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- Date: 931116
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- A.FRANCHI1 [Anitra]
- ALBERTO.VO5
- C.MACDONALD1
- C128.JBEE
- CBM-MARK
- CHET.W
- CMD-DOUG
- G.GUNTER [Bill]
- GEOS-TIM
- J.DEARDEN [Jim]
- L.SCHONDER [Lou]
- M.RANDALL2 [Maurice]
- QT.PIE [Sherry]
- S.EYRSE [steve]
- T.GOSSER1
- THE.OUTLAW
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- <[steve] S.EYRSE> Gosser your from Shelton :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> First of all, would everyone like to here about a new
- morphing program.
- <ALBERTO.VO5> We HAD a C= users group in the area...don't know if ot still
- exists :(
- <C.MACDONALD1> YEA!
- <T.GOSSER1> Yes
- <ALBERTO.VO5> yes
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Sure...................
- <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> yes
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I was working with the program just before logging on
- here...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a new program called geoMorph...
- <ALBERTO.VO5> re's QT
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Re's
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It allows you to take two photo scraps and morph them
- into different images...
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> cool!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can come up with any number of images that look
- somewhere in ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> between the two...
- <C.MACDONALD1> GREAT!
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> wow..
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tonight, I transformed Abraham Lincoln into George
- Washington.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> :)
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <ALBERTO.VO5> cool
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can capture each frame into a photo album as they
- are rendered.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You are limited to photo scraps no bigger than a
- GeoPaint window.
- <CMD-DOUG> Maurice... I may have missed this, but does this do the whole
- 'Paint' document
- <CMD-DOUG> or just a portion of it, or both?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ESP, Doug.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It works with two photo scraps.
- ** <C128.JBEE> is here.
- <ALBERTO.VO5> Hi Jbee!
- <T.GOSSER1> Olympia
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I knew what he was about to ask, and fired the answer
- right away.
- <CMD-DOUG> :)
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hi JBEE
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Jbee
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Anyway, you can adjust different settings to do slightly
- different...
- <CMD-DOUG> Howdy JBEE.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...I mean get slightly different results.
- Message sent to Job 11
- <C.MACDONALD1> GREAT...handyscan 2 images..convert and MORPH!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can watch each frame appear once it is rendered....
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then it will do the next, and so on...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or you can do just one frame at a time...
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> So you could build up a anamation?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Eventually, the primary photo scrap will look just like
- the secondary one.
- <C.MACDONALD1> What next....virtual Geos??
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, you could capture each frame and then play them
- back with ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...another program of some sort.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> Album Animate
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoMorph is a stripped down version of 'Photo Frame'...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...which is a full-fledged photo scrap editor....
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...morphing is one of Photo Frame's features and will be
- included in...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...the Finally! package.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm releasing geoMorph as shareware and it will be
- uploaded...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> to GEnie by this weekend.
- <C128.JBEE> sounds great :)
- <C.MACDONALD1> Thanks Maurice!!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It takes about one minute to render each frame. Faster
- with ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> TurboMaster.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> Thanks Maurice..nice to have a place to up load once more HU
- ? :)
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Really? Sound great Maurice!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It works on both 64 and 128 in 40 column mode.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Kinda nice to be able to share.
- Message sent to Job 11
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoMorph lets you use DA's from any drive, so you can
- access...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...a photo mgr from anywhere.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> Yes I'm hacking on a new driver for the HP deskjet to work at
- 300DPI full page.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can also load and save photo scraps from any drive.
- Message sent to Job 11
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> how many drives?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any questions on geoMorph before I go on to something
- else?
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Go ahead Steve.
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> BRB...wifey getting up for work...
- <CMD-DOUG> Get her some coffee, Lou. :)
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> so I will take about a min or so for the transitions?
- <C128.JBEE> yes, I have one :-)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It depends on the complexity of each of the two images.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> so it..
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The program is analyzing about 76,000 pixels during each
- frame.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And deciding where to put them.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> so are you using the screen as a BUFFER?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The longest I've seen so far is about 90 seconds for two
- big photo scraps.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, you see each frame on the screen.
- <C128.JBEE> brb
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus you can see a scale at the bottom showing the
- progress...
- <C.MACDONALD1> Unreal...bet Berkely is rolling over..he he :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...so that you know about when the next frame will
- appear.
- <ALBERTO.VO5>
- <J.DEARDEN> Howdy folks!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can stop the progress by clicking on the mouse once.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Jim!
