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************ Topic 10 Sun Jan 17, 1993 E.RAFANAN (Forwarded) Sub: Programming in C Any tips, tricks, etc. for programming in C using Power C 58 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 1 Sun Jan 17, 1993 E.RAFANAN (Forwarded) Anybody have any experience using Power C? I've been playing around with it for awhile now, and it seems like a pretty good package, but there are a few shortcomings to it, such as: The 'peek' function seems to have a bug in it - it corrupts certain variables when it is called. The shell doesn't like RAMDOS - no matter where you put the interface page, it eventually locks up on you. The disk directory functions don't like the 1581. Also, the 'opendir' function wants to call a drive by 'unit' instead of 'device' number. And there is hardly any info on ow to write more functions in machine language for use by Power C. Power C is still a pretty good package all-in-all - especially when their isn't much more to choose from! :D Does anybody have any more info, source, etc. on using Power C? I've already got most everything on Genie. I would gotten the stuff on QLink, but I cancelled my account.... :( Thanks in advance! Eric Rafanan ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 2 Tue Jan 19, 1993 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) Eric- I've used Power C 128 a little. It worked fine with my 1581, though I didn't try using the directory functions. Are you using a 128 or a 64? Re: writing ML functions, there were a few articles in the Transactor that discussed doing this with Power C 64. Doing it with Power C 128 is basically the same, though some of the memory locations are different. I did some work on figuring this out; probably ought to write it up :) There are (at least) two relevant Transactors. I wasn't very neat in taking notes on where the articles were :), but I have dug this up: Volume 8, Issue 5, Page 36 I'll try to figure out what the other article I found was. I agree that Power C is a nice package. There _is_ actually another C compiler for the 128 - Super C, from Abacus. Not sure which one produces better code, is faster, etc., but from what I've seen (I've got 'em both, but haven't done a whole heck of a lot of C on my 128), I prefer Power C. For one, it lets you create standalone applications. Also, I like the way it memory maps better, and (because of Transactor articles and easier-to-hack modules) I've made better progress in figuring out a good way to write ML modules for C programs! ANYBODY: Is there an index of Transactor articles out there anywhere? In any database format? You know, with Keywords, titles, page numbers, and the like? That'd be useful as heck! -Rob ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 3 Tue Jan 19, 1993 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded) That is on my to-do list, Rob, though I am still in need of Volume 4 issues 4- 6 for my own collection. (Don't have anything prior to Vol 4 in case you got that impression). There was a Bits and Pieces book that contained all of them up to a point. A person *could* type up a list of the article, bits, etc. and use my indexer program to cross-reference the stuff. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 4 Wed Jan 20, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Eric, I believe that Ben Pedersen(sp?) either amassed or wrote or both tons of Library files for Power C to do lots of things, including graphics. I have never used any of this, so all my info comes from reading postings about it. I am pretty sure that I saw where he uses it with 1581 drives as well as a REU. I am not sure if we have all these files here on GEnie. If not, I can try to get these. Rob, I believe that an index of Transactor articles already exists. I will inquire to find out for sure. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 5 Thu Jan 21, 1993 F.CANANZI (Forwarded) Speaking of Power C 128. Anyone know where to get this version. I have the 64 version .. it's the same really .. just that the 128 version is compiled with the 128 version. At least that is what i'm told. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 6 Fri Jan 22, 1993 CBM-MARK (Forwarded) Power C is no longer marketed, you'll have to try rounding up a used copy. ~~Mark~~ ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 7 Fri Jan 22, 1993 C.OGLE2 [breadstick] (Forwarded) Hmmm.... Power C I don't know about, but Briwall is still selling "Super C" 64 and 128 for $49. Don't know if there's too much difference between that and Power, though... ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 8 Fri Jan 22, 1993 E.RAFANAN (Forwarded) Thanks for all the iinfo guys! As far as writing ML functions, there's an assembler for Power C in the libs. You might be able to figure out the filename.o format from seeing how they're made. :D Actually, I don't know how informative it really is since I haven't had a chance to look through it yet. I saw some stuff on Qlink but I don't know how much of that applies to Power C. Anyway, thanks for all the info again! Can't wait to hear more. Thanks! ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 9 Sat Jan 23, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Rob, I checked with Malcolm O'Brien to see if he knew if any index of Transactor articles existed. He said this was one of the things they had intended to do, but never got around to. So, as far as I know there isn't a complete index available at this time. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 10 Sat Jan 23, 1993 F.CANANZI (Forwarded) Howie... Malcolm is a sysop on Compuserve . It is my understanding that Compuserve has a large section of Transactor material on line .... Think we could get that material and add it here ? ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 11 Sun Jan 24, 1993 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) I've gone through the Tables of Contentesisesis of the Transactors that I have (was challenging when the bulb gave out on the little 30x microscope I use to read the microfiche editions), and this is what I've come up with for article related to Power C Vol Iss Page Title (probably paraphrased) --------------------------------------------- 7 5 34 A Tale of Two C's [comparison of Power C and Super C] 8 5 36 The Link Between C and Assembly [MOST excellent article!] 8 5 42 Maintinaing the Power C Library 9 3 56 Serial I/O in Power C 9 4 26 The 64 Power C Shell [This one isn't in Tab. of Contents!] 9 5 34 Implmenting a RAMdisk [for Power C 64] 9 5 50 C Problems, Tips, & Observations 9 5 68 A _glob_ function for Power C The 8(5):36 article is the one which is most relevant to writing assembly functions for use with C. The article is written for Power C 64, but the structure of Power C 128 linker files is the same as those for Power C 64. What is different is the memory map; locations of things like argument storage and system variables, zero page usage, and such differ between Power C 64 and Power C 128. I've figured some of it out from using the C128 monitor to dissassemble and hex dump both Power C 128 linker library functions as well as short little compiled programs that I've written. However, it's been a few months, and I would hesitate to write here anything from my haphazard notes that I probably don't understand any more. I will write more if I figure it out well enough to stake at least a little reputation on it :) -Rob ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 12 Sun Jan 24, 1993 CBM-ED [e.g.bell] (Forwarded) You know, for those of us who have most of the Transactors, it might be an interesting project to come up with a format for an index and then each do one up within that format. We could index it by topic at first, then perhaps by keyword later. I don't know what is available on other platforms, but my Indexer program does a creditable job of indexing things based on a word/phrase list you supply, and it is quite fast. It would make a nice reference for those who need information, even when they do not have the T. Make it easier on those w/the T to answer their questions when they can refer to a specific vol/issue/page #/article, etc. More work.... just a thought tho BTW, when I said 'each do one up w/in that format', I meant each do, say, 1 volume. Since there are only 36 magazines really involved (from my standpoint..... volumes 4-9) it would be a project, but do-able. The TOC would be easy at first, the bits and letters would have to be done individually for page number, as would the TransBloopurz, but dissecting the job like this certainly makes it seem smaller. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 13 Sun Jan 24, 1993 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) I doubt I would make any files from the Transactor live unless I had legal proof the files were PD or freely distributable. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 14 Mon Jan 25, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) As JBEE correctly notes Transactor programs are not in the PD. In fact, I believe that these files are no longer regularly available on CIS. Instead Malcolm will give the files to anyone interested, on request. So, if there are one or two things of interest, I can port it over here, but it would have to be only thru e-mail transfer. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 15 Tue Jan 26, 1993 R.KNOP1 [Rob Knop] (Forwarded) Or, it's time to bribe/cajole/threaten/blackmail Malcom into getting online here on GEnie... :) -Rob ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 16 Wed Jan 27, 1993 A.BURGER [Alex Burger] (Forwarded) It is possible to make CPower64 work with an REU, but not the C128 version. I played around with it a while ago, and figured out how to make it work, but I never got around to actually fixing it. I hope I still have the scaps of paper that had the info on it! Finding a page in memory to place RAMDos isn't a big problem. I actually had it installed in page 4, which is the 40 column screen. I was able to get a directory listing etc inside the shell, but things wouldn't compile. Here's why: When Adrian modified CPower64 to work with RAMDos64, one of the things he did was make a change to the CC command. Originally, Brian (Hilchie, the author) wrote the CC command so that it would join two files using the DOS CONCAT command. According to Fred Bowen, RAMDOS 64 and 128 don't support this command. All that is needed is to patch the code so that it does the CONCAT manually. If I can find my scraps of paper, I might actually do the fix for it next week.. It's been a while though. :) BTW, Ben Pederson uploaded all his files to CRS a couple years ago. if you want, I can get a file listing of all the files in the CPower directory for you. Alex P.S. I just found my scraps! ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 17 Wed Jan 27, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Rob, Just hollar if there is something specific I can get for you. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 18 Thu Jan 28, 1993 C128.JBEE (Forwarded) Get that listing ;) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 19 Thu Jan 28, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Alex, CRS? Not familair with it. I do know that they are on (also?) The Learning Experience BBS. Haven't been on there for a while but as I recall an entire section was set aside for all those Power C Library files. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 20 Wed Feb 03, 1993 A.BURGER [Alex Burger] (Forwarded) re: CRS I'd say it's more like the Learning Experience BBS echo CRS's NANET conferences. :) CRS is a PcBoard system running with 200 nodes. They support many comupters including the C64. I used to be the 'COMMODORE CHAIRMAN' of the GEOS/C64 conference. You may have seen that name before.. :) I'll capture the list next time I'm on. I guess I'll just upload the file. Alex ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 21 Thu Feb 04, 1993 HOWIE-CBM (Forwarded) Alex, Yes, I have seen the COMMODORE CHAIRMAN! :) Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 22 Sat Feb 20, 1993 E.RAFANAN (Forwarded) Well about the bugs I found in Power C 128... thanks to certain individuals on GEnie, the fixes for a couple of them have been made available. The peek-poke bug has a fix - it's in assembly so you'll aolso need to get the C-assembler (here on GEnie). The 1581 is also supported now - I believe it is also in assembly. Pretty interesting stuff. I also saw the source for the Power C 64 "newcc" command. It doesn't look to hard to adapt so that the C128 can use RAMDos. Of course, buying a RAMLink would be alot easier... :D Later! ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 23 Thu May 13, 1993 D.HARKER1 [Dan] at 22:48 EDT For those who are looking for Power C. I just received the Summer 1993 Software Support catalog. In the liquidations & closeouts section (page 91) they list the Spinnaker:Better Working Power C for $9.97. (Power C contains both c64 & c128 in one package.) Also listed are: Better Working Power Assembler BASIC compilers (64 & 128) COBAL (64 & 128) Fortran (64) Software Support International 2700 NE Andresen Rd.,Suite A-10 Vancouver, Wa. 98661 U.S.A. USA and Canada order line: 1-800-356-1179 Other countries call: 1-206-695-1393 Fax order line: 1-206-695-0059 They accept Mastercard, Visa, Discover, and COD ($4.50 charge). Dan ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 24 Sat May 15, 1993 HOWIE-CBM at 11:57 EDT Dan, Thanks!! I called and ordered my copy of Power C this AM. Howie ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 25 Wed Oct 06, 1993 D.SCHWARTZ at 04:04 EDT Just out of curiosity... I have a C compiler from a company called Proline that's called "C POWER 64". Is that the same as what you have all been refering to as POWER C? Last question... I might be able to enjoy using Super-C if it wasn't for the stupid copy protection! I would like to load the entire system disk onto my 1581 and do everything on it, mainly because I have JiffyDOS in my 1581 and not in my 1571. Because of the stupid copy protection, I have to wait what seems to be an eternity for the compiler, linker, and editor to load off the 1571 every time I need them (which is too often) and I barely notice any advantage in using the 1581 other than the fact that it holds more!! How much can you speed up the reading or writing of a small source-file!?? Does Abacus possibly have a 1581 version? Thanx- Derek ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 26 Wed Oct 06, 1993 CMD-DOUG at 19:19 EDT Call them about that. I seem to recall making a 1581 version of Super C during my tenure at Abacus. Been a while, though, so it's hard to recall. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 27 Fri Oct 08, 1993 D.HARKER1 [Dan] at 23:15 EDT Derek, I believe I have this right: Someone (I don't know who) wrote a C package that was marketed in Canada by Proline and it was called "C POWER" (there were versions for both the c64 & c128). Proline in turn sold the U.S. rights to Spinnaker who sold the C package as "POWER C". About Super-C: I haven't used this package myself, but I have heard that it has some quirks that make it non- K&R standard (the standard before ANSI), that it wouldn't generate free- standing programs, and yes that it is copy protected. If I'm wrong about this someone out there please correct me. If I can make a suggestion: Get a copy of POWER C by Spinnaker (this is what I am currently using). It isn't copy protected (I have used it on 8250 and CMD-HD-40 drives); it will generate executables to be run from under the C shell or as free-standing programs; and both c64 & c128 versions (with bug- fixes over the older C POWER) are included in the same package. About 2-3 months ago I saw POWER C being sold by Software Support (800-356-1179 for orders) for I believe $10.00. The down side to POWER C: it is a bare bones package with just the basic libraries (I've been spoiled by the VOLUMES of libraries that a certain super-charged C package for the blue machines contain), but POWER C does contain a library making utility and costs a lot less than other C packages. About speed: If you are using a c128, POWER C allows you to set-aside a bank for a ram-disk while you are under the C-shell (I stash the editor, compiler, and linker there). This won't help the speed of reading source files, but files in the ram disk load very quickly. For my own curiosity... How many people out there are trying to learn C- language? Are you having problems? I'm no expert but maybe I can help. Dan ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 28 Sat Oct 09, 1993 C128.JBEE at 00:23 EDT Been a while but when I got Super C from Abacus I had to return it because it wouldn't run off my MSD drives! Which were all I had for 5.25 drives at the time (I love these drives;). ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 29 Sat Oct 09, 1993 A.PEROTTI at 15:35 EDT I have Super C 128 and have been using "Teach Yourself C" by Charles Siegel to try and learn the language bit by bit. Dan, do you recommend any specific text or other tool to speed up the learning process. I've been at it - off and on - for a couple of years now. Tony ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 31 Mon Oct 11, 1993 C128.JBEE at 01:05 EDT Well, next time don't drop it on your toe ;D ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 32 Mon Oct 11, 1993 F.OGLE [Color BBS] at 01:15 EDT I heard a rumour of cranky MSD drives becoming disgruntled and "biting" the hand that feeds tham disks ... ;) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 33 Tue Oct 12, 1993 MIKE.DUNCAN at 22:13 EDT Dan, I got one of those Power C packages from SSI, and was wondering what would be the best way to set it up. Haven't really had a chance to get started yet. I'll be installing it on a C-128 with a CMD HD, RAMLink, 1571, and 1750 REU. Any suggestions? ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 34 Sat Oct 16, 1993 D.HARKER1 [Dan] at 02:13 EDT Tony, Funny you should mention 2-years, I had a copy of Power-C in the closet for about that long. I had tried it and couldn't make heads-or-tails of it. When the company I work for offered to send me to classes for C-programming I jumped at the chance and soon learned where my problems were: 1. The books I had gotten were written assuming you would be programming on a Clone or under UNIX. 2. I had tried to learn C based on what I knew of BASIC. This caused me problems. (Kind'a like trying to learn Russian based on what you know of English.) The syntax and structure of C is very different from BASIC. Back to your question about books. You need books that show C from a generic point of view. Try the following: Practical C Programming by Steve Oualline ISBN 0-937175-65-X Programming in C by Stephen G. Kochan ISBN 0-672-48420-X C Programming Guide by Jack J. Purdum ISBN 0-88022-157-7 I don't know of any tools that will speed up the learning. The only way to learn programming is to program, but that puts you in a catch-22 situation. I'm not sure how far you have gotten with the basics of C. Do you know what functions, the preprocessor, the compiler, and the linker are? Would some program fragments with comments help? Mike, I don't have a RAMlink so I can't say about it, but I do have a CMD HD with Power-C installed on it. I have three 1-meg native type partitions set-up; 'power c work dsk', 'power c library', and 'power c utility'. Into 'power c work dsk' (I made this one bootable) I placed 'shell', 'shell2', all the executables (files ending in .sh), and all the header files (files ending in .h). You'll find these files on the 'Editor/ Compiler Package: Side A' floppy. Into 'power c library' I placed the remainder of the files from the 'Editor/Compiler Package: Side A' and all the files from the 'Function Libraries: Side B' floppy. I have reserved 'power c utility' for utilities that weren't part of the original C-package, pieces of source code I'm not currently working on, and general misc. stuff. This allows automatic resolution of functions so I wouldn't get the 'place the floppy in the drive' prompts (Power-C was set-up for floppys). Check out the file setcm.arc #13239 on setting the shell drive unit numbers to CMD partition numbers. Hmmm..... I just had a thought. If you or anyone else doesn't already know how to program in C you won't be able to make use of setcmd.arc. Do you know how to program in C? I'll rework setcmd.arc into a executable with prompts and upload the executable for novices. I hope this helps and doesn't confuse you. Dan ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 35 Sun Oct 17, 1993 A.PEROTTI at 01:03 EDT Hi Dan, Thanks for the response, I will look up some of those books soon. Using a book and the program documentation I have successfully written, compiled and linked working programs, so I know it can be done. You are right about the Catch-22 situation. I too am suffering under the Ghost of BASIC past, even though I'm not much of a programer in that language either. What I think I need to do is finish the book I have (teach yourself...C) and start a few programming projects to get my feet wet. Tony ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 36 Mon Oct 18, 1993 D.SCHWARTZ [FORBIN ONE] at 04:56 EDT Yeah, Super-C is copy protected. I hate the way you are forced to use that stupid command shell. Why can't someone write a "C" compiler for the C-64 or C-128 that will load straight in and ask for a source file name and automatically link it together like some of the compilers I have used on MS- DOS and CP/M systems? Super-C-64 will give you the choice to select where you will be using the program: The command shell or BASIC v2. The 128 version requires that you make a run-disk to run your programs. Pretty stupid, since the main thing I would want to do with any programs I write is to upload them to local boards as single files! The C POWER 64 that I have by Proline seems like it was pretty good for the time it was written, but it has the same stupid command shell that Super-C has. One cool thing about Super-C is that it comes with graphics and I/O libraries. Proline doesn't seems to have much but the basics, although I havn't tried to compile anything with it. I tried to compile a few sample programs from the "C" programming class that I took at a local community college and although they were supposed to run on any ANSI standard compiler, Super-C would error out unless certain things were typed in exactly the way that the instruction manual showes! That would make it just about impossible to PORT a program from another system! ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 37 Mon Oct 18, 1993 D.BURR at 22:23 EDT Neither program is particularly viable at present, as both are old fashioned Kernighan and Ritchie style compilers rather than the newer ANSI standard that most books teach. Also, each of them is really just a subset of K and R; no bit fields, very temperatmental about assigning structures and unions, blah blah blah. In short the learning curve is rough due to these numerous incompatibilities with current texts, and there is really no reason to use such a limited version of C on an 8 bit computer; you can't use all that nifty c-code from other computers, and pure assembler is smaller and faster. I did hear on Internet that a group was proposing a fully ANSI-compliant compiler for the 64 and 128, but never heard if they got around to doing it or not. ANSI compliance would at least give it some functionality as a learning tool, and make porting code MUCH easier. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 38 Tue Oct 19, 1993 C.TAYLOR37 [C=Hacking] at 07:06 EDT Re: Group on the Internet doing the C Compiler.... The Group is still active but... it's getting bogged down in details unfortunately and is intermittant in terms of work actually being done unfortunately. I don't like saying it but don't think that it'll take off. *sighs* Power C is probably the best out of the two: (Super-C and Power-C) but has some flaws in it's compilation and it's not quite as clunky to use as Super- C. I like it - it works - but just wish it would do what it does better. (It also generates executables that are larger than I think they should be...) The best bet for learning C on the Commodore is probably a 128 running CP\M - there are several C compilers for CP-M that will work on the C-128. (80 columns and an REU help for this type of work...) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 39 Thu Oct 21, 1993 D.BURR at 23:47 EDT No wings on the project eh? That's a shame, but it was certainly a great idea Craig. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 40 Thu Oct 21, 1993 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] at 23:48 EDT I think the biggest problem with C on a 64 or 128 is that we are limited on memory size and a C program tends to get too big. So for a program that needs to do a lot of stuff ends up being too big to be practical. But for smaller stuff, it is OK and for someone just learning C, it is a good place to start. A person could learn the basics on the 64 or 128 and then move on to do C on a different machine that can handle the larger programs. You know, like the massive extra big Windows stuff. But, I don't do Windows... ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 42 Fri Oct 22, 1993 M.RANDALL2 [Maurice] at 21:36 EDT But you have to admit that GEOS has a much better way for using the modular approach. To do this with a C program, you need modules to reside in separate files, but can store big GEOS programs in VLIR records. You're right Jeff, though, but you still must admit that a 100K program written in C wouldn't be as elaborate as a 100K program written in assembly language for GEOS. Please don't get e wrong here. I'm not cuttin down C. I have Power C installed on my HD and like experimenting with it now and then. I wish I had more time to work with it. But I'm too tied up with GEOS programming. Heck, Jeff, I've got about four unfinished programs sitting here, just waiting to be finished and submitted to Loadstar. I'll find the time to finish those soon. Now that I just finished V2.2 of geoSHELL (It's shipping this next week), I'm deep into a major project that I've been talking about for awhile. It's called Finally! and I think the name is sort of fitting. It would be fun to do some GEOS programming in C. I wish someone would develop an ANS C compiler for GEOS. That might be a pretty good setup, what with all the available kernal routines in GEOS. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 43 Sat Oct 23, 1993 D.HARKER1 [Dan] at 02:54 EDT I've just uploaded 'setcmd-p.arc'. This is 'setcmd.arc' rewritten to give prompts for setting the Power-C 128 disk units on the CMD HD. I wasn't thinking about people that may not know how to program in C, this is for them. Place 'setcmd-p.sh' in your 'work disk' partition (the partition you boot in) and execute it at the shell prompt. There will be no prompt for disk unit 2 (I did this to reserve it for a ram-disk). Tony, Glad to help. I think the 'Practical C Programming' is best, but the others are good also. Once I was able to get a little of the 'C mind-set' it started to make sense. C wasn't written to be easy to learn like BASIC, but the idea of recycling code and isolating variables appeals to me. I can't say I'm a great programmer either, but I like playing with it. Good luck. Looking over the other messages, yes Power-C isn't