home
***
CD-ROM
|
disk
|
FTP
|
other
***
search
/
8bitfiles.net/archives
/
archives.tar
/
archives
/
genie-commodore-file-library
/
Listserv
/
COM9606A.TXT
next >
Wrap
Text File
|
2019-04-13
|
23KB
|
518 lines
=========================================================================
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 14:34:00 ADT
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Christopher Hume <chume@BUSICOMP.NS.CA>
Subject: Changing e-mail address where list is sent to me
In a while, my e-mail address will be changing to a different one. I
understand if I wish to continue receiving this list (I do), I must first
subcribe under the old address, then subcribe to it (again), under the new
address. Unfortunately, I have lost the instructions on how to
subcribe/unsubscribe to this list. Could someone please help me out? Thanks
in advance.
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:00:47 -0230
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Adam Vardy <abe0084@INFONET.ST-JOHNS.NF.CA>
Subject: 1581 JiffyDOS tests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960520230036.3597A-100000@viking.cris.com>
I posted a message to this mailing list around a month ago asking
about the performance of JiffyDOS for the 1581. I ordered the JiffyDOS
ROM and installed it a couple weeks ago. Before and after installing, I
did some tests with my 1581, and I'm wondering what other JiffyDOS users
think about this. All testing was done using a C128 in C128 mode. So
here it is:
Without JiffyDOS, it took 8.5 seconds to load a 191 block file from
my 1581. With JiffyDOS it also takes 8.5 seconds to load the same 191
block file.
Booting ACE w/o JD took 21 seconds. Booting ACE with JD takes 21
seconds. Not a half a second difference.
Booting Desterm w/o JD took 24.4 seconds. It was a bit hard to
measure here because Desterm starts by playing music, but with JD I
think it was a half or a full second faster to boot. ~ 23.5
Booting Dialogue 128 (from the time I type BOOT U9) w/o JD took
29.5 seconds. Booting Dialogue with JD now takes exactly 29.5 seconds.
No difference.
Time it takes to download 2 .D64 files to an empty 3 1/2" disk when
using Dialogue and a 14.4 modem (Screen Output set to None):
W/o JD it took 08:25 minutes. With JD it took 08:18 minutes. That is a
total of 7 seconds faster. Or 1.4% speed increase.
OK. One thing is peculiar about the Dialogue boot. The loading time
comparisons in the Dialogue manual indicate a 4 second speed increase
with JD. So how can that be? Hmmm...
Obviously all of my testing falls far short of the speed comparisons in
the JD manual. I expected that I would only get a slight improvement
when using my C128 (as opposed to C64 mode) with the 1581. But none!
In the JD manual in gives numbers for Saving files indicating an 85%
increase in speed. And as I said, I only got 1.4% with the .D64 files.
So I am at a loss. :(
- Adam Vardy
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:16:36 -0700
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Sean Roe <jackryan@AZBIZ.NET>
Subject: Re: 1581 JiffyDOS tests
At 04:00 PM 6/4/96 -0230, you wrote:
> I posted a message to this mailing list around a month ago asking
>about the performance of JiffyDOS for the 1581. I ordered the JiffyDOS
>ROM and installed it a couple weeks ago. Before and after installing, I
>did some tests with my 1581, and I'm wondering what other JiffyDOS users
>think about this. All testing was done using a C128 in C128 mode. So
>here it is:
>
Do you have a JD ROM in your computer? they work in teams.....you need
both to make it scream! I have a 1581 w JD and there is a huge difference
between JD and regular.
Anyway, if you need more help, Email me
Sean Roe
jackryan@azbiz.net
59th Ready Reserve Maintaince Officer
Saber 14 Save Space:Above and Beyond!!!
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 22:55:42 -0230
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Adam Vardy <abe0084@INFONET.ST-JOHNS.NF.CA>
Subject: Re: 1581 JiffyDOS tests
In-Reply-To: <199606050016.RAA02967@host.yab.com>
On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Sean Roe wrote:
> At 04:00 PM 6/4/96 -0230, you wrote:
> > I posted a message to this mailing list around a month ago asking
> >about the performance of JiffyDOS for the 1581. I ordered the JiffyDOS
> >ROM and installed it a couple weeks ago. Before and after installing, I
> >did some tests with my 1581, and I'm wondering what other JiffyDOS users
> >think about this. All testing was done using a C128 in C128 mode. So
> >here it is:
> >
> Do you have a JD ROM in your computer? they work in teams.....you need
Oops. Did I omit to say that. Yes, I do have JiffyDOS in both my C128
and my 1581. It works great with my 1571.
