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------------ ************ Topic 6 Sat Jan 14, 1989 KAUS at 18:42 EST Sub: 5.25 TO 3.5 DRIVE COPY PROGRAMS FROM 5.25 TO 3.5 DRIVE 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 6 Message 1 Sat Jan 14, 1989 KAUS at 18:45 EST Can any one tell me of a program that lets me put my 5.25 programs on the 3.5 disk drive. some of the programs are copy protected but I should have the right to put Them on the new disk. it loads faster and has more room! please let me know if you can help. KAUS ------------ Category 17, Topic 6 Message 2 Mon Feb 20, 1989 C128.CPM [Bill] at 17:42 EST KAUS, there are several good copy programs that will let you copy from the 5 1/4 drives to the 3 1/2 drive. Be aware, however, that some programs will look for specific areas on a disk (T & S) and the '81 drive doesn't match the '71 (or '41) drive. These programs will copy, but not run. When you bought the drives, you were given a demo disk which has several copy programs on it. There are many commercial and Public Domain programs available to do this, also. One that comes to mind is NERDCOPY (C-128) uploaded by EBBS. ------------ ************ Topic 26 Fri Jun 12, 1987 SPARROW.J at 23:06 EDT Sub: Programming the 1581 disk drive! Now that Commodore's latest (and in my opinion greatest) disk drive for the C- 128 and C-64 is now available on the retail level, I decided to start a topic on programming and using the 1581! 14 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 1 Fri Jun 12, 1987 SPARROW.J at 23:36 EDT The creation of Partition's and Subdirectories: Perhaps the neatest thing about the 1581, besides its speed and storage capacity is its ability is your ability to create partitions and subdirectories. This ability makes the organization of a high capacity drive's files much more managable. Partition's on the 1581 are created through the use of the command channel. Partitions show up on your directories as "CBM" files (a new filetype implemented in the 1581's upgraded version of Commodore DOS). Here is how you create a partition: Open 15,8,15,"/0:par-name,"+chr$(starting track)+chr$(starting sector)+ chr$(low byte of # blocks)+chr$(high byte of # blocks)+",C" :Close 15 Partitions are nothing more than protected areas of disk space. Once a partition has been created the specifed area on the disk is protected from BAM allocation changes and validates (COLLECT). One must be very careful not to create a partition that includes the 1581's directory track, track 40. Doing so will make your disk somewhat useless although I am conviced that something along these lines is going to be used as a copy protection device if commercial software vendors ever decide to market software in the 3.5" format. Partitions are handy things because it makes it possible for foreign formats and bizarre stuff t"live" on the same disk as normal fomatted data. For instance you can have a disk with both CP/M and native mode data on the same diskette (in addition it is looking quite possible that many really foreign MFM formats..like Atari ST may be able to live and even be read with the 1581.) In addition, provided your partition is created in such a way that it meets the following criteria you can format the partitioned area and thereby create a "sub-directory" (actually a directory of files that lives inside of the main or ROOT directory). The criteria that your partition must adhere for the creation of a sub- directory is as follows: 1) The partition area must be at least 120 blocks in size. 2) The startind sector must be 0. 3) The ending sector must be a multiple of 40. If your partition qualifies you can create a subdirectory as follows: 1. Select the partition via the command channel using: Open 15,8,15,"/0:partition name" 2. Format the area using the normal HEADER command or N0:name, id etc. Now you have a nifty directory inside of your main directory. You can return to the main directory by either issuing a DCLEAR (i0) or selecting it via the command channel via: Open 15,8,15,"/":close 15 Note that DOS will chew up 40 blocks in your sub-directory for BAM etc. Try it..you can select your partition from any application program that allows you to send a command via the command channel (most of the best packages allows this.) Don't have a 1581? Don't blame me anymore..they are out there now..it is up to you...and your checkbook!! ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 2 Sat Jun 13, 1987 KEVIN.S at 01:55 EDT Interesting info, Loren, thanks! Ouch, did I hear you say that DOS sequesters 10k of overhead for each directory? Hmmm. (It's all relative... I have over 100k in directories on my hard disk at work; but still!) KeS ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 3 Sat Jun 13, 1987 SPARROW.J at 18:53 EDT Once you format a partition, your blocks free total is 40 blocks less than the amount you specify in your partition creation command (i.e. the high byte/low byte in the Print #15 bit). --Sparrow James ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 4 Sat Jun 20, 1987 LGBRYAN [R F MAN] at 21:04 MDT IF THE 1581 IS OUT THERE I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE TO ADVERTISE IT......... I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHEN IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE DISTRUBTERS FOR A LONG TIME NOW AND WONDERING ABOUT THE PRICE??????????? IF IT IS AVAILABLE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE AND FOR HOW MUCH......... I CANNOT EVEN FIND OUT WHERE I CAN GET THE UPGRADE ROMS FOR THE 1571 OR THE C-128. PEOPLE ADVERTISE THEM BUT WHEN I CALL THEY SAY THEY CANT GET THEM FROM COMMODORE........ USUALLY PEOPLE ADVERTISE THINGS LIKE THE 1581 DRIVE MONTHS BEFORE THEY HAVE THEM IN STOCK..... AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE ADVERTISE THEM IN THE MAGS YET... ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 5 Sun Jun 21, 1987 CHARRINGTON [Courtney] at 00:20 PDT I'm getting the same story on the 128-D. Most mailorder houses are advertising them because of the lead time in placing the ad. I called about a half dozen last week and they all says...maybe in a month they will be available. Another promised deadline from Commodore...shot to hell. Courtney ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 6 Sun Jun 21, 1987 MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-] at 12:32 EDT LGB - You should have no trouble acquiring the ROMS from a local CBM Service Center. Check the list which came with your equipment, or tell us what city you live in. I've yet to see a 1581 locally either, but it shouldnt be much more of a wait. ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 7 Tue Jun 23, 1987 SPARROW.J at 01:47 EDT You should definately contact your local dealer because several of dealers around the country already have them. From my visit to CBM over the weekend I did learn that the first shipment was a small one (a few thousand) so it is possible the '81s will be in short supply for a while. --Sparrow James ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 8 Tue Jun 23, 1987 JMAXWELL [Aileron] at 22:44 EDT Well!!!I got a 1581 last Thursday in Kenmore, NY for 219.00... Seems to be great. Good manual with expanded definition of SEQ and REL files. Had to send away to CBM(19,95)for the CP/M disk which will let me use the 1581 in CP/M mode. If and when I get it, I will then be the fortunate owner of four(4)SYS,CCP disks. Thanks CBM. ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 9 Thu Jun 25, 1987 SPARROW.J at 01:27 EDT Don't blame CBM for the 1581 CP/M snafu, blame DRI's lawyers. In fact, for a while over the past few months it looked like that DRI's corporate greed was going to prevent 1581 CP/M from ever becoming a reality (although I am convinced a user-hack would have surfaced perhaps with the help of a friendly engineer or two that are as unhappy with this DRI-$19.95 deal as we are). Of course the one good thing about it, is that they decided not to simply pass the entire $19.95 surcharge off to every consumer who purchased the 1581. At least with this plan, you only pay for 1581 CP/M if you want it. --Sparrow James ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 10 Fri Aug 07, 1987 S.PLATYPUS at 01:14 EDT the 81's have hit Massachusetts! Check your local Toyz be them! $219 Platypus your local technopus, out! ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 11 Fri Aug 07, 1987 MICHAEL.M [-:SysOp:-] at 02:00 EDT Same in the Bay area Toys is Us. $219 here too. (Cute l'il things) ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 12 Mon Oct 12, 1987 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] at 23:16 EDT ComputAbility (mail order) has the 1581 for $189.00. I just got mine. ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 13 Tue Oct 13, 1987 BKODADEK at 23:33 EDT Try Computer Direct for $ 179.95. 22292 N. Pepper Rd. Barrington, IL 60010 312- 382-5244 Bob ------------ Category 17, Topic 26 Message 14 Sun Nov 08, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 16:11 CST Computer Direct is out. try Tussey computer 1-800-468-9044. $197+ $8.00 shipping. Youll get it in bout 3 days. ------------ ************ Topic 29 Sun Mar 26, 1989 P.GELSMAN (Forwarded) Sub: 1581 directory sort Im looking for a a prg that will sort a directory alphabetically on a 1581 drive. 