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Where can I get information on drive alignment?  I have a 1541 and 1571
that need aligned.  I don't know how to do it, but if I could find
information on how to, I could align them myself.  Also where can I get
C64 emulators and other files?
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: CBM 1084ST to a CBM PC 50 or CBM 386SX
Date: 26 Jul 1996 01:34:17 GMT
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
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In-reply-to: [e-mail]'s message of Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:02:13 GMT

In article <4t6da5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Zeg ik niet)=
 writes:
) I know it is possible to connect a 1084 ST to a PC20 III but is it
) also possible to connect it to a PC 50 or a Commodore 386 SX ??
) Or does it give a lot of smoke ?=20

The 1084 takes two kinds of RGB video in: analog and digital.  The
digital RGBI is equivalent to CGA video on a PC.  The analog video, as
far as I know, is specific to the Amiga.  So your PC with a CGA card
should work fine with the 1084.

This group deals with the Commodore 8-bit machines, however; you may
have better luck asking on one of the Amiga or IBM PC groups.

--Bill.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lawless)
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Greetings, all!

I've searched the net far and wide but am unable to locate Jim Butterfiel=
d's
SuperMon64.

Could someone out there UUENCODE and mail a copy to
   [e-mail]

Thanks!!!

Jim Lawless

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From: [e-mail] (Ulf Harnhammar)
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Date: 26 Jul 1996 02:52:33 GMT
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I'm right now adding new stuff to the "ulf's old demos" section of my hom=
e-
page.. When I'm finished, there'll be a bunch of my favourite ever SID tu=
nes
to download, my memories from different demo parties and a couple of inte=
r-
views that I did for different c64 diskmags.

I know that some of the sceners out there remember my work and have been
disappointed that I used to have so little demo related stuff on my home-
page, so if you're one of those people, check it out again, ok?

-ulf (unifier, ex-flash inc etc.)
http://www.abc.se/~m9656/
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: FS: AUCTION of Commodore HW, VIC-20 cartridges, & books (UPDATE)
Date: 26 Jul 1996 02:18:37 GMT
Organization: Bay View Consulting Services
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Keywords: auction, commodore, hardware, software, books


This is an update of my earlier auction announcement, including the
bids that have been received so far.

I have been going through all my Commodore stuff that I have collected
and have compiled this list of items for sale.  The format will be a
public auction.  Send all bids to me in electronic mail to
[e-mail].  I will try to set up a WWW interface to submit
bids and check on the current highest bid, but for now stick to
e-mail.  I will post progress reports approximately every week to
report the current bidding status.

                        RULES OF THE AUCTION

  - SUGGESTED BID IS *NOT* A MINIMUM BID; I will accept the highest
    bid over that amount, or if all bids are below it, I *may* choose
    to accept the highest bid.  If you think my prices are too high;
    bid anyway, and you might just get it after all.  However there is
    a MINIMUM PURCHASE OF $10, just to make it worth my time to
    package and mail.
  - Bidding runs UNTIL ALL ITEMS ARE SOLD, OR AUGUST 1ST, 1996,
    whichever is soonest.  I may elect to extend the bidding period,
    add or remove items available, and/or change suggested bids after
    that date.
  - YOU WILL PAY ALL SHIPPING COSTS.  Shipping cost depends on method
    of shipment, weight of what you buy, and your location.  If you
    live in or near the San Francisco or Monterey bay areas in
    California (I live in Santa Cruz), we may be able to meet in
    person to transfer the goods.  Send me email if you have any
    questions about shipping.
  - Unless otherwise indicated, all equipment has been tested and is
    in GOOD WORKING ORDER.  Exceptions to this are noted in
    parentheses.  The 1571 and 1541's have all been aligned by me, but
    understand that shipping could misalign them, so check them when
    you receive them.  If you don't know how, ask me.
  - Except for problems noted in parentheses below, all items have a
    THIRTY DAY WARRANTY.  If anything does not work to your
    satisfaction for ANY REASON within 30 days of your receipt of the
    item(s), send it back to me for a FULL REFUND.  *NOTE* Refunds
    will NOT be given on shipping costs in either direction!

