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├OMMODORE ├65/├64─╪ INFORMATION FILE #2. ╞OLLOWING IS THE 2ND REVISION OF THE ├OMMODORE ├65 (64─╪) INFORMATION ╞┴╤ FILE. ╔ WAS REQUESTED BY ═ARKO TO ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE FILE, PARTLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT ╔'M ONE OF THE ├65 OWNERS. ═AINTAINING A ╞┴╤ IS SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW TO ME, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME ON ANY MISTAKES ╔ MAY MAKE IN THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT. ╞EEL FREE TO INPUT SUGGESTIONS, COMMENTS, ETC TO ME: GPAGE@NYX.CS.DU.EDU OR THE ALTERNATE SYSTEM ADDRESS: GPAGE@NYX10.CS.DU.EDU . ╧R, IF YOU WISH, YOU MAY ALSO REACH ME ON ╞╔─╧ ╬ET AS ╟EORGE ╨AGE ON ┌ONE 1, ╬ET 104, ╬ODE 518 -╘HE ╙ILVER ╚AMMER-(303)367-9701 ( IN ─ENVER,├OLORADO, ╒╙┴). ╫HAT FOLLOWS IS ═ARKO'S FIRST VERSION OF THE ╞┴╤, WITH SUCCEEDING COMMENTS APPENDED BY MYSELF. ╘HE ╞╘╨ INFO MAY NOT BE TOTALLY CURRENT SINCE ═ARKO IS ON EXTENDED ABSENCE FROM HIS SITE. ├OMMENTS ARE DRAWN FROM ╔NTERNET, ╞╔─╧ ╬ET, AND ╨EARAKO (├-╬┼╘128) ╬ET POSTS, AS WELL AS A FEW COMMENTS OF MY OWN ADDED TO THIS ╞┴╤ FILE. ╘HANK TO EVERYONE QUOTED IN HERE FOR THEIR INPUT. ╙UBJECT: ├65 ╞┴╤ ─ATE: ╙UN ─EC 26 17:39:05 ═╙╘ 1993 ╧RGANIZATION: ╒NIVERSITY OF ╚ELSINKI, ╞INLAND. ╠INES: 310 ─ISTRIBUTION: WORLD ═IME-╓ERSION: 1.0 ├ONTENT-╘YPE: TEXT/PLAIN ├ONTENT-╘RANSFER-┼NCODING: 8BIT ╚ERE'S THE ╞┴╤ FILE ╔ PROMISED. ╘HE ├65 TECHNICAL DETAIL POSTING BY ╞RED ┬OWEN WAS ARCHIVED ON MY ╓┴╪/╓═╙ ACCOUNT, WHICH ╔ DON'T USE MUCH THESE DAYS. ╞ORTUNATELY ╔ REMEMBERED TO CHECK IT. ╘HIS FILE CAN BE RETRIEVED VIA ANONYMOUS ╞╘╨ FROM FTP.FUNET.FI. ╘HE FILENAME FOR THE ╟╬╒ ZIPPED VERSION IS /PUB/CBM/FAQ/C65-FAQ.1.0.GZ, THE UNCOMPRESSED VERSION IS /PUB/CBM/FAQ/C65-FAQ.1.0. ╙O, HERE IT GOES: ├OMMODORE 65 ╞REQUENTLY ┴SKED ╤UESTIONS - ╓ERSION 1.0 ┴ROUND THE YEAR 1990 OR 1991, ├OMMODORE ┬USINESS ═ACHINES WAS PLANNING TO INTRODUCE A SUCCESSOR FOR THE FAMOUS ├OMMODORE 64, THE ├OMMODORE 65. ╘HE PROJECT WAS CANNED, MAINLY BECAUSE OF HUGE AMOUNTS OF SOFTWARE THAT PUSHED THE ├64'S VIDEO CHIP TO ITS LIMIT, AND DID NOT WORK AT ALL WITH THE NEW ├65'S VIDEO CONTROLLER, ├╙╟ 4567. ┴LSO, THE MACHINE MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOO EXPENSIVE TO INTEREST THE BIG AUDIENCE. ╔N THIS FILE THERE ARE A FEW ARTICLES CAPTURED FROM THE NEWSGROUP COMP.SYS.CBM AND FROM SOME OTHER SOURCES. ╔ HOPE THAT THEY WILL SATURATE YOUR NEED OF INFORMATION. ╘HIS FILE WAS PUT UP BY ═ARKO ═DKELD <═ARKO.═AKELA@╚ELSINKI.╞╔>. ╔ DO NOT HAVE A ├65, SO PLEASE DIRECT YOUR INQUIRIES TO THE COMP.SYS.CBM NEWSGROUP. ---------- ╞ROM: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM (╞RED ┬OWEN) ╬EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM ╙UBJECT: ╥E: ╫HAT'S A ├-65??? ═ESSAGE-╔─: <├─╔6U2.2UZ@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM> ─ATE: 17 ╙EP 93 14:56:25 ╟═╘ ╥EFERENCES: <AL170866.747909924@ACADEM01> <1993╙EP14.212254.1717@MNEMOSYNE.CS.DU .EDU> ╥EPLY-╘O: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM (╞RED ┬OWEN) ╧RGANIZATION: ├OMMODORE, ╫EST ├HESTER, ╨┴ ╠INES: 61 >(QUOTED FROM ╟EORGE ╨AGE) >╘O THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ├65 WAS NEVER PUT INTO PRODUCTION. ╔ >VISITED THE PERSON LAST WEEK WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE ─╧╙ OPERATING SYSTEM >FOR IT, AND SAW A PROTOTYPE OF IT. ┴CCORDING TO HIM, ═R, ╟OULD "PULLED >THE PLUG" ON THE SYSTEM SHORTLY BEFORE ITS' COMPLETION DATE. ╘HE ┬RITISH >MAGS HAD SOME COVERAGE OF IT IN PREVIEWS ABOUT A YEAR-YEAR AND A HALF AGO, >BUT THAT WAS THE END OF IT. ╘OO BAD, CAUSE IT WAS A DECENT LITTLE >CRITTER, WITH A BUILT-IN 3.5" DRIVE, AND A LOT MORE FEATURES AND MEMORY >AND SUCH THAN THE ├64. ┴PPARENTLY ╟RAPEVINE PICKED UP SOME ├65'S DURING ├OMMODORE'S LIQUIDATION OF ITS WAREHOUSE/STORAGE AREAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. ╫HAT IS A ├65? ┴ PRODUCT THAT ALMOST MADE IT OUT THE DOOR. ╫HAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE "ALPHA" PILOT-PRODUCTION UNITS. ╘HERE WERE ONLY SOMETHING LIKE 50 UNITS MADE, AND A DOZEN OR MORE OF THESE WERE DISTRIBUTED AROUND ENGINEERING, SYSTEM DEVELOPERS, ETC. ╧BVIOUSLY, THEY WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC, BUT... ├╨╒ ├╙╟65├┼02, RUNNING AT 3.54═╚Z ╥┴═ 128╦, EXPANSION TO └8═┬ ╥╧═ 128╦, INCLUDING ├65 MODE (V10.0), ├64 (V2.2) MODE, & ─╧╙ ╓IDEO ├╙╟4567 "╓╔├-╔╔╔" ANALOG ╥╟┬ WITH COMPOSITE SYNC ON EACH PRIMARY, SEPARATE ACTIVE-HIGH DIGITAL SYNC, COMPOSITE CHROA/LUMA, DIGITAL FGND/BGND CONTROL (GENLOCK) ALL ORIGINAL ├64 VIDEO MODES (40X25 TEXT, 320X200 BITMAP) NEW MODES (80X25 TEXT, WITH BLINK, BOLD, UNDERLINE ATTRIBUTES) TRUE BITPLANE GRAPHICS (╓╟┴ RESOLUTION): 320, 640, 1280 HORZ. PIXELS IN 8, 4, OR 2 PLANES 200, 400 VERT. PIXELS, NON-INTERLACED & INTERLACED ─┴╘ "DISPLAY ADDRESS TRANSLATOR" TO ACCESS DISPLAY MEMORY STANDARD 16-COLOR ├64 PALETTE PROGRAMMABLE 256-COLOR PALETTE WITH 16 INTENSITY LEVELS PER PRIMARY COLOR. ┴UDIO ╙TEREO ╙╔─ CHIPS ╦EYBD 77 KEYS, INCLUDING SEPARATE CURSOR KEYS, ┴╠╘, ┼╙├, ETC. ─ISK ┬UILT-IN 3.5" DOUBLE-SIDED, 1═┬ ═╞═ (1581 FORMAT) CUSTOM 4191 CONTROLLER WITH 512 BYTE BUFFER AND PARALLEL BUS EXTERNAL MINI-─╔╬ FOR ONE ┴1011-TYPE EXPANSION DRIVE. ACCEPTS ├┬═ SERIAL DRIVES (1541,1571,1581), FAST/SLOW/BURST ╔/╧ ┬UILT-IN ─═┴/BLITTER ┬UILT-IN 6511-TYPE ╒┴╥╘, SUPPORTS ═╔─╔ DATA RATE. ┴LL ├64 PORTS: PARALLEL, EXPANSION, ETC. NEW ╥┴═ EXPANSION PORT, ACCESSIBLE BY ─═┴ AND VIDEO CHIPS. ╔ GUESS THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW. ┬UT BE WARNED- THESE BOARDS ARE VERY OUT OF DATE- THE ╥╧═S, ╨╠┴'S, ETC. ARE PRE-PRE-PRE┴╠╨╚┴, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY ╬╧ SPARE PARTS (SO IF IT BREAKS, THAT'S IT!), ALL SYSTEMS ARE ╨┴╠ (BUT THEY DISPLAY OKAY ON REGULAR 1084-TYPE MONITORS IN ANALOG MODE). ╧H, AND THERE AREN'T ANY MANUALS. ╔'M SURPRISED THAT ╟RAPEVINE CAN SELL THEM AS "NEW" EQUIPMENT. ┬UYER BEWARE, AND ALL THAT. ┴LL THINGS CONSIDERED, NOT A BAD MACHINE, THOUGH. ╔ STILL USE MINE :-) -- -- ╞RED ┬OWEN UUCP: ...!RUTGERS!CBMVAX!FRED DOMAIN: FRED@CBMVAX.CBM.COMMODORE.COM TELE: 215 431-9100 ├OMMODORE ┼LECTRONICS, ╠TD., 1200 ╫ILSON ─RIVE, ╫EST ├HESTER, ╨┴, 19380 ------------ ═ESSAGE 60 ╘HU ─EC 23, 1993 ╥.