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- Fred Harris wrote:
- >=20
- > Hello everyone,
- >=20
- > A friend of mine asked me to post a Commodore 128 Computer for sale.
- ^^^^^^
- |-------FRIEND???? I hope you don't think 750 is a real deal... I w=
- ould not buy it=20
- for a tenth of that price. Maybe $ is a equivalent sign for the mexican =
- p=E9so.
- > Asking $750.00, like brand new. Will throw in all games.
- > Please e-mail with questions or interest.
- >=20
- > Thank you,
-
-
- --=20
- Colin Guillas
- http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ag090
- http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/1603
- So what does the Maytag man do in his spare time?
- >Plays with his C=3D64 of course :-) (THX Jack)
- Was Sally really Harry?
- How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
- It all boils down to: WHO THE HELL CARES? (Well...maybe Sally's boy fri=
- end...)
-
- #! rnews 899
- Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.=
- edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!nyssa.swt.edu!ez13942
- From: ez13942@nyssa.swt.edu (Bo)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: Commodore 128 Computer For Sale
- Date: 22 Jul 96 15:46:09 CDT
- Organization: Southwest Texas State University
- Lines: 20
- Message-ID: <1996Jul22.154609@nyssa.swt.edu>
- References: <31F10F55.5DE@cyberenet.net>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: nyssa.swt.edu
-
- In article <31F10F55.5DE@cyberenet.net>, Fred Harris <fharris@cyberenet.n=
- et> writes:
- > Hello everyone,
- >=20
- > A friend of mine asked me to post a Commodore 128 Computer for sale. =20
- > Asking $750.00, like brand new. Will throw in all games.
-
- Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
-
- > Please e-mail with questions or interest.
- >=20
- > Thank you,
- > --=20
- > Fred H.
- > fharris@cyberenet.net
- > Penn State Football Card and Artifact Collector
-
- 'nuff said.
-
- - Bo
-
- #! rnews 2076
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- unter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.ea=
- s.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!ruby.ucc.nau.edu!dana.ucc.nau.edu!pap
- From: pap@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Advertisements reflected signs of the times
- Date: 22 Jul 1996 20:20:04 GMT
- Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ, USA
- Lines: 73
- Message-ID: <4t0npk$d5t@ruby.ucc.nau.edu>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: dana.ucc.nau.edu
- X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
-
- Going back through a modest collection of Commodore-specific magazines,=20
- its kinda cool to llok at some of the advertisements.=20
-
- Pulling out the April 1985 issue of Compute!'s Gazette:
-
- Ad for Computer Centers of America, Page 91:
-
- (quoting the advertisement)
- "We're proud of our prices!"
-
- ...
-
- (now, note some of the prices)
- "C=3D commodore Products"
- "801 MCS Color Printer 269_95"
- "C-16 Computer 79_95"
- "C+4 Computer 189_95"
- "801 Printer 149_95"
- "802 Printer 179_95"
- "803 Printer 174_95"
-
- ...
- (and next to that, some of the software prices)
- "TOUCH TABLETS"
- "Koala Touch Tablet-D .. 64.95"
- "Koala Touch Tablet-Cart 69.95"
- "Muppet Learning Keys... Call"
-
- ...
-
- "ACCESS"
- "Neutral Zone-D/T ..... 20.95"
- "Spritemaker-D/T ..... 20.95"
- ...
-
- "COMMODORE"
- "Easy Calc-D .......... 64.95" (?!)
-
- ...
- (and,of course, for some of the "bread and butter" products)
-
- "NEW"
- "128 IN STOCK"
- "279_95"
-
- ..
-
- "C=3D commodore 64"
- "149_95"
-
- ...
-
- Funny how time changes things, doesn't it?
-
- A more obvious example would be if I pulled out the April 1984 issue of=20
- Compute!'s Gazette. They were still advertising Vic-20s for $89.00, the=20
- BRAND-NEW!- Commodore 364 (aka Plus/4) for "Call!", and the C=3D commodor=
- e=20
- 64 for $229.00
-
- Regards,
-
- Paul Allen Panks
-
-
- --
- --
- "Chickens may lay eggs, but roosters wake you up in the morning. Nobody=20
- pays them to do that. I do less work than that and I get paid. And I=20
- don't like eggs anyhow. Ooh! Bacon!"
