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- TELECOM Digest Wed, 18 Aug 93 23:09:30 CDT Volume 13 : Issue 590
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- Inside This Issue: Moderator: Patrick A. Townson
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- Re: Foreign Exchange Service (Jack Decker)
- Re: Foreign Exchange Service (William J. Earl)
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-
- From: ao944@yfn.ysu.edu (Jack Decker)
- Subject: Re: Foreign Exchange Service
- Date: 18 Aug 1993 18:32:20 GMT
- Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
-
-
- Warning: This message is LONG. I apologize in advance, but hope it
- contains enough useful suggestions to make up for the length.
-
- On Tue Aug 17 21:02:06 1993, kravitz@foxtail.com (Jody Kravitz) wrote:
-
- > I've been trying to find ways of reducing the phone costs for my
- > wife's business and have been getting the runaround from Pacific Bell.
-
- > My wife is a veterinarian and runs a mobile clinic from a specially
- > converted motor home. Most of her clients are from an a nearby
- > mountain community. That community has a #5ESS which is slaved off
- > the #5ESS switch in our home town.
-
- > Despite the proximity of the mountain town, incoming and outgoing
- > calls are expensive. The cost of a daytime call to (or from) the town
- > is $0.10 * (minutes+1). We had about $80.00 in calls to there last
- > month and the volume is increasing. Oddly, calls to (or from) another
- > (smaller) town in the same general direction, but further away, are
- > free.
-
- First, a general comment ... you have run into a problem that cries
- out for resolution in many areas of the country. Without going into a
- long diatribe, local calling areas in many part of the country are
- laid out in somewhat arbitrary and discriminatory patterns ...
- patterns that may have made perfect sense 40 or 50 years ago, but no
- longer do. I could write paragraphs about this but for now I will
- just say that one common example is that folks living in major
- metropolitan areas can often call anywhere within a 25-50 mile radius
- (it varies by area), while folks living in rural areas of the same
- state may be lucky if they can call into the nearest town without
- incurring a toll charge. My opinion has always been that it would be
- much fairer to give everyone local calls within a certain radius (say
- 20-30 miles, like the folks in the big cities get [Chicago excepted,
- of course]), no matter where they live within a state. One of the
- strengths that competitive local dialtone providers will have is that
- they won't have to follow the exchange boundaries of existing telcos.
- But, I digress ...
-
- > Since she has no "office", we terminated her business phone line in
- > our residence. That has worked well, but in order to appear more
- > "permanent" to her customers in the neighboring town, we recently
- > installed a "vanity" number (xxx-0500) in that town with remote call
- > forwarding to our regular business number. This saves the caller the
- > cost of calling our "old" business number, but in addition to the cost
- > of the service, each forwarded call costs us $0.10 * (minutes+1).
-
- Yup. Now let me first ask this. Have you checked the local calling
- areas to see if there is another exchange that is a "free" call from
- both the exchange in which the RCF number is installed, and your
- residence? If so, you could set up the Remote Call Forwarding in THAT
- exchange, your customers in the neighboring town could still call you
- for free, and you'd lose the per-minute charge. I'm assuming you've
- checked out this possibility already, but on the other hand, I'm
- amazed at how many people don't ... they just don't think about going
- through a third exchange (the shortest distance between two points may
- be a straight line, but in telephony that's NOT necessarily the least
- expensive route!).
-
- > I recently discovered that one of my neighbors has "foreign exchange
- > service" in their residence. This seemed like it might be a good
- > idea, so I placed several calls to Pacific Bell's residence and
- > business service offices. My first conversation was with a residence
- > service rep who seemed informed and helpful. My second call was to a
- > business rep who seemed to want to keep me uninformed. She left me so
- > angry I felt I was talking to Ernestine the operator in a Lily Tomlim
- > skit.
-
- I hate to sound like a broken record, but people should never, ever
- deal with "business office" personnel if you have a need that's the
- least bit unusual. The minute you realize that the person you're
- talking to either doesn't have a clue, or is being evasive, you need
- to ask to talk to a supervisor (and the supervisor's supervisor if
- necessary). The goal of the lowest level folks is often to answer
- your question (note I did NOT say "CORRECTLY answer your question) and
- get you off the line as quickly as possible.
-
- If you're REALLY getting the runaround, you might try saying to the
- supervisor that if you can't get a straight answer from the telco,
- you'll try forwarding your question via the Public Utilities
- Commission and see if THEY can get a straight answer, and request the
- supervisor's name so that you can put it in your letter in order to
- show that you did try to get the information through regular channels
- first. If you say something like that, the supervisor will generally
- kick you up to someone who can help you post haste ... but if not, a
- written request sent via the PUC will often get you ACCURATE
- information like nothing else will!