> both to make it scream! I have a 1581 w JD and there is a huge difference
> between JD and regular.
There is a marked difference in 64 mode. But 128 mode appears to be
another story. Do you use a C64?
- Adam
>
> Anyway, if you need more help, Email me
>
> Sean Roe
> jackryan@azbiz.net
> 59th Ready Reserve Maintaince Officer
> Saber 14 Save Space:Above and Beyond!!!
>
=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:14:20 -0400
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Gaelyne Moranec <Gaelyne@CRIS.COM>
Subject: Re: 1581 JiffyDOS tests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960604155919.30300B-100000@InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca>
On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Adam Vardy wrote:
Are you using the same formatted disks as you were using without JD?
The reason I ask, is in the manual it states somewhere that when you use
disks that are formatted with JiffyDos, that you will see a difference
in load/save/read times. Try your tests again with disks formatted
using JiffyDOS (IE, with JD active).
This works in reverse too. If you give someone a disk formatted with
JiffyDOS and they don't have JD, their disk access times will actually
be slower than if it were a standard CBM DOS formated disk.
Am leavng your quotes below for clarity.
Gaelyne
> I posted a message to this mailing list around a month ago asking
> about the performance of JiffyDOS for the 1581. I ordered the JiffyDOS
> ROM and installed it a couple weeks ago. Before and after installing, I
> did some tests with my 1581, and I'm wondering what other JiffyDOS users
> think about this. All testing was done using a C128 in C128 mode. So
> here it is:
>
> Without JiffyDOS, it took 8.5 seconds to load a 191 block file from
> my 1581. With JiffyDOS it also takes 8.5 seconds to load the same 191
> block file.
>
> Booting ACE w/o JD took 21 seconds. Booting ACE with JD takes 21
> seconds. Not a half a second difference.
>
> Booting Desterm w/o JD took 24.4 seconds. It was a bit hard to
> measure here because Desterm starts by playing music, but with JD I
> think it was a half or a full second faster to boot. ~ 23.5
>
> Booting Dialogue 128 (from the time I type BOOT U9) w/o JD took
> 29.5 seconds. Booting Dialogue with JD now takes exactly 29.5 seconds.
> No difference.
>
> Time it takes to download 2 .D64 files to an empty 3 1/2" disk when
> using Dialogue and a 14.4 modem (Screen Output set to None):
> W/o JD it took 08:25 minutes. With JD it took 08:18 minutes. That is a
> total of 7 seconds faster. Or 1.4% speed increase.
>
>
> OK. One thing is peculiar about the Dialogue boot. The loading time
> comparisons in the Dialogue manual indicate a 4 second speed increase
> with JD. So how can that be? Hmmm...
>
> Obviously all of my testing falls far short of the speed comparisons in
> the JD manual. I expected that I would only get a slight improvement
> when using my C128 (as opposed to C64 mode) with the 1581. But none!
> In the JD manual in gives numbers for Saving files indicating an 85%
> increase in speed. And as I said, I only got 1.4% with the .D64 files.
> So I am at a loss. :(
>
>
> - Adam Vardy
>
//\ /\\ Gaelyne R. Moranec (Gasson) Fidonet:
|| * \ . . / * || 90 Hilliers Rd 1:366/221.128
\\____\X/____// Reynella, S.A. 5161 3:800/809.128
/ * /O\ * \ Australia
\__/ " \__/
Gaelyne@cris.com / moranec@hal9000.net.au
http://www.msen.com/~brain/guest/Gaelyne_Moranec
QWKRR: http://www.msen.com/~brain/guest/Gaelyne_Moranec/qwkrr/qtoc.html
Speaking only for myself and not for any employers or publications.
=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:33:53 -0500
Reply-To: abaugher@bcl.net
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Aaron Baugher <abaugher@BCL.NET>
Subject: Re: 1581 JiffyDOS tests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.93.960605001037.17022A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
(message from Gaelyne Moranec on Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:14:20 -0400)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:14:20 -0400
From: Gaelyne Moranec <Gaelyne@CRIS.COM>
Are you using the same formatted disks as you were using without
JD?
