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1 ?rea all dat>900601 cat1-40 nor ************ Topic 29 Mon Jan 08, 1990 BARRY.B at 00:16 EST Sub: gif Looking for GIF file viewer 7 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 1, Topic 29 Message 5 Fri Jun 01, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 01:13 EDT There is now a file in library 23 called GIFFY to display GIF files on the C64. It is file number 7932. ------------ Category 1, Topic 29 Message 6 Thu Jun 07, 1990 M.MURRAY11 at 18:51 CDT Hi! The gif viewer in the file section is fun and quick! I have a question though... Does anyone have or know of a similar viewer for the 128 in 128 mode??? If so, plz let me know or upload it. Thanks a million!!! ------------ Category 1, Topic 29 Message 7 Thu Jun 07, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 22:48 EDT There are rumors of one on FIDO, but I haven't personally seen it. I would think someone is working on one, as popular as these GIF files are getting. ------------ ************ Topic 53 Sun Jun 03, 1990 CALC-DK at 18:53 PDT Sub: Maverick for the 1581? Can I get the Maverick copy program to run from the 1581? I can use the new V5 version and copy it to the 1581 but it wont run. Any ideas how I can be helped.? :) 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 1, Topic 53 Message 1 Mon Jun 04, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 02:03 EDT This is *kind of* a copout, but it might be a good idea to call the company who made it and aske them. I forget their name, but they did it in-house if I remember correctly, and they may be better able to answer that than anyone else. It is a shame that more support isn't given to the 1581. Maybe in the future.... >> sigh << I have one, but I write most of the stuff I use and don't run into this problem often. ------------ Category 1, Topic 53 Message 2 Mon Jun 04, 1990 CALC-DK at 12:08 PDT Thanks.. I thought of contacting the company, and also thought there may be an answer here on the network. Thanks..:) Doug ------------ Category 1, Topic 53 Message 3 Sat Jun 09, 1990 B.MILLS8 at 01:14 PDT Unfortunately, a few bugs slipped by in beta-testing Maverick V5. They are as follows: 1) The 1581 fast loader (file "FL81!") is trashed. Replace it with "FLNO!" until you get your original replaced. 2) the "Quick File Copier" will, in some cases, falsely detect Ram Expansion and attempt to use it. 3) the GEOS parameter menu crashes but can be fixed easily by the user: a) boot the UPGRADES disk b) insert side 2 of the Maverick master disk and hit <RESTORE> (make sure you do this on a copy!) c) select "GEOS PARM MENU" and HOLD DOWN the <RETURN> key to enter the configuration edit screen. d) Press "E" to edit and hit <RETURN> until the cursor is sitting in the first EMPTY "load file" slot. e) enter the file name "MAVTSL", press <RETURN> until the cursor disappears (i.e. "edit" mode is terminated) then press "S" to re-save the boot file. That will take care of that problem. 4) "GEOBOOT 128" is totally trashed and must be replaced by sending in your master disk to SSI. Sorry about the production bugs: our duplicating machine was slowly going down the tubes without informing us. Bob Mills,programmer of MAVERICK, S.S.I. ------------ Category 1, Topic 53 Message 4 Sun Jun 10, 1990 CALC-DK at 22:07 PDT Thanks Bob.. I learned what you said when i called vancouver.,wa i am sending in the v5 maverick to get it fixed. I do have the program om the 1581, but with some bugs.:) ------------ ************ Topic 54 Sun Jun 10, 1990 CALC-DK at 22:01 PDT Sub: 128D question Iuse this 128D, and when i use my other drives with it., such as 1581, I wish i can change the device on the 128d, but there is no switch. I cant do all that i want with it staying as an 8. can anyone help me? 8 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 1 Sun Jun 10, 1990 CALC-DK at 22:03 PDT I wish i could have it set up like the older 128s. A dealer in town said i will have to get it changed internally.. Well....? ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 2 Mon Jun 11, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 02:29 EDT I don't use a 128D, but doesn't the 1571 in it use the same software method of changing device numbers as is available on the regular 1571. I don't recall the command, but it is something like: OPEN 15,DRIVE#,15,"U0>NEW#" Where NEW# is the number you want the drive to be. I'll dig around in my 1571 manual for the exact command when I find it, but you may be able to find exactly the command you need in your manual. It is not as good a solution as the dip switches, but it is something... ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 3 Mon Jun 11, 1990 WC.COLEMAN [*Sysop*] at 13:33 EDT You can install a switch if you are even fairly good with a soldering iron. It's just a few wires. I've had a switch on mine for the longest time. If you want more info give a yell. -WC ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 4 Mon Jun 11, 1990 C128-BILL at 17:59 EDT Yelling... It's a common question, Bill. I don't have a schematic for the 128-D's drive. Are the solder points for the two switches easy to find? (assuming that they are similar to the 41 pads) ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 5 Mon Jun 11, 1990 CALC-DK at 17:14 PDT Well....WC, I can use that info to wire in a switch. can you give it in detail? no one here knows of such a thing. Thanks:) Doug ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 6 Mon Jun 11, 1990 WC.COLEMAN [*Sysop*] at 21:41 EDT OK, here's the info. One disclaimer: I'm babysitting tonight so I'm not about to take my computer apart! I can't give you the exact position of the pads but they are not hard to find. 1) Put a scrap disk (or the cardboard insert that came with the computer) into the drive so you won't bounce the heads to death. 2) Take the case off the computer. There are screws in the back. The cover slides back and lifts up. 3) Remove the drive mechanics. It's only held in by a few screws. You'll also have to remove the handle. It just pulls off. Don't disconnect any wires, once you get it loose simply flip it to the side. 4) The drive electronics are on the motherboard directly under the drive mechanics. Look for the two pads in the center of this area. They look like two small half-circles with a small bridge in the center. If you trace each pad you will see that one side goes to ground and the other back to one of the VIA's (6522's) pin 15 or 16 (depending on which pad). In fact if you can't find the pads but you can locate the VIA (there are 2) trace those pins back and you'll find the pads. 5) Now take a sharp knife or razor and cut the bridge that connects the two halfs of each pad. 6) Next cut 4 pieces of hookup wire about 18'' long. Solder one end of each wire to each half of the pads. Make sure you don't solder across the halves. 7) For switches you can use two micro toggles (a' la Radio Shack) or slide switches. I used a PCB micro-switch (a little blue thingy with four slide switches on it. 8) For each switch solder the pair of wires from one pad to each side of the switch (don't cross the wires!). 9) Now drill a hole in the computer in a convienient spot (mine's mounted just below and to the right of the power light) and mount the switches. 10) Put 'er back together and try it out! ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 7 Tue Jun 12, 1990 C128-BILL at 16:55 EDT Thanx, Bill. It's really just like the switch instalation for the 41! One thing that helped me we to clean and pre-tin the pads for easier soldering. I used a pencil eraser for the pad cleaning. ------------ Category 1, Topic 54 Message 8 Tue Jun 12, 1990 CALC-DK at 21:32 PDT Thanks for all the help:) For sure no one in this area had a concrete answer to what I asked. I surely do appreciate the friendly and information-giving people here.. kokoro kara fukaku kansha shimasu. I appreciate it from my heart.:) Doug ------------ ************ Topic 11 Mon Feb 26, 1990 JENSUTTON at 18:11 CST Sub: Printer driver needed for BASIC 8 I need help in finding a printer driver for my Star NX-10C. 7 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 5, Topic 11 Message 5 Sat Jun 09, 1990 JBEE at 05:52 EDT LQ500 printer won't work with the default Basic 8 drivers either. But, I just got my hands on a couple of Basic 8 24 pin drivers adapted to work on the LQ- 2500 and I will upload them in a couple of days. JBEE (: ------------ Category 5, Topic 11 Message 6 Mon Jun 11, 1990 JENSUTTON at 23:22 CDT Too late! I have already uploaded the printer driver for the LQ2500 and