        CSI 18 ~        nothing
F8        decF8        CSI 19 ~        nothing
F9        decF9        CSI 20 ~        nothing
F10        decF10        CSI 21 ~        nothing
F11 (ESC)    decF11        CSI 23 ~        ESC
F12 (BS)    decF12        CSI 24 ~        BS
F13 (LF)    decF13        CSI 25 ~        LF
F14        decF14        CSI 26 ~        nothing
Help        decHelp        CSI 28 ~        nothing
Do        decDo        CSI 29 ~        nothing
F17        decF17        CSI 31 ~        nothing
F18        decF18        CSI 32 ~        nothing
F19        decF19        CSI 33 ~        nothing
F20        decF20        CSI 34 ~        nothing

Note: F6 - F20 are DEC "User Definable Keys" which means their output can be
redefined by the host (not by the terminal owner).  See below for method.

An often confusing item is knowing the mode of the auxillary keypad: numeric
or application.  Digital Equipment Corporation designed the terminal to change
modes only under command from the remote computer and not at all from the
keyboard.  So the startup state is numeric/cursor mode, and reception of
escape sequences "ESC [ ? 1 h" or "l" changes the mode.  Kermit verbs for the
keypad and cursor keys generate the correct escape sequences appropriate to
the current mode and terminal type.

A best attempt is made to safely test for the 101/102 key Enhanced keyboard
and use it if present.  If it is present then the keyboard translator
separates the individual arrow keys from those on the numeric keypad and also
separates the asterisk and forward slash keys on the keypad from those on the
regular typewriter keyboard.  These special Enhanced keyboard keys are
reported as scan codes with 4096 added to the base scan code.

 OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE:

 IBM key         IBM Verb      Action

 Keypad Del                    Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127
 Backspace (<-)                Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127  (BS is \8)
 Keypad -        MODELINE      Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is
                               enabled and not used by the host).
 Alt -           TERMTYPE      Toggle between text and Tek terminal types.
 Alt =           RESET         Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to
                               starting (setup) state.
 Alt b           BREAK         Send a BREAK signal
 Alt h           HELP          Show drop down help menu (detailed below)
 Alt s           STATUS        Show settings
 Alt x           EXIT          Exit Connect mode, back to Kermit prompt

 Home            HOMSCN        Roll screen up (text down) to beginning of
                                storage.
 End             ENDSCN        Roll screen down (text up) to end of storage.
 PgUp            UPSCN         Roll screen up (back, earlier) one screen.
 PgDn            DNSCN         Roll screen down (forward, later) one screen.
 Ctrl-PgUp       UPONE         Roll screen up one line.
 Ctrl-PdDn       DNONE         Roll screen down one line.

 Control-PrtSc   PRTSCN        Toggle  on/off copying of received text to
                               printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode
                               line when activated.

 Control-End     DUMP          Dump image of screen to a disk file or device.
                               Default filename is KERMIT.SCN in the current
                               directory. Use command SET DUMP to change the
                               filename.  Screen images are appended to the
                               file, separated by formfeeds. Graphics screens
                   go to files TEKPLT<digit digit>.TIF.

 Shift-PrtSc     Standard DOS Print-screen, dump screen image to printer.

 unassigned      HOLDSCRN      DEC style Holdscreen, same as typing Control-S.

 ALT-n         NEXTSESSION   Change to next terminal session, only if using
                    Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack.

 ALT-z       NETHOLD       Place Network connections "on hold". This means
                    interrupt the normal PC to host connection and
                   invoke the external network control program
                   interface for session management. Works with
                   3Com(BAPI), Novell(NASI), UB-Net1, etc but not
                   with Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack.

 unassigned     RTONE        scroll screen right one column
 unassigned     RTPAGE        scroll screen right by 20 columns
 unassigned     LFONE        scroll screen left by one column
 unassigned     LFPAGE        scroll screen left by 20 columns

"Alt -" means hold down Alt and type minus on the upper key rank.  This
switches among the various kinds of emulation but does not change most
operating parameters of the emulator. Follow a new selection with ALT = (verb
RESET) to reset the emulator to the current type.

