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<Gaelyne> I declare the "Nick Rossi Talks About Novaterm 9.6" Conference now
open!
<Gaelyne> :-)
<Gaelyne> The format for this conference is informal, but please try to stay to
the topic at hand.
<Nick> How many folks here are using version 9.6 now?
<Gaelyne> I am!!
<Lurch> ME
<C128.LOU> Hi there, Nick
<Gaelyne> So is that two or three of us Novaterm 9.6'ers here?
<Nick> I figured there would be a number of people using the new version now,
so I thought this would be a good time to get feedback from people.
<Snogpitch> I'm a 9.5 user...
<Nick> And those still using the old version will see what they are missing.  :)
<Gaelyne> :-)
<Gaelyne> I did have comment I thought about recently....
<Snogpitch> Will there be official notice sent to registered users of Novaterm
about the upgrade?
<Gaelyne> But it's a User type fix, not something for the programmer to fix.
<Nick> I intended to do that, but I have been so wrapped up in things that I
haven't had a chance.  As they ask, I have been telling registered users that
they can get the upgrade for $5.00.
<Snogpitch> And to what address does it go to?
<Gaelyne> That's an amazing offer, Nick.  Very good price.
<Nick> Nick Rossi, 10002 Aurora Ave. N. #3353, Seattle, WA 98133
<Gaelyne> That was a MACRO  --- Wasn't it?
<Snogpitch> Writing the check, right now...
<Nick> No, I just typed that
<Gaelyne> Can we use Multiple macro files with Novaterm?
<Nick> Yes
<Nick> So, what issues have come up with version 9.6?
<Gaelyne> On the Fidonet echos, the capture buffer and how the text is stored
has been an issue.
** <B.LEOUTSACO1> is here.
<C128.LOU> Folks, I have to sign off.  :/   See ya!  Good luck with V9.6!!!
<Gaelyne> G'night Lous.
<QT> G'night Lou
<Nick> Bye Lou
<QT> Welcome B.LEOUTSACO
<B.LEOUTSACO1> Hello all!!!
<Gaelyne> Hello B.LEOUTSACO
<Nick> There is going to be a bug-fix release shortly.  Some of the problems
reported in the last month or so have been fixed.
<Nick> One of those problems was the way text was stored in the buffer in ANSI
mode...
<Harold> Howdy Brian.
<Gaelyne> Correct, Nick.
<Lurch> Ouch, I never thought about that.
<Nick> Uppercase characters were stored as 97-122 instead of 193-219, which
didn't look right when viewed in some editors.
<Nick> So now, it stores them correctly.  Also, the same fix means that you no
longer need ".opt ansi" at the start of script files.
<Gaelyne> That will be nice, Nick.
<Nick> There were some other minor problems... if you didn't encounter any of
them, you may not need to get the update.
<Gaelyne> For those arriving late, this RTC is a conference with Nick Rossi
about Novaterm 9.6  -- It's informal, but please keep to the topic.
<Gaelyne> Will you be mailing the update, Nick, or is it a patch program.
<Nick> Actually I am going to ask users to make a copy of their disk, then send
the original back for the update.
<Harold> Nick, have you made it so that we can change Ramlink partitions like
we can device numbers?
<Harold> I have tried using disk commands with 9.3, 9.4 and 9.5 with no success.
<Nick> The RAMLink partition number is the same as the drive number.
<Nick> Device 16,2 saves to partition #2 of my RAMlink.
<Harold> Ah, so that how you do it. Thanks. Now I can download GEOS files
directly to my GEOS work partition.
<Nick> Is this what you tried to do?
<Gaelyne> This also holds true for disk commands too, I think:   #16,2   to
change to drive #16 and partition #2.
<Nick> That's right.
<Harold> Nope. I tried to use the Jiffydos partition commands.
<Gaelyne> Hint of the Night:  Also useful when dissolving SFX files.
<Nick> To use 1581 subdirectories as save areas, you can attach a disk command
to execute when changing to a particular device.
<Gaelyne> Harold, do you have Novaterm 9.6?
<Harold> Not yet. I'm waiting for the bugs to shake out.
