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In article <4t918j$[e-mail]>,
R. T. Cunningham <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Didn't later issues cover the 128 as well?=20

They also covered the Amiga (for a short time) until the Transactor Amiga
came out.

> Anyway, I have no idea what
>kind of value you place on these magazines.  I really think your
>sentimentality would best be served by distributing the "hard-to-find"
>information contained in those pages.  If I was in your position, with t=
hat
>much information in one place, I'd definitely be looking to scan it all =
in,
>trim the fat, and re-publish the information without infringing on the
>rights of the authors.=20

I considered it, but the amount of work to scan them all in (just the
scanning and storage) is not worth it to me. These mags had virtually no
ads, and ran 75 pages+.  I would guesstimate that each page (high quality=
)
would be a 75-100k jpg, so you do the math (75-100 pages, 75-100k each, 3=
6
mags). It doesn't take much to see it would take a CD to distribute it.

If you did a OCR, that would reduce the size down *dramatically*, but you
would run into the problem of mixing the pix and the text (since there ar=
e
some graphics as well).

>But then again, that's what *I* would do.=20

Well then buy them and do it! I've got enough going to keep me busy for
several years.

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From: [e-mail] (Virginia Kappner)
Subject: Commodore computers
Date: 26 Jul 96 23:05:00 -0700
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The school where I work has Commodore equipment and some software. =20
We are not going to sell it, but would be happy to have someone take=20
it for parts.  Must pay shipping, however.  Please direct questions=20
to [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Anders Carlsson  SdU)
Newsgroups: comp.emulators.cbm,comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Does this game exist?
Date: 27 Jul 1996 01:55:38 +0200
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Hello all Commodore 64-gamers out there.

I guess most of you remember Archon and Archon II - Adept from
Electronic Arts back in the 80s. I certainly do, and I still
have copies of these for my old 64.

Anyhow, I have a vague memory of an Archon III too, released
sometime late 1984 to early 1986. I can't remember what this
game was called, but I think it was something on "G".

Neither I can recall what the game play was like, as I never
really played it, but only saw it running. The thing was my
brother got a tape of games, among them was this one, and he
accidently recorded other software onto this tape before he
had taken a backup on it.

Why I think this game was another sequel to Archon is that
I think it was a Free Fall production, and it had the same
size of screen (and possibly board) as Archon and Adept.

I've looked in game directories, asked software houses but
without any result. I haven't found Free Fall yet, and I
haven't asked EA either, but I guess that's not worth it.
In the worst case, it might have been a totally different
game than the one I think of.

If anybody can tell whether such a game existed or not,
and what it's name was if it did, I'd be very happy!

Sincerely
Anders Carlsson, [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail](R. T. Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Transactors for sale
Date: 26 Jul 1996 23:49:33 GMT
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On Jul 26, 1996 15:48:47 in article <Re: Transactors for sale>,
'[e-mail] (Peter Schepers)' wrote:=20
=20
>>But then again, that's what *I* would do. =20
>=20
>Well then buy them and do it! I've got enough going to keep me busy for=20
>several years.=20
=20
Well....considering the true value, I can't even guess at how much you wa=
nt
for one, much less all.   Uh...how much you want?  :-)=20
=20
--=20
=20
Richard T. Cunningham (a.k.a. Wanderer)=20
SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20
A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892
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From: luetzow <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Need help c64
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:48:02 -0500
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Please help me find saucer attack for the 64.  I can find
everything else.  Can anyone help? =20
[e-mail]

thanks Ben
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Brain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Commodore Hacking Followup
Date: 26 Jul 1996 23:53:19 -0400
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Earlier, I wrote:
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) In light of this post, how do folks propose I change the distribution o=
f the
) magazine.  Evidently, this ARMM system will make publication of C=3DH a=
nd
) others like DisC=3Dovery impossible via the newsgroup.=20

) As the FAQ maintainer (and the pseudo-contact person, though not really=
),
) I suppose I can ask that this newsgroup be excluded from the ARMM
) check list by marking it so. =20

) However, I will not act until I hear from some of th regulars and
) new users of this group.
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Bill Ward Replied:
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The Commodore Hacking newsletter isn't a binary, so what's the
problem?  Why did it get canceled?  Or are you including UUENCODED
files as part of the magazine (I sure hope not!)??

At any rate, you should contact the person who runs the cancelbot and
get them to exclude C=3D Hacking, IMHO.  Then repost it.

--Bill.
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I also wrote:
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>Commodore Hacking has traditionally been posted to the newsgroup as well
>as made available via email to present to the largest possible audience
>of Commodore owners.  Certain users either cannot receive large messages
>via email, while others simply do not have reliable email access.
>Most do not have either FTP or WWW access.  In the beginning, there was =
no
>binaries newsgroup to post to, and I am somewhat unconvinced there is
>one currently.
>
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And Todd Elliott replied:
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I would suggest that you do not include binaries with C=3DHacking. The re=
ason
is that I print them out. I'm sure other readers print them out. I often
have to strip out the binaries to get printable text.