3 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 29 Message 1 Sun Mar 26, 1989 P.GELSMAN (Forwarded) Hi,Is there a prg online or does anyone have a prg that will sort a 1581 disk directory in alphabetical order? Please reply via E-mail,as I keep getting lost in this BBS here.thank you! ------------ Category 17, Topic 29 Message 2 Mon Mar 27, 1989 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) PG, If you have Pocket Writer2, it will do what you want , very easilly. Just load your #1581 directory, make a block of the titles, do a sort of the block, and you'll have your directory listing in alphabetical order. This can then be saved, printed, or saved as a sequential file, to be read by other "readers". Howie ------------ Category 17, Topic 29 Message 3 Mon Mar 27, 1989 DO-RAE-MI (Forwarded) IF YOU MEAN A PROGRAM THAT WILL SORT THE DIRECTORY INTO ALPHABETICAL ORDER ON DISK OR ALLOW SUCH REARRANGEMENT, FILE NUMBER 4803 SORT 1581 WILL ALPHABETIZE THE DIRECTORY AND IT IS A 1581 ONLY PROGRAM. FILE NUMBER 5156 YELLOW PAGES V. 2 ALLOWS REAARANGEMENT IN SUBDIRECTORIES. BOTH THESE FILES ARE IN LIBRARY 4. BOTH HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE & I DON'T KNOW OF ANY BUG RELATED COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM, BUT BE SURE TO HAVE A SPARE COPY OF THE FILES YOU ARE ALPHABETIZING. IF THE POWER GOES A BIT AWRY WHILE THE PROGRAM IS WRITING, THE DIRECTORY CAN ALWAYS BE TRASHED EVEN THOUGH THE PROGRAM IS PICTURE PERFECT IN FUNCTION---THINK OF IT AS TERRORISM BY POWER COMPANIES & LARGE APPLIANCE USERS. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE A SPEEDUP BOARD OR CHIP OR WHAT EVER, THE PROGRAM MAY NOT WORK WITH IT. PROGRAMS HAVE THAT ODD HABIT. I REPEAT KEEP A SPARE COPY OF ALL FILES ON THE DISK YOU ARE GOING TO ALPHABETIZE, THEN TEST THE LOT JUST TO MAKE SURE. (DO I SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO GOT RELIGION WHEN A DISK TRASHED ITSELF WITHOUT ANY REASON? WELL, I AM. SO DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DID!) TED ------------ ************ Topic 32 Mon Oct 12, 1987 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] at 23:19 EDT Sub: Novice 1581 User I have had the 1581 and 128 for a while, just got the 1581. I need some Mickey Mouse questions answered. 5 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 32 Message 2 Sun Oct 25, 1987 JDCLARK at 02:54 EDT Barbee, I'm sure there are many people who will be glad to answer you're questions about the 1581 if you post them here. Otherwise you can send me Email, and I'll answer them! JDCLARK ------------ Category 17, Topic 32 Message 3 Sun Oct 25, 1987 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] at 15:31 EST Question one: Why does the 1581 hate relative files... Especially the ones that Timeworks products use? Question two: What are the advantages/ disadvantages of using the 1581 or 1571 as drive 8 or drive 9? ------------ Category 17, Topic 32 Message 4 Mon Oct 26, 1987 SPARROW.J at 01:35 EST In my experience the 1581 does not hate relative files, in fact, it seems to perform much better than all the other Commodore drives I have used in the past. Perhaps Timeworks is doing some "wacky" stuff...i.e. are these things "run of the mill" relative files or do they have some quirks to help performance on the 1541/1571? --Sparrow James ------------ Category 17, Topic 32 Message 5 Mon Oct 26, 1987 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] at 22:32 EST Hmmm.... On all their products, they insert a Rel. file with nothing in it which naturally doesn't copy, but their Thesaurus for WordWriter is the real pain. When I go to copy it, (all relative files) it turns on both drives........... And then just sits there - green lights burning, no noise - and that's it. For 10o points, and the hand-painted ceramic dog, the answer, please! Any ideas? -=> Cliff <=- ------------ ************ Topic 33 Sun Oct 18, 1987 B.HAINEAULT at 20:45 EDT Sub: 1581 error 74 crashes ??? 1581/1541 in combination with a 64c. Used on a BBS 7 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 1 Sun Oct 18, 1987 B.HAINEAULT at 20:49 EDT The following combination creates "error 74" messages and locks-up the 11581. BBS system used with the 1581 (SEQ files), 1541 as the system disk and a 64C as the computer. Whenever the 1581 updates the files, it crashes with a "74" error. Now, on 2 1541's this problem doesn't occur and several local sources are at a loss to indicate the reason (...the disk is initialized before each access...) Has anyone experienced such problems ??? ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 2 Mon Oct 19, 1987 KEVIN.S [-Sysop-] at 01:39 EDT That is a "DRIVE NOT READY" message. Hmmm. No ideas off the top of my head, assuming the normal precautions: formatted disk in drive, nothing hanging off of the disk that might be interfering with the sensors. The drive works normally in other applicaions? KeS ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 3 Mon Nov 09, 1987 S.GUSTAFSON at 23:24 EST I have had the same problem trying to get my own BBS's message base to run on a 1581. Here it is the message boards that are on the disk drive; again, that Dos Error #74 pops up again every couple of hours. This isn't what happens when you get one of the early, bad 1581's that isn't grounded properly (or is it?) I am going to try to make it so that it sends an "I" to the drive every time the Dos Error message comes up, that may make it abort only once per read. But I took the first 1581 back assuming it was defective, only to have it start in again. I hope somebody out there **knows** of a solution. I don't like to put down Commodore, but....first the 1571....and now this! ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 4 Mon Nov 09, 1987 B.HAINEAULT at 23:41 EST ...the problem has been found ! It's the disk controler chip... The one in my drive is a 1770... Commodore says that it should be a 1772. After getting supperd help (!) from them in the USA, I had to battle with Commodore Canada and the local repair centre so that they would solve it once and for all... As of today, Commodore Canada, Commodore USA and the local repair centre all agree that the controler must be changed... One is being sent from the USA to the authorized centre in Montreal... TAKE NOTE !!!!! THE FLOPPY DISK CONTROLER ON SERIAL NUMBERS 4000 AND BELOW (+/-) CHECK THE CHIP AND MAKE SURE THAT THE GROUND CONNECTIONS AS DESCRIBED IN THE TRANSACTOR ARE DONE !!!! E R R O R 7 4 should not reappear. ...I hope that this will be the last of this fault (!) The amazing part was Commodores extremely quick response via CompuServe's CBM2000 board... They answerer by phone (!) within " 2 DAYS " !!!!! Salutations de Bruno... see you later ! /e ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 5 Tue Nov 10, 1987 S.GUSTAFSON at 23:34 EST Isn't this typical? First, the next wonder of the modern world, the 1571, and now this. I wonder how many more replacement chips will be needed before it works right. ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 6 Thu Nov 19, 1987 S.GUSTAFSON at 20:14 EST I've just talked to my very reliable and very good local Commodore service re. (E.J. Woidich, of Woidich Appliance, for readers in the Louisville KY and southern Indiana area.) At any rate, he informs me that the 1772 replacement chip can't be had directly from Commodore, and that it is apparently going to be necessary to order one from somebody out in Cali- fornia; and at any rate, they're getting to be rare as hen's teeth because of the demand for them to fix up defective 1581's. ------------ Category 17, Topic 33 Message 7 Fri Feb 12, 1988 H.HERMAN1 at 22:08 EST Okey folks! Here's the FINAL and official fix for the #1581. I spoke with Fred Bowen this afternoon and this is what he said: [1] Jumper at J1 should be a plain straight wire. Forget about the resistor. (Resistor was intended only to control timing, which isn't necessary.) The remainder of fix is as previously reported: [2] Replace any WD1770's with WD1772-00. [3] Check for proper grounding on pin 10 of U10. That's it! Now get those #1581's upgraded. Howie ------------ ************ Topic 35 Sat Nov 07, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 11:48 CST Sub: 1581/test-demo Trouble with disk? 4 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 35 Message 1 Sat Nov 07, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 11:55 CST I receive my 1581 a feww days ago, and it seems to work fine. Except for 1 thing: The second time I tried to use the test/demo disk, it wouldnt do anything! All I got was a disk error [23,read error,40,00] Nothing I tried worked, not even collect(in fact,that seemed to make it worse). Finally I tried to format it as a last resort, then copy to it, and I still get the same error. Any one had the same trouble? Is this just a bad disk? Where can I get a new one? p Please dont say Commodore Customer Service, I'm still waitng for ROMs from them! 9wks now ------------ Category 17, Topic 35 Message 2 Sun Nov 08, 1987 JOEBROWN [Joe Brown] at 13:52 EST The only thing that will ALWAYS cause