<Gaelyne> I shook it as hard as I could pre-release, Harold.  ;-)
<Harold> The same with the Super CPU. :)
<Gaelyne> One of the nice things about 9.6 is that you can set your disk
drives/partitions for:
<Nick> I have to say that this time there are far fewer bugs than with any
version in the past, mainly due to the long beta-testing.
** <Howie> is here.
<Gaelyne> Downloads, Uploads, the Buffer drive and for where Novaterm itself
resides.
<Lurch> I have my buffer going to a DACC on my RAMLink named novaterm, but when
I reset the computer, I lose everything.
<Harold> And extra money to buy it. :)
<Gaelyne> Hi Howie.  Welcome to the Novaterm 9.6 conference
<Howie> hiya Gaelyne!!
<Harold> You shouldn't be using DACC for RamLink. Use native.
<Nick> Gaelyne, have you had this problem with your RAMLink buffer?
<Gaelyne> No, Harold.  ... The DACC he is using is for a buffer.
<Gaelyne> No, I haven't, Nick.
<Harold> You're kidding.
<Nick> Harold, I told you you were missing out :)
<Gaelyne> Not at all, Harold.  :-)
<Harold> Then my Ramlink manual is too old. It states that DACC is supposed to
be used for gateway and GEOS.
<Nick> Lurch - I assume you mean that even though the power to the RAMLink is
not cut, you still lose the contents of the Novaterm buffer in that partition?
<Gaelyne> It's OLD, Harold.  Programmers like Nick Rossi and Craig Bruce have
made good use of the DACC partitions.
<Harold> What I thought.
<Lurch> I have only done it once...afraid to try it again...been copying it
before now.
<Lurch> Yes that is right, Nick.
<Gaelyne> What partition number is your DACC?
<Lurch> 3
<Gaelyne> Was it the first or second one created?  (Nick, does that matter?)
<Lurch> Novaterm is in 1.  1581 emu
<Nick> Try doing it again, just by loading in some test files, reset the
computer, and see if they are there when you load Novaterm again.  They should
be.
<Nick> The partition can be any number and any size and created in any order..
Novaterm just scans the partition table to find it.
<Lurch> OK Nick.  Yes, thats the way I understand it.
<Gaelyne> But it has to be named "novaterm", correct?
<Lurch> Or understood it :)
<Gaelyne> BTW, Harold, you can have more than one DACC partition with a
Ramlink.  I have one for Novaterm and one for GEOS.
<Nick> Oh yes, that is right.  The name must be "novaterm", in lowercase
(depending on whether you hit shift-C=!)
<Nick> Lurch + are you using it for both GEOS and Novaterm?
<Nick> GEOS will wipe out anything you put in with Novaterm.
<Harold> Right now, I'm using just one for GEOS. Waiting until I can buy some
of the $29 4 meg. SIMMS before I can expand further.
<Lurch> I thought the DACC in GEOS lost its files like I did.  NO, no GEOS,
Nick.
<Nick> Let me know how the test goes, and maybe we can track down the problem
then.
<Gaelyne> I've been using the REU as my buffer lately, but I'll go back to
using the DACC for awhile and see if anything has changed, Nick.
<Lurch> OK, let me go do a real quick check and brb.
** <Lurch> has left.
<Nick> I've been using the DACC without trouble.  Of course, I'm using the
bug-fix update. :)
<Gaelyne> I named my GEOS DACC so that ACE would also use it -- "rl-ram" I
think was the requirement for ACE.
<Nick> But I don't think that problem was there in the first release.
<Gaelyne> It's amazing what programmers can do with the Ramlink and DACC
facilities.
<Harold> And Commodore Business Machines had to up and die on us. :)
<Gaelyne> But our Commodores live on and live WELL!
<Nick> That's probably for the best anyhow.
** <Bud> is here.
<Howie> Hiya Bud
<Gaelyne> Hi Bud!   Welcome to the Novaterm 9.6 Conference!
<Bud> hey wuz up, how ya doing?
<Bud> Nova 9.6??
<Harold> Well, boys and girls, Uncle Harold has to get his beauty rest. See
y'all later.
<Bud> Nova is one of the best terms i have ever used for the c64
<Nick> Inefficient and incomptent companies should die.
