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- On Sunday, September 14th, Doug Barnes, Sysop on SPHINX joined us for some
- questions and answers about the CBM IEEE Hard Drives he has available.
- Doug used the DEBS-GUEST acct in this transcript.
-
- Minutes:
- <DEB> Welcome, Doug!
- <MINUTEMAN> Hello doug.
- <TIGLON.G> :right back:
- <[- Mike -] MIKEM> Hiya Doug!
- <JIM.MAC> Welcome Doug!
- <DEBS-GUEST> well this is a pleasure
- <DEBS-GUEST> i have been getting nasy remarks thrown at me all day
- <DEB> ooooo dear!! we can't have that_!
- <DEBS-GUEST> where shall we start??
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Bang the gavel!
- <[sickley] GARYW> at the beginning.
- <DEB> Doug...the floor is yours, this is your show! do whatever....
- <DEB> you'd like! does anyone need a refresher course on formal Conferencing ?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Hmmmmm well to start with i used to have a good friend name of
- Bill he is the "person" i have been buying the Hard Disk Drives from
- <DEBS-GUEST> We now have a new name for "person" not mentionable here
- <DEBS-GUEST> He had 500 "9090" Commodore disk drive and was about to throw
- them away and just sell the "innards"
- <DEBS-GUEST> I said "WHOA" let me put a message up on a Telenet board and
- maybe you can get more than $40 for the drives
- <DEBS-GUEST> I did and here we are except
- <DEBS-GUEST> he got green (like in $$$ ) eyes
- <DEBS-GUEST> after I sold 55 drives in 1 week ,he decided to search around and
- found a "wholesale" buyer in AUSIRALIA
- <DEBS-GUEST> Then when i asked for more drives he said o.k A week passed and
- no drives
- <DEBS-GUEST> I asked again he said O.K
- <DEBS-GUEST> another week passed and still no drives
- <DEBS-GUEST> i bugged him about the drives and my commitment to people and he
- said
- <DEBS-GUEST> "if you want the drives come and get them"
- <DEBS-GUEST> I did so last thursday, saw that they were loaded on a truck and
- flew back here
- <DEBS-GUEST> when they arrived on Friday I noticed that a lot of the boxes
- were "UNMARKED" so I opened a bunch
- <DEBS-GUEST> They were all "9060" drives and that was probably the reason that
- he wouldn't send me any, I wanted 9090s and he had spold them all
-
- [ed note: the Commodore 9060 drive is a 5 Meg IEEE hard drive]
-
- <DEBS-GUEST> so here we are I have a bunch of 9060s and only had 7 9090 out of
- the lot
- <DEBS-GUEST> To be fair I have called the people that were first on the list
- and said they could have 1 pof the 7 drives, no matter what the previous o
- reder was quantity wise
- <DEBS-GUEST> those drives are now comitted so all I have left iare the 9060s
- However there is a bright note to this who:e mess .We have found a plac
- e that has some 110 to 220 volt step up transformers. And thats about where we
- are so to speak ????"
- <DEB> Thank you, Doug, there are some questions already...Jim, you are first.
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, how will you price the 9060s?
- <DEBS-GUEST> the same I dont get any break I get $50 per drive!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> So what is that price? Done.
- <DEBS-GUEST> $395
- <DEB> Is that with or without the transformer?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Without-they can be purchased at ALLTRONICS in San Jose for $20.00
- <DEB> Doug...I'm a REAL know nuttin about hardware stuff...
- <DEB> is this transformer something *difficult* to do or just a small lil....
- <DEB> thing we can plug in?
- <DEBS-GUEST> It takes a little bit of soldering if you cant handle that we
- will do it for you no charge
- <B.DOHERTY> Can you describe the 9060 how many blocks free etc.. And how have
- you made out witj shippin g the BUSCARD II
- <DEBS-GUEST> The drive has 19144 blocks free and can be used with any type
- ieee488 interface the BUSCARD is the best that I have tried and the Quick
- silver 128 is ok but if you have it in your 128 you cant use CP/M/!!