─┴┘ AT 20:08 ┼╙╘ ╔ HAVE MY C65! ╟OT IT TODAY ABOUT 3 HOURS AGO. ╔ LOOKED AT HOW THE POWER PLUG HOOKS UP AND IT'S THE SAME AS THE 1581! ╧NLY IT NEEDS 2.2 AMPS FOR +5 VOLTS AND .5 AMPS FOR THE 12 VOLTS. ╔ JUST PLUGED IN MY POWER SUPPLY FROM MY 1581 THAT WILL ALL SO POWER 3 OTHER DRIVES. ╔T CAME UP THE 1ST TIME ON MY 1084 MONITOR. ╘HE 9 PIN PLUG PLUGS RIGHT IN AND THE ╒ SHAPED DIN PLUGS RIGHT IN. ╧NLY BLACK AND WIGHT IN 40 MODE BUT COLOR IN 80 MODE. LOOKS LIKE A 128 USING 40 OR 80 IN THE 80 MODE. ╘HE POWER PUPPLY THAT COMES WITH IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLUG ON THE END FOR THE POWER TO THE WALL. ╔NPUT SAYS 240╓┴├ 0.17┴. ┘OU CAN HOLD DOWN THE ├= KEY TO BE IN 64 MODE. ╙TEREO PLAYER WILL LOAD AND WORK BUT DOES NOT SEE THE 2ND 8580 SID CHIP. ╘HERE IS 2 OF THEM IN THE C65. ═Y GUESS IS THE 2ND ONE IS ADDRESSED AT $D480. ╔ WILL HAVE TO CHECK IT OUT. ╘HE BILT IN DRIVE IS A 81 SAYS 73,COPYRIGHT CBM CBDOS V1.0,00,00 ╘HE ONE IN MY ├65 DOES NOT WORK TOO GOOD. ╔ HAVE TO FIGGER OUT HOW TO MAKE IT A NOTHER DEVICE #. ┘OU CAN PLUG IN A ├= MODEM AND THE CARTRIDGE PORT WILL NOT FIT C64 OR 128 CARTRIDGES. ╔ THINK IT WOULD WITH A ADAPTER. ╘HE PINS ARE CLOSER TOGETHER JUST A LITTLE. IN THE C65 MODE YOU CAN TO IN A MONITER IT'S LIKE THE 128. ┘OU CAN EVEN SAY GO64 AND IT ASK ARE YOU SURE? ╔T GOES THERE RIGHT AWAY. ╘HE VIDEO IS VERY GOOD. ╔T JUST HAS A BORDER ON THE TOP AND BUTTOM ABOUT 1 INCH. EACH AND THE SIDES ARE A LITTLE SHOWING. ╙O THAT THE SCREEN IS A LITTLE WIDER. ╫ELL ANY ONE CAN GET THIS! ╩UST GET THE ╚─ POWER PUPPLY FROM ├═─. ┬UT THIS COST ╔ THINK $50. ╔T SHOULD PLUG RIGHT IN TO THE ├65! ╔ GOT MINE FROM A NOTHER PLACE AND HAD TO PUT A CASE ON IT BUT ONLY COST ME ABOUT $30. ╚AS MORE AMPS THEN THE ├═─ ONE TOO. ╫ELL ╔ WILL HAVE TO FIGGER THIS ONE HOW IT WORKS MORE BUT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A NOTHER 128 WITH A BILT IN 1581. ╘HE INSIDE ON THE BOARD SAID FOR SOME CHIP NAMES: ─═┴╟╔├, ╓╔├╘╧╥, ┬╔╠╠, AND ┼╠═┼╥. ╔T ALL SO HAS THIS: ╠┴╙╙┴/╟┴╥─┼╔/╬╔╬┼╙╨├┬/┴╬─╥┴─┼/╩╨/╘╠/╚═/╘├/├╫/╞╔╙╚/╚─/╟╘/─╞/┬╞/┼╘├ AND MINE SAYS ├64 ─╪ ╥┼╓ 2┬ COMMODORE ELECTRONICS LTD COPYRIGHT (C) 191990 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ╫ELL ╔ GUESS THAT'S ALL ╔ CAN SAY ABOUT IT. ╔T JUST TOOK THEM LONG TO GET IT TO ME. ╔ WILL HAVE TO CLEAN SOME OF THE DUST OFF THE KEYBOARD TOO. ------------ ╞ROM: RALPHEY@KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.╧┌.┴╒ (╥USSELL ┴LPHEY) ╬EWSGROUPS: COMP.SYS.CBM ╙UBJECT: ╔ HAVE A ├65!!! :))))))))))) ─ATE: 1 ─EC 1993 06:49:15 ╟═╘ ╧RGANIZATION: ╥OYAL ═ELBOURNE ╔NSTITUTE OF ╘ECHNOLOGY, ═ELBOURNE, ┴USTRALIA. ╠INES: 90 ═ESSAGE-╔─: <2DHEPB$1F0@AGGEDOR.RMIT.┼─╒.┴╒> ╬╬╘╨-╨OSTING-╚OST: KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.OZ.AU ╫ITH TREMBLING HANDS ╔ OPENED THE LARGE BOX FROM ╘HE ╟RAPEVINE ╟ROUP. ═Y WIFE GRABBED THE INVOICE AND SAID, "╫HAT'S A ├65 WITH BUILT-IN DISK DRIVE?". ╘HIS IS WHAT ╔ HOPED TO FIND OUT! "╘A-DA!" ┴ BOX FULL OF FOAM BEADS. ─IG, DIG, WHAT'S THIS? ╙OMETHING SOLID... ┴ND IN THE BOX WAS - 1 ─.╙.╟. PACKET, 1 PIECE CARBON PAPER - CRUMPLED, 1 LATEX GLOVE - GREY, 1 PACKET CONTAINING A 75 ╧HM CO-AX CABLE WITH IDENTICAL ENDS (THE SORT THAT PLUG INTO A ├64) AND A ╘╓-COMPUTER SWITCH BOX, 1 BEIGE POWER SUPPLY, WITH THE FAMILIAR ├= ON TOP, A 4 PIN ROUND CONNECTER AT ONE END AND A FLAT 2 PIN WALL PLUG WITH ROUND PINS. ╘HE UNDERSIDE HAS "╞╧╥ ├65 ╧╬╠┘ ╨╧╫┼╥ ╙╒╨╨╠┘". ╘HE WORD ├65 IS ON A STICKER. ╧H, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING IN THE BOX :))))))))))))))))))))) ┴ COMPUTER. ╬ORMAL ├= BEIGE COLO(U)R. ╦EY LETTERING LIKE THAT ON A ├128. ├OMPUTER IS ABOUT 18" BY 8", AND LIKE A FLAT 128, BUT NO SEPARATE KEYPAD (THERE'S A 3.5" DISK DRIVE THERE INSTEAD :). ╘HE DRIVE POINTS FORWARD, WITH THE EJECT BUTTON ON THE LEADING EDGE OF THE KEYBOARD. ╦EY LAYOUT IS AS FOLLOWS. <POWER <DRIVE LIGHT> LIGHT> ╥UN ├APS ╬O ╞1 ╞3 ╞5 ╞7 ╞9 ╞11 ╞13 ╚ELP ╙TOP ┼SC ┴LT ╠OCK ╙CROLL ╞2 ╞4 ╞6 ╞8 ╞10 ╞12 ╞14 <- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 + - # ├LR ╔NST ╘AB Q W E R T Y U I O P @ * ^ ╥ESTORE ├TRL ╙/╠OCK A S D F G H J K L : ; = RETURN ├= ╙HIFT Z X C V B N M < > / ╙HIFT ^ ...........SPACE............... < V > ╬OTE THAT # IS THE ┼NGLISH POUND SYMBOL. ┴LSO, THERE'S A SPOT WHERE A METAL PLAQUE COULD GO, LIKE ON THE 64S. ╧KAY, NOW FOR A TOUR AROUND THE COMPUTER. ╠EFT SIDE HAS A RESET BUTTON, ├ONT PORT 1 AND 2 (JOYSTICK PORTS), THE POWER SWITCH AND POWER INLET. ╥IGHT SIDE IS BLANK. ┬ACK HAS, (FROM LEFT AS YOU LOOK AT IT) A ROUND HOLE LABELLED DISK DRIVE (BUT NOTHING THERE), A VIDEO PORT (LIKE 128'S), A SWITCH (OR SCREW) LABELLED "╠ ╚", AN ╥╞ PORT, AN ╥╟┬ VIDEO PORT, A ╙TEREO PORT WITH ╥ & ╠ PORTS, A ╒SER PORT, A ├┬═ SERIAL PORT, AND FINALLY AN EXPANSION PORT. ╒NDERNEATH THERE'S A FLAP WHICH CONCEALS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A MINITURE CENTRONICS PORT, AND THE MANUFACTURER'S LABEL. ╔T READS - ├= COMMODORE ═ODEL ├65 ╨OWER 5V─├ @ 2.2┴ 12V─├ @ 5┴ ╙┼╥╔┴╠ ╬╧. 000062 :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ╞├├ ╔─ ╬╧. MADE IN HONG KONG ╞UNKENSTORT N.─┬╨-╓TG 1046/84 ╙O THERE YOU HAVE IT, A REAL? ├65. (╘HE :)))) ABOVE IS MY EDITORIAL COMMENT!) ╒NFORTUNATELY ╔ CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT ITS OPERATION YET, BECAUSE ╔ HAVEN'T FIRED IT UP YET (MAINLY DUE TO THE INCORRECT PLUG ON THE POWER SUPPLY). ┬UT REST ASSURED ╔'LL REPORT AS SOON AS ╔ DO! :) ╥ALPHEY. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ▄ ┘OU ARE NOW THE PROUD RECIPIENT OF A GENUINE ╥ALPHEY .SIG! ▄ ▄ ┴CCEPT NO IMITATIONS. RALPHEY@KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.OZ.AU▄ +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ *┼ND OF ═ARKO'S FIRST ╞┴╤, WITH SOME EDITING OF MY FIRST POSTS TO AVOID REPETITION. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ╙UBJ : ├65'S 4 SALE @ ╟RAPEVINE ╞ROM : ├RAFTSMAN @ 7-11 ╘O : ├RAFTSMAN ─ATE : ═ON 20-─EC-1993 4:56PM ╧RIGIN: ═ON 20-─EC-1993 1:38PM -------------------------------------- ╫ELL AFTER THREE MONTHS THE ├OMMODORE 65 FINALLY ARRIVED BUT NO THANKS TO ╒╨╙. ╘HE '%&'&%$ DRIVERS LEFT THE COMPUTER ON THE BACK STEPS ALONG A WALL WHERE YOU COULD NOT SEE IT. ╘HE POOR THING SAT OUTSIDE FOR SEVERAL DAYS WHILE IT SNOWED HERE IN ├OLORADO. ╫HEN ╔ OPENED UP THE BOX WATER CAME POURING OUT. ╘HANK ╟OD IT DID NOT SEEM TO EFFECT THE COMPUTER. ╙O FAR ╔ HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING AND HERE ARE A FEW OF THE FACTS ╔ HAVE LEARNED SO FAR. 1. ╘HERE ARE TWO MODES OF OPERATION A ├65 AND ├64. ┘OU SWITCH WITH THE COMMAND ╟╧ 64 OR HOLD DOWN THE COMMODORE KEY. 2. ╘HE ├OMPUTER DISPLAYS IN ╥╟┬ ANC ├OMPOSITE VIDEO FOR BOTH MODES IT USED THE ╥╟┬ ALSO (╓ERY SHARP ├64 ╙CREEN). 3. ╘HERE ARE TWO SOUND CHANNELS AT THE BACK OF THE COMPUTER (2 SIDS ╔ BELIVE). 4. ╘HE COMPUTER HAS BOTH 40 AND 80 COLUMN SCREENS. ┬OTH ALLOW SPRITES. 5. ╘HERE IS A 1581 STYLE DRIVE BUILT IN. 6. ╘HE COMPUTER IS APPROX. THE SIZE OF THE ├OMMODORE 128─'S KEY BOARD OR IF YOU TOOK A REGULAR 128 AND CUT IT IN HALF RIGHT ABOVE THE POWER LIGHT. 7. ╘HE KEY BOARD LAYOUT IS SIMILAR TO THE 128 BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENCES. ╘HE CRSR KEYS FROM THE TOP OF THE 128 KEY BOARD ARE MOVED TO WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THE KEYS ON THE 64. ╘HEY ARE LAIED OUT MUCH BETTER NOT STRAIGHT ACROSS. ╘HERE IS THE FOLLOWING KEYS ACROSS THE TOP ╥╒╬ ╙╘╧╨, ┼╙├, ┴╠╘, ├┴╨╙, ╬╧ ╙CROLL THEN ╞1, ╞3, ╞5, ╞7 AND FINALLY ╞9, ╞11, ╞13, ╚┼╠╨. ╘HERE IS NO ╦EY ╨AD INSTEAD THE DISK DRIVE IS THERE AND THE DISKS SLIDE IN TOWARD THE FRONT FOR THE COMPUTER. 8. ╘HERE IS A CARTRIDGE PORT ON THE LEFT REAR (╘HE ╨INS ARE SMALLER THEN A ├OMMODORE 64). ╔ DON'T THINK THAT AN OLD CARTRIDGE WILL RUN ON IT. 9. ╘HERE IS A REGULAR SIZE USER PORT. ╘HERE IS ALSO AN EXPANSION PORT THE BOTTEM OF THE COMPUTER ALONG THE LINES OF THE ┴MIGA. 10. ╔N THE ├65 MODE THERE IS A ═ACHINE ═ONITER. ╔T SHOWS THAT YOU CAN ╨ROGRAM FROM LOCATIONS 0000 TO ╞╞╞╞╞╞. ┴T THIS TIME ╔ DONT KNOW HOW MUCH RAM IS BUILT IN. ╔T ALLOWS THE USE OF THE ┬┴╬╦ COMMAND. 