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Bruce R. McFarling ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Notice that normally the 6502 address space is full
: with additional memory (if available) banked in by an external
: memory management arrangement.  So if the 6502 *had* 'boundary
: errors' it would be pointless -- I believe the Andre's original
: 6502 box had memory banking on 4K boundaries (is that right?)
Yes you are right. The upper 4 address bits were taken as index
into 16 registers each 8 bit wide. So I had 16 chunks of memory,
each 4kByte in size.
These could then be mapped to any of 256 chunks within the=20
extended up to 1MByte memory.

: which give 16 different relocatable chunks of memory in the
: memory space.  So the assumption that
: (logical address space) > (physical address space)
: is often strictly false for a 6502 machine. (That includes
: the original 6502, with 64K RAM, 16K ROM, and 0K < IO < 4K
You mean C64, don't you?

Andre


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From: [e-mail] (Andre Fachat)
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Subject: Re: Multithreading OS for the C64
Date: 3 Jul 1996 16:18:08 GMT
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Martijn van Buul ([e-mail]) wrote:
: | I'm guessing he uses the timer interrupt. Am I close?
: Well, I guess he is ;) I'm currently making a task-swapper myself (just
: for the fun of it. I've got no intentions or whatever blahblah), and I'=
m
: using the NMI for it... Those CIA's might come in hand, every now and t=
hen..

Well, I'm using the timer interrupt. But then I use the IRQ timer.
A disadvantage is, that 'nasty' programs can take full control over
the machine. An advantage is that the system itself cannot be=20
interrupted when doing critical routines. Well, that could have been
taken care of with a flag (to immediately return from NMI) but
I thought it was easier this way.

And as I wanted to run close-to-hardware processes on the machine, I
wanted a process to be able to protect itself from task switching.
(for timing critical hardware handling)
Which is obviously easier when just doing a SEI instead of=20
calling some StopMultiTasking or RestartMultiTasking (as the Amiga does)
to access some kernel internal flag - which is not available in the=20
process memory.
=20
Andre

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Stephen Judd wrote:
> Why don't you swap the CIAs and see what the new behavior is?

Well, 80 pins are a pain to de-solder if I don't havta :)  Any other
software fixes that might set this register to zero???
> >Radioactive Warrior
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: >> how did you make it pre-emptive when the 6502 processor
: >> itself has no way to check for boundaries or anything
: >> (so called trap errors coming from the processor itself
: >> (in pc systems btw)). In what way can the operating system

In my original design, the memory pages from other processes just couldn'=
t
be accessed, as they were not mapped in. (As I explained in another
post). A process with 8kByte RAM just had access to 8 kByte RAM
and the rest of the address space would be mapped into some read-only
regions (well, I used the kernel image...)
So that the process can just change it's own RAM.

That's even a way to implement paging, i.e. put a process out on disk=20
if memory is short. Only one thing, as you mentioned, has to be taken
care of: The 6502 cannot detect memory faults, so that _all_ memory pages
belonging to the process must be mapped and accessible when it is run.
(Even if there were some hardware mechanism to detect the fault,
there is no way to restore the original register values as before the
trapped memory access - which is essential to correctly re-execute
the offending opcode after the page has been loaded.
The capability to restore the register values was one of the few
improvements of the Motorola 68010 CPU above the 68000.)

so long
Andre

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From: [e-mail] (Tony Postmayer)
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Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: C64 Prog Ref Guide etext available
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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:12:00 GMT, [e-mail] (Cris
Berneburg) wrote:

>
>OK, it's finally done! The Commodore 64 Programmer's
>Reference Guide is now available to you as a Project 64
>electronic text. Here's an excerpt from the document that
>Ville Muikkula <[e-mail]>, the individual
>who undertook this effort, included in the etext header:
>
Excellent job.  I just visited your homepage a snagged a bunch of
texts.  I thinks it's a great way of preserving these old sources of
information.

Keep up the good work!

