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- Transcript of the Fred Bowen Conference
- - With your Host GEOS-TIM
- - Conference Capture and Editing by THE.OUTLAW
- - User instructions given by C128-QT.PIE
- Tuesday 2-22-94
- Fred Bowen - Commodore Business Machines Engineer
-
- This is one in a series of conferences with people who have or have had an
- impact on the 64/128 Commodore world. Fred Bowen is an engineer that helped
- bring us the Commodore products that we have come to know. The transcripts havebeen edited by Cam Stewart, with finish editing by Tim Hewelt.
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-
-
- ** <FREDBOWEN> is here.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi Fred
- <C128-QT.PIE> Hi Fred :)
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Glad to see you made it....some folks were having troublelogging on tonightl
- <C128-QT.PIE> Welcome!!!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hiya, Tim
-
- <C128.JBEE> everyone give a welcome to Mats, he is signing in from Germany :)
- <C128-QT.PIE> Hi T.Gosser1
- <[brat] C.EFTHIMIOU> hi mats
- <C128-QT.PIE> Hi Mats!!! :)
- <M.MATTING> well, I gI IHi back.. :)
- <THE.OUTLAW> Hi Mats
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi Mats
- <D.WITMER2> Talk about staying up late! Hi Mats!
- <GUNTER> Hi T. Gosser1
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> That is great.
- <C128-QT.PIE> What time is it there Mats?
- <T.GOSSER1> Hello
- <C128.JBEE> and I bet I know what is questions will be on :>
- <M.MATTING> Better: staying up early in the morning
- <C128.JBEE> Hi Tom :-)
- <C128.JBEE> Hi fred :)
- <M.MATTING> Its 4, quite early..
- <T.GOSSER1> Hi Joh
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> You read my mind, Mat
- <C128.JBEE> wow - 4am is when I go to bed :D
- ** <TOM.PATCH> is here.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi Tom
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Fred Bowen Conference !!!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We are about 7 minutes from getting to the nity gritty
- <C128-QT.PIE> Thanks Tim :)
- <T.GOSSER1> Hi Maurice!
- <GUNTER> Hi Maurice!
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Hi everyone.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Pull up a seat, Get out your questions, and we will roll
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi Maurice
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We will be going into listening mode in about 30 seconds
- <C128.JBEE> Hi Reub, Chuck, Maurice
- ** <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> was <C.GRIFOR>.
-
- ** <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Room is now listen-only.
- Active users in ALL Rooms
- Job City Room Sta Mail-Address
- 1 Clarkston,MI 6 L [Your Host] GEOS-TIM
- 2 Natrona height,PA 6 N C128-QT.PIE
- 3 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW
- 4 Dresden, 6 N [mats] M.MATTING
- 5 Salem,MA 6 N C128.JBEE
- 6 Hamilton,OH 6 N D.WITMER2
- 7 Crown point,IN 6 N R.BOYLES2
- 8 West chester,PA 6 N FREDBOWEN
- 9 Bx,NY 6 N C.EFTHIMIOU
- 10 Pikesville,MD 6 N GUNTER
- 11 Shelton,WA 6 N T.GOSSER1
- 12 Brentwood,MD 6 N TOM.PATCH
- 13 Charlotte,MI 6 N [Maurice] M.RANDALL2
- 14 Jamesburg,NJ 6 N R.NEAZER
- 15 Milford,MI 6 N [Chuck] C.GRIFOR
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Good evening... Tonight we have Fred Bowen from
- Commodore Business Machines...with his bells on
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I know I promised to be here with bells on...
- <FREDBOWEN> but it was one of those days. I worked my bells off, I'm afraid.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> You mean you don't?
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> LOL
-
- <FREDBOWEN> And let me apologise in advance for a rather nasty, noisy line.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Fred, I guess I'll ask the first question.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> What is new at Commodore?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> NHeh, well every day I get to work seems like a "new" day.
- While there are lots of little elfen at work on bright, shiney toys
- things have been moving slowly, but steadily. Just what you wanted
- to hear, right?
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Ya.:D
- <C128-QT.PIE> What kind of bright, shiney toys?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> 'Fraid you'd ask that.
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> :)
-
- <FREDBOWEN> BIG and small shiney toys :-)
- But I can safely say, nothing based upon 8-bitters other than the
- occasional keyboard controller, or video dongle.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> bummer
- <C128-QT.PIE> :(
-
- <FREDBOWEN> But, they still do occasionally make a C64 now and then, I'm told.
