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REA 25-26 NOR REA 35 NOR ************ ╘OPIC 25 ═ON ═AY 10, 1993 ─.╫╔╘═┼╥2 [╙NOGPITCH] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ├OOLING ╞AN FOR 128-─? ╚AS ANYBODY INSTALLED AN INTERNAL COOLING FAN WITHIN A 128-─? ╘HERE SEEMS TO BE A SPACE TO PUT ONE, SO THE INSTALLATION WHOULDN'T BE TO HARD. ╔ WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION DETAILING HOW THIS COULD BE INSTALLED. 72 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 1 ╘UE ═AY 11, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ╙NOGPITCH, ╘HE INSTALLATION IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD AND EASY. ┘OU CAN DRAW POWER FROM THE ╨╙ OUTPUT, OR AS ╔ DID, DIRECT FROM THE ┴├ LINE, SO AS NOT TO DRAW DOWN ANY OF THE ╨├ POWER. ╔ HAD MINE CONNECTED FOR ONLY ONE WEEK HOWEVER. ╔ HAD GOTTEN USED TO THE QUIET OF NOT HAVING A FAN, AND COULD NOT GET USED TO THE NOISE THAT IT MADE. ╔ HAD EVEN ISOLATED THE FAN WITH RUBBER GROMMETS, ╔ THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL THEM, THE LITTLE RUBBER DONUTS, WITH HOLES IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THE QUIET OF NO FAN WON OUT. ╔'VE SINCE FOUND THAT THE METAL COVER OF THE 128─ IS A WONDERFUL MEANS TO DISSAPATE HEAT. ╘HE THING THO, IS TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO PUT ANYTHING ON TOP OF THE 128─, SO THAT ITS HEAT CAN RADIATE AWAY. ╫ITH THIS CAUTION, THE TOP OF MINE ALWAYS STAYS PRETTY COOL TO THE TOUCH. ╚OWEVER, IF THE SOUND OF A FAN WILL NOT BOTHER YOU, IT IS A WORTHWHILE PROJECT TO SAFEGUARD THE ELECTRONICS. ┘OU WILL WANT TO GET THE CORRECT MEASUREMENTS FOR THE FAN, WHICH ╔ DON'T HAVE HANDY AT THE MOMENT. ╔ TEND TO THINK IT WAS 1" SQAURE, AND AS ╔ RECALL VERY THIN. ╔T IS AN UNUSUAL SIZE, BUT THEY ARE AVAILABLE. ╔ GOT MINE ON ONE OF MY FREQUENT TRIPS TO ├ANAL ╙TREET. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 2 ╘UE ═AY 11, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╚OWIE.. CAN YOU GET ME A FAN OR TWO?? ╔ WANT ONE AS THE NOISE ╔ AM ALREADY USED TO..HAVING TO KEEP A FAN ON THE BACK OF THE PUTER ANYWAY. ═Y REPAIRMAN HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE LITTLE ONES THAT RUN ON 110, INSTEAD OF THE POWER SUPPLY BATTERY, SO THAT IT WONT SLOW DOWN DISK ACCESS.. ╚UGS! ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 3 ╘UE ═AY 11, 1993 ═.╬┼╒╙ [╬EUSOFT] (╞ORWARDED) ╚I THERE! ╔ HAVE A FAN IN MY 128─, ACTUALLY, ╔'VE GONE THROUGH TWO... HERE IS THE STORY...BACK IN COLLEGE WHEN ╔ GOT THE 128─, ╔ WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE THE TOP WOULD BECOME VERY HOT (ALMOST TOO HOT TO TOUCH!). ╔ BELIEVE THIS EVENTUALLY KILLED MY ORIGINAL POWER SUPPLY, BUT NO DOUBT THE FAN EXTENDED ITS LIFE. ╘HE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WAS THIS: ┴ 2.18" SQAURE FAN (THIS IS A STANDARD SIZE AND FAIRLY EASY TOFIND) ABOUT 3/4" THICK SCREWED TO THE BACK OF THE ╨╙. ╥ATHER THAN DRAW FAN FROM THE ╨╙ (WHICH IS ALLREADY BARELY ENOUGH TO RUN THE PUTER), ╔ USED A 12╓─├ WALL TRANSFORMER FOR THE POWER. ╘HING IS THOUGH, IT IS AWFULL NOISY, PROBABLY DUE TO THE METAL CHASIS. ╔N ADDITION, THE METAL CASE IS A WONDERFULL HEAT DISSAPATOR AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SET ANYTHING ON IT (LIKE A MONITOR...) ┬ASICALLY ALL THAT IS NEEDED IS TO MOVE THE AIR EVEN SLIGHTLY TO KEEP THE INSIDE TEMP WITHIN REASON. ┴NYWAY, THE OLD POWER SUPPLY WAS ON ITS LAST LEGS (AUDIABLE NOISE FROM INSIDE COMPUTER AND AUDIO THROUGH ╙╔─) AND ╔ STUMBLED ACROSS A USED POWER SUPPLY IN A COMPUTER SHOP. ╔T LOOKED LIKE AN OLD SUPPLY FROM A CASH REGISTER PLUS IT HAD ANOTHER FAN ON IT. ╫HEN ╔ TESTED THE SUPPLY ON THE BENCH TOP, THE "NEW" FAN WAS ═╒├╚ QUIETER THAN THE OLD, SO ╔ REPLACED THE FAN TOO. ╔ THINK THE SECRET TO KEEPING NOISE LEVELS DOWN IS TO FIND A FAN WITH MANY BLADES, THEN THE MOTOR DOES NOT HAVE TO TURN AS FAST TO MOVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF AIR. ┴NYWAY, THE NEW SUPPLY HAS +5, +12, -12, AND -5. ╘HE +5 AND +12 GO TO THE 128D LIKE BEFORE, AND THE 9╓┴├ IS STILL FROM THE ORIGINAL TRANSFORMER IN THE OLD SUPPLY (THERE WAS ROOM ENOUGH TO MOUNT BOTH IN THE PLACE WHERE THE ORIGINAL SUPPLY WENT). ╘HE ╞AN IS POWERED FROM THE -12 SUPPLY, AND THE POWER ╠┼─ FROM THE -5. ┴NYWAY, NOW THE COMPUTER IS ENTIRELY SELF CONTAINED (NO EXTRA WALL PLUG IN THINGIES) AND THE NOISE LEVEL IS BAIRLY AUDIABLE...JUST A SOFT HUMMMM. ╙OMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO DO WHEN YOU INSTALL YOUR FAN IS PUT WEATHER STRIP AROUND THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMPUTER AND POWER SUPPLY VENT. ╘HE BACK LOUVERS ARE NOT WELL SUTED TO PUSHING AIR THROUGH, AND WITHOUT THE WEATHER STRIP MOST OF THE AIR JUST BLOWS AROUND INSIDE. ╔ HAVE SEVERAL FANS LAYING AROUND THAT ARE THE SIZE YOU NEED, ONLY THING IS YOU'LL PROBABLY NEED TO FIND A 12╓─├ WALL TRANSFORMER IF YOU WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. ╔F YOU LIKE ╔ WILL SELL YOU ONE.... ═IKE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 4 ╫ED ═AY 12, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ═IKE, ╫HAT A TERRIF IDEA TO USE WEATHER STRIPPING. ╔ ALSO NOTICED THAT MOST OF THE AIR FLOW WAS GETTING CIRCULATED INSIDE, AND ONLY A SMALL QUANTITIY EXCHANGED WITH OUTSIDE AIR. ┴S YOU OBSERVED THOUGH, ONLY A SLIGHT AIR FLOW IS NORMALLY SUFFICIENT TO KEEP THINGS IN A COOL STATE. ╫HAT WAS HAPPENING WITH MY INSTALLATION IS THAT THE 128'S CASE SEEMED TO BECOME ALMOST A SOUND BOARD FOR THE FAN. ╘HE FAN ITSELF HAD A NICE QUIET PURR TO IT. ╚OWEVER, ONCE ATTACHED IT ROARED. ╬O MATTER WHAT ╔ DID, ╔ COULD NOT SEEM TO ISOLATE THE SOUND, AND FINALLY GAVE UP. ╬EVER THOUGHT TO TRY A SLOWER, LESS POWERFUL FAN. ╔ QUESS ╔ WOULD GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY IF ╔ UNDERSTOOD HOW TO PROPERLY ISOLATE SOUND. ╥OSE, ╫ILL YOU BE GETTING YOUR FANS FROM ═IKE? ┴LL ╔ HAVE HERE IS ONE VERY NOISY 110 VOLT ┴├. ╚OWVEVER, ╔ COULD GO SHOPPING AND LOOK AROUND AGAIN. ╘OO BAD YOU DIDN'T MENTION THIS A FEW WEEKS EARLIER. ╘HERE WERE THOUSANDS OF FANS BEING SOLD AT ╘HE ╘RENTON ├OMPUTER ╞EST, AND ALL FOR $2 OR $3. ╔ PAID MUCH MORE FOR THAT NOISY ┴├ ONE. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 5 ╫ED ═AY 12, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╚OWIE.. ╔ DIDNT THINK TO ASK YOU TO LOOK FOR FANS FOR ME.. AND THE ONES THAT MY REPAIRMAN WANTS ARE THE 110 VARIETY.. HOW MUCH YOU WANT{ FOR YOURS? ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 6 ╘HU ═AY 13, 1993 ═.═╔╬╬╔╟ (╞ORWARDED) ╚ERE'RE THE DETAILS ON THE VENT FAN ╔ PUT IN MY 128─. ╔ USED A 12╓ FAN, MOUNTED IT WITH 6-32 HARDWARE TO THE EXISTING MOUNTING HOLE ON THE REAR OF THE POWER SUPPLY. ╔ HAD TO UNSCREW THE POWER SUPPLY FROM THE MOTHERBOARD TO GET THE FAN MOUNTED. ╔ CONNECTED THE FAN ACROSS THE ╥┼─ POWER ╠┼─ (YOU CAN JUST STICK THE LEADS INTO THE PLUG THAT CONNECTS THE ╠┼─ TO THE POWER SUPPLY, OR, IF YOU LIKE, SOLDER THEM ANYWHERE YOU FIND 12╓). ╘HE FAN ╔ USED IS A ╨ANAFLOW #╞┬╚-06┴ 12╠ ─├ 12╓ 0.11A. ╔ GOT IT LOCALLY FROM ╚╙├ ┼LECTRONICS; THE STORE IN ╙ACRAMENTO IS AT 1-916-338-2545. ╔F YOU WANT TO FIND A DIFFERENT FAN TO FIT, HERE'RE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE FAN CUT-OUT IN THE 128-─: ╘HE HOLE IS 2 1/4" IN DIAMETER, SURROUNDED BY 4 MOUNTING HOLES WITH 2" CENTER- TO-CENTER SPACING. ╘HERE'S 1 1/4" CLEARANCE BEHIND THE HOLE. ╥E: NOISE LEVEL; ONE FRIEND SAID HE USED A _24 VOLT_ FAN AT 12 VOLTS AND IT RAN WHISPER QUIET! ═ICHAEL ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 7 ╙AT ═AY 15, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ═ICHAEL, ╔ NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT: ╒SING A 24 VOLT FAN AND FEEDING IT 12 VOLTS. MAKES SENSE THAT IT WOULD RUN AT HALF-SPEED AND BE QUIET. ╔ WONDER THOUGH IS THIS WOULDN'T BE DRAWING EXCESS POWER FROM THE ╨╙? ╔ COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT MY WATTAGES, VOLTS AND AMPERAGE... <SIGH> ╥OSE, ╫ELL, ╔ HAVE ONLY THE ONE 110 VOLT FAN, THE ONE ╔ TRIED USING BUT WHICH COOLED WITH A **╥╧┴╥**. ╔T REALLY IS NO LONGER NEW, AND ITS WIRES ARE NOW PRETTY SHORT FROM WHEN ╔ REMOVED IT. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 8 ╙UN ═AY 16, 1993 ═.╬┼╒╙ [╬EUSOFT] (╞ORWARDED) ╘HE 24 VOLT FAN IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT IDEALLY RUNNING A 24 VOLT FAN AT 12 VOLTS NEEDS TWICE THE CURRENT (OHMS LAW YOU KNOW!!), WEATHER OR NOT ITS TRUE FOR FANS IS UNKOWN. ╔TS BEST TO MEASURE. ╔ DON'T KNOW IF ╔ EXPLAINED WHY ╔ USED AN EXTERNAL SUPPLY FOR THE FAN, BUT ╔ WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE POWER RATINGS (╔ NOTICED THE SUPPLY IS RATED FOR 1.2 AMPS, BUT THE REGULATOR IS ONLY A 1 AMP JOBBER...├┬═ DID IT AGAIN!!), AND ╔ DIDN'T KNOW WHAT AMPERAGE THE COMPUTER USES. ╔ WAS ALSO CONSERNED ABOUT INDUCING NOISE ON THE 12 VOLT SUPPLY...FANS ARE NOISY ELECTRICALLY AS WELL AS SONICALLY, ALLTHOUGH ╔'VE READ/HEARD OF SEVERAL PEOPLE USING THE BUILT IN SUPPLY W/O PROBLEMS. ═IKE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 9 ╘UE ═AY 18, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ═IKE, ┘ES! ╒SING THE INTERNAL POWER SEEMS TO BE THE WAY MOST HAVE DONE THIS PROJECT. ╬OW THAT ╔ THINK ABOUT IT, ╔ BASED MY MOD ON AN ARTICLE THAT ORININALLY APPEARED IN ╘WIN CITIES 128. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 10 ╞RI ═AY 28, 1993 ╥.