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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:31:36 -0400, Perry Tryfonas=20
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>  hi there!
> This is another test!
Goodbye
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Subject: Re: 1570 Disk Drive.
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>>>>> "John" =3D=3D John J McGlinchey <[e-mail]> =
writes:

John> Several years ago I bought a second hand 1570 disk drive. I have
John> always used it as a 1541 and have never encountered any problems
John> with it. It's still use on my A64 emulator on my Amiga.

John> Does anyone know about any features it may have that the 1541
John> doesn't, I've never seen a manual for it.

it's basically a single-sided 1571, so it can handle a few mfm-formats
and the C128's fast serial and burst mode(?)...
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                  C++ - like C but with two trainers
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From: [e-mail] (Zotar)
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Subject: Re: Parser: $10 reward up to $15
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 17:29:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks) wrote:

>Well, I think that upping the money offered to $15 might{arise some=20
>interest in my search for a quick and efficient parser that accepts=20
>multiple commands (such as GET CHAIR AND THEN GO NORTH AND ENTER THE DOO=
R)

>Again,it must be written in BASIC. The winner, who writes the best parse=
r=20
>in the least amount of code will receive $15 from me.

Paul,

You should check out the book "COMPUTE's Guide to Adventure Games"
ISBN 0-942386-67-1.  It tells you everything you ever wanted wanted to
know about writing parsers and adventure games.  Gee, if I photocopy
the section on writing parsers and mail it to you do I get $15.00?
Hehe

Z


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From: [e-mail] (Zotar)
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Subject: Re: Problem with M.U.L.E.?
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[e-mail] (Matthew Spinks) wrote:

>Hi,

>Does anyone else have this problem?   When playing M.U.L.E. in beginner
>mode, the program goes into a loop when the ship comes back after six mo=
nths.
>Is this a known bug, or is there something wrong with my copy?   If it i=
s a
>bug, are there any fixes?

>Cheers,

>- Matthew.

Matthew,

I can't say if that is a bug or not because even tho I have played
hundreds of games of M.U.L.E. I have never played in beginner mode.
Why you ask?  Because the highest level is the only way to play
M.U.L.E.  Because only at the highest level does crystite come into
play and that is what the game is all about.  Try it at the highest
level and never look back.......

Z


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From: [e-mail] (Anders Carlsson  SdU)
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Subject: VIC20 programs for trade
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Hello dear VIC20 fans & users out there,

I would like to trade some programs with you if you have any. I know of
some ftp services already, but maybe some of you still have games at home
that I don't have.

Both tape, disk and cartridge games are of high interest. Of course it's
difficult to transfer it and send/receive email if you don't have a PC
etc plus any kind of cable for it. If you need help, you're welcome to
ask me how you should do it. I can also give you limited help how to
transfer certain kinds of games, i.e cartridges, multipart tape etc.

With best regards on success,

Anders Carlsson
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Neus)
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North Dallas Commodore User Group Meeting Announcement
(Dallas, Texas  USA)

Sorry about the extreme lateness of this message...

The North Dallas Commodore User Group (NDCUG) is a club devoted to all
"Classic" Commodore computers including PET, Commodore 64/128, and other
8-bit machines.  If you have a Classic Commodore and are looking for supp=
ort,
Commodore conversation, the latest news and developments, or are just=20
curious, please drop by.  Our next meeting is scheduled to meet at the Pl=
ano=20
Haggard Public Library on Tuesday July 2 in the library's meeting room at=
=20
7:30pm.

This month we will start a two or three part project on building a stereo=
 SID=20
cartridge.  If you don't know what this is, it is a cartridge containing =
a=20
SID chip that plugs into the expansion port.  Depending on the software y=
ou=20
use, you can use both chips in tandem to create 3 voice stereo effects or=
 6=20
voice mono sounds.

The usual club equipment will be there except this month the C128D will b=
e=20
traded for an IBM clone computer so we can do PCB CAD work.  Chances are =
good=20
an FD-4000, a 3.2MB floppy drive from CMD, will be there as well.  This m=
akes=20
the total equipment list this month is an SX64, CMD HD, FD-4000, and a PC=
=20
clone.  A bit different than normal but variety is the spice of life!

