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Our *FlagShip* 128 Conference with Fred Bowen:
Transcript from 2/23/1988:


From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe

Date: 02/23/88   Time: 23:57EST

Minutes:
<DEB> Hidy folks.
<SPARROW.J> Hi Deb
<SPARROW.J> Of interest to you and the Starship
<[pat] PBE> loren, I got that book we were talking about last week.
<DEB> (Is Fred any better at showing up than Jeff was...?)   ::grin::
<SPARROW.J> Yeah, he is
<SPARROW.J> great Pat, how do you like it
<[pat] PBE> not bad, but not much on the floating point I was looking for.
<SPARROW.J> I suspect he will be here soon
<SPARROW.J> Pat..I got some more floating point stuff from Fred this week
<SPARROW.J> leave me your mail address
<SPARROW.J> and I will send you a copy
<SPARROW.J> in the US mail
<SPARROW.J> It is 25 pages
<SPARROW.J> we are going to be publishing it in TC128
<ROY-FROST> is here.
<[pat] PBE> o.k. will leave email tonight.
<H.HERMAN1> is here.
<SPARROW.J> Hello Howie
<DEB> 'lo Roy and Howie!
<DEBS-GUEST> is here.
<SPARROW.J> Hi Fred
<ROY-FROST> HOWDY
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Deb and Roy!!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> How are things going Fred?
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Fred and Fred.....Howie Herman here....nice seeing you again
<[not THE Fred] F.MORRIS> Hi, Howie..and all
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Anyway i suppose we ought to get rolling...I thought we
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> would try this gig informal
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> so just pipe up, but be patient, Fred is only human (except
when it comes
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> wonderful code)
<H.HERMAN1> okey me start?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Sure go ahead, Howie
<H.HERMAN1> Fred, anything happening about a 31581 dis shell like #1571?
<H.HERMAN1> should be #1581 dos
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It's on my list (real far down, but on it none-the-less).
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Go ahead folks, don't be bashful
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Shoes for Fred !!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> anything cold and wet would do...
<[n.boyce] MERIDIAN> What's the word on DEV-PAK" and availablity of 1750 RAM
expansions...?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> 1750's, well... we be making them.
<[n.boyce] MERIDIAN> You don't be "shipping" them!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> DEVpack got here today, should be able to tell you how to
get them by next week.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, then I can get some docs, right Fred?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> We're actually pretty good at shipping things we make.
<[pat] PBE> fred, will the 1764 work on the 128 in 128 mode?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I got *my* first official DEVpack disk set & manual today.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The 1764 will work, but you should put a 370 (I think) ohm
resistor at R4.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah, but you knew all the commands
<[J.Guerdat] MERIDIAN> < -- Still getting DNR w/ 1581 & 1772 & J1 jumpered...!!!
<[pat] PBE> easier to wait on the 128 ones then, much at hardware work.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yeah, wait for 1750's- you want more RAM, not power, eh?
<[pat] PBE> yeap!
<J.A.FITCH> Fred I have instaled the upgrade rom's and I now have problems with
the machine
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Can you describe the problems?
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Fred what is the mps 1250 printer......upgrade from 1200?
?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What machine, what problems?
<J.A.FITCH> lanuage Monitor not switching banks.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not too knowledgable about printers.
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> ok...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> There were absolutly no changes in the upgrade ROMs to the
monitor...
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> upgrades to what ???? 1750 ??
<J.A.FITCH> 128Well that blows that theroy.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fitch are you setting the MMU registers or using the extra
hex digit
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> on the left
<[pat] PBE> did the basic jump table in page $af00 change in the new roms?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No changes to the jump tables.
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> 128 rom upgrades....eek.....haven't got the ones for
1571 yet....
<J.A.FITCH> Yes I am and I know it worked befor the rom change.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you are using RAM expanders, get the 128 ROM upgrades...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Just checking
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> why ??
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Maybe, Fitch, you gotta bum ROM???
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Upgrade ROMs fixed some short comings with DMA drivers.
