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CDPub Digest                Thu,  1 Jul 93       Volume   93: Issue   5

Today's Topics:
              Best solution for imagedatabase? (2 msgs)
                     Blank media prices (3 msgs)
                      CD-ROM publishing (5 msgs)
                IBM/BlockBuster CD-R Venture (2 msgs)
                     ISO/IEC DIS 13490 (ECMA-168)
                           Mastering system
              Ok, this is from the CR-ROM list (2 msgs)
                            one off prices
                Pioneer 6-CD multiplayer Q's (3 msgs)
                         Problems with MSCDEX
                  Returned mail: Service unavailable
                       Standards and royalties
                          Undeliverable Mail
                        What to buy? (4 msgs)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 14:46:11 SET
From: Jostein Svendsen <emory!ccmail.odh.no!josteins>
Subject: Best solution for imagedatabase?
To: [e-mail]

Dear netters,

I'm working on a project at Lillehammer College in Norway where we will make a
CD ROM with "high resolution" (640 x 480, thousands of colours) images of
Norwegian fine art. The CD will contain about 2-3000 images and will be used as
a teaching tool, in distance education and as information system for museums
contributing with images. Maybe it will also be sold to the public.

I am researching which solution to choose for our project. We want the
production to be as cheep as possible and the necessary users equipment also as
cheep as possible. But it must be a powerful tool for the user to search and
retrive information and photos about Norwegian fine art.

We want a product which is crossplattform compatible. With a database engine
for both Mac and PC/Windows. If there is a way to do this using the Photo CD
standard, making it possible to play the CD on a standard Photo CD player, we
will use it.

Right now we are looking into using the Photo CD standard as a fundament. Using
either the Photo CD Portfolio or Catalog we can put thousands of images
accompanied by text on a single CD. The CD can be played on Photo CD players,
CD-I and computers with a CD ROM player. On a Mac or PC we hope to use Kodaks
Shoebox software as an interface to the imagedatabase. But we haven't seen this
in use yet, and that's why I hope to get some help from you.

Which solution will you suggest for us to use on our project?

Jostein :-D

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 14:16:49 PDT
From: Chris Barker <emory!microsoft.com!cbarker>
Subject: Best solution for imagedatabase?
To: [e-mail], netmail.UUCP!knex!KNEXMAILER

Have you considered Microsoft's Viewer 2.0 Multimedia authoring tool?
If you want to check out what it can do, buy a copy of Microsoft
Encarta which was produced with Viewer 2.0.

-CB
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> From:  <netmail![e-mail]>
> To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List  <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Best solution for imagedatabase?
> Date: Mon, Jun 21, 1993 2:46PM
>
> Dear netters,
>
> I'm working on a project at Lillehammer College in Norway where we
will make a
> CD ROM with "high resolution" (640 x 480, thousands of colours) images of
> Norwegian fine art. The CD will contain about 2-3000 images and will
be used as
> a teaching tool, in distance education and as information system for museums
> contributing with images. Maybe it will also be sold to the public.
>
> I am researching which solution to choose for our project. We want the
> production to be as cheep as possible and the necessary users
equipment also as
> cheep as possible. But it must be a powerful tool for the user to search and
> retrive information and photos about Norwegian fine art.
>
> We want a product which is crossplattform compatible. With a database engine
> for both Mac and PC/Windows. If there is a way to do this using the Photo CD
> standard, making it possible to play the CD on a standard Photo CD
player, we
> will use it.
>
> Right now we are looking into using the Photo CD standard as a
fundament. Using
> either the Photo CD Portfolio or Catalog we can put thousands of images
> accompanied by text on a single CD. The CD can be played on Photo CD
players,
> CD-I and computers with a CD ROM player. On a Mac or PC we hope to
use Kodaks
> Shoebox software as an interface to the imagedatabase. But we haven't
seen this
> in use yet, and that's why I hope to get some help from you.
>
> Which solution will you suggest for us to use on our project?
>
> Jostein :-D
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 02:33:45 -0700
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: Blank media prices
To: [e-mail]

I am paying $19 each for 63 minute media, and $24
each for 74 minute media.  Does anyone know of any
cheaper prices?  I am going through about 100
discs/month, so it adds up to a lot of money.

I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Kodak is
selling 63 minute media for $6 to licensed
Photo-CD developers.  Does anyone know if this is
true?

If anyone on this list is a licensed Photo-CD
developer, and you can get them for that price,
would you be interested in reselling a few hundred
for a nice profit?