The reason I ask, is in the manual it states somewhere that when
you use disks that are formatted with JiffyDos, that you will see a
difference in load/save/read times. Try your tests again with
disks formatted using JiffyDOS (IE, with JD active).
This works in reverse too. If you give someone a disk formatted
with JiffyDOS and they don't have JD, their disk access times will
actually be slower than if it were a standard CBM DOS formated
disk.
Actually, what the manual talks about is differences in the
interleave. This applies to saving files on the disk, rather than
formatting. However, I don't think it applies to the 1581 at all:
On the 1541 and 1571 drives, the drive reads one sector at a time, and
has some pause time in between sector reads. Since the disk still
spins during this time, if you put sectors in sequential order, the
disk would have to make a full revolution between reads to get back to
the next sector. To speed things up, you try to set the interleave,
or number of sectors to skip before writing the next sector of a file,
to a value that allows the disk to spin to just about the right spot
before it's ready to write the next sector.
However, the stock 1581 comes with enough RAM to simply read an entire
track in one read, thus eliminating the need for an interleave. When
you do a sector read on the 1581, it reads in a full track, and then
gets the individual sectors from RAM. I'd imagine that the JD 1581
ROM does the same thing, since it's much faster than going back to the
disk for each one.
Aaron
--------------------------------------------------------
Aaron J. Baugher http://www.bcl.net/~abaugher
Software Engineer abaugher@bcl.net
Basic Communications, Ltd. _Roark_ on IRC
--------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:19:00 EST
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Christopher McLeod
<CMcLeod_+a_ALZA-DEK_+lChristopher_McLeod+r%Alza_Corp@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: Download speed
I just purchased a SwiftLink from CMD and am now setting it up for use
with a 9600 Hayes.
My question is, what sort of bps download speed can I expect to a
1581? Will it be a true 9600 download?
How about downloading to a RamLink? What kind of bps download speed
could I expect with that configuration?
Thanks!
Chris McLeod
=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:22:00 EST
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Christopher McLeod
<CMcLeod_+a_ALZA-DEK_+lChristopher_McLeod+r%Alza_Corp@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: Modem to modem connection
I have two C64 setups and I would like to connect them via a modem
connection or something like that.
What I want to do is to play Modem Wars with the two computers hooked
directly together rather than to have to have my opponent take the
whole setup to a different place so that we could use the phone lines
for the connection.
=========================================================================
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:45:24 PDT
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: carrillo@CARRILLO.TINKER.AF.MIL
Subject: Re: Download speed
--MYFHFZRDFKUQEJRN-B561C1E4
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
> I just purchased a SwiftLink from CMD and am now setting it up for use
> with a 9600 Hayes.
>
> My question is, what sort of bps download speed can I expect to a
> 1581? Will it be a true 9600 download?
>
> How about downloading to a RamLink? What kind of bps download speed
> could I expect with that configuration?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris McLeod
>
Hi Chris,
Just to let you know, I have the SwiftLink, and it
is connected to a 14.4 external. Works great and appears
to be true 14.4/9600/4800 etc.
--MYFHFZRDFKUQEJRN-B561C1E4
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
**************************************************
* _/ _/ _/ *
* _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ *
* _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ *
* _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ *
* _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ *
* ********************************************** *
* * carrillo@ocdis01.tinker.af.mil * *
* * victorio@aztec.asu.edu * *
* * ig154@cleveland.freenet.edu * *
* ********************************************** *
**************************************************
--MYFHFZRDFKUQEJRN-B561C1E4--
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 04:54:56 -0500
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: David Meads <dehat@CUPID.COM>
Subject: Modem to modem connection
CO> I have two C64 setups and I would like to connect them via a modem
CO> connection or something like that.
CO> What I want to do is to play Modem Wars with the two computers hooked
CO> directly together rather than to have to have my opponent take the
CO> whole setup to a different place so that we could use the phone lines
CO> for the connection.
Use a null modem adapter...it simulates a modem connection between two
computers...also works when using geoFAX!
c128user on IRC Undernet #ircnewbies, IRC EFFNet #c-64
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:09:00 EST
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Christopher McLeod
<CMcLeod_+a_ALZA-DEK_+lChristopher_McLeod+r%Alza_Corp@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: Other C= newsgroups?