┴╠┬╥┼├╚╘3 [├OMMIE╒SER] AT 02:02 ┼─╘ ╔ INSTALLED A FAN IN MY 128─ MY GOING TO THE LOCAL ╥ADIO SHACK, AND BUYING A ┬RUSHLESS 12╓ FAN THAT FIT IN THE BACK ╘HEN ╔ HOOKED UP THE TWO LEADS FROM THE FAN ONTO ONE OF THE 12╓ CONNECTORS ON THE 128 POWER SUPPLY AND THEN THE OTHER LEAD WENT TO A GROUND ON THE SUPPLY AND ╔ HAVE ╬┼╓┼╥ HAD ANY TROUBLE, IT'S NOT LOUD, IT'S DIDN'T SLOW DISK ACESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ╔ USE THE 128 FOR A ┬┬╙ AND IT USED TO GET ╥┼┴╠ HOT, NOW ╔T STAYS REAL COOL. ╔ JUST INSTALLED IT AND FORGOT ABOUT IT. ╘HE WHOLE THING TOOK ABOUT 5 MINUTES. ╘HE BRUSHLESS FAN ╔ BOUGHT CAN OPERATE ON AS LITTLE AS 5 VOLTS UP TO 12 VOLTS. ╔T RUNS AT FULL SPEED ON 12╓OLTS THOUGH. ╬EVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE FAN OPERATING OFF THE ├OMMIE POWER SUPPLY AND IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 11 ╞RI ═AY 28, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 07:42 ┼─╘ ╘HIS IS A GOOD THOUGHT! ╔'LL STOP INTO MY NEW ╥╙ TO TAKE A LOOK AT HE 12 VOLT FAN. ═AYBE WITH IT, AND THE EARLIER SUGGESTION TO USE INSULLATION AROUND THE PERIMETER, THE NOISE LEVEL MIGHT BE OKEY. ═Y 128 SITS UNDER A SHELF WHICH HOLDS THE MONITOR, SO THAT THERE IS A SORT OF "HOLLOW" FROM WHICH ANY SOUNDS SEEM TO COME OUT AT ME GROSSLY AMPLIFIED. ╨LUS, THE 128 ITSELF SEEMED TO BEHAVE JUST LIKE A SOUNDING BOARD. ┬UT THIS MIGHT JUST BE WITH THE ONE FAN ╔ TRIED. ┴CTUALLY, THE 128 RUNS SORT OF MILD. ╬OT AT ALL HOT, JUST SO LONG AS ╔ AM CAREFUL NOT TO LET ANY PAPERS OR BOOKS SIT ON IT. ╔T REALLY NEEDS A CLEAN SURFACE, AND THEN IT DOES A SUPERB JOB OF RADIATING ITS HEAT. ┬UT, WITH SUMMER COMING UP, A FAN MIGHT BE A NICE ADDITION. ╬OW, IF ╔ COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A FAN INTO THE ╙UPRA, THIS WOULD BE NICE. ╘HE ╙UPRA RUNS VERY HOT. :( ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 13 ╙UN ═AY 30, 1993 ═.╬┼╒╙ [╬EUSOFT] AT 22:56 ┼─╘ ╔ STUMBLED ACROSS SOMTHING THE OTHER DAY THAT MIGHT INTEREST YOU. ╔ WAS POKING AROUND IN THE LOCAL COMPUTER STORE AND FOUND SOMTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A GIANT MOUSE PAD. ╔ ASKED THE SALES DROID WHAT IT WAS. ╔TS A PAD THAT YOU PUT UNDER THE COMPUTER TO ISOLATE IT FROM THE DESK AND REDUCE THE NOISE! ╔F YOU CAN FIND ONE YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE IT A SHOT, OTHERWISE MAYBE A BUNCH OF SOFT CUSHIE MOUSE PADS (MAYBE FOUR??) UNDER THE COMPUTER WOULD HAVE THE SAME EFFECT. ═IKE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 14 ═ON ═AY 31, 1993 ╥.┴╠┬╥┼├╚╘3 [├OMMIE╒SER] AT 00:24 ┼─╘ ┘ES, THE SUPRA MODEM DOES RUN VERY HOT. ═INE IS ON TOP OF A 1571 FLOPPY DRIVE, AND ╔ WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HEATING UP THE TOP OF THE DRIVE WITH THE MODEM BUT SO FAR IT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM. ╔ FIGURE THAT THE MANUFACTURER (OF THE MODEM) TESTED THE THING FOR A GREAT LENGTH OF TIME (╔ HOPE) ANYWAY, THE FAN ╔ PUT IN THE 128─ IS A BRUSHLESS TYPE THAT ISNT REALLY LOUD AND IT DON'T INTERFERE WITH THE COMPUTER OPERATION EITHER. ╙INCE IT WAS INSTALLED, THE TOP OF THE COMPUTER STAYS COOL. ═Y MONITOR IS LOCATED ON A SHELF ABOVE THE COMPUTER AND THE COMPUTER ITSELF IS UNDER THE SHELF SO AIR REALLY HAS A HARD TIME CIRCULATING UNDER THE SHELF. ╘HATS WHY ╔ INSTALLED THE FAN IN THE FIRST PLACE. ╔'M GLAD I DID IT THOUGH, BECAUSE FOR ┬┬╙ USE, ╔ WAS CONCERNED WITH THE 1571 GETTING A LITTLE HOT (╔T'S A REAL BUSY BOARD) AND THE ╙YSTEMS DISK OF THE BOARD IS ON THE 1571. ┴NYWAY, ╘HE WHOLE THING COST ME ABOUT 18 BUCKS. ┴ GOOD INVESTMENT FOR EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE POWER SUPPLY. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 15 ═ON ═AY 31, 1993 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] AT 01:25 ┼─╘ ╘HE PART ╔ HAVE THAT GETS RATHER WARM IS THE POWER SUPPLY TO MY ╥┴═LINK. (╘HIS IS THE BIG BLOCKY PLUG THING THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE SOCKET.) ╔T IS ALWAYS PLUGGED IN AND ALWAYS TAKING POWER, SO ╔ GUESS THIS ISN'T SURPRISING, BUT SHOULD ╔ BE WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS TO RUN WARM? -╥OB ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 16 ═ON ═AY 31, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 05:44 ┼─╘ ═IKE, ╘HIS *AND* THE INSIDE INSULLATION MIGHT JUST BE THE TICKET!! ╘HANKS FOR MENTIONING IT! :) ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 17 ═ON ═AY 31, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 08:54 ┼─╘ ╥OB, ┘OU MUST HAVE A NEW ╥╠ THEN. ╘HE VERSION ONE ╥╠'S, ONE OF WHICH ╔ HAVE, USES A POWER SUPPLY IDENTICAL TO THE 1581'S. ╘HIS ONE ALWAYS RUNS WARM, AND IS WARMER WHEN THE 128 IS ON, AND COOLER, BUT WARM WHEN EVERYTHING BUT ╥╠ IS OFF, WHICH AS IT HAPPENS IS RARLY.... ╚OWEVER, THIS IS TEPID IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THE ╙UPRA ITSELF PUTS OUT IN THE WAY OF HEAT. ╘HE ╙UPRA IS *HOT*. ╙OMETIMES HOTER THAN OTHER TIMES. ╔ QUESS WHEN IT GETS ACCESSED. ┬UT EVEN WHEN IDLING, IT'S HOT. ┴ND IT TOO USES WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, A BLOCK POWER SUPPLY WITH PLUG, AND THIS GETS HOT. ┬UT.... ╬OW THAT ╔ HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT ALL ╙UPRA'S RUN HOT, ╔ AM NO LONGER CONCERNED. ═Y WORRY WAS THAT ONLY MINE WAS HOT AND SOMETHING WAS BURNING INSIDE. ╚OWEVER, AS ├OMMIE╒SER RIGHTLY POINTS OUT ╙UPRA HAS MADE SOME FINE PRODUCTS, AND IF THEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT THEN ╔ WON'T BE EITHER. ╔ AM NOT SURE HOWEVER, THAT ╔ WOULD PLACE A ╙UPRA ATOP 1571'S. 1571'S TEND TO RUN WARM USUALLY. ╔ HAVE MINE ATOP 2 COLD RUNNING 1581'S, AND THEY REMAIN COOL. ╘HE 2 1571'S HAVE A FAN DEDICATED TO DOING NOTHING BUT PUSHING AIR OVER THEM. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 18 ═ON ═AY 31, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 09:00 ┼─╘ THE SUGGESTION OF THE PAD UNDER THE ─ IS GOOD.. ╔ HAVE ALWAYS HAD MINE SITTING ON A LARGE FOAM PAD AND IT MAKES LITTLE TO NO NOISE. ╔ KEEP A SMALL DESK FAN RUNNING 24 HRS BEHIND IT.. AND THAT HELPS IT STAY COOL, SINCE ╔ DONT TURN MY COMPUTER OFF EXCEPT ON THE FEW OCCASIONS THAT ╔ NEED A GARBAGE CLEARING RESET. (╟). ╔ AM GOING TO LOOK FOR THAT FAN AT OUR LOCAL '╥ADIO - ╙HUCKS WHATISTHAT' NEXT WEEK. :> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 19 ╙AT ╩UN 05, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 08:25 ┼─╘ ╥OSE, ╔ FINALLY GOT AROUND TO VISITING MY LOCAL ╥╙, AND SAW THE BRUSHLESS FAN. ╔T IS VERY TINY. ┴ LOT SMALLER THAN THE ONE WHICH ╔ TRIED TO INSTALL, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE MIGHT JUST FIT THE BILL! ╔T IS SO SMALL THAT IT WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY NOISE! :) ╔N FACT, IT IS SO SMALL..... ┴CTUALLY IT IS THE SAME WIDTH AND HEIGHT (AT LEAST ╔ THINK IT IS... ╔ WILL HAVE TO CHECK MY NOTES) AS THE ONE ╔ HAD, BUT ONLY MAYBE 1/3RD AS THICK. ╔N OTHER WORDS VERY, VERY THIN. ╔TS DIMENSIONS ARE 1 9/16" SQUARE. ╔ FORGET IF THIS IS THE RIGHT DIMENSIONS TO INSTALL DIRECTLY INTO THE PREDRILLED HOLES. ╔ SAVED THE BAD NEWS FOR LAST..... ╒NLIKE THE NOISY ONE WHICH ╔ TRIED BEFORE, AND WHICH COST AROUND $9 OR MAYBE $10, ╥╙ WANTS $17 FOR THIS ONE. ╒M UH.... ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 20 ╙AT ╩UN 05, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 09:08 ┼─╘ OH WELL, ╚OWIE.. 17 BUCKS AINT SO BAD.. CONSIDERING ╔ PAID 15 FOR THE NOISY INEFFICIENT THANG WHICH SITS ON THE TABLE BEHIND THE PUTER.. (╟) ╚UGS. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 21 ╙UN ╩UN 06, 1993 ═.╬┼╒╙ [╬EUSOFT] AT 16:37 ┼─╘ ╠ET ME GIVE YOU A HINT ON FANS...LOOK FOR A SURPLUS ELECTRONIC STORE IN YOUR AREA. ═OST MAJOR CITIES HAVE THEM, AND CARRY BOOKOO FANS, USUALLY UNDER $10 (FIVE OR SIX BEING NORMAL). ╔ WON'T MENTION MY THOUGHTS ABOUT ╥ADIO ╙CRAP, BUT ╔ AVOID IT LIKE THE PLAGUE...YOUR MUCH BETTER OFF FINDING A DEDICATED ELECTRONICS STORE. ═IKE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 22 ╙UN ╩UN 06, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 19:16 ┼─╘ THANKS FOR THE HINT, ═IKE.. ╔'LL KEEP AN EYE OUT..:> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 23 ╫ED ╩UN 09, 1993 ╥.┴╠┬╥┼├╚╘3 [├OMMIE╒SER] AT 00:04 ┼─╘ ┘EAH ╔ DON'T THINK ╥╙ IS THE BEST EITHER BUT ╔ DON'T FIND IT WORTH THE TIME TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN TO A DEDICATED ELECTRONICS STORE AND SCROUNGE THROUGH BOXES AND BOXES TO TRY AND FIND A FAN THAT MIGHT FIT. ALL THE ELECTRONICS STORES AROUND THIS AREA ARE LIKE SELF-SERVE SURPLUS STORES, BESIDES ╔ REALLY DON'T THINK THEY WERE THAT MUCH CHEAPER (A ELECTRONICS STORE) AND THE FAN HAS WORKED FOR 3 YEARS NOW WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS, AND IT'S QUIET. ╔ REALLY DIDNT MAKE A BIG PRODUCTION OUT OF INSTALLING THE FAN. ╔ JUST BOUGHT IT, SCREWED THE THING IN AND HOOKED UP THE WIRES, AND SLAPPED THE CASE BACK ON AND CALLED IT GOOD. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 24 ╫ED ╩UN 09, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 15:24 ┼─╘ ╔ THINK ╔ MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE WRONG FAN AT ╥ADIO ╙HACK.... ─OES ANYONE KNOW THE DIMENSIONS (HOLE TO HOLE DISTANCE) FOR THE FANS THAT FIT INTO THE 128─? ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 25 ╘HU ╩UN 10, 1993 ═.═╔╬╬╔╟ AT 03:42 ┼─╘ ╤UOTING SELF TO ╚OWIE LAST MONTH :) : ╘HE HOLE IS 2 1/4" IN DIAMETER, SURROUNDED BY 4 MOUNTING HOLES WITH 2" CENTER- TO-CENTER SPACING. ╘HERE'S 1 1/4" CLEARANCE BEHIND THE HOLE. ═ICHAEL *S ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 26 ═ON ╩UN 14, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 01:32 ┼─╘ ╔ WENT TO ╥ADIO ╙HUCKS THE OTHER DAY AND BOUGHT 2 OF THEIR 3 INCH 12╓ BRUSHLESS FANS.. AM GOING TO ┬URLESON ON ╘UES AND HAVE MY 'GUY' SHOW ME HOW TO PUT ONE OF THEM IN.. THEN ╔ CAN DO THE OTHER ONE MYSELF. ╨RAY FOR ME. (╟).. ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 27 ╘UE ╩UN 15, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 11:10 ┼─╘ ╥OSE, ╚MM.... ┴RE THE 3" FANS THE CORRECT SIZE? :? ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 28 ╘UE ╩UN 15, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 11:25 ┼─╘ ╔ DONT KNOW IF THE 3 INCHERS ARE THE CORRECT ONES OR NOT, ╚OWIE.. ╔ WILL FIND OUT TODAY WHEN ╔ TALK TO MY TECHNICIAN.. DRIVING OUT TO HIS PLACE TODAY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT.. ╔ CAN ALWAYS MOUNT THEM ON THE OUTSIDE, NO ONE LOOKS BACK THERE ANYWAY, AND ╔ NEVER OPEN THE CASE UNLESS ╔ ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.. ╔ CAN TAKE OUT THE GRILL PART OF THE BOX AND PERMA-MOUNT THE FAN TO IT AND IT WILL WORK FINE THAT WAY. :> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 29 ╫ED ╩UN 16, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 01:57 ┼─╘ ╫ELL, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOUNT THE FAN EXTERNALLY THEN YOU COULD BUY A ╥ADIO ╙HACK 9╓ ┬ATTERY TRANSFORMER (HAS A CONNECTOR ON IT FOR A 9╓ BATTERY). ├UT THE CABLE AND ATTACH THE 9V LEADS TO THE 12V FAN. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 30 ╫ED ╩UN 16, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 12:34 ┼─╘ THINK ╔ AM JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THESE BIG FANS BACK AND TRY TO ORDER THE SMALLER ONES.. ::SIGH:: ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 31 ╘HU ╩UN 17, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 05:03 ┼─╘ ╫ELL.... ╔F SOMEONE WILL GIVE ME THE CORRECT MEASUREMENTS FOR AN INTERNAL FAN, ╔ WILL TRY TO PICK UP SEVERAL OF THEM. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 32 ╞RI ╩UN 18, 1993 ═.═╔╬╬╔╟ AT 23:20 ┼─╘ ╤UOTING SELF TO ╚OWIE LAST MONTH :) : ╘HE HOLE IS 2 1/4" IN DIAMETER, SURROUNDED BY 4 MOUNTING HOLES WITH 2" CENTER- TO-CENTER SPACING. ╘HERE'S 1 1/4" CLEARANCE BEHIND THE HOLE. ═ICHAEL ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 33 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 01:50 ┼─╘ ═ICHAEL, ┘OU CAN QUOTE YOURSELF ANYTIME! ╘HAT IS EXACTLY THE INFORMATION ╔ WAS SEEKING. ╘HANKS!! :) ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 34 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ═.═╔╬╬╔╟ AT 06:36 ┼─╘ ┘OU'RE WELCOME; HAPPY HUNTING ON RADIO ROW (WHAT'S THAT ╬┘├ STREET WITH ALL THE ELECTRONIC SURPLUS STORES?) ═ICHAEL ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 35 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 08:04 ┼─╘ ╚OWIE.. IF YOU FIND THOSE FANS.. ORDER THREE OF THEM FOR ME. ╔ TOOK THE OTHERS BACK TO ╥ADIO ╙HUCKS .. TOO BIG, AND ╔ NEEDED THE MONEY MORE FOR MY RADIATOR RIGHT NOW ANYWAY. :> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 36 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 16:25 ┼─╘ ═ICHAEL, ═Y SHOPPING TRIP WILL BE TO ├ANAL ╙TREET. ╘HERE ARE PLENTY OF ELECTRONIC PLACES THERE, AND EVEN ONE THAT SELLS NOTHING BUT FANS, FROM TINY 1" ONES, TO HUMONGOUS(SP?) ONES USED IN INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS. ┴ND, IF ╔ CANNOT FIND FANS THERE, ANOTHER PLACE IS ╘AFT ┼LECTRONICS ON 54TH ╙TREET, WHICH IS CERTAIN TO HAVE THEM, ALTHO AT A HIGHER PRICE. ┬╘╫, ╥OSE, ╔ WILL BE SEEKING ONLY THE 12╓─├ BRUSHLESS TYPE, OKEY? ╔ WANT THESE TO BE AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 37 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 16:27 ┼─╘ ─ID ╔ JUST SAY THAT ╘AFT WAS ON 54TH ╙TREET? ╘HAT SHOULD BE 45TH ╙TREET.... ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 38 ╙AT ╩UN 19, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 18:22 ┼─╘ YES, ╚OWIE.. THE 12VDC BRUSHLESS IS WHAT ╔ WANT FOR MINE AND WILL HAVE THREE ─'S IN THIS HOUSE IN ┴UGUST (╟).. HAVE TWO NOW. ╘HE FANS MY TECH REP WANTS ARE THE SMALL 2 INCH DIAMETER 110 V FANS. ╔F YOU HAPPEN TO SPOT ONE.. GRAB IT AND ╔'LL GET THE MONEY BACK FROM THEM. :> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 39 ╙UN ╩UN 20, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR 64 ┬┬╙] AT 20:16 ┼─╘ ╔'M INTERESTED AS WELL, ╚OWIE -- ╠ET ME KNOW IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS AND ╔'LL MAIL IT WITH THE JEWELS, ETC ;) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 40 ═ON ╩UN 21, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 04:35 ┼─╘ ╞RED, ╧KEY. ╔ WILL BE GOING THERE LATER IN THE WEEK. ┴S OF NOW, ╔ AM GETTING FIVE OF THE 12 ╓─├ VARIETY: ONE FOR ME, ONE FOR ╥OSE, ONE FOR ╥OSE'S DAUGHTER, ONE FOR ├AM, AND ONE FOR ╞RED. ╔ THINK ╔ HAVE THIS RIGHT! :) ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 41 ═ON ╩UN 21, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 08:50 ┼─╘ RIGHT, ╚OWIE.. SEND ├AM'S TO ME.. SINCE HE'LL BE HERE SOON ANYWAY (╟). ╙O, THATS THREE FOR ME.. AND FIND OUT THE PRICE AND AVAILABILITY ON THE 110╓┴├ FANS. :> ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 42 ═ON ╩UN 28, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR 64 ┬┬╙] AT 21:35 ┼─╘ ├ORRECT, ╚OWIE -- ├OUNT ME IN, LEMME KNOW THE $$$ TO SEND :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 43 ╫ED ╩UN 30, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 08:22 ┼─╘ ╥OSE, ╔ HAD THE CHANCE TO FAN SHOP YESTERDAY, AND PICKED UP ONE UNIT. ╔ DIDN'T GET UNITS FOR YOU, YOUR DAUGHTER, ├AM, NOR ╞RED BECAUSE ╔ AM NOT SURE THAT MY SELECTION MIGHT BE WHAT YOU GUYS AND GALS WANT. ╫ITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF SIZE LIMITATIONS (AS PROVIDED BY ═ICHAEL), SO THAT THE FAN WILL PROPERLY FIT INTO THE 128─, THERE WERE NO BRUSHLESS FANS TO BE FOUND. ╙O, ╔ ASSUMED THAT THEY ALL HAD BRUSHES. (╫OULD YOU KNOW WHAT A BRUSHLESS FAN IS, AND WHY THIS IS GOOD? ╟OT ME....) ═AKING A RATHER LONG STORY SHORTER, THE ONE UNIT ╔ DID GET HAS ONLY TWO MOUNTING HOLES (DIAGONALLY PLACED) INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 4. ╘HIS ONE WAS SELECTED SINCE IT RAN THE QUIETEST (HIGH PRIORITY). ╔T ALSO DID NOT PUSH AS MUCH AIR AS THE OTHERS SEEN, WHICH MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS SO QUIET. ╔ AM PRETTY SURE THAT THE LARGER AMOUNTS OF PUSHED AIR COMING FROM THE OTHER FANS ISN'T REALLY NEEDED, AND THE TRICKLE-LIKE FLOW FROM THIS UNIT WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO KEEP THINGS COOL, MINIMIZE PUSHING BIG AMOUNTS OF DUST, AND BEST OF ALL IT DRAWS THE LOWEST AMPS OF ALL THE FANS, A VERY LOW .08 AMPS. ╘HE BOTTOM LINE ON ALL THIS IS THAT ╔ FELT IT BEST TO TRY IT OUT FIRST ON MY ─ TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT, BEFORE GETTING DUPLICATES FOR ALL OF YOU. ╘HE FAN ITSELF IS A ╬IDEC (╬IDEC-╘ORIN) ┬ETA ╙╠, ╘┴225─├, ═ODEL ┴31390-16, 12 ╓.