As always, feel free to bring your own equipment and/or software if the a=
bove=20
does not suit you.  Also bring your thoughts, questions, and your unique =
toys=20
to enlighten us.

The Plano Haggard Library is located at 2501 Coit Road, midway between Pa=
rk
and Parker in Plano.  It's phone number is [phone].  For further
information, please E-mail me at [e-mail], or call the=20
NDCUG support BBS, The Mars Den, at [phone].


Mike Neus
[e-mail]

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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: Searching spare-parts for C64
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:58:20 -1000
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Daniele wrote
On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, daniele righini wrote:
Where can we find parts ic chips etc for c64

Try Jameco Electronics email [e-mail]
                    web site http://www.jameco.com
Or easier yet fone them at [phone].  They have CBM chips still
available as well as lots of other goodies that can be used with CBM
stuff, like monochrome monitors, heavy duty power supplies formerly
used for other computers but easily modified for C64 or C128.
                     ***** kilroy *****


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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, daniele righini wrote:
> Anyone can say me how is possible to connect a C64 or C128 to inter-
> net for various services like FTP, E-MAIL, NEWSGROUPS and browsing
> WWW or GOPHER sites.

Get yourself one of these term programs "Dialogue" "Desterm" or=20
"Daves Term".  Get a 2400 baud modem or better such as Aprotek=20
minimodem C24.  (Much better if your get "Swiftlink" cable and=20
cartridge from CMD) plus a BOCA type modem with 28.8 Kbaud speed.
Then find a local server that offers "Shell" accounts and sign up.
After that its a slow steady process of learning how to use "PINE"=20
for your mail box, LYNX for your browsing thru the www, TIN for
reading some 3000 or more newsgroups. (I stick with comp.sys.cbm only).
                   ***** kilroy *****
Of course I assume you have a C128, otherwise if C64 then get Novaterm
9.5 or 9.6 for software, and the rest holds true.


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PRR
In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Maarten Ruigrok) wri=
tes:

>[e-mail] (Andre Fachat) wrote:

>>This is the announcement of "OS/A65", a 6502 CPU operating system
>>I wrote some time ago and which I now put on the Web. It is
>>copyrighted under the GNU public license.
>>Some of its features are:
>> - preemptive multitasking/multithreading
>how did you make it pre-emptive when the 6502 processor itself has no wa=
y to
>check for boundaries or anything (so called trap errors coming from the
>processor itself (in pc systems btw)).

Maybe you need to read the definition of pre-emptive again?
It seems like you are trying to refer to virtual memory but it
has no relation with pre-emptive multitasking!

>In what way can the operating system take
>back and control software running under it?.

Using a timer interrupt or an interrupt from an I/O device, for example.

>Maybe someone from microsoft could
>implement it in their own products ;-).

I don't think discussion of Microsoft products is relevant here.

Rob
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On 2 Jul 1996, Mr. X wrote:

> The Junk Yard ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I am looking for a Supersnapshot cartridge.
>=20
The Action Replay is superior to the SS V5!!!
               **** kilroy ****


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail].u=
k=20
says...
>
>[e-mail]:
>: Thanks to all for the replys (newsgroup and email).  Sounds like some =
cool
>: new things have come along for the C64/128s.  By the way, did any of t=
he
>: advances allow more than 16 colors to be displayed?
>
>Mike Neus:
>: Yes and no...
>
>: Yes, with some software trickery, you can display more than 16 colors.=
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>: Basically you alternate between two or more colors very rapidly, you g=
et
>: the effect of having more color at the expense of some mild flicker.
>
>Technical term:  Interlace