    -bob

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 93 16:46:38 EDT
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blank media prices
emory!cdrom.com!rab writes:

> I am paying $19 each for 63 minute media, and $24
> each for 74 minute media.  Does anyone know of any
> cheaper prices?  I am going through about 100
> discs/month, so it adds up to a lot of money.
>

$ 17-19 seems to be figures unless purchase volume exceeds 1000+

> I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Kodak is
> selling 63 minute media for $6 to licensed
> Photo-CD developers.  Does anyone know if this is
> true?
>
I dimly recall something about the media being marked with PhotoCD logo
which is a restrictive trade mark. Kodak is very fussy about the use of
this logo. I doubt very much they would allow anyone to resell these
media. I am not sure if they can ensure that the media will work only
with photofinishing equipment - but if they could, they probably would.
Otherwise such price differential will surely create a gray market.

> If anyone on this list is a licensed Photo-CD
> developer, and you can get them for that price,
> would you be interested in reselling a few hundred
> for a nice profit?
>
See what I mean, about the gray market? :-) :-)

Any comments from kodak people?

GeSS
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: emory!rain.org!jalvarez (Joe Alvarez)
Subject: Blank media prices
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] says:
>
> I am paying $19 each for 63 minute media, and $24
> each for 74 minute media.  Does anyone know of any
> cheaper prices?  I am going through about 100
> discs/month, so it adds up to a lot of money.

>     -bob
>
For doing CD-ROM masters, this is a pretty decent price!  How many
do you have to buy to get that price and where? Sorry to post here.
I tried to send E-Mail, but your address was rejected. Actually,
there are probably others who are wondering, too.

Thanks!

Joe Alvarez ([e-mail])

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 12:51:09 CDT
From: emory!white.rtsg.mot.com!smithrh
Subject: CD-ROM publishing
To: [e-mail]

Hello everyone!

I'm new to this mailing list, so forgive me please if these are FAQs!

Is anyone out there publishing using Interleaf's World View Press?

Also, any comments on creating CD-ROMs on the desktop off of UNIX
boxes?

Thanks in advance for any comments and help,

Randy

======================================================================
Randall H. Smith                             Motorola, Inc.
[e-mail]                  Cellular Infrastructure
[phone]                               Arlington Heights, IL USA
======================================================================

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 21:23:11 EDT
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD-ROM publishing
emory!white.rtsg.mot.com!smithrh writes:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm new to this mailing list, so forgive me please if these are FAQs!
>
> Is anyone out there publishing using Interleaf's World View Press?
>
No comment here, as I don't know anything about Interleaf WVP.

> Also, any comments on creating CD-ROMs on the desktop off of UNIX
> boxes?
>
Quite a few people seem to be happy using the Young Minds set-up for
doing CD-R publishing using their CD Studio hardware/software combo.
They support RockRidge (if I remember correctly) to support unix style
path names and file names. A dedicated Intel x86 based unit is used
to interface to the CD-R Recorder (Philips). Actual premastering
software runs on unix workstations.

Two other popular packages Topix from Optical Media and CD.Gen from
CD-Rom Strategies also have unix versions for premastering ISO-9660
CD-Roms. But I am not sure if they can do rockridge extensions, which
may be a requirement for unix only cd-roms.

GeSS
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 93 14:16:01 EDT
From: emory!standards.com!kaikow (Howard Kaikow)
Subject: CD-ROM publishing
To: [e-mail]

>They support RockRidge (if I remember correctly) to support unix style
>path names and file names. A dedicated Intel x86 based unit is used
>to interface to the CD-R Recorder (Philips). Actual premastering
>software runs on unix workstations.

rockridge is NOT a standard and cannot be used for interchange, even among
just *ix platforms, unless the target platforms also understand the rockridge
conventions.

>But I am not sure if they can do rockridge extensions, which
>may be a requirement for unix only cd-roms.

What does "unix only" mean? One can always master standard conforming ISO
9660 disks that can be read by *ix, as well as other, platforms.

If "unix only" means you want to use more of the posix file attributes,
longer File Identifiers, deeper directory trees, etc., then you can only do
this via private agreement, e.g., by using rockridge on systems that
understand rockridge or by creating non-standard media using, e.g., longer
File Identifiers, non-standard ISO 9660 characters in File Identifiers and
deeper directory trees. Note that there is nothing in the recorded structures
of ISO 9660 that prevents deeper directory trees from being recorded, however,
the resultant disks are non-standard and may not be readable on all platforms,
however, neither is rockridge.

