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- Topic 7 Tue Nov 03, 1987
- W.HATCH [Belgarion] (Forwarded)
- Sub: C=128 & 4040 DRIVE... HELP!!!
-
- I HAVE ACCESS TO A 4040 DRIVE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO USE A DUAL DRIVE WITH MY
- C=128. IS IT POSSIBLE? WHAT DO I NEED? DOES THE SOFTWARE OUT THERE SUPPORT
- IT?
- 5 message(s) total.
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- Category 17, Topic 7
- Message 1 Mon Nov 09, 1987
- DEB (Forwarded)
-
- Well, W.Hatch, the 4040 is an IEEE disk drive, and it is indeed very possible
- to use it with your 128. You will find that all of the Commodore IEEE series
- of peripherals were heavy duty and had pretty decent track records.
-
- There are two IEEE interfaces that I know of, the ELink, from Progressive
- Peripherals, which will not give you the speed of the drive, but will give you
- a very transparent operation...and QuickSilver 128 from Skyles Electric Works.
- The QuickSilver is the one I use, and is BLAZING fast...! It does require
- changing a ROM in your 128, and if you want to use CP/M you have to actuallly
- add a piggy back board and a switch to enable it. Other than that, tho, it
- has few other disadvantages.
-
- Do note that if you do decide to purchase and use a 4040 that they are only
- READ compatible with 1541 drives, not WRITE compatible. Writing on the 4040
- format by a 1541 will result in a *TRASHED* disk and bam. Conversly, writing
- on a 1541 format disk with a 4040 will *TRASH* it just as well. I presume the
- 4040 can read a single side of a 1571, but I've never tried it.
-
- I use the large 1 meg SFD drives with my QuickSilver and my 128, and both the
- amount of storage and their speed has spoiled me rotten...!
-
- *deb!*
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- Category 17, Topic 7
- Message 2 Thu Nov 12, 1987
- W.HATCH [Belgarion] (Forwarded)
-
- Thanx for the response. You mentioned the need for changing a ROM in the 128.
- Which ROM? I have the new upgrades, or is it something different? Do I use
- the same proceedure for a 64?
-
- I enjoy CP/M on the 128, so what piggyback board do I need to add? When you
- say *BLAZING* ast what do you mean? How does it compare to the 1571?
-
- Do you know of anyplace or anyone that has the schematics or service manuals
- for the drive? (BOY I do ask a lot of questions, huh?)
-
- Thanx for your help so far, it's <<GREATLY>> appreciated!
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- Category 17, Topic 7
- Message 3 Fri Nov 13, 1987
- DEB (Forwarded)
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- The ROM you have to replace comes WITH the QuickSilver. And when I say
- BLAZING fast, I mean it! <grin> The piggyback board for CP/M is also
- available <at an extra charge, of course> from Skyles. You should contact
- them for more info, I guess.
-
- With the exception of possibly burst mode program loads, the QuickSilver is
- FASTER for all other disk operations than a 1571. Especially for
- manipulations of data/SEQ files.
-
- Anything that uses Block Reads/Writes, for instance, is about twice to three
- TIMES faster than a 1571.
-
- At any rate, enjoy the drive, just make sure you have the 4040 checked out
- before you purchase it! <grin> Drive 0 likes to go out to lunch on those
- old puppies.
-
- *deb!*
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- Category 17, Topic 7
- Message 4 Sun Nov 15, 1987
- W.HATCH [Belgarion] (Forwarded)
-
- Thanx for the info. I'll get in touch with Skyles and see what's up. The
- drive was pretty expensive... all of $0.00!!! Couldn't go wrong!! I checked
- with the local Commodore technician and he didn't even know what a 4040 drive
- was. Said he couldn't get any schematics OR parts for it, so if it doesn't
- work, I don't know what I'll do with it.
-
- thanx again...
