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************ Topic 5 Thu Oct 24, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 04:49 EDT Sub: gateWay A place to post questions, answers, comments, and suggestions for Gateway. 95 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 1 Sat Oct 26, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 04:07 EDT transferred from Cat#4 ? ************ J.ROBBINS16 [JBUS] at 00:53 EDT Sub: RamDrive & Gateway64 Geos Applications & Gateway64 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Message 1 Tue Aug 20, 1991 J.ROBBINS16 [JBUS] at 01:00 EDT There seems to be a little bug in gateway64 that is quite annoying when running a document from a disk with the aparent application on another drive. It seems like gateway tries to load the parent application into the disk drive that has t e document on it and you get a disk full error message even if you only have 30kb's used on the disk. I've seemed to bypass this problem on a ramdrive partition if I use Dual Top V2.5 and change the Gareway filename to 'DESK TOP' but it doesn't always work, and it never works with RamLink. Anybody have any suggestions? I've tried CMD's BBS but there never seems to be a tech online when I'm on it. (sorry for the spelling, just getting used to this stuff) ------------ ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 2 Sun Oct 27, 1991 CMD-DOUG at 11:34 EST Yes, we're aware that this occurs. The problem is actually in GEOS itself, where I've seen it occur many times. I think it tends to happen more with gateWay due to the three drive support. The author, in rewriting gateWay, is looking for a way to squelch this problem, but for now, the best way to avoid it is to either make sure that the application and document are on the same drive, or launch the application first, then open the document. As for the CMD BBS, there is NEVER a Tech online for CHAT. The BBS is located in our communications room at CMD, which is a room where only machines live (and few humans dare enter). Questions should be left on the appropriate message board to be answered by us when we get online. Our schedule usually does not allow us to get online at work, so most of this is done from our homes in our 'spare' time, as is the case with our support here and on 'that other service'. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 3 Mon Oct 28, 1991 J.ROBBINS16 [JBUS] at 21:30 EST Thanks guys:) Glad to see you here instead of((there-other service)) And thanks for clearing up about the tech on your own BBS. Hope you get the bug worked out soon with Gateway and Geos (they're both my present favorite programs) and I'm double glad to see This area come alive! (was a little confusing trying to search out Q's and A's in the other CAT's) ((also thanks to JBEE for helping me find those other cats)) Bye for now.:) ((JBEE you really keep busy don't ya?)) ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 4 Tue Oct 29, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 05:59 EST I try to keep busy, keeps me out of trouble ;) ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 5 Thu Oct 31, 1991 G.HOYLE at 01:19 CST Thanks for opening topics here. Is there any way to rearrange files on gateway> Is there any way to duplicate an existing file on one drive without copying it to another drive,renaming it,transferring it back to the first drive and scratching it on the second drive? As you can see, the second question takes 4 steps in GateWay, 1 in Geos. The first xcannot be done without scratching the files and recovering them in the desired order--which I consider a risky proposition. I think CMD's a great company, BTW---I just want to know how the damn thing works! ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 6 Thu Oct 31, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 10:14 EST re:rearranging files on Gateway Hold down the C= key and then click on the left side (icon) of the file you want to move, then cursor to where you want it to reside, click on the program underneath and the files will switch places. As for your other questions, I will let someone else handle those because I have not finished reading the Gateway manual yet. (interpreted = I do not know;) ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 7 Fri Nov 01, 1991 CMD-DOUG at 04:08 EST JBEE has it right. That procedure should be covered in Section 3 of the manual (going by memory as I don't have a manual handy). As for duplicating a file, no there is no way to do this currently. The author says he'll provide a gateWay document to do this later on. Also, about getting files in 'order' - you might try using DIRMANAGER, which is a GEOS application that can sort your directory alphabetically and by filetype. I use it regularly. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 8 Mon Nov 04, 1991 MIKE.DUNCAN at 23:14 EST Problem - RAMLink/REU/gateWay I've recently added a 512k REU to my system and I am now having a problem using it with gateWay. Before I added the 512k REU, I had gateWay set up with the kernal patches, and everything was okay. After adding the 512k REU, I followed the procedure for "Combined RAM Expansion" on pages 7 & 8 of the gateWay manual, and with the NORMAL/ DIRECT switch in the DIRECT position, gateWay crashes at the "Welcome to the GATEWAY ... " screen. It will complete boot-up with the switch in the NORMAL position, but selecting the RAMLink shows the Fuel Gage going thru the roof. The Info Box contains erroneous data, and reformat- ting the RAMLink does not help. Please Help! - Mike ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 9 Tue Nov 05, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 01:54 EST Mike, Sounds like the same probs we dialogued about recently in some messages. With that set-up, the first partition in RL (the second partition created) must be a 'buffer'. If you check back I am pretty sure you'll find the info. If you need more specifics, just let me know Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 10 Sat Nov 09, 1991 K.LESTERJR at 13:34 EST I'm using GateWay 128 with RamLink and a 2 meg REU. When I got it I was told that there were problems with using Gateway and this configuration. I was also told that the bugs were being worked on and that as soon as they were fixed I would be sent an update. It's been a few months now and I was wondering how things were progressing. -Ken ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 11 Sat Nov 09, 1991 CMD-DOUG at 21:42 EST We're still waiting too... The author has delivered an updated 64 version to us, which is now being tested. He has not yet sent us the updated 128 version. Judging from the 64 version, they will both still need some work before we can release them. Sorry that it is taking so long, but we do want to get all of the known bugs squashed before releasing a new version. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 12 Sat Nov 09, 1991 K.LESTERJR at 22:05 EST Thanks for the update. I'll sit tight and be patient. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 13 Sun Nov 10, 1991 CMD-DOUG at 15:19 EST About that problem booting with the 512K REU...You must make sure that the NORMAL/DIRECT switch is in DIRECT mode when you execute MakeBoot while creating your boot disk. You should also be creating that new boot disk from GEOS, as you previous gateWay boot disk has the RL/GEOS Kernal patches installed. Overall, I avoid using the 'combined' RAM method, it's just too hard to handle extra devices. I suggest using the standard RAMLink method, and if you are going to use your REU with other programs, just make that DACC bigger (2048 blocks for a 1750). ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 14 Sat Nov 16, 1991 MIKE.DUNCAN at 01:08 EST Howie - Thanks for the info. I got it working. I'm not quite sure I did what you were talking about, but I made a NATV partition sized 256 in between the 512k DACC and the NATV RL Drive part. It works - but I don't like the wasted RAM! - Mike ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 15 Sun Nov 17, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 04:11 EST Mike, Glad to hear it's up and running fine. Sounds like it is now set up right. :) Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 16 Tue Dec 17, 1991 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] at 18:33 PST Hi- Well, I got GateWay128 yesterday, and already I have some comments and questions. (It doesn't take me long to come up with them, as Gary Farmaner knows.) (1) There were references in the manual which are very tantalizing to the GEOS programmer. First, there was a reference to the flag in the header which says an appliation supports three drives. Which flag is this? Is it a standard BSW flag, or a GateWay standard? The second was the very last paragraph in the manual, which hinted at the technical info for GateWay documents. It stated that they start at $6000; I assume that they get to use the full `8K from $6000 go $7f3f that is usually the background screen? Also, it mentioned a jump table in GateWay. Does there exist any documentation on this jump table, and the routines it points to? I.e., what address to call routines that do what, using what parameters and returning what values where, etc. I have to say, I really like the GateWay document structure, with the ability to add them to the GateWay! Hats off to Paul for taking full advantage of the GEOS VLIR file type. (2) Is there any way to display file modification dates en masse? I know I can get them by looking at the info box, but I would like to be able to list a bunch of files with dates, so I can know which ones in my RAMdisk have been modified since the last time I saved them to disk. (3) I have not been able to get any form of RBOOT to work with GateWay. According to the manual, 128 RBOOT from the original GEOS boot disk should work, but it doesn't; nor does the rboot command from the geoDebugger. It is a lifesaver that when reloading GateWay from disk, the RAMdisk stays intact, but still since I lock the machine up all the time it was nice with the deskTop to have instant re-load. (4) I may or may not have had trouble getting the switcher to work. I mean, I have had trouble, but I think I may have done something screwey in there, and I haven't RTFMed enough yet to be eligible to ask a question. :) -Rob Knop ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 17 Fri Dec 20, 1991 M.MINNIG at 22:15 PST Hi, Doug! Is it me, or is gateWay 128's chooser really crash-prone? 