- <CMD-DOUG> Hey Timmie! Get lost? :)
- <GEOS-TIM> ../ar/hiHi
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...if you like the frame you are seeing.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> great look forward to it..HI YA TIM and jim.
- <GEOS-TIM> Ya
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> Hi Sherry
- <ALBERTO.VO5> Hi Jim!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then you can continue or save, whatever you want.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi Tim. 'bout time.
- <GEOS-TIM> H/senI know...but I'm using a new term...
- <ALBERTO.VO5> Your term is probably better than mine :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> We've been doing OK so far.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <GEOS-TIM> Great...
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> Everybody hide! Here comes CBM-PRESS!
- <CMD-DOUG> I'm feeling rather terminal myself. :)
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> It's safe to come out now! CBM-PRESS is gone!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Actually, I've still got about 15K of program space left
- in geoMorph.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <CMD-DOUG> Jim, please kill your greeter for tonight.
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> already did Doug (at least I hope so)
- <CMD-DOUG> Thanks. :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But this is the shareware version and I have to limit
- myself.
- <ALBERTO.VO5> Well gotta go, Nite all :)
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> bye alberto
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It has the look and feel of a GeoPaint screen...
- <GEOS-TIM> Night Al
- <CMD-DOUG> Then, will there be a commercial version later?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> bye alberto.
- <ALBERTO.VO5> Nice talking to you Maurice :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The commercial version will be in the Finally! package
- and called Photo Frame.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> shopping always shopping Doug..;)
- <CMD-DOUG> I see! :)
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> <--putting Finally! on my Xmas list
- <GEOS-TIM> DITTO
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Photo Frame includes morphing plus 'tools' for editing
- scraps
- <T.GOSSER1> Finally!!!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus it allows bigger scraps.
- <CMD-DOUG> That sounds Great!
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> well fill us in a bit on all of FINALLY ..
- <GEOS-TIM> Hi J/sta
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Because Finally! will be working with some big stuff.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> When will the commercial version be available?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Finally! is actually an environment...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you like, you never have to leave Finally! since you
- can run..
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> applications and stuff right from it's, what I call, the
- Lobby.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You are presented with several icons in the Lobby....
- <C.MACDONALD1> Another leap for Geos kind!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> These icons represent...
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The layout editor, the graphics editor, the text
- editor...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The photo scrap editor (Photo Frame)...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And several other utilities.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The layout editor, naturally is the heart of the
- program...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> along with the print editor...
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> so we can print right from it?
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> "The Lobby". I like that!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, it will print the documents you create with the
- layout editor.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> using "normal" geos drivers?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And it does graphics up to 360 dpi.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It has it's own drivers.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It's the only way it will work.
- <C128.JBEE> does it support HP lasers and Postscript lasers?
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> K..can one custom them for the printer..HP's are strange..:)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The graphics are true high density graphics, not
- interpolated like...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> the printer drivers do.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will automatically output in 300 dpi, if you choose
- to do so.
- <CMD-DOUG> Will this require new fonts, as well?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The lowest setting it has is 240x216 for the 9pin
- printers.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That brings up another subject...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> One of the icons in the Lobby is for the font editor...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...this editor is called 'TextStyles'...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This will take a normal GEOS font and convert it for
- you...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can then edit it further if desired.
- <CMD-DOUG> Best results would obviously require some editing then, no doubt?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In some cases, but the results might be surprisingly
- good in most cases.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> and can you bring in OLD files., Write and Paint ???
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will import GeoWrite and GeoPaint with no problem,
- but not...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> your existing GeoPublish files.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Finally! will operate on the 128 in 80 column mode only.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> so no deal for the 64? :(
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm putting a lot of attention into making the
- proportions on...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> the screen look good also.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Once I've finished it, I will look into making a 64
- version...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but GeoPublish is pretty good for the 64 now.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> :)
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> How about 16K vs. 64K VDC memory?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be required to have 64K VDC ram...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Because it needs the extra ram to work with...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus the screen is in full color. It's beautiful.
- <C.MACDONALD1> YEA!!!
- <CMD-DOUG> Will color printing be supported then?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It will, but not in the first version...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will put out a first version to get the thing on the
- road sooner...
- <CMD-DOUG> Have to leave room for upgrades! :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And add additional features as I go.
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> (My KPX 2123 just said, brack-bracka-brack!)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will make upgrades easy on everyone.