(and don't let any pissy-faced wet blankets dampen your enthusiam)

  Tony -


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)
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I just missed out on the article "AT to be sold to Visacorp!!!", and only=
=20
was able to read the responses (which BTW, where off topic, but who=20
cares...that's ancient history now) ;)

What is Visacorp, and what is AT?Does it tie in with the Commodore=20
community? I've been out of touch with the commodore community for about=20
half a year now until just recently, so I might have missed something big=
=20
inbetween.

Regards,

Paul Allen Panks


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From: Pontus Berg <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:27:34 -0700
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Pontus Berg wrote:
> Try looking at my list of tools supporting the c64 on other platforms!
> http://www.ludd.luth.se/~watchman/fairlight/c64/tools2.htm (phew - I ho=
pe I got
> it right)

Sorry for the error in the reference; It shall really be:=20

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~watchman/fairlight/c64/tools2.html

Only the ending "l" missing but that made a lot of difference!

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Thanks for the information on Comal. I read the story in Comal
Today but had forgotten a lot of it. I agree with everthing said
about Comal as a programming language. I have pretty much given up
up programming. I'm not quite up to Assembly, and certainly can't
face up to programming with either Commodore Basic. Just to=20
frustrating and painful. I join in weeping for Comal. I have
piles and piles of Comal material, but nobody much is even=20
willing to look at Commodore Comal. The Comal area on QLink was
just a tiny handful of people talking about Amiga Comal and
IBM Comal. If Comal had become better known in the Commodore
world, there would be a lot more people with the courage to
program. With just Len Lindsay plugging it with his limited
resourcethere was little hope.
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From: [e-mail] (Jean P Nance)
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Watch this area! Commodore 64s and Commodore 128s are available
at times. Also, consult the ads in "Commodore World" magazine.
Several places offer used and refurbished Commodore hardware.
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From: Jason <[e-mail]>
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Jari Karppinen:
: Ok, lynxed files were easy since I have the Ult.Lynx 3, but=20
: can anyone tell me how to unpack files with extension .SFX ?
: It is supposed to be somekind of self extracting archive, right --- but=
=20
: how do I get it to extract itself?

You run it!  That's how it *self* extracts!  =3D-)

: Also there were some LHA archives, which contained files with names
: like: 1!turbo, 2!turbo etc.=20

I'll do this one in a mo...

: How to unpack those? (What files are they anyway....?)
: I have also heard of zipcode... what might that be then?

Those files are zipcode.  But not like the PKZip/GnuZip it's a complete
disk compressor (takes one side of a disk and mashes it down into four
files so that even trackload stuff can be shipped around via modems).

To unpack them check Digital Dungeon's tools directory for ARZIP/UNZIP.
But I doubt it'll like an emulator.

Jason  =3D-)
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From: Jason <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CCNGA demos and emulation support discontinued... timeframe =
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Craig Bruce:
: Anyhow, the demos and emulation stuff are taking up 20 Megs of this
: space and that is increasing since both of these types of programs
: usually come in obnoxiously large ZIP files.  (Plus, I personally
: think that both of these things are useless).

Bruce R. McFarling:
:       A much better reason would be that the best emulators
: are available elsewhere, and *ought* to be on any collection of
: the relevant host system that pretends to provide all the useful
: things you can do on that host -- and to be sure, there nothing
: more useful than making a host pretend it's a C64.  And Digital
: Dungeon has a good collection of demos.

Please, Craig, if you are killing all the files check to see if they
are on one of the other FTP sites first!  I'd hate to see the last
copy of a demo vanish because nobody else was carrying it!