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> That's good news :)
- <C128.JBEE> Is it true they sold 30,000 C-64s in China last year?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I suppose so. I don't know where they're going, but China would be
- one guess. As would
- some of the newer Eastern block countries.
- I can't *imagine* a Chinese person beating on a C64, but...
-
- <C128.JBEE> well, they don't have Chinese keyboards - they mostly use qwerty
- even in Japan :)
-
- <FREDBOWEN> For sure. There was some talk about doing an Arabic-type
- keyboard/editor
- nagging me when I was busy with the C65, but fortunately that went
- away!
-
- <C128.JBEE> hard to fit 25,000 letters onto one keyboard even with (20) F-keys
- :D
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> That's a signal for the c65
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Piece of cake. How big did you want them letters??
-
- <C128.JBEE> Arabic? maybe it was for air defense systems? ;D
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Don't laugh- it wasn't THAT long ago I got a call from SAC about
- getting a replacement video tube for an 8032.
-
- <C128.JBEE> <- falling on floor (THUD)
-
-
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Maurice Randall has a question.
- <C128.JBEE> yea, its what they call SCUDs when they run out of fuel :D
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Yeah- that just occured to me, too :-)
-
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Did the LCD-128 get lost when Commodore cleared out the
- warehouse? Tell us about old stuff like that one.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The LCD machine was neat, but rather qwerky and not terribly
- compatible.
-
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What ever happened to it?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I liked it for the hack it was, but must admit I was a'gin it.
- <FREDBOWEN> But ALL the old stuff is gone, 'cept for a few pieces in my horribly<FREDBOWEN> crowded office or tucked away in my basement here.
-
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Let me know when you have your rummage sale!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Even lost my prototype C128. :-(
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Ah, The Bowen Museum?
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> :(
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The 'museum' ain't what it used to be. For sure.
-
- <C128.JBEE> you mean they took it and sold it to Grapevine?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Probably lots of stories there. I'm done.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> But- call it a clean slate. If anything, one's got to be an
- optimist.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Mats from Germany has a question.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> One man's museum is another man's pile of junk, yunno
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> [A[B[C[AGreetings from Bil Herd to you...
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hey, I hear Herd's gonna get *married*! Nearly blew ME away...
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> He asked me to ask you a question, but I forgot it :(
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> LOL
-
- <FREDBOWEN> That's MY kind of question.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> They say the mind goes first, Mats.LOL
- <[mats] M.MATTING> About the C65: Do you know which was the last ROM version
- ever made?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Uh huh- my bells went first.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We are in listening mode. Type "/rai" for questions.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Wait till GEOS-TIM calls on you.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Indicate the end of your questioning with a GA (Go Ahead)
- <FREDBOWEN> When the C65 was canned, I spent another month wrapping things up,
- just in case. The last version is sitting in my machine only-
- something
- like 911204 or so.
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Hey, we recently got your (self-written, I think) demo
- programs and documentation. Will it be (legally) possible to send to others?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> But that version required the latest hardware, of course.
- I've been trying to get permission to "release" some stuff, but as
- yet have not gotten it. The problem is it was never reviewed or
- approved for release by the legal people, so... it's doubtful.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> :( A lot of GEnie users will be unhappy to hear that.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We have quite a C65 following
- <C128.JBEE> I suppose the legal department does not look at denying the
- approval as trying to shut the barn door after the horse escaped :D
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Still gonna work on it, but the higher-ups and legal folks
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> But it works fine on o u r latest ROM version (not the
- US-one, looks like specifically done for CBM-Germany(?)
-
- <FREDBOWEN> have bigger things on their minds, for some reason :-)
- Uh, sorry- that last line was barely readable here- repeat it?
- I probably belched too hard.
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> Pardon me as Im new to computers. But if they are selling 30,000
- plus c64 machines
- <[mats] M.MATTING> That noisy line... The demo programs do work fine on our
- last ROM version (that one with the german keyboard)
- Message sent to Job 2
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> in europe why is ther no support statside
-
- <FREDBOWEN> re: c65 demos- it probably means you have an old set of demos!
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Thanks - I m done
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The latest set included checks for version numbers, etc. They also
- required a 1MB RAM expansion. re: 30k c64's: margin is so small,
- CBM probably made $30k on 'em, max.