11. ╔ HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RUN NUMEROUS ├64 PROGRAMS ON IT. ╘╚E VERISON ╔ HAVE IS A ╨┴╠ ONE SO SOME OF THE GRAPHICS ARE MESSED UP MAINLY ON ─EMOS. ╫ELL ╔ KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT MORE TO IT THEN THE ABOVE. ╨LEASE EXCUSE ANY TYPOS. ╔F ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE ASK. ├╥┴╞╘╙═┴╬ ╞ROM: GPAGE@NYX10.CS.DU.EDU (GEORGE PAGE) ╙UBJECT: ╙OME MORE ├65 STUFF. ╪-─ISCLAIMER: ╬YX IS A PUBLIC ACCESS ╒NIX SYSTEM RUN BY THE ╒NIVERSITY + OF ─ENVER FOR THE ─ENVER COMMUNITY. ╘HE ╒NIVERSITY HAS NEITHER + CONTROL OVER NOR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OPINIONS OF USERS. ╧RGANIZATION: ╬YX, ╨UBLIC ┴CCESS ╒NIX AT ╒. OF ─ENVER ═ATH/├╙ DEPT. ─ATE: ╞RI ─EC 31 17:49:30 ═╙╘ 1993 ╠INES: 32 ╚AD MY HANDS ON A ├65 FOR A LITTLE WHILE TODAY, AND MANAGED TO GET A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED! ╘HE LOCAL USER WHO HAD ALREADY RECEIVED HIS CAME BY TO TRY IT OUT ON MY MONITOR, CAUSE HIS ┴MIGA ONE DIDN'T TOTALLY LIKE IT. ┴NYWAY, HIS IS A ╨┴╠ MACHINE. ╬O SERIAL NUMBER OR ╔─ OR ANYTHING ON IT, UNLIKE ╥ALPHEYS, WHO HAD NUMBERS ON HIS. ╧N MY 1084╙ MONITOR, IN 80 COLUMN ┴╬┴╠╧╟ ╥╟┬ MODE (AS OPPOSED TO THE DIGITAL THAT THE 128 LIKES), IT BEHAVED BEAUTIFULLY, EXCEPT FOR SOME MINOR FLICKER-ALMOST LIKE A REALLY MILD INTERLACE FLICKER. ┬╧╘╚ (YES ┬╧╘╚) THE 40 COLUMN 64 SCREEN AND THE 40 & 80 COLUMN COME UP IN FULL, SHARP, CLEAR, BRILLIANT COLOR IN THE MONITOR'S 80 COLUMN ╥╟┬ MODE! ╘HEY APPARENTLY DOUBLE THE PIXEL SIZE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT DOES THAT, TO CREATE A SIMULATED 40 COLUMN SCREEN. ╔N THE 40 COLUMN ├HROMA/╠UMA/╙YNC MODE OF THE MONITOR AND 64 MODE OF THE COMPUTER, IT JUST COMES UP IN BLACK & WHITE. ╔T RUNS ABOUT 85% OF THE TESTED ╬╘╙├ GAMES/DEMOS/WHATEVER WITH NO PROBLEMS. ╚AD MIXED RESULTS TRYING SOME ╨┴╠ DEMO'S AND GAMES ON IT. ╞'INSTANCE, RUNNING A PREVIEW OF ╠EMMINGS FROM ╞ORCE OR ╞ORMAT THAT HAD A ┼URO TITLE SCREEN ON IT CLEARED UP THE INTRO, BUT THE GAME TORE UP BADLY. ╧N AN ╬╘╙├ MACHINE, THE INTRO WAS THE NORMAL (FOR ╬╘╙├) ╨┴╠ GLITCHY, BUT THE GAME WAS FINE! ╘HE SECOND ╠EMMINGS DEMO THAT ╔ SNAPPED FROM THE MAGAZINE TAPE RECENTLY RUNS FINE ON BOTH MACHINES. ╫E RAN ╙TEREO-╙ID PLAYER ╓10/11 ON IT WITH A COUPLE OF SONGS, AND IT WORKED FINE WHEN WE SELECTED THE PROPER ADDRESS. ╫E TRIED, BUT WERE UNABLE TO ACCESS ANY EXTERNAL DRIVES THROUGH THE SERIAL PORT. ╚IS DID NOT HAVE THE "EXTERNAL DRIVE" MINI-─╔╬ SOCKET INSTALLED ON THE MOTHERBOARD. (╧H, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN WE WERE CONNECTED TO THE MONITOR FOR 80COL MODE, IT WAS THROUGH THE NORMAL 9PIN ─╔╬ CABLE THAT MY 128 NORMALLY USES). ╞ROM: ╠ONNIE ═C├LURE <╠═├├╠╒╥┼@DELPHI.COM> ╙UBJECT: ╥E: ┴ BIT MORE ├65 FOLLOWUP. ─ATE: ╘UE ╩AN 04 20:50:26 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ─ELPHI ╔NTERNET ╠INES: 38 ╔T HAS ARRIVED! ┴FTER SACRIFICING A GOOD DEAL OF TIME ╔ SHOULD HAVE BEEN SLEEPING (AND PAYING FOR IT THAT NIGHT AT WORK), ╔ LEARNED A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE ├65: ╞IRST, A 1581 POWER SUPPLY (AT LEAST THE ONE ╔ HAVE) *IS* SUFFICIENT TO POWER THE MACHINE. ╘HE POWER SUPPLY DOES GET QUITE WARM IN DOING SO, BUT ╔ WORKED AT LEAST A FEW HOURS WITH NO PROBLEMS. ╚OWEVER, FOR LONG TERM RELIABILITY (OF THE POWER SUPPLY), ╔ WOULD STILL ADVISE THE USE OF SOMETHING WITH MORE RESERVE, SUCH AS A ├═─ ╚─ POWER SUPPLY, OR A ╨├ POWER SUPPLY WITH A 4-PIN ─╔╬ GRAFTED ON. ╘HE ONLY FLAW ╔ HAVE FOUND IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MACHINE IS THAT THE RIGHT CURSOR KEY BINDS. ╘HIS WAS TRUE FOR ANOTHER PERSON ON COMP.SYS.CBM, AND IN HIS CASE, TURNED OUT TO BE A FIXABLE CONSTRUCTION FLAW. ╙INCE ╔ WILL BE TAKING MINE APART, ╔ SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMEDY THIS ON MINE IN MUCH THE SAME MANNER AS HE DID. ╘HE CURSOR KEYS ARE IN A INVERTED "╘" ARRANGEMENT, JUST LIKE THE ┴MIGA AND MOST MODERN ╨├ KEYBOARDS. ╘HE ├65 SCREEN COMES UP BEAUTIFULLY ON MY 1080'S SCREEN IN GLORIOUSLY CRISP ╥╟┬ ANALOG, WITH A DEEP BLUE BACKGROUND, AND WHITE TEXT, DEFAULTING TO 80 COLUMNS. ╘HE BORDERS ARE VERY SMALL, GIVING MORE SCREEN REAL ESTATE THAN A ├64. ╘HEIR IS A RAINBOW OF COLOR BARS AT THE TOP LEFT, THE "├╧══╧─╧╥┼ ├65 ─┼╓┼╠╧╨═┼╬╘ ╙┘╙╘┼═" LOGO, AND THE ┬┴╙╔├ 10 LOGO WITH THE REVISION NUMBER (WHICH IS 0.9XXXXX SOMETHING; ╔ FORGOT TO WRITE ALL THOSE NUMBERS DOWN <GRIN>). ╧H, AND IT ALSO SAYS "╬╧ ┼╪╨┴╬╙╔╧╬ ╥┴═ ╨╥┼╙┼╬╘". (╘HE ├65 HAS A HATCH ON THE BOTTOM ROUGHLY 3" X 6" [╔ HAVE NOT MEASURED IT YET] WITH AN EXPANSION CONNECTOR INSIDE, SIMILAR TO THE ┴MIGA 500 AND 1200). ╬OW FOR SOME INFO MOST OF YOU MIGHT FIND OF SOME INTEREST, BUT FELLOW AND FUTURE ├65 OWNERS WILL ESPECIALLY WANT TO TAKE NOTE OF. (═OST OF THIS MESSAGE WILL BE POSTED ON THE ├OMMODORE GROUPS ON ─ELPHI, ╟┼NIE, AND COMP.SYS.CBM). ╞╒╬├╘╔╧╬ ╦┼┘╙: ╞1 - ╘OGGLES FROM 40 COLUMNS TO 80 ╞3 - "─╔╥" ╞5 - ═OVES CURSOR TO BEGINNING OF PRIOR WORD (OR SPACE IF BLANK LINE) ╞7 - ═OVES CURSOR TO BEGINNING OF NEXT WORD ╞9, ╞11, ╞13 - ╬O APPARENT FUNCTION ╚┼╠╨ - "╚┼╠╨" ╘HE SHIFTED FUNCTION KEYS: ╞2 - ┼RASES ALL BELOW CURSOR ╞4 - "─╔╥ "*=╨╥╟"" ╞6 - "╦┼┘ 6" ╞8 - ╟OES IN MACHINE LANGUAGE MONITOR ╞10, ╞12, ╞14 - "╦┼┘ X" (X = FKEY#) ╔SSUING A "╨╥╔╬╘ ╞╥┼(0)" COMMAND GIVES A RESULT OF 57,085. ┴N ARGUMENT OF (1) GIVES 55,296. (2) GIVES 0, AND (3) GIVES AN ILLEGAL QUANTITY ERROR. ╨╧╦┼ 53280,X STILL CHANGES THE BORDER COLOR, BUT THERE IS A ┬╧╥─┼╥ COMMAND THAT DOES THE SAME (AND A ╞╧╥┼╟╥╧╒╬─ AND ┬┴├╦╟╥╧╒╬─ COMMAND, AS WELL). ╧NLY 1-16 IS ACCEPTED, IN BOTH 40 AND 80 COLUMN MODE, SO EVIDENTLY THE 265 COLOR MODE IS NOT AVAILABLE IN TEXT MODE (OR AT LEAST, IS NOT THE DEFAULT). 0-255 IS ACCEPTED IF ONE USES THE ╨╧╦┼, BUT IT ROLLS OVER AFTER EACH INCREMENT OF 16, RESULTING IN THE SAME COLORS. ╘╚┼ ╥┼╟╔╙╘┼╥ ├╧══┴╬─ ─┼├╔╨╚┼╥┼─: ╘HE ╥┼╟╔╙╘┼╥ COMMAND TAKES THE FOLLOWING FORM: ╥┼╟╔╙╘┼╥ X,Y,A,B,C X = 0 OR 1 (╔ DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DOES YET) Y = 0-255 (THE REGISTER NUMBER) A = 0-15 (RED VALUE) B = 0-15 (GREEN VALUE) C = 0-15 (BLUE VALUE) ╒NFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS NO EFFECT ON THE TEXT SCREEN, AND THE ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ COMMAND APPARENTLY HAS A DIFFERENT SYNTAX THAN THE ├-128'S ┬┴╙╔├. ╧╘╚┼╥ ╬┼╫ ├╧══┴╬─╙ ─┼├╔╨╚┼╥┼─ (AT LEAST PARTIALLY): ─═┴: ┴CCEPTS ─═┴0,─═┴1,─═┴2,─═┴3. ╔ DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS DOES, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT A VALUE OF 1 OR 3 FILLS THE SCREEN WITH "@" SYMBOLS. ╘┘╨┼: ┴PPARENTLY DISPLAYS A FILE (SEQUENTIAL) TO SCREEN. (╙ORRY FOLKS, ╔ DID NOT HAVE MY DISKS HANDY TO TRY THIS OUT). ╨┼╬: ╞ORM IS ╨┼╬ X,Y, WHERE X=0-2, AND Y=0-255. ─╨┴╘: ╞ORM IS ─╨┴╘X, WHERE X=0-63 ╟┼╬╠╧├╦: ┼ITHER ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ ╧╬ OR ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ ╧╞╞. ┘OU WILL NOTE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SCREEN, BUT ╔ DOUBT THIS WILL DO MUCH WITHOUT GENLOCK HARDWARE. <GRIN> ├╚┴╬╟┼: ╔ USED THE FORM ├╚┴╬╟┼ "├╚┴╥╠┼" ╘╧ "├╚┴╥╠╔┼" , AND IT DID NOT GIVE ME AN ERROR. ╔ SUSPECT THIS IS A TEXT EDITING COMMAND. ╞╔╬─: ╒SING ╞╔╬─ "├╚┴╥╠╔┼" GAVE NO ERROR. (╔N RETROSPECT, ╔ REALLY SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN A PROGRAM WITH ╥┼═ ├╚┴╥╠╔┼ IN IT AND THEN TRIED THIS. ╒╬╔═╨╠┼═┼╬╘┼─ ├╧══┴╬─╙: ╔SSUING THE FOLLOWING COMMANDS RESULTS IN AN "╒╬╔═╨╠┼═┼╬╘┼─ ├╧══┴╬─ ┼╥╥╧╥" (┬┴╙╔├ 10 WAS NOT YET FINISHED, FOLKS): ╨┴╔╬╘, ╨┴╙╘┼, ├╒╘, ╠╧├┴╘┼, ╙├┴╠┼, ╫╔─╘╚, ╤╒╔╘, ╧╞╞, ╙┼╘, ╓╔┼╫╨╧╥╘ ╘HERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHERS, BUT THESE WERE THE ONES ╔ RECORDED. ┬╘╫, IF YOU WANT TO SEARCH FOR COMMANDS, LOOK IN MEMORY, STARTING AROUND DECIMAL 9380. ╧╘╚┼╥ ├╧══┴╬─╙: ═ANY OTHER COMMANDS (SUCH AS ╫╔╬─╧╫) APPEAR TO WORK JUST AS IN ┬┴╙╔├ 7.0 ON THE 128. ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ ├╠╥ WORKS, BUT AS NOTED, THE STANDARD 7.0 SYNTAX FOR ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ OTHERWISE GIVES A SYNTAX ERROR. ╞ROM: RALPHEY@KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.╧┌.┴╒ (╥USSELL ┴LPHEY) ╙UBJECT: ├65 - MORE USER NOTES ─ATE: ╫ED ╩AN 05 22:20:56 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ╥OYAL ═ELBOURNE ╔NSTITUTE OF ╘ECHNOLOGY, ═ELBOURNE, ┴USTRALIA. ╠INES: 174 ╘HIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED IN ╞IDONET'S ├┬═ ECHO. ╔T HAS BEEN REPRODUCED, WITH SOME EDITORIAL COMMENT, WITHOUT PERMISSION! :) (595) ═ON 3 ╩AN 94 10:32P ┬Y: ┴LAN ╙HARE ╘O: ╟┼╧╥╟┼ ╨┴╟┼ ╥E: ═Y ├65 HAS ARRIVED.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ┴ND THE FIRST THING I DID WAS TAKE TO IT WITH A SCREW-DRIVER!! ╘HAT WON'T SURPRISE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME! ├OULDN'T DO MUCH ELSE AS IT ARRIVED WITH BARE WIRES AT ONE END OF THE POWER SUPPLY. ╫AS EXPECTING SOME PLUG, NOT THE RIGHT ONE, BUT ANY ONE, AS ╔ HAVE AN ADAPTER WAITING FOR IT. ┴NYWAY, AFTER PEEKING THROUGH CARTIDGE PORT (HMMM, BIT SMALL!) AND USER PORT, SOMETHING DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT IN THERE, SO HAD TO INVESTIGATE. ╞OUND WHAT LOOKS TO BE A CRYSTAL (28.37156) STUCK INTO ╒19, WHICH IS A 14 PIN SOCKET. ╬EXT TO IT IS ANOTHER SOCKET (╒20) WHICH IS EMPTY. ┴NYWAY, THIS CRYSTAL WAS 3/4 OUT OF THE SOCKET, AND ONE LEG WAS BENT AWKWARDLY, WASN'T TOO SURE WHERE THAT LEG BELONGED SO THAT ENTAILED A PHONE CALL TO ╥ALPHEY TO GET HIM TO PULL HIS APART AND TELL ME WHERE THAT LEG BELONGED. ╬OT WHERE IT WAS POINTING EITHER. ╟╨> YET. ╚AS ANOTHER "DISK DRIVE" HOLE IN ╟╨> BACK, BUT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A ╟╨> CONNECTION INSIDE FOR IT, UNLESS IT SOMEHOW HOOKES DIRECTLY TO THE ╟╨> MOTHERBOARD. ╧N THE MOTHERBOARD JUST INSIDE THAT 'DISK DRIVE' HOLE, IS A SQUARE AREA MARKED '├╬12' WITH 8 HOLES FOR A CONNECTOR OF SOME KIND. ╘HERE IS ONE ┼PROM AMONGST THE CHIPS, AND DAMN, ITS A 32 PINNER, SO ╔ GUESS ╔ WON'T BE PLAYING WITH THAT IN THE ╨ROMENADE! 3 OF THE CHIPS ARE RATHER LARGE SQUARE THINGOS WITH PINS ON ALL SIDES. ╧NE OF THESE IS CALLED ╓ICTOR, AND ANOTHER ┬ILL! ┴NOTHER SMALLER CHIP IS CALLED ┼LMER! ╘HESE ARE MARKINGS ON THE BOARD BESIDE THE CHIP. ┴NOTHER LARGE CHIP IS A 48 PINNER AND ITS CALLED ─═┴╟╔├. ╚AS THAT BOTH ON THE CHIP, AND ON THE BOARD. ╧H, THAT ┼PROM IS A 27├010 ┬╘╫. ╙OME OTHER MARKINGS ON THE BOARD ARE ├64 ─╪ ╥┼╓ 2┬ ├OMMODORE ┼LECTRONICS ╠TD LASSA/GARDEI/NINESPCB ├OPYRIGHT (C) 1990 ┴NDRADE/JP/TL/HM/TC/CW ┴LL RIGHTS RESERVED ╞ISH/HD/GT/DF/BF/ETC ╘HERE NOW, THIS THING MUST BE THAT ELUSIVE ├64 ─╪!!! ╧DD, CAN'T FIND A SECOND DRIVE IN HERE THO :-) ╟ETTING BACK TO THAT CARTRIDGE PORT THAT SEEMED SMALLER, WELL THAT WAS THE HOLE IN THE CASE THAT IS SMALLER. ├64 CARTS WON'T FIT THRU THAT, AND EVEN IF THEY DID, WELL NO GOOD, AS THE CONNECTOR INSIDE IS A 50 PIN AS AGAINST THE ├64'S 44 PIN. ╘HE VIDEO CHIP, AS NOTED IN ╞RED ┬OWENS MESSAGE IS A 4567. ╘HAT MAY BE A PROBLEM HERE, AS ╔ NOTICE THAT THE ╓IDEO CHIP IN ╒.╙. ├64'S IS A 6567, WHEREAS HERE IN ╧Z, WE GET THEM WITH A 6569 VIDEO CHIP. ╫ONDER WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND WHAT SORT OF A PROBLEM IT WILL CAUSE US. ╬O CHANCE THERE WILL BE A '4569' AROUND ANYWHERE :-( :: ╬OTE... ┴LAN DOESN'T SEEM TO GET THE "ROLLING SCREEN" PROBLEM THAT :: ╔ DO. ╫ELL, AFTER FINDING A USELESS PIECE OF ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT WITH A PLUG ON IT, AND A BIT OF REWIRING ON THE POWER SUPPLY - NORMAL LOOKING ├64 BRICK TYPE, SAYS UNDERNEATH...FOR ├65 ONLY. ╨EEL OFF THE ├65 STICKER, AND IT THEN SAYS 'FOR ├64 ONLY' HMMM. ┴NOTHER STICKER SAYS '+5 ╓─├ 2.2┴......+12 ╓─├ 0.5┴' ╫ON'T BOTHER SEEING WHATS UNDER THAT, ╔ THINK ╔ CAN GUESS. ╨LUGGED IT ALL IN, HOOKED UP A 1701, TURNED IT ALL ON......╬OTHING... ╒H ╧H! HMMM TRY THE 1084╙, AH THATS BETTER, A PICTURE, VARIOUS SHADES OF BLACK AND WHITE. ╧H YEAH, ITS GOT AN ╥╟┬ D PLUG, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP. ┘EP, THAT DID THE TRICK, LOVELY COLOUR... A BLUE SCREEN, AND AN ORANGE BORDER. ─O A ╟╧64 AND ITS JUST LIKE A 64 SCREEN, AND YET SOMEHOW DIFFERENT. ╨IXELS SEEM WIDER, THE ├= OPENING SCREEN SPREADS FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, WITHOUT THE NORMAL SIDE BORDERS, JUST A HINT OF THE BORDER, THATS ALL, AND ITS A WHITE BORDER TOO, NOT THE NORMAL LIGHT BLUE. .....═UCH LATER... ....NEXT MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (596) ═ON 3 ╩AN 94 10:59P ┬Y: ┴LAN ╙HARE ╘O: ╟┼╧╥╟┼ ╨┴╟┼ ╥E: ═Y C65 HAS ARRIVED #2. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ┘EAH, IT RUNS ╙╧═┼ ├64 PRGS. ┬ACK TO ├65 MODE.... ┬LUE SCREEN, IF A DISK IS IN DRIVE, ATTEMPTS TO AUTOBOOT, AND FAILING, CHANGES BORDER TO ORANGE. ╙EEMS TO CHANGE THE BORDER COLOR EACH TIME AN UNSUCCESSFUL DRIVE ATTEMPT IS MADE. ╘╚┼ ├╧══╧─╧╥┼ ├65 ─┼╓┼╠╧╨┼═┼╬╘ ╙┘╙╘┼═ ├╧╨┘╥╔╟╚╘ 1991 ├╧══╧─╧╥┼ ┼╠┼├╘╥╧╬╔├╙.╠╘─ ┬┴╙╔├ 10.0 ╓0.9.910111 ┴╠╠ ╥╔╟╚╘╙ ╥┼╙┼╥╓┼─ ┼╬╟╠╔╙╚ ╦┼┘┬╧┴╥─ ╬╧ ┼╪╨┴╬╙╔╧╬ ╥┴═ ╥┼┴─┘. ┬IT WORRIED BY THAT ╓ERSION # UP THERE, DIDN'T EVEN MAKE IT TO ╓ERSION 1 :-( ╧H, DID ╔ MENTION MY SERIAL #. ITS 000165. :: ╬OTE...MY POWER-UP SCREEN IS RATHER DIFFERENT! ______________________ ▄ RED BAR __/ ╘╚┼ ├╧══╧─╧╥┼ ├64─╪ ─┼╓┼╠╧╨═┼╬╘ ╙┘╙╘┼═ ▄_________________/ ▄_ORANGE? BAR__/ ├╧╨┘╥╔╟╚╘ 1991 ├╧══╧─╧╥┼ ┼╠┼├╘╥╧╬╔├╙, ╠╘─. ▄_LIME GREEN/ ├╧╨┘╥╔╟╚╘ 1977 ═╔├╥╧╙╧╞╘ ▄_WHITE___/ ▄_PURPLE/ ┬┴╙╔├ 10.0 ╓0.0┬.910429 ┴╠╠ ╥╔╟╚╘╙ ╥┼╙┼╥╓┼─ ╟┼╥═┴╬/┴╒╙╘╥╔┴╬ ╦┼┘┬╧┴╥─ ╬╧ ┼╪╨┴╬╙╔╧╬ ╥╧═ ╬╧ ┼╪╘┼╥╬┴╠ ╞011 ─╥╔╓┼ ╥╧═ ├╚┼├╦╙╒═ $┼96┴ ╥┼┴─┘. :: END NOTE. ╔T DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE ANOTHER DRIVE HOOKED IN ON THE SERIAL PORT. ╔ ATTACHED A DEVICE 9 1541 THERE, BUT IT WOULDN'T ACCESS IT. ┴LTHOUGH THE DRIVE LIGHT FLICKERS NORMALLY WHEN THE ├65 IS SWITCHED ON, WHEN ╔ DO A ╠╧┴─"$",9 IT RESPONDS WITH 'SEARCHING' BUT NO ACTIVITY FROM THE DRIVE AT ALL. ╥ETURNS WITH A 'READY' A FEW SECONDS LATER. ╠IST GIVES ME NOTHING. ╔F ╔ TRY A ╠OAD"$",10 ╔ CORRECTLY GET A 'DEVICE NOT PRESENT ERROR' :: ╬OTE. ╔ WAS ABLE TO ACCESS A 1571 AS DRIVE 11. ╚AVEN'T TRIED WITH :: OTHER DEVICE NUMBERS YET. ╙EEMS TO RESPOND TO A LOT OF THE ├128 COMMANDS. '╦┼┘' GIVES THE ╞-╦EYS. ╚EADER CORRECTLY FORMATS A 1581 DISK. ╫ENT SEARCHING WITH THE MONITOR AND FOUND LOTS OF COMMAND WORDS, MANY OF THEM AS FOUND IN THE ├128, SOME OF WHICH REACT THE SAME, SOME DON'T THOUGH. ╟RAPHIC WON'T DO WHAT ╔ EXPECT, CAN'T FIND HOW TO GET IT TO DO ANYTHING. ╔ FIND A NUMBER OF THEM GIVE ME '╒NIMPLEMENTED COMMAND ERROR' NAMELY:- PAINT PASTE CUT LOCATE SCALE WIDTH SPRDEF OFF SET VIEWPORT GCOPY PIC ╔S THIS COMMON TO THEM? ╥ALPHEY? :: ─UNNO. ╚AVEN'T TRIED ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO DISCOVER ALL THE "HIDDEN" :: KEYWORDS! :) ├URIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER VERSION NUMBERS, AND IF THERE ARE OTHER ROM NUMBERS. ═Y ROM HAS A 390488-02 STICKER ON IT WITH A PENCILLED LINE THRU THE 02 AND A 03 BESIDE IT. :: ═INE (ASSUMING HE MEANS CHIP ╒6) IS LABELLED ├64─╪ ─┼╓┼╠╧╨═┼╬╘ :: ╟┼╥═┴╬ ╨╔╠╧╘ @1, (├)1991 ├┬═, ├╙=$┼96┴ 910501 ┴NYWAY, THATS MY TUPPENCE WORTH! ├YA.........