-
- Now, the sad fact is that in many areas untimed Foreign Exchange (FX)
- service is available only on a "grandfathered" basis ... that is, it's
- available only to existing customers, and then only as long as they
- remain at their current location. If they move, they lose it, or have
- to get the newer FX offering that charges a per-minute rate on both
- incoming and outgoing calls.
-
- There ARE ways around this, but you have to be pretty telecom-savvy
- and do a lot of digging. The first thing I'd check for is any
- intra-LATA toll calling plans that the telephone company doesn't want
- you to know about. The PUC may be able to help you find these, if
- they exist. For example, in Michigan, there is the Adjacent Exchange
- Toll Calling Plan (AETCP) that (for residential users only) provides
- UNLIMITED calling to all adjacent toll exchanges (those in your LATA
- only) for $15.00 per month. Since Michigan allows the unlimited
- option for residential lines only, it wouldn't help you much, but then
- you aren't in Michigan anyway. :-) My point, though, is that it's
- like pulling teeth to get many Michigan telcos to even tell you that
- the AETCP exists, and even if they do, they'll try to sell you on
- "Circle Calling" or some other MEASURED option instead. So you want
- to look for intra-LATA optional calling plans that are tariffed, but
- not widely advertised or promoted by the telcos.
-
- Failing that, let's go back to that FX line. Think about what it
- really is. It has (at least) two components: Provision of local dial
- tone (essentially a regular POTS line that could be terminated in the
- same exchange, if you had an office there, but isn't) and the line
- that extends your POTS line to another exchange (including any
- repeaters, amplifiers, etc.). If you let telco handle both components
- of this in a "bundled" offering (which is essentially what FX is),
- then they can hook up their meter (so to speak) and charge on a
- per-call basis. But now suppose that you order each component
- separately and YOU tie them together (preferably without telling
- telco, although as long as you're ordering tariffed services and not
- using them illegally, they really can't say much even if they find
- out).
-
- To give you an example: Suppose your wife works out a deal with one of
- her customers in the neighboring town ... preferably one that owns
- contiguous property that crosses the exchange boundary, if such
- exists. She gives the guy free annual immunizations for his horses or
- something like that, and he allows her to put some phone equipment in
- his basement (or even a dry part of his barn), and maybe erect a SMALL
- structure (a storage shed would probably do) on the other side of the
- property. If the property straddles an exchange boundary, you order a
- POTS line on each side of the boundary, (one terminating at the house
- and the other in the storage shed which would of course be on the
- other side of the boundary), and then you run a hunk of underground
- cable between the two, and use a WATS-extender type device (or even a
- simple two-line call forwarding device, if all you care about is
- incoming calls) to forward calls from one line to the other.
-
- If you can't get access to property straddling the exchange boundary
- (or if tariffs absolutely forbid having service from two different
- telcos on the same property, even if the property does straddle the
- boundary and even if the service would be in separate buildings), then
- your goal would be to get an UNmeasured line between your remote
- location (where your POTS line terminates in the adjacent town) and
- your office. There are several offerings that might be available:
-
- 1) A "dry" metallic pair, sometimes referred to as an "intercom" or
- "audio" circuit. You do NOT need a "conditioned" pair such as used
- for broadcast applications, but depending on the tariffs, that may be
- the only type of metallic circuit available. This would work only if
- the combined distance of your "dry" pair PLUS the loop serving your
- POTS line isn't too long to allow reliable operation (if is is, as I
- think it might be in your particular case, you might still be able to
- do it if you insert a "long loop extender" device into the loop). In
- this case, you'd simply cross-connect your POTS line to your metallic
- pair, stick a phone at the office, and keep your mouth shut about what
- you did!
-
- 2) An "Off-Premises Extension" (OPX) line. Strangely enough, in some
- areas you can get what is essentially an unmeasured FX line IF you
- also have a "real" phone in the serving exchange. In this case, the
- "real" phone is considered the primary line, and the line coming into
- your office would be considered an "Off-Premises Extension" of the
- first line. So, assuming you had a POTS line put into your customer's
- home in the neighboring exchange as suggested above, you would tell
- telco that you have opened an "office" in your customer's basement,
- and need an "Off-Premises Extension" of the phone line there that
- terminates in your real office (your home in this case). This is
- actually similar to what you'd be doing in number 1) above, except
- that telco would be more responsible for maintaining the quality of
- the line (also, the mileage charges MAY be different because in one
- case they'd be calculated from your customer's home to your office,
- while in the other case they'd probably be calculated from the
- telephone exchange building to your office).
