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************ Topic 14 Mon Dec 02, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 22:57 EST Sub: BTP 64 or 128 A place to ask questions or leave messages about Bob's Pro Term 64 or 128. (back by popular request) 30 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 1 Mon Dec 02, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 23:08 EST ============================================================================ transfered from another topic ============================================================================ Category 8 Telecommunications ************ Topic 14 Sun Mar 24, 1991 J.PATE3 [Jim Pate] at 14:21 PST Sub: B.T.Pro 128 / Aprotek 2400 modem Getting results using Bob's Term Pro and the Aprotek 2400 baud modem. Since BTP can be 'tuned' for High and Low byte settings, I found that by changing the HIGH byte setting from 113 to 123 the modem works 1 new messages. ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 3 Mon Nov 25, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 02:23 EST Questions. Lots and lots of questions about BobsTermPro. Prob: Keeping parameters at the same setting, especially when using phone and macros. Answer: Each time BTP loads in a new phone or regular macro, it loads in ALL the parameters that were previously saved with that macro. If you want to maintain the same parameters for a chain of macros, lets say 7 or 8 are used to call into GEnie, set up the first one, the phone macro the way you want things, like what the F1 key will do, etc. Then immediately after you save the phone macro, *AND* before you load in any other (with other parameters) select the option to create a new macro. All parameters on this new one will be the same as the original phone macro, and you only need enter its script. If you are satisfied with your present phone macro, select Edit, to get IT loaded. Exit from Edit, with its features in memory, and proceed to create new macros. It is a lot easier to spend time on one phone or other macro, set everything up the way you want it, and then use that one as the basis for creating all the others in the string. Prob: An F key doesn't get saved. Answer: I'll have to know what you are trying to save, and what you are doing. Prob: What terminal to use. Answer: Which ever one you like the most. It is a matter of personal preference. My choice has been a dumb terminal, so emulation is turned OFF. They all work fine. (More about vt100 later.) Just be sure to let GEnie know what you are using. :) Prob: Getting garbage characters when buffering at 2400. Answer: Set BTP's RS-232 parameters to: 7 word bits, 1 stop, EVEN parity, 2400 baud, half-duplex, adj LOW to 111, and adj HI to 0. That should do it. :) Don't be concerned about file up and downloads. BTP will automatically switch to the required 8 bits for these, and back to 7 for text. No need to tell GEnie about this change. It is automatic too. The only time you should ever see garbage characters is after you say BYE to GEnie, and it does its disconnect. Howie ============================================================================ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 3 Mon Dec 09, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 07:24 EST For those who asked about better vt100 emulation, here's what's needed for near-perfect operation: Starting with BTP's default settings, add the following: [1] On the control line, toggle ILF to ON, and WWRAP to OFF. [2] Add the following: To Video Attributes: -------------------- Half Intensity: ESC [22m Reverse Off: ESC [27m Flash Off: ESC [25m Underline Off: ESC [24m Reverse and Flash Off: ESC [27;25m To Delete Sequence: ------------------- Insert Character: ESC [00@ Insert Line: ESC [00L Delete Character: ESC [00P Delete Line: ESC [00M Spaces are for clarity to the above. Do NOT leave any spaces when making the actual entires. DO use upper and lower case letters, as shown. Now the hard part to explain: ALL the zeros shown in the Delete Sequence represent null entries. Two zeros for two nulls. Do not use the zero character. ---------- It has been my experience that these additions are all that's needed for the systems I've logged onto. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 4 Tue Dec 10, 1991 J.MOORE112 at 03:01 EST B I AM USEING BTPOR RO ON GENIE AT 2400 PTA BR URA .WHEN I CAPTURE TEXT THE LETTERS AND SOME WORDS ARE SCRAMBLED UP AND MISSING I HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OYT UT WHAT WAS SAID OR WAHT HAT WAS PRINTED OUT. IS THERE SOMETHING I CAN SET TO GET WHAT I AM SUPPOST TO GET I NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE! I WENT O TO THIS SPEED AAT 1200 BA U . SO HELP ME I TRYIED TO CAPTURE THE QUICK TIPE S BUT IT WAS SO SCRAMABLED UP I COULD NOT MAKE ANY SCENE CE OUT OF IT ... REPLAY EY TO J MOORE112 THANK YOU ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 5 Tue Dec 10, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 04:58 EST j.moore, it's apparant that btp does not have its petascii2ascii conversion set to on. that is why we all here see your message as being in all capitals, and why you see capitals and reversed lettering. press btp's comkey and the 'a' key to turn on the conversion, and everything should then be clear for you and us. the 'asc' on the control line will appear in reversed video. Now that it is on, I'll begin to use capitals. :) Don't forget to save this change to your phone file, so it will be there for you next time. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 6 Tue Dec 10, 1991 HOWIE-CBM [H.HERMAN1] at 05:13 EST IN CASE I GOT MY CONVERSIONS WRONG, HERE'S A REPEAT OF THE ABOVE IN ALL CAPS: J.MOORE, IT'S APPARANT THAT BTP DOES NOT HAVE ITS PETASCII2ASCII CONVERSION SET TO ON. THAT IS WHY WE ALL HERE SEE YOUR MESSAGE AS BEING IN ALL CAPITALS, AND WHY YOU SEE CAPITALS AND REVERSED LETTERING. PRESS BTP'S COMKEY AND THE 'A' KEY TO TURN ON THE CONVERSION, AND EVERYTHING SHOULD THEN BE CLEAR FOR YOU AND US. THE 'ASC' ON THE CONTROL LINE WILL APPEAR IN REVERSED VIDEO. NOW THAT IT IS ON, I'LL BEGIN TO USE CAPITALS. :) DON'T FORGET TO SAVE THIS CHANGE TO YOUR PHONE FILE, SO IT WILL BE THERE FOR YOU NEXT TIME. HOWIE ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 7 Sun Dec 22, 1991 YLR.ROSE [of TEXAS!!!] at 13:59 CST okay, folks, I need some help here.. I use BTP128.. and am now an assistant sysop on another board.. I need to upload files to the library using X-Modem, but when I do, the file is garbled and useless. I'm using all the default settings, but not having ANY experience using X-Modem Uploads.. what do I need to do to get my uploads looking right?? HELP!! ];D ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 8 Sun Dec 22, 1991 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 15:41 EST Are you uploading Pet Ascii text files? ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 9 Wed Jan 08, 1992 E.MJELDE [Ed Mjelde] at 22:44 MST Hi all, I'm having difficulty loading and running BTPRO.128, I've downloaded it twice using Aladdins Z-Modem protocol and regular X- Modem CRC. After transfering the file from my IBM clone to the C128, the program just sits there and doesn't do anything. Example...RUN"BTPRO.128"...LOADING...No Blinking Cursor...Hit Reset button... try LOAD or DLOAD"BTPRO.128",8,1... At least I get a Ready prompt...type RUN-- nothing... type LIST--nothing... I then downloaded an Xmodem Padding Stripper which loaded and ran fine on my 64... put BTPRO.128 through it...tried to load and run it... same results. Any hints or suggestions as to what I might be doing wrong? If I can't get it to load or run, It's DELETE time for BTPRO.128 Ed ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 10 Thu Jan 09, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark] at 01:30 CST Ed, All the BTPRO. files in the libraries are either alternate character sets or I think the one you got is the DEMO for the commercial tele- communication program Bobs Term Pro. If you're looking for a term program for your C128 for use on GEnie I'ld like to suggest Wizard 128. It's a free download from page 625. As for a term program for use on public boards you might want to try DesTerm2.00 from the Flagship C128 Telecommunication library. It's $25 shareware. ▐▐Mark▐▐ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 11 Thu Jan 09, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 03:00 EST Ed, The BTPRO128 that is in the Library will only upgrade the program, for those who might have the first early release version. BTPRO128 is available commercially, and I believe it can be gotten from Briwall, Tenex or SSI, among others. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 12 Thu Jan 09, 1992 E.MJELDE [Ed Mjelde] at 21:15 MST Thanks for the reply Mark, BTPRO.128 is not a demo, I guess it's just an upgrade for folks who already have the commercial version of Bob's Term, like HOWIE said in a previous message. I have two computers, and Aladdin does just about everything I expected a good automated program to do, including uploading this reply message. I use my IBM clone for most computer related things, but I occasionally like to check out the NEW programs for the C128 & C64, I liked the AEFRO/NOICE demo for the 64. I'll download DesTerm128 sometime in the future. Thanks for the two FAST replies. Ed ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 13 Thu Mar 19, 1992 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Jeff, If you're referring to BTP's XFER parameter settings, the following should work just fine here: 000 N N CCITT 001 ^Q ^S ^R ^T ^D ^F ^U ^X ^A <--- null ^Z If you may have been referring to something else just let us know. :) Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 14 Thu Mar 19, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] (Forwarded) I am going to move this to the BT topic (#14) in Cat#8 (telecom) ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 15 Thu Mar 19, 1992 C128.JBEE [* Sysop *] at 20:55 EST forwarded from cat3 topic 25 ---------------------------- ************ J.ROBERTSO34 [jeff] at 20:06 EST Sub: Bob's Term Pro Need help on X-Modem Settings Have you had the same trouble ? J.Robertso34 └s ************ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 16 Thu Apr 02, 1992 J.ROBERTSO34 [jeff] at 06:48 EST Hi Guys, I need some help setting up a new modem I use BTP and I've just replaced a slower modem with an Aprotek mini-C What would be the best emulation setting to use? The ones I thought would be suitable wont allow 1200 Baude. Any help would be apreciated. By the way, I'm using a C-64. J.ROBERTSO34 ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 17 Thu Apr 02, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 14:05 EST Jeff, Isn't the Aprotek a Hayes compatable? If so, I'd use the └Hayes Smart' setting. Also, while in (M)odems, check to see that you have the correct carrier detect, which I believe would be └+' with the Aprotek. Then in the RS232 setting, change the baud to 1200. Be sure to save all these changes, or they'll get lost next time you boot BTP. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 18 Fri Apr 03, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] at 00:39 EST Jeff, I take it putting the modem in 1670 mode didn't work with BTP? ▐▐Mark▐▐ ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 19 Sun Apr 12, 1992 J.ROBERTSO34 [jeff] at 18:48 EDT THANK YOU FOR HELP, BOTH MARK AND HOWIE. BOB'S TERMPRO WONT SUPPORT 1670. I FOUN D THAT I COULD FUNCTION WITH MINIMUM ERRORS BY TRIMING MY HIGH BYTE TO 65 AND MY LOW BYTE TO 1. THIS SETTING WORKS WELL AND FAST ALTHOUGH THE APROTEK MINI-C DOESN'T INDICATE 1200 BAUDE. HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD TROUBLE 'TUNING' A MINIMODEM-C FOR BOB'S TERMPRO @ 1200 BAUDE?.THE ORIGINAL DEFAULT VALUES FOR 1200 WERE SO "BAD THAT IT TOOK 215 BLOCK TRANSMISSIONS TO YIELD 40 SUCCESFUL TRANSFERS!. AT THAT POINT I WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF AT 300!!!.WELL, IT'S WORKING WELL NOW. I THOUGHT THAT IF SOMEONE ELSE COULD SUPPLY THE 'FINE TUNE' BY EXPERIENCE I'D FIND PEACE AND BLISS AT 1200 BAUDE. TO ALL, THANKS AGAIN!! ROBERTSO34 ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 20 Mon Apr 13, 1992 M.DULSKI1 [Mark @WIZARD] at 01:39 EDT Jeff, You are Welcome! BTP doesn't support the 1670!? Are you sure? That doesn't sound right, the 1670 has been around for quite some time. Every term program supports it. (Don't they?) -=Mark=- ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 21 Tue Apr 14, 1992 MARKANTHONY [Sandayu] at 22:22 EDT BTP 128 DOES support the 1670. I have been using both for years. SANDAYU ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 22 Wed Apr 15, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 04:32 EDT Jeff, BTP should run okey with the 1670. What happened when you tried using it? As to fine tuning the hi/lo baud adjust rates, following the suggestions in the Manual in the last paragraph of section 18.6 will pretty much let you find a good one. Generally, you will not want to make any change to the default Hi Byte setting, which tends to change the actual baud rate. If this has been changed, then BTP may not be running at 1200 baud, and may explain why the APROTEK MINI-C does not indicate it is running at 1200. Whenever you change modems, these settings will likewise need adjusting. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 23 Sun Jun 07, 1992 J.ROBERTSO34 [jeff] at 14:07 EDT Sorry for the long time to respond regarding my trouble with X-Modem downloads with Bob's Term Pro. I discovered that the culprit was having "The Final Cartridge III" attached. It was turned off by software command but apparently wasn't transparent. My current problem is achieving 1200 Baud. I had to trim the Lo-Byte sum to 65 to eliminate Xmission errors. So now when I communicate with Genie its error free but at about 900 Baud. I guesstimate that by timing my buffer use. Now here's catch, I use the same settings on Compuserve and the LED for 1200 IS lit and the exchange is noticably faster.As soon as my modem (Aprotek Mini-C) hears Genie's connect carrier the 1200 baud indicator goes out Any thoughts or suggestions? ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 24 Mon Jun 08, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 01:07 EDT Jeff, I would check to see if the parameter files which you use for GEnie are the same as those you are using to call other places. The same settings ought to have the modem respond the same. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 25 Sat Jun 13, 1992 J.ROBERTSO34 [jeff] at 07:56 EDT Howie, They are the same. That's what makes it so weird. The RS232, modem andeven the choice of screen colors are identical?. Perplexing ehh? ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 26 Fri Jun 19, 1992 T.HOBBS.II at 23:25 EDT Alas, I have purchase a Swiftlink cartridge from CMD and have discovered BTP 64 isn't compatible (they say Bob Lentini won't rewrite the files as an update.) I really like the software (with only a few minor quirks) . Can we not plead our case for further suppor Currently I'm looking at WIZARD, Novaterm, or Bellterm as a replacement. Any suggestions as to which might be a similar product? Thanks, Tom Hobbs ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 27 Sat Jun 20, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 02:31 EDT Tom, The three which you mentioned, BellTerm, Wizard and NovaTerm are all solid choices, and you might consider using all three, selecting the appropriate one for any specific task, as for example, Wizard while here on GEnie. :) There are a few other Terms that I have heard mentioned favorably, and hopefully someone can post about them. Certainly Kermit if you are accessing any main frames. Howie ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 28 Sun Jun 21, 1992 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] at 23:43 EDT Bob Lentini has long been out of the CBM 8 bit world. It is a commentary on the quality of his work that it is still being sold commercially. What is your main interest in telecommunications. If you are mainly interested in ANSI and games, etc. NovaTerm is the only choice at present to support it. If you are interested in conferences, up/download etc. you can probably do with any of the ones you mention. Wizard was written specifically for GEnie. I don't know how happily it would communicate outside of GEnie. I can tell you some about BellTerm, since I wrote it. Nick Rossi, who wrote NovaTerm, has been known to respond to questions here. But the best answer will be determined by the use you want to make of the term. ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 29 Mon Aug 03, 1992 SKIZ [SKIZ] at 06:37 EDT Using BTP 128 with GEnie, Control Q & S starts and stops scroll. Dialogue 128 toggles scroll with the No Scroll key. Can GEnie or BTP be configured to use the No Scroll key? ------------ Category 8, Topic 14 Message 30 Tue Aug 04, 1992 HOWIE-CBM at 17:45 EDT Skiz, Well, you can use the following keys: keypress to send and do ======== ========= ====== HOME Control S stop scroll down arrow Control Q resume scroll And if you have a 1351 in port 1, pressing a mouse's left button will send whatever you may have assigned to function key 8. Howie ------------