that problem is if you power down the drive with the disk still in it, this is guaranteed to cause you this problem. ------------ Category 17, Topic 35 Message 3 Fri Nov 13, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 00:10 CST Wrong Joe. I have tried it (power-off with disk in drive) on purpose, just to see. But that dont do anything,at least not on MY drive. Tried with thre disks and every one worked fine after! ------------ Category 17, Topic 35 Message 4 Wed May 25, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] at 18:28 EDT HELP!!! Recently -- through no fault of my own, of course -- I managed to fry my 1581 Test/Demo disk. I am very, very interested in getting another copy of it. Anyone got an idea where I might find one? Thanx, -=> Cliff <=- ************ Topic 37 Fri Nov 13, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 01:54 CST Sub: 1581 to ????commodore If your interested in the 1581, and how to make it work,well Iguess this is The Place 5 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 37 Message 1 Fri Nov 13, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 02:04 CST I am only interested in Commodore Disk Drive users. I got my 1581 about the beginning of NOV., and want a GOOD copier prg..Something that will exactly duplicate 'files', not disks, from the 1571 to the 1581 One more thing is that the manual seems to specify a certain parameter(s) fo an auto boot file. I'm not much on m/l but if I can get a few pointers maybe I can come up with something. ANY comments, tips, hints, orwhat have you, will be rewarded! If you want to kno why 'files' and not 'disks', ask any ms-dos user ------------ Category 17, Topic 37 Message 2 Fri Nov 13, 1987 DEB at 20:57 EST I've used my BobsTerm Pro 128 for my own File Copier when I need it... <grin> Is there a version of Unicopy for the 1581? Will ARC's COPY command work from a '71 to an '81? *deb!* <without a 1581...> ------------ Category 17, Topic 37 Message 3 Sun Nov 15, 1987 B.GRAY [Brent] at 21:00 MST Kracker Jax sells a program called C-128 Cannon that works super with the 1571 & 1581... but only with the 128. If you have a 64 I'm not sure what to suggest. Brent ------------ Category 17, Topic 37 Message 4 Sat Nov 21, 1987 P.DRUMM1 at 00:35 CST YES! Arc 'copy' and 'move' do work as far as I've tried them, just to arc & unarc files. But what I am Looking for, and working on, is a mass copier. Something that will copy 1(or more) 1571 disks to 1581 disks, in order of file name. I have found that all (so far) files on the 1581 are contiguos, which save a lot of time in loading & saving. I do have a 128, but am not going to spend money fo this prg. when I can probably write my own in a few months or so. Thanks. ------------ Category 17, Topic 37 Message 5 Wed Feb 10, 1988 W.HATCH at 23:34 EST Hi :) In the latest issue of "Twin Cities 128", #19 back page, there is an advertisement by Free Spirit Software, Inc. for SUPER 81 UTILITIES. It seems to include copying whole disks from 1541/1571 to 1581, a file copier (BOTH ways), 1581 backups, etc. I have ordered one ($39.95), and as soon as I get it and try it out, I'll let you know if it's any good. Maybe someone else out there already knows. ----====> Belgarion <====---- ------------ ************ Topic 53 Fri Apr 15, 1988 E.BLANK (Forwarded) Sub: 1581 copy program Wanted: copy program for the 1581 3 1/2" disk drive 2 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 53 Message 1 Mon Jun 27, 1988 M.PALMER5 (Forwarded) I have the program 81 utilities from free spirit software and am not real impressed with it. Disk-wiz, which i downloaded from here works all most as good. the 81 utilities does have some partioning things that are not available yet. I just saw an advertisement for fast hackem V6.0 that includes 1581 support if you get the 128 version. It is by michael henry (?). the fellow that did all the other fantastic versions. But first down load the copying programs from here and practice until you know what you want to do MARK ------------ Category 17, Topic 53 Message 2 Wed Jul 20, 1988 C128.CPM (Forwarded) Mark, Just for kicks, what didn't you like about the Super '81 Utilities? I also bought it to help me with the '81, and did find some things that weren't too great, like lack of prompts BEFORE the '71 formats. A suggestion to any owner of this program is to put a write protect tab on the '71 disk, and open the notch on the 3 1/2 disk!! I thought that it wasn't all that bad! Bill J. ------------ ************ Topic 55 Fri Jun 24, 1988 E.G.BELL (Forwarded) Sub: 1581 snakebites Due to a known bug in the 1581 operating system, you WILL lose data w/o warning like the old save @ bug 10 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 1 Sat Jun 25, 1988 D.SCHMOLDT [Dave/SysOp] (Forwarded) E.G.BELL, Any details on what the bug is? Is it a save with replace bug, or just something similar. What should 1581 users be avoiding? ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 2 Mon Jun 27, 1988 C.MILLER16 [The Rooger] (Forwarded) Is this the bug caused by the WD1770 controller? I am sending my drive in to have the chip replaced with a wd1772, as it corrupted at least 1 of my disks. ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 3 Tue Jun 28, 1988 E.G.BELL (Forwarded) I did not make it to the meeting of our user group [Pittsburgh on the day that a rep from CBM was present, but I had mentioned it to a friend who brought it up at the mtg. and the CBM rep acknowledged the bug w/no elaboration and informed all of the arrangement for repairs. Sorry I don't have more info. I have been severely snakebitten on both saves and downloads. It does NOT seem to be a SAVE@: type bug. I don't use it. The first line of all of my source files is a doctored line which , when listed, displays the commands to 1) scratch the existing file 2) initialize drive 3) save the prg 4) verify the prg 5) close command channel I have gotten SAVE@: type errors w/one file name pointing to another file, and I have gotten DEL files when saving, and I have gotten files which DOS cannot find even though they are plainly on the disk. I want to get the drive fixed. I almost bought another until I heard this. I first learned of it in a write-up on the Merlin assembler in Run I believe. Anyone else w/any info would be welcome to me. ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 4 Fri Jul 08, 1988 E.G.BELL (Forwarded) I have more info on this bug, or more particularly, the repair. I got ift from an authorized service center that the repair is NOT free, and will cost $17 IF you can find someone w/the parts. Thanx cbm.... ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 5 Sun Jul 10, 1988 D.SCHMOLDT [Dave/SysOp] (Forwarded) Must be something other than the 1770 chip problem then, because that is covered by warranty, even after the 90 days. ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 9 Sat Jan 21, 1989 R.EVINGER at 23:16 EST i have one that hasnt been mentioned. does anybody know about why one can not create a relative file when in a partition in the 1581. i get an error 52??? anyone ------------ Category 17, Topic 55 Message 10 Sun Jan 22, 1989 H.HERMAN1 at 19:21 EST R.E. That is interesting. I tried just copying a file over to a partition.... Got an error "71", bad directory or something like that. Wonder why it took so long for anyone to notice this prob with REL files? Howie ------------ ************ Topic 63 Mon Jan 25, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) Sub: 1581 Partitions and WordWriter Okay; silly question time again! I use the 1581 as Drive 8 and my 1571 as Drive 9. I use WordWriter-128 and have a problem with Directory room. 16 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 1 Mon Jan 25, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) As I wuz saying, I use the Wordwriter-128 and the 1581. The problem I have is that Wordwriter allows only so much room for fil its directory. Therefore, when you reach the limit, your files stop appearing in the Wordwriter dirctory! My idea is this: Partition a 1581 disk so that I can enter a DOS command from Wordwriter to open the partition and use it as a sub-directory. Well techies? Can this be done? -=> Cliff <=- ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 2 Mon Jan 25, 1988 KEVIN.S [-128 Sysop-] (Forwarded) Don't see why not. KeS ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 3 Tue Jan 26, 1988 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) Now that you know it can be done, I quess you would also like to know the "how" part as well. That is real easy. Just enter your WP's DOS command. [For example with Pocket Writer2 it is a C=, C] This will then let you save, scratch, or open and close partitions. The command to open a partition is: /nameofpartition. With PW2 you also want to identify the drive it is on so you would use: 5:/nameofpartition. It is really too easy. Howie ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 4 Wed Jan 27, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) Otay; let me give it a try. Thanx, -=> Cliff <=- ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 5 Thu Jan 28, 1988 KEVIN.S [-128 Sysop-] (Forwarded) Thanks, Howie! Not having a 1581, I am not