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- Topic 4 Thu Dec 31, 1992
- AMFORD (Forwarded)
- Sub: MSD Repairs
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- Hopefully some forth coming hints on repairing MSD Dual drives
- 8 message(s) total.
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 1 Thu Dec 31, 1992
- AMFORD (Forwarded)
-
- I have an MSD Dual Drive with the Chip Level Designs Mass Duplicator and
- Autocopy chips installed. The chips used to allow the MSD to act as a
- standalone disk duplicator (no computer needed!), but the MSD no longer starts
- up by itself. The MSD does still quickly dup disks, but a computer has to be
- hooked up to open the drive channel and give the copy command.
- Any hints on fixes?
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 2 Thu Dec 31, 1992
- C128.JBEE (Forwarded)
-
- MSD Repairs the cheap way
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- Also see the MSD SD1 to MSD-SD2 conversion file in Library #1!
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- Okay, the first and most important thing to remember is your drive is
- very old and parts are not easily available and Earl will be charging
- you serious money for your mistakes ;)
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- When your drive no longer boots from the autocopy roms the most
- likely cause is the transformer is about to go. Since this part is
- hard (almost impossible) to find and expensive, we will go the cheap
- route first.
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- Take the serial cable out of the disk drives and now try the autocopy
- roms!
-
- Still doesn't work?
-
- Let us start by assuming your drive needs to be cleaned. First get a
- SINGLE sided cleaner and throughly clean both drives. Two times. Don't
- do it any more times than this or you will scratch the head or wear out
- the top felt pressure pad. If the heads are that dirty it is time for
- Q-tips and cleaning fluid. Since most people will destroy a good drive
- by cleaning it, pressing too hard, etc etc we will skip this last suggestion
- entirely. Don't Q-tip it.
-
- Now using a disk with a write protect notch made of electrical tape
- try booting the drive. Don't use a disk flipped upside down, it
- drags on the drive sometimes and the MSD will not boot properly.
- Also, some write protect notches are not opaque enough, that is why
- I said electrical tape. Also the cheap ones you get today will fall
- off sooner or later inside the drive tomorrow.
- Boot the MSD with the disks inside and the latches open.
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- Darn, still didn't work.
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- Okay, get a flashlight and look inside the drive. Do you see any
- write protect tabs or lint hanging around? No, give it a blast of
- air or gentle blowing without the spit, anyways.
-
- The on/off switches are usually the sealed type so we won't bother with
- that.
-
- Try it again. No luck.
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- Okay, maybe just the switch is bad since it has been flipped hundreds or
- thousands of times over the last eight years.
-
- With the main power switch on and the MSD the first thing plugged into
- the power strip with the other equipment off and no serial cable attached
- "smartly" flick that switch on. You just get the green light with no
- flashing or just the red drive lights. Try again, this time a bit more
- violently. Still doesn't work. Do it again a couple of times but a bit
- faster, remember though, the point is not to burn the drive up or to
- blow the fuse. It works! Don't turn it off! Turn off the power strip.
- Wait a GOOD minute. Turn the power strip on. Does the drive boot
- nicely? If so, you need a switch from Earl. You won't find one
- locally, I know, I have tried before.
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- Still doesn't work?
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- Let us assume your problem is oxide.
-
- Unplug your MSD and remove the power cord.
-
- Remove the screws on the left and right of the case
-
- Assuming you do not have any switches in the back, tilt the MSD onto its
- back surface but not all the way. You do not want to crush the hard to
- find on/off switch.
-
- Remove the screws from each disk drive, if you have not tilted the drive
- too far back the drives will hang in there by the front lips.
-
- Put it back down and level.
-
- Carefully unplug the drive connectors by using gentle prying motions and
- a firm grip on the connectors and NOT the cable. Pull on the cable and you
- will be sorry. Now remove the power cable connectors.
-
- Gently lift the right hand drive (1) out of the MSD and make sure you
- do not catch the electronics on the top of the drive on the (0) drive.
-
- Lift out the left hand drive.
-
- Now we are going to remove all the roms and ram you have carefully
- marked with their "U" numbers. Of course you are going to be grounded
- and static free since the 2k rams and roms are almost impossible to find.
-
- Now with a CHIP REMOVER remove all the chips and remember to use a gentle
- prying motion IF needed. You shouldn't need it.
-
- You will probably notice the chips are "white" on the legs. There are
- many ways to remove it. Since brushing or "sanding" them will produce
- static and possibly destroy the chips I prefer a chemical cleaner or
- spray. Up to you, I wouldn't go crazy on this or would possibly skip
- the cleaning altogether. Up to you.
-
- Now straighten the pins with a pin straighter or use a flat surface.
- Make sure the legs are straight as in not bent left or right when you
- removed the chip with a screw driver because you did not use a chip
- remover like I told you told :D
-
- If they are bent, use a small pair of pliers to gently straighten them
- out. If you use your fingers you will break the leg and be out of a
- chip or a bigger repair job to fix the mistake (kludge).
-
- Now slightly bend each row of legs inwards towards the bottom of the
- chips. The point is to make solid contact with the chip socket.
- Normally the legs are splayed outwards slightly to make good contact
- when they are inserted with machinery at that factory.
-
- Now reassembly the whole MSD. This should have taken about an hour
- so far.
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- Okay, it still doesn't boot up automatically.