<Gaelyne> Sure thing, Bud with Nick Rossi to give us the scoop on the latest
and greatest
<Nick> Hi Bud
<Howie> nite Harold
<Nick> Night Harold
<Gaelyne> G'night Harold.
<Bud> did Nova ever release the fax version of Nova?
<Nick> There's no fax module for Novaterm.
<Harold> rats...
<Bud> hmmmmm.... what kind of features for the new Nova?
<Gaelyne> What are some of Novaterm 9.6's features, Nick?
<Howie> did harold have a rat?
<Nick> Where should I start?
<Gaelyne> Zmodem!!
<Nick> Full Zmodem
<Bud> Nova has so much...
<Nick> upload, download, crash recovery
<Nick> Use of RAM expansion devices for the buffer
<Nick> REU, BBG/GEORam, RAMLink partition
<Nick> Use of the C128's 80-column mode if you run on a 128 in 64 mode
<Howie> What speed modems can be usded?
<Nick> What else did I do??
<Gaelyne> uuencoding and uudecoding
** <Lurch> is here.
<Gaelyne> ASCII printing (with or without linefeeds)
<Nick> Swiftlink, CommPort, HART cartridge support..
<Nick> An easy setup program..
<Nick> Lurch, what did you find out?
<Gaelyne> CMD device features ...
<Gaelyne> RTC clock support
<Bud> i give Nova 4 stars for being the best and easiest term to use...
<Lurch> I'm back and it worked ok this time, didn't lose a thing.  I tried hard
and soft resets just to make sure.  That is just turning off and on the
Computer, also
<Nick> Hmmm, I wonder what it was last time... glad that it worked...
<Lurch> It does have my curiosity aroused also, if it happens again, I will try
to be more awre of the circumstances.
<Gaelyne> Ymodem-g, X-modem-g
<Nick> That always helps track down a problem.
<Gaelyne> It also works great with the SuperCPU, too.  :-)
<Nick> Bud, you are using 9.5 now?
<Lurch> I thought I had a problem with the online clock but I think its a
hardware (read that my) problem since it does the same thing inQWKRR.
<Gaelyne> Oh, what kind of problem are you having?
<Nick> What is that?
** <Bud> has left.
<Lurch> My 80 col. clock is set from my rtc but it doesn't advance any.. for
instance, I signed back on here at 9:46 and it still says 9:46 up in my
upperright:/
<Gaelyne> The Novaterm clock advances every minute (or Mine does).  QWKRR's
advances by the second though... HMMM...
<Howie> Isn't there a fuse that controls the cia clock once it is set?
<Lurch> It does the same in QWKRR, thatis don't work, so I think its a hardware
problem
<Gaelyne> Do you have any problems with screenblanking programs working?  (Ie,
QWKRR, Browser, etc?   As you said it may be (and likely is) hardware related.
<Howie> I would check for a blown fuse
<Nick> Lurch - try this as a test: go to the Configuration menu, hit the right
arrow to get the second menu, go down to "Set time from", and select "CMD-RTC"
from the menu.
<Nick> I know it's already set for that, just select it again.
<Lurch> ok
<Lurch> Now I got 9:5 and sticking to it.
<Lurch> Huh lost an  there.
<Nick> It's not changing by the minute?
<Gaelyne> Wait a minute and see if it changes.
<Howie> If it is a fuse the clock will not run in geos also
<Nick> Where is the fuse on the board?
<Howie> That I do not know,  But ther should be 2 fusesw.  One controls the
time clock
<Gaelyne> Good point, Howie, but often if that fuse is blown other things don't
work either, like the User Port, for instance (or some things that use the User
Port).
<Lurch> Now I got 9:5Same question I was going to ask, thanks, Nick.
<Gaelyne> Do you have a flat or D model C128, Lurch?
<Lurch> d
<Nick> One other person reported a clock that was advancing much faster than
normal.  I've never been able to duplicate that.
<Gaelyne> I've changed the fuse Howies talking about, and it's not hard to do.
The fuse is available at Radio Shack.
<Gaelyne> It auto-detects PAL and NTSC models, doesn't it, Nick?
<Howie> Yes, it is a standard fuse
<Nick> Yep, but the CIA clock should function the same either way.