Jason  =3D-)
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From: [e-mail] (Onno Ebbinge)
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>  vm> The Project 64 etext of the Commodore 64 Programmer's
>  vm> Reference Guide, first edition. Converted to etext by
>  vm> Ville Muikkula. ...
>=20
>  vm> I hope that this massive
>  vm> project shows to the C=3D community that it is in a fact
>  vm> possible for one man to convert a 500 page book to
>  vm> ASCII text. One just have to be dedicated, believe that
>  vm> it can be done and have the PATIENCE for it...
>  vm> of free time. So, who's going to etext Inside Commodore
>  vm> DOS?
>=20
> Who has Gerald Nuefeld's email address?  I'd like to forward a copy
> of the above message to him and visacorp.
>=20
> Last time I looked there was a copyright notice on the inside
> of the above mentioned books.
=20
Here is a reply from Gerald Neufeld to an email of mine:
=20
> Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 19:13:59 +0700
> From: Gerald Neufeld <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: 1541
> To: [e-mail]
>=20
> On: Wed, 08 May 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>=20
> > I've been searching for the best 1541 reference guide for quite
> > a time now... and various people recommended your book!
> >=20
> > Where can I get a copy?
>=20
> I don't know. Datamost went under back in the mid 1980's and so it=20
> has been out of print for the last 10 years or so.
>=20
> > Or is it digital available?
>=20
> No it is not. Datamost or someone who was at the final auction owns
> the copyright (I don't). However, I'd like to know who does because
> whoever does owes me big time in unpaid royalties!
>=20
> > What other book about the 1541 do you recommend?
>=20
> The 1541 User's Guide that I wrote was probably one of the few that
> dealt with the general operation from a user's point of view. The=20
> "Inside Commodore DOS" book that Dick Immers and I did was the
> first  of the books that looked at the inner workings. Abacus
> Publishing  did a couple of other books about the 1541 internals.
> I'm not sure  what is available at this point.
>=20
> > Would you consider making it digital available?
>=20
> I still have the original version in digital form but I'm not sure=20
> whether I have a computer/drive that can read the old formats.=20
> Besides, I don't own the copyright so I can't release it.
>=20
> Gerry
> =20
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> Gerald Neufeld,=20
> Dept. of Curriculum & Instruction (Math/Science)
> Faculty of Education, Brandon University
> Brandon, Manitoba, Canada  R7A 6A9  [phone]
> [e-mail]
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> Ask about
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>    Driving the Infohighway: A Guide for VAX/VMS Users
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)
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Subject: More 128D problems
Date: 3 Jul 1996 18:22:10 GMT
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I believe this problem was addressed in a much earlier article, but I=20
think it bears repeating:

My 128D has problems getting such 64 - specific software as MULE,Seven=20
Cities of Gold,Survivor,etc to run...many of the programs will load but=20
not run.

Are all 128D's incompatible with some 64 software, or is it case specific=
?

Regards,

Paul Allen Panks

BTW, I check with ?PEEK(65408) and my bread-box 64 has the same kernal=20
rom revision as my 128D's 64 mode. So how come there's still software=20
incompatibility??
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>  vm> The Project 64 etext of the Commodore 64 Programmer's
>  vm> Reference Guide, first edition. Converted to etext by
>  vm> Ville Muikkula. ...
=20
Fine piece of work... but you also copied the errors!
=20
>  vm> I hope that this massive
>  vm> project shows to the C=3D community that it is in a fact
>  vm> possible for one man to convert a 500 page book to
>  vm> ASCII text. One just have to be dedicated, believe that
>  vm> it can be done and have the PATIENCE for it...
>  vm> of free time. So, who's going to etext Inside Commodore
>  vm> DOS?
=20
If someone is going to 'etext' Inside Commodore DOS I suggest
to get a copy of the disk that you could order with it. This
will save you a lot of work ;-)
=20
Onno
=20
PS: I don't have a copy of the disk that one could order with
    Inside Commodore DOS. If YOU do please send me one!
=20
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Where are they now? Then and now
Date: 3 Jul 1996 18:43:29 GMT
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I think an interesting article, if it hasn't already been discussed at=20
some point in time, is about former Commodore personalities and what they=
=20
are doing now.

A prime example would be Jim Butterfield. For years, he has helped the=20
commodore community with countless contributions and programs, and very,=20
very valuable information which we will always cherish and respect. Last=20
I heard, Jim Butterfield was still actively involved in the Commodore=20
Community.

Any other names people remember?

I'd be particularly interested what individuals such as Tim Walsh, Arnie=20
Katz, Lou Sander, Cleve Blakemore, Joey Latimer, Morton Kevelson, Mike Ho=
yt=20
and Tonny Brantner are doing now.