┴LAN & ╥ALPHEY! :) -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ▄ ┘OU ARE NOW THE PROUD RECIPIENT OF A GENUINE ╥ALPHEY .SIG! ▄ ▄ ┴CCEPT NO IMITATIONS. RALPHEY@KITTYHAWK.AERO.RMIT.OZ.AU▄ +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ╞ROM: GPAGE@NYX10.CS.DU.EDU (GEORGE PAGE) ╙UBJECT: ╥E: ├65 - MORE USER NOTES ─ATE: ╘HU ╩AN 06 16:42:25 ═╙╘ 1994 ╠INES: 20 ─URN-SOMEONE NEEDS TO GIVE ╞╔─╧ A THUMP! ╚AVEN'T RECEIVED THESE MESSAGES YET ON THERE! ╧H, WELL, IT'S LONGER TO ╧┌ THROUGH ╞╔─╧ THAN ╔'NET, RIGHT? ╚ERE'S MY ADDITIONAL BUNCH O' CENTS WORTH. ╞INALLY GOT MINE IN. ╬O SERIAL NUMBER OR OTHER SUCH LABELS ON IT, BUT ╔ DID HAVE A WARRANTY SEAL OVER THE SCREW HOLE (WHICH ╔ QUICKLY VOIDED)-HAD THE "LOOSE CHIP SYNDROME". KEYBOARD ACTING FLAKEY UNTIL ALL WERE PUSHED IN FIRMLY. ╘HE BUILT-IN ├65 MODE MONITOR ALLOWS YOU TO ACCESS ALL 255 BANKS. ╘HERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEW OPCODES IN THERE, THAT ARE USING THE NUMBERS OF THE OLD "UNDOCUMENTED PSEUDO-OPCODES" THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WARNED ABOUT. ╘HESE COULD BE THE REASON FOR SOME OF THE ├64 SOFTWARE NOT WORKING?. ╔ TRIED A NUMBER OF MY CARTRIDGES USING AN ADAPTOR BOARD ╔ HAD, AND FOUND THAT THE OLD 64 GAME CARTS SEEMED TO WORK ╧╦. ╚OWEVER, NONE OF THE UTILITY/FASTLOAD/SNAPSHOT TYPE CARTS COMMONLY AVAILABLE WOULD ACCESS THE DRIVE. ╔N FACT, ONLY THE LOWLY ┼PYX WOULD EVEN GIVE FUNCTIONAL MENUS. ╔ ALSO HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO ACCESS ANY OTHER THAN THE INTERNAL DRIVE. ═INE IS A ╨┴╠ MODEL ╔ GUESS, AND GIVES VARYING RESULTS ON ╨┴╠ AND ╬╘╙├ DEMO'S AND SUCH. ╘HE RECENT "THEPARTY" DEMO ON HERE AT LEAST SHOWED PART OF THE TITLE SCREEN, BUT THE TEXT NEVER SHOWED UP PROPERLY. ═ORE DETAILS AS THEY DEVELOP. ╔ ALSO DISCOVERED SOME SOLDER SPLASH ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD, AND A SHARP POINT ON A JUMPER JOINT THAT APPEARED TO PENETRATE THE PLASTIC SHIELD AND OCCASIONALLY CONTACT THE METAL SHIELD. ╞IXING THESE DEFECTS FINALLY CORRECTED MY FLAKEY KEYBOARD PROBLEM. -------------------------------------- ╙UBJ : ├65'S 4 SALE @ ╟RAPEVINE ╞ROM : ├RAFTSMAN @ 7-11 ╘O : ╥AMLINKER @ ┼MRG ─ATE : ╘HU 23-─EC-1993 6:16PM ╧RIGIN: ╘HU 23-─EC-1993 9:05AM -------------------------------------- ╘HE ├65 DOES HAVE A SERIAL PORT ON THE BACK SIDE BUT ╔ HAVE NOT ATTEMPTED TO HOOK ANYTHING UP TO IT. ╔T DOES NOT HAVE ANY DIP SWITCHES TO CHANGE DEVICE NUMBERS ON THE OUTSIDE. ╔T APPEARS THAT IT WOULD NOT BE ╩IFFY ─OS OR ╥AM╠INK COMPATIBALE (SOB SOB), BUT IT COULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE CHANGED TO WORK WITH IT. ╔ HAD TO OPEN UP THE COMPUTER BECAUSE ╒╨╙ HAD SHIPPED IT SO HARD THAT IT WOULD ONLY WORK WHEN IT WANTED TO. ╔ LOCATED THE PROBLEM. ╔T WAS A LOSE 16 ═Z TIMING CHIP. ╘HE COMMPUTERS BOARD WAS ONLY APPROX. 4 1/2 ╪ 11" LONG. ╔T DID NOT LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER ├OMMODORE 8 BIT COMPUTER ╔ HAVE EVER SEEN. ╘HE DRIVE READS 1581 DISKS FINE BUT ╔ DONT THINK ITS DOS IS THE SAME. ╘HE ├OMPUTER APPEARS TO BE ABOUT 85% COMP. WITH PROGRAMS FOR THE 64. ╔ DONT KNOW IF THE PROGRAMS THAT DONT RUN ARE BECAUSE OF BUGS IN THE COMPUTER OR BECAUSE THIS IS A ╨┴╠ VERSION. ┴NOTHER THING THAT ╔ TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST POST WAS THE COMPUTER WHILE IN 64 MODE DISPLAYED ITS PICTURE IN ╥╟┬ MODE. ╘HIS MAKES ME THINK THAT IT WILL RUN IN 4═Z MODE AND STILL SHOW THE PICTURE. ╔ CANT REMEMBER HOW TO PUT THE 128 INTO 2═Z MODE VIA PROGRAMING OTHER THAN THE ╞┴╙╘ COMMAND. ╔F ╔ HAVE THE 1902 ═ONITER IN COMP. MODE THE PICTURE IS IN BLACK AND WHITE. ╔ THINK COMMODORE WAS GOING TO COMBINE THE COMPOSITE PICTURE WITH THE ╥╟┬ TO MAKE MORE COLORS ON THE SCREEN (╚ARD TO EXPLAIN YOU WOULD HAVE TO SEE IT). ╫HILE IN ├65 MODE THE POKES THAT YOU WOULD USE TO TURN ON SPRITES ON THE 128 AND 64 ARE THE SAME. ╔T APPEARS THAT MANY OF THE MEMORY LOCATIONS ARE THE SAME. ╟OT TO LET YOU GO SO ╔ CAN PLAY WITH THE ├65. ├RAFTSMAN FROM GPAGE@NYX: ╔N RESPONSE TO ╥ALPHY'S QUESTION ABOUT HOW ╔ MANAGED TO HOOK UP ├64 CARTRIDGES TO MY ├65, HERE IS A CRUDE BUT FUNCTIONAL DIAGRAM & HOOK-UP INSTRUCTIONS. ╘HE DIAGRAM IS SHOWN LOOKING DOWN AT THE TOP OF THE BOARD, WITH THE 44 CONTACT ├64 CARTRIDGE CONNECTOR AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, AND THE 50 CONTACT EDGE CONNECTOR TO PLUG INTO THE ├65 AT THE BOTTOM. ╘HE CONTACTS ARE LABELED FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, WITH THE ├64 CON- NECTORS IN NUMERIC FORM, AND THE ├65 CONNECTORS IN ALPHA FORM. ╔N THE HOOKUP INSTRUCTIONS TO FOLLOW, ╔ USE ╘ AND ┬ TO MEAN TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE BOARD. ┬1 WOULD BE DIRECTLY BELOW ╘1, ┬A WOULD BE DIRECTLY BELOW ╘A, ETC. ╔T'S UP TO YOU AS TO HOW YOU WISH TO MAKE THIS THING (IF YOU EVEN WANT TO). ╔ WOULD GUESS EITHER ETCHING A BOARD, OR HAND WIRING WOULD BE SUITABLE. ─ISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO CONNECTORS IS UP TO YOU. (╫ITHIN LIMITS. ╘OO LONG AND ╔'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE PROBLEMS). (THE NUMBERING & LETTERING OF CONTACTS ARE MINE-NOT INDUSTRY STANDARD). 44 CONTACT "├64 CARTRIDGE SOCKET" END OF THE BOARD. ╔------------------------------------------------------------------/ ╔ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22/ ╔ / ╔ WIRES OR TRACES BETWEEN CONNECTORS GO IN THIS / ╔ AREA BETWEEN THE NUMBERS AND THE LETTERS. /--------/ ╔ / ╔ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y / ---------------------------------------------------/ 50 CONTACT "EDGE CONNECTOR TO PLUG INTO ├65" END OF THE BOARD. ╘HAT DIAGRAM WAS JUST TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC, HOPE- FULLY. ╔ AM DOING THE BEST ╔ CAN TO MAKE THIS LEGIBLE AND LOGICAL, BUT ╔ CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO YOUR EQUIPMENT CAUSED BY TRYING THIS! ╔T WORKS FOR ME, IS ALL ╔'LL CLAIM! ═INE IS ROUGHLY 9 ├═ TOTAL LENGTH, BY THE WAY. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ╚OOK-UP INSTRUCTIONS-AARGGHH! ╞IRST, ╘OP AND BOTTOM END CONNECTORS ON THE 64 CART END, LABELED T1, B1, T22 AND B22 ARE ALL GROUNDS, AND CONNECT TO TD, TY AND BY ON THE 65 END. (ALL 7 PINS ARE INTERCONNECTED). ╬OW FOR THE REST. (ACTUALLY RELATIVELY EASY, SINCE THEY'RE ALL IN ORDER) T2 & T3 (JOINED) TO TE & TF (JOINED) B2 TO BE B12 TO BO T4 TO TG T13 TO TP B3 TO BF B13 TO BP T5 TO TH T14 TO TQ B4 TO BG B14 TO BQ T6 TO TI T15 TO TR B5 TO BH B15 TO BR T7 TO TJ T16 TO TS B6 TO BI B16 TO BS T8 TO TK T17 TO TT B7 TO BJ B17 TO BT T9 TO TL T18 TO TU B8 TO BK B18 TO BU T10 TO TM T19 TO TV B9 TO BL B19 TO BV T11 TO TN T20 TO TW B10 TO BM B20 TO BW T12 TO TO T21 TO TX B11 TO BN B21 TO BX TA, TB, TC, BA, BB, BC, AND BD ARE NOT CONNECTED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ╚AVE FUN, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THE OLDER 64 GAME CARTRIDGES SEEM TO WORK (AT LEAST THE FEW ╔ TRIED), AND THE SPEEDLOADER/MEMORY SAVE TYPES DON'T WANT TO WORK. ╟EORGE. ╞ROM: ╠ONNIE ═C├LURE <LMCCLURE@DELPHI.COM> ╙UBJECT: ├65 ├OMMANDS ─ATE: ╫ED ╩AN 26 05:03:12 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ─ELPHI (INFO@DELPHI.COM EMAIL, 800-695-4005 VOICE) ╠INES: 138 ╘HE FOLLOWING INFO ON THE ├65 WAS PROVIDED BY ═.═ATTING (A LUCKY GUY WITH THE ├65 MANUAL): ============================== ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ - SELECT GRAPHIC MODE ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ ├╠╥ ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ COMMAND#, [,ARGS] ┬ASICALLY THIS IS A MODIFIED ├64-TYPE ╙┘╙ COMMAND, MINUS THE ADDRESS. ╔N THE ├64─╪ SYSTEM, THIS WILL REPRESENT THE ═╠ INTERFACE, NOT THE ┬┴╙╔├ 10.0 INTERFACE WHICH IS IMPLEMENTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM. [*** ╘╚╔╙ ├╧══┴╬─ ╔╙ ╙╒┬╩┼├╘ ╘╧ ├╚┴╬╟┼ ***] ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ ├╠╥ INITIALIZES (WARM-STARTS) THE ┬┴╙╔├ GRAPHIC SYSTEM. ╔T CLEARS ANY EXISTING GRAPHIC MODES, SCREENS ETC. AND ALLOWS A PROGRAM TO COMMENCE GRAPHICS FROM SCRATCH ─═┴ - ╨ERFORM A ─═┴ OPERATION ─═┴ COMMAND [,LENGTH,SOURCE(L/H/B),DEST(L/H/B),SUBCMD,MOD(L/H) [,...]] [*** ╘╚╔╙ ├╧══┴╬─ ╔╙ ╙╒┬╩┼├╘ ╘╧ ├╚┴╬╟┼ ***] ╘HE ─═┴ COMMAND DEFINES AND EXECUTES A ─═┴ OPERATION. ╘HE PARAMETERS ARE USED TO CONSTRUCT A ─═┴ LIST, WHICH IS THEN PASSED TO THE ─═┴ PROCESSOR FOR EXECUTION. ╥EFER TO THE ─═┴ CHIP SPECIFICATION FOR DETAILS. ├HAINED ─═┴ COMMANDS ARE NOT ALLOWED. (...) ─═┴ 3,2000,┴╙├("+"),0,─┼├("800"),0 ╞ILL SCREEN WITH "+" ─═┴ 0,2000,─┼├("800"),0,─┼├("8000"),1 ├OPY SCREEN TO $18000 ─═╧─┼ - ╙ET GRAPHIC DISPLAY MODE ─═╧─┼ JAM,COMP,INVERSE,STENCIL,STYLE,THICKNESS JAM 0-1, COMPLEMENT 0-1, INVERSE 0-1, STENCIL 0-1, STYLE 0-3, THICKNESS 1-8 ╞╥┼(0) MEMORY LEFT IN THE PROGRAM AREA (BANK 0) ╞╥┼(1) MEMORY AVAILABLE IN VARIABLE AREA (BANK 1) ╞╥┼(2) NUMBER OF EXPANSION ╥┴═ BANKS PRESENT ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ - ┼NABLE OR DISABLE VIDEO SYNC MODE & COLORS ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ ╧╬ [,COLOR#] ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ ╧╞╞ [,COLOR#,╥,╟,┬] ╘O ENABLE VIDEO SYNC MODE AND SPECIFY WHICH COLORS ARE AFFECTED, USE THE ╟┼╬╠╧├╦ ╧╬ COMMAND, AND LIST THE PALETTE COLOR INDICES (0-255) WHICH WILL DISPLAY EXTERNAL VIDEO ═╧╒╙┼ - ┼NABLE OR DISABLE THE MOUSE DRIVER ═╧╒╙┼ ╧╬ [,PORT[,SPRITE[,POSITION]]] PORT = JOYPORT 1,2 OR BOTH (1-3) SPRITE = SPRITE POINTER (0-7) POSITION(X,Y) ╘HE USER MUST LOAD A POINTER INTO THE PROPER SPRITE AREA ($600-$7FF). ╨┴╠┼╘╘┼ - ─EFINE A COLOR ╨┴╠┼╘╘┼ [SCREEN#▄├╧╠╧╥],COLOR#,RED,GREEN,BLUE ╥═╧╒╙┼ - ╟ET THE MOUSE POSITION AND BUTTON STATUS ╙├╥┼┼╬ - ╟RAPHIC COMMAND ╘HE ╙├╥┼┼╬ COMMAND IS USED TO INITIATE A GRAPHIC COMMAND. ╔T ALWAYS PRECEDES ANOTHER COMMAND WORD WHICH IDENTIFIES THE GRAPHIC OPERATION TO BE PERFORMED. ╙├╥┼┼╬ ├╠╥ COLOR# ├LEARS THE CURRENTLY OPENED GRAPHIC SCREEN USING THE GIVEN COLOR VALUE ╙├╥┼┼╬ ─┼╞ DEFINE A GRAPHIC SCREEN ╙├╥┼┼╬ ─┼╞ SCREEN#,WIDTH,HEIGHT,DEPTH SCREEN# (0-1), WIDTH (0=320, 1=640, 2=1280), HEIGHT (0=200, 1=400) DEPTH (1-8 BITPLANES = 2-256 COLORS) ─EFINES A LOGICAL SCREEN, SPECIFIES SIZE AND COLOR. ─OES NOT ALLOW ACCESS TO IT AND DOES NOT DISPLAY THE SCREEN. ╙├╥┼┼╬ ╙┼╘ - ╙ET DRAW AND VIEW SCREENS ╙├╥┼┼╬ ╙┼╘ ─RAW╙CREEN#,╓IEW╙CREEN# (0-1 BOTH) SCREEN MUST BE DEFINED AND OPENED FIRST. ╙├╥┼┼╬ ╧╨┼╬ - ╧PEN A SCREEN FOR ACCESS. ╙├╥┼┼╬ ╧╨┼╬ SCREEN#[,ERROR_VARIABLE] (0-1) ╘HIS COMMAND ACTUALLY SETS UP THE SCREEN AND ALLOCATES THE NECESSARY MEMORY FOR IT. ╔F IT'S THE VIEW SCREEN IT WILL BE DISPLAYED. ╔F IT'S THE DRAW SCREEN, IT CAN NOW BE DRAWN TO. (...) ╙├╥┼┼╬ ├╠╧╙┼ - ├LOSE A SCREEN ================================== ╔ HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO TRY ALL OF THESE ON MY ├65, SO THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE ONE OR MORE ARE UNIMPLEMENTED ON MOST OR ALL VERSIONS OF ┬┴╙╔├ 10.0 ╞ROM: C900CADE@W255ZRZ.ZRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE (╙IMON ╠AULE) ╙UBJECT: C65 - GRAPHICS INFO... ─ATE: ═ON ╩AN 31 04:45:35 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ╘╒┬ERLIN/┌╥┌ ╠INES: 87 ╚I! ╔N ADDITION TO THE INFOS THAT WERE POSTED LAST WEEK FROM THE C65 MANUAL, HERE ARE SOME _╥┼┴╠_ INFOS, TESTED ON MY C65 . ╥╧═ VERSION WAS 0.09.910111. ╧K. ╞OR DISPLAYING GRAPHICS THE FOLLOWING COMMANDS ARE NECESSARY: SCREEN DEF SCREEN#,WIDTH,HEIGTH,DEPTH - DEFINE SCREEN# AND RESOLUTION.. SCREEN OPEN SCREEN# - ALLOCATE MEMORY FOR SCREEN#... SCREEN SET DRAWSCREEN#,VIEWSCREEN# (NORMALLY THE SAME..) - DISPLAY SCREEN... ... NOW ALL NORMAL (BASIC 3.5/7.0) DRAWING CMDS ARE ALLOWED, LINE, ETC. ETC. SCREEN CLOSE SCREEN# - GIVE MEMORY FREE, AND DISPLAY TEXT SCREEN... ╔F, BECAUSE OF ╥┼╙╘╧╥┼-╬═╔, THE TEXT SCREEN REAPPEARS WITHOUT SCREEN CLOSE, ALL COMMANDS NORMALLY FAIL, BECAUSE OF LOST MEMORY. ╨OSSIBLE ╥ESOLUTIONS ARE: ╥ESOLUTION SCREEN DEF ═EMORY ALLOCATED 1280*400*1 2 1 1 - OK 64K 1280*200*1 2 0 1 - OK 32K 1280*200*2 2 0 2 - OK 64K 640*400*1 1 1 1 - OK 32K 640*400*2 1 1 2 - OK 64K 640*200*1 1 0 1 - OK 16K 640*200*2 1 0 2 - OK 32K 640*200*4 1 0 4 - OK 64K 320*400*1 0 1 1 - OK 16K 320*400*2 0 1 2 - OK 32K 320*400*4 0 1 4 - FAILED 64K 320*200*1 0 0 1 - OK 8K 320*200*2 0 0 2 - FAILED 16K 320*200*4 0 0 4 ╪ FAILED 32K 320*200*8 0 0 8 ╪ FAILED 64K - FAILED MEANS DISPLAY OK, BUT SCREEN CLR PALETTE# CRASHES SYSTEM - ╥┼╙┼╘ ╪ FAILED MEANS SCREEN SET CRASHES WITH BLANK SCREEN - ╥┼╙┼╘ ╔ DON'T KNOW, WHY THE LAST THREE MODES CRASH, THEY NEED THE SAME AMOUNT OF MEMORY AS THE OTHERS, 320*200*2 NEEDS ONLY 16K, BUT CRASHES... ┴NY IDEAS?????? ┴LSO ╔ DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MEMORY IS ALLOCATED, A PRINT FRE DURING ╚I╥ES BRINGS THE SAME AS WITHOUT.... ╔ THINK THE 128K ═ODES (320*400*8) WILL ONLY AVAILABLE WITH ╥┴═ ┼XPANSION. ┴NY SUGGESTION, FOR THIS EXPANSION???? ╘HE ═╧╒╙┼ COMMAND MENTIONED IN THE LAST WEEKS C65 ARTICLE, IS NOT AVAILABLE IN 0.09.91011, ALSO ╥═╧╒╙┼. ╟╥┴╨╚╔├ COMMAND# [,ARGS] BRINGS SYTAX ERROR. ╘HE SCREEN MODES USE THE COLOR PALETTE ╨┴╠┼╘╘┼ SCREEN#,COLOR#,╥(0-15),╟(0-15),┬(0-15) ├HANGING THE PALETTE WHEN DISPLAYING A SCREEN CRASHES THE SYSTEM... ╔ DON▐T KNOW HOW THE 1-7 BITPLANE GRAPHICS POINT TO THEIR PALETTE