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- Topic 16 Mon May 18, 1992
- R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded)
- Sub: ZOUNDS!
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- Discussion of the freeware program ZOUNDS! (file #9499) which digitizes
- sounds and plays samples on your 128! (Yeah, yeah, this includes a
- hardware discussion too.)
- 9 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 16
- Message 1 Mon May 18, 1992
- R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded)
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- So, I finally downloaded Zsounds, and am suitably impressed! Also, I was
- very glad for the technical section in the documentation - I've always
- wondered how people did digitized sound with a SID chip (it's nowhere in the
- "official" documentation, or the Compute! programming manuals that I have, or
- the Abacus Internals books....) Now I know! How you can cheat and get 4-bit
- digitized audio out of the 128.
-
- (I guess the next step would be to build a board that is both input and
- output that has a speaker and an 8 bit D-A converter... :) .)
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- I am curious, what exactly is the zsounds format? I poked around a bit at
- some of the files, and this is my guess:
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- (note that byte # refers to in the file on the disk)
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- bytes 0-1 : Load address $0afd
- byte 2 : Sample constant (usually $64, or 100)
- byte 3-4 : Highest address of load (sample size + $0b00)
- bytes 5- : Digitized smaple (starts at $b00 as the documentation claims)
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- Here's what concerns me: according to the docs, Zsounds! can handle up to
- 98.5K smaples, using $0b00 - ($bfff?) in both RAM0 and RAM1. But, since the
- size field (bytes 3-4) is only 2 bytes long, how does it know if it has a
- <64K or >64K file?
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- Pretty impressive! Gotta love the 128.
-
- -Rob
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- Message 2 Mon May 18, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
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- Good questions :)
- I bet they will be answered in print sometime soon ;)
- I really don't know the hows and whys except the sound is so good.
- Live long and prosper and the sliding doors of Star Trek sound great.
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- I really couldn't believe it when I heard it. They sound better than
- any other sounds files I have heard through these speakers!
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- I still think the best programmers program on the C64 & C128.
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- Category 3, Topic 16
- Message 3 Wed May 20, 1992
- R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded)
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- Well, I think I figured out one of my questions:
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- None of the sound files I have do this, but in the docs there is a reference
- to how sometimes soundfile will be split into two: 0/<name> and 1/<name>.
- Well, I bet that the 0/ file is the RAM0 portion, and the 1/ file is the RAM1
- portion. Would make sense!
-
- Also, in the Robert Is A Goof department, I gave this topic the wrong name: it
- is ZOUNDS! and not ZSOUNDS! Whoops. JBEE, any chance you could change the
- topic name to make me look better? :)
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- Re: best programmers on 64 and 128- there certainly are some good ones! Ones
- with other programming experience, too. I also have this theory that some of
- the best C= programmers are in Canada. I asked Craig Bruce (a Canadian) about
- it, but he said he couldn't tell me, it was a state secret.
-
- (Hmmm... and to think Jim Collette will soon be very near the Canadian
- border....)
-
- -Rob
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- Message 4 Wed May 20, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
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- Done ;)
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- Message 5 Sun May 24, 1992
- HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded)
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- Rob,
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- I certainly agree with you that Canada has some of the best 64/128
- programmers.
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- My three Pocket programs were shipped from there. :)
-
- Howie
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- Message 6 Sun May 24, 1992
- C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded)
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- I believe the author of Paperclip iii lived in Canada too.
- Actually, I think Canada was the "mother" in a way of speaking, for
- the 8 bits in general.
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- At least we 50 states can lay claim to Geos and Zounds!
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- Category 3, Topic 16
- Message 7 Mon May 25, 1992
- J.WILSON38 [little JOHN] (Forwarded)
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- One reason for good Commodore 8 bit programers being in Canada they use C-
- 64's in schools. They didn't have an Apple Computer to give greate great
- deals to schools on their computers. They saw the real value of the C-64 and
- C-128. From what I here there are still some Commodore only stores in some of
- the bigger cities...like Vancouver B.C.
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- Message 8 Thu May 28, 1992
- G.CORREA (Forwarded)
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- I too had an opportunity to converse (via mail) with Craig Bruce-- He claims
- we are about to become the eleventh province. PCIII, Pocket, Zed, CS- DOS,
- Commodore Hacking, Transactor... there's gotta be something to it.
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- Category 3, Topic 16
- Message 9 Tue May 11, 1993
- M.NEUS [Neusoft] at 23:02 EDT
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- Hi there! I'm just now getting my stuff together adn stumbled onto this
- topic...naturally, I'm enthused! To answer some of your questions, the way
- Zounds! recognises a sample that spills over into ram(1) is this:
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- Location $0AFF indicates the last page of memory used, a page being the of the
- Address. Location 0AFE will be non-zero if the last page is in RAM1 In other
- words, if AFE=0 and AFF is $80, the sample ends at $8000 in RAM(0) If AFE=(non
- zero--$40 in reality) and AFF is $80, then the sample ends at $8000 in RAM(1).
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- Your assumption about 0/ and 1/ being data for RAM(0) and RAM(1) is correct.
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- I agree that many quality programs come from Canada, I'm a native Minnesotan
- myself, close to Canada, but not quite. While our schools never used
- Commodores, I wonder if it has something to do whith the long winter months!!
- :)
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- Topic 24 Tue Jun 08, 1993
- B.WINKLER2 [BMW] at 23:28 EDT
- Sub: Desterm2.0 pay before play?
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- Downloaded Desterm2.0. Boot prgm shows author and request for shareware.
- Resets to basic. Try to load main program stops at "error line 8207". If
- shareware needs to be sent first, where to. If not, what is wrong ??
- 3 message(s) total.
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- Category 3, Topic 24
- Message 1 Wed Jun 09, 1993
- R.JORDAN4 at 01:51 EDT
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- You may have a bad copy. Send me mail with your location (city/state) and I
- will see about helping you out... OR if GEnie will let me, i will upload the
- files to them again... either way, send me the mail.
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- GE R.JORDAN4
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- Message 2 Wed Jun 09, 1993
- CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 03:24 EDT
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- Uploading new copies of the program is no problem with GEnie. There
- is definitely a problem with the files if the boot program resets to
- BASIC after displaying the opening screen. It should immediately load
- and run the main program. Sounds like you got a bad download.
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- Category 3, Topic 24
- Message 3 Wed Jun 09, 1993
- CBM-MARK at 08:25 EDT
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- When I took a peak at Desterm I couldn't quite get everything setup the
- way I wanted and ended up saving and re-saving the various 'setup' files.
- For some reason (purposely by the author?) after a certain number of times
- resaving the 'setup' files I experianced the exact same thing! All appears
- to load Ok and suddenly I'm back in BASIC :/ On a hunch I scratched those
- 'setup' (sorry don't remember the filenames) and tried again. Guess what!
- Desterm loaded and ran just fine. Did find exactly which one of those files
- that caused the reset to BASIC but I no longer remember which one.
-
- Mark
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