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********** Topic 26 Mon Jul 28, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Sub: C-128 Word Processing Looking for a good word processor? Buy a lemon? Sound Out!! 38 message(s) total ********** ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 1 Mon Jul 28, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) I'm going to use this area here to collect COMMENTS and reviews of 128 Word Processors. If you've a question about a particular one, PLEASE start a separate topic! *deb!* ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 2 Thu Jun 12, 1986 SURVIVOR (Forwarded) Survivor (of what?) here ownes a copy of WORD WRITER 128, but it kind of has some little things I don't like... Uses TRUE ascii, and nothing else does... I know, there is a converter on the disk.... but it adds 3 minutes to each file written... other wise it is a great program! Price is correctly choosen (as opposed to $100 for WORDPRO 128!). Good, got that off my chest. (hi DEB). Stephen Gutknecht Author of *ZBBS*. ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 3 Tue Jul 29, 1986 GWAYNE [*gary! too!*] (Forwarded) I use Word Writer becuse it uses ASCII. All my other computers use ASCII, and I use WW128 to write files for my BBS (which by-the-way uses ASCII) and for other people that I do work for. I have SuperScript 128, but it wants its own data disk. This I do not like. WW128 is by far the easiest WP I have ever used. Gary Funk ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 4 Tue Jul 29, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Hmmm....you prefer to save your text files to your program disk, Gary???! ** <<she loves her Super Script 128!>> ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 5 Tue Jul 29, 1986 GWAYNE [*gary! too!*] (Forwarded) No, I prefer to be able to pick up any disk and not have to have worry that it is not a SuperScript work disk. I don't want work disks. I want to be able to use any disk I want, and not have to worry about 'whatever'. I too would love SuperScript 128 if I were to spend a few days learning how to use it. But how has time to learn. (I do). hehehe Oh Deb!!, Love you too. hehe CUL. Gary ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 6 Tue Jul 29, 1986 CHARRINGTON (Forwarded) I like Word Writer 128 also. I have reviewed three others for the 128...including 'Writer's Choice' now...and WW128 is by far the easiest to use. Long live pull-down menus. The later versions of it do have a nasty bug. They won't load if your printer has a Cardo G-Wiz interface. It breaks to the monitor. Timeworks is 'working on a fix'...but if you can find Version 1.1 you got the one that works best. Courtney ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 7 Tue Jul 29, 1986 GWAYNE [*gary! too!*] (Forwarded) Version 1.1 of which program. If it is WW118, I have version 5-2.0 and it did fix a few bugs. Works great. ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 8 Wed Jul 30, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Gary...I use SuperScript 128 on 'any old disk I want' All the time!!! Am I doing something wrong....I'd no idea you were supposed to have a separate SS128 Disk...!! ** <<Honest, I read/write, replace, scratch, rename EVERYTHING>> ... and on any disk I pick up! ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 9 Wed Jul 30, 1986 GWAYNE [*gary! too!*] (Forwarded) All I know is that when SuperScript 128 boot up, the main menu has: Insert Existing Work Disk Create Work Disk Create Training Disk Create Create Well, I just want to edit. I do not want to depend on having to have Work or Training disk. Or maybe I am way off base. Maybe I should read the manual front to back. I had WordWrite 128 up and working in abut 2 minutes. SuperScript 128 takes that long to load. Oh well. Back to reading paper. See you when you get back. Be careful. Gary ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 10 Fri Aug 01, 1986 B.GRAY [Brent] (Forwarded) For whatever my 2-cents worth is worth... I love Paperback Writer 128. (Now Pocketwriter.) I really like Superscript alot... in fact it's still the one I'd recommend for the really serio user. However, for casual (and sometimes NOT so casual use PocketWriter is really great. It's definitely one of the EASIEST to use and has the very best 'YOU SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOIN' TO GET' modes I've seen on ANY wp. There's alot more but... that's enough for now! I'm curious which of you dedicated SuperScript and WordWriter 128 users have really used PBWriter 128? I don't mean just booted it and tried a couple of things... but really gotten into the program??? Brent ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 11 Sat Aug 02, 1986 S.LEWIS (Forwarded) I use WordPro 128 with generally good results. There are, however, a