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In article <4r6gku$[e-mail]>, [e-mail].a=
u=20
says...
>
>[e-mail] (Margie Weller) wrote:
>>Hi Jfenn,
>>
>> JJ> So the bottom line is I have about 100 HD disks in full use, and 1=
0
>> JJ> of the DD disks and have had no problems yet of any kind.
>>
>>Do you see any advantage to using HD disks instead of DD disks in the
>>1581 drive, other than easy availability?
>
>        Ooh, ooh, ooh, let me try (since I passed on apperently
>bogus info on the last one 8-)#
>        No, but isn't that enough?  See, if you successfully
>format the disk in the 1581 and then you reformat it in an HD
>drive, the HD drive (for some funny reason) thinks its and
>HD disk, and writes it with the HD level field, which the 1581
>has trouble erasing to write over, but your certain to write
>"1581 -> PC" on your 1581 disk ........

Bruce, your theory seems sound regarding HD disks...and given this I can =
see=20
why you would keep your disks separate.  But if you use DD disks like you=
r=20
supposed to, you will not have this problem.

The reason an HD drive writes at HD levels even on a DD formated disk is=20
because the drive identifies the disk, regardless of the format, as HD=20
because of the extra hole.  The extra write current is necessary for the=20
media, not for the HD format.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Neus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: 1581 HD or DD
Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:56:27 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,=20
[e-mail] says...
>
>Again I issue the challenge.  The argument goes on and on.
>1. Is it safe to format and use HD 3.5" disks in your 1581
>   (I say yes by all means)
>2. Both of my 1581's have the upgrade 72wd chip and have never
>   used anything other than HD disks since the prices tumbled down
>3. I was told by an "Engineer" that there could be problems doing this
>   in that the coating density or something like that on the HD disks
>   take greater head current to guarantee a good write to the disk.
>   And the 1581 current available is not sufficient to do the job.
>4. I rushed out bought 10 DD disks to see what happens if backup
>   my ramlink 8mb to those instead of the HD.
>5. Well I still am not convinced there is any difference in reliability
>   whether you use the HD or DD disks.  Some have said they did have
>   problems at times intermittently but werent sure if they had the
>   1772wd upgrade chip in their drive. =20
>6. Im not sure the upgrade chip has anything to do with it but dont
>   have a 1581 without it to check that out. =20
>
>So the bottom line is I have about 100 HD disks in full use, and 10
>of the DD disks and have had no problems yet of any kind.
>
>Any refutations!!!!  If so        what!!!.

I would say your disk collection speaks for itself.  If you are=20
successfully using 100 HD disks what better determination of reliability =
can=20
you have?  However, I am curious...why are you using HD disks?  I doubt t=
hey=20
are any better or posses any special characteristics that make them bette=
r=20
suited to DD data than DD disks.  Save your pennies.

The reason your friend says HD disks are unreliable in DD drives is becau=
se=20
HD disks require a slightly higher write current to write to the disks.  =
This=20
is a function of the magnetic media and has nothing to do with any coatin=
g. =20
Like any specification, there is an associated tolerance for both the dri=
ve=20
and media.

In other words, if your particular 1581 happens to be on the high side in=
=20
terms of DD write current, and the particular disks you are using are on =
the=20
low side for HD field strength to write a bit, the two tolerances will=20
overlap and you will be able to write to HD disks in a DD drive without a=
ny=20
problems.

However, the disks you are using will no doubt present a problem if other=
=20
1581 owners, whos drives may be "average", try to write to them.  You may=
=20
also find that a different brand of disk, again shifted more towards=20
"average" field strength requirements, will not function in your drive=20
either.  There are infact many people who report being unable to even for=
mat,=20
much less use, HD disks in a 1581.

So, your freind is correct, but not in the sence that your data is going =
to=20
magically go away.  The disks are unreliable in that you will not get=20
consistant results across a large population of 1581's and HD disks.  The=
y=20
will work for some, but not for others.  As long as you stick with your=20
particular 1581 and disk brand, you will likely not have any problems (un=
less=20
the disk formulation is changed).

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Neus)
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Subject: Re: 64/128 Prototyping Boards
Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:59:17 GMT
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In article <4qgttg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>
>Greetings.
>=20
>    After completing another expansion port project on my 128, I was
>horrified to discover that I have now used all of the prototyping boards=
 I
>had stocked.  The boards I have used are the discontinued Radio Shack
>276-192, with the card-edge cut down to just the right size.  Does anyon=
e
>know where I can get these boards with a card-edge with correct spacing
>and predrilled, 0.1" center holes coppered on the bottom side?