- <BOBCRUSE> Will it have toggle device change option, if this has not been
- asked. ,ie;dip swithes..switches
- <DEBS-GUEST> No you can chnge the device number either under hardwre or
- software control!!
- <B.DOHERTY> Are we to assume you have these drives in hand and are shipping
- them now?
- <DEBS-GUEST> I am sitting in the middle of 16 of them that are formatting and
- the npoise is deafening they are 80 more in the storage area!
- <B.DOHERTY> hahaha
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, how many orders have you received. How many remain
- available as of tonight
- <DEBS-GUEST> Have bacorders for 37 and have had calls for 16 today whatever
- those numbers are subtracted from 96 looks like 43!!!
- <[Sailing Man] NATURAL1> Thanx....does it have capabilities to hook into a
- streaming tape backup?
- <DEBS-GUEST> I think not does your c128 or c64 have those capabilities??!
- <[Sailing Man] NATURAL1> yes
- <DEB> <<none was ever avail for the PET series of business computers, tho>>
- <[Sailing Man] NATURAL1> with the 8080 drive the port was there...but as deb
- said...none where made
- <DEBS-GUEST> Then you should be able to do a transfer from device to device
- just like any other drive The drives use 3.0 Commodore Dos!!!!
- <MINUTEMAN> How can we go about ordering one?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Call the SPHINXboard at 415 581 9452 and leave your name and
- address The drives will be deliverd by UPS The method of payment is Cert
- ified Check or Cash!!!
- <MINUTEMAN> thank you...done
- <DEB> Jim?
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, do you know of anyone that services these drives?
- <DEBS-GUEST> There are 2 people in this area and 1 at Commodore Headquarters!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Thanks ..done
- <DEB> Mike?
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Of the 9090 drives you have (had) was mine among them?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Mike who?? Man!!
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Mike Hooper Order date 8/21
- <DEBS-GUEST> I hav been trying to reach you today to ask you if you still
- wanted a drive but couldn't get in to your line forgot if there was no one
- at home or just busy!!!
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Busy! Yes I do!
- <DEBS-GUEST> You got it
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Thankee Muchly!..Done.
- <DEB> OK, Doug, let me recap...9060 drive for $395. extra $20 for transformer
- <DEBS-GUEST> Thats about the size of it
- <DEB> and it comes COD UPS, only certified check or cash acceptable.
- <DEBS-GUEST> You are right again very good thats twice!!!
- <DEB> <<what would you guys charge if I asked for a device switch???>>
- <DEBS-GUEST> What the hec is that????!!!
- <DEB> a switch to change devices so *I* didn't have to mess with it!
- <DEB> <<remember, hardware is jut not my thing....>>
- <DEBS-GUEST> For a permaanent change???!!!
- <DEB> yea, ya know, you can make it either 8 or 9 , etc.
- <DEBS-GUEST> We will make it whatever device address you want just specify!!!
- <DEB> ALSO, whats the word on buscard purchases ???
- <[sickly] GARYW> She wants a switch so she can change from 8 to 9 and back to 8
- <DEB> Gary...yea, and you all better be glad I *don't* try those things myself!
- <DEBS-GUEST> I have a thing now with Batteries I can buy for $60 + shipping
- and you can buy for same!!!!
- <DEB> thru you, Doug or direct from Batteries?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Through me Batteries charges $139 still I have to buy 50 pieces
- to get that price.!!!
- <DEB> Jim ... ga!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, I am curious how you first heard of the availablity of
- these drives.
- <DEBS-GUEST> From "person" that I spoke of That is his business he rebuilds
- Hard Disk Drives!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Okay, thanks!...done
- <DEB> Evidently 'he' got them from a liquidator?
- <DEB> Mike...your question?
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Are the IEEE to IEEE cables still available and at $20? (and
- in stock??)