-
- 3). A PBX Off-Premises Extension. Some telcos have gotten wise to the
- fact that a regular OPX line can be used as an FX line, so they have
- filed tariffs that say that even if there IS a phone in the serving
- exchange, if the OPX is in a distant exchange the ALL calls on the
- line (no matter which extension they originate from/are answered by)
- must be billed on a per-minute basis, similar to FX lines. This is a
- hard sell to the PUC's (since the phone located in the serving
- exchange might indeed be the primary business location), so tariffs
- differ from state to state. But there is another type of Off-Premises
- Extension, and that is an extension hanging off of a PBX. In this
- case telco gives you what is essentially the equivalent of a bare pair
- of wires and you are expected to connect one end to a PBX (which
- supplies dialtone) and the other end to a telephone instrument. Of
- course, if the PBX allows you to dial "9" and access an outside trunk
- at the remote location, and if the PBX just happens to be set to
- "night answer" and all incoming calls ring directly through to your
- extension ... well, you can see the problem telco would have determining
- if there were really a PBX hanging out there.
-
- Some folks do this and actually put a small PBX (one of the small
- Panasonic units or some such) out there ... there is no law that says
- you have to have more than one POTS business line coming into your
- PBX! But I've also heard of folks putting something like a dialer
- unit there (programming it to "eat" a leading "9" digit, so if a telco
- tech ever checks the line, sure enough, he'll have to dial a "9" to
- get an outside line) or just connecting the end that's supposed to be
- connected to the PBX right to a POTS line. The latter is probably a
- violation of telco tariffs, though. But a small PBX is cheap,
- particularly if you buy it on the used market (do you get Telecom Gear
- magazine? There are probably dozens of suppliers of used PBX's in
- there).
-
- > I have several unanswered questions:
-
- > Neither rep could explain to me how "engineering" computed the mileage
- > numbers for the "foreign exchange service" rates I was quoted. One of
- > the numbers was called "suburban mileage" and the other was something
- > like "distance between rate centers". The COs are 15+ air miles
- > apart, and my home is 19 air miles from the foreign CO. I was quoted
- > three "quarter-mile units of suburban mileage and 37 "quarter-mile
- > units between rate centers".
-
- Unfortunately, the mileage charges are something you cannot get around
- *UNLESS* you can somehow provide the link that straddles the exchange
- boundary yourself (which is why I suggested trying to find a property,
- possibly a large farm, that straddles the exchange boundary). Your
- state PUC should be able to give you both information on how the
- distance is computed, and the exact exchange boundaries for the
- exchanges in question (which would aid you in finding that large farm
- I spoke of). Actually, if you had given the exchange names, someone
- here that gets this data might have been able to give you the
- "official" mileage between CO's.
-
- > Can anyone define the true meanings of these terms for me ?
-
- The "surburban mileage" is the distance between your central office
- and your home (and if you use the scheme I mentioned above and can't
- supply the link crossing the exchange boundary yourself, there may
- also be "surburban mileage" at the other end ... this would probably be
- true in cases 1) or 3), but hopefully would not be the case if you
- went with number 2), because the OPX line could be cross-connected at
- the distant central office. The "distance between rate centers" is
- just a fancy way of saying "the TARIFFED distance between the serving
- central offices." That may or may not coincide with the actual
- physical location of the telephone exchange building (originally it
- would have when the exchange first came into existance, but if the
- exchange has been physically relocated since, the "rate center" would
- likely stay at the original location).
-
- When you say that you were quoted "three quarter-mile units of
- suburban mileage", that probably means that your office is about 3/4
- of a mile airline distance from your central office. If they quoted
- you "37 quarter-mile units between rate centers", that means they are
- figuring 9.25 airline miles between the original centers of the
- exchanges. Since the mileages you gave are quite different than that,
- I suspect that either you're a bit off on the true airline distances
- involved, or one or both of the exchanges has been moved, or the
- person giving you this information flat out gave you wrong information.
-
- That being the case, I would ask (again via the PUC if necessary in
- order to get a response) for a WRITTEN quotation on company letterhead
- for any service you plan to order, so that you avoid any nasty
- surprise after the circuits are installed (the old "I don't know who
- gave you THAT figure for the mileage, but it certainly isn't correct"
- trick!)
-
- > The business service rep said the location of the rate centers was
- > "proprietary". Can this be true ?