-
- Homer Simpson, on subsidizing small-town agriculture.
-
-
- #! rnews 1929
- Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.=
- com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!news
- From: "Michael Bendure" <mbendure@infinet.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm,comp.emulators.cbm
- Subject: Re: IRC for C64
- Date: 22 Jul 1996 20:50:32 GMT
- Organization: InfiNet
- Lines: 28
- Message-ID: <01bb780f$6f51e060$08f667ce@mbendure.infinet.com>
- References: <01bb776c$407e1a40$552060cc@amazon.channel1.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: nwk-p029.infinet.com
- Mime-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1
- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
- X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1132
- Xref: pravda.aa.msen.com comp.sys.cbm:58341 comp.emulators.cbm:12703
-
- > I am not sure if there is enough of an audience out there for this, but=
- I
- > am asking if anyone is interested in chatting in IRC in the CHannel #C6=
- 4?
- > Or perhaps there is a Group that already meets on a regular basis?
- >=20
- > If not, I am a regular user of IRC and will be on Undernet in the #C64
- room
- > every Friday night from 8-9pm if anyone wants to chat. If you access IR=
- C
- > chat through a PC using MIRC, we can trade software. (no pirated stuff!=
- )
-
- There is a #c-64 on Efnet and I've seen a couple dead ones on DALnet a=
- nd
- Undernet. The one that gets the most traffic is on Efnet. I also hold a
- 64 related IRC room called #C-Net on DALnet, Efnet and Undernet. Its
- mainly a meeting place for Sysops of CommNet on Sundays about 3:00-8:00 p=
- m
- EDT. I try to get there at 3:00 or before, but I'm usually late. :) All
- 64 and 128 users are welcome to stop by and say hello. I'm usually on th=
- e
- DALnet #C-Net through the week as well.
-
- --=20
- C-Net 64 DS2 Software WWW: http://www.infinet.com/~mbendure
- 92 Lee Ave Suite N3 Email: mbendure@infinet.com
- Newark, Ohio 43055 IRC: #C-Net on Efnet =
- =20
- =20
- (614)/788-8568 CommNet: Mitron @ Cygnus X-1
-
- Cygnus X-1 BBS
- (614)/522-6563
-
-
- #! rnews 1438
- Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.=
- edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!nyssa.swt.edu!ez13942
- From: ez13942@nyssa.swt.edu (Bo)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: d64
- Date: 22 Jul 96 15:48:52 CDT
- Organization: Southwest Texas State University
- Lines: 22
- Message-ID: <1996Jul22.154852@nyssa.swt.edu>
- References: <31EB1549.21EB@cdsnet.net> <4sfv3q$kp3@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.=
- com> <31F021D9.7389@softdisk.com> <4srinf$m58@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: nyssa.swt.edu
-
- In article <4srinf$m58@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, jamesch@ix.netcom.com =
- (ChrisC) writes:
- > In article <31F021D9.7389@softdisk.com>, Jeff Jones <loadstar@softdisk.=
- com> wrote:
- >>ChrisC wrote:
- >>
- >>
- >>> The .d64 files are actually disk images used for the IBM C64S emulato=
- r. They
- >>> can be restored to thier original format with a program I wrote, down=
- loadable
- >>> at members.aol.com/xdr12/download/ the program name is D64-REST.TXT =
- and
- >>> D64-REST.PRG. Be forewarnd, the program is slllooowww.
- >>
- >>LOADSTAR published a GEOS progam called geoBeap, which creates and conv=
- erts
- >>..d64 files. It was only about 4 issues ago. The program was by Bo Zi=
- mmerman.
- >=20
- > I need to check out my back issues. Do you remember which one that was=
- on?
-
- Say there... when you find out, tell me too. Never got to see that
- issue. =20
-
- Actually, I would guess something like 145.. but I'm not sure.
-
- - Bo Zimmerman
-
- #! rnews 1042
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- .edu!ez13942
- From: ez13942@nyssa.swt.edu (Bo)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: Commodore HD?
- Date: 22 Jul 96 15:57:04 CDT
- Organization: Southwest Texas State University
- Lines: 18
- Message-ID: <1996Jul22.155704@nyssa.swt.edu>
- References: <31F34FAB.6E6A@ucdavis.edu>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: nyssa.swt.edu
-
- In article <31F34FAB.6E6A@ucdavis.edu>, Edward Eisenman <ez061273@ucdavis=
- .edu> writes:
- > This may be a silly question but...