<J.A.FITCH> Could be have to talk to my freindly service center about that.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred are those the changes outlined in the
<H.HERMAN1> Fred.......I still got prob with NO SCROLL.....(embarrassed)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Transactor a while back
<J.A.FITCH> Which chip has that pice of code in it ?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Yes, the ROM changes have been documented many places
(including DEVpack manual:-)
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The middle ROM, 318019, has the monitor.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred did you ever get a chance to play with the Free Spirit
ROMs?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> What's the problem, Howie?
<H.HERMAN1> went to track two, sector 18, but couldn't find it.....  :(
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> If so what did ya think
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No chance to play with Spirit ROMs.  Too busy with 640x400
bit maps.
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Fred....a generic question for us non "DMA" types....
Whats the best news for
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> 128 owners in the last 6 months.....??
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> RAMdisk and DEVpack?  They tickle me, anyway...
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> newer ramdisk that the one I got here a couple of months
ago ??
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Oh, and 64K video RAM for C128D
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There has also been some neat software upgrades
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> RAMdisk rev 4.3A is latest released.  (up to rev 5 in house
tho...)
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> great....will look for it.....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Paperclip III, and a new Fontmaster 128
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Any new "features" in Revision 5?
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> <---Waving to someone...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> We see you Billy
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Whew.....hate being invisible
<H.HERMAN1> "0D" no where to be found......
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> rev 5 adds copy, and copy with append type stuff, and
speeds up stuff.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Howie, I'll patch the disk you sent me & return it.
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Hey, how can you convert a tv to 80 columns??
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, would you outine that special "timeworks" feature..
the one that allows
<H.HERMAN1> thanks Fred..that will do it for certaian
<[pat] PBE> fred, what is the vector to use in page $0300 to get back to basic
after executing an added command?
<JDCLARK> Hiya, all!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> access to SEQ files in the r-disk software like relative
files
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hi JD
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Hi JD.....everyone seems to be busy....
<[pat] PBE> hey jd.
<JDCLARK> Hi, Loren!, Bill, Pat!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Billy..you are welcome to pipe, right in
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'll see what I can do to doc. F access, Loren.
<[Billy-Boy] B.HOTCHKISS> Naw...I'm gonna pipe out....later!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> After adding a command to BASIC, just rts will return to
main if you were clean..
<[pat] PBE> what do you mean by clean?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Clean: nothing left on stack.
<J.A.FITCH> What exactly is DEVpack ?
<[pat] PBE> oh ok i understand now.
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> good question....
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> DEVpack is a collection of tools we designers wrote for
editing/assembling 6502
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> It also has source code (like ZAP loader for C64) & sundry
C64 tools (like sprite editors).
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Any commercial stuff out that uses Basic 8's graphics ???
 or coming out ??
<JDCLARK> G.Tire--there will be...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Bush, there are several things on the way..Tom Brown has a
graphics program
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> comming, Lou Wallace and Dave Darus are working on a super
fantastic
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> desktop Publishing/Paint package
<H.HERMAN1> One comm'l program I have will run from ramdos, but its same speed
as 1581...
<H.HERMAN1> it uses relative files..is that the reason?
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> Well night all....Mr. J. tell Fred thanks for me........
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Tell him yourself
<[G.Tirebiter] W.BUSH> oh there he is ....thanks Fred and shoes for Industry !!
<H.HERMAN1> why ramdos is same speed as 1581
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Regarding RAMDOS speed...
<[pat] PBE> fred, does basic care if change MMU settings if you put them back
to bank 15 when your finished?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> souounds like you might have an older version.  It has been
sped up in rev 4.3A
<H.HERMAN1> I'll check it may not be the A version..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Version 4.3a is the one now on both GEnie and Quantum Link
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Can't vouch for P-link
<[ Dave] THX1138> I have heard so much of the 1581 drive, what is it?
<H.HERMAN1> GREAT!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Depend what MMU settings you change... in most cases it be
okay.
<[pat] PBE> just the shadow at $ff00.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No problem.
<JDCLARK> Dave--it's worth every cent!
<[ Dave] THX1138> what does it DO?
<H.HERMAN1> holds 800k and runs fast..
<[ Dave] THX1138> Does it use a differnt interface?
<JDCLARK> and takes 3.5 inchers...