-
- They may be "proprietary" in the sense that the information is "owned"
- by the company for copyright purposes (and even that interpretation
- may be a bit of a stretch), but it's certainly not top-secret informa-
- tion. The PUC should be able to give you this information. If you
- had given the exchange names, readers with access to the V&H tapes
- could probably have given you this info as well.
-
- > The residence rep said that unmeasured (untimed) FX service was no
- > longer available. The per-call charges are the same as local measured
- > service. The #5ESS switches and the time-sensitivity leads me to
- > wonder about the implementation.
-
- Keep in mind that if you have mandatory measured service, there is no
- way around that. But in many areas, the telco charges on a per minute
- basis for both INCOMING and OUTGOING usage on an FX line, even though
- unlimited flat-rate service is still available to non-FX customers.
- The bottom line is that they don't like to lose toll revenue, so they
- have repriced FX in such a way to make it financially unattractive.
- So what you have to do is order something that is functionally
- equivalent to FX (or that will at least meet your needs), but that
- costs less, if at all possible.
-
- > Do they actually allocate a circuit (or subchannel on a T1)
- > permanently, or do they allocate on the fly? Gee, could I get a fast
- > busy from the local CO instead of remote dial-tone on a bad day?
-
- It depends on the type of service you have, the serving telco, etc.
- so I'll leave that question to those more knowledgeable about the
- inner working of the telco. The thing to keep in mind is that there
- will always be circuits available for untimed use (broadcasters,
- background music providers, alarm system companies and others that
- need a 24 hour per day connection use them) but the questions are "Can
- you afford one?" and "What equipment will you need to provide to give
- you the functional equivalent of an FX line?"
-
- > I assume that the real cost of providing service to residences and
- > businesses are the same. I further believe that business usage IS
- > rate sensitive.
-
- Actually, the vast majority of telco costs (particularly on calls
- within a local calling area) bear no relation at all to usage. The
- only time usage increases costs is when a telco has to add equipment
- to handle an increased volume of calls, and that is really a rare
- occurance on modern digital switches. This is even more true as fiber
- cable replaces copper, since you don't have to replace the cable to
- expand circuit capacity. Paradoxically, as usage-induced costs become
- a lesser percentage of telco costs, telcos have pushed harder and
- harder for usage-sensitive billing.
-
- The one kernal of truth in your statement is that businesses do tend
- to make calls during the heaviest usage periods, while residential
- customers (taken as a whole) tend to make more of their calls in the
- evening hours. Thus, if telco DOES have to add equipment to handle
- increased usage, it's most likely going to be driven to do so by the
- needs of business customers.
-
- > Is this assumption way off?
-
- > If not, why are residences given more incentives (through lower rates,
- > additional "plans", etc) to make more calls, yet businesses are not?
-
- Telco does whatever it can to maximize profits. The typical business
- knows that it HAS to make toll calls from time to time; it doesn't
- have the luxury of saying "We're not going to make any toll calls."
- But residential customers can and do avoid making toll calls because
- of the cost. What telco tries to do, then is come up with packages
- that will cause customers to actually spend MORE on toll than they
- normally would. For example, if an "average" customer normally makes
- only $3.00 of intraLATA toll calls a month, the telco might come up
- with a $5.00/month plan that would give the customer much more calling
- time. If they can get that extra $2.00/month, it really doesn't
- matter that much how many extra minute of usage it costs them, since
- the circuits are already there and generally aren't nearly fully
- loaded during the times that the calling plans are in effect.
-
- > The residence rep suggested that the coming Intra-Lata competition
- > would precipitate a variety of new, more competitive rates and
- > "packages". He also said that some "very short haul" Intra-Lata calls
- > would be "protected" from competition. He was pretty sure that calls
- > from our home town to the neighboring mountain town would be
- > "protected".
-
- > Why would/should any toll calls be protected from competition?
-
- It shouldn't, and if it were any other state I suggest that the rep
- (or whoever told him that) was doing some wishful thinking. But you
- are in California, and from what I've heard, the PUC out there doesn't
- always operate in the same way as any other PUC might (I'm trying to
- choose my words carefully so as to be chartible). In Michigan, all
- toll calls are open to competition, and Michigan Bell has offered some
- really attractive intra-LATA calling plans. Unfortunately, these
- aren't available to GTE customers, and for some reason Michigan Bell
- and GTE do not compete for intraLATA toll traffic in each others'
- territories, even though I believe they legally could.
-
- In my opinion, you're not going to see a lot of these phoney (pardon
- the pun) charges disappear until there is full competition for local
- phone service. I believe it is coming, and as far as I'm concerned,
- it can't come fast enough.