- >=20
- > Is there a C64/128 compatible hard drive? (1581?)
- > If so, what kinds of specs does it have (ie capacity, speed, etc.)?
- > And what is the going price for one?
- >=20
- > Thanks
- > Ed
-
- Yes, but the 1581 isn't it. The 1581 is a 3.5" DD drive.
-
- Creative Micro Designs makes some SCSI wonders for the C64/128. =20
-
- Their smallest models, last I looked, were around 500 meg (which is mor=
- e
- than any Commodore owner can fathom to use), and were around $300-$450.
-
- - Bo
- #! rnews 1892
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- com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!news
- From: "Michael Bendure" <mbendure@infinet.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Update C-Net 64 DS2 Webpage
- Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:00:29 GMT
- Organization: InfiNet
- Lines: 30
- Message-ID: <01bb7810$d49eb000$08f667ce@mbendure.infinet.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: nwk-p029.infinet.com
- Mime-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1
- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
- X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1132
-
- I can't remember if I've posted this hear or not, but just in case I
- missed it, here it is again.
-
- I've been working on the C-Net 64 DS2 BBS Web Page and added a 10 sec
- animation that shows the Waiting for Call screen and what happens when th=
- e
- Sysop logs into Local Mode. I'll eventually make this so that it logs in=
- to
- the BBS, pulls a menu of commands and navigates through the different are=
- as
- of a stock C-Net 64 DS2 BBS, displaying the menus of each area.
-
- I feel this is a good way to demo the program, eventhough only the PC
- users with Netscape and Internet Explorer can really see it. Has anyone
- written an animated GIF viewer for the 64 or 128 yet? If so, they could
- download it and view it off line. :)
-
- I'm also working on getting all the links finished. All the hardware
- links are done and working, still need to add a few more things though.=20
- The page in my signature will take you to my page which has a link to the
- C-Net page, or you can go directly there with this one:
-
- http://www.infinet.com/~mbendure/cnet
-
- --=20
- C-Net 64 DS2 Software WWW: http://www.infinet.com/~mbendure
- 92 Lee Ave Suite N3 Email: mbendure@infinet.com
- Newark, Ohio 43055 IRC: #C-Net on Efnet =
- =20
- =20
- (614)/788-8568 CommNet: Mitron @ Cygnus X-1
-
- Cygnus X-1 BBS
- (614)/522-6563
- #! rnews 677
- Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news=
- -res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miw=
- ok!northcoast.com!news
- From: Jeff Schwartz <jflooper@northcoast.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: c64 on a mac
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:46:43 -0700
- Organization: Northcoast Internet
- Lines: 2
- Message-ID: <31F420F4.697@northcoast.com>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: arcata.northcoast.com
- Mime-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
- X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5 (Macintosh; I; 68K)
-
- I'd like to play Telengard and other c64 games on my mac with the c64
- emulator. Can it be done? Please EMAIL me!
- #! rnews 492
- Path: pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.=
- com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.idt.net!news
- From: jms7@mail.idt.net (jms7@mail.idt.net)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Earth Orbit Stations (EA)
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:42:30 GMT
- Organization: IDT Corporation
- Lines: 6
- Message-ID: <4t0ssm$cc8@News.IDT.NET>
- Reply-To: jms7@mail.idt.net
- NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-13.ts-7.nyc.idt.net
- X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
-
-
- Am I the only one who still plays this game? =20
-
-
-
-
- #! rnews 1885
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- com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-feed.iguide.com!news.delphi.com!usenet
- From: Donovan Dyer <novan@delphi.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: dir/editor/fd2000
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 18:43:20 -0500
- Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)
- Lines: 25
- Message-ID: <xxFt-GQ.novan@delphi.com>
- References: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960721134417.27862C-100000@spartacus.hula.net>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com
- X-To: Joesph Fenn <jfenn@spartacus.hula.net>
-
- Joesph Fenn <jfenn@spartacus.hula.net> writes:
- =20
- >Does anyone out there know of a Dir/Editor useable with the FD2000 drive
- >in its 1.6meg High Density disk mode? The 1581/and-or/Maverick dir eds
- >will not work with the drive in HD mode. It will read the Directory
- >in the Mav version of dir/editor, but cannot manipulate or write a
- >revised dir back to the HD 1.6 meg formatted disk. If someone hasnt
- >done it we need one by CMD thats would let us mark off various type
- >data stored on the disk with seperator bars (lines).