COLOR, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY A GREEN MONITOR. ╧K, THATS ENOUGH FOR NOW. ┴NY COMMENTS, HINTS ETC. PLEASE DIRECTLY TO ME, I WILL POST CORRECTIONS/ADDITIONS.... ╧H, AND ╔M STILL CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THE ╥╧═ VERSIONS OUT THERE. ╒NTIL NOW I HAVE MINE (0.09.910111) AND RALPHEYS (SOMETHING LIKE 0.0B.910429). ┴RE OTHER VERSIONS?? ╔M STILL LOOKING FOR VERSION 0.0B.910429 ON DISK, RALPHEY OWNS NO EPROMMER, SO HE CANNOT GET THE IMAGE...??? ┴NY HINTS??? ╧╦, BYE ╙IMON. ╙UBJECT: C65 [SIXTY-╞╔╓┼] ╞ROM: TPUG.SYSOP@CANREM.COM (╘PUG ╙YSOP) ─ISTRIBUTION: WORLD ─ATE: ╞RI ╞EB 04 12:36:00 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ├╥╙ ╧NLINE (╘ORONTO, ╧NTARIO) ╠INES: 232 ╙OME STUFF FOR THE C65 [SIXTY-╞╔╓┼] CROWD, ╬EWZ AND MORE ╤UESTIONZ! ╠ETS START WITH THE ═ONITOR; PC SR AC XR YR ┌╥ SP ; 000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 ┴ NEW REGISTER, AND OPCODEZ TO MATCH! ╠─┌ $0000 : ╠─┌ $0000,X ..ETC. ╘HE WHOLE FAMILY IS THERE WITH IT, ALL THE BRANCHES, COMPAREZ, TRANSFERZ ..ETC. [INZ, DEZ] ╫HAT IS MISSING FOR THIS ONE IS ┌ERO PAGE STUFF! ╬O; ╠─┌ $AA : ╙╘┌ $AA ..ETC. ┴SSEMBLING THIS IN THE ═ONITOR NETS THE ┴BSOLUTE VERSION; ╠─┌ $00AA. -------------- ┴LSO NOTICE THAT THE ╨ROGRAM├OUNTER HAS 3 BYTEZ/6 DIGITZ! ─ISASSEMBLING WILL ╫╥┴╨ TO NEXT ┬┴╬╦! DF0FFFE .F0FFFE B1 FA LDA ($FA),Y .F10000 FF FF 02 BBS7 $FF,$0005 ;GADZOOKX, WHAT'S THIS CODE..?! -------------- ╬EXT ARE SOME ╧P├ODEZ WE *ALWAYZ* WANTED! ╨╚┴ : ╨╠┴ ╨╚╪ : ╨╠╪ ╨╚┘ : ╨╠┘ ╨╚┌ : ╨╚┌ ┬╥┴ ;┬╥ANCH ┴LWAYZ! ╘┘╙ ;╘RANZFER Y TO ╙TACK ╘╙┘ ; ╙TACK TO Y ╘╙╪ ; ╙TACK TO X ╘╪╙ ; X TO ╙TACK ╘HERE ARE QUITE A FEW MORE. -------------- ╘HERE ARE MANY IN THE ╟ADZOOKX CATEGORY! ╘HE MOST BAFFLING ONE ╔ HAVE SEEN IS ═┴╨! ╒SUALY PRECEEDED WITH A LOADING OF A, X, Y AND Z. ╘HEN ═┴╨. ├OULD THIS BE CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE FRANKENSTEIN ══╒? ═IGHT BE NICE! ..OH, POSSIBLY THE ─┴╘ [─IRECT ┴DRESS ╘RANZLATOR]? ╚OW ABOUT ╘╥┬, ╘╙┬, ╬┼╟, ╙┼┼, ─┼╫, ╥╧╫, ┴╙╫, ├╠┼, ╨╚╫, ├╠╓, ┬┬╙7 $00,0000 ┬┬╥7 $00,0000 ╙═┬2 $00 ╥═┬5 $00 ^ ╘HIS VALUE RANGES FROM 0 TO 7, PROLL'Y BRANCHING ON BITZ ╧╬/╧╞╞. ╟OING TO NEED ╞RED FOR THIS STUFF! -------------- ╠ETZ GET BACK OUT TO ┬ASIC 10! ╘HE SHORTEST ╙TEREO TUNE AROUND; 5 VOL8 : PLAY "V1O1" :REM ╓OLUME CLOSE TO ├╘╥╠ ╟, VOICE AND OCTAVE TO 1 10 PLAY"C" : PRINT "[├╘╥╠ ╟]";: GOTO 10 ╘HE SOUND FROM PLAY AND ├╘╥╠ ╟ GO TO DIFFERANT CHANELZ ON THE ╥├┴ JACKZ/╙TEREO BUT MONO ON A MONITOR W/9 PIN SEPARATE VIDEO CABLE! -------------- ╞UNCTION ╦EYZ: 16 OF THEM. ╒SE THE C128'S ╦┼┘ COMMAND! ╙OME THAT ARE NOT OBVIOUS ARE ╞5/7, FORWARD/BACKWARD BY WORD OR COMMAND. ┴ SPACE OR COLON ARE DELIMITERZ! [├╘╥╠ U/W IS EQUIVALENT!] ╞9/10, ╙CROLL ┬ASIC ╨╥╟ UP/DOWN, WITH WRAPPING! [LAST <-> FIRST] ╔N THE MONITOR ..MEMORY DUMP UP/DOWN. ..DISSASSEMBLY DOWN ONLY! [├╘╥╠ P/V IS EQUIVALENT!] ╚┼╠╨ [╞15] HIGHLITEZ ERROR :BETWEEN QUOTES: IN ╥ED! --------------- ┴TRIBUTES: ╞LASH AND ╒NDERLINE ARE STILL WITH US. ├HARACTERZ CAN BE BOTH, JUST LIKE THE C128. ╘HERE IS AN ADDED _╞LASH_╒NDERLINE_╧╬╠┘_ !! ╔ HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT JUST WHICH ├╥╘╠ CODE ..YET. --------------- ┴LL OF THE C128 ┼╙├ SEQUENCES SEEM TO BE THERE. [┼╙├ I/D, INSERT/DELETE BLANK LINE. ┼╙├ A/C, ╔╬╙┼╥╘ MODE ╧╬/╧╞╞] --------------- POKE53280,.:POKE53281,. ;HAVE THE NORMAL C64 EFFECT ON THE 80 COLUMN SCREEN. ╙REEN UPPER LEFT IS 2048 FOR EITHER 40 OR 80 COLOUMN. POKE2048,. ;WILL PUT AN @ AT ╚╧═┼ POSITION. [$0800] POKE55296,. ;TURNZ @ TO BLACK. [$D800] ╨OKES TO THE 2048 TO 2048+2000 AREA WORK ON SCREEN AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, YET THE SECOND HALF OF THE 2000 DOES NOT AFFECT COLOUR MEMORY!! ╘RY; FORX=55296 TO 55296+1999: POKEX,. :NEXT ..AND THE LAST HALF OF THE SCREEN CHARZ WILL NOT TURN BLACK! ╒SING A ┬┴╬╦ COMMAND WITH LESS THAN 127 WILL DISABLE ALL OF THESE POKES! ---------------- ┬ASIC LOAD ADRESS IS 8193/$2001. [╔ LIKE THIS NUMBER!] ---------------- ╘RY THIS; SYS8192 ..IT WON'T MESS UP YOU ╞KEYS OR SCREEN COLOURZ! ---------------- C64 ├ARTRIDGE TYPE CODE LOADED IN C65 MODE WITH "8,1", THEN HIT RESET. ..BINGO! C64 CARTRIDGE AUTO-START. ---------------- ╘HE BUILT IN 1581 DRIVE ─╧╙ IS NOT DEBUGGED FULLY! ╠OAD AND SAVE WORK GRAND, A LITTLE FASTER THAN "41 MODE" BUT SEEN SLOWWER THAN THE ╙╙V5 TURBO OR ╩IFFY ─╧╙. ─LOAD/DSAVE AND THE MONITOR L AND S SEEM TO WORK FINE TOO! <SIGH> ╞ERGIT SCRATCH, VALIDATE, COLLECT ..ETC! ╓ARIOUS ┬┴═ CORRUPT/CLOBBERED TYPE ERRORS REPORTED! ----- ┴NY DRIVE ERROR INCREMENTZ THE SCREEN BORDER COLOUR IN C65 MODE, AND *ALWAYZ* INCREMENTZ THE BORDER COLOUR IN C64 MODE FOR ANY DRIVE ACCESS. "─EVELOPMENT ╙YSTEM" INDICATORZ ╔'D IMAGINE. ╥EALY ANNOY'N!! C64 MODE DEFAULT ╘┴╨┼ DEVICE IS GONE! <YEA┴╚!> C64 ┬ASIC ╥╧═ IS 100% INDENTICAL, EXCEPT FOR THE FILL BYTEZ IN THE $BF50 AREA. $FF VS $AA. ╤UITE A BIT IS DIFFERANT IN THE MAIN ╦ERNAL DUE MOSTLY TO DELETED ╘APE STUFF. ╘OO BAD THEY DIDN'T GO THE REST OF THE WAY, AND CHANGE IT TO ╠─╪ $BA INSTEAD OF ╠─╪ #$08. ═INOR POINT. ╔N C65 MODE WOULDA BEEN GREAT! ----- ┴T RESET WITH DISK IN THE DRIVE FILE "AUTOBOOT.C65*" IS LOADED AND ╥╒╬. ---------------- ┬ANK 020000 HAS ─RIVE ─╧╙, C64 ┬ASIC AT $02A000 TO $02BFFF, SOME ODD CODE RIGHT AT $02C000, *SOME* C65 CODE AT $02C800, CHAR-SET $02D000 TO $02DFFF, ╦ERNAL $02E000 ON UP.. ╬EAT BEING ABLE TO ACCESS C64 CODE IN C65 MODE ..HA╥! ┬ANK 03XXXX HAS C65 CODE.. ┬ANK ╞0XXXX HAS ╔/╧ STUFF.. ---------------- ╚ERE IS A FUNKY ONE, TURNZ YER WHOLE SCREEN INTO A FLASHING CURSOR!! ╞IRST INTO THE MONITOR W/╞8. ├LEAR SCREEN. TYPE: MF0D000 <AND RETURN> CURSOR DOWN TO: >F0D020 D6 D6 D1 D2 .... ^ ^ CHANGE THESE TO ZERO'Z, AND HIT RETURN. ╙CREEN COLOUR IS NOW BLACK. ╬OW CURSOR DOWN TO: >F0D0F0 00 ... ^ ^ ╨UT CURSOR THERE! ┬INGO! ┘ER WHOLE SCREEN IS FLASHING! ╩UST MOVE YER CURSOR OFF TO STOP IT! ---------------- ┴T SOME POINT SOME "UNDERLINES" *STAY'D* ON SCREEN AFTER ╔ CLEARED IT! ┬UG OR ╨LAN, DUNNO ..YET! ---------------- ]-[IGHLANDER ┬┬╙ IS SETTING UP A C65 FILE DIRECTORY AND MESSAGE BASE TO SUPPORT THE C65 CROWD ..SEE YOU THERE! [416+588+0922, ├=/┴╙├╔╔/┴╬╙╔] ---------------- ╘╨╒╟ IS STARTING A C65 ╠IBRARY.. [NOTHING YET!!] 5334 ┘ONGE ╙T. ┬OX #116, ╫ILLOWDALE, ╧NT, ├AN. ═2╬ 6═2 ---------------- ╘HIS IS GREAT FUN! ╠OTZ MORE TO COME OF COURSE AFTER SOME SERIOUS HEAD SCRATCHING! ..╔ WANNA SEE SOME OF THOSE ┼XTRA COLOURZ ╬╧╫! [╨LEASE PASS THIS ON..:] ____ ___ ___ / /__// //__ ╘ORONTO ╨ET ╒SER ╟ROUP / / /_//__/ 64/128 ┴MIGA ╨ET ├╨/═ ╓IC ..C65! ]>UG.. ┼ND OF ARTICLE 15101 (OF 15107) -- WHAT NEXT? COMP.SYS.CBM #15104 (3 MORE) ╞ROM: C900CADE@W255ZRZ.ZRZ.TU-BERLIN.DE (╙IMON. ╠AULE) ╙UBJECT: C65...ALL NEW OPCODES ─ATE: ╙AT ╞EB 05 06:17:58 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ╘╒┬ERLIN/┌╥┌ ╠INES: 132 ╔N ADDITION TO THE TPUG INFOS HERES A LIST OF _ALL_ NEW OPCODES, WITH SOME INFOS. ╔ WANTED TO POST THIS ARTICLE FOR WEEKS, BUT ╔ HAVENT ENOUGH TIME. SMALL X,Y,Z = ╥EGISTER , BIG ╪ ╚EX-╫ERT... ╧╨├╧─┼ ╬┴═┼ (FROM MONITOR) ┬┘╘┼╙ 02 ├╠┼ 1 ├LEAR ┼MULATION ??? 03 ╙┼┼ 1 ╙ET ┼MULATION ??? 