up on the extended DOS commands for it! KeS ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 6 Sun Jan 31, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) Wow! I'm still working on this little problem. I have advice for anyone who purchases the 1581: The first thing you should do to improve the operating of it is THROW AWAY THE MANUAL! It has this neat little section on partitions and sub-directories that is about as clear and informative as a Pres. Reagan speech! I would really appreciate it if some fine soul would talk me through the process necessary to put in the partitio, copy files into them, and then actually access them. If I see another DOS error message I'll scream... -=> Cliff <=- ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 7 Sun Jan 31, 1988 CHARRINGTON [Courtney] (Forwarded) You might want to touch bases with someone who has an IBM or clone. If they have a hard disk...they should know everything about partitions and how to use them. In a nutshell, my hard disk has about 20 subdirectories and each can be accessed like a seperate directory. If the main directory is named "main", I'll create a sub directory named "print" for all my printer files. The command in MS-DOS to create a sub directory is "mkdir" or "md" depending on what version of DOS is used. The commodore command must be listed in the manual...such as it is. I suggest you play around and see what happens. Try create a sub directory after the main one is ready. Then access it using what ever command is available. Confusing? Yep, that's why I suggest you visit someone with a hard disk. Once you SEE how it is done...the mystery will be gone. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Courtney ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 8 Mon Feb 01, 1988 WC.COLEMAN [Geos*Sysop] (Forwarded) While I don't know the actual commands anymore (scaned the manual once) I do remember they are *not* like MS-DOS (similar kinda). I'll try to get my hands on a manual again and see what I can find. ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 9 Mon Feb 01, 1988 CHARRINGTON [Courtney] (Forwarded) If someone can give me the 1581 commands, I should be able to come up with something that may work. Hard disks is hard disks. Come to think of it...maybe Commodore makes their partitioning different from anything else on earth. I wouldn't be surprised. <sigh> 8p 80 (oops) Courtney ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 10 Thu Feb 04, 1988 R.WONG2 (Forwarded) Well hard disks may be hard disks but the 1581 ain't a hard disk. Use the program on the test/demo disk called partition aid to create and enter a subdirectory, that may help you understand it a little better. ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 11 Thu Feb 04, 1988 CHARRINGTON [Courtney] (Forwarded) I agree...hard disks and the 1581 are different animals. But we're talkin' about partitions here. The theory of partition use is the same on HD or floppies. Once you understand the reason for them, then figuring out how to use them is simple. Don't be afraid to learn something new. Courtney ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 12 Thu Feb 11, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) I've figured-out a bit about it, but I still can't enter the command through WordWriter's DOS option. ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 13 Thu Feb 11, 1988 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) Most all major WP programs let you enter DOS for opening and closing partitions. (Not necessarlly for setting them up..) I am pretty sure that yours can do it too. Keep trying. Howie ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 14 Sun Feb 14, 1988 C.BARBEE [FUSBINWA] (Forwarded) What I need to know is the EXACT format for opening and closing partitions from the DOS menu in WordWriter. I can do it if I can discover the right damn syntax!!! ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 15 Tue Feb 16, 1988 DEB [*SysOp*] (Forwarded) Cliff: I don't HAVE Word Writer, but why won't the same syntax as you use in direct mode work from the DOS menu in the program?! *deb!* (asking silly questions again, no doubt...) ------------ Category 17, Topic 63 Message 16 Wed Feb 17, 1988 H.HERMAN1 (Forwarded) One sure way for it to work, but not the most elegant: From your DOS: [1] get a directory. [2] immediately follow that with: /partitionname This must open your partition!! To close: [1] [1] get a directory [2] immediatley follow that with: / this must close your partition. Howie (excuse appearance....doing this in real-time. ------------ Sysop-]