<H.HERMAN1> serial connection
<JDCLARK> Nope--standard serial
<[ Dave] THX1138> Well that explains it
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Biggest difference beisides the disk media size and all
that goes with it
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> is that the 1581 has an 8K cache buffer which really speeds
it along
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you want to add anythin 'bout the 81
<J.A.FITCH> Why 800k IBM has 730k 1.2meg and 2meg how did CBM come up with 800k?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> partitionable, super side sectors for bigger rel files,
small, quiet.
<[ Dave] THX1138> but does it make your coffee in the morning?
<H.HERMAN1> Dave.it does that too
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well...if you use bad media...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Actually, 792K (k=1024) formatted capacity.
<JDCLARK> Fred, BTW, the VDC flicker prob was solved just as you recommended!
<H.HERMAN1> what flicker prob?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> yea!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, have you noticed any problems with RFI, since you put
the torroid in?
<JDCLARK> It's been great--display is brighter too!
<JDCLARK> Torroid?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you want to describe the problem/fix to Howie
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> ferrite bead
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> whatever
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> sorry
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Some 128D's (a very few) slipped out with a problem- 80 col
screen characters flckerd a bit.
<H.HERMAN1> oh....
<JDCLARK> Took the offending bead out altogether...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If this happens to you, you might need a smaller ferrite
bead (torroid) at FB106
<H.HERMAN1> mine flicker when I try using 50 lines in writer2...   :)
<JDCLARK> have a TV 4 feet away and don't see any problem...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Howie, I think the phenom you are describing is interlace
flicker
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Wait, is that the FCC knockng at JD's door...:-)
<JDCLARK> Fred, where can these beads be bought?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> that will not go away unless you have a multisync monitor
or a
<JDCLARK> Yeah--right behind the IRS!
<J.GREEN4> is here.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> high persistence monitor
<H.HERMAN1> something like the NEC for $900?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yea
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> They grow on trees on old abandoned iron mines, I think.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> So Fred when are we going to organize that Commodore
warehouse clearance
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I honestly don't know- probably some big electonic supply
places (not Radio Shac)
<JDCLARK> How would RFI manifest itself?
<[ Dave] THX1138> Yea!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> sale/flee market/picnic
<H.HERMAN1> <<always wanted to own an iron mine....or any mine>>
<JDCLARK> Can't find the buggers in the Jameco catalog...
<H.HERMAN1> huh?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Much of the stuff is gone- probaly a ile of plus/4's and
VIC 20's...
<JDCLARK> maybe I ought to saw the one I took out in half!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I got some great old Vic-20 cartridges...
<[pat] PBE> loren, send a list with the fp stuff maybe i'll buy some of them.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No way, PBE, my 3 year old loves the Vic-20
<[pat] PBE> mine is a 5 year old!!!!!:D
<H.HERMAN1> 3? I though you just had a baby?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, PBE is the guy I told ya about who wanted the FP info
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I did that too..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> or actually she did
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> but I helped
<H.HERMAN1> oh...great!!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> bet you thought all I did was sit at computers
<[pat] PBE> fred, how do you decode the bitmap of the tab stops?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> always willing to lend a hand...
<JDCLARK> You know what they say about those cold Minnesota winters...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> With my wife or floating point?
<[ Dave] THX1138> Well I'm off to the library...latter all...
<H.HERMAN1> how about both
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> (just kidding really)
<H.HERMAN1> bye dave
<H.HERMAN1> Fred..did Deb give you a permanent PW?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, i know you can activate the 8502 from CP/M
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TAB stops- just a simple bit map.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> but how do you activate the z-80 from the 8502 side?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> First FP's, now PW's???
<[pat] PBE> loren , there is a routine at the bottom of bank 0 to do that.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Loren, it's in the PRM- and some good examples can be seen
perusing the source cde.
<JDCLARK> Loren, I believe there was a Transacter article 'bout that...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> okay..think it would be useful for doing some math in a
co-processor type
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> WHo knows what evil lurks...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> scheme or do you think things would get kludged
<[pat] PBE> loren, it is at $ffd0 in bank 0 and z-80 to 8502 is at $ffe1 in
bank 0.
<JDCLARK> Fred, do you think it is possible to do 80 column bitmapped graphics..