A solution is to opt for an appropriate and timely revision to ISO 9660.
The silence on this point in this newslist is deafening, speak now, or
don't complain later.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 93 15:14:08 -0700
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: CD-ROM publishing
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] said...
>Note that there is nothing in the recorded structures
>of ISO 9660 that prevents deeper directory trees from being recorded, however,
>the resultant disks are non-standard and may not be readable on all platforms,

Just curious, but *what* systems will break.  I have never heard of any
systems that break if you go over eight levels.  I asked once before, and
several people said "VMS", but none of them actually used VMS.  I have
since found out that VMS reads deep directories with no problem.

As far as I know, there are no systems that break.  I have distributed
thousands of CD-ROMs with directories over eight levels deep and I have
never received a single complaint about it.

I don't know of any systems that break if version numbers are left off,
if directories have extensions, or if hyphens and other special characters
are used in the pathnames.

> A solution is to opt for an appropriate and timely revision to ISO 9660.
> The silence on this point in this newslist is deafening, speak now, or
> don't complain later.

Well, for starters, I would like to see the silly restrictions listed
above removed since no one needs them anyway.

I would like to be able to use mixed upper/lower case in filenames.
Single case systems (e.g. MS-DOS) could collapse them all into single
case so the names would have to be case-independently unique.  But
it would make the filenames more readable for case-sensitive systems.

I would like to see a formalization of the way a level-1 system (such
as MS-DOS) handles level-2 names.  In practice, I have found that
MSCDEX will choke on directory names longer than 8 chars, but it
will handle filenames and extensions up to 32 chars as long as
they are unique when truncated to 8+3.  I would like to know that
future versions of MSCDEX and other level-1 systems will work the
same way.

    -bob

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 23:05:35 EDT
From: emory!standards.com!kaikow (Howard Kaikow)
Subject: CD-ROM publishing
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] stated:

>Just curious, but *what* systems will break.  I have never heard of any
>systems that break if you go over eight levels.  I asked once before, and
>several people said "VMS", but none of them actually used VMS.  I have
>since found out that VMS reads deep directories with no problem.

>As far as I know, there are no systems that break.  I have distributed
>thousands of CD-ROMs with directories over eight levels deep and I have
>never received a single complaint about it.

At the time the High Sierra format was designed it was alleged that VMS and
one other major vendor's system (as I recall, Apple had a system that was
limited to 32 levels, or something like that) could not handle a
deep directory tree. At that time VMS was indeed the lowest common
denominator, however, using rooted directories on VMS you can get, I always
forget the actual number, 16 or 17 levels (in the context of ISO 9660).

In practice, you can use more than 8 levels on a 9660 disk, but as it would
be non-conforming, you might get an unpleasant surprise on some
implementation.

As most systems are now becoming posix compliant, the only remaining
restriction is on the length of the resolved pathname. Future standards, e.g.
ISO/IEC DIS 13346 (write-once and rewritable media using non-sequential
recording) and ISO/IEC DIS 13490 (read-only and write-once compact disc media)
do not have a restriction on the number of levels. In fact, they may be more
restrictive at the lowest level, at which the maximum length of a resolved
pathname shall not exceed 64 (I wonder what system has that restriction??).

Any revision  to ISO 9660 would  fix this problem the same way.

>I don't know of any systems that break if version numbers are left off,
>if directories have extensions, or if hyphens and other special characters
>are used in the pathnames.

Yes, but it wasn't easy. I was involved in explaining these issues to
implementors at many/most of the major systems providers. In addition,
I was involved in the functional/design spec for DEC's recently released
implementation on Alpha and, hopefully, eventual release on VMS. On some
systems its tricky to handle all these cases, however, there was an obvious
need to do so in the market place so it got done, but it sure cost me a lot
of time.

In DIS 13346 and 13490, File Version Numbers are handled as a separate binary
field, but the API issue is still the same; there is no longer a concept
of a "file name extension", tho level one restricts the format to no more
than 8.3 (Hmmm, wonder where that came from?); most importantly, the
character set used for File Identifiers has been opened up in an intelligent
manner, however, there is still a level 1 restricted, in effect, to you know
who's allowed file identifiers.

A revision to ISO 9660 would fix this in the same way.

>Well, for starters, I would like to see the silly restrictions listed
>above removed since no one needs them anyway.

You would get your wish in a revision.