<Howie> not so Nick.  Folks who use geos have the same clock prob when a fuse
is blown
<Lurch> Oh, yeah I have changed some fuses in mine also, but at that time it
kept blowing, and sent it to CMD.  System was entirely down then though :/
<Gaelyne> Been there, done that, Lurch.  <sympathies>
<Howie> Yea, some prob could be causeing the fuse to blow, or it could just be
a fluke
** <terp (rudy)> is here.
<Gaelyne> Do you have future plans for Novaterm, Nick?
<Gaelyne> Hi rudy!
<Lurch> I still got some extras though.  I will definitely check it out
tomorrow.  Thanks Howie:)
<Howie> Hi Rudy
<terp (rudy)> Hi Gaeylne, Hi Howie
<Nick> I am churning on some ideas, but nothing I want to mention right now,
else I'll get asked about it constantly :)
<Gaelyne> Ok, Nick.  :-)
<Nick> hi rudy
<terp (rudy)> Hi Nick, Nick:. Thanks for sending me new 9.6
<Nick> you're welcome
<Nick> We were just talking about issues that have come up with that version.
<Lurch> I noticed that Nova.Text editor has the same memory in or out of
Novaterm.
<terp (rudy)> It really is So far so good
<Nick> Lurch - that's right, that was another change.
<Gaelyne> Another of Novaterm's features Nick forgot to mention was the ability
to translate to UNIX style files.
<Lurch> I think you should have a flashing message "switch to 0 column screen"
for those people, I wont mention any names , that don't read manuals :/
<Nick> Basically ASCII with only linefeeds at the end of each line.
<Lurch> Missed an  again, drat.
<terp (rudy)> I've been going through the docs to set up scripts. Any
suggestionsThanks
<Gaelyne> I wondered if anyone would ever suggest that.  ;-)
<Nick> You mean in 80-column mode?  There is one.
** <Greg> is here.
<Gaelyne> he means in 40 column mode
<Howie> Hiya Greg!
<Gaelyne> Hi Greg!  Welcome to the Novaterm 9.6 Conference!
<Nick> Oh, that isn't possible.. when you switch to the VDC 80-column screen,
you lose the VIC chip completelu
<Greg> hi gaelyne,nick,qt's buffer,snog,rudy,howie lurch
<Nick> hi greg
<Lurch> No when your in 40, thats right Gaelyne,  kinda tongue in cheek on my
part.
<terp (rudy)> Hi grH
<Gaelyne> :-)  Lurch.
<terp (rudy)>
<Gaelyne> Hi Rudy.
** <terp (rudy)> disconnected.
<Nick> Seems that a lot more people are trying scripts these days now that the
manual explains it a little better.
<Lurch> I remember when I first fired it up, boy was I upset.
<Howie> I think he refers to - just before switching - to say Switch to 80
columns now!"
<Gaelyne> Maybe a pause or key press to continue so dummies like me see it.  <G>
<Nick> OIC
<Gaelyne> Was it Rudy that asked about Scripts?
<Nick> He is gone
<Gaelyne> Bummer.
<Gaelyne> Could you toss out some script ideas/uses?
<Lurch> I had given up on scripts.  Might try it again now.
<Nick> Logging in is a good one...
<Nick> I have login scripts for every number I call.
<Nick> They can get more complicated, like downloading e-mail or new posts.
<Gaelyne> I would like to see a library of script files someday...  (for all
term programs)
<Howie> I have always found it helpful to FIRST buffer my logon, then print the
buffer, then write the script from the printed stuff
<Nick> Yeah, you have to get it exactly right.
<Gaelyne> Something where the scripts are commented and made generic but for
specific uses/and/or BBS's, services or ISP's.
<Lurch> Huh, I almost thought of that Howie ;)
<Howie> :)
<Lurch> That's a good idea, Gaelyne
<Gaelyne> Something where authors accept the scripts and then make them
available somehow.
<Nick> It'll be easy to do with GEnie, Delphi, etc. but ISP's are all very
different
<Gaelyne> That way Nick wouldn't have to do all the work for it, but people
could share.
<Greg> scripts aare the greatest thing when someone else makes them and they
work
<Gaelyne> I agree, Greg!!   <Big GRIN>
<Lurch> Aint it the truth.
<Howie> Yea!  I agree Greg.  Makes me feel like a programmer  :)
<Nick> Who would want to feel like that?