############################## HARDWARE ################################

                              COMPUTERS

SuggBid Qty     Mfr     Model   Description
------- ---     ---     -----   -----------
$25.00  1       CBM     64      Commodore 64 w/ P/S (keyboard needs
                                cleaning)
$35.00  1       CBM     128     Commodore 128 w/ P/S (F3 & F5 missing)
$40.00  1       CBM     128     Commodore 128 w/ P/S
$15.00  1       CBM     Plus/4  Commodore Plus/4 Computer in box, with
                                manuals and P/S
 BID:$15.00Rich White (7/16/96 15:38 PDT)
 BID:$15.00Brian Seeley (7/16/96 16:01 PDT)
 BID:$10.00Tim Grooms (7/17/96 15:07 PDT)
 BID:$20.00Brian Seeley (7/24/96 16:52 PDT)
$20.00  1       CBM     8032    80 col, 32k CBM/PET computer (E key
                                missing)
 BID:$10.00Joseph Keane (7/16/96)

                          FLOPPY DISK DRIVES

SuggBid Qty     Mfr     Model   Description
------- ---     ---     -----   -----------
$30.00  4       CBM     1541    Single Drive Floppy Disk 5.25"
$40.00  1       CBM     1571    Double-sided 5.25" Floppy Disk Drive
$20.00  1       FSD     FSD-1   Mostly 1541-compatible disk drive
$10.00  1       CBM     8040    Dual PET floppy disk drive, 512k each
                                disk (one side broken)
 BID:$10.00Joseph Keane (7/16/96)
$10.00  1       CBM     8240    Dual PET floppy disk drive, 1MB each
                                disk (broken)
$5.00   1       CBM             IEEE-488 Cable, PET to drive
 BID:$5.00   Rich White (7/16/96 15:38 PDT)
$3.00   1       CBM             IEEE-488 Cable, drive to drive
 BID:$3.00   Rich White (7/16/96 15:38 PDT)
$2.00   1       HP              IEEE-488 Cable, drive to drive
 BID:$2.00   Rich White (7/16/96 15:38 PDT)

                               PRINTERS

SuggBid Qty     Mfr     Model   Description
------- ---     ---     -----   -----------
$20.00  1       Oki     10      Okimate 10 thermal color printer with
                                Black ribbon & Commodore "Plug 'N'
                                Print" cartridge, in box
$5.00   1       Oki     10      Okimate 10 thermal color printer, no
                                ribbon or "Plug 'N' Print" cartridge
$30.00  1      Seikosha SP180VC 9-pin Commodore-ready printer; good
                                cond., nice NLQ mode
$5.00   1       CBM     MPS803  7-pin Commodore printer

######################### VIC-20 CARTRIDGES ############################

                    Commodore VIC-1xxx cartridges

SuggBid Qty     Model           Name
------- ---     -----           ----
$7.50   1       VIC-1211A       Super Expander w/ 3K RAM
$5.00   1       VIC-1212        Programmer's Aid Cartridge
$2.50   1       VIC-1909        Road Race
$2.50   1       VIC-1910        Radar Ratrace
$2.50   1       VIC-1911        The Sky is Falling
$2.50   1       VIC-1914        Adventure Land (Scott Adams)
$2.50   1       VIC-1915        Pirate's Cove (Scott Adams)
$2.50   1       VIC-1918        Voodoo Castle (Scott Adams)
$2.50   1       VIC-1919        Sargon II Chess (w/ Manual)
$2.50   1       VIC-1920        Pin Ball
$2.50   1       VIC-1921        Super Smash
$2.50   1       VIC-1922        Cosmic Cruncher
$2.50   1       VIC-1923        Gorf
$2.50   2       VIC-1924        Omega Race
$2.50   1       VIC-1937        Sea Wolf
$2.50   1       VIC-1938        Tooth Invaders
$2.50   1       VIC-1941        Number Nabber / Shape Gobbler

NOTE:   I have the manual that covers all five Scott Adams games, but
        only three of the games.  The manual is sold separately below;
        but if one person buys all three Scott Adams games, the manual
        will be included free (taking precedence over all other bids).

                   Other Manufacturers' cartridges

SuggBid Qty     Maker           Name
------- ---     -----           ----
$2.50   1       Creative S/W    Apple Panic
$2.50   1       Creative S/W    Trashman
$2.50   1       HES             Aggressor
$2.50   1       HES             Gridrunner
$2.50   1       HES             Turtle Graphics
$2.50   1       Parker Bros.    Q*Bert
$2.50   1       SpectraVideo    Ape Escape
$2.50   1       UMI             Alien Blitz (broken case)

############################### BOOKS ##################################

SuggBid Publisher       Title
------- ---------       -----
$5.00   CBM             1571 User's Guide
$5.00   CBM             An Introduction to BASIC:~Part 2 (VIC-20
                        Programming)
$5.00   CBM             Personal Computing on the VIC-20
$1.00 * CBM             Scott Adams' Adventure Games
$1.00 ^ CBM             User's Guide to the VIC Version of Sargon II
$5.00   Compute!        Compute!'s First Book of the Commodore 64
 BID:$5.00   Jim Lawless (7/18/96 04:34 PDT)
$5.00   Compute!        Creating Arcade Games on the Commodore 64
                        (BASIC only)
$5.00   McGraw-Hill     Hands-On BASIC with a PET
$5.00   Osborne         Your Commodore 64

