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REA 2-3 NOR REA 5 NOR REA 7-8 NOR ************ ╘OPIC 2 ╘UE ┴UG 31, 1993 ┴.╨┼╥╧╘╘╔ (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ─EVICE SWITCHES FOR THE ├128─ ╚OW CAN ╔ GET DEVICE SWITCHES FOR THE INTERNAL 1571 IN MY 128─? 3 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 2 ═ESSAGE 1 ╘UE ┴UG 31, 1993 ┴.╨┼╥╧╘╘╔ (╞ORWARDED) ╔ SAW SOMEBODY POST A RESPONSE SOME TIME AGO (╔ THINK IT WAS ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼) ABOUT HAVING DEVICE SWITCHES INSTALLED IN THE 128─ INTERNAL DRIVE. ╚OW CAN ╔ GO ABOUT GETTING THAT DONE ON MY 128─? ╔S IT A PROJECT ╔ COULD DO MYSELF? ╫HERE DO ╔ GET THE SCHEMATICS OF THE DRIVE CIRCUITRY IF ╔ WERE TO DO IT MYSELF? ╘HANKS, ╘ONY ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 2 ═ESSAGE 2 ╘UE ┴UG 31, 1993 ┘╠╥.╥╧╙┼ (╞ORWARDED) YES, ╘ONY.. ╔ HAVE A DRIVE SWITCH INSTALLED IN MY ─.. BUT ╔ DIDNT DO IT, MY TECH DID IT FOR ME.. BUT AS ╔ RECALL HIM TELLING ME, ITS VERY SIMPLE. ╔ AM GOING TO BE GOING OUT HIS WAY VERY SOON, WILL GET THE DETAILS FROM HIM SO ╔ CAN POST THE INSTRUCTIONS HERE. ╚UGS ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 2 ═ESSAGE 3 ╙AT ╙EP 04, 1993 ╥.╨┴╘┼╥╬╧╙╘2 [╥AY] AT 00:29 ┼─╘ ╚ERE'S THE SIMPLIFIED INSTRUCTIONS: ╠OCATE THE DEVICE NUMBER JUMPERS (TWO SETS OF HALF-CIRCLES), AND SOLDER AN ╙╨╙╘ (╙INGLE ╨OLE ╙INGLE ╘HROW) TOGGLE SWITCH TO THEM (AFTER CUTTING THE TRACE). ╘HEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS ON THE OLDER BROWN CASE 1541 DRIVES AND ARE LOCATED JUST BEHIND THE 6502 CHIP, AND TO THE LEFT OF ONE OF THE 65├22 CHIPS. ╘HE ONE CLOSEST TO THE FRONT IS FOR 8/9, AND THE ONE BEHIND IT IS 10/11 (IF THAT MAKES SENSE). ┴FTER THAT, JUST DRILL THE HOLES FOR WHEREVER YOU WANT THE SWITCHES..... ------------ ************ ╘OPIC 3 ╫ED ╬OV 17, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ╚ANDYSCANNER QUESTIONS ╔ WAS WONDERING HOW WELL THE HANDY SCANNER WORKS. ╔ AM THINKING OF BUYING ONE. ─OES IT SCAN COLOR PICTURES WELL? ┼NOUGH SO ONE COULD USE THEM IN A MAGAZINE TO SELL? ╧R IS THE QUILTY NOT THAT GOOD. ╔ WOULD MAINLY USE THE SCANED IMAGES 4 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC ═ESSAGE 1 ╫ED ╬OV 17, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] (╞ORWARDED) FOR USE IN GEOS. ╔ WOULD APPREACIATE ANY INFORMATION GIVEN. ╘HANKS IN ADVANCE. ─AN ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 3 ═ESSAGE 2 ╘UE ╬OV 30, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 06:42 ┼╙╘ ╥EGARDING THE ╚ANDYSCANNER, YOU CAN SCAN COLOR PICTURES WELL, THOUGH USING THEM IN A MAGAZINE (TO SELL?) ╔ DO NOT KNOW. ╔F YOU COULD EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHY YOU NEED THE SCANNER AND HOW IT WILL BE USED, ╔ COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER WITH A YES OR NO ON THE ╚╙64. ┬Y THE WAY, IT DOES NOT PRODUCE COLOR BITMAPS FROM SCANS, IT DITHERS (┬&╫) THE BITMAP TO REPRODUCE COLOR SHADING. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 3 ═ESSAGE 3 ╞RI ─EC 03, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] AT 23:43 ┼╙╘ ╔ AM DOING A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR MY GRANMOTHER THAT INVOLVES COPYING PICTURES OF HER AND HER FAMLY FOR USE IN PRINTED OUTPUT. ╫ILL THIS WORK OUT WELL? ╔ WAS THINKING OF USEING THE SCANS IN GEOPUBLISH. ┬Y THE WAY ╔ DID KNOW THAT IT IS A B&W SCANNER ONLY. ┬UT ╔ WAS WONDERING LATER ON COULD ╔ PLUG A BETTER SCANNER INTO THE INTERFACE? ╧R DOES THE INTERFACE ONLY WORK WITH THAT PARTICULAR SCANNER? ╘HANKS IN ADVANCE. ─AN :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 3 ═ESSAGE 4 ╙AT ─EC 04, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 01:53 ┼╙╘ ╘HE BEST WAY TO USE THE SCANS WOULD BE TO PRINT THEM OUT AS GEO╨AINT PICTURES. ╒NLESS YOU CAN IMPORT LARGE SCANS INTO GEO╨UBLISH (640X400) SOME WAY? ╘HE LIMIT IS NOT THE SCANNER OR INTERFACE BUT THE LIMIT OF MEMORY AND DISPLAY FOR THE ├-64. ╘HE ╚ANDYSCANNER PROVIDES A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR MOST PEOPLE. ╘HE INTERFACE SHOULD WORK WITH ANY SCANNER THAT FOLLOWS THE ═┴├ STANDARDS. ╨ICTURES 6X9 OR SMALLER ARE THE BEST TO SCAN. ╙MALLER ONES ARE EVEN BETTER BECAUSE THEY REQUIRE LESS SPLICING. ------------ 4 ú ************ ╘OPIC 5 ╞RI ┴UG 20, 1993 ╟.├╧╥╥┼┴ [╥┴═╥UNNER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ╨LUS-4 COMPUTING ╩UST FRIED MY ╨LUS-4'S MOTHERBOARD (THINK ╔ HAVE A SPARE OR TWO, THO) TRYING TO HOOK UP A ╚AYES-COMPATIBLE MODEM VIA A ┴╨╥╧╘┼╦ ╒NIVERSAL ╥╙-232 INTERFACE. 9 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 1 ╞RI ┴UG 20, 1993 ╟.├╧╥╥┼┴ [╥┴═╥UNNER] (╞ORWARDED) ...╙O. ─OES ANYONE KNOW OF A "SAFE" WAY TO CONNECT A ╚AYES-COMPAT MODEM OF HIGHER BAUD RATE THAN 1200 (╔ "COULD" BE USING A 1670, BUT HEY THERE IS THIS BUILT-IN ╒┴╥╘ AND THIS ╙UPRA 9600BPS MODEM CLOSE BY...) TO A ╨LUS-4...? ╔ HAVE BEEN READING UP ON A FEW THINGS, AFTER THE FACT, THAT TELL ME THE USER PORT IS "SLIGHTLY" DIFFERENT, AND THAT THE COMPUTER COULDN'T DETECT A CARRIER IF IT'S LIFE DEPENDED ON IT (╔ THINK IT MIGHT HAVE...) AMONG OTHER MINOR ALTERATIONS. ╚AS ANYONE TAKEN A ╨LUS-4 BEYOND 1200BPS? ╔ ASSUME THE ╒┴╥╘ WILL ALLOW HIGH SPEED TELECOMMUNICATIONS, BUT ALL THREE TERM PROGRAMS ╔ HAVE FOUND THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORT DOWNLOADING MAX OUT AT 1200. ╙HOULD BE A SIMPLE FIX FROM ┬┴╙╔├, AND ╔ HAVE ACCESS TO THE ╨ROGRAMMER'S ╥EF ╟UIDE FOR THE ╧╨┼╬ STATEMENT THAT'LL DO IT. ┴NY INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCE WOULD BE APPRECIATED, ON THIS OR ANY OTHER ╨LUS-4 SUBJECT. ╫ORDS OF WISDOM ON THIS BEAST ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 2 ╙AT ┴UG 21, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╫╧╫ :) ╔ THINK THE ONLY SOLUTION WILL BE TO GET ANSWERS FROM THE DESIGNERS ... ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 3 ╙UN ┴UG 22, 1993 ╟.