>I would like to be able to use mixed upper/lower case in filenames.
>Single case systems (e.g. MS-DOS) could collapse them all into single
>case so the names would have to be case-independently unique.  But
>it would make the filenames more readable for case-sensitive systems.

Again , you would get your wish, but still have a level 1 to deal with as
long as systems such as MS-DOS have their restrictions and are widely used.

> would like to see a formalization of the way a level-1 system (such
>a MS-DOS) handles level-2 names.  In practice, I have found that
>MCDEX will choke on directory names longer than 8 chars, but it
>wll handle filenames and extensions up to 32 chars as long as
>they are unique when truncated to 8+3.  I would like to know that
>future versions of MSCDEX and other level-1 systems will work the
>same way.

Bill Gates, Dave Cutler, etc., are you listening?

Just last week, I was at a meeting in Pasadena at which such issues are
starting to be discussed for ISO/IEC DIS 13346.

A number of people would like to have a common API for DIS 13346, DIS 13490,
ISO 9660 (it needs to be revised to facilitate the common API) and pending
tape standards.

If the right people are funded, these new standards and associated API could
be done relatively quickly, in the sense of standards, two to five years.
This is an area in which I'd like to do some consulting.

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 93 18:41:45 EDT
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: IBM/BlockBuster CD-R Venture
I came across a brief news item about the IBM/BlockBuster joint venture
to deliver music to consumers on custom cut CDs at the store. Looks like
CD-R and its successor (whatever it might be) will provide good competition
to traditionally pressed music CDs.

According to this, a customer will walk into a store, access a database
of the more than 100,000 CD Titles. On selecting a title, a high speed
data highway (then in place) will download the music tracks in digital
form to the store, where a high speed recorder will cut the CD, a color
laser printer will print the jacket and notes and out goes the customer
with his CD. (hopefully within one hour :-))

Stores don't have to inventory CDs. (Apparently they now carry only
about 7,000 titles out of the 100,000 available). The entire distribution
channel is eliminated and possibly some of the pressing plants.

The publishers directly submit the music to the central database and are
paid by copy sold.

The concept is intriguing and many small labels and new labels can get
in on it - All they need to do is to get on the database!

The CD-R tail is wagging the CD dog. :-) The next scenario is to be able
get custom cuts on a single CD and get the stuff delivered to your own
home or office for you to record it in the latest digital gizmo.... The
age of telephone, communications, audio, video is already here. And the
assault on your credit or (debit) cards will surely start.

Seriously - does anyone have any details on this IBM/Blockbuster affair?
This is an interesting application of CD-R technology.

GeSS
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 22:10:24 SET
From: Lode Goukens <emory!FPSW.UFSIA.AC.BE!PS890866>
Subject: IBM/BlockBuster CD-R Venture
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>

Hello,

Did anybody see more information on IBM making Sony MMCD titles?
I read also a short article in Publish about Newsweek Interactive. Does anyone
have extra information on that too?

Thanks in advance,

Lode Goukens

PS: I used the MMCD and it was great (has its own pc in it).

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 22:43:20 EDT
From: emory!standards.com!kaikow (Howard Kaikow)
Subject: ISO/IEC DIS 13490 (ECMA-168)
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

ISO/IEC DIS 13490: Volume and file structure of read-only and write-once
           compact disc media for information interchange

Thanks to Bob Bruce of Walnut Creek,  ISO/IEC DIS 13490 (ECMA-168) is now
available via ftp or ftpmail.

It is available at cdrom.com in  /cdrom/ecma168.

-rw-rw-r--   1 ftp      daemon    1464291 Jun 10 12:13 ecma168a.eps
-rw-rw-r--   1 ftp      daemon     476887 Jun 10 12:17 ecma168a.eps.Z

You can get a uuencoded version (about 684523 bytes) via ftpmail.

ECMA 168 is published on A4 paper.

ECMA168A.EPS is the encapsulated postscript version. This has the same
pagination and table of contents as the published standard.

When printing the A4 version on  US-style  printers, the top and/or bottom of
each page would be lost. The bottom should not be a problem and the top
presents the following losses:

    a. Page numbers
    b. Each page of each Part of the multipart standard has a Part
       number of the form ECMA-168/n, where n is the Part number. The
       loss of this makes flipping  back and forth to check cross
       references a bit more cumbersome.

An 8.5" by 11" version is not available (it would take me at least .5 to 1
day to create such a version).

This not an easy document to read, but should make you happy just by seeing
the functionality it offers.