- <DEBS-GUEST> I have 4 i to i lsft and will sell at $20 just asbefore I am
- looking for a way to get more made but havent succeded yet!!!
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Thank you. done
- <DEB> Doug...will you be in LA next week for the commodore show?
- <DEBS-GUEST> No waiting for it to come to me!!!
- <DEB> Bob...your question, go ahead.
- <[ Bob ] B.DOHERTY> Any chance you can get a deal going for QuickSiler-128 also?
- <DEB> <<February one comes to you, Doug>>
- <DEB> Bob....I've an appt withBob Skyles next weekend. willask.
- <[- Mike -] MIKEM> <eek>
- <[ Bob ] B.DOHERTY> Never one In Florida (central)
- <DEBS-GUEST> DEB>>> Person bought drives from TANDONCorp!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, How fast are these drives. Can you compare it with a SFD?
- <DEB> <<I can compare them....! I used to have one!>>
- <DEB> the CBM Hard drives seem a little faster than even SFD's or 8250's....
- <DEB> nothing to write home to mom about, tho. IEEE speeds are IEEE speeds.
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Okay, but nothing impressive I gather. done
- <DEB> Mike...?
- <DEBS-GUEST> Never having used an FSD no but their access time track to
- track is 3 milliseconds that is prety swift and they load a 122 block prog
- ram in 1,8 sseconds
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Doug, if you were swindled (as I gather) on the 9090s, you
- might want to make..
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> so if others have dealings with him, they can watch out!
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> ga
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> opps...(his name public)
- <DEBS-GUEST> OI wasnt swindled cause I dont own the drives just mislead !!!
- <DEB> Jim...speed of increase depends on the size of file. longer the faster..
- <DEB> for LOADS and such. seq reads/writes just a tad faster.
- <DEB> Jim...ga
- <DEBS-GUEST> The drives are as fats as the ones on a big blue AT!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, How about heat? Are there built in fans?
- <DEB> Mike...congrats on your shiney new 7.5 Megger,tho! <<grin>>
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> GFX<<< In 7th heaven!
- <DEBS-GUEST> There is a fan in the rear of the drive haven't noticed any heat
- problem but have noticed the fan noise!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Thanks the fan is comforting to hear about...done
- <DEB> They are kinda noisy!!! and I wouldn't keep them in a hot room.
- <DEB> <<Have I overlooked anyone's quetions?>>
- <DEB> go, Jim
- <DEBS-GUEST> deb>>> i missed tah one about 808 something from the guy with the
- tape drive what was that about??!!!
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> Doug, want to thank you for being here tonight, I have to run
- so good nite all.
- <[Jim] JIM.MAC> has left.
- <DEB> Doug...I wouldn't worry about it much, there were some pretty strange....
- <DEB> things in some old Pet peripherals.
- <[ Bob ] B.DOHERTY> not Monitoring.
- <DEBS-GUEST> wow imbraeking up !!!
- <DEB> Doug...thanks so much, really!!! We appreciate it, I will edit...
- <[- Mike -] MIKEM> Thanx Doug!
- <DEB> I'll edit this and post on both GEnie and Delphi tommorrow....
- <DEBS-GUEST> I am doing GARBAGEcollection!!!
- <DEBS-GUEST>
- <[ Bob ] B.DOHERTY> Thanks Doug
- <DEB> before youleave, Doug, is there anything else we can do for yu?
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> Any idea when you will ship mine Doug...I'd like to notify
- the users that....
- <[Mike] GRAFIX.M> have kicked in 1/2 the price (on my BBS).
- <DEBS-GUEST> my PUTERis down!!!
- <DEBS-GUEST>
- <DEBS-GUEST>
- <DEBS-GUEST> disconnected.
- <[- Mike -] MIKEM> Bye Doug!
- <DEB> now that *is* down!
- <[sickly] GARYW> oh well
- <[- Mike -] MIKEM> <Totally>
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