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- Submitted-by: jazz@hal.com (Jason Zions)
-
- mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu writes:
-
- >If I propose a new objection, then it is not known whether it will
- >reduce consensus or not. To presume that all the other balloters
- >would disagree with an objection because they don't happen to quote it
- >is wrong.
-
- That is seldom the basis for rejecting-due-to-reduced-consensus. Generally,
- contentious ballot objections cover old ground; that is, the objections that
- make people jump up and down are usually ones that they've been jumping up
- and down about in the working group for years. *Those* are the ones that get
- rejected most rapidly for reducing consensus, because direct experience
- within the group bears this out.
-
- In other cases, it is a feeling by the ballot reviewers, yes. The reason
- unresolved ballot objections *must* be published along with the response is
- to flush out any too-quickly-rejected objections. If in fact the objection
- does have ballot group consensus, this method delays the whole thing by one
- ballot round; if the objection is in fact not supported by the ballot group,
- then no delay is incurred and no extra work (due to incorporating the
- objection) is wasted. The process is somewhat conservative of volunteer
- bandwidth; after you've served as ballot reviewer or technical editor for a
- standard, you'll understand why.
-
- That's the reason I suggested you enlist support for your objection as early
- as possible; if you get a strong degree of support (i.e. consensus goes your
- way) then you don't incur the one-round delay in getting the change incor-
- porated. Pay now, or pay later; take your choice. But history shows that
- very rarely does ballot group consensus go in a direction different than
- that predicted in a ballot response.
-
- >So, my plea to such reviewers is that before you conclude "would
- >reduce consensus", please try and think of *technical* reasons for the
- >rejection, and, when you fail to find any, then don't pretend you know
- >whether it would reduce consensus or not--becuase you almost certainly
- >can have no clue, particularly in the early stages of ballotting.
-
- Before you make broad generalizations about what a group of ballot reviewers
- do or not have clues about, why don't you join a working group for the few
- years it takes to get a document ready, then join the ballot review team.
- *Then* tell me what those years of experience have provided in terms of
- understanding the document and the people voting on it.
-
- Jason Zions
-
- Volume-Number: Volume 34, Number 10
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