- <C128.JBEE> how much will the final price tag on FINALLY be?
- <C128.JBEE> Hi Ken :)
- <K.LESTERJR> hi
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hello Ken
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I don't know if I can set a price just yet...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But probably somewhere around 50-80 dollars.
- <CMD-DOUG> Well worth it, from the sound of the features.
- <C.MACDONALD1> YEP...
- <T.GOSSER1> How soon available?
- <C128.JBEE> are you actually working with true 300/360 dpi graphics and fonts?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Are you pinning me down?
- <CMD-DOUG> Heh, boy I've been in THAT seat! :)
- <T.GOSSER1> Best guesstimate!
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> LOL, Doug!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the graphics are anywhere from 240/216 to 360/360.
- You have to set this...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> when you create your document.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let's say spring time and see how it goes.
- <K.LESTERJR> hi/quit
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> can these documents be opened under the "OLD" system?
- <T.GOSSER1> Hope I live that long! ;)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> After all, I got geoMorph going before anybody even knew
- about it!
- <CMD-DOUG> Can you change it or rescale? Or copy a smaller document into a
- larger one?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What is the 'OLD' system?
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> Just with GeoWrite..for instance
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be able to change it with maybe some additional
- editing.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any GeoWrite document can be imported.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Make sure you get some big disk drives from CMD for this
- one.
- <CMD-DOUG> ::grin:: I'll take that plug. :)
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> But could a FINALLY write file be opened by GeoWrite or would
- one need to run it thu say WrongIsWrite?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will need at least a 1581 for data storage.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, this is not a wordprocessor file, it is more like
- GeoPublish.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE>
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> However, it will probably have a way to export files
- from it.
- <CMD-DOUG> Any plans for text wrapping functions?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Text will wrap around an imaginary line that you define.
- <CMD-DOUG> Wow!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This imaginary line is not printed...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You just draw it around whatever area you want.
- <[steve] S.EYRSE> well ist sounds just great..Sorry but I have to go. Night
- all..:::poof:::
- <CMD-DOUG> Heh, do I hear Pagemaker for GEOS in this, or what? :)
- <CBM-MARK> Hi Everybody!
- <C.MACDONALD1> Unbelievable...
- <C128.JBEE> are you actually working with full 300 dpi bitmap on disk aka 1+
- meg bitmap?
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hello Mark!
- <C.MACDONALD1> And to think I saw this in beta...and didn't know it!! he he :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it only takes about 360K to get a full-page bitmap.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> (compressed)
- <C128.JBEE> are you using the same rle compression geos does ?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the same compression for compatibility reasons.
- <C128.JBEE> great :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Got to use the GEOS kernal for some of this stuff!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If it's there, I might as well use it.
- <C128.JBEE> when printing fonts to the document are you actually using the true
- resolution
- <C128.JBEE> of the bitmap font?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> After all, we don't have 8 megs, nor do we require it.
- <CMD-DOUG> Can't argue with that. And it does the job.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, in order to print at say 360 dpi...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You have to use 'TextStyles' to generate a 360 dpi font.
- <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> Excuse the interuption folks.. Tim has asked me to express
- his appologies. He's have technical difficulties beyond his control.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This way, you get the best results that you would want.
- <CMD-DOUG> Tell Tim we understand his control problems. :)
- <C128.JBEE> since true 300 dpi fonts are in short supply and won't fit into
- GEOS font
- <C128.JBEE> buffer - can you import a true 300 dpi - like a truetype or HP font?<C128.JBEE> hate to draw my own :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will probably work on something like that on a future
- version...
- <C128.JBEE> btw - texiles-textstyles - nice play on words :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That was the whole idea behind the name, kinda catchy.
- <C128.JBEE> IC :)
- <CMD-DOUG> Programmer's have to have SOME fun, don't they? :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let's say these are TextStyle fonts.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> How else can we keep our sanity.
- <C128.JBEE> So, I would hazard a guess that FINALLY supports proportionally
- spaced fonts?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> When you work for 3 days trying to find a stupid
- programming error.
- <CMD-DOUG> Or maintain a balance between sanity and insanity. :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You will be able to choose how you want the fonts
- spaced...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...sort of like kerning.
- <C128.JBEE> sounds good :)
- <C128.JBEE> anyone with more questions? don't want to hog the floor :)
- <C.MACDONALD1> SOUNDS GREAT!! ::applause::
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It just takes a lot of work to do it right. But when you
- see...
