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HP3000.BWR HP-3000 Kermit "Beware" File October 1991
HP-3000 Kermit documentation reflects version 1.0 (circa 1985), but the
program has been updated several times since then. See the file HP3000.ANN
(the program release announcements) for a list of new features. Anyone who
would like to update the documentation, please feel free! The following
comments apply to version 1.1 of the program, and may or may not be valid for
the current version.
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Date: Mon 25 Mar 85 12:08:26-PST
From: Ted Shapin <BEC.SHAPIN@USC-ECL.ARPA>
Subject: KERMIT parity problems
To: info-kermit-request@CU20B.ARPA
Postal-address: Beckman Instruments, Inc.
Postal-address: 2500 Harbor X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634
Phone: (714)961-3393
Frank,
I found the problem. Your suggestion to set KERMIT-20 to log debugging
to a file in 8-bit mode was the key. I found out that both CP-6 and
HP3000 Kermits were sending even parity so the ^A was sent as 201 octal
and not recognized on the PC end.
At the end is a note for others on HP3000 Kermit. Honeywell CP-6 is still being
modified by its author, Lee Hallin at Los Angeles HW office (altho he is
doing it on his own time and I believe will make it available to Columbia
when done).
Also, it's interesting to note that when I go from the PC THRU KERMIT-20
to the HP3000 or Honeywell, KERMIT-20 strips off the high order bit in
terminal emulation mode so everything works. This had me puzzled for a
while!
Ted.
= = =
I had trouble communicating with HP3000 Kermit from MSKERMIT
until I found the following:
Set parity even on the micro. When you first connect to the
HP3000, it expects input from a terminal that uses the ACK/ENQ
protocol. Log on to the HP system by typing CR and control-F
until you see a : which is the HP3000 prompt. Then logon to
the HP specifying your terminal type, e.g. HELLO ABC.DEF;TERM=9
control-F. You will then be able to terminate your lines with
just the CR.
Ted Shapin
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Reportedly, HP-3000 Kermit does not set its packet number back to zero
between sessions. This means that you have to restart the program each
time you want to use it. (18 Mar 87)
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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 90 12:23:31 EDT
From: Jeffrey R Kell <JEFF%UTCVM@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: HP-3000 Kermit usage note
After noting some particularly sluggish throughput using HP3000 Kermit,
particularly on the newer systems running MPE/XL, I began experimenting
with various configurations and options. A few results were particularly
noteworthy and constitute a "usage note" that should be included somewhere
in the package (BWR?) and does not modify any code.
HP3000 Kermit runs with HANDSHAKE XON, and generally requires HANDSHAKE XON
on the PC-side as well to eliminate overruns during uploads at high speeds.
You will not notice this (or need it) at low speeds although there may be
a number of retries if the system is not ready for the next block before it
is sent. Thus a local HANDSHAKE XON insures integrity, but slows down the
transfer rate to a near-ridiculous level.
However, as of MPE/XL 1.2, typehead is available (a poor implementation IMHO
but that's another issue). Since Kermit turns off echo during transfers, the
annoying typeahead echo is also turned off, and thus doesn't adversely affect
transfers. Simply turn typeahead on, and no local HANDSHAKE XON is needed!
The system buffers any packets sent before it is "ready" for them up to the
limit of the typeahead buffer. If this buffer is filled, the system does a
flow-control xoff/xon (apparently, at least I was not able to force it to lose
data even at 19.2 Kbaud). Throughput increases up to 4x have been observed
using typeahead rather than local HANDSHAKE XON.
<Jeff>
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