Even part time commore people such as author Orson Scott Card would be=20
interesting to learn more about.
 Regards,

Paul Allen Panks


--
--
"Chickens may lay eggs, but roosters wake you up in the morning. Nobody=20
pays them to do that. I do less work than that and I get paid. And I=20
don't like eggs anyhow. Ooh! Bacon!"

Homer Simpson, on subsidizing small-town agriculture.


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re:Triumph of the Nerds
Date: 3 Jul 1996 18:58:09 GMT
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One notable contribution that probably goes unnoticed (because of the=20
computers total market mailure) was Commodore putting consumer selectable=
=20
software and applications in ROM (Plus/4, 1984). This should have been=20
done with the 128 as well, IMHO, but it was an innovation that was at=20
least recognized in that August 1994 Byte Article about R.I.P. Commodore.

First affordable color computer at under $300 (Vic-20) (1980)
First stereo synthesizer in a computer (C64, 1982)
First true "Multimedia" computer (Amiga, 1985).

I think Commodore has been ignored, as that aricle pointed out, because=20
people have been wanting to rewrite the history books for a long time to=20
the tune of Apple and IBM, who indeed were major players (and pioneers as=
=20
well), but who could=20
not have had as much impact without such pioneers as Commodore or Atari.

A definative history on microcomputers that includes at least fair=20
mention of Commodore will probably,sadly, never be written.

Regards,

Paul Allen Panks


--
--
"Chickens may lay eggs, but roosters wake you up in the morning. Nobody=20
pays them to do that. I do less work than that and I get paid. And I=20
don't like eggs anyhow. Ooh! Bacon!"

Homer Simpson, on subsidizing small-town agriculture.


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From: [e-mail] (Rolf-Herbert Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Comm128D to PC
Date: 30 Jun 1996 15:44:40 GMT
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Who can help me? I need to tranfer text data saved on Commodore 128D disk=
=20
to PC. Is there any solution (software/hardware)?

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From: [e-mail] (Onno Ebbinge)
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Anyone who has a copy of the disk that you could order along with
Inside Commodore DOS?

Onno
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From: "Matthew R. Kuehn" <[e-mail]>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:31:19 -0500
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Hello!

I can't seem to find parts 1 and 8 of the General FAQ, v3.1.
If anyone can help, please e-mail me the missing sections or let me know=20
personally where to find them. Thanks.

Matthew R. Kuehn
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 1581 HD or DD
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:28:51 -1000
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To: ChrisC <[e-mail]>
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Furthermore ref DD/HD disks.  When I tried swap some empty DD disks to
a PC user he frowned and said "I cant use those they only go out to
800K on format" or words to that effect.  I told him to try them anyway.
He has Doc6.2 and a 486 DX2.   I tried the format cmd but his response
was "unrecognized format".   In order to get around that he "bulk erased"
the disks I gave him then tried it again.  He was shocked, as the format
went right out to 1.6Mb no problem on first try.  He thought he had to
poke out a hole in the disk to do that but found it was not required.
When I passed this info on to other PC users they wouldnt believe me.
The only catch is,  early versions of DOS would not do it, but anything
after Dos 5 would.    Just making a point of we learn something every
day if we dig deep.
                   ***** kilroy *****


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From: Jim Self <[e-mail] (Jim Self)>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: MoEBIUS (free to 4th caller)
Date: 3 Jul 1996 20:57:31 GMT
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I've got way too much clutter. Games often come with systems that I buy. =
So, I'm
going to give away some games that I know I'll never use. I was trying to=
 figure
out how to do it and this is what I came up with:

I'll mail this game to the 4th (fourth thread) of this posting , not incl=
uding this one,
the original. I'll go by the date and time of the post to figure who it g=
oes to. Hmm..
different time zones????   (But what other method could I use?)   Oh well=
, I'll do
my best.

I'll send it anywhere in the world so feel free to reply.  DON'T reply by=
 email
please. The request needs to be in public and besides I don't want clutte=
red email
so you're disqualified if you do it wrong.