- =20
- I have a dir editor that I use called Dedit.128 v7.0. It works very good.
- So good in fact, I'm trying to get around to sending the writer some mone=
- y :)
- All I need is a RoundTuiT. BUT, you didn't say if you are using a 128 or =
- 64.
- So this info maynot do you any good. I think there is a copy of it on the=
- CMD
- Utilities disks, I got my copy here on Delphi where all the Commies meet =
- :)
- =20
- As for lines separating file groups, I've used ----------------- and ++++=
- ++++
- or ############ or whatever came to mind. Open up a file in a wordwriter =
- prog,
- the best is ZED, and name it ---------------- or whatever, and save it.
- =20
- The best way to separate the files is to create partitions on the disk wi=
- th
- the @md:dirname command, and put the diferent files in their own dir. Tha=
- t
- is of course if you have JiffyDos :)
- =20
- Don
- #! rnews 1227
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- inntp!usenet
- From: wanderer_rtc@usa.pipeline.com(R. T. Cunningham)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm,comp.emulators.cbm
- Subject: Re: IRC for C64
- Date: 23 Jul 1996 01:36:20 GMT
- Organization: BBS SysOp Extraordinaire
- Lines: 16
- Message-ID: <4t1aak$gfn@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
- References: <4suuj8$8gt@herald.concentric.net>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.8.231.4
- X-PipeUser: wanderer_rtc
- X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com
- X-PipeGCOS: (R. T. Cunningham)
- X-Newsreader: Pipeline v3.5.0
- Xref: pravda.aa.msen.com comp.sys.cbm:58348 comp.emulators.cbm:12705
-
- On Jul 22, 1996 04:03:52 in article <Re: IRC for C64>, 'Alchy@cris.com
- (Kyle Buffington)' wrote:=20
- =20
- >There already is a formed channel for the C=3D64 it is channel =20
- >#c-64 come and join in ...=20
- =20
- Really? I've tried that channel and several different IRC servers and it
- was non-existant. Please give me the name of the IRC server and I may be
- one to join in. I do have a lot of knowledge about the 64, as well as th=
- e
- 128.=20
- =20
- --=20
- =20
- Richard T. Cunningham (a.k.a. Wanderer)=20
- SysOp of the Desert Oasis BBS in Phoenix, AZ=20
- A Commodore 128 BBS, 602-849-2892
- #! rnews 821
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- com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-feed.iguide.com!news.delphi.com!usenet
- From: joy daidola <joydaidola@delphi.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: ID This Hardware: Hearsay 1000
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 19:04:26 -0500
- Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice)
- Lines: 7
- Message-ID: <51AMveS.joydaidola@delphi.com>
- References: <4sret6$qa@nadine.teleport.com> <4srpab$duv@catapult.gatech.e=
- du>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com
- X-To: Tp12a <gt7357a@acmex.gatech.edu>
-
- If you have the hearsay but no manuel,
- let me know quickly and give me your
- =3D
- address and I'll copy the manuel for
- you, but you must let me know right awayas I'm due to pack up the hearsay=
- I
- haveto send to a friend and then will no
- longer have the manuel..
- #! rnews 1770
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- eed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.=
- sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!eskimo!news.pixi.com!news.hula.=
- net!spartacus.hula.net!jfenn
- From: Joesph Fenn <jfenn@spartacus.hula.net>
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: Commodore HD?
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:06:55 -1000
- Organization: Hula Net, Inc. Hawaii's Newest Internet Provider
- Lines: 26
- Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960722140151.21940D-100000@spartacus.hula.net>
- References: <31F34FAB.6E6A@ucdavis.edu>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: spartacus.hula.net
- Mime-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII
- To: Edward Eisenman <ez061273@ucdavis.edu>
- In-Reply-To: <31F34FAB.6E6A@ucdavis.edu>
-
-
-
- On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Edward Eisenman wrote:
-
- This may be a silly question but...
- =20
- Is there a C64/128 compatible hard drive? (1581?)
- If so, what kinds of specs does it have (ie capacity, speed, etc.)?
- And what is the going price for one?