9 times out of ten, when I change print drivers, and click on the disk icon, the cursor vanishes for good. I thought maybe I was loading too-large drivers, but this happens with the standard BSW drivers. I'm using a 128D, HD-40, 8MEG RAMLink with RL DOS V. 1.40, and a 1750 REU in the RAM port. Running gateWay 64 in 64 mode on this same hardware gives me no problems. How do I fix this? Michael ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 18 Sat Dec 21, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 07:21 EST Doug is on vacation for 3 weeks starting this Monday. He might be back a bit sooner. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 19 Sun Dec 22, 1991 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 17:40 EST All- Can anyone on this BB design some alternative icons for GW?Similar to those designed for GEOS. I would like to have different icons for files so they catch my eye.E.G.GEO-FILE different from GEO-CALC. How about it?Someone on this board should be able to handle this! Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 20 Sun Jan 05, 1992 D.WADLEIGH [Sadsac] at 12:31 MST Doug - I use Gateway with a 3 meg RAMLink, flat 128 and a 1750 REU in direct mode. When using Switcher from a 1581 partition in RAMLink, I can go back and forth from GEOwrite to GEOpaint per the manuual until I try to exit one and quit. Then everything locks up. Everything is in this one partition. ?? Could you please explain a little about the purpose of that first partition when configuring RAMLink. I'm using the 1750 REU in direct mode (for other programs) and 1581 emulation partitions. After making the first partition say, No. 10 (up out of the way), can I then use a partition one? Thanks! Sadsac ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 21 Sun Jan 05, 1992 PAUL-MB at 15:53 CST One minor thing, before I got my RAMDrive, the TIME option wouldn't set the clock correctly. It'd jump back about 20 minutes. Nothing major, just wanted to let you know. \/\/\/ Paul /\/\/\ ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 22 Tue Jan 07, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 04:51 EST I left in the Ramlink "tip" topic a detailed procedure that Doug told me that makes Ramlink and Gateway fairly bullet-proof. It eliminated almost all my problems with Ramlink and Geos. The other note of caution is "Mavericked" copies of Geos sometimes will not work with Gateway. I have a setup almost exactly as yours and have not encountered a problem yet using Geopaint and Geowrite. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that there is not enough room on the disk when you finish with either application (not likely with a 1581 partition) or repeated disk access and switching without going back to the disk top is fritzing the disk. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 23 Sun Jan 12, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 06:37 EST All- "Big Blue Reader"needs a 1571 drive to run.I don't have one.Can I copy it into a RL-1571? Would it work? I want to copy a large amount of information from a IBM comp.to a disc for my use. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 24 Sun Jan 12, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 19:52 EST Want disk drive are you going to use to read the IBM disk? Can the disk drive actually work with BBR to read a IBM formatted disk? I have my BBR128 on a 1581 disk so I would imagine it works with a RL. I will let you know. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 25 Mon Jan 13, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 08:23 EST Mike, BBR runs fine from a native mode RL subdirectory. It will read/write from/to RL as well. It thinks the native mode directory is a 1541 with 5,400 blocks. :) However to read/write an ms/dos disk, the disk must be in a 1571 or 1581 drive. Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 26 Tue Jan 21, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 21:53 EST Anybody- I just installed a ver 1.7 upgrade and an additional 4mg SIMMS in my RL. When I set it up with RAM-TOOLS like I had it previously I now have a serious problem. It shows all the REU ram and the RL ram as 2 sources.I set the REU as a foreign partition,#1. I then made the buffer immediately after the REU,also foreign. I then made 3 more partitions,1 for my Tele-Com prog,1 for a double disc Genealogy prog and the rest,for now for Gateway (GEOS) I set up GW with the CBM 1541,the RL drive and the RAM 41-71 drivers. As it boots it shows 3 different type drive icons,but when it finishes,it only has the CBM and RL.Drive #3 accesses the other 2 when I open it.It even reads the back of my discs in a 1541 drive?? Where have I gone wrong??It was running fine before.It did cut the trace or the PC board. ---*****************************************************--- My other question is,now that I have additional native partitions in my RL how do I open them? Just as If I was opening GEOS??Is there an additional address? The Genealogy program has some files with the same names but different info,what should I do with them? I noticed that none of these can be opened directly from Gateway. ---*****************************************************--- I now intend to create sub-directories for all the various GEOS applications that I use. This will help me know what files are for what application. need all the help that I can get.Thanks. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 27 Thu Jan 23, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 17:47 EST Concerning opening native mode partitions from gateWay: reorder the disk drivers so the native mode partition is one of the first three listed in the disk directory. Exit gateWay to basic, reboot, and gateWay will find and use the native mode driver. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 28 Thu Jan 23, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 21:36 EST J.BEE- I only have 3 disc drivers.I also only have 3 native partitions. What I have since found is if I boot GW,then open the partition,then Shutdown,I can load & run the program.Any other way (Load"4:Name",9)will find program but then lockup. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 29 Thu Jan 23, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 21:40 EST According to the RL manual,MCOPY will copy double disc programs with files of the same names to RL.If I copy to an emulation partition it doesn't run.Maybe I am not loading it correctly? In a native partition,MCOPY will not work.Any help?? Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 30 Fri Jan 24, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 02:12 EST Mike, I think what may be happening here is that when a file of the same name as one that already exists get written, the new file overwrites the existing one. DOS will not allow two files of the same name to exist on the same device. So, if two different files use the same name, then they will have to be written to seperate devices, or at the least into seperate subdirectories. Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 31 Sat Jan 25, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 05:38 EST Howie- How would I set up a native partition properly to run this program? It is made for either 1 or 2 1541 drives.In one you are supposed to change discs repeaatedly. It runs fine,only on some of the help files it reads file missing,because as you said,it has been overwritten. My other problems with the new set-up cleared up as soon as I answered "NO" to the GEOS patches. Now for a cartridge purchase and I should be done spending for a while.Do you have any suggestions for one?I would like it to have a text editor on it (in it?). Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 32 Sat Jan 25, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 10:34 EST Mike Mc, Are you given a configuration option for a dual drive? If so, using drives 0 and 1 from device 8 should let that program run okey. Text editor? My favorite is Pocket Writer3, which runs from a 1571. However, I don't see any advantage to getting a cartridge just to have a WP. Any that can be copied, can be easilly placed right onto RL. My favorite for the slot is SwiftLink, since my interests are in telecommunications. :) Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 33 Sat Jan 25, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 20:48 EST I would skip the cartridge WP programs too! They tend to be very limited and there is hardly any support for new printer drivers. I would look at Paperclip III. It can be easily file copied and run from any partition and you can alter the printer drivers to work with any printer! I think I have used Paperclip on almost every kind of printer and every kind of disk drive (including Ramlink) there is! I do not personally use or like The Write Stuff 64/128much, but it is a superior program with all the bangs and whistles. It boots very fast into the text editor (far faster than PCiii) and with a Ramlink I imagine it would be almost like turning on a cartridge for speed if run from Ramlink. (it also has a excellent selection of printer drivers and is still supported by the author - all the previous mentioned programs are not). ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 34 Sun Jan 26, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 05:23 EST Howie & J.BEE- Thanks for the suggestions on word processors. I have been using GEO-Write put it is limited in editing downloaded text.PCIII sounds the best so far,but I am having a terrible time running anything but GEOS programs from RL.I have changed the partition sizes & types. Didn't I see where Swiftlink has problems with RL? I wanted a cartridge for 2 reasons.1.There is a slot for one. 2.It would give me additional usage without taking from Gateway's RAM amount. ---*****************************************************--- Howie- The program allows three options.Single 1541.Two 1541s.A dual disc drive?? To boot it I must go to GW and open the Genealogy partition.It is a native type. If I change to a 1541 emmulation will it have enough room??Would a 1571 be recognized? How do I set up drives 0 & 1 from device 8.