Actually it is not interlacing as most people think of the term.  I=20
personally think dithering is a better term and is also more commonly=20
accepted to refer to this type of process outside of the C64 community.  =
I=20
purposly did not say interlace because I personally think it is confusing=
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sokos mark ([e-mail]) wrote:
:=20
: Try formatting a blank disk. Yeah, it sounds silly, but I've seen copy
: protection that will seemingly screw up a disk drive, but is completely
: fixed by just formatting a disk. I'm assuming it has something to do wi=
th
: the head alignment, but I've never tried to trace down the problem so
: it's just a wild guess at this point.
:=20
: - Mark Sokos ([e-mail])=20
:   Electrical engineer, computer geek (er, programmer) in training,=20
:   no-talent bum musician (have bass, will travel), and perpetual studen=
t

I am glad you brought that one up, I forgot about it.=20
What happens is that some programs will write some=20
information out on track 36 or 37 for their copy
protection.  Since CBM only has 35 normal tracks the
disk drive head will be in the blank area of a normal
diskette.  Since the drive cannot find any sync marks
with track information, it get "confused" and starts
flashing the error light.  Either formatting ( as you
previously said) or initializing a diskette or
inserting the (correct) shipping head protecter back
into the drive should solve this particular problem.
By doing one of the above procedures it will force
the drive to do the "head bump" routine that will
bring the head back into the "normal" area...

Hope this helps,

=20
Phil Bunch   N0MFC

[e-mail]
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Andrew Freck wrote...=09

>Frankly, I'm happy that Gates ISN'T associated with the
>64... I never really thought of the 64 as being a Nerd's=20
>computer. Gates was much  happier with the number crunching=20
>"BOXES" such as the Altair, CPM, and  early IBMs... Thankfully,=20
>the 64 seems to be a favorite among the more creative, less=20
>NERDLY, types...

I wish Gates weren't....but didn't Microsoft write both Commodore=20
Basic V2 (for the VIC-20) and Commodore 64 Basic V2.0 ?

--=20
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Mondays 5pm on MNN Channel 16, Time Warner Cable of NYC=20
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Vanderwhite)
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Prices below do not include shipping. All prices are in US dollars.
On some items I have more than 1 but only listed once.=20
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On Super Graphix Gold the prices are minimum I will accept. They
will go to the highest offer at or over those prices.
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IEEE Interfaces:
1. Skyles IEEE for 64 w/docs.                        $45
2. BUSCARD II w/IEEE cable and docs.                 $25
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RS-232 Interfaces:
1. Omnitronix Deluxe w/docs                          $15
 =20
Printer Interfaces:
1. SUPER GRAPHIX GOLD in original box w/docs,=20
   Disk and Power Supply.                            $65
2. SUPER GRAPHIX GOLD w/docs, disk, power supply     $55
3. SUPER GRAPHIX Sr. w/docs, disk                    $30
4. Cardco +G interface w/docs                        $15
5. Cardco Super G interface w/docs                   $15
6. Grappler CD interface w/docs                      $15
 =20
Miscellaneous:
1. SWL Microlog Cart for hams.                       $10
2. Commodore 1200 Baud modem still sealed in box.    $10
3. 1520 plotter mechanisms complete                  $10
  =20
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Video Toaster for Amiga A3000.                     $500
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Looking for a RS 232 interface for commodore 64 or plans to build one.

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From: [e-mail] (Brett Tabke)
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 vm> The Project 64 etext of the Commodore 64 Programmer's
 vm> Reference Guide, first edition. Converted to etext by
 vm> Ville Muikkula. ...

 vm> I hope that this massive
 vm> project shows to the C=3D community that it is in a fact
 vm> possible for one man to convert a 500 page book to
 vm> ASCII text. One just have to be dedicated, believe that
 vm> it can be done and have the PATIENCE for it...
 vm> of free time. So, who's going to etext Inside Commodore
 vm> DOS?

Who has Gerald Nuefeld's email address?  I'd like to forward a copy
of the above message to him and visacorp.

Last time I looked there was a copyright notice on the inside
of the above mentioned books.
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From: [e-mail] (Josh Lubliner)
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I have some files that I need to transfer from my PC to my Commodore
64.  I have a serial cable that goes from DB25 to C64 user port (at
least I think it's the user port -- the one with the male edge
connector), but I don't have any software to go with it -- in fact, I
don't have any software at all (except the software to run the PROM
burner which is the entire reason for getting the files onto the C64
in the first place -- and that software is on a PROM!)