hopefully they will give me the credit for uploading it. I have uploaded the 24-pin version and there is an 8-pin version for the same printer. The person that uploaded it to another network is called Tellus. The driver should work with all LQ models made by Epson. I have the LQ510 and the Xetec Gold interface, transparent mode, and the pictures come out great! ------------ Category 5, Topic 11 Message 7 Tue Jun 12, 1990 C128-BILL at 16:55 EDT Neat, Jen! The Panasonic 1124 has the LQ2500 mode! Thanx. ------------ ************ Topic 16 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:33 PDT Sub: SID Symphony Stereo Cartridge Thought you-all out there might like a little info on our new-design SID Symphony Stereo Cartridge. 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 16 Message 1 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:37 PDT We have just started shipping our new-design SID Symphony Stereo Cartridge. This new cart is batteryless (the original required a 9-volt battery) and also has new circuitry to help protect the sensitive SID chip from static damage and SCR lockup. The new design supercedes the old design -- we are no longer selling the battery-powered model. The price remains the same: $34.95. F If anyone is interested, I would be happy to upload our official promo for the cartridge, which includes an order form. Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ ************ Topic 17 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:38 PDT Sub: The Enhanced Sidplayer A little info on Compute!'s Music System for the Commodore 128 & 64: The Enhanced Sidplayer, by Craig Chamberlain... (it's a 274-page book plus two- sided disk) 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 17 Message 1 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:42 PDT The Enhanced Sidplayer may be the best music package ever created for The C- 64/128. Due to overwhelming requests from purchasers of our SID Symphony Stereo Cartridge, we began selling the book a few months ago (VERY few bookstores still carry it). Retail price is $24.95. Our price is $22.95 plus $2.40 for First If anyone is interested, I can upload our official promo. Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ ************ Topic 18 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:46 PDT Sub: Stereo Editor v1.0 A little info on Stereo Editor v1.0, a perfect companion to The Enhanced Sidplayer... 3 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 6, Topic 18 Message 1 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:51 PDT I haven't been in the Flagship area long, so I may be missing something, but I wasn't able to locate a copy of Stereo Editor v1.0 in the libraries. Have you- all heard of it? It is without a doubt one of the finest pieces of PD software ever created for the C-64. The author, Robert Stoerrle, picked up where Craig Chamberlain left off with The Enhanced Sidplayer. Stereo Editor allows you to compose for up to six voices at a time and has a ton of other features, including MIDI support. Stere Editor is completely compatible with all the Enhanced Sidplayer commands. Because Robert wanted Craig to receive his due on the Enhanced Sidplayer (and to avoid being sued by Compute! ;-), you MUST own a copy of the Enhanced Sidplayer to use Stereo Editor -- it requires a file from the E.S. disk in order to operate. If anyone is interested in the Stereo Editor, I would be happy to upload it to the libraries. Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ Category 6, Topic 18 Message 2 Sat Jun 09, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 22:35 EDT Please do Kent! and any text files you have about the editors and use of them. I am definitely interested. ------------ Category 6, Topic 18 Message 3 Sun Jun 10, 1990 DR.EVIL at 19:51 PDT Ok! I just uploaded "stereo.arc". I assume it will appear in the libraries in a few days... ------------ ************ Topic 14 Fri Dec 19, 1986 MIKESHING at 18:55 EST Sub: terminal program that emulates vt100 I am looking for a terminal pro- gram that emulates the vt100. Thanks!! Mike S. MIKESHING 28 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 28 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:15 PDT Hi all-- We have spent a lot of time testing and working with various