Note that the ISO vote on the standard closes 11 September 1993, with
planned resolution of the comments at a meeting tentatively scheduled for
early November.

Should you wish to comment on the draft standard, comments need to be
submitted thru the national standards organization in your own country.

If I am copied on any comments, I'll pass them along to ECMA and certain
other interested parties.

Note that I presently do not follow alt.cd-rom or comp.arch.storage as the
NNTP software I presently have crashes my system. I do follow the cdrom-l and
cdpub newslists.

Howard Kaikow
65 Spring Cove Road
PO Box 1333
Nashua, NH 03061-1333
USA
voice: [phone]
fax: [phone]
email: [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1993 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: emory!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!BBERGSMARK
Subject: Mastering system
To: [e-mail]

    Hello CD-ROM publishers,

             I am currently looking at cd-r mastering systems and
would appreciate any advice that anyone might have. Our department
is interested in mastering cd's for multimedia,data storage and text
storage. One project would involve writing data to a disk which would
be accessed by a vax (VMS). Another project would invlove pressing
digital images(scanned photographs,slides etc.) and digital video onto
a cd. We'd also like to press 'electronic books' onto disk. The last
two projects would be accessed over a novell network. I've heard the
names Phillips, and Sony in reference to burners and CD.GEN software
in regards to mastering software. I would appreciate any information


                                       Thank You,
                    BethAnn Bergsmark
                [e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 13:08 CST
From: "Bob (Moo Cow) Hyland, GM Terrace Thunderbirds" <emory!SLUVCA.SLU.EDU!HYLANDRA>
Subject: Ok, this is from the CR-ROM list
To: [e-mail]

:           Robert J barth wrote
:  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: |||I have a Pioneer DRM-600 6-CD multiplayer -
: |||
: |||Does anyone know how I could set it up to be 1 drive letter, rather than 6
: |||as I'm sure I read somewhere this was possible ?
:  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
:
: You'll need the DRD608.SYS device driver (download it from Pioneers
: support system). It assigns one drive-letter to the complete sixpack.
: With a little program you can switch 'the active' disc.
:
: Bert Rozenberg
:
: ---
:  * TLX v1.55 * Don't shoot! I'm only the Casio player!

Just in case we wanted to know,
Bob Hyland

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 08:49:36 CST
From: emory!pax.tpa.com.au!dclunie (David Clunie)
Subject: Ok, this is from the CR-ROM list
To: [e-mail]

> : You'll need the DRD608.SYS device driver (download it from Pioneers
> : support system). It assigns one drive-letter to the complete sixpack.
> : With a little program you can switch 'the active' disc.

Does anyone have the phone number of Pioneer's support system ?

david

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 15:28:10 -0700
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: one off prices
To: [e-mail]

No one has either confirmed or denied the rumor I posted about $6
CD-R blanks from Kodak.  But several people sent email asking where
I was getting 63min blanks for $19.

You can always get the lowest known CD-R prices in the alt.cd-rom faq
which is available via anonymous ftp from cdrom.com in the file
/cdrom/faq.

Here is the current information:

  Here are several sources for blank discs:

  DataDisc (1-800-328-2347, 1-703-347-9085 FAX).  74 minute $27 quantity 10.
  63 minute $19 quantity 25.

  The One-Off CD Shop MidSouth, Inc.
  109-C Jefferson Street N
  Huntsville, AL  35801
  [phone]  FAX [phone]
   QTY     CD-R 63         CD-R 74
   1-9     $23.00          $25.00
   10-49   $22.75          $24.75
   50-99   $22.50          $24.50
   100-499 $20.75          $22.75
   500+    $19.50          $21.50

  DataWare (1-510-942-3111, ask for Jeff Caplan).  74 minute (650 meg) blanks
  for $31 quantity ten, $29 quantity 100, and $27 quantity 500.

  Sonic Solutions 415-485-4800.  Their April 1992 price list shows CD-R74
  quantity 100 as $27.50, CD-R63 quantity 100 as $25.00.

  The U.S. sales office for DIC (a Japanese ink and chemical company) can
  be reached at 201-224-9344.  DIC claims a useful life in excess of
  75 years for their discs.

  APDC sells blanks discs, magneto-optical disks, 8mm and 4mm tapes.
  800-522-7232, ask for Susan Bradley.

  Kodak also sells them.  Call 800-242-2424.