- <CMD-DOUG> Will there also be control of leading, or of space before and after
- paragraphs?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...what geoMorph does, you will appreciate what these
- little...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...computers can do.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Since, text is positioned by no 'set' rules, anything
- can be adjusted...
- <C128.JBEE> will there be built in invisible rulers for lining up text and
- fonts BEFORE
- <C128.JBEE> they are placed in the document?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...with configuration settings.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Right now, the rulers are at the top and sides on the
- screen.
- <CMD-DOUG> Is the control on text done as it is imported, then?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> There are several screens to work with...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the text is stored in one file, and it's
- positioning in another.
- <CMD-DOUG> I see. :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This way, a GeoWrite file is not altered, and you can
- still use...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> GeoWrite on it.
- <C128.JBEE> so importing text for geos users can be painless?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you change it, then the corresponding file gets
- changed again.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes. In fact, I'm working on an IBM disk driver.
- <C128.JBEE> Will you be able to wrap text around graphic objects like Pagefox
- does? Conform
- <C128.JBEE> to contour outlines?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, with an imaginary line that you place wherever you
- wish.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just draw the line and the text will stop there.
- <C128.JBEE> can it be an arc or irregular outline?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any shape you want.
- <C128.JBEE> C00L!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If this line is encountered, then no text goes there.
- <C128.JBEE> FINALLY! ;D
- <CMD-DOUG> TIM! :)
- <GEOS-TIM> REhi
- <C128.JBEE> Hi Tim :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi Tim.
- <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> :>
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> [C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[A[C[A[A[AHi Tim!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You need a spare setup Tim.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Tim :)
- <GEOS-TIM> I/I sure do
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> (mouse scurry, sorry! :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> A Commodore 64 and 128 is fast if a programmer does it
- right.
- <C128.JBEE> agreed!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any body have any more questions about Finally!, or
- should we go on...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> to geoSHELL?
- <C.MACDONALD1> Yea...BTW...thanks for the update maurice!
- <CMD-DOUG> I'm fresh out. :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> CMD will be distributing geoSHELL starting with the new
- version.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Talk about the ad, Doug.
- <GEOS-TIM> I hope everything is going well.
- <CMD-DOUG> Er, um... well, I couldn't elaborate much... haven't seen it!
- <CMD-DOUG> But there will be an ad for it in the next DieHard. :)
- <GEOS-TIM> q/sta
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER>
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER>
- <CMD-DOUG> But the ad isn't nearly as important as the program...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I see a few geoSHELL owners here.
- <CMD-DOUG> Which is superb!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It helps me with all the repititious stuff that I do.
- Message sent to Job 1
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I can program my function keys to load the files that I
- am currently ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> working on.
- Message sent to Job 1
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tim, are you ready for an informal mode now?
- <GEOS-TIM> I am I as/sen 9 thanks
- <GEOS-TIM> LOL
- <GEOS-TIM> I have a new term here, and boy am I
- <GEOS-TIM> Having problems
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What term is it?
- <GEOS-TIM> Nova term
- <GEOS-TIM> but I can't get it into chatmode
- <C.MACDONALD1> GO Dialogue..
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Must be your 128 is broke?
- <GEOS-TIM> My My monitor I would but my 19084 diesd
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Cam! We need Chat Mode help!
- <GEOS-TIM>
- <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> C= Q
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Maurice, can geoShell be booted from a Ramlink?
- <GEOS-TIM>
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You should have hooked it up to the TV...
- <T.GOSSER1> GeoShell is great Maurice...am still learning to use it. What else
- do you have in the works or planning stage?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoSHELL works with anything that works with GEOS...
- <GEOS-TIM>
- <GEOS-TIM> j/sta
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> and it will work with future stuff too.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will be uploading new commands as I create them, or...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> make a disk full available.
- Message sent to Job 4
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> HI Mike
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Hi Mike!
- <MIKE2> Hi folks!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Plus the development package is in the works. It's about
- 50 percent ready.
- <MIKE2> What's happening here?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That will be free to anyone who is an owner of geoSHELL.
- <GEOS-TIM> Maurice Randalll is talking about
- <GEOS-TIM> GoegoeeoSHELL
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> New commands that are in the works...
- <GEOS-TIM> whopgoeoSHEL
- <GEOS-TIM> lllLOL
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> validate...
- <T.GOSSER1> poor Tim!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> format upgrade (allows formatting ramdisks)...