-
- Oh, one other thing. In your particular situation, I spoke of
- providing your own circuit across the exchange boundary, and using a
- couple of POTS lines and a WATS extender/call diverter/similar device.
- While I was thinking in terms of a physical cable (provided by you)
- crossing the boundary, keep in mind that if you are knowledgeable
- enough, you might be able to achieve something similar using a short
- range infrared link, or even short-haul microwave. Since you indicate
- that the community you're trying to link up with is on an adjacent
- mountain, it opens the possibility of using some line-of-sight form of
- communication. Without knowing the particulars of the nearby terrain,
- I can't say much more than that. The initial cost of microwave tends
- to be expensive; infrared is less so but has a much shorter range and
- is more susceptible to interruption by heavy rain, etc.
-
- I would encourage you to be creative, explore various options, and let
- us all know if you find something that works. I'd also encourage you
- to summarize any other helpful responses you may receive (I *hope*
- this one is helpful!). :-) I think this is a problem that is shared
- by many, many telephone users that live in places where the local
- calling areas appear to have been designed by Scrooge himself!
-
-
- Jack
-
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-
- From: wje@oak.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl)
- Subject: Re: Foreign Exchange Service
- Reply-To: wje@oak.esd.sgi.com (William J. Earl)
- Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 00:13:34 GMT
-
-
- In article <telecom13.586.10@eecs.nwu.edu>, kravitz@foxtail (Jody
- Kravitz) writes:
-
- > Neither rep could explain to me how "engineering" computed the mileage
- > numbers for the "foreign exchange service" rates I was quoted. One of
- > the numbers was called "suburban mileage" and the other was something
- > like "distance between rate centers". The COs are 15+ air miles
- > apart, and my home is 19 air miles from the foreign CO. I was quoted
- > three "quarter-mile units of suburban mileage and 37 "quarter-mile
- > units between rate centers".
-
- > Can anyone define the true meanings of these terms for me ?
-
- > The business service rep said the location of the rate centers was
- > "proprietary". Can this be true ?
-
- > The residence rep said that unmeasured (untimed) FX service was no
- > longer available. The per-call charges are the same as local measured
- > service. The #5ESS switches and the time-sensitivity leads me to
- > wonder about the implementation.
-
- I have unmeasured Residence Foreign Exchange Service, and have
- had it for at least seven or eight years. I am charged for 14 foreign
- exchange quarter miles and four quarter miles of suburban mileage.
- The former is the air mileage (3.5 miles) from my house (in the
- Boulder Creek exchange) to the exchange boundary for the foreign
- exchange (Los Altos). (I lucked out in that regard; most people would
- be further away.) I pay the same suburban mileage on my local phone;
- it simply represents how far beyond the basic service radius my house
- is from the local CO. (I am about seven air miles and eight wire
- miles from the CO.)
-
- > Do they actually allocate a circuit (or subchannel on a T1)
- > permanently, or do they allocate on the fly? Gee, could I get a fast
- > busy from the local CO instead of remote dial-tone on a bad day?
-
- My foreign exchange circuit is essentially a leased voice-grade
- line from my house to the Los Altos CO (via Boulder Creek, Santa Cruz,
- and Los Gatos). Sometimes a component goes out at one of the
- intermediate exchanges, and a repairman has to be dispatched to fix
- it, so I hear about the locations of various failures.
-
- > I assume that the real cost of providing service to residences and
- > businesses are the same. I further believe that business usage IS
- > rate sensitive.
-
- When I last inquired some years ago, business foreign exchange
- was always measured, just a regular business service was always
- measured. Now, of course, the local calling area usage rates are
- quite low (sometimes as low as $0.01 per minute), so the usage charge
- is not as high as it once was.
-
- > If not, why are residences given more incentives (through lower rates,
- > additional "plans", etc) to make more calls, yet businesses are not?
-
- The costs are of course identical, except for the possibility
- that a business line may be in use a greater fraction of the time,
- thereby tying up a larger fraction of the central office switch's
- capacity.
-
- > The residence rep suggested that the coming Intra-Lata competition
- > would precipitate a variety of new, more competitive rates and
- > "packages". He also said that some "very short haul" Intra-Lata calls
- > would be "protected" from competition. He was pretty sure that calls
- > from our home town to the neighboring mountain town would be
- > "protected".
-
- > Why would/should any toll calls be protected from competition?
-
- Charging business more to subsidize residence service is
- politically correct. With the growth of competition, political
- correctness is slowly giving way to economic reality.
-
-
- William J. Earl wje@esd.sgi.com
- Digital Sight and Sound Division 415-390-2128
- Mail Stop 1L-945 FAX 415-390-6159
- Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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