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- Darn!
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- Could be the drive speed. You will need a strobe for this and have
- to take the case apart and look at the bottom of the drives to do
- this one. I believe the RPMs are 202 vs the 300+ for a 1541.
-
- Since I have never adjusted the speed on these drives, I can't
- tell you how. This is Earl territory for me!
-
- What I have done in the past that worked about 50% of the time is to
- just replace the drives themselves at this point. I use to buy them
- for $19 a piece from JB Technologies. They advertise in Computer
- Shopper. I figure for the $38 it was almost cheaper than the shipping
- to WY and labor Earl would charge (which by the way is VERY reasonable).
- Besides, I know I will always need them since they do wear out with all
- the copying I do and at the very worse I can always sell them for cost.
-
- Now one trick I have tried in the past was to switch the drives! I don't
- know why it works sometimes but it does. I suspect it is because one
- drive is slow or fast or that it doesn't really matter much for the #1
- drive.
-
- When switching the drives make sure you change the shorting blocks
- for D0,D1 on the drives themselves and move the terminating resistor
- from drive 1 to the former drive 0. Basically it looks like a black &
- ugly chip plugged into a socket near the drive selector/shorting
- blocks. It is marked "xxx OHMs" on the top. Be gentle prying this one
- because this one is hard to find too.
-
- Now reassemble and boot the drive again.
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- Darn, still doesn't work
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- Let's assume you have a extra MSD laying around.
-
- Do all this with the power cord disconnected and off the drive!
-
- Switch out the p.s. switch first since it is the easiest part to get at
- and usually isn't soldered to the wires. Does the MSD work now?
-
- No, okay, then let us switch the switches back and swap ROMs. I
- wouldn't bother with the rams.
-
- Still doesn't work?
-
- Exchange the drives in pairs and in exact order! If you decide to mix
- or match them you really are crazy. Okay, the drive still doesn't work.
-
- <sigh> What we were afraid of in the first place, probably the power
- supply. Switch them out and try the drive with the "new" power
- supply. Whatever you do, don't try the suspected bad one in your
- good drive! Usually the problem is under voltage but you never
- know!
-
- Does it finally work? Okay, call Earl and beg him to find a transformer/
- power supply and ask him pretty please to solder the leads on correctly
- for you, since when he can find them, they come without wires attached and
- the last thing a person like us wants to do is solder the wrong wires
- to the wrong outputs. In this case, AC & DC really doesn't mix!
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- At this point where you are replacing the power supply, you are
- probably better off spending the $10 in shipping and whatever the
- labor will be and have Earl check it out completely in case you or
- I forgot something vital to check. Better to spend the small amount $$
- of labor before throwing an expensive power supply at it.
-
- Most of this was "common" sense stuff, but noone told me about it
- and I had to find out on my own. Hope it saves you time, money,
- and spares parts.
-
- Having too many things plugged into a power strip will drop the voltage
- enough, especially with the MSD plugged into the last socket, so it
- doesn't work properly. As noted above, unplug or turn off all devices
- and plug the MSD into the strip first. Also remove all the serial
- cables as they will prevent the MSD from booting when it senses the
- computer pulling the line!
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 3 Fri Jan 01, 1993
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
-
- JBEE,
-
- That explanation was very superficial. Do you think you could go into
- some more details.... :)
-
- LOL!!!
-
- One thought tho...
-
- I wonder if spraying the innards with a TV tuner-type cleaner might help,
- so long as care is taken that none of its content gets near any of the
- drive mechanics and heads, etc.
-
- Howie
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 4 Fri Jan 01, 1993
- C128.JBEE (Forwarded)
-
- I wouldn't bother spraying the inside of the MSD assembly with a cleaner.
- You never know the adverse effect it might have on some parts like the
- transformer (unless of course you mean the "freon" spray which is inert).
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 5 Fri Jan 01, 1993
- CBM-MARK (Forwarded)
-
- JBEE, looks as if you've had 'some' experiance with those drives huh?
- Excellent troubleshooting explanation!!
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 6 Sat Jan 02, 1993
- C128.JBEE (Forwarded)
-
- Thank you :)
- I only have five MSD-SD2s (seven counting my dead ones).
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 7 Sat Jan 23, 1993
- AMFORD at 17:12 EST
-
- I did your stuff the the MSD and it is once again autocopying. Opened the
- drive up, cleaned the head and the chip. Put it back together and it worked
- once again.
-
- Jbee, you need to add another line to the chip portion. While cleaning (I
- used a spray) the chip, be careful and not drop the chip! Yes, after
- carefully extracting the chip, there I stood on my porch spraying the chip
- with the cleaner and dropped it!!!!
- Got lucky and was able to bend the ONE bent leg without busting it off.
-
- <And that was an Omen of what I would do at work the following week.
- You ever delete a program that extracts voucher information during year end
- closings???>
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- Category 4, Topic 4
- Message 8 Sat Jan 23, 1993
- C128.JBEE at 18:45 EST
-
- I never dropped the chips but I sure have deleted vital programs like
- my Superbase BAM information while trying to port my files from Datamanger
- 128 to Superbase Wednesday night :)
- Luckily I believe in backups.
-
- Look at it this way, at least you didn't drop it between a crack :D Glad
- to hear the cleaning did the trick.
- "It works for me"
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