So, does anyone have any information on how to communicate with the
user port in C64 BASIC?  The best thing would be if you could send me
a source code listing of a program that would solve my problem; but a
description of such a program would do.  At the very least, I need the
addresses of the user port (i.e. how to set and read the various pins,
etc.), and I'm not really very familiar with serial communication
protocol, either, so any information on that would be helpful too.

E-mail replies greatly appreciated.
[e-mail]
or
[e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Maarten Ruigrok <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Andre Fachat) wrote:
>> - preemptive multitasking/multithreading
>how did you make it pre-emptive when the 6502 processor itself has no wa=
y to
>check for boundaries or anything (so called trap errors coming from the
>processor itself (in pc systems btw)). In what way can the operating sys=
tem
>take back and control software running under it?. Maybe someone from=20
>microsoft could implement it in their own products ;-).

Um, Timer Interrupts (IRQ).  They have been around for a long time.  I
personally have implemented them to implement multitasking in my VIC-20
and in my course-project Real-Time 486 multitasking OS.  It's not that
hard.  PC-industry OS developers just don't know what they're doing. :-)

Keep on Hackin'!

-Craig Bruce
[e-mail]
"Never underestimate the power of a simple tool."

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I have the following items available for sale:
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1 - C128 computer, power supply, cables, manuals, etc. $65.00+ shipping
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2 - C64 computers, power supply, cables, etc. 30.00 each + shipping
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1 - C1571 disk drive       35.00 + shipping

1 - C1541 disk drive       20.00 + shipping

1 - Grappler CD printer interface15.00

1 - Cardco printer interface       10.00

1 - Commodore 300 baud modem                            5.00

1 - Westridge 300 Baud modem 5.00

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              Software for C128


1 - Fleet System 4 Word processor / database program &manuals-$20.00

1 - Microsoft Muliplan spreadsheet program from Epyx & manual- 20.00

1 - Timeworks=92 Sideways printer utility &manual - 20.00

1 - Clone Machine - back-up / disk utility for C64 & manual - 10.00


          Software for C64

Copies of the following titles: Beachhead, Dateline, Flyer Fox,
Karateka,Sub-Logic Flight Simulator, Jet Simulator, F15 Strike
Eagle       15.00 for all

CP/M Software

I have a small collection of CP/M programs, mostly utilities like
Newsys, Imp,
Lsweep, Cat.lbr, Mex, etc. as well as some CP/M games - Adventure,
being one.
I=92m asking $20.00 for this collection. Let me know by e-mail if you
would want the complete listing of these disks.


    Serious inquires only. Please reply by e-mail. Thank you.
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Cotton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: GEOS and Apple LaserWriter IINT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

> So far I've been unsucessful in getting an Apple LaserWriter IINT to wo=
rk with
> GEOS. It's in Postscript mode, with RS232 at 9600 baud. My RS232 interf=
ace
> works fine (with a modem). I'm using a C64, GEOS v2 with the standard
> LaserWriter drivers. The data seems to be getting through according to =
a
tester
> I hooked up, but the LW isn't doing anything about it. The processing L=
ED
> doesn't blink as it should. Has anyone successfully used a IINT with GE=
OS, or
> is there some problem with its compatibility with the original Apple
> LaserWriter?

Try changing the speed to the lowest available baud rate first. Many of
the user port RS-232 interfaces can't handle speeds as high as 9600.


Doug Cotton
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)
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is currently editing the English language version of the manaul in
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Jim Brain wrote trivia $198:
Q -  COMAL, a programming language available for Commodore computers,
     was created by whom?
A -  Borge Christensen and Benedict Lofstedt, although Borge is
     given the most credit.

This is correct as written but of course there is more to the story.