one of the newer ANSI type packages, but I can't yet justify the price of another machine and the price of one of the other C-packages. Besides, it keeps me outa trouble, ya'know ? I am sorry to hear about the Internet group. That ANSI C compiler would be interesting to try. Maybe they will make it yet, we can hope. I wonder, have any of you that have used Power-C 128 tried to access relative files? I have tried using the open() and on the first record read everything is o.k. I set to a o.k. I set the record to a new number and the next read returns the same data as the first read. Any ideas? Dan ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 44 Sun Oct 24, 1993 MIKE.DUNCAN at 18:02 EDT Dan: Nope. No C progamming experience here. Just got Power C from SSI, and have Kochan's book Programming in ANSI C. Looks like a pretty cryptic language alright. Thanks for the info. I'll pick up the SETCMD-P.ARC from the LIB and give it a try. Mike D. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 45 Mon Nov 29, 1993 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 02:53 EST Hi all you crazy C programmers, I just sent my latest SG C Tools 1.5 for C128 CP/M to the C128 CP/M lib! I added 640 X 400 interlace graphics primitives and a new demo. Requires Hi- Tech C 3.09 from CP/M RT to compile. SG :) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 47 Sun Dec 05, 1993 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 01:41 EST SG C TOOLS 1.5 THE BEST C= SUPPORTED C TOOLS AROUND! OVERVIEW SG C Tools ANSI C library unlocks the power of the C128 running CP/M! High level and low level functions are included to access the VDC, SID and CIA. All source code is compatible with the Freeware version of Hi Tech C. A demo is included to show you how to use most features. REQUIREMENTS A C128 or C128D running CP/M 3.0 or a IBM PC running a CP/M emulator and DOS to CP/M file transfer software. At least one 1581, two 1571s, large RAM disk or hard drive to compile on a C128. 80 column monitor for VDC specific routines. 640 X 480 interlace graphics requires a monitor that can handle this format. ANSI C programming experience. FEATURES CIA Get/set TOD clocks, convert TOD BCD to HH:MM:SS AM, set interrupt controllers, get/set 1.02 MHz timers, convert Hz to timer latch value, read joy sticks and low level keyboard scan. Demo shows you how to read 2 joy sticks, 4 paddles, 2 mice and the extended 128 keyboard. VDC FAST! I/O, buffered I/O, fills, copies, scrolling, text output, windows, 80 X 50 interlace text, 64K mode, etc. FAST! graphics primitives for pixel plotting, lines, text output, etc. Demo shows you how to do windows and graphics. VIEW PCX IMAGES Use industry standard .PCX images in your C programs! Demo shows you how to view 640 X 200 and 640 X 480 images. SID Read pots, read 1351 compatible mouse, clear SID, set master volume, set envelopes, set attack/release cycles, set pulse wave, etc. Demo includes sound effects! PLAY FOUR BIT DIGITIZED SOUNDS Now you can play .RAW or Zounds type sound files in your C programs! Demo shows you how to play a .RAW file. GET IT ON GENIE! You can down load SGTOOL15.ARC (13916) from the Commodore RT file library. You can get the Hi-Tech C compiler from the CP/M RT file library. See SGCTOOLS.DOC in SGTOOL15.ARC for the files to get. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 48 Mon Feb 28, 1994 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 18:39 EST Hi everyone, I'm sending SGTOOL16.LZH t the RT. SG C Tools for C128 CP/M is the most powerful ANSI C library you can get for the C= in any mode. Comes complete with demo showing you how to use famous Z Blaster 4 bit sound, PCX to VDC decode engines, Fred Bowen's 640X480 VDC interlace, graphics primitives and other cool high and low level functions. Just use SUBMIT LIB to build all the files in LIBC128.ARC. DEMO.C tells you how to compile with Freeware Hi- Tech C 3.09. I decided to release all source code. Two computer jobs and my PC Turbo Vision tools are taking too much time. I figure it will make some hacker in Germany happy and would like to check out any cool programs developed with it. SG :) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 49 Sat Mar 05, 1994 PIXELS [See-C] at 15:29 EST Ref: previous messages on "SG C TOOLS 1.5" Anyone interested in a similar, ML library for Power C on the C64. (8O+ graphics [line, dot, circle, polygon, fill, pattern-fill, mob-define/move], sound, input [mouse-jstick], sprite, raster-interrupt primitives, MORE...) May work on the C128 running in C64 mode, also. I don't own a 128 and don't know if the memory