* =3D Free with purchase of all three Scott Adams cartridges above
^ =3D Free with purchase of Sargon II cartridge above
(Purchasing these two manuals separately will only be considered if
 nobody buys the cartridges, or if the person who buys them does not
 want the manuals)

########################################################################


Send me e-mail and let me know what you want!

--Bill.
--
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mit/
[e-mail]     1803 Mission St. #339        voicemail +1 408/479-=
4072
[e-mail]  Santa Cruz CA 95060 USA           pager +1 408/458-=
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew R. McInnis)
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Subject: whats in a 128d???
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i was recently playing with some new software for my commie when i found =
a
utility prog.
i put it in and it said the internal drive was a 1571!!!
i always thought that there was a 1541 in commodores???
is this program right??
did they make internal 1571 for a commodore 128d?
i rescued this from being thrown out from a rummage thing i was helping o=
ut
with so i dont know who had it last..
i dont want to open it up to find out because it has original warranty se=
als
on the screws!!!
any help is appreaceted...
thanks andy
p.s. does a program called qomega dissolve zip files???
thanks
andy
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From: [e-mail] (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: KoalaHelp
Date: 26 Jul 1996 02:48:37 GMT
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I found an old Commodore type Koala pad at a surplus store a while
back.  I don't even know if the thing works.  It came without stylus
or any software.  I think any pointed object will do as a stylus,
right?  However I still don't have a copy of Koalapaint.  Is there any
PD software that uses the KoalaPad?  I dont know how else I can even
know if the thing works.

Another possibility would be if someone knew how KoalaPads worked, and
wanted to write and mail me a ML routine that tested the thing.  That
would be grand.

Anyway, thanks for any help.

--Bill.

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From: Lise Roy <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Run magazines for sale (Quebec)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:34:04 -0400
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I have all the issues of Run magazines from # 5 (05/84) to # 66 (6/89).

If somebody is interested please make me an offer on how you can pay for=20
it (I appreciate you pay shipping fees).  Please send e-mail to=20
[e-mail].

I'm in the province of Quebec in Canada.  Thanks.

Lise Roy.
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From: [e-mail] (The Hendoman)
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 =20
>Is that supposed to be Questron?  I don't remember a game by the name of
>Questor.

>Roger

 Yeah, yeah... Picky picky! 8)
=20
   I am sorry.  I did indeed get the name wrong. Questron... Sorry
'bout that.



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From: [e-mail] (The Hendoman)
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Subject: Re: C64 games
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 02:47:49 GMT
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[e-mail] (On the Roc) wrote:

>Hello


>I have just received C64S Emulator.

>Where I could find C64 games in the Net.

>Thanks for you Response

Break out the old WWW sercher, and look for the tale-tell "C64" word,
and you'll find plenty! Enjoy the emulator!



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From: "Bruce R. McFarling" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: SuperCPU-64 status?
Date: 26 Jul 1996 00:24:11 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
>.. As for cartridges that will work with it, such as your COMAL
> cartridge, I can't answer that one personally. Some cartridges
> will not work, depending on the nature of the cartridge. In the
> SuperCPU manual, it states that cartridges that pull the GAME
> line low and the EXROM line high will not work. ...

So if *both* are low or *both* are high, it will work?
Do tell, this is important.