- Thanks
- Ed
- =20
- Well there is a Drive (1581) but its not considered to be a hard drive
- in the sense of holding huge amounts of data but it does quite well as
- it can store up to 800k of data, and was the fastest drive that CBM
- made at the time. The going price is wild as they are much in demand
- as used stuff (no new ones available) and the price depends on how
- badly you want it. I wouldnt sell one for less than $125 if in good
- working condition. The FD2000 I just received is an even snazier
- drive and its made by CMB. Can format and store up to 1.6 megabyte
- of data but also can do 1581 type disk formats. Its a jewel and
- even smaller than the 1581. I love it.
- (cost $204 including UPS to Hawaii)
- ***** kilroy *****
- =20
-
- #! rnews 1916
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- ink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.=
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- o2.telia.com!usenet
- From: m9944@abc.se (Peter Karlsson)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: CKIT - Dongle!
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:51:33 GMT
- Organization: http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dat95pkn
- Lines: 33
- Message-ID: <4t11dl$qnu@d1o2.telia.com>
- References: <96072018373047741@qcs.org>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: t5o2p3.telia.com
- X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
-
- In article <96072018373047741@qcs.org>, Alan Jones
- <alan.jones@qcs.org> wrote:
-
- > The most discusting common archive format is .d64. =20
-
- Well, I like it. The good thing is that you get the disk exactly as it
- was supposed to be, with no possability of corruption of the file
- names or things like that.
-
- > Recently, Peter Karlsson posted a disk full of C64 character sets to
- > comp.binaries.cbm in .d64 format. =20
-
- > After about
- > half a day of effort I had a 72390 byte charsets.arc file that I can
- > upload to a local BBS for anyone that wants more C64 character sets.
-
- Yes, I know that it was quite a waste of bandwith -- I'm the first one
- to admit it. I thought that the disk was fuller than it really was.
- I'm sorry about that. I generally distribute d64 files in zipped
- format, but for some reason, I didn't zip this one.
-
- The problem is that I don't have any good programs to create other
- archive formats. I *could* use ARC128 or LYNX or something on my
- Commodore, but it's so slow. What I would like is a program to convert
- from a D64 file to a LYNX archive, or something like that.
-
- A .T64 image would probably have been a wiser choice for that posting.
-
-
- \\//
- Peter - m9944@abc.se - Fidonet 2:204/145.42
- - May not be distributed via the microsoft network
-
- #! rnews 1499
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- ws.ucsc.edu!news.ucsc.edu!hermit
- From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: What or who is Visacorp?
- Date: 23 Jul 1996 00:47:43 GMT
- Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
- Lines: 21
- Message-ID: <HERMIT.96Jul22174743@ese.UCSC.EDU>
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- In-reply-to: elphantas@aol.com's message of 8 Jul 1996 09:19:43 -0400
-
- In article <4rr1tf$ea8@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, elphantas@aol.com (El Phan=
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- ) In article <9607032300.AA0047r@cosine.demon.co.uk>, Jason
- ) <tmr@cosine.demon.co.uk> writes:
-
- )>One thing I missed is who owns the old 8bit C=3D architecture now?
-
- ) Viscorp will own the technology, but Escom will retain rights to the
- ) Commodore name. They have been using it for IBM compatible peripherals.
-
- Viscorp will own *AMIGA* technology, yes. But I don't think they
- bought the C64 family. I think Escom still owns that, and maybe CMD
- can make a bid for it, now that Escom is dying?
-
- --Bill.
-
- --
- William R Ward Bay View Consulting http://www.bayview.com/~her=
- mit/
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- From: wanderer_rtc@usa.pipeline.com(R. T. Cunningham)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: Re: CKIT 94 - Dongle!
- Date: 23 Jul 1996 01:24:06 GMT
- Organization: BBS SysOp Extraordinaire
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-
- After creating such a flurry of comments, suggestions, and rhetoric by my
- poor choice of wording, I'm back and with a vengeance. Not really a
- vengeance, but it sounded good as I typed it.=20
- =20
- Seriously, when I returned to Phoenix this last Friday, the first thing I
- dug up was the CKit Manual, which contains a copy of the license agreemen=
- t.