<JDCLARK> from an interrupt?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> sure-
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hmm interesting topic...eh Fred?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Even lou was finally convinced...
<[pat] PBE> loren, the z-80 stuff is in the transactor, nov. 86 vol. 7 issue 3.
<JDCLARK> sniff for the editor on the stack?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Thanks Pat..
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> He was talkin a mile a minute when I left for home...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yes, Fred and Lou is going nuts
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> he called me and sounded like he was going to have an
orgasam
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> JD, if you're not doing text to the 80 col screen (you're
doing bit maps),
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> it's probably okay most of the time!
<JDCLARK> I was wondering about that...
<[pat] PBE> well, i got to go get the wife see ya'll later.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> You want to hit the hay Fred?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> got a few pretzels left...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Cool..
<H.HERMAN1> what is the story with chip prices?
<H.HERMAN1> the 4464 has doubled in 9 months
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Japan
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> and uncle Ron
<JDCLARK> make that Ron Reagan...
<H.HERMAN1> sanctions..still?
<CPX> HOWDY
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> The 'miga folks are really hurting since the
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> still can't say that word, Loren?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> memory upgrades they want are really going sky high
<H.HERMAN1> but we are paying for the sanctions not the Japanese
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> From what I here you are going to have to learn to say it
<JDCLARK> At the user group here you should have heard them bit**ing...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I call 'em Boingers...
<JDCLARK> about only having 256K...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Believe it or not I may actually buy one, there is this guy
who
<JDCLARK> because of sloppily written C code taking up all their RAM!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> is selling a used 500 for $300
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> >gasp<
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> that I might take up
<H.HERMAN1> Oh no..our leader is going over
<JDCLARK> uh oh, we're losing him!
<H.HERMAN1> i think so......
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> *NEVER* I was going to
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> give it to the wife
<JDCLARK> Someone bring Loren back to his senses!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Loren Boinger Sparrow.  Hmmm.
<JDCLARK> are we talking orgasms again?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, looks like I better pass on it, you guys sound upset
<H.HERMAN1> Loren  you multi task on two 128's now..what more can you want in
this life
<H.HERMAN1> what was that telephone number?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TC-Amiga
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yeah you are right..besides, I can get the same video-res
on a 128
<JDCLARK> Well, Loren, I may have to get one too--as a terminal for a VAX...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> >gasp<
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I'll pass on that Fred
<H.HERMAN1> hmm....like that..TC Amiga....or TC Amiga/128?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No Howie I would never make TC-128 a hybrid
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> it will always be just 128 only
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> TC-Amiga (tm)
<H.HERMAN1> JD....BTPRO mimics a vt-100 on 128
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Hello.....
<H.HERMAN1> Hi Allen
<JDCLARK> Herman, will need 4010 emulator...
<H.HERMAN1> phew..never heard of that one..
<JDCLARK> Tectronix--very high res graphics
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Anyone here familiar with CP/M?
<JDCLARK> (am taking new job)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, loves CP/M
<H.HERMAN1> Cp/M..yes..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> ask Fred
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> <ducking under desk>
<JDCLARK> I noticed another letter to Gazette...
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Fred, is everything you need for CP/M included with the 128 or
is there moere you can buy?
<[Allen] A.HAHN> err more
<H.HERMAN1> cp/m that's something for the computer isn't it?
<JDCLARK> someone wanted to run 128/Ami programs on their 64...
<JDCLARK> now that the 1764 expanded their Ram!
<H.HERMAN1> Allen all you get is the operating sys
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> what is wrong with that JD..I bet a lot of people would
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> More- DRI manual & extra disk utils & source code.
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Do I really need it to run prg. off GEnie?
<JDCLARK> if they could....
<H.HERMAN1> what program?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well, Allen for some progs you may need the latest update
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> If you have a 1581, you'll certainly want the May87 CP/M
version.
<JDCLARK> My question is why Gazette answers one of those every month?
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Any in the CP/M...
<[Allen] A.HAHN> the prg I mean....
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> which includes modem, RAM expansion, and 1581 support
<H.HERMAN1> there are several PD terms in CP/M
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There is several PD everything CP/M
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Lets say I want to run a Prg. called 'Library' how would I go
about doing it, when I only have the 128 mode working, because I don't
have a CP/M term.....