04 ╘╙┬ $╪╪ 2 07 ╥═┬0 $╪╪ 2 0B ╘╙┘ 1 0C ╘╙┬ $╪╪╪╪ 3 0F ┬┬╥0 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 BRANCH ON BIT RESET (0.BIT) BBR0-BBR7 12 ╧╥┴ ($╪╪),Z 2 ( ALSO BBS0-7: BRANCH ON BIT SET) 13 ┬╨╠ $╪╪╪╪ 3 (JUST LIKE 65C02) 14 ╘╥┬ $╪╪ 2 17 ╥═┬1 $╪╪ 2 1A ╔╬├ 1 1B ╔╬┌ 1 INCREMENT ┌-╥EGISTER 1C ╘╥┬ $╪╪╪╪ 3 1F ┬┬╥1 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 22 ╩╙╥ ($╪╪╪╪) 3 23 ╩╙╥ ($╪╪╪╪,X) 3 ;NEW: ╩╙╥ X-INDIZIERT 27 ╥═┬2 $╪╪ 2 ;╥ESET BIT 2, ┌╨ 2B ╘┘╙ 1 2F ┬┬╥2 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 32 ┴╬─ ($╪╪),Z 2 33 ┬═╔ $╪╪╪╪ 3 34 ┬╔╘ $╪╪,X 2 37 ╥═┬3 $╪╪ 2 3A ─┼├ 1 3B ─┼┌ 1 3C ┬╔╘ $╪╪╪╪,X 3 3F ┬┬╥3 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 42 ╬┼╟ 1 NEGATE AKKU??? 43 ┴╙╥ 1 44 ┴╙╥ $╪╪ 2 47 ╥═┬4 $╪╪ 2 4B ╘┴┌ 1 ;TRANSFER AKKU -> Z-REGISTER 4F ┬┬╥4 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 52 ┼╧╥ ($╪╪),Z 2 53 ┬╓├ $╪╪╪╪ 3 54 ┴╙╥ $╪╪,X 2 57 ╥═┬5 $╪╪ 2 5A ╨╚┘ 1 5B ╘┴┬ 1 5C ═┴╨ 1 5F ┬┬╥5 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 62 ╥╘╙ #$╪╪ 2 63 ┬╙╥ $╪╪╪╪ 3 64 ╙╘┌ $╪╪ 2 ;TRIVIA 67 ╥═┬6 $╪╪ 2 6B ╘┌┴ 1 ;TRANSFER Z-REG -> AKKU 6F ┬┬╥6 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 72 ┴─├ ($╪╪),Z 2 73 ┬╓╙ $╪╪╪╪ 3 74 ╙╘┌ $╪╪,X 2 77 ╥═┬7 $╪╪ 2 7A ╨╠┘ 1 ; PULL FROM STACK IN Y-REGISTER 7B ╘┬┴ 1 7C ╩═╨ ($╪╪╪╪,X) 3 7F ┬┬╥7 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 80 ┬╥┴ $╪╪ 2 ;BRANCH ALWAYS (RELATIV) 82 ╙╘┴ ($╪╪,╙╨),Y 2 ╙╨ - ╙TACK╨OINTER, LIKE 65C816 83 ┬╥┴ $╪╪╪╪ 3 ;BRANCH ALWAYS ( DIREKT OR RELATIV LONG) 87 ╙═┬0 $╪╪ 2 ;SET BIT 0, ┌╨ 89 ┬╔╘ #$╪╪ 2 8B ╙╘┘ $╪╪╪╪,X 3 8F ┬┬╙0 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 92 ╙╘┴ ($╪╪),Z 2 93 ┬├├ $╪╪╪╪ 3 97 ╙═┬1 $╪╪ 2 9B ╙╘╪ $╪╪╪╪,Y 3 9C ╙╘┌ $╪╪╪╪ 3 9E ╙╘┌ $╪╪╪╪,X 3 9F ┬┬╙1 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 A3 ╠─┌ #$╪╪ 2 A7 ╙═┬2 $╪╪ 2 AB ╠─┌ $╪╪╪╪ 3 AF ┬┬╙2 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 B2 ╠─┴ ($╪╪),Z 2 B3 ┬├╙ $╪╪╪╪ 3 B7 ╙═┬3 $╪╪ 2 BB ╠─┌ $╪╪╪╪,X 3 BF ┬┬╙3 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 C2 ├╨┌ #$╪╪ 2 C3 ─┼╫ $╪╪ 2 C7 ╙═┬4 $╪╪ 2 CB ┴╙╫ $╪╪╪╪ 3 CF ┬┬╙4 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 D2 ├═╨ ($╪╪),Z 2 D3 ┬╬┼ $╪╪╪╪ 3 D4 ├╨┌ $╪╪ 2 D7 ╙═┬5 $╪╪ 2 DA ╨╚╪ 1 DB ╨╚┌ 1 DC ├╨┌ $╪╪╪╪ 3 DF ┬┬╙5 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 E2 ╠─┴ ($╪╪,╙╨),Y 2 E3 ╔╬╫ $╪╪ 2 E7 ╙═┬6 $╪╪ 2 EB ╥╧╫ $╪╪╪╪ 3 EF ┬┬╙6 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 F2 ╙┬├ ($╪╪),Z 2 F3 ┬┼╤ $╪╪╪╪ 3 F4 ╨╚╫ #$╪╪╪╪ 3 F7 ╙═┬7 $╪╪ 2 FA ╨╠╪ 1 FB ╨╠┌ 1 FC ╨╚╫ $╪╪╪╪ 3 FF ┬┬╙7 $╪╪,$╪╪╪╪ 3 ╧K, ╔ KNOW ALL THOSE Z-╥EGISTER COMMANDS, BUT THERE ARE SOME ╔ DONT KNOW, LIKE ┬┬╙0-┬┬╙7. ┴LSO THERE ARE THE ╫ COMMANDS (─┼╫, ╥╧╫, ...). ╠OKKS LIKE THEY ARE ╫╧╥─ (16 BIT) COMMANDS, WORKING ON STACK AND/OR ZEROPAGE,. ┴NOTHER QUESTION IS THE ╨├, IS IT TRUE 24 ┬IT OR NOT?? ├OULD BE THE ┬ COMMANDS (╘╥┬,..) WORKING DIRECTLY ON THE BANK REGISTER.?? ╔'M STILL LOOKING FORWARD FOR AN ANSWER BY ╞RED ┬OWEN, POSTING THE 4510 DATA-SHEET.... ╨LEASE POST ANY CHANGES, SUGGESTIONS TO THIS LIST DIRECTLY TO ME... ╔ WILL CORRECT AND POST IT AGAIN. ┴NY TEST PROGRAMS, FOR BANK SWITCHING ARE WELCOME... ┬YE, ╙IMON. ┼ND OF ARTICLE 15104 (OF 15107) -- WHAT NEXT? ╞ROM: ╫ALTER.╚ARMS@ARBI.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE (╫ALTER ╚ARMS) ╙UBJECT: ╥E: ├OMMODORE ╨RODUCTS ╠IST 1-19-94 ╧RGANIZATION: ╒NIVERSITY OF ╧LDENBURG, ╟ERMANY ─ATE: ╘HU ╞EB 03 04:48:48 ═╙╘ 1994 ╠INES: 17 ┬╘╫: ╔ SAW ┴ ├65 (RPT ├65!). ╔ WOULDNT HAVE BELIEVED IT. THE GUY TOLD MY THAT CA 1000 WHERE PRODUCED... ...FOR THE GERMAN-READERS: ╔TS ON SALE AT THE ╚╧┬┬┘╘╥╧╬╔├ IN ─╧╥╘═╒╬─ (IT WAS YESTERDAY) COSTS 998.-─═ (CA 500$). THERE WHERE A SPEED-UP-KIT FOR THE C64 TO 8═HZ AVAILABLE TOO. WALTER -------------------------------------------- GPAGE NOTE: WE IN THE ╒.╙. FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE COMPUTERS THROUGH AN AD PLACED IN A FEW MAGAZINES BY ╘HE ╟RAPEVINE ╟ROUP BACK IN ╙EP/╧CT '93. ╘HEY WERE ORIGINALLY LISTED AT (╒╙$)95.50, BUT THE PRICE WAS QUICKLY SHIFTED TO $129, POSSIBLY DUE TO THEIR EXTRA EXPENSE OF TRYING TO FIND SUITABLE POWER SUPPLIES(?). ╘HE FIRST SMALL BATCH THEY SOLD WERE ╬╘╙├, AND THE REST APPARENTLY WERE ╨┴╠, WITH LETTERS BEING MAILED OUT TO ALLOW ╒.╙. BUYERS TO CANCEL. ╘HEY ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN ╬╘╙├ CHIPS FROM ├┬═, BUT WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. ╔ HAD ORDERED MINE WHEN ╔ FIRST HEARD ABOUT THEM, ON 15╙EP93. ╔ FINALLY RECEIVED IT THE 2ND WEEK OF ╩AN'94. ╔ AM STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT JUST HOW MANY WERE PRODUCED AND MADE AVAILABLE. ┴ ╟RAPEVINE SPOKES- PERSON GUESSED "ABOUT 300", ╞RED ┬OWEN SAID ABOUT 50, AND THE ╟ERMAN SOURCE IN THE LAST MESSAGE SAID ABOUT 1000. ╧N THE ECHOS ╔'D SAY WE'VE HEARD OF A MAX OF 20. ╙INCE THE CHIP COMPLEMENT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED YET, ╔'D FIGURE ╔'D ADD THE RUNDOWN OF MINE TO THIS FILE. ╒NFORTUNATELY, ╔ DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL OF THEM ARE, AND AREN'T SURE ENOUGH ON SOME OTHERS, SO ╔'M JUST LISTING NUMBERS AND MAYBE DESCRIPTIONS. ─ON'T WANT TO MISLEAD WITH WRONG GUESSES :) ╞IRST, MY ├65 HAS NO LABEL OR ╙/╬. ╘HE SCREEN ╥╧═ MESSAGE IS ┬ASIC 10.0 ╓0.9.910111 ┼NGLISH ╦EYBOARD ╒1 4510R3 (A LARGE SQUARE CHIP) LABELED "╓ICTOR" MFGR ├┬═ ╒2 4567R5 (SAME) "┬ILL" ├┬═ ╒3 390989 (20PIN ─╔╨ WITH PAPER LABEL) ├┬═ ╒4,╒5 8580R5 (28PIN ─╔╨) ├┬═ ╒6 390488-02 (02 X'D OUT IN PENCIL AND CHANGED TO 03 ├┴╞╞ C'91) (32 PIN 27├010 ┼PROM) ╒7,╒8,╒9,╒10 ╘═╙4464-10╬╠ (18PIN ─╔╨) ╘EXAS ╔NSTRUMENTS ╒11 390548-01 (20PIN ─╔╨ WITH PAPER LABEL) "┼LMER" ├┬═ ╒12,╒13 ═├14066┬├╨ (14PIN ─╔╨) ═OTOROLA ╒14 ╠├3517┬-15 (24PIN ─╔╨) ╙ANYO ╒15 ─═74╠╙125┴╬ (14PIN ─╔╨) LOGO OF 2 TILDE'S (?) ╒16 7809├╘ (3PIN ╘╧220) ═OTOROLA ╒17 390957-01 (48PIN ─╔╨) "─-═AGIC" ├┬═ ╒18 ╙╬74┴╠╙244┬╬ (20PIN ─╔╨) ╒19 28.37516 CRYSTAL (4PIN PLUG-IN) ╒20 VACANT SOCKET ╒21 ┼╨4978-15 (???) ╨├┴ ╒22 390491-02 (LARGE SQUARE) ├┬═ ┴LL EXCEPT ╒12, ╒13, ╒16, ╒21 AND ╒22 ARE SOCKETED ┴LSO CONTAINS CRYSTAL ╪1 8.000 ┬OARD SAYS ├64 ─╪ ╥EV 2┬, ├OMMODORE ┼LECTRONICS ╠TD, CPYWRT 1990 WITH A LITTLE RED STICKER THAT SAYS ┴ 18-2. ┴SSEMBLED IN ╚ONG ╦ONG. ╦EYBOARD IS ═ITSUMI 20910130. ─RIVE MECH IS ├HINON ╞┬-354├ ╥EV┴ 01/91. ─RIVE ╙/╬ IS 10100183. ╞ROM: ╠ONNIE ═C├LURE <LMCCLURE@DELPHI.COM> ╙UBJECT: ╥E: ┴NALOG ╓IDEO ╧UTPUT PINS FOR ├65 ─ATE: ╙AT ╞EB 05 16:02:01 ═╙╘ 1994 ╧RGANIZATION: ─ELPHI (INFO@DELPHI.COM EMAIL, 800-695-4005 VOICE) ╠INES: 23 ╪-╘O: <═╙╘╥╧╒31@═┴╔╬┼.═┴╔╬┼.┼─╒> "╔ NEED THE PIN OUT OF THE VIDEO CONNECTOR ON THE ├OMMODORE ├65." "╔ BELIEVE THAT ╔ NEED BOTH ╚╧╥╔┌╧╬╘┴╠ & ╓┼╥╘╔├┴╠ ╙┘╬├╙ ┴╬─ ╘╚┼ ╨╔╬╙ ╧╞ ╘╚┼ ╟╥╧╒╬─ ┴╬─ ╘╚╧╙┼ ╧╞ ┼┴├╚ ├╧╠╧╥ ╥┼─, ╟╥┼┼╬, ┴╬─ ┬╠╒┼." ╫HEN LOOKING AT THE ─┬-9 ╥╟┬ PORT, IT SHOULD BE ARRANGED AS FOLLOWS: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 - ╟ROUND 2 - ? 3 - ╥ED 4 - ╟REEN 5 - ┬LUE 6 - ? 7 - ├OMPOSITE SYNC 8 - ╚ORIZONTAL SYNC 9 - ╓ERTICAL SYNC ╙EVERAL OF US HAVE CHECKED AND CONFIRMED THAT THE ┴MIGA "BELLY HATCH" ╥┴═ EXPANDER BOARDS WILL NOT FIT ONTO THE ├65'S BELLY HATCH CONNECTOR. ╘HE RELEASE DATE OF THIS ╞┴╤ FILE #2 IS 7 ╞EB '94.