-
- <C128.JBEE> Was the "C-65" the "secret" computer that was going to be unveiled
- at that computer show in England in Sept 1990? Might explain just the PAL
- version?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> In other words- hardly worth it.
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> thanks
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Are there anymore questions concerning the C65
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> ....?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I went to Germany in something like May '91 to show it to European
- managerss. That's the only "official" dog/pony show I know of.
- ALL the C65's had PAL chips in them.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> J. Brook has a question
- <J.BROOKS30> I just got here. What is the c65?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The initial launch was to be in Europe, where the C64 sales were
- still hanging in there.
- No NTSC VIC-III was ever made.
-
- <J.BROOKS30> And are they currently on the market/
- <J.BROOKS30> GA
-
- <FREDBOWEN> No, the C65 was never "released"
-
- <CMD-DOUG> Where did that 30k C64's sold figure come from? Annual report from
- Commodore
- <CMD-DOUG> showed 200,000 C64's sold last year...
- <CMD-DOUG> (sorry if I came in late... :)
-
- <FREDBOWEN> That was 30K in *China*, Doug.
-
- <CMD-DOUG> Okay. Thanks. :)
- <CMD-DOUG> ::ducking back into my hole::
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Gunter has a question.
- <GUNTER> What are the c 65 capabilities?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> So THAT's where they keep you...
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We don't like it to get out, Fred
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Oh my. That would take a fair amount of typing!
-
- <C128.JBEE> think Howie posted all the "specs" in Cat#2?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> My personally analogy was that the C65 was to the C64 as the C64
- was to the VIC20.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> I didn'T realize they were that different
-
- <FREDBOWEN> (hope you got that- the echo here was horrendous!)
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We did
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> I guess I better read Cat #2
-
- <FREDBOWEN> (how about a conference call, next time ??? :-)
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> LOL This is.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Any more questions about the C65?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I got the actual MANUAL right here :-)
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> There are a lot of folks that would like that
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Go a head Chris
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> fred if i want to buy a c-64 in europ who would i contact as i
- have friend over ther looking for them
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hmm, not sure- the sundry European sales areas have been (or are
- being)
-
- <C128.JBEE> Speaking of "C-##" - what happened to the C-64gs - I was reading
- some game magazines from the UK and it appeared it was distributed there - a
- "game boy C-64"? What was it really? Just a C-64 without a keyboard that took
- 1meg ROMs?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> consolidated, I think. Depends where he is. Best thing is to
- simply ask a user group over there.
-
- <C128.JBEE> CF, just have them pick up a 64'er magazine :)
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> mats may have an answer on where to get them
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> ok thanks
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Chris, if you have a friend in Germany: 64s are still
- available in great mailorder stores overhere
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The C64GS was a modified C64 with no keybd & an expansion/cartridge
- slot facing upwards.
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> mat what part of germany r u in
-
-
- <FREDBOWEN> It was a 2-day hack.
- <[mats] M.MATTING> I m calling from Munich, southern part
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The UK really wanted it, but despite recommendations otherwise,
- they got it.
-
- <CMD-DOUG> :)
- <C128.JBEE> they ever sell any decent amount or was it a flop without the
- keyboard? Think it translated to $99 (in British pounds)?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I guess it depends upon your point of view- in West Chester, it was
- a flop.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We are in listening mode. Type "/rai" for questions.
- <C128.JBEE> means it didnt sell 4 million then ;>
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Ahh, those were the days...
-
- <C128.JBEE> what was the last figured on the amount of sold C-64s? 12 million?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Geez- I don't know. I don't keep track of those things. I can't
- even keep my bells on, yunno?
-
- <CMD-DOUG> Fred, I recall seeing a quote from you a few months back saying that
- CBM
- <CMD-DOUG> estimated that there were still around 3 million 64's in use. Any
- idea where
- <CMD-DOUG> that figure came from?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Well, if it came from me, it was in response to something I read.
- Sorry- don't recall.
- But, the number wouldn't seem too out of line, really.
-
- <C128.JBEE> What was with those 1megabit ROMs I kept seeing "ads" for? where
- they for the C-64gs or just a marketing idea that never hit fruitation?
- <CMD-DOUG> Okay, thanks.