--=20
Virtually,

Bruce R. McFarling, Newcastle, NSW
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail](R. T. Cunningham)
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Subject: Re: Compute! software rights
Date: 25 Jul 1996 23:43:41 GMT
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On Jul 25, 1996 14:21:10 in article <Compute! software rights>, 'Bo
<[e-mail]>' wrote:=20
=20
>Hey there...=20
>=20
>Does anyone know who currently holds the rights to all the old=20
>Compute!'s Gazette software... ?=20
>=20
>- Bo=20
--=20
=20
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still own the latest incarnation, Compute.=20
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SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20
A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892
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Jim, I think either you misunderstood what was being reported, or the
sender is not stating the facts correctly.  He states binary postings
(MIME, UUENCODE, etc.).  The FAQ itself is not binary in nature, only som=
e
of the included programs.  I think they are checking the size of the post=
s
and assuming binaries without checking the content.  I am going to addres=
s
this issue in particular to the net abuse cronies.=20
=20
--=20
=20
Richard T. Cunningham (a.k.a. Wanderer)=20
SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20
A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892
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From: [e-mail](R. T. Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking SuperMon 64
Date: 26 Jul 1996 02:57:16 GMT
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On Jul 26, 1996 01:26:31 in article <Desperately seeking SuperMon 64>,
'[e-mail] (Jim Lawless)' wrote:=20
=20
I have it, I can E-Mail three .mad (self-extracting files in 64 mode) to
you that I alreay have set up on this PC.  It includes all the PD stuff
that Jim released at the same time as the book "Machine Language for the
Commodore 64, 128, and Other Commodore Computers".  It adds up to less th=
an
one disk side.  Let me know if this is ok for you.=20
=20
=20
>Greetings, all!=20
>=20
>I've searched the net far and wide but am unable to locate Jim
Butterfield's=20
>SuperMon64.=20
>=20
>Could someone out there UUENCODE and mail a copy to=20
>[e-mail]=20
>=20
>Thanks!!!=20
>=20
>Jim Lawless=20
>=20
--=20
=20
Richard T. Cunningham (a.k.a. Wanderer)=20
SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20
A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892
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I have a 128 w/1571 disk drive, mach 128 cart, xetec super graphics=20
printer port,mps 1000 printer (missing tractor feed) and 300 baud modem=20
and a couple hundered disks of software for sale.

also 2 c64's woth a 1541 each. also with super graphics printer port and=20
software.

Have boxes and books for most of these.
If anyone is interested, leave a message to [e-mail] with an=20
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From: "Merlin" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Help on FRAK
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:37:42 +0800
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I have just spent 5 hours non-stop, playing that great game, FRAK and I
can't get past level 4!!!!!

Level four is an Ice typ level, all decked out in blue and contains
monsters that stand on one hand.  I have been able to progress to what
seemed the end of the platforms and there are two monsters that block the
way.  There doesn't seem to be any way of yoyo'ing them as I am unable to
find a platform that is close enough on the same horizontal level as
them.

Also, when I travel back along the top of the platforms to where you begi=
n
the level and yoyo the last moster, after about 4 or 5 seconds, another
monster shoots towards you from the right.  After falling for this the
first time, I was able to yoyo this monster too.  Unfortunately though,
those two monsters blocking the end of the level are still there.=20
Arrrrrggggghhh!!!

Can anyone help?

Hairy Trees.......
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From: "Paul MacArthur" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Chat in IRC # C64, Undernet,  Friday nite 8-9pm EST.
Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:22:03 GMT
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Well, the subject says it all. If anyone would like to chat about the C64
sign on to an Undernet server and join #C64 on Friday Nite 8-9 EST. I wil=
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probably just log on and be in the room for a few hours so if  I don't sa=
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anything at first, don't worry, I will check the screen every so often.

Also, if you have never used IRC and don't know what you need to talk in
IRC, please go to my WEB page below and click on the "Chat in IRC" for
information to get you started.


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From: [e-mail] (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Writing an effective parser
Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:35:35 GMT
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In article <4qqt6e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Moorman) =
writes:
) On the question of parsers to handle multiple statements,
) define the word THEN as the connector of two actions, and
) the word AND as a connector of two items:
)
) PUT THE TOY AND THE DOLL IN THE BOX THEN BUG OUT
)
) You probably really need some ML code to do an INSTR command.  It is
) really NOT that hard!  Scan and scrap all THE's.  Scan for THEN --
) snip the line after it -- like a second command.  Scan for AND --
) no -- scan for IN and tuck away the object (BOX).  Then scan for AND,
) split the two apart and make
) PUT TOY IN BOX
) PUT DOLL IN BOX
) BUG OUT
)
) In short, think through what must be done to reduce the sentence
) to standard commands.
)
) Dave [it's been awhile] Moorman

Some thoughts on this ... Bear in mind this is all just off-the-cuff,
and not tested in code, but I think it's a good way to approach it.
Note that while I do flesh out some of what Dave Moorman says, I do a
fair amount of hand-waving myself :)... Anyway all comments on this
would be greatly appreciated.


Have a memory structure containing words, parts of speech, and some
kind of semantic pointer.  The pointer could be an 8-bit offset, and
each part of speech would have a different 'namespace'.  Say 14
character limit on names, that gives 16 bytes for a record.