Try Digikey or Jameco.  Its been a while since I looked but both stocked =
C64=20
expansion prototype boards.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hunsinger)
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Subject: Re: 6510 vs 6502 (vs 8502)
Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:55:40 GMT
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In article [e-mail], Jouko Valta <[e-mail]> () write=
s:
>   Yep, except for the I/O port the 6502/6510/7501/8500/8502 are all the
>   same. Moreover, 6510, 7501 and 8500 only differ in the manufacturing
>   process used, but still provide identical operation.

Actually, the 6502 doesn't have the BE or ALE pins. This came as a rude s=
urprise
to me after I'd already designed a board. The 65SC02 has similar pins, th=
ough.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Jeff Hunsinger
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Neus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: C64 IO port amd memory map
Date: 1 Jul 1996 18:09:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,=20
[e-mail] says...
>
>Hello! I am interested in using my C64 as a controller and it involves t=
he
>IO port for which I don't have any pin-out and memory map info for it.
>
>I looked at public library for info but can't find any on C64 and IO
>interfacing. If you have any info for it, could you please email or post
>here?
>
>Thanks!
>Ador

If you told us which port you wanted to use, or if you don't know share y=
our=20
interfacing requirements, you would probably get a really good responce. =
=20
Your choices are:

User (modem) Port (a variety of interfaces to work with here, including 6=
526=20
parallel and serial, synthesized RS-232 (TTL), interupts)

Cassette Port (Good for high power requirements)

Serial Bus Port (Good if you need wired-or capability, but might interfea=
r=20
with any peripherals that happen to be plugged in here and I/O lines are=20
limited)

Expansion Port (Direct access to address/data buses, CPU control lines, a=
nd=20
all memory and I/O chips inside the computer.  Dangerous if you don't kno=
w=20
what your doing)

Joystick Port (Great for simple I/Os from the 6526)

Best general reference I can point you to are:


C64 Programmers Reference Guide:  Contains pin outs for all ports, 6526 d=
ata=20
sheets.

Mapping the C64:  Gives a good amount of detail on the ports and how to=20
program the 6526's.

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[e-mail] (Andre Fachat) wrote:


>This is the announcement of "OS/A65", a 6502 CPU operating system
>I wrote some time ago and which I now put on the Web. It is
>copyrighted under the GNU public license.
>Some of its features are:
> - preemptive multitasking/multithreading
how did you make it pre-emptive when the 6502 processor itself has no way=
 to
check for boundaries or anything (so called trap errors coming from the
processor itself (in pc systems btw)). In what way can the operating syst=
em take
back and control software running under it?. Maybe someone from microsoft=
 could
implement it in their own products ;-).

greetinx,
Maarten Ruigrok

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From: [e-mail] (Brett Tabke)
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Subject: Re: Assembler
Date: 1 Jul 1996 12:30:26 -0600
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Hi Onno;

 O> Are there good cross assemblers on the PC for the 6510 ?
 O> (novaterm is written in one ;-)

Not that I can find.  The ones that are out there, are compiled
'garbage.  They have weird directives, extremely slow, and some even
have nonstandard mnes.

On the 128 I run Karma Assembler 128 with source and destination
files from Ram Dos, and non of the cross assemblers can match the
assemblies times (even with a pentium).  And now that the SuperCPU
release is eminent, I can't think of a reason to even begin to port
code to a cross assembler. (IMHO)

Brett
Brett Tabke
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... "Daddy, what does FORMATTING DRIVE C mean?"
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Allen Panks)
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The biggest stumbling block, of course, might be coding it in BASIC. ML=20
is foreign to me, but if its speed and efficiency that I want, I suppose=20
a little BASIC loader wouldn't hurt either. ;)

Regards,

Paul Allen Panks

Now if I could just translate what I just said into code. ;)


--
--
"Chickens may lay eggs, but roosters wake you up in the morning. Nobody=20
pays them to do that. I do less work than that and I get paid. And I=20
don't like eggs anyhow. Ooh! Bacon!"

Homer Simpson, on subsidizing small-town agriculture.