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> geoShell
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Anitra
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> laser (dump postscript file to laser)...
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> hi, QT et al.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> convert (no description needed)
- <GEOS-TIM> I feleHi Anitra
- <GEOS-TIM> no cam
- <[Cam] THE.OUTLAW> Faulty copy then...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Also, additional stuff aimed at BBG users.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And commands that can configure a Ramlink...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> such as creating partitions and stuff.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That way, you could have one exec file just for
- recreating your Ramlink.
- <CMD-DOUG> Wow. That's a lot of power wrapped into a GEOS shell!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Also, upgrade to 'dcopy' for doing native partitions.
- <MIKE2> Ok how do ya type help on this thing?
- <GEOS-TIM> GeoYou are gddoing fine ,Mike
- <CMD-DOUG> You're doing it, Mike!
- <T.GOSSER1> What 'bout fcopy?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The main geoSHELL program can handle anything you can
- throw at it.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, the request that you gave me will be added also.
- <GEOS-TIM> brb
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In order to really appreciate geoSHELL...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> you have to work with it for awhile.
- <CMD-DOUG> (you have to use it!)
- <CMD-DOUG> :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Once you get the hang of it, it's hard to be without it.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just type 'dir s' to get a directory of all your
- subdirectories...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> and then double click on one to open it.
- <GEOS-TIM> I'm back
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> we just had a rash of dropuots!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or use @$=p and then double click on a partition to open
- it.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Sounds Great!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> For using CMD stuff, you can't beat it.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Ny Xmas list is getting longer :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can even enter, fcopy r5 filename, and you will...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> copy a file to partition 5 on the ramlink.
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> ::: filling out another credit card application :::
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> So, you can create a photo scrap in one partition, copy
- it to your...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> geoPublish partition, and then work with it there, all
- with one...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> press of a function key.
- <GEOS-TIM> =
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Just enter...
- <CMD-DOUG> Function key, Tim, not the = key. :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> key8 fcopy r5 Photo Scrap^ @cp8^ run GEOPUBLISH
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Then press f8 and away you go.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or you can just type it without programming the key.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Whoops, that should have been @cp5
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In this scenario, anyway.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Looks like we've only got 7 minutes left.
- <CMD-DOUG> Tim? Comments?
- <GEOS-TIM> I sure am glad ig got here for them.LOL
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Any last minute questions? Time has been flying.
- <GEOS-TIM> I want to thank you for coming Maurice....I just wish I could have
- benen here.LO
- <CMD-DOUG> I have one more question...?
- <GEOS-TIM> L
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This afternoon, I transformed an airplane into a rocket
- ship...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> with geoMorph.
- <T.GOSSER1> What about Dashboard 128?
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi RF
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Go ahead Doug.
- <[Bob] R.FILAROWSKI> Hi Sherry!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Dashboard 128 has been in the glovebox lately.
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> Hi Bob!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But I could finish it in about two weeks if I got back
- on it.
- <T.GOSSER1> What was it supposed to be?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a graphical icon-based companion to geoSHELL.
- Another Desktop.
- <GEOS-TIM> It is a slick progrmam
- <C.MACDONALD1> UT..OH...don't get me on projects I'd like to see from Maurice!!
- he he :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It just needs a little work to finish it.
- <CMD-DOUG> Will you be winning any races in that Chrysler next year? :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, don't start, Lee.
- <GEOS-TIM> With that CMD car I'm sure he will
- <C.MACDONALD1> OK...he he
- <T.GOSSER1> Your not busy enough Maurice, would you like to do some contract
- work?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I'm going to Daytona in February.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What kind of contract work?
- <CMD-DOUG> Hmmm... too bad Charlie sold his condo down there...
- <C.MACDONALD1> Yea...are they giving away a pink Caddy this year..??
- <T.GOSSER1> Programming!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What did you think of the pictures Doug. Better than you
- anticipated?
- <C.MACDONALD1> Hey Doug...why doesn't CMD purchase Q-Link..and run it like it
- shud be??
- <CMD-DOUG> Actually, yes! What a sharp looking car!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I covered all the bases, FD, JD, etc.
- <CMD-DOUG> CM, I doubt it would be worth what they would want for it.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What's in mind Tom?
- <CMD-DOUG> Even without that, though, Maurice, it looks NICE!
- <GEOS-TIM> L:D
- <C.MACDONALD1> ahhhhh....
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does GEOS have any small-business applications?