This time I'll give away  MoEBIUS (C=3D64) ... used, still in the box, un=
tried by me.
Contains two disks, pamphlet, player ref card.

Maybe the winner can pay the postage but if you feel you can't, I'll pay =
it because
this is just for fun.  I'll mail it right away to the winner and notify e=
veryone here.

If this works OK, I'll do another right afterward.  If it makes everybody=
 mad, I'll
quit it.  No catch. Just for fun!

Jim Self
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From: [e-mail](R. T. Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Comm128D to PC
Date: 3 Jul 1996 20:22:19 GMT
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On Jun 30, 1996 15:44:40 in article <Comm128D to PC>,
'[e-mail] (Rolf-Herbert Peters)' wrote:=20
=20
>Who can help me? I need to tranfer text data saved on Commodore 128D dis=
k=20

>to PC. Is there any solution (software/hardware)?=20
=20
I'm sure someone will respond with a hardware hack or something about
Little Red Reader or Big Blue Reader...but I have a simple suggestion tha=
t
really works well, actually two suggestions.=20
=20
#1) If you have two phone lines, as most of us do nowadays, simply call o=
ne
with the other using a term for each.  Easiest is to dial with the PC, an=
d
type ATA from the term mode on the 128D.  You will be connected quickly a=
nd
efficiently.=20
=20
#2) Upload the text files to a local BBS.  You can even send them as E-Ma=
il
attachments addressed to yourself.  Then call the same BBS with your PC a=
nd
download them.  If you use XModem and the BBS supports it, it will even
translate from PETASCII to ASCII while downloading.=20
=20
Of course, there's always the harder ways.=20

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From: [e-mail](Wanderer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Problems with E-Mail
Date: 3 Jul 1996 20:29:17 GMT
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I do not remember the name or address of someone who was going to UPS me =
a
couple of books so that I can send him the money.  My ISP had problems wi=
th
their mail server and is installing a new one.  While this started going
on, I switched hard drives in my PC and my saved E-Mail decided to go AWO=
L.

=20
If the person I'm supposed to send this to is reading this message, pleas=
e
hold off for a day or two before sending me the information via E-Mail.  =
I
have not received E-Mail for 3 days and just found out today it is becaus=
e
my mail server is totally not functional.=20
=20
Regards,=20
=20
..Rich
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From: Phil Hoff <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: C64 archivers
Date: 3 Jul 1996 15:00:10 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jari Karppinen) wrote:
>Hello,
>

>can anyone tell me how to unpack files with extension .SFX ?
>It is supposed to be somekind of self extracting archive, right --- but=20
>how do I get it to extract itself?


Just load and run  it like it was a BASIC program.

>Also there were some LHA archives, which contained files with names
>like: 1!turbo, 2!turbo etc.=20
>
>How to unpack those? (What files are they anyway....?)
>I have also heard of zipcode... what might that be then?

This IS zipcode. See Chapter 6 of the Commodore FAQs on Jim Brain's home=20
page (plus other places) http://www.msen.com/~brain

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From: [e-mail] (Mr. Self Destruct)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
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Or even easier....

If you have one phone line:
1. Take it off the hook, wait for it start beeping.
Eventually it will stop and the line will go "dead"

2.  On one term program hit atdt123 or something
and on the other do ATA

Its worked for me so...

You have to wait for the line to go dead cause if not
one of those stupid operator messages comes on and throws you off.

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Krepela)
Subject: Re: fond c64 memories
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mike B. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Bernard Marx () wrote:
>: I've been waiting for someone to post something to this group that
>: didnt involve a pyramid scam or whatever!  I too have fond memories of
>: the old c-64.  My first ever computer.  I knew that thing inside out
 =20
 Uh, guys.... this is kind of a "GHOST" Newsgroup, in that it gets very
few posts. HOWEVER:
=20
 Hundreds of messages if not thousands get posted weekly to the ACTIVE
 COMMODORE 64 Newsgroup:     =20
       =20
                        comp.sys.cbm

 Check it out for nostalgia and CURRENT C-64 information. alt.c64 is dead.
=20
 ICEBREAKER/BDS