<Howie> LOL!
<Greg> ::ggiggle::
<Gaelyne> What does it feel like, Nick?   <G>
<Nick> It feels like I have less hair than I did a few years ago.
<Gaelyne> :-)
<Greg> I got that without being a programmer,it ain't fair
<Howie> you too?
<Lurch> Hair! Who's got hair?
<Gaelyne> I do.  ;-)
<Greg> and you don't even dye it eh?
<Nick> Oh no..
<Howie> Gaelyne, you're the only one
<Gaelyne> Nick, how does using Ymodem-g and the other -g protocols work??
<Nick> My mother even suggested I try Rogaine, even though it's only receded a
little bit.
<Greg> well have a good night
<Gaelyne> I only hassle the programmers, Howie.  ;-)
<Nick> night Greg
<Gaelyne> G'night, Greg.
<Greg> my wife is saying thaat and she wants me away from the computer,can't
understand why :)
<Howie> nite Greg
** <Greg> has left.
<Lurch> Yes, thats a good question on the ymodem protocols.
<Nick> You have to download to the buffer.
<Gaelyne> That's all?  I thought there was more to it than that.
<Nick> They just send the whole file all at once.
<Nick> If there's an error at any time, the transfer ends.
<Lurch> I hardly us them.  I have been seeing something about a Zedzap lately.
<Nick> They are very fast.
<Gaelyne> Neat!   BTW, what happens if the buffer fills when you're downloading
files? Does it stop and save the buffer, or abort the transfer?
<Nick> It aborts.
<Nick> The sender tolerates no interruptions :)
<Gaelyne> I'm the same way.  ;-)
<Howie> lol!
<Gaelyne> So the "save buffer when full" option is only for buffer capturing?
<Nick> Yep
<Gaelyne> Ta.  You saved a look up in the manual for me.
<Gaelyne> This was a recent Fidonet echo question, BTW.
<Nick> You know, last time I checked, I couldn't find a BBS in Seattle that
carried the CBM echo.^
<Gaelyne> You can always ask the sysop to carry it, Nick.
<Gaelyne> (The worst that can happen is they'll say "no", but most like to help
their users).
<Nick> I've asked a few, but have been ignored.
<Gaelyne> :-/
<Howie> bummer..
<Gaelyne> Greg Noggle is uploading Fidonet transcripts to Genie for me these
days - from what I am putting on my Web site.
<Nick> They're on your site?
<Gaelyne> That way more people can see the messages at least.
<Lurch> A question on streaming,  I seem to get it sometimes and then I don't.
It has always been at 2400 baud or 9600 when I would get it.
<Gaelyne> http://hal9000.net.au/~moranec/cbmfido.html
<Nick> With Zmodem.. it only happens when you download to the buffer.
<Gaelyne> Is there anyway to tell when streaming is taking place, Nick?
<Lurch> Thats what I have it setup for but some times I get 1024 blocks,
sometimes 512, sometimes streaming.
<Nick> In streaming mode, you'll still see the byte count update and a slight
pause while the data is checksummed and saved, it may look like block mode.
<Lurch> Line noise a factor?  Seems I would have some errors reported when I
did.
<Nick> As for 512 or 1024 byte blocks, the sending side sometimes changes the
block size.
<Gaelyne> I have a feeling that if I have seen it, I haven't recognised it as
such.
<Lurch> I would have the short pauses which Iwas assuming was streaming and
then I would get longer pauses in the same download.
<Nick> The sending side may also pause, depending on how much load is on the
system.
<Lurch> Gotta go, see ya later.  Thanks, Nick.
** <Lurch> has left.
<Nick> night Lurch
<Howie> Nite Lurch
<Gaelyne> That was quick!
<Howie> too quyick for me
<Gaelyne> Me too!
<Gaelyne> Both of you beat me.
<Gaelyne> Are you a 9.6 user, Howie?
<Howie> no, but I am considering it, as I fnd Dialogue getting loder without
support
<Nick> Does it no longer have support?
<Gaelyne> I must say, the support Nick puts into Novaterm is very commendable.
<Howie> Dialogue has not been upgraded in years.  Only one upgrade to fix a few
of the bugs
<Gaelyne> No, Nick, Gary Farmaner (sp) has left for greener pastures.