Here are some excerpts form "The Story of COMAL told by Borge
Christensen", Comal Today issue 25, 1989.  First some quotes about
BASIC:

"It is in fact, not a computer language.  It is an offense to the human
mind."  - Benedict Lofstendt

"It might very well be that the good God has invented the computer.
But there is no doubt that his black majesty then came up with BASIC
shortly thereafter  in order to confuse peoples minds because that's
the way he preferes to operate."  - Borge Christensen

"As a programming language, BASIC is a cruel hoax."  - Alan Jones  (If
may allow my $.02 worth to stand with these esteemed fellows.)


Borge first defined the language in 1974.  The first version, COMAL 75
was written for the 16 bit Data General NOVA, by two bright young boys
that Borge taught to program.  Borge said:

"I had a problem with one of them.  He was a heavy drinker.  Now and
then he would go away, and we knew where he was.  But only at a
 could ertain time when he had had enough could we pick him up.  We
could not persuade him to come back again until he had taken so much.
He would then be very drunk.  And we needed him, as he was our expert
in debugging.  Danish beer can be quite heavy, quite strong.  We
poured coffee in him, and put him into a cold showwer.  Then he would
work for 24 hours.  It was just great."

For extra credit, who were Borge's two students?

In 1978 Borge defined a new improved version.  It was called COMAL 80
because it was not completed until 1980 and it ran on Z80 computer.
Morgens Kjar wrote Borge a critical letter about his definition of
COMAL 80.  Borge was impressed, "It was very good.  I adjusted my COMAL
according to what he advised me to do.  And then I asked him if he
might do ... He had intended to do an implementation for a computer
that wuldn't have a any chance of going anywhere.  I advised him not to
do that, but instead to go for the Commodore PET.  It was abviously a
very good computer."

"Morgens Kjaer made his version for Commodore, and this is the version
now known as 0.14.  After he did that, The UniComal group was set up
and then went on.  From then on I have not had much to do with it."

I started with 0.14 on the C64.  It only gave abot 10K free, and took a
long time to load with a stock 1541.  I instantly prefered it to BASIC
2.0.  I bought the COMAL 2.0 cartridge as soon as it was available.
Over the years there were small improvements in the disk loaded 0.14 to
give it more 2.0 like commands, more free memory, a software fast
loader, etc.  The last version was the Power Driver with about 15K free
and all this the commands and features except LOOP, packages, external
procedures, and the error handler.  A "compiler" is also available that
will free up even more RAM.  There is also a C128 cartridge, a CP/M
COMAL 2.10, and versions for IBM, Amega, Unix and many other platforms.
It is an international standardized language.  However IMHO, it is only
on the C64/128 where COMAL is the best language.  If only Commodore had
embraced COMAL the way they embraced GEOS...

It seems seems to me that Morgens Kjaer should be in the trivia answer
somehow.  Also, Len Lindsay deserves credit for promoting COMAL in the
USA and publishing Comal Today.  One of the best "features" of COMAL
was Comal Today and the quality and diversity of the people who
supported it.

[e-mail]

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Paul Allen Panks et. al. have been discusing writing an effective
parser in BASIC for adventure games.

I would suggest that you try the COMAL programming language.  It is
easy to learn and much easier to use than BASIC.  It also has
exceptionaly good string handling.  Comal Today #13, #14, and #23 disks
had COMAL 2.0 adventure games.

I also had an Adventur Creator (or Writer?) cartidge for the C64 that I
gave away a couple months ago.  You might want to look for one of
those.

[e-mail]

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In article <4r39hi$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Cris Berneburg) wrote:

> OK, it's finally done! The Commodore 64 Programmer's
> Reference Guide is now available to you as a Project 64
> electronic text.

Did you happen to notice the part in the book stating that it is
copyrighted and that electronic distribution without permission of the
copyright owner was illegal?

> Finally, you will be able to get it from Darren's second c64
> cd-rom as a part of the whole Project 64 collection, along
> with *tons* of classic c64 games, sid music, and utilities.

Great. More oopyright violations. And we wonder why C64 games don't sell.


Doug Cotton
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