Secondly, C=3DHacking was a combination file of text and binary. Maybe th=
at
Net Cop was only referring to binaries only. Did he send you an email
personally? If so, and you feel that C=3DHacking must continue with the
binaries, then get the readers of comp.sys.cbm's support to make a limite=
d
exception.

Another alternative is to assume the role as a moderator of the comp.sys.
binaries. That way, you also control the distribution channel, just like
CBM acquiring MOS technologies for vertical integration. ;)

Todd
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Larry Haynes also quoted thusly:
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If the problem is strictly the uuencoded portions, leave the mag as is
and post the uuencoded portions to comp.binaries.cbm.  It is still=20
available, supposidly moderated, and rarely used.
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And Nick Bensema replied to Todd's Post and Mine:
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It would be best to place the binaries on an ftp site somewhere and put a
link to them in C=3D Hacking, which allows those with Netscape to get to
them easily and those with knowledge of mail-to-FTP gateways to be able
to get them if they don't have access, and those who print them out to ge=
t
them if they do.
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R Cunningham followed up:
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Jim, I think either you misunderstood what was being reported, or the
sender is not stating the facts correctly.  He states binary postings
(MIME, UUENCODE, etc.).  The FAQ itself is not binary in nature, only som=
e
of the included programs.  I think they are checking the size of the post=
s
and assuming binaries without checking the content.  I am going to addres=
s
this issue in particular to the net abuse cronies.=20
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and then followed up to his follow up:
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You already know my thoughts.  I say do whatever is easiest for you to do=
.=20
I know that it's very time consuming to do the regular postings that you
do.  And we ALL appreciate it!=20
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To Bill Ward:

Commodore Hacking has always contained uuencoded binaries, since Issue 2,=
=20
I believe.  The entire magazine, including uuencoded binaries, has always
been posted...

The cancelbot cancels any msg that is over 100000 bytes AND contains a=20
binary greater than, say 50 lines of text.  Thus, it caught the magazine.

I have made contact with the 'bot admin and he has offered to exclude the
magazine from being cancelled.  However, I asked him to hold off as I try
to determine the wants of the group (the gracious and powerless non-
moderator of this groups that I am...)  If many really would rather the
mag not be posted, then I say let's take that route.  It's really no easi=
er
for me to post it then not, as it takes 30 senconds....

To Todd Elliott:

I understand the concern you and others share in trying to print out
C=3DHacking and having to strip the bins.  However, the reason the bins a=
re=20
included is to make distribution and the copyright issue foolproof.  If
the bins were separated, I would then be forced to send copies of the bin=
s to
people who read the issue from LOADSTAR or some other third-party distrib=
ution
that did not include the bins (lazy, misread, or otherwise...)  Therefore=
,
it would make my life harder if the two were separated.

However, to help you out, the entire magazine is going to be available on
my Internet site as a collection of text files and the bins (not encoded)
in a zip file.  doing a print *.txt (or equivalent on the Commodore) on t=
his
archive after decompressing would yield the results you are looking for. =
 In
fact, i could create a simple BASIC file that rpints out the issue in its
correct format.  Would that help?

As to making an exception, such is easily performed.  The admin has alrea=
dy
offered to make an exception for the Commodore Hacking magazine.  I am si=
mply
holding off on asking for it.

As to the comp.binaries.cbm moderation, thanks but no thanks.  I have=20
enough on my plate....

To Larry Haynes:

As I stated above to Todd, splitting the magazine into two parts would ma=
ke it
harder to distribute and more prone to being partially distributed.  The
extra folks asking for bins from me would sap extra time away from my=20
endevors.  I won't asay I won't pursue this, but it'll have to be thought=
 on.

To Nick Bensema:

Each issue of C=3DHacking is available at http://www.msen.com/~brain/chac=
king/
in addition to the text version, an HTML version is avaulable.  Also,=20
each bin is available at http://www.msen.com/~brain/pub/XXXX, where XXXX =
is
the name of the bin you want.  The files are also available on the Hackin=
g
MAILSERV, for those with email only.  So, in essence, I already make them
available via alternate means.

To: R Cunningham:

I was not referring to the FAQ, but the magazine.  As stated above , both
the size and the fact that a uuencoded binary was included triggered the
system.

As to your second post, I do want to minimize my effort in this matter, b=
ut
I am willing to put exra effortin to implement these suggestions if the
groups so requests.  Also, there is no mandate that I post the magazine
in the USENET newsgroup.  In fact, I am leaning toward merely posting a
"pointer" to the magazine.... Dunno though.  I appreciate the commendatio=
ns.
Asking in here is my way of being a good "netizen".