- <C128.JBEE> lol - was probably a quote from marketing at the board meeting ;D
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hmm, the GS used 512k I think- the 1M parts were just used in the
-
- <CMD-DOUG> You mean a 'dart board' meeting, JBEE? :)
-
- <FREDBOWEN> game carts, I believe- they held several games in each cart,
- bank-selectable.
-
- <C128.JBEE> they sounded pretty cool - I tried to buy one but never could find
- one - know any of the game names? I think I remember seeing an ad for "one" in
- RUN but the company did not have any.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I did 2 or 3 carts- nostalgic collectiions of Collossis Chess,
- Wiz-o-war, etc.
-
- ** <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Room is now in the talk mode.
-
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> What participation have you been personally involved in
- with the CD-32 project?
- ** <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> was <J.DEARDEN>.
- <C128-QT.PIE> Welcome Jim!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi J Dearden
- ** <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> was <C.GRIFOR>.
- <C128.JBEE> seems like they could have been used for some nifty things like
- digi speach and game animation.
- ** <CMD-DOUG> is here.
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> r any 128 still being made
- <[Jim] J.DEARDEN> Hi Tim, Fred, All
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> hi jim
- <C128.JBEE> speech ^
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We just went into an informal mode
-
- <FREDBOWEN> No C128's are being made- I think they "remanufactured" the last of
- 'em
-
- ** <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> was <[Jim] J.DEARDEN>.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> a year or two ago.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Go ahead Jim
- <C128.JBEE> those were probably all the units Software Hutt was sellingng
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Jim has a question....
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Hi Fred, I've got 2 questions about the 65 (actually
- from Dug Rodger) 1) any major design flaws to watch for?
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> 2) what the part # for the expansion memory?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> We don't even have any C64 or 128 parts of any kind left, that I
- know of.
-
- <C128.JBEE> yes, believe they were all sold to some big service company
- Commodore contacted for dealer sales somewhere down south (MO)?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Sorry Jim- didn't get all that- gonna have to repeat it.
-
- Active users in ALL Rooms
- Job City Room Sta Mail-Address
- 1 Clarkston,MI 6 L [Your Host] GEOS-TIM
- 2 Natrona height,PA 6 N C128-QT.PIE
- 3 Wacko,TX 6 N THE.OUTLAW
- 4 Dresden, 6 N [mats] M.MATTING
- 5 Salem,MA 6 N C128.JBEE
- 6 Hamilton,OH 6 N D.WITMER2
- 7 Crown point,IN 6 N R.BOYLES2
- 8 West chester,PA 6 N FREDBOWEN
- 9 Bx,NY 6 N C.EFTHIMIOU
- 10 Pikesville,MD 6 N GUNTER
- 11 Shelton,WA 6 N [powerusermag] T.GOSSER1
- 12 Toronto,ON 6 N [Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN
- 13 Charlotte,MI 6 N [Maurice] M.RANDALL2
- 14 Jamesburg,NJ 6 N R.NEAZER
- 15 East longmeado,MA 6 N CMD-DOUG
- 17 Milford,MI 6 N [Chuck] C.GRIFOR
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Hi Fred, are ther any major design flaws in the 65 to
- watch out for?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> In the version you probably have, yes- lots! Otherwise we could
- have released
- the sucker a whole year earlier!
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Other than the o.s. are there any design flaws with
- the hardware?
- <C128.JBEE>
-
- <FREDBOWEN> That's mostly what I'm talking about, silly. They would have
- shipped it with
- any old software in it :-)
- But what are they? That's like asking me to remember all the bad
- things
- that happened to me on vacation 2 years ago.
-
- <C128.JBEE> its like being a mother too - you try to only remember the good
- thing about your children :D
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Mr Bowen Sir?
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> ..any *Serious* desigin flawz, the kind that would
- have killed production. Say like "can't get 1280 rez"??
-
- <FREDBOWEN> There were sundry palette problems, sprite glitches, DOS controller
- bugs,
- lots of things like that. The chips were less than prototypes, to
- boot. We went through tons of them, as they died.
-
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Mr Bowen could you possiblty answer an A***a question?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The various consultants I had always had problems- it was a real
- pain.
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> ..bugz don't count. Something like a cracked frame
- after 5 bumpz, would!
- <C128.JBEE> is the C-65 disk drive capable of reading Amiga disks, I know that
- must have been one of the plans and benefits of having the C-65 being able to
- display IFF resolution files?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> No Amiga disks, but PC disks, yes. There's even a special autoboot
- routine which looked for a PC boot sector.