<H.HERMAN1> of youcan use BTPRO in 128 mode for CP/M stuff
<H.HERMAN1> library has to be unlibraried..
<H.HERMAN1> it is several files in one
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Its not a libraried file
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Allen, you need to download the programs either directly
onto a CP/M
<[Allen] A.HAHN> its just called library
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> disk, or use a utility to get it there
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How do I do that?
<H.HERMAN1> btpro does it
<[Allen] A.HAHN> What is BTpro......bobs term?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> yep
<H.HERMAN1> yup
<H.HERMAN1> i spelt it right!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Oh....great....gotta go out and scrape up $20....any PD stuff
that does it?
<H.HERMAN1> xlink2.1a also
<[pat] PBE> yea, there is a pd term here on genie that does it.
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Is that on here?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred..how do you write data to the Vic screen borders?
<[Allen] A.HAHN> What is it do you know?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> or is that in the PRG too?
<H.HERMAN1> should be here....i think
<H.HERMAN1> does cbm/ibm/cpm transfers
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Why would I d/l IBM files?  I can't use em can I?
<JDCLARK> only text.
<H.HERMAN1> ascii ones...yes
<DEB> Howie:  Big Blue Reader/CPM should?!
<H.HERMAN1> that's comm'l d
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred you asleep?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> zzz
<H.HERMAN1> xlink is a neat one...use it all the time
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How do I load files on CP/M? Just type the name?
<[Allen] A.HAHN> at the A> prompt?
<H.HERMAN1> yup
<JDCLARK> Any new 128 hardware in the works?
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Yea....The Lt.Kernal II....60 megs
<H.HERMAN1> for $300?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I wish
<JDCLARK> at 3x the price of 20 megs...
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Probably about $1700
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not by me... oh, the new 1670
<H.HERMAN1> egads!!!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> hahahahaha
<JDCLARK> I've got 10 megs in my 1581 disk cabinet...
<JDCLARK> (12 disks)
<[Allen] A.HAHN> How about the 1591?  2 megs for the Com-64 or 128.....uses two
900k Micro-disks
<H.HERMAN1> we do need a reasonably priced HD for the 128..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, VMI is exploring a hardware device to enhance C-128
graphics
<[Allen] A.HAHN> You mean that you have 10 megs all at once? Oragh.............
or do you just have 10 megs total on your disks?
<JDCLARK> really, co-processor?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> nope
<JDCLARK> (12 disks = 10 3.5 inch disks)
<[Allen] A.HAHN> oh.....ok
<H.HERMAN1> Loren did you get a LT?
<JDCLARK> okay--you've got my interest!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I have a Lt.Kernal 20 meg.....128 ver.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> No I can't afford one of those
<JDCLARK> what's the trick?
<H.HERMAN1> Allen how is it?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I just can't see paying $900 for a 20 meg HD
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> JD, I'll tell ya via email
<H.HERMAN1> I agree but it is the only show in town
<JDCLARK> Maybe all the TC128 subscribers should take up a collection for a TC
LT!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I like that idea
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Its awesome so far...works like a charm, except with CP/M.....
I'm having trouble transferring the system disk....
<H.HERMAN1> and raffel it off to subscribers
<JDCLARK> hee,hee!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I got my Lt. Kernal for $350
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Hmm, somewhere the idea just lost some appeal
<H.HERMAN1> how? can I?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Allen, i'll buy it from ya for $375!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> what a deal!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> Mis-print in the Montgomery Grant add...it meant to say $850...
<H.HERMAN1> $400 from here
<[Allen] A.HAHN> No way....I couldn't get another
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, I missed that one
<JDCLARK> Loren, have those new "SuperRom chips" come out for the 128D yet?
<H.HERMAN1> and they honored it?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> I have a set of them, but I don't know if they are selling
the 128D set yet
<JDCLARK> they have too--otherwise fraud!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> They had too...they didn't have any subscript about the ads....
.hahah they do now....
<[Allen] A.HAHN> They lost about 30 HD's that way.....
<JDCLARK> I'd love to know how transparent they are to commercial stuff.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred, your LT kernal worked pretty well with
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> commercial stuff didn't it
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> (want to get Fred back into the conversation since he is
our guest)
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Don't have that much stuff to try.  And what I got, I
didn't try!