To all:

I have a couple of options, listed below:  They are ranked in order that
I would like you to consider them:

---------------------------------------

a) 1  Request an exclusion for the magazine.
b) 1  post only a pointer to the magazine in the newsgroup, and put the m=
ag
      elsewhere.

c) 2  Post the magazine, but strip the uuencoded bins from the issue.
=20
--------------------------------------

If it is important that you receive the mag via USENET, vote for a or c.
If you feel the 190-280 kB file is is simply too big for a posting, bins
or not, vote for b.

Let me know at some point, since you can;t get mad at me later on if you
didn't give your opinion at this time.....

Above all, don't be too hard on the 'bot admin....  Yes, this time, it
canceled a non-spam article that some may have wanted to read....  Howeve=
r,
I have seen a bunch of stuff that shows up in here that you all never see=
,
cause a similar 'bot cancels them as soon as they hit the server.... =20

Jim

BTW, is anyone still needing a copy of the magazine?????

Jim


--=20
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e sig)
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oyer"
Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, VR, Old CBM computers, and Good Times!=
  -Me-
<a href=3Dhttp://www.msen.com/~brain/>Jim Brain: BII, VR, and CBM info</a=
>
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Brain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Some serious thoughts on a new newsgroup....
Date: 26 Jul 1996 23:55:48 -0400
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I rarely get mixed up in this stuff, but rules are made to be
broken....

I notice that a great many of you are lamenting about the large number of
ads in this newsgroup....

You probably have me to blame.....

I received hundreds of email letters each weeks from people.  Many are lo=
oking
for places to buy or seel Commodore equipment.  If the item is singular,
I might take them up on the offer, but lately I've gotten letters from
school admns with closets of old 64s.... etc.  I can't buy or sell
such volumes of equipment...  SO, I refer them to post an ad in
this newsgroup.

It's probably my doing that so many postings show up here lately... GO ah=
ead,
hate me....

Anyway, I think the problem is acute and I do think this groups has enoug=
h
content without ads to make a go of it...=20

Therefore, I suggest that others consider the notion of creating

comp.sys.cbm.forsale.

I know a plit has its problems, but unlike the emulator groups creation
dispute, most people looking for items can;t really take part in other
discussions, as most are looking for a system  they don't own... Also,
people interested in discussions are rarely in the market for itmes,=20
although I know exceptions occur in both cases.

I guess I just think that the Commodore community is grwing, and this
newsgroup, created in 1989 or so, is simply too "hopping" with
interest.  In short, I think your patronage has created this problem.
Bummer :-)

It'sjust a thought, and I just thought I would drop the idea in
your head.  I know it's been thrown out before, but I never knew what
became of the idea....

Return to your regular messages.

Jim





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e sig)
[e-mail]   "Above views DO reflect my employer, since I'm my empl=
oyer"
Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, VR, Old CBM computers, and Good Times!=
  -Me-
<a href=3Dhttp://www.msen.com/~brain/>Jim Brain: BII, VR, and CBM info</a=
>
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Amborn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: KoalaHelp
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 01:55:18 GMT
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On 26 Jul 1996 02:48:37 GMT, [e-mail] (William R. Ward) wrote=
:

>I found an old Commodore type Koala pad at a surplus store a while
>back.  I don't even know if the thing works.  It came without stylus
>or any software.  I think any pointed object will do as a stylus,
>right?  However I still don't have a copy of Koalapaint.  Is there any
>PD software that uses the KoalaPad?  I dont know how else I can even
>know if the thing works.
>
>Another possibility would be if someone knew how KoalaPads worked, and
>wanted to write and mail me a ML routine that tested the thing.  That
>would be grand.
>
>Anyway, thanks for any help.
>
>--Bill.
>
>--
>William R Ward          Bay View Consulting   http://www.bayview.com/~he=
rmit/
>[e-mail]     1803 Mission St. #339        voicemail +1 408/479=
-4072
>[e-mail]  Santa Cruz CA 95060 USA           pager +1 408/458=
-8862

You can read the Koala Pad like a pair of paddles by reading memory locat=
ions 54297, 54298
and 56321 by connecting to control port one.

X direction is read by peeking location 54297 and gives a value of 5 norm=
ally at the upper
left and 255 at the far right.

Y direction is read by peeking location 54298 and gives a value of 5 norm=
ally at the upper
left and 255 at the bottom.

The two top buttons are read from location 56321.  Without any buttons pr=
essed I get 255.
The left button gives me 251 and the right gives 247.

Since you have a Koala Pad without the proper software, I can send you a =
copy of the Koala
Paint software that came with it if you want.  Since it is worthless with=
out the Koala Pad
no one should bark about me sending it to you, I think.  Besides, your Ko=
ala Pad should
have had it in the first place.  Just send me a disk and 4 postage stamps=
 if you want a
copy.  Email me for my address.  I don't hear about too many people using=
 the Koala Pad
anymore.  It would be nice to revive one once in a while.  Had a lot of f=
un with mine when
I purchased it new in '83 or '84.  The Koalapaint images made by myself a=
nd my friends
bring back many fond memories.  Gee...I think I'm getting old...Oh nooo. =
:-)





--
Dan Amborn
[e-mail]



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