<Howie> and that upgrade was eons ago
<Gaelyne> There are a few user fixes for the Ansi emulation and Henry Sopko has
done a few extensions for it (screen blankers and a couple games to play while
waiting..
<Nick> Maybe that contributes to the increase in attention Novaterm is getting..
<Gaelyne> to get online, but that's about it.
<Howie> 9.6 has more feautures than Dialogue
<Gaelyne> I don't normally take sides, but what Howie said...
<Nick> Honestly, the response to Novaterm has steadily increased for the last
couple of years, ever since a low point in '94
<Howie> yes Nick.  9.6 looks good to both 64 and 128 users
<Nick> I have attributed it to the popularity of the Internet.
<Gaelyne> Of course you have now wrecked the Desterm vs Dialogue "Wars", Nick.
;-)
<Nick> :)
<Gaelyne> Someone had to.
<Howie> :)
<Nick> It's the response that has motivated me to keep going.  I seriously did
not expect it two years ago.  Back then I thought the show was about over.
<Gaelyne> They are ALL good programs, though.   Novaterm is unique in that
either a 64 or a 128 user can use it.
<Nick> And to think I have even been considering a 128 version.
<Howie> I think we are seeing both a renewed interest from old users, as well
as new users starting to use thier 64/128's
<Gaelyne> There are several people interested in that, Nick.
<Gaelyne> Mainly those who worry about their monitor switches.    (Agree,
Howie).
<Nick> I think a lot of people see it as a way to get on the Internet without
spending $1000 for a new system.
<Howie> absolutely.
<Gaelyne> :-)   Agreed.   And in some ways, if information is what you're
looking for, it can be one of the best ways too.
<Howie> heck, we should even be seeing these dedicated Wewb machines coming out
soon, prolly by Xmas
<Nick> Even with the hardware upgrades available it still manages to stay cost
effective compared with PC's.
<Gaelyne> When I use it for research, I am able to get what I need with less
distraction and more content.
<Howie> yup!  this waiting around for graphics is way oversold
<Gaelyne> Agreed.  Even a Ramlink/SuperCPU combo is far more cost effective
than buying a used PC.   And all the same programs work with it.
<Nick> Those web machines are going to be hellish compared to a computer.  Ever
tried to look at a 640x480 VGA display converted to a TV signal?
<Gaelyne> <Yuck>
<Howie> not only that.   they do not have storage devices...
<Nick> A lot of sites simply won't look very good.
<Howie> but it may be a hook to get poeple interested and then to buy a computer
<Gaelyne> I have seen a system that is similar to lynx, but lets you d/l and
view the pictures.  They aren't in-line, but as noted, that's not always
needed.
<Nick> I have to admit, I enjoy the multimedia stuff, I'm even getting some
video clips up on my site...
<Gaelyne> I noticed that.  And sounds too.   Which Nate Dannenburg has handled
for the Commodore.
<Nick> But it isn't always a necessity, and is used unnecessarily.
<Howie> I have only seen it on phone lines, and swhenever I see it htere are
long delays.
<Nick> Doing it with 14.4 is maddening, 28.8 is a must.
<Gaelyne> Very long delays.
<Howie> IF it ranfast then it would be great... but alas...
<Nick> I have an ISDN line that is used for work, at 64k the Internet starts to
get a lot easier to use.  :)
<Howie> oh, it is not the modem.  it is the slow INet server or flow
<Gaelyne> Try it from Australia sometime.  :-/  Even at 28.8k, the link speeds
are slow.
<Howie> That is what is needed!!  An ISDN in every home
<Nick> The Internet will be going through growing pains for some time.
<Nick> If they lifted the chains off the phone companies, it would happen a lot
faster than it has been.
<Gaelyne> Just as other formats for communications, Nick.
<Howie> gads yes!  new browsers seem to get issued every other day  :)
<Nick> The demand for the service is outstripping the ability to install the
infrastructure to handle it, at the moment...
<Howie> I lkie this idea to combine tele lines with cable tv flow
<Howie> tgele out and cable tv in
<Nick> I understand that Internet Phone now allows you to call any telephone
number
<Gaelyne> And the Commodore is holding up very well under the circumstances
too.  Three years ago the idea of some of the things we find as common place
today were
<Gaelyne> out of this world then.