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I.....hmmmm.....put California games on it....
<H.HERMAN1> don't you use it, Fred?
<C.MURPHY> how about supper base
<[pat] PBE> fred, where does basic put the string for DS$ and the number for DS?
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I gots 3 of 'em that I don't use.
<H.HERMAN1> do ya wanna sell one? really
<[Allen] A.HAHN> I'll buy one from you for $500 cash...I need another for my BBS
<JDCLARK> uh,oh
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> location 186
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Not mine actually- CBM's
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Besides I already offered
<H.HERMAN1> oh..... :(
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Anyway, Fred thanks a ton for stopping buy
<H.HERMAN1> Fred....really appreciate all your help..
<DEB> Allen:  if you're looking for something for a BBS, there are a couple
SFD's for sale on the BBoard.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Anyone wnna bootleg copy of JackAttack?
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred..i'd like to see that JackAttack
<DEB> Fred:  *I* have the CARTRIDGE for Jack Attack!  (and the package)  think
its worth anything?  <<grin>>
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> (well, *I* got about 20K of em!)
<DEB> Fred:   so lets give them away to *FlagShip* members here...!
<H.HERMAN1> oh no...yikes....
<H.HERMAN1> yea
<DEB> I'll give CBM a receipt for their taxes.  <laughing!>
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> let's ship 'em to Atari!!!
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> COD
<DEB> yea, but we already KNOW what Jack will do with them...!
<H.HERMAN1> is whats his name still there/
<H.HERMAN1> yea Jack Tre..
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Naaaa- deliver them personally.    From about 30,000 feet.
No 'shute.
<DEB> I can see the headlines now...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Film at 11
<H.HERMAN1> haha
<DEB> Atari Corp HQ bombed   no survivors.
<JDCLARK> "as God is my witness, I though turkeys could fly!"
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> No survivors???  That's good fer LOTS of bonus points!
<H.HERMAN1> oh no..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Devestation on Bourgeaus Ave....Sunnyvale mourns
<H.HERMAN1> LOL
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> So many pedestrians... so little time.
<JDCLARK> hee!
<DEB> Lots of bonus points and a higher level, too.
<DEB> I think JackAttack is a classic, more people should have been able to buy
it.
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'm really trying to resurrect it...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Well fred time to open that mail order company in the
basement
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> ACIA's, fast bus for 64's, hmmmm.
<DEB> UART?
<H.HERMAN1> who needs it...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I art, Uart, aren't we all?
<DEB> You could make your fortune in JackAttack sales alone....Jack might buy
them all.  <wicked grin>
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Fred the day you want any of those things to come to light..
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> you know the phone #
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Geez, I guess i really do think of money
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> frown
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Oh, I gots lotsa offers.
<H.HERMAN1> anybody care to talk..lets talk about jane
<R.WONG2> Say Fred you would'nt know if commodore has a couple thousand left
over C-16 Programmers Reference guides around would you? (I just ordered
one)
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Yeah I know... I think they all call me
<JDCLARK> Jane Pauley?
<R.WONG2> I just ordered a c-16 that is
<H.HERMAN1> Ms. Jane Software
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> The c16 PRM's were by Bantam or Scott Fresman Pub. or
something, not CBM.
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> There is a real estate company that gives away C-16s here
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> if you look at some lake shore property up north
<H.HERMAN1> do you have to buy the swamp land first?
<R.WONG2> I'm still wondering why i ordered it.
<JDCLARK> There's a bank in MD that gives them away with opening a checking
account...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> nope, just drive up North of Duluth
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> look at it, and take home the computer
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> Well gang, my feet are freezing, and I know just how to
warm 'em up...
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Have a good time Fred
<DEB> *SweetDreams* Fred!
<H.HERMAN1> have one for me!!
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> and it ain't sitting here, where there ain't nothin left to
eat.
<JDCLARK> Thanks for coming, Fred!
<[pat] PBE> thanks, fred!!!!
<H.HERMAN1> ditto
<[Loren] SPARROW.J> Thanks again Fred...
<[Fred] DEBS-GUEST> I'll try and keep in touch...