- Now, remembering the condition in which I originally received the
- software, I may be bordering on insulting a few of you. The entire
- software package (including the manual) was wrapped in plastic (I don't
- think it was shrink-wrapped but loosely wrapped and sealed). Clearly
- visible while looking at it from the front was the license agreement
- itself. In large, bold print, in two lines at the top of the page was:=
- =20
- =20
- BEFORE YOU OPEN THE PACKAGE=20
- READ THIS FIRST!=20
- =20
- Very easily read, it the page displays license agreement and the first 3
- articles of it (the remainder are on the reverse side).=20
- =20
- I am going to quote Article 1 and insert comments as I go. Please bear
- with me:=20
- =20
- 1. LICENSE GRANT=20
- =20
- Licensor hereby grants to you, and you accept, a nonexclusive license to
- use the Security Key, the Program Diskette and the computer programs
- contained therein in machine-readable, object code form only (collectivel=
- y
- referred to as the "Software"), and the accompanying User Documentation,
- only as authorized in this License Agreement. The Software may be used
- only on a single computer owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by you; =
- or
- in the event of the inoperability of that computer, on a backup computer
- selected by you. <Comment: if the main computer I use is here in Barstow=
- -
- I'm the only user of it - the computer is considered inoperable when I'm
- I'm not here to use it, the backup computer is my other one in Phoenix -
- hence, I'm complying with the license agreement even by having the progra=
- m
- operating on both computers at different times> Neither concurrent use o=
- n
- two or more computers nor use in a local area network or other network is
- permitted without separate authorization and the payment of other license
- fees. <Comment: concurrent means using on more than one computer at the
- same time, impossible if both computers are in two different states - of
- course, that could probably be done on a PC useing PCAnywhere or Carbon
- Copy> =20
- You agree that you will not assign, sublicense, transfer, pledge, lease,
- rent, or share your rights under this License Agreement. You agree that
- you may not reverse assemble, reverse compile, or otherwise translate the
- Software.=20
- =20
- Of couse, theres more legal jargon in the remainder of the articles. It
- goes on to say that you can make only one backup of the program diskette =
- in
- the case the original is destroyed or unusable, and can make one copy of
- the manual for backup purposes. Some of this is really silly, but I can
- understand what the intent is. I don't use the original CKit diskette, I
- have it installed on the hard drive. I have a copy on the other hard
- drive. I'm not even sure I have the original diskette anymore. Oh well,=
- I
- guess I didn't comply with the agreement since I don't have an original
- diskette and one backup diskette.=20
- =20
- The point is, I can only run one computer at a time. I am positive I am
- complying with the intent of the agreement. And as I mentioned before so
- uneloquently, the only drawback is that I have to transport the dongle ba=
- ck
- and forth between states in order to use either one. That, in itself, is
- risky business as I've lost it twice. Of course I found it again each
- time, but it would be nice to be able to not worry about it. As one of m=
- y
- correspondents mentioned, she was on a flight from point A to point B and
- worried about whether she had forgotten the dongle when she packed.=20
- =20
- No, I won't be buying any more software that's dongle protected if I can
- help it. CKit is a good piece of software ruined by an unnecessary
- hardware add-on. Let me key in on this. It is NOT a GREAT piece of
- software, although it could have been if it had used a tighter algorithm
- (such as arc, arj or zip) and if it had been made to work on a C128 in it=
- 's
- 2 mhz 80 column mode.=20
- =20
- I guess the old adage is true: You can't have your cake and eat it too!=20
-
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- com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.isl.net!mmiller3
- From: mmiller3@sparc.isl.net (Michael Miller)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: The Big Red Q...
- Date: 23 Jul 1996 02:18:38 GMT
- Organization: InfoNet Inc., Rochester, MN
- Lines: 13
- Message-ID: <4t1cpu$n6l@news.isl.net>
- NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc.isl.net
- X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
-
- I can't find this song in my SID archive...if you have it, I would
- greatly appreciate it if you could encode it and send it to my mail
- (mmiller3@sparc.isl.net) or post it on comp.binaries.cbm., I would also
- appreciate any other SIDs that had to do with QLink, like SIDFest albums
- from earlier than 1991, parodies ("The House of Quantum Link" is one of m=
- y
- favorites :), etc.
-
- One last thing: On what date did Q-Link open?
-
- Thanks!