-
- <C128.JBEE> c00l
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> neat^^
- <THE.OUTLAW> Cool!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The main chip guy wanted originally a multitasking CP/M type OS for
- the C65
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> What about the external drive and RAM expansion? Was it ever
- produced?
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> did you ever finish off the LOADIFF routine?
- <C128.JBEE> so it might have been possible to package and IBM game and C-64
- game on the same disk!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Sure- I have several :-)
- The main idea behind the PC boot sector was to allow this guy to
- boot his
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Was the memory expansion the same as for the Amiga 600?
- <FREDBOWEN> own OS over top of the C^% ROMs.
-
- <C128.JBEE> like OS9 on the Tandy?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The C65 RAM exp. was a totally unique beast.
- It had to allow special VIC accesses, so that VIC screens/bitplanes
- could be out in expansion memory.
- Also, to allow the DMA blitter access to exp. mem.
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> rats..... :-( any chance that Grapevine got some along
- with the 65's?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> That was something I insisted upon.
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> gee, if only they had listened to you, and put the
- thing out!!!!
- <D.WITMER2> uFyzF"= q;8J=[Ab3
- )Xw<oZ&kJ3ff;?]DtYuj>l
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Wow- is my screen scrambled or what? Can't read a thing at the
- moment!
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> DW had a bit of line noise is all
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> ur clear here
- <C128.JBEE> so expansion memory was treated like "chip" memory
- <CMD-DOUG> Err... was that a UUENCODED program, or what? :)
- <[powerusermag] T.GOSSER1> It was interesting Fred, but I gotta go. Nite all! :)<C128-QT.PIE> giggle!
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Just after your last send
- <C128-QT.PIE> Night T.Gosser!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Night T. Gosser
- <C128.JBEE> night Tom
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Sorta- certain banks could be accessed by VIC/DMAgic, all could be
- accessed by the CPU.
-
- <C128.JBEE> was the VICiii sort of like a co-processor or did it function
- basically the same as the C-64 VIC and was "dumb"
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Between the demo programs there was a picture of a kind of
- workbench. Was it ever released to more than that picture?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The VIC-II wasn't dumb- VIC essentially runs the show.
- Heh, the workbench pic I captured off the Amiga.
- I did want to "animate it, but never did.
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> :) Hey, so the DPaint piccy too :)
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Speaking of Amiga, there is an Amiga question.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Chuck........
-
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Fred I'm having a REAL problem with an A590
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Bummer. Don't know if I can help you with that..
-
-
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> It's blowing its little fuses right and left.
- <C128.JBEE> is an A590 a hard drive?
- <E.BOURDON1> Hello everyone..how are we all doing tonight??
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Yup
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Well, that certainly sounds like a power problem or serious short
- somewhere.
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> Hi Eddie!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Hi E.B
- ** <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> was <E.BOURDON1>.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Welcome to the Fred Bowen Conference !!!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hardly a conference- more like a word scramble!
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> so at this point in time there is no future for the
- c=64,c=65,128 at all
- <C128-QT.PIE> I think DW gets the prize for Line Noise tonight
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> u aintkidding
-
- <FREDBOWEN> I have seen the future, and it was a year or two ago :-)
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> I don't hear any noise?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Commodore has already created the future. The 64's are
- already here. We just gotta use em.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Ditto
- <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> Night all
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> lol
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Night Chuck
- ** <[Chuck] C.GRIFOR> has left.
- <C128-QT.PIE> G'night Chuck! ;D
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> night chuck
- <C128.JBEE> well, I would not say any future as in "new" hardware - can buy
- 386sx clones from Radio Shack for $400
- <C128.JBEE> doesnt mean we cant enjoy using them :)
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> ibm yuck :<
-
- <FREDBOWEN> That's the whole point, JBEE.
-
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Commodore has to make money. It would be worse to see
- Commodore fall, then to just quit building 64s, right?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> is it snowing yet?
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> not here NY
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Not here in Michigan
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Yes, I'd say it would be worse to fail than to stop making c64s.
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> ..not in Toronto either (yet, sob)
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> We are supposed to get 5-8 inches tomorrow, just when it
- melted.
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> i agree with u cbm needs to make a dollar
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Really big dollars.