couple of annoying bugs: When printing linked files under certain circumstances, part of your doc never gets printed. This seems to occur when, say, you are printing file 1 and WP realizes that it won't fill up a full page... so it goes and loads file 2 and seems to forget the end of file 1... this is the only conclusion I have been able to come up with and makes little sense that it would do it but that's what it seems to have done to me a couple of times. I believe the "fix" for this is to include a page advance at the end of each file. If you are working in the command line (top screen line) and press a quote, lookout brother! All of the cursor control characters that WP uses come flying across the command line and will eventually eat down into the doc you are editing. No damage is done to your work, but the screen sure looks messed up! There are a couple of other little annoyances, but, all-in-all, I have found WP128 to be quite good. It has a 400+ line storage capacity, a second text area which you can move text to/from, and the feature I like best: will print "proportional" characters on many dot-matrix printers which do not have proportional systems. It also takes care of double-sided documents and double column documents. I cannot compare it to any others. Before buying a wordprocessor, find somebody who has WP128 and play with it! Steve ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 12 Sun Aug 03, 1986 SURVIVOR [S. Gutknecht] (Forwarded) I notice the "end of page bug"... if you try to do multiple page prints (print the same doc 5 times) it screws up too... but I thought thay (that) it was MY fault... still could be. The "quote' bug... many programs (term programs) do that also... a programmers mistake... maybe they don't know about it. ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 13 Sun Aug 03, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Gary ... it says INSERT work disk, so just press RETURN over it. That will read your Printer params file off the disk in the drive. I actually copied my SS 128 to a new disk <<error and all>> and edited my printer file on this disk, and boot from there. Then I never have to mess with moving a printer file from disk to disk. I do too much editing on all sorts of disks/format to mess with tht! ** P.S. No, I've never tried PBWriter, does it have macros?? ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 14 Mon Aug 04, 1986 SZARETSKY [Steve Z] (Forwarded) Well, I did it. A local Kaypro dealer sold me a Kaypro copy of Wordstar 3 months ago. I know, lots of 0's and 1's in the menus. However it's a VERY powerful WP. I've written several papers without any problems. It does take a long time to learn how to use it but I've found that a fair exchange for the power. I've looked at Wordwriter 128 and Paperclip in operation and they didn't seem to have the power that Wordstar has. Now if I could just get rid of those 0's and 1's...... Steve Z. ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 15 Mon Aug 04, 1986 MIKEM [Pax Regal] (Forwarded) Steve: Are you running your Wordstar as is, meaning in Kaypro format? If so, you might be able to rid yourself of those 0's and 1's by copying the main files and overlays onto a C-128 CP/M disk, and using WINSTALL.COM to set up for an ADM/Lear-type terminal. Things may also become alot faster. There are many patches available that allow greater speed and numerous options for Wordstar, so you should also look into these. One excellent program you might be interested in, if you plan on using Wordstar frequently, is XtraKey. It adds powerful Macro options to an already powerful program. If you need any help with any portion of Wordstar, do not hesitate to ask! -Mike P.S. - Running Wordstar from a 17xx RAM expansion is the ultimate thrill! ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 16 Tue Aug 05, 1986 KEVIN-S. [KeS] (Forwarded) Sure, Steve, we can get wordstar to hum right along for you! For starters, I'll put up a short message later showing you how to cut back the unnecessary delay loops which slow things down. (currently working on changing HIGHLIGHTING to different colors!) ((stalled since my color monitor is still in the shop!)) KeS ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 17 Tue Aug 05, 1986 MIKEM [Pax Regal] (Forwarded) KeS - Didnt I tell you to buy a 1902 and forego that Zenith deal??? <grin> -Mike ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 18 Wed Aug 06, 1986 KEVIN-S. [KeS] (Forwarded) Yes, and you also recommended ECX! They have had that monitor for over a week now, and haven't touched it yet (after saying 3 days...) --KeS ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 19 Wed Aug 06, 1986 SURVIVOR [S. Gutknecht] (Forwarded) Word Writer 128 does not have the QUOTE bug in the current version I have... ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 20 Sat Aug 09, 1986 ALBERTMCCANN (Forwarded) I also was bugged by the slow load times andcopy protection on Super Script 128. It took about 6 hours to dissassemble (slow printer) but I removed the copy protection completely. It only took about 3 hours to crack, and about 15 minutes to modify and delete the error checking routines. Had to write a new boot sector also. Now after all that work, SS128 loads in about 15 seconds, and I can put it on ANY disk I want. Thanks to the built in monitor in the 128, this type of thing is easy to do on the 128. For more info drop me a note and I'll see what I can do to help. Albert McCann ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 21 Tue Aug 12, 1986 SURVIVOR [S. Gutknecht] (Forwarded) Put a text file up showing how... IT IS LEGAL! ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 22 Fri Aug 22, 1986 SPARROW (Forwarded) As much as I am an avid crusader against software piracy, I hate to ask this question, but I have a friend with a strange problem. He owns a copy of Superscript 128 and would like to install it on his hard drive (yes hard drive! lucky scum, eh?) someone a while back spoke of removing the protection from Superscriptand avoiding the "wordisk" syndrome, anybody willing to help this poor(?) guy out, he is willing to clear it with Precision or Progressi, first, since he is already a registered owner. --Sparrow James ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 23 Fri Aug 22, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) For information, Progressive *does* have SuperSCript avail. on 8050 disk format, I read somewhere...course, you should HEAR an 8050 or an SFD rattle when it hits that protection! ** ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 24 Mon Oct 06, 1986 TOXDOC [GNGreenberg] at 22:40 EDT Paperclip has a BUG, in both the 128 and the 64 mode. It only happens when a line range has been declared for copy elsewhere into the document. Believe itBelieve it or not, the range 1) won't insert... it MUST over-write. Worse yet, Believe it or not, the range won't insert itself, requiring over-writing into into areas previously cleared for insertion. Worse yet, the copied range is not the same size as specified, and often extends up to 10-20 lines beyond the anticipated inserted space DESTROYING text that was not intended to be over-written. This bug was denied when I reported it to the company (in writing) with a paternalistic comment reminding me that the commands for such a maneuver were clearly stated in the manual. Does anybody have an idea of a fix, of a recourse to the Great Software Dispute in the Sky, or of a means to get this to the attention of the company. I'd even appreciate learning if this happens to other people's version of the program. Thanks, Gary Greenberg ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 25 Tue Jan 20, 1987 BKODADEK at 02:52 EST I had the early version of word writer 128, without the thesaurus, and personally, I couldn't stand the pull-down menus. The directory will only show about 60 files out of a possible 144 and believe this or not, there is NO way to preview your text. If you mix single and double spacing, there is no way to see page breaks without printing the document. The wordwrap is only functional while editing at the current end of text. Consequently, I ported SpeedScript (3.0) over to the 128 and added full screen formatting, 80-column preview, full disk read, etc. The program loads in a couple of seconds, looks better than WW128, and I couldn't be happier. I guess it takes all kinds! Glad to be aboard. [HI, DEB] ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 26 Wed Jan 21, 1987 TOXDOC [GGreenberg] at 01:57 EST I find the Pocket 2 (128) has many unexpected advantages. These include view of the actual screen (including sub- super-scripts, italics, bold and underlined print). Additionally, for 128'ers, there is a VERTICALLY comp- ressed print to screen that shows 50 lines, even with a few lines of status information. One more plus is that the printer files seem comprehensive...I can get French characters without composing control characters for transmission. With Paper Clip, the odd characters were not seen except as the codes (and it took 3 to work) and had to be programmed into the document. Pocket actually shows the accented vowel on screen. The use of double files is incredibly easy. The directory automatically labels files with the drive number, so file loading doesn't require indica ting on which drive the file is found... a great simplification. ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 27 Wed Jan 21, 1987 DEB [*SysOp*] at 05:23 EST Did someone say this one does double column output, ala newsletters...?! ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 28 Thu Jan 22, 1987 SPARROW.J at 02:55 EST Pocket Writer 2 is capable of doing a form of multiple column output though it is not completely automatic. What you do is highlight a range of text, define it as a block and move it to its desired physical position. (i.e. you manually cut the column and move it over) this is smilar to the way in which Paperclip has always allowed its users to create multiple column output. With the alternate text area Pocket Writer 2 is well suited for this kind of editing. --Sparrow James ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 29 Thu Jan 22, 1987 DEB [*SysOp*] at 03:31 EST Loren, I'm sorry to be so dense... I type in/reformat/whatever in single column mode and then am allowed 'column moves' as in a block of text to paste over into the other side where I have not typed yet...?! How wide can these columns be?! *deb!* ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 30 Fri Jan 23, 1987 KEVIN-S. [KeS] at 20:39 PST Deb- As wise as you wish, within normal bounds. Wordstar 3.30 also has this feature. Just think of your block of text as running vertically instead of horizontally. It would have been perfect for creating that "BECAUSE" text file! KeS ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 31 Sun Jan 25, 1987 L.BURNS at 16:23 CST I use Word Writer 128 v2.1 and appreciate it for it's ease of use. I do not like having to remember numerous key assignments in order to type letters. Word Writer allows avoidance of this through it's pull down menus. It does provide the key assignments also, which is nice for the experienced users. As far as the CardCo G-Wiz problem mentioned previously, I have never had it happen to me. There are a few things that it does that I do not like. They are: 1. You loose the word wrap capability if you go back to any previously typed line and either insert new character(s) or just type over what is already there. What happens is your line keeps moving to the right until it eventually hits column 250. Then you have to scroll back to column 1 to continue. 2. Automatic page numbering puts the number at the top of the next page rather than on the bottom of the original page. 3. The margin settings for the bottom of a page do not produce the desired margin. I use the default setting, which is Top-4 and Bottom-4 and what I get is 4 at the top and 1 at the bottom. This may tie in with the page numbering problem. I would like to see the following: 1. Write PET ASCII files as the default. 2. Screen line length defaulting to 80 characters rather than 60. 3. Left margin for printing defaulting to 0 rather than 10. 4. An auto loading configuration file for the screen colors, printer, ect.. 5. This one I really like - The ability to load in different character sets other than Commodores'. This could be added to the Configuration file also. To add one more to the feature, it would be nice to be able to have the word processor load it into your printer too, provided it was one that will allow it. 6. Allow double column output to both the screen and printer. 7. Having the nice feature of seeing Italic, Underline, Superscript, ect. characters on the screen through direction of the printer command characters and selecting the Format command rather than by using the existing required keys that show it only on the screen and not on the printer. This is really double work. I am waiting for Progressive Peripherals and Software's Device 1 printer interface to arrive and I can't believe what I'll be able to do with my existing word processor. It is truely an excellent idea. - Larry Burns - ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 32 Wed Apr 08, 1987 JDCLARK at 23:54 EDT I don't want to throw cold water on the party, but I've been impressed with RUN's RunScript 128 on their Productivity Pak II. It's only about $20, and has the following: --wordwrap (throughout the doc unlike WW128) --fast scrolling and paging through doc --view of formatted page and choice of dump to printer or screen --save of screen colors, other parameters --save as PRG or SEQ, in Pet or standard ASCII --columns (!!), print every other page (for backside printing) --two text areas (will hold more text than either SS128 or WW128) --printer macros --graphics characters (alpha, beta, etc) --self-definable character sets --etc, etc... I have WordWriter 128 and Superscript 128 (prefer SS128 far above WW128), and I believe RS128 compares fairly well. It's the only C128 word processor that read a file downloaded from an IBM mainframe into WordStar format on an IBM PC, split into smaller files by MicroSoft Word on an ATT, copied into CBM format by Supersweep 128 (Commodore Mag, March 1987 by M. Garamszeghy)!!!! (WW and SS 128 had problems with these files) Let me know what you think. JDCLARK ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 33 Thu Apr 09, 1987 MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-] at 01:43 EDT Character stripping within Wordstar, or using one of the CP/M automatic editors should provide a readable format for any CBM word processor. Hmmm.... I like some of those RS128 options! (Not to mention the method you're using to get the file into 128 PC format. Hehe!) ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 34 Fri Apr 10, 1987 SPARROW.J at 02:31 EDT Whatever works for ya, JD. Personally I have not had any problems transfering text files to an Icky Blue Machine (IBM) or a MAC using Pocket Writer II and Paperclip with Bobsterm Pro 128. I am glad you are getting good use of your 128! --Sparrow James ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 35 Wed Apr 15, 1987 JDCLARK at 00:02 EDT MIKEM, Actually taking the files from "Icky Blue" (actually from a mainframe WP) to C-128--would never consider going the other way. The only time I've lost reports is with Word Perfect on an authentic XT. Right now, I'd rather work at home than with that file-gobbling thing at work. One of the newest reasons that I enjoy RS128 is that I've written a 1351 mouse driver to supplement the cursor controls (position of the cursor keys a possibly the only thing that annoys me about the 128). JDCLARK ---------- Category 14, Topic 26 Message 36 Wed Apr 15, 1987 MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-] at 02:21 EDT Again, I agree J.D., the cursor keys would be so nice if moved to either the old 64 cursor-key area (bottom right) or stacked along the left side of the keyboard (preferable). Any chance of us taking a gander at your mouse driver? Those with RS-128 would probably enjoy using it, and those interested in learning more about programming the 1351 would surely love to look it over. ---------- ---------- Category 14, Topic 22 Message 3 Wed Apr 30, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) I'm a devoted Easy Script/Super Script fan. SuperBase 128 and Super Script 128 are fully compatible, and when loaded into the 128 at the same time can swap information. But remember, I write for a living, and my requirements of word processing software can be pretty extravagant. Super Script 128 has a 40 column mode as well as an 80 column mode. The BEST improvement of Super Script 128 over Easy Script is that you can now choose to use EITHER explictly memorized commands, or you can use a window of hierarchal menus. Once you are familiar with a program, its very frustrating to have to fiddle with menus. BUT, its GREAT to learn with, and to help remember some of those commands that you don't use often. I'll see if I can't get a list of "features" of both packages typed up from the packing/documentation lists. *deb!* ---------- Category 14, Topic 22 Message 4 Wed Apr 30, 1986 NNORMAL [TALKTALK] (Forwarded) Superscript and Superbase can be loaded at the same time? That sounds like an ideal software package. I dont write for a living, but I am using my database and word processor quite frequently and the avail- ability of a cooperating team of software interests me. I am pleased with the productivity I've received from Word Writer 128. I was using Word Writer for the 64 but couldn't edit BBS downloads with it which made it pract- ically useless. Can you load other software simultaniously or is that only a Superscript feature? I think I'm going to stay with Word Writer 128 and use Superbase 128 as my database. Could anyone tell me if they would be compatible in extracting information for reporting and lists? One last question....I've downloaded from this board with VT100-128 and edited my information for storing, but will it work if I try to upload to this board from a file created on Word Writer 128. I figure I would have to end each line in my off-line document with a carriage return in order to execute the line by line formating on GEnie? I'm not sure this would work ... maybe I just need to try. ---------- Category 14, Topic 22 Message 5 Wed Apr 30, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) So far, Super Script and Super Base are the only two I've heard of. You should be able to IMPORT any properly prepared files into Super Base, using any word processor. The files would need to be in PETSCII, and each field is terminated by a carriage RETURN, as I recall. There are other things to program in and worry about, but that is the basics. Uploading information to GEnie, please see the new topic I'm starting in category #1 about this. *deb!