├╧╥╥┼┴ [╥┴═╥UNNER] (╞ORWARDED) ╫ELL ╔ FOR ONE AM NOT WILLING TO REPEAT THE EXPERIENCE. ╘HE MANUAL, WHICH ╔ UNCOVERED WITH SOME DIGGING, SAYS THE ├OMMODORE ╥╙-232 (THE OLD "╓IC" VARIETY) MODULE WILL WORK FINE... AND A FRIEND OR TWO EACH HAVE ONE THAT ╔ MIGHT BORROW TO PLAY. ═AYBE. ═AYBE ╔'LL JUST SETTLE FOR 1200BPS... ;) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 4 ═ON ┴UG 23, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╔ KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU HAD TO CUT ON THE ├-1660 OR ├-1670 MODEMS TO USE THEM PROPERLY WITH THE +4. ═AYBE WHATEVER ON THE +4'S MODEM PORT THAT REQUIRED THAT CUT ALSO FRIED IT WHEN CONNECTING A REGULAR MODEM? ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 5 ═ON ┴UG 23, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ┬╘╫ - YOUR +4 MAY BE EASILY REPAIRED. ╫HEN ╔ THOUGHT ╔ HAD FRIED MINE, ALL IT TOOK WAS A NEW POWER SUPPLY. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 6 ╞RI ╙EP 03, 1993 ╟.├╧╥╥┼┴ [╥┴═╥UNNER] (╞ORWARDED) ╘RY FINDING ┴╬┘ PARTS FOR A ╨LUS-4 THESE DAYS... ╚OWEVER, A YEAR OR SO AGO WHEN SOMEONE POSTED HE HAD SEVERAL ╨LUS-4'S IN VARIOUS CONDITIONS FOR ABOUT $30, OF COURSE ╔ GOT THEM. ┴ND THEY'RE STILL OCCASIONALLY FOUND AT HAMFESTS. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 7 ╙AT ╙EP 04, 1993 ═.├╧╠╫┼╠╠1 [═ATT═AN] AT 01:30 ┼─╘ ╔'VE GOT A FRIEND WHO FOUND A PLUS 4 AT A THRIFT STORE FOR $2. ╔T WORKS TOO. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 8 ╫ED ╙EP 08, 1993 ╟.├╧╥╥┼┴ [╥┴═╥UNNER] AT 21:39 ┼─╘ ├OOL. ╔ FOUND A 64 AND A 1541-╔╔ IN A ╟OODWILL STORE- 9.95 AND 14.95, RESPECTIVELY. ═ADE ME REAL HAPPY. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 5 ═ESSAGE 9 ╘HU ╙EP 09, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 01:26 ┼─╘ ╔ ALWAYS THOUGHT ╔ HAD A GOOD NOSE FOR DEALS UNTIL ╔ MET YOU :─ ------------ 4 ú ************ ╘OPIC 7 ═ON ╬OV 08, 1993 ╥.─┴┘ (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: 1541 BETTER PATTERN MATCHING ┴ LITTLE ═╠ PROGRAM SO YOU CAN DO A @$*MUS OR ANY THING AFTER THE * 3 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 7 ═ESSAGE 1 ═ON ╬OV 08, 1993 ╥.─┴┘ (╞ORWARDED) ╘HIS IS A SMALL PROGRAM TO MADE THE 1541 SO YOU CAN DO A $ WITH THE * TO MATCH UP ANY THING AFTER THE * LIKE @$*MUS OR @$*STR STUFF LIKE THAT. ╔ HAVE A 1541-╔╔ WITH 32K RAM IN IT THAT ╔ CAN SWICH A SWICH AND $8000 TO $BFFF WILL SWOP WITH $C000 TO $FFFF IN THE DRIVE. ┬UT IF SOME ONE CAN DO A EPROM YOU COULD ADD THIS CODE TOO. ╚ERE IS THE CODE. C079 LDA $0200,X CMP #$2A BNE $C0A4 LDX $027B BEQ $C0A1 C085 LDA ($94),Y BEQ $C091 CMP #$A0 BEQ $C091 INY JMP $C085 C091 DEX DEY LDA $0200,X CMP #$2A BEQ $C0A1 CMP ($94),Y BEQ $C091 JMP $C4E7 C0A1 JMP $C535 C0A4 JMP $C50A ╘HEN ADD THIS IN THE CODE: C522 JMP $C079 ALL SO ADD THIS CODE TO BY PASS THE CHECK SOME: EAE4 NOP EAE5 NOP EAE8 NOP EAE9 NOP ╘HAT SHOULD DO IT. ╠ET ME KNOW IF ANY ONE USES THIS! ╔ KNOW ╔ WILL. ╔ NEVER EVEN THOUGHT THE 1541 DID NOT DO IT TELL ╔ TRYED. ╔ WAS JUST SO USE TO MY RAMLINK, HARD DRIVE, FD-4000, AND 1581 ALL READY DOING IT. ╘HE 1571 DON'T EVEN DO THIS! ╘O BAD ├OMMODORE DID NOT ADD THIS LITTLE CODE TO THERE 1541 AND 1571. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 7 ═ESSAGE 2 ═ON ╬OV 08, 1993 ├═─-─╧╒╟ (╞ORWARDED) ┘OU MIGHT ALSO NOTE THAT THE ╚─, ╥╠ AND ╞─ ALLOW THE ASTERISK WILDCARD TO BE USED IN THE MIDDLE OF A STRING. ╔N OTHER WORDS, ╠╧┴─"$:╙*.┬┴╙",8 WOULD MATCH ALL FILES BEGINNING WITH AN ╙ AND ENDING IN .┬┴╙ ON THESE DEVICES. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 7 ═ESSAGE 3 ╘UE ╬OV 09, 1993 ╥.─┴┘ (╞ORWARDED) ╘HIS CODE WILL LET THE 14541 USE THE WILDCARD IN THE MIDDLE TOO. LOAD"$S*MSW",8 WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE MSW.MSW FILES STRARTING WITH S. ------------ ************ ╘OPIC 8 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] (╞ORWARDED) ╙UB: ├─-╥OM FOR THE ├64? ╔ HAD HEARD THAT AT ONE TIME SOMEONE HAD STARTED A ├─-ROM FOR THE 64. ╫HAT HAPENED TO IT? ╔S IT IMPOSSABLE? ╫ILL IT WORK WITH THE ├─-╘╓? ╔ WOULD APPREACITE ANY INFO YOU CAN GIVE ME. ╘HANKS IN ADVANCE. 27 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL. ************ ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 1 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╥IGHT NOW IT IS ONLY RUMOR. ╧NCE IT IS FACT YOU WILL SEE THE INFORMATION FIRST HERE AND THEN IN ╘├-128/64 :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 2 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ─AN, ╔ HAVE SEEN POSTINGS BY SEVERAL FOLKS WHO WERE "THINKING" ABOUT IMPLEMENTING ├─-╥╧═ USE WITH THE ├64. ╚OWEVER, ╔ KNOW OF NO ONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY STARTED ANY WORK ON SUCH A PROJECT. ╙INCE A ├─-╥╧═ CAN INTERFACE A COMPUTER THROUGH A SCSI INTERFACE ADAPTER AND ├═─'S ╚─ SERIES OF ╚ARD ─RIVES OFFER A SCSI EXTENSION PORT, THE ANSWER IS ┘┼╙, IT IS POSSIBLE, *╔╞* SOME GROUP WOULD TAKE ON THE ╟ARGANTUAN TASK OF WRITING THE REQUIRED SOFTWARE. ╔ DOUBT THIS WILL HAPPEN, SINCE ╔ CANNOT SEE ANY REAL NEED FOR IT. ├═─'S ╚ARD ─RIVES CAN STORE UP TO 200 MEGS. ╙UFFICIENT SPACE FOR MOST ├64 USERS. ╔ KNOW THERE IS AT LEAST ONE FOR WHOM THIS WAS NOT SUFFICIENT, AND THAT HE RUNS A ├OMMODORE WITH A GIGABYTE OF ╚─ SPACE. ╘HE POINT IS, OUR COMPUTERS JUST DO NOT REQUIRE THE MASSIVE STORAGE CAPACITY OF A CD-ROM. ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 3 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ╙O, ╩┬┼┼, AFTER ALL ╔'VE SAID YOU ARE GOING AHEAD WITH A ├─-╥╧═? :) ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 4 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ═.═┴╘╘╔╬╟ [MATS] (╞ORWARDED) ╘HERE WAS REALLY SOMETHING LIKE A ├─-╥╧═ FOR THE ├64! ╔T WAS SOLD ONLY FOR SOME MONTHS HERE IN ╟ERMANY. ╔N FACT IT WAS ONLY AN INTERFACE TO USE THE ├64 TO CONTROL A LASERDISK PLAYER. ╧NLY FEW PROGRAMS WERE RELEASED FOR IT, I.E. ─RAGONS ╠AIR - ╔ DON'T REMEMBER MORE. ╔T WAS THAT MUCH HIGH PRICED THAT NOBODY BUYED IT. ╔T CAME IN VERSIONS FOR ┴MIGA AND ┴TARI ╙╘ TOO. ═ATS. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 5 ╫ED ┴UG 11, 1993 ╟.╬╧╟╟╠┼ [╟REG] (╞ORWARDED) ╔ WOULD BE INTERESETED IN THE PRODUCT,HAVING RECENTLY PICKED UP A ├─-ROM. ╘HE IDEA OF RUNNING A ┬┬╙ WITH CDROM,CMD HARD DRIVE SOUNDS FUN TO ME,ESPESCAILLY OFF MY 128. ┴LL THIS FOR A LOT LESS THAN A PRICE OF THE ╔NCREDIBALLY ┬ORING ═ACHINES. ╘AKE THAT ┬IG ┬LUE ╩UST MY TWO CENTS. ╟REG ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 6 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ╥┴╬─╧═-═┴╟ (╞ORWARDED) ╙EVERAL YEARS BACK ├AMAMERICA HAD ORIGINALLY TESTED AN INTERFACE THAT WORKED WITH A STANDARD ├─ PLAYER WITH THE CASSETTE PORT. ┴ FAR SIMPLER DEVICE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE, THOUGH PRIMITIVE IN TERMS OF ├─-╥╧═ AND SUCH, AND, OF COURSE, IT COULD NOT RUN ├─-╘╓ OR ANY OTHER ├─-╥╧═S. ╔N FACT, AT THE TIME OF THIS, ├─-╘╓ WAS NOT EVEN SOLD. ╘HE ORIGINAL PACKAGE WAS TO COME WITH A ├─ THAT HAD 30-40 ┼UROPEAN GAMES, AND THE PRICE WAS REASONABLE. ╚OWEVER, ├AMAMERICA WENT BANKRUPT, AND ╪ETEC TOOK OVER THEIR HARD DRIVES AND THE ├─ PROJECT WAS STOPPED. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 7 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] (╞ORWARDED) ╚OWIE- ╘HE NICE THING ABOUT A ├─-╥╧═ WOULD NOT SO MUCH BE THE STORAGE YOU COULD KEEP ON IT- SINCE ONE CAN'T WRITE TO A ├─-╥╧═ ANYWAY, THIS IS A MOOT POINT- BUT RATHER THE HUGE DATABASES THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE ├64 USER. ╞OR INSTANCE, YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ╟ROLIER'S ENCYCLOPEDIA... ALL T ONCE ON YOUR ├64. ╧R, ╔ HAVE THIS ├─ ╥╧═ THAT HAS A WHOLE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ASTRONOMICAL CATALOGS (SUCH AS THE ╙┴╧ STELLAR CATALOG). ╔ CAN THINK OF A NUMBER OF USES FOR THIS, WITH THE PROPER PARSING SOFTWARE (WHICH COULD ACTUALLY BE FAIRLY SIMPLE SOFTWARE). ╓ISUALIZE ALSO (FOR EXAMPLE) A DISK FILLED WITH AMAZINGLY PRETTY ╟╔╞S OF ASTRONOMICAL IMAGES.... ├─-╥╧═S WOULD NOT BE A NEW STORAGE DEVICE FOR THE 64, SINCE AS YOU SAY, A 200 MEG ├═─ ╚─ IS MORE THAN MOST OF US NON-┬┬╙ OWNERS COULD EVER FILL WITH 128/64 SOFTWARE ANYWAY. ╚OWEVER, ├─-╥╧═ WOULD OPEN WHOLE NEW WORLDS TO 64 AND 128 OWNERS..... -╥OB ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 8 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ╙UPPOSE SOMEONE WAS GOING TO DO A ├─-╥╧═ PROJECT, BUT THEY WERE DELAYING IT BECAUSE THEY FEARED PIRACY HERE AND OVERSEAS WOULD DESTROY THE MARKET BEFORE THEY MADE ANY MONEY. ╫OULD YOU OBJECT TO A DONGLE IN PORT#2 OR ONE INSERTED INTO YOUR ├═─ ╚─? ╚OW MUCH WOULD A IT BE WORTH TO YOU TO HAVE THE ├─-╥╧═ ACCESS? ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 9 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] (╞ORWARDED) ╔ DON'T KNOW WHY A DONGLE WOULD SCARE ANYONE OFF ╩OHN. ┬╘╨ USED ONE IN ITS EARLY INCARNATION, AS DO OTHER PROGRAMS. ╔ CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COST, AND YOU KNOW THAT DONGLES CAN BE BEATEN BY SOMEONE DETERMINED TO REMOVE THE CODE THAT CHECKS FOR IT. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 10 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ╚╧╫╔┼-├┬═ (╞ORWARDED) ╥OB, ╔ VISUALIZE! ╬OW ╔ CANNOT WAIT FOR MY NEW CD-ROM. :) ╔ DO NOT KNOW THAT ╔ WOULD LIKE A DONGLE THO... ╚OWIE ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 11 ╘HU ┴UG 12, 1993 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] (╞ORWARDED) ┼VEN WITH ITS WEAKNESSES, DONGLES ARE THE BEST SECURITY SOMEONE COULD PUT ON SOMETHING, THO THEY USUALLY ARE SOFTWARE ORIENTED AREN'T THEY? ╫HAT WOULD BE PROTECTED USING ONE ON A PIECE OF HARDWARE? ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 12 ╞RI ┴UG 13, 1993 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] (╞ORWARDED) ╫HAT WAS GOING TO BE PIRATED? ╔ AM NOT SURE ╔ UNDERSTAND... IS IT THAT ANY OLD ├─-╥╧═ COULD BE USED, AND IT IS THE DRIVER SOFTWARE THAT WOULD BE PIRATED? (╘HIS WOULD MAKE SENSE.) ╔ AGREE THAT A DONGLE IS A MORE FRIENDLY FORM OF COPY PROTECTION THAN MAKING THE DISK UNCOPYABLE, BUT LIKE ╚OWIE ╔'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT IT. ╧NE WORRIES WHEN DONGLES SUCK DOWN PORTS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER USED FOR OTHER THINGS (SAY, JOYSTICKS), OR WHEN DONGLES BEGIN TO INTERFERE WITH EACH OTHER.... ╫HAT WE _REALLY_ NEED TO DO IS JUST SHOOT ALL THE PIRATES, AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT :─ -╥OB ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 13 ╞RI ┴UG 13, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ (╞ORWARDED) ┴S ╔ UNDERSTAND IT, THE SOFTWARE WOULD ONLY WORK WITH A SPECIFIC ├─-╥╧═ AND ├═─ ╚─S. ╙OMEONE COULD POSSIBLY GO OUT AND BUY THAT PARTICULAR MAKE OF ├─-╥╧═ IF THEY CHOOSE. ╔ BELIEVE THE DONGLE WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THAT CONTAINED A CLOCK AND IS PLUGGED INTO THE JOYSTICK PORT. ═ATTER OF FACT, ╔ KEPT MY CABLE FROM THE ╨ARTNER ├ARTRIDGE THAT PLUGS INTO ╨ORT #0/1 AND PROVIDES TWO JOYSTICK PORTS ON THE CABLE SO YOU CAN PLUG IN A JOYSTICK AND SOMETHING ELSE. ╘HE IDEA OF A DONGLE IS TO KEEP HONEST PEOPLE HONEST AND TO SLOW DOWN PIRACY, NO WAY CAN YOU PREVENT SOMEONE DETERMINED TO STEAL SOMETHING UNLESS YOU SHOOT THEM. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 14 ╞RI ┴UG 13, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] (╞ORWARDED) ╘HANKS FOR ALL THE INFO. ╔ HOPE SOMEONE WOULD MAKE A ├─-╥OM. ╔T WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN ENCYLOPEDIA ON ONE DISK. ╧R LOTS OF SHAREWARE. ╔ WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE A DRONGEL PROTECTED ONE, BUT ╔ ALSO WOULD RATHER HAVE A DRONGEL PROCTED ├─-╥OM THAN NO DRIVE! ╘HANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE INFO ─AN ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 15 ╙AT ┴UG 14, 1993 ═.