-
- <C128.JBEE> they made 386 million of them last year - they just confused the
- minus sign with the plus sign again
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> but for me the 128 does everthing i need
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Plus where would you get such a fraternity of users?
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hmm, but if I gave you a 4000 with DCTV, Studio16, and a laser
- printer?
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> and ever two years an upgrade
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Why thanks Fred.
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Fred do you remember off-hand what the part number for
- the 65 ram exp. was?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Are you just handing these out, Fred?
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Get your door prize tickets.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> This was a conference to come to.LOL
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> fred still would just sit on my desk as a dust collector
- <CMD-DOUG> Well, I'm still trying to figure out a way to keep my Amiga from
- gathering dust.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> The part numbver???? The REU was never given one that I recall.
-
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> too many bells and whisles for me
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> I could use the laser printer. They work nice with GEOS.
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> ^^^^^^
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Hey- I need a new set of bells...
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Hey, I[A[Dse my 128
- <CMD-DOUG> Actually, I let my daughter use my Amiga for school work... but she
- knows not to
- <CMD-DOUG> touch my 128.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Fred, I'm afraid you have a lot of diehards here.:
- <C128.JBEE> with Apple going with the Power PC chip - will the next Amiga be a
- 68050 (if there is such an animal) or some other RISC chip? BTW - saw a nice
- Bablyon 5 write about the Amiga FX on the show.
- <C128-QT.PIE> <--will send you a new set of bells in exchange for that laser
- printer
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Noisy line again.. Doesnt matter
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> The Amiga does do great Video
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Sorry QT, I sold my bells for a down paymt on a printer.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> And if I were going form the 64/128 world that is most
- likely what I would get
- <C128-QT.PIE> Aww, shucks!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Were they BIG bells?
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> That's where those bells went
- <C128-QT.PIE> Yep!
- <THE.OUTLAW> hehehe
- <[Maurice] M.RANDALL2> Wanna sell some CD-32s Fred? Put the necessary software
- on a CD and an interface cable, and hook it to a 64.
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Clean clappers?
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> LOL!!!!
- <C128-QT.PIE> Yes indeed!
- <THE.OUTLAW> LOL
-
- ** <[clap on] C128.JBEE> was <C128.JBEE>.
- ** <[clap off] C128.JBEE> was <[clap on] C128.JBEE>.
- ** <C128.JBEE> was <[clap off] C128.JBEE>.
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> Giggle
- <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> ::clap clap::
- <C128.JBEE> hey, works just like on TV!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> That would be interesting to hook the computer up to a
- clapper
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Quit playin' with yer bells in public, hey?
-
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Eddie, Sanpshot v6 is coming along nicely!
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> hi lou
- <L.SCHONDER> Hi All!
- <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> Good to hear it, Jim.
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> I heard that the Snapshot v6 was coming
- <[Eddie] E.BOURDON1> What are some of the features gonna be?
- <C128.JBEE> Fred, got a PERSONAL questions - out of all the 8 bit devices/chips
- - what part was it that you designed that you took pride in the most as an
- engineer?
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> [38.4k bps]!
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Well folks, I'm going to wring the dog's bells, then get mine to
- bed.
-
- <C128-QT.PIE> LOL!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> Thanks for Coming Fred.
- <THE.OUTLAW> LOL
- <C128-QT.PIE> Fred, thank you so much for joining us tonight!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> It was a very informative evening
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> yes thanks fred
-
- <FREDBOWEN> Thank, Tom. It was good for me.
-
- <[mats] M.MATTING> Thank you too
- <C128.JBEE> thank you for coming Fred :)
- <[Jim/]>ug..] J.DEARDEN> Thanks Fred! (Ernie will call you tommorrow!)
- <THE.OUTLAW> Thanks for all the Info
- ! :>
- <C128-QT.PIE> It's been a pleasure!
- <L.SCHONDER> Thanks for our Commies, Fred!
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> We look forward to seeing you in the Cyber halls of GEnie
- <R.NEAZER> Thanks Fred
- <C128-QT.PIE> The bells will be in the mail
- <C.EFTHIMIOU> frozen^^
-
- <FREDBOWEN> You're all too kind. I think I'll be hiding under my desk for a
- spell.
-
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> You will be able to hear your mail come
- <[Your Host] GEOS-TIM> LOL..
- <C128-QT.PIE> LOL, Tim!
-
-
- ** <FREDBOWEN> has left.
-
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- ** End of Conference **
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