-
- Mike Miller
- --The (Pretentious?) Parody Man
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- From: "Mike Casey" <bugfamly@wasatch.com>
- Newsgroups: alt.games.video.classic,comp.sys.cbm
- Subject: C64 Software for sale
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:59:37 -0600
- Organization: Wasatch Communications
- Lines: 265
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-
-
- COMMODORE 64/128 SOFTWARE FOR SALE
- JULY 1996
- =20
- E-MAIL: BUGFAMLY@WASATCH.COM
- =20
- THE FOLLOWING TITLES ARE COMPLETE IN BOX WITH ORIGINAL DISKS AND DOCS,ONL=
- Y
- $4 EACH
-
- APPLICATIONS/PRODUCTIVITY
- BASEBALL STAT. MANAGER *PLEASE ADD POSTAG=
- E
- TO EACH ORDER!
- MICRO DETECTIVE ($4
- MINIMUM)
- COMMODORE EASY SPELL
- GENERAL KNOWLEDGE BUILDER BLANK DS/DD DISKS .10c
- EACH!
- INFOBASE 64 BLACK
- RIBBON FOR OKI 10/20 $5
- SUPERBASE 64 SET
- INSTANT RECALL DATABASE
- MADMAN COMPRESSION KIT
- EASY SPEECH (ADDS SPEECH TO TEXT GAMES, USE ONLY WITH VOICE MESENGER)
-
- GAMES
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- DECEPTOR
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- NETHERWORLD
- NOVABLAST
- MURDER BY THE DOZEN
- HOLLYWOOD SQUARES
- WING COMMANDER
- DEADLINE
- JEOPARDY(SHRINKWRAPPED)
- Z PILOT
- SUPER HUEY
- FLIGHT SIM II
- RELMS OF DARKNESS
- PORTAL
- ARCHON
- BARDS TALE II
- ECHELON
- DUNGEONQUEST
- AMAZON
- TEMPLE OF APSHI
- RENDEVOUS WITH RAMA
- 720 SKATEBOARDING
- WASTELAND
- HES GAMES
- BMX RACING
- INTERNATIONAL SOCCER (CART, IN BOX)
-
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-
- THE FOLLOWING TITLES ARE ORIGINAL DISKS WITH INSTRUCTIONS ONLY, $3 EACH
-
- BLOCK OUT
- EASY SCRIPT
- HEAVY METAL
- MUSICALC
- VIP TERMINAL
- MOVIE MONSTER GAME
- TOP GUN
- SUPERSTAR HOCKEY
- SUPERSTAR SOCCER
- SKATE ROCK
- BLOCKBUSTER
- ROAD RUNNER
- F-14 TOMCAT
- INVADERS OF THE LOST TOMB
- GHOSTS & GOBLINS
- KARNOV
- VALUE CALC
- ELIMINATOR
- HUNTER PATROL/AD INFINITUM
-
- HARDWARE
-
- C64 COMPLETE $25
- 1541 DRIVE $20
- 1541 DRIVE W/JIFFY DOS $45
-
- BOOKS
-
- KID TO KID ON THE COMMODORE 64 $4
- C64 OWNERS MANUAL $4
- ASSORTED COMMODORE MAGAZINES 50 CENTS EACH! (ask for list)
-
- THE FOLLOWING TITLES ARE ORIGINAL DISK ONLY WITH NO DOCS, $2 EACH
-
- 128 TUTORIAL DISK
- 1541 DEMO DISK
- 1551 DEMO DISK
- 1571 DEMO DISK
- 1985
- ACCOLADE COMICS
- ADVENTURE PAK
- ADVENTURE CONSTRUCTION SET
- AEROBICS
- ALTER EGO
- ALTERED BEAST
- AMERICA'S CUP
- APOLLO 18
- ARCADE ACTION
- ARCADE GAMES AND SPORTS SPECTACULAR
- BARDS TALE III
- BAT
- BATMAN
- BATTLETECH
- BCI SOFTWARE 3 FOR ALL
- BEACH VOLLEYBALL
- BETTER WORKING WORD PROCESSOR
- BEYOND CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN
- BILL & TEDS EXCELLENT ADVENTURE
- BLACK FLAG COPIER