<Gaelyne> I intend to use that to talk to my kids from Australia, Nick.
<Nick> There's just enough people to keep the Commodore up to snuff.
<Howie> oh bgoodness yes.  I havebeen using the INet since 86-87 and my first
Unix would only accept calls at 1200
<Gaelyne> And as Howie noted, our numbers are actually GROWING.
<Gaelyne> I've met people that were using Novaterm to connect to the Internet
years ago. Were you one of these, Howie?
<Nick> Of course.  We have a smaller percentage of the computer user "pie", but
the pie is growing so rapidly that the overall amount goes up.
<Howie> I started out with a 128, so tgended to stay in that mode til the last
few years.  Now run both equally
<Nick> It was when I got to college and on the Internet that I started to put
in the features that were needed to make it work
<Gaelyne> :-)   I find the use of 64 mode has increased starting with Novaterm
but continuing with the SuperCPU.
<Nick> About seven years ago
<Gaelyne> That was about the time frame some of these folks are from too.
<Howie> Then you haven't been programming all that long
<Howie> I mean relatively speaking...
<Nick> I started Novaterm around 1986
<Gaelyne> 10 years....  <phew!>
<Howie> oh!  I hadn't realized that.  But I have heard about Nova for years
<Gaelyne> OH.  I wanted to ask - what's the name of the cross assembler you're
using?
<Nick> I've been programming since 1981, just not on Commodores until 1985. :)
<Nick> I don't think it has a name...
<Nick> I found the source code for it a long time ago - written in C, and since
then I have added features to it as I need them.
<Gaelyne> Ah.  This was a question I get now and again, so was a good time to
ask.
<Howie> seems programmers like their own compilers
<Howie> Ed Bell  wrote his own too
<Gaelyne> Howie, Nick started Novaterm when he was 13years old.  (MANY eons
ago).
<Nick> What has happened over time is the cross-assembler and the source code
for Novaterm are so intertwined that one won't function well without the other
<Howie> oh!  Then you are very young  :)
<Gaelyne> Rod uses one called TASM.
<Nick> Uh huh
<Gaelyne> I can believe that, Nick.  :-)
<Howie> that didn't come out right
<Nick> It's always a relative term
<Gaelyne> (That the source code and cross assembler are inter-twined).
<Gaelyne> Yea, programming makes you old before your time.  ;-)
<Nick> Yet too young in others..
<Gaelyne> We Commodore users don't hold it against you.  :-)
<Howie> Nick, you are reaqlly to be commended for your support for us 64/128
users!
<Gaelyne> BRB -- need to get a caffiene refill.
<Nick> Thanks
<Nick> I think it's due to my obssessive nature
<Howie> can I ask a personal question, like what type work you do?
<Nick> Believe it or not, I'm programming now, even though that is not where I
plan to stay.
<Howie> oh, I thought alll us users were obsessive.  I know I am
<Nick> It's just so lucrative now with the way the computer industry is
exploding.
<Howie> well, that makes perfect sense.  But why would you consider a change?
<Howie> There will be a need for good programmers as ar ahead as I can see
<Nick> My first love is in film production.  But in order to do that on your
own terms, you need money.  I am using programming toward that end...
<Gaelyne> Were you aware that you aren't the only C= user involved in film
production, Nick?   Ismael Cordeiro has worked on award winning films - he
deals with sound.
<Howie> Interesting!  A member of my club writes film scripts.  (I know he
writes them, not sure if he actaully gets them made into movies)
<Nick> Yeah, I'm not content with just writing them, although that's half the
fun.
<Nick> I didn't know Ismael was in the biz...
<Gaelyne> Doug Cotton mentioned that CMD rec'd a script and had been asked for
permission to include the SuperCPU in the script.  :-)
<Gaelyne> He sure is.  A man of multiple talents/interests.  (Something I find
common to all Commodore users).
<Howie> The Underground Scot is also intersted in film
<Nick> Really?  A SuperCPU makes it into a script?
<Howie> A "must se" film
<Gaelyne> We'll see if it's ever used.  It was apparently a FOX production.