  Mitsui Toatsu: The product name for their disks is Airy.  Their
  advertising literature claims that the accelerated aging tests
  indicate a life of up to 240 years assuming storage at 25C.  The Warranty
  on the jewel case is for 1 year from date of purchase.

  Japan         03-3592-4774
  United States 212-867-6330
  Germany       211-320458
  England       71-976-1180

  Some other source for blank discs (sorry, no phone numbers):
  TDK, JVC, Ricoh, Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi Chemicals.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 15:33:14  GMT
From: emory!sound.demon.co.uk!rob (Robert J Barth)
Subject: Pioneer 6-CD multiplayer Q's
To: [e-mail]

I have a Pioneer DRM-600 6-CD multiplayer -

Does anyone know how I could set it up to be 1 drive letter, rather than 6,
as I'm sure I read somewhere this was possible ?

Also, how many of these drives could i put on a PC with an Adaptec 1542c ?

thanks for your help
-rob-

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 10:06:03 EDT
From: Gess Shankar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pioneer 6-CD multiplayer Q's
emory!sound.demon.co.uk!rob writes:

> I have a Pioneer DRM-600 6-CD multiplayer -
>
> Does anyone know how I could set it up to be 1 drive letter, rather than 6,
> as I'm sure I read somewhere this was possible ?
>
You may have a better response in CDROM-L list than here. However -
I am rather fuzzy on why you would want to do this. Would this not mean
that you have to manually select the disc that is in the playing position?
Whereas - by assigning different drive letters, the driver will take care
of loading the correct disc.....

> Also, how many of these drives could i put on a PC with an Adaptec 1542c ?
>
If you have ftp access, a FAQ List is available just for the Pioneer unit.
You can get it from cdrom.com     cdrom/drm_604x.faq

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 02:22:13 -0700
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <emory!cdrom.com!rab>
Subject: Pioneer 6-CD multiplayer Q's
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] said...
>I have a Pioneer DRM-600 6-CD multiplayer -
>
>Does anyone know how I could set it up to be 1 drive letter, rather than 6,
>as I'm sure I read somewhere this was possible ?

I have never heard of anyone doing this.  How would you access each
disc?  I suppose you could make each appear as a different directory
on a single drive, but I wouldn't want to have to  write the block
device driver that did this.  Gack!

>Also, how many of these drives could i put on a PC with an Adaptec 1542c ?

Each disc can either have its own SCSI id, or you can assign them each
a LUN (local unit number).  If you use the LUNs then all six discs appear
as one SCSI id, so you can daisy chain up to seven units.  That is a total
of 42 CDROMs.  Wow.

If you want more info, you can get the file /cdrom/drives/drm_604x.faq
by anonymous ftp from cdrom.com.  This file is about the high speed
604X, rather than the original 604, but much of the information applies
to both.

    -bob

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 14:59 CST
From: "Bob (Moo Cow) Hyland, GM Terrace Thunderbirds" <emory!SLUVCA.SLU.EDU!HYLANDRA>
Subject: Problems with MSCDEX
To: [e-mail]

I left the following message on the CD-Rom list, but am wondering if anyone
here has encountered this problem, or has suggestions as to how it may be
fixed.  Thanks in advance.

I saw a message recently here about a problem using MSCDEX in DMA mode.  I
have had the same problems.  My problem occurred using MSCDEX with a Sony
Internal CD-Rom drive, when using it in DMA mode (using MTMCDE versus MTMCDS).
I switched to MTMCDS and the problem seems to have cleared up.

Specifically, my system would lock up when I tried to access the CD-Rom and I
either:  Moved the mouse, or typed a key on the keyboard.  This happened when
using Windows.  However, I occassionally had a system lock-up even when
connecting to it from DOS (version 5.0).  Again, the problem seems to have
cleared up, but it has not been tested long enough for me to claim a cure.

So, I have 1 point and one question:  the point is that if you have system
lockup troubles using MTMCDE with MSCDEX (version 2.1), either do not move the
mouse or cause any system interrupts or install MTMCDS.  MTMCDS seems to be
a real fix, though.  My question, though, is the same as an earlier writer:
how can one use MTMCDE (with direct memory access) and gain the speed
advantages of using DMA?  If anyone has any hints, I'd appreciate it.

I will also send this message to the CDPub list, and will forward any
responses I recieve from there to this list.