authors on VT-100 emulation. At this point, C-64/128 Kermit v2.2 is the only one which really does the job for the C-64. There are others that have partial implementations, but they are often buggy. (Note: Kermit doesn't do soft scrolling or double high/wide...) For the C-128, C-64/128 Kermit v2.2 does fine (it actually runs in C-64 mode but can use the 128's 80-column screen). Desterm v1.02 is also very dgood, as is CBM's VT-100/128 v2.1. All the others we have worked with have some problems. (Note: VT-100/128 does not emulate the VT-100's VT-52 mode.) If anyone is interested in testing VT-100 emulators on their own, there is a PD program called VT-Test, written in C, that we use. I could probably upload it here is anyone is interested. It is really a torture test and exposes bugs in what look to be bullet-proof programs... It can be compiled on most any system and works great on any Unix box. Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs C-64/128 Kermit distributors Makers of the SwiftLink-232 and SID Symphony Stereo cartridges ------------ ************ Topic 17 Date: Thu Dec 19, 1985 DEB [*Sysop/deb!*] at 15:04 EST Sub: 2400 baud and UartART 2400 baud on a C-64...?! 21 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 17 Message 21 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:21 PDT Hi-- Just thought I'd add a short note here... our SwiftLink-232 ACIA cartridge will be shipping in about 2 weeks... are any of the other carts mentioned in this thread available commercially? I have heard rumors but no substantiation. Cheers, Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ ************ Topic 27 Wed May 02, 1990 WC.COLEMAN [*Sysop*] at 03:35 EDT Sub: NEW!!! UART Cartridge for the 64/128! Introducing Swiftlink-232, a brand new UART cartridge by Dr. Evil Labratories. 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 27 Message 2 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:25 PDT Hi! Thanks, Bill, for posting our promo. Just wanted to let you-all out there know that we now have an official presence on GEnie. Our SwiftLink cart will be shipping in about 2 weeks. Several people who frequent GEnie have lalready placed orders -- thanks, folks! If anyone has questions about the cartridge or anything related to it, feel free to post here. Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ ************ Topic 28 Mon May 21, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 18:39 EDT Sub: Making a Null Modem -=> How <=- With the new UART cartridges and the promise of obscene transfer speeds using null modems, I would like to get some information on putting one of these things together. Any one have the information??? 13 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 28 Message 13 Sat Jun 02, 1990 R.RANDALL5 [Zeroy] at 00:51 EDT I told you this might get sticky. Properly, 4 & 5 should be crossed. However, some devices don't use 4 & 5 while others depend on them. PC serial ports usually want to see pin 5 high. If a the attached device (say, a Commodore) doesn't put pin 4 high, then the PC will refuse to send to it. Therefore, we can fool them both by looping back their OWN pin 4 to their own pin 5. Pin 8 is Carrier Detect. Again, some terminal programs don't pay any attention to CD. Some modems will hold pin 8 high all the time. Some modems hold pin 8 high ONLY if it is properly synched with another modem's carrier. My C=64's serial port seems to ignore most of this stuff. The question then remains, what are you hooking it to, and what does it expect to see? ------------ ************ Topic 5 Fri Jul 28, 1989 E.COOK2 [E.cook2] at 01:55 CDT Sub: pet 8032 I need information on where I can get hardware for the Pet 8032 computer? 