(This is RL w/ the swap 8 on) Right now I run it as a single drive and "swap 8" when it calls for the data disc, which is locked and protected.It does not show any files,although it has them. I had to add a driver to each sub-directory so the icon would stay the same. Is that right?I don't want to get confused about which drive is whish. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 35 Sun Jan 26, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 19:38 EST If you want to add a cartridge most of the newer ones sell for $70. That is pretty close to what you will pay for a used C-1750 REU. Now here is an idea, if your program only supports one or two single 1541 drives and will not let you combine all the data and program files on one disk to make it easy for you a REU *just* might be the thing you need. Using the REU you could set the REU up as a ramdisk 1541/71 and then set up a Ramlink 1541 partition as the boot disk for your genealogy program. Geos should recoginse the Ramlink 1541 and ramdisk 1541 as two seperate drives (a+b). This should eliminate any disk swapping and work around the problem of your program only working with only (2) 1541 instead of letting you use a 1581 driver with both the data and program files on one disk. Now the second question would be "I have to load the ramdisk everytime I boot up, what can I do". I would put a copy of the ramdisk on a second 1541 partition. Boot Geos from your "boot" 1541 partition, switch to the second 1541 partition, file copy the 1541 partition to the ramdisk (because everything is in the ramlink this should take no time at all!), then exit to the first 1541 partition and run your genealogy program. How does that sound? Anyone else have any ideas? ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 36 Sun Jan 26, 1992 A.KARANTZE [The Maverick] at 23:11 EST Ahhhhh, I see I am not alone with troubles and gateway. I have RAMLink and a 1750 clone plugged into my 128D. I only recently purchased the 128, and was using RAMLink with my 64C. Thus, I am using the 64 version on my 128 until I get the 128 version. I hear that the 128 version is more bugged than the 64 ver. Is this true? Secondly, thank you to the person at CMD who sent me the replacement DOS rom, 1.7. RAMLink works much better, but I still have problems with data retention. Is this because I dont have any SIMMS installed? Next, I cannot get GW 64 to load at all. The 128 doesnt have Jiffydos installed in the drive (YET!), and as such loads REALLY slow in 64 mode. Again, is this because I dont have those damn SIMM's. In the letter written to me, it said I needed the RAM unit as a Foreign partition and the SIMM as accesable memory. Is this true? Im pretty sure someone at CMD is wishing they never heard of me or of New Zealand, with all these probs Ive had! One thing though: when I did get it working, gateway was a real smooth baby.... too bad its like the killer car 'Christine' (guess what Ive been reading!) and has its own personality, and stops working on its own. Hope SOMEONE can help me, PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Antony karantze !! Yes... that one from New Zealand!!!!!!!!! ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 37 Mon Jan 27, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 03:38 EST I think your main problem is not having any SIMMs installed! Once I partitioned my Ramlink like CMD-DOUG suggested (see the TIPS topic in Cat#12 posted by Howie) all my gateWay problems disappeared. I know there are a few buglets left in gateWay but for the most part it is pretty solid. I use it everyday to test Geos files and run Geos applications and I do not encounter any problems or freeze ups using my C128/Ramlink/gateWay setup. re:1750 as a DACC and 1meg or more as accessable ram yes, it is true ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 38 Mon Jan 27, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 08:05 EST Mike Mc, That *IS* it!!! Since the program offers a dual disk drive option, select this one. The program seems to run fine from RL's native partitions, and I would continue to use them. You are already set up to enter the program thru gateWay, and I'd leave that alone. That partition, or sub-directory, or whatever is fine. The only change there, if you want, would be to get back some ram space, and keep in there only files needed by the program for the first drive. The others can be scratched. Now the second disk *MUST* be in RL's real partition 1. So you may have to reconfigure RL, if partition 1 is now used for something else. The present partition 1 should have another number, so 1 can be set up for the second disk. This too can be native (more on this in a moment). The new partition 1 can be anywhere. So, if for example partition 1 is now a REU, when