─.├., .08 AMP. ╔'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THIS MIGHT BE THE ONE. ╫ILL BE TRYING FOR AN INSTALLATION PROJECT THIS WEEKEND. ╘HE REST OF TODAY IS PRETTY WELL SHOT, SINCE ╔ WILL BE SPENDING IT OVER AT ╩AVITT'S ├ENTER VISITING ╨├-┼╪╨╧. ╘HE ┼XPO RUNS 3 DAYS. ╫ILL TRY TO VIEW A SAMPLING OF THE 800 EXHIBITORS IN A FEW HOURS THIS PM. HA! OH! ╔ COULD NOT FIND 110 VOLT EQUILIVALENTS ON THIS TRIP. ╔ KNOW THEY EXIST SINCE ╔ HAVE ONE SITTING HERE, UNUSED THAT ╔ GOT FROM SOMEWHERE. ╨RETTY SURE THE COST WAS AROUND $10, BUT ╔ WILL HAVE TO CHECK FURTHER. ┬╘╫, THE 12 ╓─├ DESCRIBED ABOVE WAS ALSO $10. ╚OWIE ╨.╙. ╔F ANY ONE ELSE MIGHT WANT THESE FANS, IF THEY TURN OUT TO BE OKEY, NOW IS THE TIME TO ASK FOR 'EM. ╚OPEFULLY THERE WILL BE ONE MORE TRIP DOWNTOWN TO GET A BATCH OF 'EM. :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 44 ╫ED ╩UN 30, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR 64 ┬┬╙] AT 21:48 ┼─╘ ├OUNT ME IN, ╚OWIE -- ╩UST SAY THE WORK, AND ╔'LL MAIL THE $$$ ... ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 45 ╙AT ╩UL 10, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 03:24 ┼─╘ ╥OSE, ╔F ALL GOES AS PLANNED, ╔'LL BE INSTALLING THAT FAN LATER TODAY. ╘HE QUIET 12 VOLT ONE. ╧NE MAJOR CHANGE FROM THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS WHICH WERE IN THE ARTICLE IN ╘├ 128 WILL BE THAT THE FAN WILL EXHAUST THE AIR. ╧NE OF THE HOTTEST RUNNING PARTS OF THE 128 IS RIGHT BY THE FAN, AND EXHAUSTING THAT AIR JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 46 ╙UN ╩UL 11, 1993 ├═─-─╧╒╟ AT 20:22 ┼─╘ ╔ HAVE JUST MANAGED TO MOUNT A 10" WIND MACHINE TO THE UPPER PART OF THE INSIDE OF MY 128 CASE. ╔ JUST WELDED IT ON AFTER DRILLING ONE THOUSAND HOLES IN THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE CASE, AND NOW THE ENTIRE COMPUTER FLOATS ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF AN INCH ABOVE MY DESK ON A CUSHION OF COOL AIR. ╧H, ╔ ALSO FIXED LIGHTS TO THE FAN BLADES, SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE COMPUTER YOU SEE 'A THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT'. ╧KAY, ╔ WAS JUST KIDDING. ╙O SHOOT ME. :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 47 ╙UN ╩UL 11, 1993 ─.╨╞┴╞╞ [┬EOWULF] AT 20:35 ┼─╘ ┬ACK AROUND FALL, 1991 ╔ INSTALLED A MICRO FAN IN MY 128─, BECAUSE THE LOGIC FOR A FAN THERE WAS REALLY GG G OOD, WHAT WITH A READI:LY AVAILABLE LY AVAILABLE 12VDC POWER SOURCE, AND A BUILT-IN FAN MOUNT BACK THERE BY THAT ALWAYS-HOT POWER SUPPLY. ╘HE UNIT ╔ PICKED UP HAS THE CORRECT FOUR MOUNTING HOLES THAT T FIT THE BRACKET, AND ╔ EXHAUSE T THE AIR OUT THEBACK OF THE COMPUTER, DRAWING COOL AIR FROM THE FRONT OF THE MACHINE ACROSS THE POWER SUPPLY'S HEAT SINKS BEFORE SENDING IT OUT THE BACK. ╧NE THING ╔ LEARNED TO DO AFTER RUNNING THIS FOR A WHILE WAS TO INSTALL SOME FURNACE FILTER FOL LOSS IN THE FRONT GRILLE OF THE ├-128─, THIS KEE@S PS THE DUST DOWN INSIDE WHILE STILL ALLOWING ADEQUATE AIRFLOW. STILL ALLOWING ADEQUATE E AIRF LOW FLOW. ╔F ANYBODY LIKES, ╔ CAN FING D THE SPECS ON THIS THIS FAN AND POST THEM HERE, IT'S REALLY QUIET, AND DRAWS VERY LITTLE. ╔ WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THIS FAN ╔ WENT AHEAD AND INSTALLED THE SAME IN MY ╙╪-64, SINCE ╔ RUN A ┬┬╙ OI N IT. (╫╔╬╟╙, 916.989. 7.1076) ╔T'S A SMALL INVESTMENT TO KEEP YOUR BELOVED ├= CHI UGGONG ING ALONG! ╘╚AT'S WHY ╦ETEK PUT ONE OF THOSE FANS IN THEIR "├OMMAND ├ENTER" RA ├= RACKS... ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 48 ╙UN ╩UL 11, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 23:24 ┼─╘ ┘ES, POST THE INFORMATION! ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 49 ╘UE ┴UG 03, 1993 ─.╨╞┴╞╞ [┬EOWULF] AT 22:39 ┼─╘ ╔ HAVE BEEN INSTALLING FANS IN 128─'S D FOR QUITE SOME TIME, NOW, ╔ THINK ╔ WILL DO A ╟EO╨AINT AND/P OR ─OODLE FOR EVERYBODY, WITH A ╟EO╫RITE DOCI DOCUMENT GIVING INSTRUCTIONS. ╔T'S EASY, CHEAP, AND REALLY REDUS CES THE STRESS IN SS IMPOSED ON YOUR 128─ BY IT'S INTERNAL POWER SUPPLY BEING LOCATED INSIDE THE SAME CASE AS YOUR MOTHERBOARD AND DISK DRIVE. ╔ WILL LOOK UP THE FAN'S PART NUMBER AND SPECIFICATIONS SO YOU CAN FIND IT IN WHATEVER LOVCAL CAL ELECTRONIC SHOP YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE, EXCLUDING ╥ADO IO ╙HACK. (╘HEY DON'T HAVE THEM) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 50 ╫ED ┴UG 04, 1993 ┬.