PUT THE TOY AND THE DOLL IN THE BOX THEN BUG OUT

"AND           ",$00,$00
"BOX           ",$01,$00
"BUG           ",$02,$00
"DOLL          ",$01,$01
"IN            ",$03,$00
"OUT           ",$04,$00
"PUT           ",$02,$01
"THE           ",$05,$00
"THEN          ",$00,$01
"TOY           ",$01,$02

Parts of speech used in the above:
$00conjunction
$01noun
$02verb
$03preposition
$04adverb
$05article

You can basically drop all articles without worrying about it.  David
Moorman's description skips over some important parts, and it's those
parts that I think demand that the parts of speech be stored.  Namely
how do you know that the conjunction applies to just the nouns 'TOY'
and 'DOLL', and not to verb phrases (i.e. separate commands)?

As you scan from left to right, you build up information abut the
semantics of the command:

verb noun conj noun prep noun conj verb advb
PUT  TOY  AND  DOLL IN   BOX  THEN BUG  OUT

What you want in this case, is for all commands to resolve into one or
more sentences of the form "verb advb noun prep noun" where one or
more of those words may be absent.

Anyway, the first step is what I'll call "resolving the conjunctions"
-- splitting things up at the "ands" and "thens".  Conjunctions have
many uses, any word or phrase can be (word and word) or (phrase and
phrase) and the trick is finding what is meant.  Some example forms
you might encounter are:
  - verb noun conj noun prep noun
  - verb noun prep noun conj verb noun prep noun

Note that we can take great advantage of the fact that we aren't
trying to understand all of English; just one certain form (imperative
sentences of the form given above).  This makes it easier to define
what we are reading.

Any time you come across "verb advb noun1 conj noun2 prep noun3" you
can convert it to "verb advb noun1 prep noun3" and "verb advb noun2
prep noun3" easily.  That gives us "PUT ... TOY IN BOX" and "PUT
... DOLL IN BOX" (no adverb in this case; I write "..." to show where
it would be) from "PUT TOY AND DOLL IN BOX" easily enough.  That
leaves "THEN BUG OUT" which is "conj verb advb" with no noun object or
prepositional phrase.  That converts to "BUG OUT ... ... ..." again
with "..." filling in the missing words.

The second phase is to actually carry out the instructions.  For each
of the resulting commands in our "canonical form" of "verb advb noun
prep noun" we run the command instructed.  Remember that second set of
numbers for each word above?  We have a subroutine to carry out each
verb.  The index to that subroutine is that number; "PUT" is $01.
That routine is responsible for making sure its arguments (the rest of
the sentence) make sense.

For "PUT ... TOY IN BOX" we have $01 $FF $02 $00 $00 (using $FF to
denote the absence of a word).  Since the position of the word in the
command implies its part of speech, it is OK that "IN" and "BOX" have
the same number.  The "PUT" routine gets $FF $02 $00 $00, looks up the
data referenced by each of those numbers, and does the task.

Anyway that's how I'd try it if I were to embark upon this project.

--Bill.

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From: Guy Hilliard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: FS: C64C and Disk Drives
Date: 26 Jul 1996 04:07:59 GMT
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All of these items look and work like new, are barely used,
and come in their original boxes/packaging with documentation.

All items are postage paid if shipped to the lower 48 US states.

******************************************************************

(1) C64C Computer including power supply and TV adapter with cable.
     Asking $35


(1) FD-148 Rapid Access Disk Drive including power supply and
    connector cable.
     Asking $25


**** Or, both of the above for $50 ppd to the lower 48 States ****


(1) 1541-II Disk Drive including power supply and connector cable.
     Asking $30

******************************************************************

Buyer pays postage if items are to be shipped outside the lower 48
US states.  All prices are in US dollars and must be paid by check
or money order drawn on a US bank.

Please send offers/questions to:  [e-mail]

Thanks
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From: [e-mail] (WaD)
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>know.
He was an Auschwitz survivor so I have to agree with that :)
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Bernardo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: CBM 8050 or 9060 with a C128
Date: 26 Jul 1996 08:50:49 GMT
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The IEEE-488 interfaces -- Quicksilver 128 and the IEEE Flash! for the
C64 -- are still available new through:

     Skyles Electric Works
     10301 Stonydale Drive
     Cupertino, California 95014
     U.S.A.
      or
     P.O. Box 1984
     Cupertino, California 95015
     U.S.A.

     Phone: [phone]
     Hours: 9-6 M-F

Talk to Bob Skyles; he knows more about them, because he produces them.

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From: "Merlin" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: thing and staff
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Does anyone have a T64 format file of=20

Thing on a spring  (Great sound)
and
The staff of Karnath  (Now where did I put those tips)

Or does anyone know where I can download them from?

Thanks

Stay Hungry