7 message(s) total. ************ Topic 47 Fri Jun 01, 1990 R.BURKE4 [Ry] at 00:03 EDT Sub: 4022 Prnter, PPC 640 A friend has one and wishes to sell it as well as find an IBM cartridge for an Okimate printer 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 11, Topic 47 Message 1 Fri Jun 01, 1990 R.BURKE4 [Ry] at 00:04 EDT A friend of mine has a 4022 printer which includes the IEEE interface and no longer has need for it. He would be interested in selling it and is looking for best offer. (Just between us, he's not too picky about price!) Also, he is interested in finding an IBM cartridge for an "Okimate" printer if anyone has one or knows where one can be found...? Presently he is using an Amstrad PPC 640 and needs a CGA monitor for it as well as the hard drive which mates to it; I understand they are hard to find as they are new to America. If you can help Randy out with theese matters please contact me via Email or the IBM RT as that is my "stomping ground." n ying to help out a friend who owns some Commodore equipment. If you have questions feel free to ask and I'll get back to you; but, don't expect too quick a reply in that I will half to contact him. I don't know anything about Commodore equipment. Thanks to anyone who can help. ------------ ************ Topic 48 Sat Jun 09, 1990 R.M.DAVIS at 17:01 PDT Sub: Hardware For Sale C-128 hardware for sale 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 11, Topic 48 Message 1 Sat Jun 09, 1990 R.M.DAVIS at 17:03 PDT C-128 cpu - 1750 reu - 1670 modem - m3 mouse - 2 1571 drives - all or part - BEST OFFER!!!!!!! ------------ ************ Topic 6 Tue Apr 25, 1989 HORO [-SysOp-] (Forwarded) Sub: General Discussion: Superbase 128 General discussion of the Superbase 128 database system by Precision Software, Ltd. 6 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 6 Message 6 Mon Jun 11, 1990 JENSUTTON at 23:28 CDT I bought Superbase 128 a few days ago and it had the warrenty card with the Progressive Perphials address on it. Will I still get the help I need? The version number I have says "2.07". Is v3.0 the only one that allows you to use another disk drive for your data disk? ------------ ************ Topic 22 Wed Jun 06, 1990 S.ORTIZ at 04:44 EDT Sub: A 128 .GIF Viewer I've been hearing rumors... 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 22 Message 1 Wed Jun 06, 1990 S.ORTIZ at 04:48 EDT I've been hearing rumors of a gif viewer for our 128's. Has anyone else read about this, or heard about it? I think it would be kinda nifty to look at these works of art the way they were intended, in 80 column color. How hard would it be to write something that would take advantage of BASIC 8's expanded colors (like in Spectrum 128). Some sort of dithering technique so we could get all kinds of colors... I guess I'm only dreaming, but consider it a challenge! Just something I'd really like to see. ------------ ************ Topic 24 Wed Jun 06, 1990 CALC-SB at 21:32 EDT Sub: C compiler wanted for 128 6 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 1 Wed Jun 06, 1990 CALC-SB at 21:33 EDT I am taking a course in C. Is there a 128 compiler? or do I have to use 64 mode? ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 2 Wed Jun 06, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 23:12 EDT Abacus sells one, and I believe it comes with version for the C128 and/or the C64. I have used it, and it is ok. I'm not heavily into C, but this one includes a facility to either make your progs executable *only* from within the C editor, or as standalone progs. I have the C64 version and the manual covers both versions. Abacus products, in my experience, have always proven to be quality stuff. BTW, Spinnaker sells one, or used to. I don't know if they are still in business or not. One is called Super C and the other is Power C and I can't remember who made which. ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 3 Thu Jun 07, 1990 WC.COLEMAN [*Sysop*] at 14:35 EDT The Spinnaker version (Power C) is much superior to the Abacus version (C Power). RScards was written with Power C. It has some quirks but nothing that is too severe. Unforunatly they no longer make it! You may still be able to find it in software catalogs or your local software shop. You might also try writing to: Better Working Software One Kendall Square Cambridge, MA 02139 ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 4 Thu Jun 07, 1990 ED.BELL [* sysop *] at 22:49 EDT This is the kind of situation that pirates use to justify their activity. It is *extremely* unfortunate that good programs drop from the market like this. ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 5 Sat Jun 09, 1990 CALC-SB at 18:35 EDT Thanks, I found Super c (128) in the mall here. My local store did not have any :( ------------ Category 14, Topic 24 Message 6 Sun Jun 10, 1990 WC.COLEMAN [*Sysop*] at 16:33 EDT Super C has some problems (huge program files, slow execution, etc) but it will work in a pinch. -WC ------------ ************ Topic 25 Mon Jun 11, 1990 JENSUTTON at 23:53 CDT Sub: LQ printers and PaperClip III Quirk about using a 24-pin printer with PaperClip III 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 25 Message 1 Tue Jun 12, 1990 JENSUTTON at 00:04 CDT I have a Epson LQ510 and I have found some quirks when using it with PaperClip III. Here they are: 1. left and right margins MUST be set for 10 and 70. Any other will produce unexpected results. 2. number of lines per page must be set at 52. If you keep the default of 56, then you will have too many lines and won't have the 1 inch margin at bottom of page. 3. If you have a reset button on your printer interface, press it after each printout. If you don't, then the printer will not print the correct pitches. One last thing, this is not a quirk, but something you might find interesting. If you use the letter quality printout, you can override the Roman printout by selecting the San Serif or if you have the font cartridge installed, one of the available fonts. I don't know if this will have any effect if you go back to draft by software control. If you have the short-tear off feature active, IT WILL work with PC III. ------------ ************ Topic 50 Thu Mar 12, 1987 T.HOYT at 19:39 PST Sub: SUPERBASE 128 QUESTIONS I have some SUPERBASE questions, and wonder if anyone can help. I will appreciate any help. thanks. 20 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 14, Topic 50 Message 20 Mon Jun 11, 1990 JENSUTTON at 23:42 CDT Briwall has the Superbase The Book for $15. I was wondering, can Superbase access a hard drive? If so, what version of SB do you need? I have v2.07 and would like to upgrade to v3.0. Is SB a relational database or is each file independent and you have to enter same data more than once into a database file? ------------ ************ Topic 7 Sun Apr 09, 1989 D.SAUKERSON at 00:00 CDT Sub: Dialog 128 Have you tried it yet? 21 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 15, Topic 7 Message 21 Sun Jun 03, 1990 W.ROBERSON at 20:46 EDT For those looking for a place to purchase Dialogue 128 There is a new address to obtain Dialogue 128. Actually two addresses, one in the US, and the other in Canada. Shining Star Software Box 638 1102 Kensington Ave. Buffalo, NY 14215 or Shining Star Software #1205 - 1640 Bayview Ave. Toronto, Ont. M4G 4E9 Dialogue 128 is currently at version 2.0c, with work in progress on version 3.0. I plan to start work on a script for use here on GEnie. If you have anything you would like to see a script do, send me mail or leave messages here. If you will tell me the command you currently use, I will have a better understanding of what you want. 8) Bill 8) ------------ ************ Topic 55 Tue Sep 27, 1988 L.RUPPERT (Forwarded) Sub: 9600 baud for c-128 8 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 15, Topic 55 Message 8 Sat Jun 09, 1990 DR.EVIL at 14:31 PDT Matt Desmond's Desterm 128 v2.0 supports our new high-speed serial cart, SwiftLink-232. Between an Amiga and a C-128 (or a Mac and a C-128), we have been able to get reliable 38.4 Kb (38,400 bps)... which is pretty darn fast! This was to the screen (streaming text) as well as file transfers (X-modem, etc.). Amazing, eh? Kent Sullivan Dr. Evil Labs ------------ ************ Topic 10 Thu Jun 14, 1990 K.CARROLL1 at 07:13 CDT Sub: What is the best interleave? Can someone at CMD elaborate on the setting of the interleave? 1 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 21, Topic 10 Message 1 Thu Jun 14, 1990 K.CARROLL1 at 07:22 CDT I have a C= 64c w/ 2 1541-II's and Jiffy installed in the 64 and one of the drives. Will be getting Jiffy for the other drive ASAP. Can someone give some help on the best interleave for this setup? I have tried figures in the 5 to 12 range and can't seem to nail it down. Do the numbers that the manual mentions compare equally to the numbers that are mentioned in Maverick in reference to Skew? I believe thier refering to the same thing. And one last thing. I have Jiffy ver. 6.01. Is this the most current? If not, how much will it cost me to upgrade? I purchased Jiffy in late April of this year, 1990. Thanks for the listen. << ElvesBrew >> ------------