╟┴╬╬1 AT 02:23 ┼─╘ ╔ HAD SOMEONE INSTALL A FAN IN MY ─, BUT IT STILL RUNS HOT. ┴NY IDEAS? ┬RENDA ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 51 ╫ED ┴UG 04, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 14:05 ┼─╘ ┬EO╫OLF.. DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY 110 ╓┴├ FANS IN READY SUPPLY? ╔ NEED 3 FOR MYSELF AND 5 FOR SOMEONE ELSE. ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 52 ╞RI ┴UG 06, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 04:01 ┼─╘ UM... UH.... ╥OSE..... ╔ *MAY* BE GOING TO A ├OMPUTER FLEA MARKET IN ╬╩ AROUND THE 18TH. ╘HESE USUALLY HAVE LOTS OF VENDERS SELLING ALL MANNER OF FANS. ╘HE QUALITY IS USALLY FINE, BUT THERE ARE NEVER ANY GUARANTEES.... ╙O, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET STUCK WITH A LOT OF WORKING BUT UNACCEPTABLE FANS... ╔'M A MITE RELUCTANT TO SUGGEST GOING THIS ROUTE, BUT THOUGHT ╔'D MENTION IT ANYWAY.... ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 53 ╞RI ┴UG 06, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 04:01 ┼─╘ ┬RENDA, ═AYBE, AS MENTIONED HERE EARLIER, TOO MUCH AIR IS VENTING OUT THE SIDES, AND NOT FLOWING OVER THE HOT ╨╙? ╔ BELIEVE INSTALLING INSULLATION TO DIRECT THE AIR FLOW WAS THE RECOMMENDED FIX. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 54 ╞RI ┴UG 06, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 10:50 ┼─╘ ╫HY NOT JUST TAKE A BATTERY AND CONNECT IT TO THE FAN LEADS WHILE YOU ARE THERE? ╔F YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE LUGGING AROUND A 12╓ BATTERY YOU CAN ALWAYS CARRY A 9 VOLT BATTERY TO TEST THEM. ╔F THEY DON'T SPIN RIGHT AWAY YOU CAN ALWAYS GIVE IT A SLIGHT PUSH TO GET IT STARTED. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 55 ╞RI ┴UG 06, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 10:57 ┼─╘ THANKS, ╚OWIE.. YOU KNOW WHAT ╔ AM LOOKIN FOR.. USE YORE BEST JUDGEMENT. ╚╒╟S ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 56 ╙UN ┴UG 08, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ AT 09:50 ┼─╘ ╧KEY ╥OSE ╔ WILL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR 'EM. :) ╩┬┼┼, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, EXCEPTING IN THIS INSTANCE.... ╥OSE WANTS 110 VOLT ┴├ FANS. :) ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 57 ═ON ┴UG 09, 1993 ─.╘╒╧═╔ [─OCTOR] AT 04:01 ┼─╘ ╔ ENDED UP PLACING A 5V FAN WITHIN MY 128. ╔'M NOT SURE THE PART NUMBER ON IT, BUT IT WAS EASY TO INSTALL. ╔ RAN THE 5V FROM THE CASSETTE PORT, SO THE POWER WAS EASILY HAD, AND SINCE THAT PORT WAS DESIGNED TO RUN A MOTOR ANYWAYS, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THE LOAD. ╘HE ONLY OTHER PURPOSE FOR THE PORT IS TO SUPPLY POWER TO PRINTER INTERFACES, NOT A PARTICULARLY HEAVY DUTY TASK. ─OC. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 58 ╞RI ┴UG 27, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 17:29 ┼─╘ ┘┼┼╚┴╫.. THANKS TO ╚OWIE.. ╔ AM NOW =COOKIN WITH GAS= IN ╘EXAS TAWK.. :> ╔ BOUGHT SOME ─├ FANS FROM ╚OWIE, ├AM HAS INSTALLED THEM WITH THE HELP OF MY BUD IN ┬URLESON.. AND THAT BUGGER IS QUIET!!!!! AND IS IT EVER TAKIN OUT THE HEAT. ╫E INSTALLED THEM TO TAKE THE HEAT ╧╒╘ INSTEAD OF PUSHING AIR IN.. AND THIS IS ╬╔├┼! ╘HANKS BUNCHES ╚╧╫╔┼KINS.. KISS KISS.. :> ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 59 ╞RI ┴UG 27, 1993 ╘╚┼.╧╒╘╠┴╫ AT 20:09 ┼─╘ ┘ES ╘╚┴╬╪ ╚OWIE! :> ╤UITE EASY TOO INSTALL, TAKES ABOUT 30 MIN( TAKING ONES TIME AND ├┴╥┼! ) ╫ELL LESS THAN THAT, ╔T'S THE FIRST TIME ╔'VE DONE IT AND DID THREE OF THEM IN ONE AFTERNOON. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 60 ╙AT ┴UG 28, 1993 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 04:58 ┼─╘ ╥OSE AND ├AM, ╟LAD TO HEAR THE FANS ARRIVED SAFELY, AND ARE ALREADY AT WORK DOING THE THING THEY DO BEST, KEEPING ├128─'S COOL AND HAPPY. ┴ND, YES, BLOWING AIR ╧╒╘ THE BACK IS THE PROPER INSTALLATION, CONTRARY TO HOW INSTALLATION WAS ONCE DESCRIBED. ┼VERY COMPUTER ╔ SEE TODAY DOES EXACTLY THIS. :) ╘HOSE FANS ARE PRETTY QUIET. ╔ GOT AN EXTRA ONE FOR ME, AND JUST AS SOON AS ╔ CAN SET ASIDE SOME TIME WILL BE PUTTING ONE IN HERE TOO. ╔ THINK A COUPLE HOURS MAY BE MORE MY SPEED. 30 MINUTES WOULD BE NICER, BUT NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THINGS INSIDE ╔ WANT TO BE SURE ABOUT WHAT GETS SOLDERED TO WHAT. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 61 ╙AT ┴UG 28, 1993 ╘╚┼.╧╒╘╠┴╫ AT 09:47 ┼─╘ ╚OWIE... ╙OLDERING IS *╬╧╘* NECESSARY! ╫HEN YOU PULL THE POWER CONNECTOR FROM THE SUPPLY TO THE CIRCUIT BOARD, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PLUG HAS 5 OR 6 WIRES IN IT. ╨ULL THE BLACK AND YELLOW WIRES OUT. ┘OU WILL SEE THERE IS ENUFF ROOM TO SLIP THE FAN WIRES IN AND PULL THE WIRES TO THE BACK WITH PLIERS. ╘HEN SLIP THE PINS BACK INTO THE PLUG AND GO FROM THERE. ╚AVE FUN :> ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 62 ╙AT ┴UG 28, 1993 ╘╚┼.╧╒╘╠┴╫ AT 10:07 ┼─╘ ╧OOOPS.. FORGOT TO MENTION.. ╘HE YELLOW WIRE IS THE ╚╧╘ WIRE AND BLACK IS GROUND. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 63 ╙UN ┴UG 29, 1993 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 04:24 ┼─╘ ├AM, ┘OU MAKE IT SOUND SO EASY! ╘HANKS! :) ╔ WAS GOING TO DO THE CONNECTIONS DESCRIBED IN THE ╘├ ARTICLE, BUT YOUR WAY IS A LOT NICER. ╫ITH ALL THE WARNINGS ╔ HAVE READ ABOUT NOT TO FOOL AROUND WITH THE ─'S POWER SUPPLY, ╔ NEVER WOULD HAVE PROBED AND LOOKED FOR AN ALTERNATE 12V SOURCE. ╘HIS WILL NOW GET DONE HERE ON ═ONDAY. ╫E'VE BEEN HAVING YET ANOTHER SERIES OF 90+ DEGREE DAYS, AND THE ─ WILL APPRECIATE A NICE COOL FAN. ╔ WISH ╔ COULD DO IT TODAY, BUT ╔ AM OFF TO A WEDDING, AND AS THESE THINGS GO, THERE IS NO TELLING WHEN ╔ WILL GET BACK.... ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 64 ╙UN ┴UG 29, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 14:04 ┼─╘ ╔ FORGET WHAT THE ARTICLE RECOMMENDED ;) BUT FOR A 12╓ FAN YOU CAN ATTACH THE RED WIRE TO ONE SIDE OF THE FUSE HOLDER (ONE NEAR THE FRONT) ON THE POWER SUPPLY AND ATTACH THE BLACK LEAD (GROUND) TO ONE OF THE SCREWS ON THE POWER SUPPLY (TO THE RIGHT OF THE FAN ON THE CORNER OF THE ╨╙ ╨├┬). ╔ HAVE SEEN A COUPLE DONE LIKE THIS (PUSHING THE AIR OUT) AND THEY WORK OKAY. ╘HE REASON MOST ╨├S PUSH AIR OUT NOW INSTEAD OF BLOWING COOL AIR IN IS TO SAVE COST, NOT BECAUSE IT IS MORE EFFECTIVE. ╨├ CARDS ARE GENERALLY BURIED INSIDE THE CASE AND CAN NOT HAVE AIR BLOWN DIRECTLY IN ON HOT RUNNING HIGH ═╚┌ ├╨U CARDS. ╥EASON BEING THE COST OF VENTS, FANS, AND FILTERING MATERIAL, ALSO ┼╞╔ FIGURES INTO IT. ╘HE MAJOR HEAT PRODUCER IS NO LONGER POWER SUPPLIES, BECAUSE OF NEW TECHNOLOGY AND BETTER PRODUCED POWER SUPPLIES, BUT THE ├╨U CARDS WHICH GENERATE A LOT OF HEAT. ╘HE SOLUTION IS TO USUALLY COOL THE CARD WITH AN INTERNAL FAN AND TAKE THE HEAT ONCE IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CARD AND PUSH IT OUT OF THE BOX. ╙INCE THE MAJOR HEAT PRODUCER IN THE ├-128 IS THE POWER SUPPLY, IT MAKES SENSE TO REMOVE THE HEAT BY BLOWING AIR OVER IT. ┴S NOTED EARLIER, THERE IS NO "GASKET" BETWEEN THE POWER SUPPLY AND CASE (MAYBE WHERE THE FILTER WOULD HAVE GONE?) SO UNLESS YOU ADD A GASKET THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO PUSH THE AIR OVER THE POWER SUPPLY TO COOL IT OFF. ╚OW ╔ UNDERSTAND IT ^ . ╔ BELIEVE ╞RED ┬OWEN SAID THE ├-128─ WAS DESIGNED NOT TO NEED A FAN, THOUGH ╔ WOULD ADD ONE IF ╔ HAD A MONITOR SITTING ON IT. ├ONSIDERING HOW TOUGH IT IS TO GET REPAIRS AND PARTS, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 65 ═ON ┴UG 30, 1993 ╟.╬╧╟╟╠┼ [╟REG] AT 01:05 ┼─╘ ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER WHEN BLOWING AIR OVER CHIPS,IS THAT NO MATTER HOW CLEAN YOU KEEP YOUR HOUSE,THERE IS DUST IN THE AIR.─UST BROUGHT UP TO SPEED OVER IC'S IS NOT A PICTURE THAT FILLS ME WITH GLEE ╟REG ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 66 ═ON ┴UG 30, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ AT 01:12 ┼─╘ ╟REG..THATS WHY OUR FANS ARE BLOWING ╧╒╘ OF THE ─.. AND MINE HAS NEVER BEEN COOLER.. :─ ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 67 ═ON ┴UG 30, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR ┬┬╙] AT 04:04 ┼─╘ ╥OSE ... ╘HE FAN THAT BLOWS AIR OUT STILL SUCKS IT IN ... AND THE EASIEST FLOW WOULD BE VIA THE 1571. ╘O ME, THIS TRANSLATES TO A DUSTIER PLACE TO INSERT YOUR DISKS. ╔ GUESS EITHER WAY THERE WILL BE DUST. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 68 ═ON ┴UG 30, 1993 ╘╚┼.╧╒╘╠┴╫ AT 12:03 ┼─╘ ╞RED... ╘RUE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, THERE WILL BE DUST. ╧NLY THING ╔ CAN OFFER, IS MOUNT THE FANS SO THE BLOW OUT... ╠IKE ╔ SAID IN A PREVIOUS MESSAGE, INTALLATION IS ╓┼╥┘ EASY.. ╘O ╥OSE AND MYSELF IN THE 'HEAT', ╔T WAS WORTH THE MINIMAL COST. :-> ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 69 ╫ED ╙EP 01, 1993 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 04:33 ┼─╘ ┴CTAULLY THE 1571─'S APPEAR TO BE PRETTY WELL "SEALED" AS FAR AS ALLOWING AIR TO FLOW THROUGH. ╔ SUSPECT MOST OF THE AIR BEING DRAWN OUT ORIGINATES THROUGH THE VENTS WHICH RUN ALONG THE BOTTOM-FRONT OF THE ─. ┴ WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD RESULT IN SOME HARMLESS DUST ON THE ╨├ BOARD PARTS. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 70 ╙AT ╙EP 04, 1993 ═.├╧╠╫┼╠╠1 [═ATT═AN] AT 01:30 ┼─╘ ╔'VE INSTALLED A MINI COOLING FAN IN MY 64. IT WAS A 1" 12 VOLT COOLING FAN FROM RADIO SHACK. ╔ HOOKED IT UP TO AN ┴├ > ─├ ADAPTER FOR THE POWER. ═Y 64 IS REALLY COOL. :> ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 71 ╙AT ╙EP 04, 1993 ╩.╦┴╥╬ AT 13:09 ┼─╘ ╫ELL, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP DUST OUT OF THE COMPUTER, THE WAY IS TO BLOW AIR ╔╬╘╧ THE COMPUTER, ╘╚╥╧╒╟╚ ┴ ╞╔╠╘┼╥. ╘HIS IS BASICALLY THE WAY ALL CLEAN ROOMS (USED FOR SEMICONDUCTOR WORK, ETC.) OPERATE. ╩.╦ARN ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 25 ═ESSAGE 72 ╘UE ╙EP 07, 1993 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 02:49 ┼─╘ ╩╦, ╔ DO NOT THINK THAT THE FANS WHICH WE HAVE BEEN INSTALLING HAVE THE POWER TO PUSH/PULL AIR THROUGH A FILTER. ═INE IS ESPECIALLY QUIET AND SLOW, AND ITS TRICKLE OF AIR IS ENOUGH TO KEEP MY 128─ COLD. ╚OWIE ------------