-
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- Category 17, Topic 7
- Message 5 Mon Nov 16, 1987
- DEB (Forwarded)
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- If its not working right, leave a mail message for LYLEG, I'm certain he can
- fix it! What a silly technician you have...declares it unfixable before he
- even sees it. <grin>
-
- *deb!*
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- Topic 31 Sat Oct 10, 1987
- TOUCHSTONE at 03:38 CDT
- Sub: 8050 drives
-
- A discussion on interfacing the 80 series drives onto newer CBM machines I.I.
- c-64 and 128
- 17 message(s) total.
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 1 Sat Oct 10, 1987
- TOUCHSTONE at 03:40 CDT
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- 0=000 I would like to find the best way to interfact tehse disk drives to
- a newer computer for BBS purposes.
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 2 Sat Oct 17, 1987
- S.LEWIS at 21:38 MDT
-
- Skyles IEEE-Flash, direct from Skyles for $99 or so, and add $10 for overnight
- UPS delivery!
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 3 Thu Oct 22, 1987
- MIKEM [- Mike -] at 18:41 PDT
-
- <shudder>
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 4 Mon Nov 09, 1987
- S.GUSTAFSON at 23:37 EST
-
- IEEE-Flash and Quicksilver 128 don't work so hot with BBS software that reads
- SEQ files. I posted a half-fix for one BBS prg in the BBS bulletin board.
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 5 Fri Nov 13, 1987
- DEB at 20:53 EST
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- I've been using a QuickSilver 128 <NOT the IEEE Flash> with SEQ files as long
- as I've had a 128 <which was a lonnnng time>, and they read and write SEQ
- files just perfectly! Thats not a problem with the interface, it must be a
- problem with the software, S.Gustafson. Are you using it in 128 mode or in 64
- Mode?! <I was never very happy with Any of Skyles' IEEE stuff in 64 mode>.
-
-
- Its worked flawlessly with ARC <64 mode>, InfoQuick <64 mode>, BobsTerm Pro
- 128, SuperScript 128, SuperBase 128, and a myriad of my own utilities which
- manipulate data files in 128 mode. Unicopy 128 works great, too.
-
- *deb!*
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 6 Sun Feb 21, 1988
- BILLYBEESKOW at 21:08 CST
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- I'M NOT REAL SURE THIS BELONGS HERE, BUT THE TOPIC IS 8050 DRIVES SO HERE
- GOES...
- A FRIEND OF MINE BOUGHT THE C128B SYSTEM FROM A MAJOR 'OUTLET'. IT CAME WITH
- AN 8050 DRIVE AND HE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING THE DISKETTES FORMATTED. I
- BROUGHT THE SYSTEM HOME WITH ME TO 'TOY' WITH AND I FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS
- CAREFULLY. UPON ENTERING THE '?DS$' COMMAND, AFTER GIVING THE 'NEW DISK'
- COMMAND, I RECEIVED THE LINE '21,DRIVE NOT READY,39,00,00'....OR SOMETHING TO
- THAT EFFECT. THE WRITE PROTECT NOTCHES ON THE DISKETTES ARE NOT COVERED. I
- WAS THINKING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANCE THAT THE L.E.D.'S OR THE
- PHOTOELECTRIC CELLS USED IN THE WRITE PROTECT NOTCH CHECK MIGHT BE DEFECTIVE,
- OR THAT THE ASSOCIATED CIRCUITRY MIGHT BE AT FAULT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT
- COULD PLEASE HELP ME? THANKS,
- BILL P.S.: PLEASE FORGIVE THE 'ROUGHNESS' OF THIS MESSAGE, I'M VERY
- UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SYSTEM.
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 7 Mon Feb 22, 1988
- DEB [*SysOp*] at 00:45 EST
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- Billy:
-
- Its a MUCH greater chance that the 8050 drive is enough out of alignment that
- it cannot format a disk. The IEEE drives came with an automatic disk speed
- checking routine which would not allow a disk to be formatted if the alignment
- or drive speed checking routine was not right on the nose.
-
- Take it to a service center and have it aligned...!
-
- *deb!* (Who has had numerous 8250's aligned...)
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 11 Sat Jul 16, 1988
- BILLYBEESKOW at 18:57 CDT
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- Hi! I'm back again.