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From: David Graham <[e-mail]>
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Subject: write apple2 disks
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 14:45:50 -0700
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Is there a program for the 128 or the C64 that will let you write=20
programs to a disk that can be read by an apple2c, something in prodos=20
preferably. Thanx
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:11:42 -1000
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On 1 Jul 1996, Adam Vardy wrote:

> I am wondering if it is possible to replace a key that was broken off t=
he=20
> keyboard?  Where the key was, all there is now is a round little=20

Sure its possible if you have an old spare keyboard to rob.  If your
talking about the 128 I have dont many myself, requires removing umteen
tiny screws on underside of the keyboard, unsoldering the connectors
to several keys such as the  "shiftlock" and "caps lock" before you can
take the backboard off the keyboard.  Have never had to fix the 64 key
board but would probably be similar to do.  Once the backplate is removed
then its easy to just remove the inserts that you see sticking out the
top which broke.  Be careful when unplugging the matrix wires that fit
in a rather tight socket and connect the keyboard matrix to the mother
board.  They tight and little difficult to dislodge, just take it easy
and pry it loose a wee bit at a time.
                   ***** kilroy *****


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From: [e-mail] (Jari Karppinen)
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Subject: C64 archivers
Date: 30 Jun 1996 15:38:18 GMT
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Hello,

Just a while ago I downloaded some classic games from
utopia.hacktic.nl to run with C64S v2.0, but it appears that most of=20
them were packed with c64 archives unknown to me...

Ok, lynxed files were easy since I have the Ult.Lynx 3, but=20
can anyone tell me how to unpack files with extension .SFX ?
It is supposed to be somekind of self extracting archive, right --- but=20
how do I get it to extract itself?

Also there were some LHA archives, which contained files with names
like: 1!turbo, 2!turbo etc.=20

How to unpack those? (What files are they anyway....?)
I have also heard of zipcode... what might that be then?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jari Karppinen <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail] (Gardus)
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Hello out there!
Is there anyone out there that can help me connect
a new sidchip to my c64, if I remember right it=B4s called=20
sid 8580?
I bought it about a month ago and replaced the old one and got...
dissapointed. The sound got messy with some high=20
freequenzy noice. Tunes made for old chip still sounded ok though.
I have a schematic diagram and know a bit about solding so if=20
You can tell me how it should be done i will probably fix it.
PLEASE HELP!
Long live the good old c64.

       Magnus Eriksson. =20
      =20
       Sweden

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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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On 28 Jun 1996, Andrew R. McInnis wrote:

> i recently got a commodore modem and everything i see to download
> is a .sfx or a .lha file
> whAt are these??
Andy that is a self disolving file.  It is a 128 mode file just load
it in 128 mode and run it.  It will dissolve itself and present you
with a dir of all the files or parts of the program that are needed.
(works just like the old 64 files that ended with  .sda)
                   ***** kilroy *****


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On 28 Jun 1996, Andrew R. McInnis wrote:

> hi
> i recently got a commodore modem and everything i see to download
> is a .sfx or a .lha file
> whAt are these?? how do i load these things.

Andy .sfx files are self disolving files that run in 128 mode.
Just load and run em and they dearc into the original files.
.lha  I think is lharc which is a utility that creates the .sfx
archived files.  You must have a 1750 reu on line to use the lharc.
                  ***** kilroy *****


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Bunch)
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NDBMST ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have an old C64, which, when opened, appears to be fine, but when is
: turned on, nothing happens. The screen turns black and will not run dri=
ve
: games, but cartirdges work. Any suggestions?? Disk drive is fine, has b=
een
: tested with a Vic-20.


Sounds to me like you might have a partially defective PLA chip...

Hope this helps,

=20
Phil Bunch   N0MFC

[e-mail]
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[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Tony Baca (?))
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Date: 1 Jul 1996 17:35:59 GMT
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Does anyone have a schematic for the comodore 1802 monitor? If it
is out of print, I would pay copying cost and postage for a copy. =20


_____
   /ony Baca     Hewlett Packard Co. Boise, Idaho      [e-mail]
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On 29 Jun 1996, Margie Weller wrote:
> Do you see any advantage to using HD disks instead of DD disks in the
> 1581 drive, other than easy availability?
>=20
Yes...............They are cheaper and easier to find!!!....
                    ***** kilroy *****



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I am looking for a Supersnapshot cartridge.

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From: John J McGlinchey <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Action Replay 5 help needed
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I just picked up an action replay 5 card and I didn't get any
: directions for it..
: Does anyone have an extra set of docs or can tell me exactly what this
: card will do..
: It even has 2 reset buttons on top and not sure exactly which one does
: what tricks...

Hi Jerry!

  The left button is called the FREEZE button. When you tap this you'll s=
ee
a menu of options that will allow you to make backups, save graphics and =
use
the Machine Language monitor etc.

  The right button is called the RESET button. Tap this you'll see the st=
art
up screen with four options.