Does anyone out there know of any other Commodore newsgroups to which
I could subscribe?
Thanks!
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:22:00 EST
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: Christopher McLeod
<CMcLeod_+a_ALZA-DEK_+lChristopher_McLeod+r%Alza_Corp@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject: null modem?
How do I make (or buy) a null modem cable? Is it possible to do it by
connecting two modems together?
Chris
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Modem to modem connection
Author: COMMODOR (COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION) at MCIMAIL Date: 06/06/96
04:54
CO> I have two C64 setups and I would like to connect them via a modem CO>
connection or something like that.
CO> What I want to do is to play Modem Wars with the two computers hooked
CO> directly together rather than to have to have my opponent take the CO>
whole setup to a different place so that we could use the phone lines CO>
for the connection.
Use a null modem adapter...it simulates a modem connection between two
computers...also works when using geoFAX!
c128user on IRC Undernet #ircnewbies, IRC EFFNet #c-64
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:17:14 -0500
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: David Meads <dehat@CUPID.COM>
Subject: null modem?
CO>How do I make (or buy) a null modem cable? Is it possible to do it by
CO>connecting two modems together?
CO>Chris
Check around some of the thrift stores or flea markets, if you don't
have a commodore users group...or call CMD. _______
c128user on IRC Undernet #ircnewbies, IRC Effnet #c-64 06/06
o
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:22 -0500
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: computacion 1 grupo 1 <cp1009@HP9000A1.UAM.MX>
Subject: Re: How to add titles to movies
There is a program called Video Title Shop from Datasoft (not
Broderbund) which lets you add titles and graphics effects with a C64. It
also has a paint program. I tried to get it some years ago, but wasn't
succesful.
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:49:48 -0600
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: "Tom A. Gislason" <gislason@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Download speed
In-Reply-To: <11960605171911/0005157132DC4EM@MCIMAIL.COM>
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Christopher McLeod wrote:
> I just purchased a SwiftLink from CMD and am now setting it up for use
> with a 9600 Hayes.
>
> My question is, what sort of bps download speed can I expect to a
> 1581? Will it be a true 9600 download?
>
> How about downloading to a RamLink? What kind of bps download speed
> could I expect with that configuration?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris McLeod
>
I have included your post here, so I can remind myself what I'm
talking about....just a little problem when you get older...
Anyways, if you are using a 9600 baud modem on a 128, you can do
it with just a RS-232 interface. You don't need the Swiftlink (from what
I understand, the 128 will go 9600 baud without any other help) (I know
that Rod Gasson or Gaylene might be able to help out here).
Downloading to a 1581 (the fastest Commodore drive) should be
fairly close to 9600 baud.
From what I've seen, this should be correct.
Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #92
Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 18:57:11 -0600
Reply-To: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Sender: COMMODORE COMPUTERS DISCUSSION <COMMODOR@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
From: "Tom A. Gislason" <gislason@FREENET.CALGARY.AB.CA>
Organization: Calgary Free-Net
Subject: Re: Modem to modem connection
In-Reply-To: <72960605172227/0005157132DC4EM@MCIMAIL.COM>
On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Christopher McLeod wrote:
> I have two C64 setups and I would like to connect them via a modem
> connection or something like that.
>
> What I want to do is to play Modem Wars with the two computers hooked
> directly together rather than to have to have my opponent take the
> whole setup to a different place so that we could use the phone lines
> for the connection.
Christopher,
There is any easy fix for that. What you can do, is hook two
modems up together by using a phone line, and then having the computers
call eath other. A friend of mine does that with his Amiga and 128. He
says that when he is d/l'ing files, it is fast as all get out. He is not
sure of the speed, but he figures it is well over 9600 baud.....and that
is using 2-2400 baud modems. He just sets his speed at 19,200 and goes at
it.
I'll check out his commands for you if you like.
Tom Gislason - Sysop - Emergency Call BBS (403)734-2382 (403)934-4756
Pearako Network Node #10 - CommNet Node #10
Internet address: gislason@freenet.calgary.ab.ca
FidoNet address: Tom Gislason @ 1:134/281.0
=END=