addresses of the C64 are duplicated on a 128 in 64 mode. It's not free-- but it's less then cheap. I will upload a working demo with re-usable functions (.src) IF the interest is here on Genie. Those not owning Power C... If the interest is here, I'll also complete my project of a K-&-R C for the C64, similar to Power C-- but AVAILABLE. I was working on it while on Qlink, but the interest seemed to die out, or the membership moved on. I'm not interested in pursueing ANSI compatability at this time. I'm more interested in a C with targetable loading address AND control over zero page usage/NON-usage so that true "stand-alone/ background" programs AND utilities AND interrupts can be written in the C for the 64. Reply here, or email. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 50 Sun Mar 06, 1994 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 05:00 EST C128 Programmers: I just released PCX'EM 1.2 640 X 480 VDC PCX viewer! PCXEM12.ARC compiles with Freeware Hi-Tech C and SGTOOL16.ARC Freeware SG C Tools 1.6. I've seen GIF Z80 source in the CP/M RT, so you could use this engine to view GIFs by replacing PCX'EM's decode section. When I have more time I'll try to release my Z Blaster RAW player sources... You can check out the SG C Tools demo as SGDEMO16.ARC if you don't have HI- Tech C from the CP/M RT or the disk resources. SG :) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 51 Mon Mar 07, 1994 E.RAFANAN at 23:25 EST Where do you get Hi-Tech C from ? And, on another note, I read on the Internet that someone had a C-compiler (ANSI) that was able to cross compile into 6502 code. And, they were going to try to compile the compiler so we would have a true ANSI C-compiler (the source is apparently public - GNU perhaps?). ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 52 Tue Mar 08, 1994 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 02:09 EST >Where do you get Hi-Tech C from ? The CP/M RT file library has Hi-Tech C. Look at SGCTOOLS.DOC in SGTOOL16.ARC for the exact names or search library with 'tech c'. >And, on another note, I read on the Internet that someone had a C-compiler >(ANSI) that was able to cross compile into 6502 code. And, they were going >to try to compile the compiler so we would have a true ANSI C-compiler (the >source is apparently public - GNU perhaps?). Hi-Tech has a DOS cross compiler that supports 6502 and Z80 among others. A demo is in the CP/M RT too. If someone does make a true 6502 ANSI C for the C= I'd like to look at it. I haven't heard about it, but it's possible... SG :) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 53 Tue Mar 08, 1994 T.GOSSER1 [PowerUserMag] at 09:55 EST Hey Eric, why dont you answer your e-mail? ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 54 Tue Mar 08, 1994 C128.JBEE at 17:10 EST There is a MS-DOS C cross compiler and it sells for $600. I have seen it floating around and people posting it is PD. It is not. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 55 Tue Mar 08, 1994 E.RAFANAN at 23:18 EST Nope that's not it (I hope). <grin> The person posting definately had the source. Then again, this could all be vaporware... ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 56 Wed May 18, 1994 S.GOLDSMITH2 [Iron.Man] at 02:04 EDT I just uploaded a C128 CP/M RAW player/converter with C source for Hi-Tech C and SG C Tools 1.6 (SGTOOL16.ARC). The name is ZBRAW11.ARC when released. SG :) ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 57 Wed Nov 16, 1994 PIXELS [Lee Sr.] at 20:40 EST J.Fowler, Ref: .a suffix files. These need to be 'assembled' with the Power C, C assembler. This is included on the 128 Power C disk, but not for the C64 and nor will it work. For Power C on the 64 you must download file #10517 CASSM.SFX . This is the same Power C assembler 128, user modified for use on the C64. What system are you using Power C on? I use the C64. I can provide further advice/pointers AND FUNCTIONS, BUT... they may not apply (or be useful) for Power C 128. Let me know and I'll know more what I should shoot up here for ya. --Lee Sr. ------------ Category 5, Topic 10 Message 58 Fri Nov 25, 1994 J.FOWLER [Lone Wolf] at 02:42 EST I am using Power C on my 128D with a FD-2000 drive and ramlink. I have noticed a "bug?" in the link where it does not seem to like linking to a different drive than the one the link is located on. Have you had the same problem? By the way I have the 64 and 128 versions of Power C and Power Ass. I haven't tried the 64 version yet, because I was wanting to try and learn how to program effectively on the 128. ------------ 5 ?