   F1 - RESET Configure Memory
   ---------------------------

   Choosing F1 will take you to the normal BASIC screen but a byte value =
is
written to memory which makes backup compaction more efficient. Some
programs may fail to load because of this.


   F3 - RESET Normal Reset
   -----------------------

   If a program fails to load under a Configure Memory Reset choose this =
as
it make the cartridge "invisible" to the computer.

   F5 - UTILITIES
   --------------

   Just like hitting the FREEZE button.

   F7 - INSTALL FASTLOAD
   ---------------------

   With this you get BASIC again but gives lots of extras such single str=
oke
commands (F3 for the dir, F1 to load the first program on disk,
etc.),fastloader and extra BASIC commands.

  There is lots it can do and it definatly makes using the C64 much its b=
est
to explore from here any problems then mail me and I mail you the relavan=
t
sections from the manual.

Bye for now!

John


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From: delve <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CX2 update (somewhat) & TinyTalk, v2
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perhaps i spoke a bit soon with that earlier message.  The CX2=20
programming project has been changed, and new web pages should be up=20
in a week or two to reflect the changes.  CX2 is still moving (slowly)=20
ahead as an Object Oriented Operating System for our beloved Commies. =20
However, XI/O (my object technology) has been changed to nXIO=20
(networked XI/O basically).  XI/O was originally encompassing both how=20
the Objects were defined in the OS and how they communicated.  Now,=20
nXIO is the communication procedure that should allow Objective=20
Client/Server communications across a variety of platforms.  the=20
Physical state of objects in CX2 will now be known as CXOF (COMMIX=20
Object Format) and will allow Code & Data to be intermixed in a system=20
object (see the web pages for more on this), along with inheritance=20
and extendability.  The TinyTalk programming language project/idea is=20
also being renamed nXIOtee (pronounced like Anxiety).  nXIOtee is=20
planned to be an object oriented programming language based on the=20
nXIO structure, and for the building of nXIO objects.  A Small version=20
of this based in and on Python (see http://www.python.org/ for more on=20
this) should be available for Unix/CGI soon and you'll be able to try=20
nXIO objects on the web in the near future.  The cool thing about this=20
is that i should be able to put an nXIO based 64 on the net when i get=20
a TCP/IP stack working (hopefully), and you should be able to get=20
nXIO-created dynamic web pages made on a dear old commie!  let's get=20
that Ethernet project working boys, i want one (but i'm a louse with=20
hardware) :)  rock'n'roll, &c&c&c...-delve

CX2 home page: http://www.cynapses.com/ry/cx2/cx2home.html
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[e-mail]:
: Thanks to all for the replys (newsgroup and email).  Sounds like some c=
ool
: new things have come along for the C64/128s.  By the way, did any of th=
e
: advances allow more than 16 colors to be displayed?

Mike Neus:
: Yes and no...

: Yes, with some software trickery, you can display more than 16 colors. =
=20
: Basically you alternate between two or more colors very rapidly, you ge=
t
: the effect of having more color at the expense of some mild flicker.

Technical term:  Interlace

: No, in that this is very CPU and timing intesnsive, and as such appart
: from the demo coders and a few games, it seen has very little commercia=
l
: use.

Admittedly, it's not used much but simple colour interlacing is not all t=
hat
hard to do.  Just call this subroutine on a raster interrupt (at the top
of the frame) and see what I mean:

INC TIMER
LDA TIMER
AND #$01
TAX
LDA COLOURS,X
STA $D021

And add a data table called COLOURS containing the values $02 and $0B.

I make that less than 30 cycles.  The two colours, dark red and dark grey
are almost exactly the same luminance so when they are strobed they merge
into a new colour.  It flickers a bit but not much.  Try $0D and $07 as w=
ell.

Jason  =3D-)
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Subject: Re: Trilogic Expert Loader
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WaD:
: I was sniffing around for a good
: file-fastloader-menu-type-deal for my little brother's cartridgeless
: C64... I came across an (older?) version of the Trilogic Expert Loader
: and I like it quite a bit! - Especially the fact that it hides itself
: from the menu  if it's named "Boot" ... Anyway, I was wondering if anyo=
ne
: had anything BETTER in just a file loader...

Pontus:
: There is such a thing in the ActionReplay as well! I haven't compared t=
hem of
: course, but just to hint you of an alternative!

Of the two the Trilogic was faster but the AR was more stable.

I'll have to see if I can find it but the best one I've seen was the MMC
boot V6.  It was based on the Trilogic 0 blocks boot installer and the
Action Replay boot.  But the Mad Mekon debugged the thing so it didn't
crash when there was more than 26 files on the directory and sped the
disk speeder up!