            (end of cutout)

    Here we see that not all keys create traffic to the remote host.
Upscn etc are local video manipulators only; the host hears nothing about
them. The DEC DO key is precisely defined above, and it isn't even close
to ESC O S.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Heinz Sack)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit
Date: 27 Mar 1995 12:56:23 GMT
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In article <3kidvd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where
can
>I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U
only
>holds the assembly version. Thanks
>
>--
>-------------------------------
>- Ivan Siew
>[e-mail]
>http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/

I am also very interested in the source code for a terminal emulation (VT
100 or better). I need it for special purposes to comunicate between VAX
and PC programms. If you get any Information, please contact me.

Thank's for all - Heinz Sack


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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Krug)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: help : server script
Date: 27 Mar 1995 15:42:17 GMT
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Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.

I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
my local session, and then...

I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.

At first I was looking for input, but then removed that,
and simply did a "pause 20" after my command to escape
back to the local kermit session.

Everything works fine up to this, but then I'm just left
there, in local kermit with a remote server session.

Any help?  Suggestions?  Tips?  (I can't find anything
to solve this in "Using C-Kermit.)

Thanks a lot,

Ben Krug
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help : server script
Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:18:32 GMT
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In article <3l6mcp$[e-mail]>, Benjamin Krug <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.
>
>I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
>(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
>invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
>my local session, and then...
>
>I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
>doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.
>
The command would be "get readme.txt", not "output get readme.txt".

Your OUTPUT command makes it send the string "get readme.txt" to
the Kermit server, but:

 . The Kermit server is no longer in command mode.
 . Even if it were, you have omitted the trailing carriage return.
 . The GET command is given to the client, not to the server.

So nothing happens.

In general, a script program just contains the commands you would
type interactively, except it never CONNECTs or "escapes back".

Instead, everything that you would type during CONNECT mode is sent
to the remote host or service with OUTPUT commands.  Carriage
returns and other control characters must be included explicitly, as
in "output help\13".  And everything you read with your eyes is read
by Kermit using INPUT commands.  And every time you have to pause in
real life, you put in a PAUSE command.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:23:26 GMT
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In article <3kn9k7$[e-mail]>,
Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command;
>but how is it used?

Perhaps paradoxically, the primary documentation for the APC subcommand
lies at the other end -- all the mainframe Kermit does is pass the
command string along for execution to the other Kermit, so the syntax
checking is done remotely.

>  Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type
>one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then
>return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?)  The 'ik0aux.cmd'
>sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit,
>but how?

The EXEC's in that file are ordinary CMS EXEC's.  No more, no less.
They are executed from within Kermit the same as any other CMS command.
See the CMS Kermit user's guide (it's free!), particularly the sections
on EXEC operation and the SET SYSCMD subcommand.

                    John

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Hi Folks,

I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct
serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and
speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost
immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then
'(back at localhostname)'

I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more
information on why I can't connect. Is there a verbose mode? Perm-
missions on /dev/tty1a are wide open. I can connect as a remote
terminal from DOS using Procomm Plus so I know the line is o.k.

Help!

Thanks very much,

Richard



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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ajay Shah <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are
>behaving strangely.
>
>Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect?  As
>long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly.
>The moment I say connect things get hairy.
>
>If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front,
>I would love to hear from you.  I'm running expect on a Austin
>486 notebook running linux.

What do you need to do that you can't automate with kermit's own
scripting?  I've been so perverse as to use kermit with a loopback
telnet connection to automate things on the local host that need
a pty instead of using expect.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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In article <3l6mcp$[e-mail]>, Benjamin Krug <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.
>
>I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
>(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
>invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
>my local session, and then...
>
>I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
>doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.

You don't say "output get ..." when the other end is in server mode
you just say "get ..." to your end and it automatically tells the
server what you want.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: SCO Unix kermit problems
Date: 29 Mar 1995 16:21:30 GMT
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In article <3l737u$[e-mail]>,
Richard Aleksandr  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct
>serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and
>speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost
>immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then
>'(back at localhostname)'
>
>I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more
>information on why I can't connect.
>
Try "show communications" or "show modem".  It will probably tell
you that the Carrier-Detect (CD) signal is off.  The underlying
device driver normally wants it to be on in order to communicate.