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From: [e-mail](R. T. Cunningham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: More 128D problems
Date: 3 Jul 1996 20:17:38 GMT
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On Jul 03, 1996 18:22:10 in article <More 128D problems>,
'[e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)' wrote:=20
=20
>BTW, I check with ?PEEK(65408) and my bread-box 64 has the same kernal =20
>rom revision as my 128D's 64 mode. So how come there's still software =20
>incompatibility??=20
=20
I did some checking.  It's not the 128D's ROMs causing the problem.  It's
the cheap 1571CR (sometimes called 1571D) within the 128D.  If you want t=
o
continue using the drive, get the JiffyDOS upgrade for both the drive and
the computer.  It costs about $60.00 so don't throw away the old chips ju=
st
in case you get another 128D later on to put the JiffyDOS chips into.=20
=20
This is what I did with my 128D (and my previous 128D) and it solved the
problems with the drives.
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From: Dennis Brew <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
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Can anyone tell me were I can get a SWIFTLINK OR COMMPORT UART cartridge=20
for a reasonable price?


If so please leave me e-mail my address is:

[e-mail]



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I am looking for a SWIFTLINK or COMMPORT UART cartridge for a reasonable=20
price.

If anybody knows were I can get one please e-mail me at address below.

[e-mail]

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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: More 128D problems
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To: Paul Allen Panks <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <4redoi$[e-mail]>

Paul, I think it boils down to this:
If the software was written for the 64 then its gonna work ok on the 64.
If the software is written for the 128 then the same is true for 128.
If the sofware is written for 64 mode using 128 basic or m/l then theres
a good chance it will not run properly on the 64 mode of the 128.
Even if you use the nice basic features of the 128 to write stuff for
use in 64 mode, then save the stuff as is, again problems when you run
it in 64 mode.  The line tokens in basic 7 arent gonna matchup with=20
the required ones for 64 mode.  This specially true if your using the
nice shortcuts directly in basic such as p(shifto) for poke etc etc.
So think about all that and you get the picture.  Also did you know
that some games that were written for 64modes will not run on a 128
or 128d even though it is properly shifted to 64 mode before trying
to run the game.  God what a windbag I am.
                 ***** kilroy *****


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Zip Drives
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Dallas Legan <[e-mail]> writes:
=20
>Anyone done anything with hooking up Iomega Zip Disk Drives
>up to CBM machines out there?
=20
=20
I use one everyday on my 128. The Zip drive requires a SCSI interface and
so I use the CMD-HD as the interface. With the Zip added to the system, i=
t
basically makes my CMD-HD 100 megs larger.
=20
-Maurice
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From: [e-mail](Wanderer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Zip Drives
Date: 4 Jul 1996 04:02:55 GMT
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Radioactive Warrior wrote:=20
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>A friend of mine couldn't get his to talk to the ZIP drive using a CMD=20
>hard drive interface but he has had many problems with the thing anyway=20
>- stuff like only being able to use SCSI hard drives that will format=20
>using 256 bytes per sector (contrast the 512 bytes/sector standard...)=20
>So it could be his interface (or him...) but I would be very interested=20
>in the details...=20
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Using a ZIP drive requires that you use the SCSI version first of all (I'=
m
sure you already knew that).  Second, the CMD HD should be set up with
maximum partitions already set up on it.  Then, the add drive program
should be used to add one ZIP disk.  After that, a bridge partition has t=
o
be made (foreign mode partition).  Note should be taken of the remaining
blocks free on the CMD HD before adding the ZIP drive. It should be less
than 256 (the minimum partition size).  When you create the bridge
partition, it needs to be a mere 256 blocks, but 512 would be a safer
number.  Once the add drive function has been completed, you can create
partitions on the ZIP disk just like it was part of the HD.  One caveat,
though.  Since the partition table resides in partition 0 on the CMD HD,
every ZIP disk has to be treated identically.  Every time you put in a ne=
w
ZIP disk, you have to format the partitions that it shows on the partitio=
n
table.=20
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Hope this makes a clearer understanding of how to use it.=20
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