Mat was one *serious* coder...  =3D-)

Jason  =3D-)
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Subject: Re: Implementing a TIME command in adventure games?
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Paul Allen Panks:
: What is the best way of going about doing a TIME function in an adventu=
re=20
: game, one that will help determine weather and how the passage of time=20
: affects the player (if its late in the summer, for example, thunder=20
: storms erupt frequently just before night or in the late=20
: afternoon...also, prices in the town store will be seasonal and the ite=
ms=20
: themselves will cahnge to reflect the climate...if its july you won't b=
e=20
: seeing a Fur coat or a breast plated (fur covered) armor)...that's=20
: December apparrel)

Most of the adventures I've played/written used a "one go takes X amount
of time" principle.  So if you walk from location A to location B it take=
s
X minutes/hours and the clock advances appropriately.

It's probably best to do it this way because otherwise you bias against
players who can't type that fast.  If you have to do two things within
a set time period some players may simply not be able to get the commands
in on time.

Jason  =3D-)
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Subject: FS: Commodre items
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Saturday, June 22, 1996

Commodore Items for Sale plus shipping

Commodore 64 Computer with power supply & cover..... $39
Commodore 1541 Disk Drive .......................... $29=20
NEC Color monitor model JC-1215MA................... $44
MPS801 Printer for Commodore...(two)................ $15 each
Okimate 20 Color Printer for Commodore.............. $39
Commodore 64 Basic Manual .......................... $ 4
Okidata 120 Printer Manual for Commodore Computers.. $ 2
Slik Stix Joy Stick for Commdre, Atari, Apple II etc $ 9=20
Ribbons for Okidata 80, 82A, 83, 92, 93 Color....... $ 5 each
   printers. Black and some colors. (8)
16 single sided double density disks................ $ 7
10 Nashua single sided double density disks......... $ 7
19 Single sided single density disks for............ $ 5
14 Double side double density disks for............. $ 5
....................................................
Commodore Software - diskette only unless noted differently
..........................................................
Diskette only $3 each
Diskette with docs $4 each
Diskette with box $5 each
..........................................................
Agent USA
America's Cup with docs      =20
Bank Street Writer in box with docs
Bank Street Writer
Beach Head with docs         =20
Commodore Vic-1541 Test Demo
Double Dragon in Box
Easy Working Writer          =20
Ghost Manor & Spikes Peak
Ghostbusters                 =20
Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom
Kane & Human Race            =20
L.A. Crackdown               =20
Navy Seal in Box             =20
Okimate 20 Demo Color Screen Print - (2)
Pocket Rockets in box with diskette
Sesame Street - Astro-Grover
Slam Dunk with docs
Solo Flight
Streetsurfer & Hollywood or Bust
Swat for C/64 Atari XL/130 XE
Spelliopter                  =20
The Last V8                  =20
Top Gun with docs
Typing Tutor - Word Invaders
Winnie The Pooh in 100 acre wood (Disney)
WordPro 3 Plus/64 in box with docs
Wheel of Fortune

$79 gets them all (commodore diskettes)
........................................................
    Shipping $3 each, add $1 for each additional.
    Except disk drives/computers/monitors $9 each
    Diskettes $2 total first 10 diskettes then $1 each 10

Gene Ehrich   P.O. Box 209   Marlton NJ   08053-0209

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SHIPPING INCLUDED - (Less $ for more than one. Lower 48 states).
$7 Each
Original disks / manuals
------------------------
The Pawn (Rainbird).
Test Drive 2 (includes Cal scenery, muscle car disks).
Wargame Construction Set (SSI - make your own wargames).
Racing Destruction Set (EA).
Empire "Wargame of the Century" (Interstel).
Team-mate integrated wp/ss/db (Tri-Micro. 64/128 versions. 128 ver is 80=20
column).
MACH5 fastlode cart.
Abacus books - Tricks and tips for the C64 / Graphics Book for the C64.

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I have a working Vic-20 computer with Data cassette drive=20
and the following Items:=20
All NEW "complete in original packaging"=20
6 cassette tapes are in each book.

Chemistry Book I    =20
History   Book I
Math      Book I
Math      Book II
Physics   Book I  =20

I have Manuals and Boxes for the Keyboard and cassette drive.
The Vic-20 has been fully tested & Works Excellent!

E-Mail me with offers

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In article
<[e-mail]>, Perry
Tryfonas <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  hi there!
what's up?



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