Thank you in advance for any help,
Bob H.
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
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On Tue, 15 Jun 1993 [e-mail] wrote:

>    I have a dilemma.  Which CDR-ROM machine should I be buying?  We want to
> buy one, and were about to get the Sony.  However, I have found a deal on a
> Phillips that is too good to pass up.  My concern's are as follows:
>
> 1.  The buffer on the Phillips is about 256K compared to 3MB for the Sony.
> Has anyone had problems with the smaller buffer on the Phillips (we will be
> mastering from a Quadra 700 or 950).
>
> 2.  The multi-session capabilities of the Phillips are appealing, but are
> they standard?  Might this be a good choice over the Sony for things like
> PhotoCD (when Kodak releases affordable mastering tools)?
>
> 3.  We want to be able to create HFS, ISO, XA, Audio and mixed mode (both
> audio/HFS and audio/ISO).  Any problems with these?

Brent,
If you're using a Macintosh, and money is in short supply, you might
consider the Pinnacle Micro RCD-202 Recordable CD. It handles the 680 MB
format and most data formats (ISO 9660, HFS, etc.) Their phone # is
714-727-3300. If you're in the U.S., by all means, call them @ 800-553-7070.

The retail price is $3995, which is thousands less than some. The only
thing I know of different about this drive is that the buffer memory is
only 64K. It may record a little slower, but that doesn't necessarily
reflect on accuracy. (It is rated at between 153-176K/sec transfer rate.)
Works out to just over an hour for a full CD.

Does anyone know anything more about this drive?

There's a consulting firm here in town that says it will sell them for
$3499. (Cheap!) The only catch is that it must be pre-paid.:-( (They don't
have VISA/Mastercard set-up.) It's Applied Computer Solutions and you can try
them at [phone].

Hope this helps provide another option.

joe
([e-mail])

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 93 10:59:14 EDT
From: emory!standards.com!kaikow (Howard Kaikow)
Subject: Standards and royalties
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

In CDROM-L, it was stated:

>: From what the rep said, PhotoCd is not a published standard, and he said
>that even if it was (which shows how much he knew), you'd still have to pay
>royalties for it's use....  Can anybody else verify this information?


Photo CD is not a published standard.

Even if something is a standard, royalties still may apply. ANSI, ECMA, ISO
and all other major standards approval bodies have policies which permit
royalties to be required. Remember, you are paying
royalties whenever you buy a CD, even tho IEC 908 and ISO/IEC 10149 are
standards (there are no patents involved with ISO 9660). The following is
my attempt to reproduce the relevant statement from the JTC1 Procedures,
Annex G, Rules for reference to patented items in JTC 1 standards.

        If the proposal is accepted on technical grounds, any known
        patent holder shall be requested to state that he is willing to
        grant a license to an unlimited number of applicants throughout the
        world on reasonable terms and conditions that are demonstrably free
        of any unfair discriminiation. A record of the patent holder's
        statement should be placed in the files of thr ITTF. If the patent
        holder does not provide such a statement, JTC 1 should not proceed
        with th inclusion of a patented item unless Councils decide that
        exceptional circumstances justify this.

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Subject: Undeliverable Mail
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:23:55 EDT
From: emory!suvm.acs.syr.EDU!ingerman(Bret Ingerman 315-443-1114)
Subject: What to buy?
To: [e-mail]

   I have a dilemma.  Which CDR-ROM machine should I be buying?  We want to
buy one, and were about to get the Sony.  However, I have found a deal on a
Phillips that is too good to pass up.  My concern's are as follows:

1.  The buffer on the Phillips is about 256K compared to 3MB for the Sony.
Has anyone had problems with the smaller buffer on the Phillips (we will be
mastering from a Quadra 700 or 950).

2.  The multi-session capabilities of the Phillips are appealing, but are
they standard?  Might this be a good choice over the Sony for things like
PhotoCD (when Kodak releases affordable mastering tools)?

3.  We want to be able to create HFS, ISO, XA, Audio and mixed mode (both
audio/HFS and audio/ISO).  Any problems with these?



   I appreciate your feedback.  We need to move on this fairly soon (before
budget dollars disappear).  If you wish, you can respond to me directly
(although I think others may be interested on the list as well).

   Thanks in advance.