<Gaelyne> They (CMD) of course said "sure!!"   :-)
<Howie> NYU here in NYC uis supposed to have a good film school
<Gaelyne> I think one of Ismael's films was "The Kiss of the Spider Woman".
<Nick> I am currently working on a portion of my home page to show some stuff
from a public access show I had a couple of years ago.  That's what the video
clips are for..
<Nick> He is a sound mixer?
<Gaelyne> I remember the Novaterm Opening screens.
<Howie> oh!  that should be interesting!  What is the address?\
** <Steve> is here.
<Nick> http://www.eskimo.com/~voyager/
<Howie> Hi Steve
<Steve> Hi all :)
<Gaelyne> I don't think he's the mixer.  You can look him up on the Internet
movie data base and see his credits and such.
<Gaelyne> Hi Steve!
<Nick> It'll be underneath that.  I am going to be doing some video captures
tonight, as a matter of fact...
<Nick> hi steve
<Howie> Thankks!  I'll stop by!
<Steve> Thanks, He sent a nice email :)
<Gaelyne> :-)
<Gaelyne> What type of video captures, Nick?
<Gaelyne> (single frame, or full motion)
<Nick> Just digitizing a few of the videos we made back then, to put them on
the net as AVI files.
<Nick> It'll take a few tries to balance file size with picture and sound
quality.
<Gaelyne> Now that would be a feat - a Commodore AVI viewer.
<Howie> You do not want much Gaelyne
<Nick> I hope some of the demo writers pick up a SuperCPU and attempt something
like that.
<Howie> yup!  that would be the way
<Gaelyne> Rod's buying capture equipment and I'm busy working on thinking up
ways to enhance my use of the C= with it (or it's results) somehow.
<Gaelyne> His toy, but I wanna play, too.  ;-)
<Howie> hey!  I gotta take a shower
<Gaelyne> Can we watch, Howie??   ;-)
<Howie> Really found tonite helpful and informative!!
<Nick> Thanks
<Howie> sure Gaelyne! :)
<Gaelyne> Glad you found it good, Howie.  :-)
<Howie> Nite all!
<Nick> Should we call it a night?
<Gaelyne> G'night Howie.
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<Nick> night howie
<Gaelyne> Steve, are you a Novaterm 9.6 user, by chance?
<Steve> Sorry, Dialogue 128 :(
<Gaelyne> No worries, we won't kick you out for it.  ;-)
<Steve> Does Novaterm now have Zmodem ?
<Nick> Yes, Zmodem upload and download, and crash recovery.
<Gaelyne> (And rename/replace too)
<Steve> I noticed that the Genie internet workspace only supports Zmodem..
<Steve> is there any way around this ?
<Gaelyne> Oh??   I thought it had Xmodem also.
<Steve> Maby I missed it.
<Gaelyne> I haven't checked it for awhile, and not for that specifically.  I'll
have to take a look.
<Steve> Can I get the new version of Nova on disk ?
<Gaelyne> Sure can....
<Nick> Yep, it's $29.95 + $1.50 shipping from 10002 Aurora Ave. N. #3353,
Seattle, WA 98133
<Steve> Thanks, I'll grab this screen.
<Nick> Oh yeah, addressed to Nick Rossi.
<Gaelyne> You can even get it on a 1581 disk, which is neat, too.
<Gaelyne> I think the conference is winding down....
<Nick> I was glad to see that people using the new version were able to come.
<Gaelyne> Thanks for coming and chatting tonight, Nick.  I think a lot of
people will gain some new insight into both Novaterm, and it's programmer.
<Steve> Well I gotta check out ..gettin late.
<Nick> No problem.
<Gaelyne> Thanks for coming, Steve.
<Nick> night steve
<Steve> Sorry I was late.
<Steve> Night all :)
<Gaelyne> Night Steve
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<Nick> I guess that's about it... the bug-fix update will be along soon.
<Gaelyne> How will you let users know about the update?
<Nick> I'll post it...
<Gaelyne> I think we ran out of steam!   :-)
<Nick> Well, I guess this is good night!
<Gaelyne> Thanks for coming, Nick!   :-)   G'night!
<Nick> Thanks again for coming.
<Snogpitch> Well, my check will be off in the mail tommorrow.
<Nick> Thanks!
<Gaelyne> :-)
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