-
- I pulled the B-128 and 8050 out of the 'junk room' and started up
- Superbase. It ran fine.... until I tried to format a disk, which is when it
- (Superbase) gave me this error.... "75,format speed error,01, 00,1"... So
- my question is, are the heads out of line, throwing off the speed, which in
- turns doesn't allow the format to take place, or is it just the speed that is
- off which is not allowing the disk to be formatted?
-
- Also, according to the manual, a Z80 or an 8088 micro-processor can be
- installed in the system allowing CP/M (Z80) or DOS (8088) to be run on the
- system. Is this true??? If so, I would like to '88 it and set up a BBS on
- it. Or is there a good BBS for the B-128?
- Thanks very much,
- Billy Beeskow
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 12 Sun Jul 17, 1988
- D.SCHMOLDT [Dave/SysOp] at 23:34 EDT
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- Billy,
- I'm far from being an expert on 8050s, but a speed format error message
- sounds to me like the drive speed is off, rather than heads out of alignment.
- If a drive is out of alignment, it can usually still format disks, it just
- might have trouble reading disks from other drives.
-
- I don't know anything about the 8088 microprocessor, as far as plug and go
- goes. I've heard of folks who have set up their B128 to run MS-DOS, but I
- think it was more involved than just popping in the 8088. I *think* there is
- a PC adaptor kit out for the B128.
-
- As far as I know, there is no BBS program for the B128. In fact, the last I
- heard there were very few term programs for it.
-
- Dave
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- Category 17, Topic 31
- Message 13 Sun Jul 17, 1988
- BILLYBEESKOW at 22:54 CDT
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- Dave,
- Thanks much for the info. As per my earlier message, I live pretty far from
- a repair shop, and I would like to do the repair myself. To adjust the speed
- of the drives, do I adjust the variable resistors located on the PCB above
- drive 0? Or is this another repair job that will have to be done by a repair
- shop?
-
- There was some major "hacking" done to the 8050 drive in the respect that
- wires are criss-crossing like they were soldered on at the last minute...
- upgrades or patch jobs for sure. Seeing as it came from a "clearing house",
- could the system be a "returned for repairs" item CBM got rid of???
-
- I've never had this much trouble from neither my C64 and 1541 nor my SX-64.
- Thanx for everyone's help.
- Billy
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- Message 14 Tue Jul 19, 1988
- D.SCHMOLDT [Dave/SysOp] at 02:41 EDT
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- Billy,
-
- I'm afraid tweaking the speed of your 8050 is out of my range. Though
- adjusting the variable resistors sounds logical. At this point, what have you
- got to loose, since it doesn't work anyway.
-
- Anyone else have a more specific answer?
-
- Dave
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- Message 15 Sun Jul 24, 1988
- AMFORD at 09:13 CDT
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-
- Cardinal Software has an alignment program for the 8050 and it would show
- you in a picture the potentiometer that needs adjusted and display on the
- screen the actual speed.
-
- I had a similar problem with my SFD 1001. With the progam and disk it was
- a very simple adjustment.
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- Message 16 Fri Aug 05, 1988
- BILLYBEESKOW at 23:32 CDT
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- Does anyone have the address/phone number for Cardinal Software???
-
- Thanx,
- Billy
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- Message 17 Wed Aug 10, 1988
- DO.RAE.MI at 00:00 EDT
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- Here it is Billy!
- Cardinal Software
- 14840 Build America Drive
- Woodbridge, Virginia 22191
- for info: 703/491-6494
- Order toll free 10-4 monday- Saturday 800/762-5645. The address & numbers
- are from a magazine that's one year old, so it might not be right. It should
- be enough to track them down eventually though. & it doesn't strike me as
- different from more recent ads I have seen.
- Will try to get more recent listing & post if it is different, but am not
- regular Genie lately--hardware & heat & yardwork.
- From Weed World, USA
- Ted
-
- PROTECT NOTCH CHECK MIGHT BE DEFECTIVE,
- OR THAT THE ASSOCIATED CIRCUITRY MIGHT BE AT FAULT. IS TH