- <T.GOSSER1> If your interested enough we can talk later.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Thank you, the name's still on it. Sitting in my shop.
- <GEOS-TIM> Marururice uses geos to run his shpop
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I started on a GEOS version of my Invoice program but
- never finished it.
- <GEOS-TIM> Thast would be slicka nice goes eios addition
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I've still got the source code, I plan to finish it
- sometime.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> is that your own invoice program, or a variant of 'MY
- INVOICE' ?
- <GEOS-TIM> Get FINALLY DONE first.
- <CMD-DOUG> Mostly just general stuff, Anitra... geoFile, geoCalc, etc.
- <GEOS-TIM> I'Y'm looking forward to that program
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is a version of Invoice Writer II.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> I *need* a good invoicing program!
- <GEOS-TIM> Hiaven't you gotten/sta
- <CMD-DOUG> Maurice has a nice one for outside of GEOS...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> If you don't mind non-GEOS, Invoice Writer II works
- pretty good.
- <C.MACDONALD1> Yep...it's GREAT!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Most IBM stuff don't work as good.
- <GEOS-TIM> MacdcDonald, are you from LACC?
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> Do you have a demo? i have rather specific needs :(
- <C.MACDONALD1> Yep!...and happy to be too!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> There is a demo version online here on GEnie.
- <CMD-DOUG> Well, I have to scoot folks...
- <GEOS-TIM> I just joined LACC recently
- <[Sherry] QT.PIE> night Doug!
- <GEOS-TIM> Night Dough
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> Nite doug!
- <CMD-DOUG> Maurice, thanks for being here. Really interesting stuff! :)
- <THE.OUTLAW> Nite Doug!
- <GEOS-TIM> I can'T wait to get my Dialogue back
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It is only missing the method to view your sales
- records...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but in the meantime they are still saved.
- <CMD-DOUG> Night all!
- <C.MACDONALD1> Have to work WED nites this year so haven't been able to
- attend..and MISS IT!
- <GEOS-TIM> Night doug
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does it doe discounts?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Yes, if you enter something like 3 * .80 this would
- give...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> a 20 percent discount.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> ...on three items.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> You can do math in the quantity column.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> I have six regular customers who get 50/10/2 discounts
- from suggested retail on all items in a 3 page catalog, plus ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> For 5 ounces priced by the pound, enter 5/16
- <C.MACDONALD1> The price is RIGHT too!!
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> special orders at other rates.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> The full version complete with 40+ page manual is only
- $10.00
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> a free d/l from GEnie? :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> From GEnie, it is free.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But no manual. However it is very easy to use as you
- will see.
- <GEOS-TIM> Great price
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Function keys are always listed at the right of the
- screen.
- <C.MACDONALD1> In this case...u get MUCH more than u pay for!!
- <GEOS-TIM>
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> does it store addresses, stock numbers, items, amt
- ordered, amt shipped, back order, etc?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it does not have a database in it.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> That is one of the most requested features...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I will put those in geoInvoice.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> how does it determine the invoice number?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It keeps track everytime you print a new invoice. You
- specify the first one...
- Message sent to Job 2
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> will it interface with a db? which one?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> From there it stores the last one used on your disk.
- <GEOS-TIM> k/sen 13 Ya, it is going well tongithight.
- <GEOS-TIM> LOL
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> No, it does not interface with a database.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> This was my first big program...
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> my current inv # is based on the date, so I always know
- when the order was shipped. e.g. 9311.16 for today.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> When I started it, I only had one 1541 and one 64.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> me too - still!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> It uses 5 digits, so you could use 31116
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> But that would only allow one invoice per day.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> yesbut, the next would be 31117, even if shipped four
- days later.
- <[Lou] L.SCHONDER> My system: 931116xx
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Well, it allows you to save your invoices to disk and
- you can review ...
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> them at anytime later.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> On the rare occasions that we ship more than one order in
- a day, I use an initial, depending on the recipient.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> And you can search for invoices from specific dates.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Or look for the customers name.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> In this way, I guess it does have a database in it.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> but not for inventory stuff.
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> no problem, just more convenient when a check comes in
- dated 11/1 with 9310.04, I know the check is late immediately.
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I guess I need to get going pretty soon. Are there any
- other questions?
- <[Anitra] A.FRANCHI1> Only six regular customers. Plus the occasional special
- order! :)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Tims flashing the red light at me.
- <T.GOSSER1> Thanks Maurice! :)
- <C.MACn?