* ---------- Category 14, Topic 22 Message 7 Fri May 02, 1986 PFOUNTZ (Forwarded) I recently bought SuperScript 128 and SuperBase 128 on Deb's recommendation. I figured that with all the experience she has and all the software she has access to, if she chose SuperScript 128, then that has to be the BEST! So far, I must agree. But only for the serious word processor user. Paperback Writer 128 may actually be easier to use for the casual user. But the power you have in SuperScript 128 is unmatched by any other. I purchased SuperScript 128 for $59 and SuperBase 128 for $59 from a discount house in the back of one of the Compute magazines. You must agree, that is a fair price! It was just yesterday that I had the first situation where I wanted to have both SuperBase 128 and SuperScript 128 both in memory at one time. I ran a mailing list, had the mailing label format in the wordprocessor (much easier to setup there) and had a "find list" selected in SuperBase 128 so that each time SuperScript needed another record, SuperBase would go the next record in that list. It really worked slick and fast, my 160 CPS printer did not have to wait at all for the data to be sent to it. I guess all this sounds complicated, but it only took me 15 minutes to figure it out the first time and I am sure I could do it again in only a few minutes, now that I have done it once. I set up two different default files on separate disks; one for printing on my Epson/Xetec printer/interface combination and another for printing to a seq file (just took out all the printer codes from the default file, so when the text sees a special printer code, nothing is sent to the seq file). So now I have a good quality word processor that supports both my hard copy needs as well as my needs on my BBS and other telecommunication services. To print on my printer, I put in one work disk or the other after the program load is complete. And if I want to switch from disk output to printer output, you just [f1]pip"defaults"[return] The only reservation I have about Superscript is that it gets real slow when saving a file onto the second side of a 1571 drive. I know this is a problem with the 1571, but it is now common knowledge how to change your programs to eliminate the 1571 slow down problem. Hopefully Precision Software will consider a modification to their programs. In the mean time, I just try to not let a disk fill past half full. Greg Pfountz ---------- Category 14, Topic 22 Message 8 Sat May 03, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) WOW...It never occurred to me to set up a second printer file to drop to disk...GREAT idea, Greg!!! By the way, your text about second side writes has _already_ been forwarded to John Tranmer of Precision... ! <<grin>> ---------- ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 8 Mon Apr 28, 1986 RICKERS [Rickers] (Forwarded) Just got SuperScript 128 here Deb and I'll second the motion. I'm sure tho that not all folks will find it as easy to use as I do , but I really prefer its command mode/control code methodology to the WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) methods. One question, have you found an easy way to strip printer command sequences from the text for disk output? ie: BOLD and UNDERLINE etc. Rickers ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 9 Mon Apr 28, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Rickers.... Check page R-62, will the printer commands respond to the same treatment of searching as other control and layout characters???? They are entered the prompting line preceded by Run/Stop key and the character. I have not messed with printer codes, haven't needed them yet! Let me know...! ** ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 10 Tue Apr 29, 1986 RICKERS [Rickers] (Forwarded) As usual, when all else fails ...READ THE GD MANUAL! <grin> After I logged off I delved into the manual a bit more and found the information.... a lot easier than the old EasyScript technique fer sure. Oh! I made a custom command key to strip returns out of paragraphs when converting regular seq. files to SuperScript files..... BOY! does THAT save a lot of time! Rickers ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 11 Tue Apr 29, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Interesting....*I* could not get a return deleted for anything...! ** ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 12 Tue Apr 29, 1986 RICKERS [Rickers] (Forwarded) Use a command as follows ^p^w /ew be sure to put the space in after the control-w you can add this to your default file ... I put it on the p key for paragrapher! *p=^p^w /ew Just place the cursor on the first line of the paragraph you want to build and press ESC then press p... it will delete the paragraph marker at the end of the line (CR) and then delete the spaces between that point and the beginning of the next line. Just keep sending the p command until all the CR's are stripped and the white spaced removed for the paragraph you're building. Rickers ---------- Category 14, Topic 13 Message 13 Tue Apr 29, 1986 DEB [*deb!*] (Forwarded) Wheee....I keep forgetting that a <CR> is a paragraph ender on a word processor....<<blush!>> Thanks, Rick! -