═┴╘╘╔╬╟ [MATS] (╞ORWARDED) ╙AME ANSWER AS ─AN'S: ┬ETTER A DONGLE PROTECTED CD-ROM-INTERFACE THAN NO DRIVE! ╔N RELATION TO ACTUAL PRICES IN OTHER COMPUTER MARKETS ╔ WOULD PA Y AROUND $50 (IF SOFTWARE + SIMPLE CABLE) UPTO $150 (IF CARTRIDGE, FOR EXAMPLE WITH OWN OPERATING SYSTEM FOR CD-ROM-ACCESS). ╔N THE OVERALL- PRICE YOU SHOULD SEE THAT A CD-ROM-DRIVE ITSELF WOULD ALSO BE TO PAY ;-) ═ATTHIAS. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 16 ╙AT ┴UG 14, 1993 ╩.┬┴╥┬┼╥9 [DAN BARBER] (╞ORWARDED) ┴GREED! ─AN ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 17 ╙UN ╙EP 05, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR ┬┬╙] AT 16:10 ┼─╘ ╫OULD A CASSETTE PORT DONGLE BE POSSIBLE? ┴ND ╔ AGREE. ╔'D RATHER HAVE THE PROTECTED VERSION RATHER THAN NONE AT ALL :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 18 ╙UN ╙EP 05, 1993 ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 23:32 ┼─╘ ├ASSETTE PORT DONGLES ARE NOT WIDELY AVAILABLE AND ARE TOO EASY TO DEFEAT. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 19 ═ON ╙EP 06, 1993 ╞.╧╟╠┼ [├OLOR ┬┬╙] AT 14:32 ┼─╘ ╧K, BUT ╔ STILL LIKE(D) THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE DONGLE IN THE "RECEPTACLE OF USELESSNESS" :) ╔ SAY BRING IT ON -- DONGLE TOO! :) ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 20 ═ON ╙EP 06, 1993 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] AT 22:35 ┼─╘ ╔F WORKING WITH THE 128 EXCLUSIVELY, COULD A CHIP BE CREATED FOR THE EMPTY SLOT IN LIEU OF A DONGLE? ├OURSE SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE FOR THE 64 MODE TOO FOR SUPPORT SO THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE ANSWER. ┴ND DON'T MOST DONGLES GO IN THE JOYSTICK PORTS? THE ONES ╔ HAVE DO, THO ╔ HAVE NEVER USED THEM. (DONGLE PROGRAMS, NOT THE JOYSTICK PORTS). ╔N THOSE PORTS, AT LEAST FOR ME, IT WOULD NOT BE A BIG DEAL. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 21 ╘UE ╙EP 07, 1993 ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] AT 01:22 ┼─╘ ╚UM, ╔ WOULD SAY THAT A JOYSTICK OR CASSETTE PORT DONGLE WOULD BE MUCH NICER THAN A CHIP FOR THE EMPTY SLOT INSIDE THE 128. ╞OR THOSE OF US WITH THINGS LIKE THE ╦EY─╧╙ ╥╧═ OR ╘HE ╙ERVANT, THE CHIP-DONGLE WOULD MAKE USE LOSE THE ╔╞╥. ╔N THE JOYSTICK PORT, IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME, IT IS A SIMPLE MATTER TO PULL OUT THE DONGLE AND PUT IN A JOYSTICK (WHILE THE COMPUTER IS OFF, OF COURSE). ╧N THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE DONGLED PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT BETWEEN FIVE AND FIFTEEN SCREWS (DEPENDING ON YOUR ╥╞ SHIELD), FIND YOUR CHIP PULLERS, PULL OUT THE OFT-USED UTILITY CHIP, PUT IT SOMEWHERE PROTECTED FROM STATIC, PUT IN THE DONGLE-CHIP, ETC..... ┘IPES... THE THOUGHT OF EXPENDING THE VALUABLE ╔╞╥ SLOT ON SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A DONGLE KINDA SCARES ME. -╥OB ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 22 ╘UE ╙EP 07, 1993 ├┬═-┼─ [E.G.BELL] AT 07:49 ┼─╘ ┘ER RIGHT! ╘HE JOYSTICK DOES MAKE MORE SENSE! ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 23 ╫ED ╙EP 08, 1993 ═.├╧╠╫┼╠╠1 [═ATT═AN] AT 22:41 ┼─╘ ╔ PERSONALLY THINK DONGLES ARE ONE BIG PAIN IN THE *SS. ┼SPECIALLY ON THE 64├, WHERE THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE JOYSTICK PORT ALL THE WAY. ╨ART OF THE CASE GETS IN THE WAY. ╔ THINK ITS THE SAME WAY ON THE 128. (╔'M NOT SURE THOUGH, ╔ USE THE 128─) ═ATT═AN ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 24 ╙AT ─EC 04, 1993 ┴.├╧╫┼╬ AT 06:05 ┼╙╘ ╔ READ A POST FROM AN ┴USTRALIAN WHO SAID HE HAD A CD (╬╧╘ CD-ROM) ADAPTER THAT PLUGGED INTO THE CASSETTE PORT. ╔T USED A STANDARD CD PLAYER TO D/L PROGRAMS TO THE ├=64. ╔T CAME WITH A BUNCH OF GAMES ON A CD, AND HE SAID THEY TOOK 30 TO 40 SECONDS TO LOAD. ╔'VE ASKED HIM FOR MORE INFO. ╘╘╒╠8R, ╦IRK ├OWEN... ─IALOGUE 2.2D ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 26 ═ON ─EC 06, 1993 ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 07:55 ┼╙╘ ╦IRK, ╔ BELIEVE THAT THIS MIGHT BE THE INFORMATION YOU ARE REFERRING TO: --- BEGIN QUOTE --- [STUFF DELETED] ..... HERE IS THE NAME AND OTHER INFO OF THE RETAILER WHERE ╔ PURCHASED THE PACKAGE AND THE GAMES IN THE PACK WITH THEIR ORIGINAL PUBLISHERS LISTED. ┴ND FOR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED... ═AXWELL ├OMPUTER ├ENTER 162-164 ╬ICHOLSON ╙TREET ┴BBOTSFORD, ╓ICTORIA 3067 ┴USTRALIA ╨HONE: (03) 419-6811 ╞AX: (03) 419-0160 1ST ├─-┼DITION 10 ├LASSIC ╟AMES ON ├─ ╨UBLISHED BY ╥AINBOW ┴RTS ╙OFTWARE ─AVID'S ═IDNIGHT ═AGIC - ┬ORDERBUND ╠EADER ┬OARD ╟OLF - ┴CCESS ═ISSION ┼LEVATOR - ╙OFTGOLD ╔MPOSSIBLE ═ISSION - ┼PYX ─ROPZONE - ╒.╙. ╟OLD ╠ODERUNNER - ┬ORDERBUND ╙OLOMON'S ╦EY - ╒.╙. ╟OLD ╩INKS - ╥AINBOW ┴RTS ═.╒.╠.┼. - ┼LECTRONIC ┴RTS ╞IST ╔╔ - ═ELBOURNE ╚OUSE + 5 PIECES OF MUSIC FROM ├HRIS ╚ULSBECK ╘HE PACK INCLUDES A SMALL GADGET (INTERFACE) WHICH GOES INTO THE DATTASETTE PORT AND THERE YOU PLUG EITHER THE HEADPHONE PLUG FROM THE ├─ PLAYER OR THE LEFT OR RIGHT OUTPUT FROM THE ├─ PLAYER. ╚OPE THIS HELPS... ├HEERS... :) --- END QUOTE --- ╔ WOULD *CAUTION* ANY ┴MERICAN/├ANADIAN ANTICIPATING A PURCHASE THAT AS FAR AS ╔ KNOW ┴USTRALIA ╘╓ IS ╨┴╠ COMPATIBLE, AND NOT THE ╬ORTH ┴MERICAN, ╬╘╙├ VIDEO. ╘HIS MEANS THAT THE SOFTWARE ACCESSING THE ├─ PLAYER MAY NOT WORK, AND ANY PROGRAMS THAT ARE ╨┴╠ MACHINE-SPECIFIC MAY NOT RUN. ╧THER THAN THE ABOVE IT SHOULD BE FINE. :) ╚OWIE ╨.╙. ╘O CLARIFY WHAT ╔ SAID ABOVE (SINCE ╔ AM NOT SURE THAT ╔ UNDERSTAND IT), A ╨┴╠ COMPATIBLE ├64 MAY BE REQUIRED FOR THIS TO RUN PROPERLY. ------------ ├ATEGORY 4, ╘OPIC 8 ═ESSAGE 27 ╫ED ─EC 08, 1993 ═.═┴╘╘╔╬╟ [MATS] AT 19:05 ┼╙╘ ┴BOUT THAT LITTLE ├─ INTERFACE: ╘HIS PACKAGE IS STILL AVAILABLE HERE IN ╟ERMANY, ╔ RECENTLY SAW IT SOLD AT AROUND 40..50 ─═ (ACTUALLY AROUND $30). ╧NLY FEW ARE LEFT, AND THERE NEVER WAS ANOTHER ├─ THAN THE ONE YOU MENTIONED. ├╒ ═ATS ------------ 4 ú