reconfiguring make the REU, the first partition created, any other number. Whatever number you may want. Doesn't matter. Continue re-creating other partitions. Somewhere (after the buffer in RL gets created), create partition 1. That should do it. :) Now, as to partition 1... I'd try a native mode. If you think there may be other programs that may also require a partition 1 in order to run properly, you may want to create a partition larger than what the program itself needs. Otherwise, its size could be for that second disk, and some expansion of data, etc. If the program is by itself in partition 1, then there is no need for a directory entry. However if it is sharing it with other programs (that may also use file names that are the same) then a directory for it may be best. If this is done, then you would have to first open the directory on partition 1, before letting gateWay exit into the program in partition 0, which happens to be whatever partition is currently in use. If you do not use any directory entries in partition 1, then you can enter the program as you do it now, without the extra step. (BTW, either way you do it, you could have gateWay exit to a Basic program which sets everything up first, and calls the program, saving any need for things to get entered manually. Just a click on the icon does it ALL!) When the reconfigured program goes from one disk to another, it is then going from drive 0 to 1, on device 8. If the program in 1 happens to be inside a directory or not doesn't matter, so long as the directory got opened BEFORE the program accesses it (either manually or thru a Basic starter program). Once this is set up, and because it is all being done on RL, you probably won't notice any delay as the program switches from one drive to another. ---------------------------------------- Maverick, You've probably noticed a few earlier messages that refer to the need for a "buffer" in RamLink when using gateWay. The "buffer" is a sort of junk area that is used for nothing. Its only function is to seperate REU ram from RL ram. Unless this junk area gets set up, gateWay will NOT run properly. So when CMD tells you the probs you see are because there is no ram in RL, they are referring to your not having this needed junk ram area, which would be in the first part of RL's ram. (BTW, *THIS* RL junk ram area, is not the REU ram area that gateWay uses for its swapping and other functions. That is something else.) I suspect that gateWay would run for you, so long as you configured it to run from the D's drive and the REU. Or, you could continue with GEOS' DeskTop, taking advantage of the a REU that never loses its power, RBOOTing back into GEOS, whenever you wanted. Howie ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 39 Mon Jan 27, 1992 A.KARANTZE [The Maverick] at 20:30 EST Murphy's law no X: You always find out about the problems after you buy it.. No offense to CMD of course, but it does get annoying.... SO, am I to understand that my 512k RAM expander gets only a portion used for task switching and other little tid bits !?!? Gateway should be re-christened as Windows 3.2 for the 64! ie RAM and resource hungry. You know what they say about Windows on the PC ... you need a 25mhz 386 and 4 megs RAM to run without serious probs... shades of this appear on gateway.... still, I have put in an order for a 1mb SIMM, and expect to get it on Friday at the latest. SO, when its installed and away, Ill let you know of my experiences... Thanks for replying guys... I never knew GEnie could be so enlightening!! tell you one thing... its worth the money! and being a poor student means that GEnis rates are affordable... unlike Compuserve! BTW I also communicate through local BBS's using Searchlight echoes to people in the states.... ever tried using them? maverick ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 40 Tue Jan 28, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 04:24 EST Glad to hear you enjoy GEnie and that you are buying a SIMM! It is a worthwhile investment. Let us know how it goes with the 1meg SIMM installed. ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 41 Sat Feb 01, 1992 M.MCCORMIC10 [Mike Mc-] at 05:09 EST Howie & J.BEE- Thanks for your replies. Howie,are you saying that my program will be able to determine which partition is which device?That would be great as the data disc is formatted in a different way than the program. Mike Mc- ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 42 Sun Feb 02, 1992 M.MINNIG at 02:56 PST Doug, my gateWay crashes when I try to use a RAM-OLD 128 driver. I have a 1750, RAMLink with RL DOS V. 1.40, C-128D. During MakeBoot, I answer "no" to the GEOS patches dialog box. The other RAM Disk driver works fine with this set-up. Also, is there a more recent RL DOS chip than the 1.40 that I use? If so, can you describe the improvements in the current RL DOS? BTW, my hardware has had all the known bugs that appear when RAMLink and a 1750 are used together. :/ Your loyal customer Michael ------------ Category 12, Topic 5 Message 43 Sun Feb 02, 1992 CMD-DOUG at 20:10 EST