- BMX TRIALS
- CAPCOM MINI GOLF
- CHAMPIONSHIP GAMBLER
- CHASE ON TOM SAWYERS ISLAND (DISNEY)
- CHESS CHALENGER
- CHESS CHAMPION
- CHOMP
- CLASSIC CONCENTRATION
- CLIFFHANGER
- COMMODORE B/GRAPH
- COMMODORE ENGLISH 5
- COMMODORE HISTORY
- COMMODORE MATH III
- CONAN
- CONTRA
- COOL WORLD
- COUNTDOWN TO SHUTDOWN
- CRITICAL MASS
- DANCING FEATS
- DARK TOWER, THE
- DEADLINE
- DESCISION MAKER
- DEMONSTALKERS
- DES-SOFT
- DI-SECTOR 3.0
- DICK TRACY
- DIEHARD
- DONALD DUCKS PLAYGROUND
- DUCK TALES
- EARLY GAMES FOR CHILDREN
- EASY WORKING PLANNER/FILER
- ELECTRONIC CHECKBOOK
- FACTORY
- FAST EDDIE
- FEARLESS FRED & THE FACTORY OF DOOM
- FELONY
- FROGGER/THRESHOLD
- FUN HOUSE
- GEOS 1.2
- GHOST MANOR/SPIKES PEAK
- GHOSTBUSTERS II
- GOSPEL GRAPHICS FOR PRINTSHOP
- GRAPH PAK/CHART PAK
- GRAPHIC LABEL MAKER
- HARDBALL
- HEIST,THE
- HITCHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY
- HOLLYWOOD POKER
- HOME BANKER
- HUNTER PATROL/AD INFINITUM
- IN SEARCH OF THE MOST AMAZING THING
- INDOOR SPORTS
- INFOCOM 4 IN 1 SAMPLER
- INTERNATIONAL TEAM SPORTS
- JEOPARDY
- JET
- JOHN ELWAY QUARTERBACK
- KANE/HUMAN RACE
- KENTUCKY DERBY
- KEYPUNCH ARCADE & SPORTS SPECTACULAR
- KIKSTART
- KNIGHT GAMES
- L.A. SWAT/PANTHER
- LAST V8,THE
- LAGACY OF THE ANCIENTS
- LIFEPLAN
- LORDS OF CONQUEST
- MACH 5 UTILITIES DISK
- MANAGER, THE C64
- MANIAC MANSION
- MASTER GRADER
- MASTER OF MAGIC
- MASTER TRIVIA
- MASTERING THE S.A.T. (4 DISKS)
- MICRO-ASTROLOGER
- MINDSHADOW
- MIRROR V.3.3 COPIER
- MOBIUS
- MONDUS FIGHT PALACE
- MR. ROBOT & HIS ROBOT FACTORY
- NEUTRAL ZONE
- NEVER ENDING STORY
- NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET
- NINJA
- ONE STEP PROGRAMMING UTILITIES
- OUTRUN
- PERFECT COLLEGE, THE
- PIRATES TOOLKIT/MIRROR V.2
- POCKETWRITER 2
- POWER DISK GAMES
- PREDATOR
- PRINTED WORD, THE
- PSYCHO
- PUZZLE MANIA
- R-TYPE
- RAMPAGE
- RAMPART
- REPTON=20
- RETROGRADE
- ROBOCOP
- ROCK STAR
- ROCKET RANGER
- SARGON II
- SCRUPLES
- SENTINAL WORLDS
- SEVEN CITIES OF GOLD
- SHADOW WARRIORS
- SHAMUS
- SHOTGUN II/BULLSEYE COPIERS
- SIDEARMS
- SKATECRAZY
- SLUGGER
- SPACE HARRIER
- SPELLRIGHT PLUS
- STAR FRONTEIRS
- STARGLIDER=20
- STRIP POKER I
- STRIP POKER II
- SUCCESS WITH MATH
- SUMMER CAMP
- SUPER HUEY II
- SUPERBASE
- SUPERSTAR SOCCER
- TEAM SPORTS
- TECHNOCOP
- TETRIS
- THING ON A SPRING
- THUNDERBLADE
- TOP FLIGHT
- TOUCHDOWN FOOTBALL
- TOUCHTERM
- TYPING PROFESSOR
- TYPING TEACHER/ALGEBRA DRAGONS
- TYPING TUTOR/WORD INVADERS
- WATER POLO
- WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT
- WILLOW
- WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW
- WOBBLER
- WORDMASTER SENIOR
- WORDPRO 3 =20
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