Solution: tell C-Kermit to "set carrier off", meaning: don't require
carrier.  If that doesn't do it, see Chapter 3 of "Using C-Kermit",
especially the section on direct serial connections.  If that still
doesn't do it, get back to me with more details.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail]   (Takahiro Hiroi)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing
Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:22:11 GMT
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In <3l0ctq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
>been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
>is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
>return feedback to [e-mail].
>
>C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from
>
>    kermit.columbia.edu  /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip
>
>Or from the Web at
>
>    http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }.
>This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue
>to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received.
>
>As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has
>appeared to be a bit outdated.  What was once a nice way of preventing the
>screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something
>from the past has itself become a serious nuisance.
>
>Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by
>SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }.
>
>In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host
>while viewing the scrollback buffer.  The only question is where do you
>want new data from the host to be placed.  In INSERT mode, the data will be
>placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback
>buffer at all.
>
>In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the
>scrollback buffer.  Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do.
>
>In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps
>to ROLL-MODE INSERT.
>
>The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF.
>
>Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
>"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
>"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
>  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular emulation
has a bug.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3laco3$[e-mail]>,
Takahiro Hiroi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular
>emulation has a bug.
>
If you have found a bug in Beta Test software, why don't you report
it directly to the developers.  That is what beta tests are for.

Use e-mail, not netnews, which gets send to millions of computers all
over the world, at considerable cost.  The address for reporting bugs
is:

  [e-mail]

Please be specific.  Exactly what does not work?  And did you consult
the documentation first?

- Frank

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         [Much deleted about features of new OS/2 Kermit beta from
          kermit.columbai.edu]

In <3laco3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Takahiro Hiroi) writes:
>I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular emulation
>has a bug.

First off, send mail directly to [e-mail].  His
news feed suffers from the time lag from hell.

Second, saying WHAT VT220 emulation error while talking to what platform
would be useful.  There is no way to fix the problem, or even determine
it exists, from the above description.


Drew Derbyshire
Internet:       [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Mar 29 23:38:41 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cheryl L. Southard)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
Date: 29 Mar 1995 23:38:41 GMT
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In article <3l6h76$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases.  I know this is not
>very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection
>between the terminal server and VMS.  Presumably this is a TCP/IP
>connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT.  My guess
>would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind
>of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to
>dig into the terminal server's configuration.
>
>There are a couple other possibilities, though.
>
>First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command.  If it is set at NONE,
>try XON/XOFF.  Or vice versa.  The workings of this command in VMS over
>various connection types is somewhat mysterious.
>
>Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed.  For
>example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says
>the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file
>transfer.
>
>- Frank

Well, neither the "set flow" command or the "sho terminal" stuff fixed the
problem.  The problem was solved, however, by upgrading my terminal server
software.

Here's the details on the terminal server:
Equinox PBX with ELG 48 card
The software on the ELG 48 card WAS at V2.30.
Upgrading the ELG 48 card to V2.33 fixes the problem.

Thanks for the help,

Cheryl


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Subject: Clobbering the Last Line
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Hi Kermit wizards,

    I am a new user to kermit and have three questions:

1.  How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered
whenever I use the UNIX "more" command?

2.  How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression
ability the box says it has?
   I have a 2400 baud modem;  I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more,
but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK"
after the AT command.

3.  How can I improve my file transmission rate?
    As I transfer binary gzipped files:
    -   When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 800 (on my PC) the transmission
works kinda OK
       (but only 71% efficiency -- Is this normal?)
    -   When I SET RECE PACKET 2000 the packet size fluctuates as
as the file is transmitted, and efficiency drops to 30%
    - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 3000 or above, the transmission does
not work, it quits after "Too many retries."

Background:  MS-Kermit 3.14, Zoom faxmodem 2400
             C-Kermit 5a(188) Dec OSF/1 1.0

Thank you very much for help.

Ken Takusagawa
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (William and Alice Englander)
Subject: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary
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Hello -

Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)?

C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the
newer features.  I understand that the source is available, but
I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it.
Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not
the ANSI one.

We'd be happy to pay for it if there's a charge.  Thanks for your
help!

Bill
--

    William and Alice Englander
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