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Bret Ingerman                        internet:  [e-mail]
  Manager, Advanced Applications Group   bitnet:  ingerman@suvm
  Computing Services
  Syracuse University                     phone:  [phone]
  105 Archbold                              fax:  [phone]
  Syracuse, NY 13244-1140
  USA
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Alvarez <emory!coyote.rain.org!jalvarez>
Subject: What to buy?
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 15 Jun 1993 [e-mail] wrote:

>    I have a dilemma.  Which CDR-ROM machine should I be buying?  We want to
> buy one, and were about to get the Sony.  However, I have found a deal on a
> Phillips that is too good to pass up.  My concern's are as follows:
>
> 1.  The buffer on the Phillips is about 256K compared to 3MB for the Sony.
> Has anyone had problems with the smaller buffer on the Phillips (we will be
> mastering from a Quadra 700 or 950).
>
> 2.  The multi-session capabilities of the Phillips are appealing, but are
> they standard?  Might this be a good choice over the Sony for things like
> PhotoCD (when Kodak releases affordable mastering tools)?
>
> 3.  We want to be able to create HFS, ISO, XA, Audio and mixed mode (both
> audio/HFS and audio/ISO).  Any problems with these?

Brent,
If you're using a Macintosh, and money is in short supply, you might
consider the Pinnacle Micro RCD-202 Recordable CD. It handles the 680 MB
format and most data formats (ISO 9660, HFS, etc.) Their phone # is
714-727-3300. If you're in the U.S., by all means, call them @ 800-553-7070.

The retail price is $3995, which is thousands less than some. The only
thing I know of different about this drive is that the buffer memory is
only 64K. It may record a little slower, but that doesn't necessarily
reflect on accuracy. (It is rated at between 153-176K/sec transfer rate.)
Works out to just over an hour for a full CD.

Does anyone know anything more about this drive?

There's a consulting firm here in town that says it will sell them for
$3499. (Cheap!) The only catch is that it must be pre-paid.:-( (They don't
have VISA/Mastercard set-up.) It's Applied Computer Solutions and you can try
them at [phone].

Hope this helps provide another option.

joe
([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:11:08 -0400
From: emory!xgml.com!emp
Subject: What to buy?
To: [e-mail]

Bret Ingerman ([e-mail]) writes:
   I have a dilemma.  Which CDR-ROM machine should I be buying?  We want to
buy one, and were about to get the Sony.  However, I have found a deal on a
Phillips that is too good to pass up.

  We just started cutting discs this week on our brand new Sony 900E.
I know nothing about the Phillips machine, but I can give you some feedback.

> 1.  The buffer on the Phillips is about 256K compared to 3MB for the Sony.

  Hmmm.  Out of 3 discs done at double speed, the 3 MB buffer emptied
once.  I'm now running at single speed, and have had no problems.  I
don't know if 256K will be too small though.

2.  The multi-session capabilities of the Phillips are appealing, but are
they standard? ...

  I can't comment on this.

3.  We want to be able to create HFS, ISO, XA, Audio and mixed mode (both
audio/HFS and audio/ISO).  Any problems with these?

  The Sony disc type menu supports HFS, ISO, XA, CD-I, and Unix.
We've build ISO (9660) and XA discs so far with no problems.  It also
supports multi-track discs, where the first track can be one of the
above, types, followed by up to 98 CD-DA (Redbook) audio tracks.

-- Eric [e-mail]--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
   Speaking for me only.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:11:08 -0400
From: bcm!rutgers!xgml.com!emp
Subject: What to buy?
To: CD-R & CDRom Publishing Discussion List <knex.via.mind.org!CDPub>

Bret Ingerman ([e-mail]) writes:
   I have a dilemma.  Which CDR-ROM machine should I be buying?  We want to
buy one, and were about to get the Sony.  However, I have found a deal on a
Phillips that is too good to pass up.

  We just started cutting discs this week on our brand new Sony 900E.
I know nothing about the Phillips machine, but I can give you some feedback.

> 1.  The buffer on the Phillips is about 256K compared to 3MB for the Sony.

  Hmmm.  Out of 3 discs done at double speed, the 3 MB buffer emptied
once.  I'm now running at single speed, and have had no problems.  I
don't know if 256K will be too small though.

2.  The multi-session capabilities of the Phillips are appealing, but are
they standard? ...

  I can't comment on this.

3.  We want to be able to create HFS, ISO, XA, Audio and mixed mode (both
audio/HFS and audio/ISO).  Any problems with these?

  The Sony disc type menu supports HFS, ISO, XA, CD-I, and Unix.
We've build ISO (9660) and XA discs so far with no problems.  It also
supports multi-track discs, where the first track can be one of the
above, types, followed by up to 98 CD-DA (Redbook) audio tracks.

-- Eric [e-mail]--Exoterica Corporation, Ottawa, Ontario
   Speaking for me only.

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