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========================================================================= (C) 1994 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== ************ Topic 30 Sun Jul 17, 1994 B.JENSEN1 [BJ] at 21:39 PDT Sub: ExtenDOS Discussion of ExtenDOS (CD ROM Software) from Anodyne Software 202 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 1 Thu Sep 01, 1994 FALCONER at 19:56 PDT Hi, Everybody..... :0 I wanted to take this time to point out something to those folks who are just now considering getting into a CD-ROM unit, and are intending to do so using ExtenDOS. While I myself find this to be a most ex- -cellent program, it unfortunately does have a limitation. The ffollow- -ing information is for those people who DO NOT AS YET have a CD-ROM unit: In Message #163 of this topic, Marlin refers to the fact that: ".....am not suggesting that an ORIGINAL ICD host adaptor works with ExtenDOS." Marlin is more than correct. For the last 2+ weeks, with the aid of some friends of mine, as well as with various set-ups and c config- -urations, we have discovered the following: 1) The program will work according to what Roger has stated in the accompanying manual-----that an ICD >AdSCSI< host adaptor is the preferent host, when connecting thru a DMA port. To further clarify, my friends and I have discovered (!) that only thease specific items work: ICD AdSCSI---ICD AdSCSI PLUS----The Link (I or II)----SUPRA host Note that these are specific for hook-up to the DMA slot. Granted, the Link will work with your ORIGINAL ICD host, but that really defeats the purpose of having this particular host, as you will >DEFINITELY< need one of the afore-mentioned in order to use your CD unit. 2) Roger and I have gone back and forth regarding this in e-mail, and while he has been the pillar of help in trying to get it to work, he has admitted to me prior that the program was checked against that which he had available to test it with (i.e., hosts he had at his place). As such, those of us with ORIGINAL and/or Advantage hosts by ICD are basically left out, save for enpending to upgrade. Roger informs me that this has to do with some kind of "ICD trick".\ As I know not what that is, I am left only knowing that my set-up wi ---will not work, UNLESS I acquire an NEWER host, or else have a Supra. 3) Roger has informed me tonite that he will be commenting on this in the Pro manual. While I myself have asked to see an advance peek of the specifics, I still felt the need to post this info here, in case there are others out there, with ORIGINAL hosts, who are con- -templating CD units. Product notwithstanding, it is better that everyone know this up front, BEFORE they go for it, rather than buy, and end up having to shell out more for something that they already have, but not total. I hopes this helps anyone who needs it. A little bumped, but upgrading anyway...... ***FALCONER*** ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 2 Sat Sep 03, 1994 G.IKEN [George @HACE] at 01:16 CDT Roger What is a SUN COMPATIBLE CD DRIVE? How does it differ from any other SCSI CD-ROM drive? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 3 Sat Sep 03, 1994 VORTEXT at 09:47 PDT Falconer, Re: your post and the ICD adapter point. Nice info but I'd simply like to point out that the need to upgrade should be no real matter. Let me make it clear that I am not arguing with your post or trying to be hostile in any way. It is good to point out that if someone has one of the older versions that they be completely aware of the fact they would need to upgrade their equipment in order to operate a CD-Rom drive. This should not however keep them from doing so. In the PC world they have needed to upgrade whole systems, several times. We get so cheep minded we fail to recognize this fact. If you want CD, spend the money, get the upgrade and continue to have fun. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 4 Sat Sep 03, 1994 R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 13:21 EDT > I bought the Bitstream 500 Font CD from Toad Computers -- they > do take credit cards, and they have a live person who answers their > 800 line. I too am getting tired of the other companies that are putting dead people on their order lines. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 5 Sat Sep 03, 1994 BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 18:32 EDT RE: dead people, he he. Compare to some live ones they may be more sen sible {grin}. ~~~~Brian ... Written on Saturday 03 September 1994 at 07:28 p.m. ADT ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 6 Sat Sep 03, 1994 FALCONER at 16:37 PDT Daniel: Mucho grats for your message; most all messages are welcome reading to ME!! :) Anyway.....yes, I am familiar with the PC end of continuous upgrading, having only recently done so with a Sound Blaster card (orignal did not do CD-ROM, either!!). At any rate, this message was an intend for some- -one considering, but working with fixed funds (as a lot of people in this platform appear to be!! :0 ). Glad you caught that part of why I ' posted the message. here's hoping that, while I have no intent to discourage anyone from Roger's product, as it is indeed not only one that fills a needed func- -tion, and does so SUPERBLY, it is my hope that they will be aware of what they will have to deal and work with, right from the start, and not have to go thru what >I< did. Again, thanks for the response. :) L8R!!! ***FALCONER*** P.S.---The only thing I can see keeping them from doing so, is their CASH FLOW. Again, refer to my remark of >FIXED< funds. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 7 Sat Sep 03, 1994 G.ZEPKA1 [Greg] at 20:30 EDT Bob, Can PageStream access the fonts directly form the CD? If so is it real slow? Thanks Greg ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 8 Sat Sep 03, 1994 D.ASHTON1 [Stargazer ] at 22:35 EDT Roger@Anodyn, I just ordered a Reno drive. When I receive it and my ExtenDOS, I'll pass the CDBENCH reading to you.....I'm in the process of reading 173 messages in this topic so you may have this inf already. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 9 Sat Sep 03, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 23:22 EDT G.IKEN, On some SUN workstations the CD-ROMs are made to read only 512 byte sectors instead of 2048 byte sectors. Before the Rock Ridge extensions to the ISO- 9660 there were too many limits to use ISO-9660 effectively on UNIX machines. So before that time they would just dump a hard disk to a CD which most use 512 bytes per sector. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 10 Sat Sep 03, 1994 B.WILLIS3 [Bill] at 23:24 EDT Greg, I've got PageStream set up to read the 500 BitStream fonts directly from the CD (a cheap NEC-25 single-speed unit). The process of installing the fonts into PageStream's font manager was glacially slow. But the normal use of the fonts is not much slower than using the fonts on the hard drive. It takes a split second longer to retrieve the data when you first use a font, but there are no noticeable delays after that. Loading the program seems to take no longer than before. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 11 Sun Sep 04, 1994 R.BEATTY3 [Buffalo Bob] at 00:28 PDT Greg, I have literally hundreds of fonts in my PageStream "suitcases" by directing them to the CD. I've _noticed_ no slowdown whatsoever. There may be a slight delay accessing the fonts from CD, but it hasn't been enough to make me notice. I'm using a doublespeed... there may be a more significant difference if you're using a single... Buffalo Bob P.S. I second Bill's comment regarding setting up the font suitcase. Point to the right folders and go to bed... ;-) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 12 Sun Sep 04, 1994 FALCONER at 00:59 PDT Hey There, All!!! :0 Are any of yu using this on an >>STE<<?? My buddy found a situation that, when he tries to go 3 directories deep, he gets >>NOTHING<<. Anybody have this happen, and if so, WHY?? Thanks in advance............FALCONER.......... ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 13 Sun Sep 04, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 05:23 EDT D.ASHTON1 - How much did you pay for the Reno? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 14 Sun Sep 04, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 10:02 EDT Falconer, It sounds like your friend may need to load UNI_BDDS (instead of UNIDRIVE) for that particular CD-ROM. Additional details would be helpful in a diagnosis (disk name, ExtenDOS version, etc.). Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 15 Sun Sep 04, 1994 D.ASHTON1 [Stargazer ] at 12:54 EDT Steve-J, I payed $285, plus shipping. And includes the drive, ac adapter, battery pack, carry case and a SCSI 2 cable. Now I just have to wait out this long holiday weekend to get it. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 16 Mon Sep 05, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 05:34 EDT D.ASHTON1 - Just checking -- Software Etc. charges $329.99 for the Reno and I could get one w/ my employee discount for $280 and I wanted to see how that compared to mail order places. Thanks! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 17 Mon Sep 05, 1994 D.ASHTON1 [Stargazer ] at 12:07 EDT Steve-J, Well...I glad it compares so well! :) There seems to be very little mark up on this unit. If you don't mind me asking, how is your discount calculated? Where I work I pay 10% above dealer cost. I ordered mine from Mid West Micro ($285), and J&R Music World sells it for $299. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 18 Mon Sep 05, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 21:08 EDT Marlin, Thanks for helping out re the Link and parity ... there's always lots to learn on these forums! Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 19 Mon Sep 05, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:33 EDT Rick, Yes, I have your check: your upgrade should go out this week. Glad to hear you're getting good use from ExtenDOS! George, Sun (the workstation vendor) distribute CD-ROM drives that, by default, address 512-byte sectors rather than the standard 2048-byte. This tends to confuse most other systems that expect 2048-byte sectors. Stargazer, Looking forward to your CDBENCH results from Reno. I'll post an updated list of measurements in a few weeks. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 20 Tue Sep 06, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 05:17 EDT D.ASHTON1 - It ranges from 0% discount (e.g. 3DO systems) to 30% discount (e.g. books/magazines). Most software and more 'regular' hardware (modems/etc.) are at a 10-15% discount. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 21 Wed Sep 07, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 20:01 EDT Well, now that we have the marvelous world of Photo CD's opened to us all with the glorious help of Anodyne Software and their latest version of ExtenDOS... guess what I found today? A full page ad on the back of Government Computer News... it seems that Corel has cut drstically their prices on all of their theme Photo CDs. They consist of 100 photos per CD at a cost of $14.95 each (not including taxes/s&h), what follows is a listing of what is and/or will be available: 1000 Sunrises & Sunsets 48000 Northern California 2000 Mountains of America 49000 Apes 3000 WW II Planes 50000 California Parks 4000 Porsche Racing 51000 Cactus Flowers 5000 Coasts 52000 Butterflies 6000 Wild Animals 53000 Mexico City 7000 Sailboats 54000 New Mexico 8000 Birds 55000 Korea 9000 Trees and Leaves 56000 Sacred Places 10000 Air Shows 57000 Old Singapore 11000 Patterns 58000 Guatamala 12000 Underwater Reefs 59000 Doors of San Francisco 13000 Flowers 60000 Skiing in Switzerland 13100 Flowers II 61000 Ski Scenes 14000 The Artic 62000 Windsurfing 15000 China & Tibet 63000 Commercial Construction 16000 Rural America 64000 Mexico 17000 Ireland 65000 Japan 18000 Western Canada 66000 Barnyard Animals 19000 Arizona Desert 67000 Greece 20000 Spirit of Buddah 68000 Caribbean 21000 Auto Racing 69000 Australia 22000 Bridges 70000 Hawks & Falcons 23000 People 71000 India 24000 Churches 72000 Christmas 25000 Food 73000 Firework Photos 26000 Lakes & Rivers 74000 The Big Apple (New York) 27000 Waterfalls 75000 Owls 28000 Fields 76000 Southeast Asia 29000 Exotic Cars 77000 African Antelope 30000 Egypt 78000 Finland 31000 Residential Interiors 79000 Italy 32000 Deserts 80000 Rajasthan, India 33000 Mayan & Aztec Ruins 81000 Thailand 34000 Aviation Photos 82000 San Francisco 35000 Insects 83000 Bali, Indonesia 35100 Insects II 84000 Roses 36000 New Zealand 85000 China 36100 New Zealand II 86000 Oregon 37000 Fighter Jets 87000 Reptiles and Amphibians 38000 American National Parks 88000 Czech Republic 39000 Death Valley 89000 Native American Ruins 40000 Fireworks 90000 Meso America 41000 North American Wildlife 91000 Fruits and Vegetables 42000 Predators 92000 Scotland 43000 Wildfowl 93000 Brazil 44000 Alaska 94000 Yellowstone 45000 Underwater Life 119000 Los Angeles 46000 Hawaii 122000 Israel 47000 Turkey 137000 Textures 47100 Turkey II I apologize for the long post, but I should also say that the price that was quoted above was from another firm, not Corel. For the $14.95 per CD price, just call 1-800-SOFTWARE. Considering our (ATARI FALCON) newfound capabilities with ExtenDOS, I just could not resist passing this info along!! Enjoy. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 22 Wed Sep 07, 1994 GREG at 21:53 CDT DMCANDREW: All the Corel Photo CD's can also be read on the NEC-25 also as they are written in 9660 rather than XA format. Photo Show Pro also has a Corel mode for reading them as if they were normal Kodak Photo CD discs. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 23 Wed Sep 07, 1994 VORTEXT at 21:37 PDT Falconer, No prob. I just wanted to help urge folks to splerge a bit and darn the torpedoes, full steam ahead! There aren't all that many CDs available for the Atari, but it does make certain applications much nicer to deal with. Mostly what we now have is access to photo work, clip art and font libraries. Sounds like mostly DTP stuff to me, a decidedly smaller Atari market. I do wish there was some way to get at some of them other really nice CDs. I've heard about this MOST reader, but I have no intention of dropping $375 on the CD to see if works. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 24 Thu Sep 08, 1994 FALCONER [FALCONER] at 00:50 PDT Agreed, Friend VORTEXT..........AGREED!! :) Yes, to expend that amount of funds with no real proofing that it will work right out of the casing would be considered gutsy. Unless of courcourse, you could >RETURN< the CD, or else try it in-house at the dealer's where you can buy it. I am fortunate in that I have a dealer who pretty much tries out everything that he brings into his store (take a >BIG< bow, Steve Kipker, of Steve's Software!! :0 ). This way, I know what I am am spending the BIG $$ on BEFOREHAND. Heck, he even goes so fair as to allow me HANDS-ON with most all that I am interested in, and has yet to ste ---steer me towards something that I would not get much use out of. And I do pride myself on being a >HEAVY DUTY< user of my Atari system(s)!! :) Like I said before, and will maintain continuously.........it seems a shame to have to expend MORE $$ for something that I already have, and have been using for some time, with no problem, only to have to change it out fo --- for a NEWER model. Had I of known this when I started out on this "adventure" into CD-ROM, I would not have been caught short, or else used up -- up so much time to get to the newer host. I look at it like I do my car; I have a 1968 Buick. It runs fine; it's not as good looking as it was when I first bought it, but hey, it does what I want from it---it runs, gives me no real problem, and gets me where i want to be, with little maintanence and --- and attention. The day it finally croaks, then I will go after something --- something else. Until then, why replace what does fine?? Also: if the replreplacement comes with new features, then it is a sign of its time of being manufactured. As time does not stand still, so also will manufactur- - ers not stand on the old. Anything that can make a GOOD product even more appealing, or EVEN MORE better, will always find someone interested (myself included). Thanks for your remarks, all the same!! Good solid feedback is ALWAYS welcome here on GEnie, yes?? :) To Everybody Who Reads This Topic: A question, please: I notice that in Message #189, Greg points out that the NEC-25 can read Corel Photo CD's. I would appreciate it greatly if someone would give me a briefing on what PHOTO CD is, how it works, what it does, by itself AND for us. I have sseen the words KODAK Photo CD several times, and only know that this is a process wherein one can transfer photos to a CD. I am certain there is more ---more to it than just this, and would appreciate any and all remarks from everybody who is MORE in the know about this than me. THANKS!!! 'Nuff said for tonite.......L8R!! ***FALCONER*** :0 ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 25 Thu Sep 08, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 03:53 EDT At least one of the Corel PhotoCD disks has a picture that will look familiar to those who've seen screenshots for KASUMI NINJA for the Jaguar -- the background with the natural rock arch was actually 'lifted' by HMS. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 26 Thu Sep 08, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 07:06 EDT VORTEXT, (Daniel) I bought Compton's M.O.S.T. Disk "Movies on TV and Videocassette" for $30 at MicroCenter and it works pretty well with the current version of the Atari M.O.S.T. driver. You can read reviews of any of the 19,000 or so movies included or cross reference via the 400 or so entries of persons involved in movies. The search feature doesn't work yet, but there's supposed to be an update out in the next two weeks. I think this is a software product we need to support as it is one of the few that allows us to access CD-ROM data via a database front end. There are also available text books on CD-ROM. I've got one called "Desktop Bookshop" that contains about 409 MB of text in both compressed and uncompressed forms. To quote the packaging, "Included are works by Plato, Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Aristotle, Walt Whitman, Edgar Allen Poe, Buddah, Lord Byron, Darwin, Martin Luther King, Kipling, Lincoln, Jack London, Plato (they must really like him), Jules Verne, Voltaire, Thoreau, H.G. Wells, Oscar Wilde, and many more. Hans Christian Andersen fairytales, Aesop's Fables, and Lewis Carroll adventures will delight the entire family. The works of Charles Dickens are here, along with Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, Silas Marner, and The King James Bible. A truely amazing collection! Researchers will appreciate the numerous treaties and international agreements, hundreds of legal forms, Supreme Court decisions, dozens of historical documents, dictionaries, census data, complete Internet RFCs, the CIA world factbook, and on and on." Using programs like MasterBrowse you can start reading a book and save a "bookmark" so you can easily pick it up again later. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 27 Thu Sep 08, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:02 EDT Sim, Not just the Falcon, BTW. I'm running EDOS on my TT and I am in heaven. Thanks for the list. I'll put it in the paper here. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 28 Thu Sep 08, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 19:08 PDT Sim Works good on my 520 Ste with 4 megs. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 29 Thu Sep 08, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 22:33 EDT Simulator, Thanks for the post! What may be of interest for many folks is that although the _photos_ (i.e. files) on the Corel CD are in photoCD format, the CD itself is NOT photoCD (i.e. XA mode). This means that any CD-ROM drive can be used to access them (with the appropriate application software like Photo Show etc). ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 30 Thu Sep 08, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 22:59 EDT Glad to be of service to y'all. I see it as small change for all the help that these RT's do for me! Catch you in the funnee papers. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 31 Thu Sep 08, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 23:13 EDT Vortext, I didn't see any $300 MOST disc. All the ones I have seen are well below $100, and canadian dollars at that. B. Grier's MOST driver is a premiere in accessing databases on CD normally reserved for users of the other platforms. The demo looks promising; I am confident the update will be perfectly functional. Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 32 Thu Sep 08, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:24 EDT FALCONER, Good question re photoCD! Briefly, photoCD is the following: 1. a special graphics file format which stores a number of versions of the same photo in different resolutions in the same file 2. a CD that is written in XA mode (different at a hardware level from the mode used for standard CD-ROMs), but using the ISO9660 file system format (the _same_ as standard CD-ROMs). These are usually produced by Kodak (or another photo finisher) from the roll of film (or slides) that you give them. Corel CDs of photos use the graphics file format but not the XA hardware mode; photoCDs from your photo finisher use both. Greg Kopchak is really the expert on this; I leave him to make any corrections or additions. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 33 Thu Sep 08, 1994 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 22:06 PDT FALCONER - Photo CD is indeed a medium where you can have your photos placed on a CD ROM. Developing charges are not too bad, about $25 for 2 rolls of film (48 shots). For this price you get one (count them, 1) CD ROM and a bunch of color prints not quite 2cm square as a visual index. One time I got my ROM in a cardboard tacky holder, another time it came in the regular jewl box. The advantage is that the photo info is now digital so you can use it with your computer. With photo show you can make a very nice slide show, even move it over to video tape to send to relatives. Now instead of viewing a second set of prints, they are viewing a TV show with your slides 19, 27, 35 inches diagonal (whatever the size of their TV is) and with a narration by you. This is an excellent way to bring the far away relatives up to date on what is happening in your life. Another advantage is you can make prints from the ROM, so in a way it is an archival storage device. Finally, and here is the good part, you can manipulate this digitized data with paint programs. You can touch up a smile, change the color of a coat or put yourself in a photo with Nixon. The possibilities are endless and limited only to your software and imagination. You and your family could be part of a video game or be a desktop background photo. Anything is possible. My 12 year old likes to use COMPO's studio convert to swap heads around and then print out the photos on the laser printer. She keeps asking me when I am going to upgrade to color! (:{ Grouch. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 34 Fri Sep 09, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 10:54 EDT Falconer, What Roger said. Also to expand on XA hardware mode. Basically you have several types of tracks on the CD and they have different formats. There is the Yellow Book standard (CD-ROM) and it defines a track type. This includes sub-header, sync and user data, etc. [ sub-header | sync | user data ] <--- track layout] It is based something like the above but not exactly the same. Then comes CD- ROM/XA (Sony/Philips/Microsoft) standard that defines the track somewhat differently from the Yellow book standard. Basically the number of bytes for sub-header, sync and user data is different. The XA standard is basically for compressed Audio (ADPCM), data and video picture data. Then there is the CD-Bridge format. This format is what Kodak's PhotoCD uses and it is built on top of CD-ROM/XA standard. It is modified slightly so it can work on CD-I machines as well. The main difference is the user data is only 2324 bytes compared to 2048 bytes in CD-ROM/XA (mode 2, form 1). The 2324 bytes is for CD-ROM/XA (mode 2, form 2). There is probably more details missing on the EDC (error detection code) and ECC (error correction code) but that is main issue. One can think of XA as an extension to the CD-ROM standard as well. So the now I will draw a diagram of the standards. [ CD-Audio (Red book) ] | [ CD-ROM (Yellow book) ] | (this is the CD-ROM, mode 2 branch) | [ CD-ROM/XA ] | [ CD-Bridge disc ] <= a example is Photo CD Then there is an issue of single-session and multi-session. But that is part of the Orange book specification. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 36 Fri Sep 09, 1994 VORTEXT at 22:18 PDT Lee B. Please tell me more about these CDs. I'm obviously in the dark here and would love to be enlightened. What are the CDs you refer to and where do you get them? I guess I don't quite know what this M.O.S.T. is. Any addition light would be helpful. I thought it was to help you get through Comptons Encyclopedia. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 37 Sat Sep 10, 1994 G.IKEN [George @HACE] at 01:30 CDT I'm trying to extend (ExtenDOS?) my capabilities with Aladdin....OK it's NOT exactly a question for this topic....but I've noticed a lot of you are copying all or part of an old message in your new message. Is this done through Aladdin...and if so, how? I just experimented and I can make the original message "active" by moving the mouse cursor up there and clicking on it...but nothing else works...ie no click and drag for block manipulation (that's from REPLY mode, where Aladdin opens up a REPLY message window on the bottom of the screen). ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 38 Sat Sep 10, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 04:49 EDT Ah, George, you're in the same boat I was in a few years back, until I found that we could quote from Aladdin's message-and-mail reading application. Here's Joe Meehan's tip on how to do it. There are several Aladdin tricks you need to know: 1) You can copy the whole original message by pressing [alt] C. 2) You can paste the original message using [alt] V 3) You can paste a quote (same as above with the ">"s by [alt] Q 4) You can copy a section from your reply (maybe part of the original message by highlighting it with the mouse (hold left button) and pressing [alt] C. 5) Paragraphs can be reformatted by using [alt] P. 6) [Alt] D delets a line or all highlighted text. It's a good idea to copy the ooriginal message, delete what you don't want to quote, reformat the remaining message (the lines may be too long if you skip this step, then highlight the text, do an [alt] C to copy; [alt] D to delete; then an [alt]Q to quote. It all works a lot faster than it sounds. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 39 Sat Sep 10, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 09:07 EDT Albert, So, does orange book come after this CD-Bridge you're talking about ? Daniel, Okay. The ultimate goal of the M.O.S.T. driver (as I understand it) is to allow access to Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia, but at the moment that is for a future time which may be a long way off. At this point the M.O.S.T. driver theoretically supports about eighteen disks that are in Compton's current catalog in the M.O.S.T. format. Compton's has about 100 titles in their Spring 1994 catalog, but only about 18 of them are in the M.O.S.T. format. For portability the M.O.S.T. format currently seems to support text, pictures, audio and video. Each title has check boxes on the back saying which of these features that particular title includes. For example, the "KGB/CIA World Factbook" includes only text and pictures (maps and charts) and the "Movies on TV and Videocassette" includes only text. Naturally the catalog doesn't detail which titles include which media. <sigh> The beauty of the M.O.S.T. format is that Compton's can produce one disk and one set of packaging and produce a title that can be used on Windows, Dos, Macintosh and the Sony Multimedia CD-ROM player. It's interesting that the catalog doesn't mention that the M.O.S.T. disks are usable on the Macintosh, but the label on the box does. And oh, by the way, there's this crazy man (Hi Brian!<grin>) who's supporting the M.O.S.T. format for the Atari ST, but you probably won't find this out from Compton's. Compton's seems to have taken the attitude that Brian is welcome to do this without their help. If he can figure out how to read their index files he'll have a better program, if he can't it's no skin off their nose. His current version supports seeing the table of contents, reading selected articles from it and reading the "cross reference section" as found in the "Movies" disk where you can look at an entry for an actor and get a list of movies which can be clicked on to see the review of each movie. This is hypertext. In a release to be coming out "real soon now" it should also support the pictures as found in the "KGB/CIA World Fact Book". (These tend to be small GIF pictures of line drawn maps and charts.) The important thing here is that this driver will give us the ability to access these hypertexts off CD-ROM and get the benefits of this information without having to go out and purchase a P.C. I bought the "Movies" disk at a Micro Center in Atlanta and I've seen both "The Doctor's Book of Home Remedies" and "The Pill Book" here in Macon (85 miles south of Atlanta) in an Office Depot store. Note that the M.O.S.T. driver requires ExtenDOS or a similar low-level CD-ROM driver in order to work. For fear of having a "long post" I won't detail the M.O.S.T. titles here, but could be convinced to do so later. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 40 Sat Sep 10, 1994 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 13:53 PDT Falconer, Oh yes, I forgot one important part of Photo CD. EACH and every picture is stored on the ROM 5 different times. That's right, you get five (count 'em, 5!) different photo resolutions with each picture. This means that with the right software you can display everything from a corner screen snapshot to a wall poster. If you ever saw Harrison Ford in BLADE RUNNER perhaps you remember an important scene where he is viewing a photograph and keeps having his computer zoom in and enlarge a portion of it until he uncovers a major clue. Well, with Photo CD it is possible to emulate this effect. So, even though you can only get a maximum of about 100 photos on a photo CD, you really have 500 pictures counting all the resolutions available. (:{ Grouch. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 41 Sat Sep 10, 1994 FB [ST Librarian] at 23:40 EDT The number of photos on a Photo-CD also depends on if the folks sticking them on the CD can pack as many on as possible. I have my first disk that ended up with 117 photos in five sessions. ExtenDOS reads it just fine from my Apple PowerCD (single speed, Phillips). Fred ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 42 Sat Sep 10, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 23:47 EDT Lee, I'm not sure where the CD-Bridge format is defined. I assume it might be in one of Kodak or Philips specifications since PhotoCD is their standard. Or maybe in the Green book (the CDI standard). The Orange Book details with recordable CD standards. There is the CD-MO (compact disc-magnetic optical) which is part 1. And the CD-WO (compact disc write once) standard which deals with the single and multi-session issues. The Orange Book part two is the most talked about and used part of the book currently. Haven't heard too much about part I. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 43 Mon Sep 12, 1994 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 07:14 EDT >Oh yes, I forgot one important part of Photo CD. EACH and every picture is >stored on the ROM 5 different times. That's right, you get five (count 'em, >5!) different photo resolutions with each picture. This means that with the Grouch: Interesting you should mention this. Just the other day I was looking at the directory on a Corel Professional Photos CD and found that there was only one file for each of the pictures. There appeared to be nothing in hidden directory listings, and the file size of each pic was relatively small (4 MB if I recall correctly). This lead me to believe that the Corel disks do not feature all PhotoCD resolutions. Interestingly enough, I have found a couple CDs that have data in hidden directories that normally would be inaccessable. I'm unsure as to whether or not the PeeCee "install" routines would install these hidden files, but I'd say it's worth checking. MaxiFile shows the hidden files as greyed out entries in the listing. -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 44 Mon Sep 12, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 07:55 EDT Dave, From what I recall PhotoCD pictures are compressed in the file. If all the pictures were expanded to full size is around 18 to 25 megs if memory serves me correctly. If you have hidden directories that could indicate some problems when the disc was created. Sommetimes when the disc was first written there was a slight "glitch" during the writing phase. This can happen when the data being read from the source (usually a hard drive) can not keep up with the CD-Writer and so garbage is placed instead. If this occurs in the right place you can have a new disc you can use as a frisbee. <g> Another cause for "hidden" directories are discs that do follow the ISO-9660 format to the letter. Commodore CTV/CD-32 discs come to mind immediately, etc. Some discs were included specifically with certain drivers that can handle true ISO-9660 and extensions. One good example is having directories deeper than 8 levels deep. This MS-DOS limit was included in ISO-9660 and some CD-Writer software allows one to over-ride or ignore this limit of 8 levels. If the driver limits itself completely to ISO-9660 standard then these "extensions" will not be compatible. This is especially true of Unix ISO- 9660 discs since Unix does not have limits when it comes to depths of directories and most CD-Writer software allows the user/operator to override this "feature" on Unix machines. Another problem could be when the disc image is created on the source machine it could include non ISO-9660 compliant information. And since this is not always checked when the disc is created it can result in compatibility problems on many systems. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 46 Tue Sep 13, 1994 DMJ [dmj] at 19:39 CDT Dave, Albert: A single .PCD file can contain _all_ the different size images for a single photo. On most Photo CDs, that includes the following: 192 x 128 = 73728 bytes 384 x 256 = 294912 bytes 768 x 512 = 1179648 bytes 1536 x 1024 = 4718592 bytes 3072 x 2048 = 18874368 bytes -------- 25141248 bytes total, or 25M. Photo CD files are compressed, though, and most are 4-5 megabytes. (Corel disc .PCD files also include these five resolutions.) For more details, see Greg's post in CAT 4, TOP 19. Most PC programs that deal with Photo CD allow you to choose which size image to load. At the moment, Photo Show Pro only reads the 384x256 image, but that will be fixed in the new version. ~dmj ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 47 Thu Sep 15, 1994 G.IKEN [George @HACE] at 23:47 CDT Al Fasoldt Thanks Al, I'm trying your information out for the first time on an answer to YOU!!! "Here's Joe Meehan's tip on how to do it. There are several Aladdin tricks you need to know: 1) ...copy the whole original message by pressing [alt] C. 2) ...paste using [alt] V 3) ...paste a quote (same as above with the ">"s by [alt] Q 4) ...copy part of the original message by highlighting it with the mouse (hold left button) and pressing [alt] C. 5) ...reformat by using [alt] P. 6) [Alt] D to delete line or highlighted text." Initlally I figured you would enter REPLY mode and then do the copy (ALT C), but it only took a lack of response to put me back in the original message and do the ALT C copy there. I haven't done much with the clipboard before, but enough to recognize the "Saving to SCRAP.TXT" as being that process. Then entering REPLY mode, I did a paste from the clipboard with ALT V. As I said, I never did much with the Clipboard before, so that method of copying a message into the Aladdin REPLY screen would never have ocurred to me. I haven't quite figured out the quotes deal yet Thanks again, George ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 48 Fri Sep 16, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 08:05 EDT The only difference with the quotes is that if you had pressed [alt] Q instead of [alt] V in the above message the quoted section would have shown up with those > > characters down the left hand side. Looks like you got it right, George. Congrat's! Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 49 Sat Sep 17, 1994 A.VALENT [Mike] at 22:02 EDT I've always found those quotes from a previous message to be an irritating distraction. Don't know if they bother anyone else. It's easy enough to just begin with a sentence referencing the question or statement being replied to. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 50 Sat Sep 17, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:51 EDT George, The Aladdin quoting method is about as counter-intuitive as anything can be! But it does work. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 51 Sun Sep 18, 1994 DMJ [dmj] at 10:31 CDT Mike, - I've always found those quotes from a previous message to be - an irritating distraction. Well, that depends how they're done. For instance, here I quoted only the part of your message that I'm responding to, not the entire thing. I also didn't clip any sentences, and the quotes are reformatted so they don't look cluttered (IMNSHO ;-). In a high-volume message area, quoting helps to maintain the chain of messages. ~dmj ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 52 Sun Sep 18, 1994 D.TANG2 [Des] at 11:00 MDT I am on the brink of getting a CDROM drive. Two that are under consideration are: NEC CDR 84JD-1, and SONY CDU55S. Will these drives support multisession PhotoCD under Extendos? I believe they have hardware support for M-PCD (according to specs). Thanks. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 53 Sun Sep 18, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 14:05 EDT The 4x drives are looking good to price wise. The internal version of the Plexor called 4PLEX seems to be around $475 or so. Greg or Roger, Have you had a chance to play with the 4PLEX yet? In previous Texel/Plexor models that had problems with Photo CDs but have not heard anything about the new 4x mechs so far. -- Albert ps: Any comments on the new Toshiba 4x drive? I haven't seen any specs on it at all. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 54 Sun Sep 18, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 15:37 EDT Roger, I received my copy of the Extendos Pro v2.0 yesterday! Looks good. and sounds good too! Thank you ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 55 Sun Sep 18, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 16:12 EDT Mike, dito on what DMJ said. I'd rather read a quote than having to go back a few days and d/l posts to try and figure out what someone is refering too. John B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 56 Sun Sep 18, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 15:18 CDT Does Extendos work with Geneva? (please say yes!) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 57 Sun Sep 18, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:14 EDT I agree, Mike. Maybe we're from the old school, but preferring to read texts that read like texts instead of clipboard jottings just plain seems to be more civilized. :-) Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 58 Mon Sep 19, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:16 EDT D.TANG2, I'm not sure about the sub-versions, but I think both the Nec 84 and the Sony CDU55 will work with ExtenDOS. Also, if they're XA ready, then they'll handle PhotoCD. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 59 Mon Sep 19, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:21 EDT dmj, You are right -- but only if the responder does the quoting the way you did. We have all seen too many examples of 587 lines of quotation, followed by something like: "Yes, I agree." Argh! Des, I'm not sure what prices you have in mind for the 84JD-1 and CDU55S, but I thought I'd mention that the NEC 210 is selling for $199. It's an external SCSI, multi-session Photo CD-compatible drive, and even comes with a cable. It's double-speed. MacWarehouse has it. It also plays audio CDs. Spud, Not only does ExtenDOS work under Geneva, it works splendidly. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 60 Mon Sep 19, 1994 C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 18:46 CDT Or those messages that are 8 quotes or more deep... ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 61 Mon Sep 19, 1994 A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL] at 21:46 EDT AL: On several occasions you have mentioned the Nec 210 avail from Mac Warehouse. On two occasions I have called them but the sales people I talked to knew nothing of the animal. Once you called it an inhouse label for them if so what do they call the Nec210? AL P ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 62 Mon Sep 19, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 20:22 PDT Suzie and Al I call it the one for $199.00 double speed! You can't tell from the outside unless you read the instructions that it's an Nec. Did you ever get your shareware Cds happening? Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 63 Tue Sep 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:35 EDT Al P., Good point! The NEC 210 is MacWarehouse catalog number BND 0316. The catalog photo shows "Power User" as the brand name, but my drive and all the others of friends who have ordered it do not have a brand name on any area of the unit. The SCSI inquiry (built into ICD's software) provides the NEC 210 info, and a check with NEC confirms that it is indeed a 210, which is an OEM model sold to manufacturers who then put their own name on it. Apparently MacWarehouse has been selling so many that it hasn't had the time to put the brand on the pony, so to speak. It comes with a cable (tell them you want a STANDARD cable, not a Mac cable) and a terminator. Nice deal, since the cable is worth $8 to $20, and the terminator is $5 to $20 (!) at stores. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 64 Tue Sep 20, 1994 B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] at 23:27 EDT Al, Instead of advertising MACwarehouse, TOAD has the NEC CDR210 for $199 as well! Need to support our Atari specific dealers! <G> I just got one from them, still waiting for ExtenDOS Pro though, so I don't have any experience to report on the drive yet. Bud ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 65 Tue Sep 20, 1994 GREG at 22:49 CDT We had one of the Toad NEC-210's here a couple of weeks ago and it was great. It's on our highly suggested list and Toad's $199 is a good one for the drive. Bud, I tried the drive with the ExtenDOS Pro beta and it worked well. We just got our copies of the final version today and haven't installed it yet. The NEC-210 will do multi-session Photo CD very well with ExtenDOS Pro. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 66 Wed Sep 21, 1994 D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 01:38 PDT Roger or others: I have the ExtenDOS Pro and I am using the CDaudio program as an accessory(.ACC). While listening to a CD and working on with other programs, there seems to be things or keyspresses that make the player skip or start a new song or eject the CD or most of the time stop the CD from playing. I have suffle and repeat selected. Do I have conflicts or is this normal? My other programs I'm using are PageStream or Aladdin mostly. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 67 Wed Sep 21, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 04:45 EDT B.CONNOLLY1 - Yeah, but Toad doesn't offer overnight shipping at no additional cost! <grin> ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 68 Wed Sep 21, 1994 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 07:20 EDT Hi! Folks OK so where do I get a MacWarehouse catalog? Is it mail order or do they have store fronts? Phone #? KenO. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 69 Wed Sep 21, 1994 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 07:46 EDT Did I miss it? Was there a posting anywhere announcing the availability of ExtenDOS Pro and upgrade procedures? Could some please post specifics about this? Thanks! -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 70 Wed Sep 21, 1994 D.RENNER2 [HONDA] at 18:44 CDT Roger - Anodyne I believe someone here mentioned receiving/using Extendos Pro... is Pro now available? If so, what is pricing and/or, in my case, upgrade method and cost? Thanks for your help (great product!). Dennis Renner ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 71 Wed Sep 21, 1994 A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL] at 20:36 EDT >Instead of advertising MACwarehouse, TOAD has the NEC CDR210 for $199 as well! >Need to support our Atari specific dealers! I see no problem in supporting the Atari dealers, however if their products are at higher prices then I will shop around. The Toad $199 nec 210 is an internal version, and there is no mention of cables or terminators for their $279 external version. So the big question becomes is the $199 MacWarehouse drive the internal or external version? If it is the internal version then there is negligble difference in price and I will deal with Toad, however if it is the external version then there is a $100 dollar difference. Given that my Loyalty can be swayed for a Choclate Chip cookie, $100 can influence my decision. AL P ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 72 Wed Sep 21, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 23:19 EDT Al P. The MACwarehouse model everyone has been speaking about is an external model. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 73 Wed Sep 21, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:21 EDT Bud, Thanks for the tip on Toad! That's good news. BTW, last time I checked the price was NOT $199 but higher, so I'm glad to see that it came down. I'll stick to Toadifying my recommendations.... (I've been a Toad customer since the beginning. It's my "local dealer," and Sheldon is my dealer "just around the block." Luckily, my daughter, son-in-law and three grandchildren live a few miles from Toad, and I have friends a few miles from Computer Studio, so that's almost true. Both of them are a fur piece otherwise, as they say, from the middle of New York's heartland.) Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 74 Thu Sep 22, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:15 EDT Dave @ Binary Ink, Here's the ExtenDOS Pro announcement: Anodyne Software announces: ExtenDOS Pro: the complete CD solution -------------------------------------- Now you can have your data and audio too! With ExtenDOS Pro, you can play audio CDs as easily as you can access the data on CD-ROMs. Put a CD-ROM in your drive, and access it like a large removable hard disk, or pop in an audio CD and use the included program to turn your CD-ROM drive into an audio player. Audio support ------------- ExtenDOS Pro includes the following audio functions: . play/pause/stop/eject . track/index forward or back . skip forward or back . cd repeat/shuffle. These are provided through an interface visually similar to a standard audio CD player, with clearly-marked buttons and a complete time/track display. If you have more than one attached CD-ROM drive, you can control each of them individually from the same easy-to-use control panel. ExtenDOS Pro conforms to the proposed CD-ROM software interface standard, simplifying use of CD audio by third-party products. Further details are available on request from Anodyne Software at the address below. Data support ------------ ExtenDOS Pro also satisfies your CD-ROM data needs. You can access any ISO9660 or High Sierra format CD-ROM as if it were a removable hard disk, switch between supported disk formats without a reboot, and access files of any size. It even provides a built-in configurable cache facility to speed up data access. And with the right drive, ExtenDOS Pro supports single-session or multisession photoCD as well. Hardware requirements --------------------- ExtenDOS Pro requires a SCSI CD- ROM drive connected directly to a SCSI port, or connected to an ACSI port via an ICD AdSCSI (or equivalent) host adapter. ExtenDOS Pro runs on all TOS- based Atari systems, including the ST, STe, Mega, TT, and Falcon. Supported functions depend on the type of drive: Function Type of drive -------- ------------- read standard CD-ROMs Any read single-session photoCD Most current drives read multisession photoCD Selected drives, including the NEC 74-1/84-1 and the Toshiba 3401 audio control/play Any fully SCSI-2 compatible drive; selected SCSI-1 drives, including models from NEC and Sony For the latest information on supported drives, please contact Anodyne Software via GEnie (R.BURROWS1), or via the Internet (r.burrows1@genie.geis.com), or write to the address below. Availability ------------ ExtenDOS Pro will be available beginning 15th August 1994 at a suggested retail price of $39.95. Order from your local Atari dealer, or directly from: Anodyne Software 6 Cobbler Court Ottawa Ontario K1V 0B8 CANADA. If ordering direct, please make your payment by cheque or money order, in US$ for shipping to the U.S.A., in Canadian$ for shipping within Canada. Ontario residents please add 8% sales tax. Upgrades -------- Until 30th September, existing owners of ExtenDOS may upgrade to ExtenDOS Pro by sending the master diskette plus $10 (including shipping) to the above address. After that date, the upgrade cost will increase to $15. The upgrade includes a new manual. Please make your payment by cheque or money order, in US$ for shipping to the U.S.A., in Canadian$ for shipping within Canada. Ontario residents please add 8% sales tax. ----------- ---------------------------------------------------- Hope that helps! Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 75 Thu Sep 22, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 13:27 EDT KenO, Call MacW at 800 255-7227. The MacW version is an external drive. So you're right, Al P; that's a $100 difference in price, which is what I had thought all along. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 76 Thu Sep 22, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 18:53 CDT >Not only does ExtenDOS work under Geneva, it works splendidly. > >Al Great, I guess that CD ROM drive just got a little closer to being a reality for me! What hard drive software are you running with it? I have ICD Pro. Anyone, Are ya'll happy with your double speed drives? I am wondering if I should go for the economical double speed or wait for the faster drives to come down in price. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 77 Fri Sep 23, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 12:50 EDT Spud, I run ICD's software. But technically speaking, the CD-ROM drive is not even polled by the ICD software; I have it blocked out in the booter. ExtenDOS does the accessing. I'm very hapy with my double-speed drive. The cheapest decent-quality triple- speed drive is $200 more than the NEC 210 I have, and for *that* I could get a second NEC 210 (which I plan to do anyway ... why switch disks?). ExtenDOS will handle any number of CD-ROM drives, up to the system device limit. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 78 Fri Sep 23, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 18:36 EDT Spud Boy, Yopu could get a single spped drive now for $99 and get a triple (or faster) speed drive in the future, when prices are more affordable.. Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 79 Fri Sep 23, 1994 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 19:26 EDT Hi! Al- So OK I'll check MacW. however I saw a sony double, external drive at BEST BUY today. I did not copy down the mod numbers. I wonder if it will work with my falcon - the price is $198.89 cash & carry I can have it tonight. KenO. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 80 Sat Sep 24, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 00:27 EDT KenO., Make sure that Sony drive is a SCSI drive. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 81 Sat Sep 24, 1994 R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 01:26 EDT The test report I saw (in a Mac mag I believe) had a big speed increase in double speed drives over single speed, a smaller increase in going to triple speed, and little increase (and sometimes even a decrease) in speed with some of the quatra speed drives. Sounded like the best $/speed ratio was with the double with the triple speed getting better as thier price approches dble spped price. Ken, Most of the slighly under $200 double speed Sony drive you see arround are not SCSI drives. --Roger ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 82 Sat Sep 24, 1994 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 09:03 EDT Lee B.: Thanks for the repost on the ExtenDOS Pro upgrade. I guess it showed up while I was on vacation and I later missed it. Just in the nick of time! Thanks! -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 83 Sat Sep 24, 1994 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 11:06 EDT Hi! Thanks Roger I'll check out the Sony. Is access speed the only advantage of having a triple vs a double. I plan on using it mostly for Kodak CD roms. What type of cable to I need to connect to the Falcon? KenO. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 84 Sat Sep 24, 1994 GREG at 10:52 CDT KenO: At Falcon resolutions in true color the difference in access times between double and triple can be fractions of a second. If your working with 18 meg print files from Photo CD, you will then see a differnce in access times between triple and double. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 85 Sat Sep 24, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 14:47 EDT You know, Roger, I came across an IBM (sorry, guys) program that says it can read athe tracks of an audio CD and store them into a WAV file. Perhaps it might be an idea to do something like that for our platform?? Just a thought. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 86 Sat Sep 24, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 23:04 CDT Mike, > ...an irritating distraction. If you're reading through a long thread, yes. But if you read every third day or so, it adds continuity. DMJ, >I also didn't clip any sentences, ... Clipping isn't always harmful, IMNSHO. > ...and the quotes are reformatted so they don't look cluttered. I wish everyone would do that. To those asking, I published the ExtenDOS Pro announcement in the August issue of AUNT Bytes after getting it from someplace on GEnie in July. Spud, Computer Shopper's recently published test results showed that a triple-speed only had an average speed gain of @ 10% over a double-speed. John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 87 Sat Sep 24, 1994 GREG at 23:07 CDT Saw a message tonight on another service about problems hooking a CD rom drive to a PC. Someone had suggested that the user upload his AUTOEXEC and CONFIG files to track the problem down. This is what he sent........ Autoexec.bat LH /L:0 C:\SPEEDRV\SPEEDRV.EXE /INSTALL rem SET MACDISKDIR=C:\MACDISK @REM THE CHECK LINE BELOW PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SAFETY FOR STACKER DRIVES. @REM PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE IT. @C:\STACKER\CHECK /WP SET PCTOOLS=c:\cps\data LH /L:1,16944 C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /l:500 /f:5100 @ECHO OFF SET COMSPEC=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM SET PATH=C:\WIN;C:\WTOOLS;C:\DOS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\UTILS;C:\;C:\CO5;C:\WP60;C:\MACDISK; :\STACKER;C:\SFW;C:\MEDVSN PATH C:\FASTBACK;C:\PKWARE;C:\LHA;C:\ARC;C:\NU;C:\ARJ241;C:\ARCE%PATH% ;C:\STACKER; PATH=%PATH%;C:\SPEEDRV;C:\STACKER;C:\PORTSND;%PATH%;C:\STACKER; %PATH%;C:\PCMPLUS set FASTBACK=C:\FASTBACK set FBP_USER=Pierre Hourcade SET SYMANTEC=C:\SYMANTEC SET NU=C:\NU PROMPT $p$g SET MFILE=C:\UTILS SET TEMP=C:\DOS C:\SMARTDRV.EXE LH /L:3,6400 C:\DOS\DOSKEY REM ======================================================= Press <CR> for more: REM = run GETSTAT /QW to insure QuickPort mouse connected = REM ======================================================= rem GETSTAT /QW mouse=C:\utils LH /L:0 C:\utils\mouse.exe /Q LH /L:0;3,14048 /S C:\CPS\dprotect /SENTRY+ REM ================================================== REM = To run RPAL, remove the REM from the RPAL line = REM ================================================== REM RPAL /I GETSTAT /B IF ERRORLEVEL 1 VERIFY ON MPOWER OFF >NUL REM ================================================== REM = To run LM, remove the REM from the LM line and = REM = place a REM in front of WIN /3. = REM ================================================== REM LM C:\MACDISK\MACDISK REM (automatic disk doctor) C:\NU\NDD C:/Q C:\NU\IMAGE C: C:\UTILS\EXTMODES LH /L:2,3792 C:\UTILS\CLVESA C:\CPS\mirror c: d: SET DGSPEECH=C:\PORTSND UNDELETE /LOAD REM Added by SetBlaster on Fri Sep 09 19:19:00 1994 SET BLASTER=A220 I7 D1 T1 LH /L:3,40384 C:\SCSI\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD0 /L:E /M:12 win /3 Config.sys DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=D800-DBFF X=D000-DFFF BUFFERS=30 FILES=8 DOS=UMB DOS=HIGH LASTDRIVE=H FCBS=16,8 DEVICEHIGH /L:1,20544 =C:\SCSI\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D DEVICE=C:\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD0 DEVICEHIGH /L:1,12048 =C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE STACKS=9,256 SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /P /E:256 DEVICEHIGH /L:1,20064 =C:\UTILS\BATTERY.PRO [COMMON] DEVICE=C:\STACKER\DPMS.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:3,51888 =C:\STACKER\STACHIGH.SYS DEVICE=C:\MOUSE.SYS /Y DEVICEHIGH /L:3,64960 =C:\PLUGPLAY\DRIVERS\DOS\DWCFGMG.SYS /NOLOCK /FILE DEVICEHIGH /L:3,15328 =C:\PCMPLUS\PCMSS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS\PCMCS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS\PCMRMAN.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:3,23072 =C:\PCMPLUS\PCMSCD.EXE Wonder why he couldn't figure out what was going wrong :-> Makes you appreciate ExtenDOS or the XFS drivers. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 88 Sun Sep 25, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 00:27 EDT Greg, Are you sure you posted the entire config.sys file? <g> Simulator, There is a feature of newer SCSI CD-ROM drives called audio over SCSI. Basically it allows you to read the audio data over the SCSI bus rather than sending it out the audio outputs. You can write a program to save the data (audio) into a file for further processing or conversion. The Toshiba 3401 has this feature and so do some of the newer drives. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 89 Sun Sep 25, 1994 GREG at 00:58 CDT Albert: The SCSI Red Book to file transfer would allow a person to sample on a non- Falcon machine without a digital cartridge. It would also allow true digital editing as the D/A of the player and the A/D of the computer would be bypassed. I have a couple hybrid CD's now that have the Red Book audio tracks also listed in the directory of the CD in an AUDIO folder. ExtenDOS has been able to read these directories. I haven't tried to read them to the computer memory or copy to the HD. I'll have to give it a try. I would imagine on most Red Book audio tracks the copy protect flag has been set for the track. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 90 Sun Sep 25, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:33 EDT Greg, That was hilarious! It is a question of time before I jump on the CD Rom bandwagon. The title get more tempting every week. All, What is this Sarah business? I read a blurb on it. It is some application that makes certain file usable? Any info anyone? John B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 91 Sun Sep 25, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:26 EDT Dave@Binary Ink, Glad to be of service! Greg, Well, wasn't the problem obvious ? He's not using an Atari! <grin> Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 92 Sun Sep 25, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 09:12 EDT Greg, Thanks for the PC config. I think I'll quote it in the next column I wrote about why PCs do not make the best computers for CD-ROM enthusiasts. John B., This Sarah business? You talkin' 'bout my ex-wife? Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 93 Sun Sep 25, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 11:07 EDT Greg, Thanks for the update. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 94 Sun Sep 25, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 12:59 EDT Al, Sorry I was not more clear about Sara. Besides spelling it wrong! I d/l the TAF minutes. Here is a summary of what lead me to my question; > ".......Peter Zalesak's....... There is a tremendous amount of > inexpensive and valuable information on CD's. With ExtenDOS, > SARA (Search And Retrieval Atari - Peter's new search and retrieval > engine that will help you get at some of the tougher DOS and Windows > CD's)............." I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about SARA. John B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 95 Sun Sep 25, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 14:28 EDT Tanks, AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] I vill kip dat in mind. (Thought I'd keep going with that since the first typo.....) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 96 Mon Sep 26, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:13 EDT See Flat, No, I don't know about SARA, but I'd like to know more. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 97 Mon Sep 26, 1994 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 18:28 EDT Hi! Al - The number you gave me for MACwarehouse (800-255-7227) does not work in my area so I checked and the correct number for my area is 800-255-6227. Just in case someone else wants to call MAC. I ordered the $199 drive (SCSI with cable & terminater) today for delivery tomarrow. Fast service - we will see. I'll let you know how it all works out. KenO. :) BTW I ordered ExtDOS and ROMS and photoshow from Toad. But $100 price diff on the drive was 2 much. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 98 Mon Sep 26, 1994 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 18:50 PDT Roger: I purchased your ExtenDOS Pro today and I wanted to thank you again for a fine piece of programming. The audio module works flawlessly and it is a real pleasure to use. There is one curious quirk that I noticed as well with my previous CD audio program: whenever the .ACC window is open there is a periodic electronic "pop" noise (rather like a crack or scratch in 78rpm records...something you've most likely never experienced) whether there is or is not a disc in the drive, before and while music is on. Shutting the .ACC window ends the noise. No big deal, but I wondered if you might have any idea what causes it. I did not upgrade because my dealer needs all the sales he can get and in this modest price range, it worth far more to keep him going. I promise, really I do, to get the registration cards for both versions to you. Thanks again for supporting Atari computers (and may we one day be able to write those words to the Atari Corporation). Stan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 99 Mon Sep 26, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 22:06 EDT While I don't necessarily expect an off-topic answer... I, too, saw the SARA reference. It only serves to whet my enormous appetite. While I await Brian's fixed/upgrade to the M.O.S.T. driver, I consume all I can when it comes to CD- ROMs. ExtenDOS couldn't have come at a better time as far as I'm concerned. It has freed up a lot of my much needed hard drive space. But I can still use more....... Keep it up, guys! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 100 Mon Sep 26, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:21 EDT KenO, I owe you a favor! Thanks for correcting the number; I've put the corrected version in Cardfile. My typo! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 101 Mon Sep 26, 1994 GREG at 22:31 CDT Stan: The pop you are hearing is the CD drive being poled by the computer to get a current status for the disc player. Try moving your cables around to avoid the interference you are picking up through your audio cable. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 102 Tue Sep 27, 1994 L.TRAPANI [Lou @ ATP] at 01:55 EDT For what is worth, I noticed in the latest Damark catalog, they are selling a Magnavox external CD-ROM drive for only $69! It did not really list the specs, so I do not know if it is a SCSI unit or not. Nor do I know the speed (assuming it is single speed). It is the Magnavox MV-CDD462BK model. Damark: 1-800-827-6767 -= Lou =- ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 103 Tue Sep 27, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 11:22 EDT Most of the real cheap CD-ROM drives are AT-bus (PC specific) types and single speed. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 104 Tue Sep 27, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 14:11 EDT Stan, Are you trying to say that Roger's too young to know what that wonderful 78rpm sawitch-sawatch-sawitch-sawatch scratchiness sounds like? Ah, nostalgia ain't what it used to be! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 105 Tue Sep 27, 1994 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 18:15 EDT Hi! OK so I got the MACwarshouse CD rom. The cable that came with it does not match the back of the Falcon. The cable end is a 25 pin female. So did they send the wrong one (ordered a SCSI)? If I need another cable what do I ask for? Where do I get one (Radio Shack?)? Is there an adaptor to used the one that came with the rom? The software did not arrive from Toad so I am not ready to use the rom yet. KenO. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 106 Tue Sep 27, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 18:57 EDT See Flat, Peter demo'd the SARA program at the Sept. TAF meeting. It's an application to read the custom format of some IBM CD's. I forget the brand, but it's like the M.O.S.T. program. Perhaps someone here will know from this hint: I recall one of the disks he demo'd the program with was the 'Time Man of the Year' CD-Rom. You see, a lot of these 'informational' CD's simply have one giant text file with a second index file, and then a bunch of pictures that are called up as you read the text. SARA is a driver to interperate the index file and extract the appropriate section of text (plus pictures). It's still a little rough around the edges but Peter mentioned that he plans to release it as shareware when it's done. It should be a nice addition to ExtenDOS and the M.O.S.T. program. Peter doesn't have a GEnie account as far as I know, so if you need more information you can either ask Howard Carson (H.CARSON1 ... hey, he uploaded the press release) or Robert Boardman, TAF's secretary and Newsletter Editor, respectively. I can forward questions to the TAF BBS here in town, if you like, as well. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 107 Tue Sep 27, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:40 EDT I used to listen to Perry Como on 78s! I was very yong though. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 108 Tue Sep 27, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 21:05 EDT KenO, I don't know exactly what the back of the Falcon looks like but I was sure that it uses a SCSI-2 (50 pin condensed) to centronics. Something along the lines of a SUN unix workstation SCSI cable. -- Alber ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 109 Tue Sep 27, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 22:53 EDT KenO, You need a SCSI-2 to SCSI-1 cable, 50 pins at both ends. Most PeeCee computer stores should have it. You could even exchange yours. Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 110 Tue Sep 27, 1994 GREG at 23:43 CDT ARCHIVIST: I've left word with Howard but no response yet. If you can contact Peter or get a voice number for him, we would appreciate it. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 111 Wed Sep 28, 1994 GREG at 00:11 CDT L.TRAPANI: The Magnavox is a VERY slow CD rom drive. We had one hooked up to a PC here a couple of years ago and I believe it used a proprietary interface so it would be a "no go" for the Atari. KenO: You need a SCSI-2 connecting cable for your drive. They are a little harder to find than a SCSI cable. If you are going to get a custom cable done, just tell whoever is making it that you need to hook a CD rom drive to a Sun workstation. Works every time. I think most Atari dealers carry these ready made too. The SCSI-2 connector takes up less space on the back of a Falcon than a SCSI connector would. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 112 Wed Sep 28, 1994 GREG at 00:30 CDT KenO: Two more things about cables. Don't get too long a cable and make sure it is a well-shielded cable. Some CD rom drives have problems with random read errors when used with a cable longer than 4 or 5 foot or wrapped around a monitor. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 113 Wed Sep 28, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 01:35 EDT Charlie, thanks for the info. Sounds like more exciting news for CD users on this platform. It is getting harder and harder not to join the club of CD users. :-) John B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 114 Tue Sep 27, 1994 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 23:03 PDT Greg: Thanks for the explanation. I tried moving the lead from the Toshiba (emerging from the front and previously directed to the back and down among all the other cables to the input on the Falcon) so that is was completely in front and free of all other cables. Still had the pop plus a loud hum that wasn't there before. <sigh>. I returned it to its former position which reduced the hum some and I reduced it to inaudiblity with the Sound CPX. It's just too late to try a audio CD now. Al: and the sound of those shellacs 78 in free fall down the changer and wondering is today the day they chip? But one does not have to date back that far to feel antique. Recently took an open reel tape deck in for repair to the fanciest tech repair place in town, and the sweet young thing behind the counter said: "My God! What is that?" Then some more youngsters gathered around wide-eyed and said things like: "Hey, it's kind of cute." With each passing year I seem to age faster. See Flat: Yeah, but did you ever listen to Caruso on cylinders? Man, them was the days...................Stan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 115 Wed Sep 28, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:18 EDT Charlie, I recently bought the 5 foot 10 pack, thinking that the "world fact book" in it was the Compton's M.O.S.T. title "KGB/CIA World Fact Book" - it isn't! It did include the "Time Man of the Year" disk (could there be two of them?) so I'm very interested in SARA. If there's a demo available - and a press release - are they on GEnie ? Thanks for the info! Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 116 Wed Sep 28, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 12:04 EDT Lee B., as far as I know Peter isn't on GEnie. I'm not even sure if he has an Internet connection so that we could reach him by mail. I'll drop him a note on the local TAF BBS asking for info that I can pass along to all of you. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 117 Wed Sep 28, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 14:43 EDT Lou, That Magnavox drive is not a SCSI unit, from my recollection of seeing it listed previously. All, Toad and Sheldon both carry the right Falcon SCSI cables. Stan, Ah, open reel! I still have two good recorders, both working fine. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 118 Wed Sep 28, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 21:01 CDT I just got ExtenDOS and a NEC 210 drive from Toad. I really like having all of that stroage available. It only took me about 20 minutes to test and set up the whole shootin' match. Even thought the manual was small it had the answer to all of my questions in setting up the drive on my TT. However, I set the 'B' switch to 32 in the config files. Initially it was set to 12 and I was unable to go more than 3 folders deep in my CD ROM. If anyone else has this problem, change the B setting to a higher number. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 119 Wed Sep 28, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 21:33 CDT Al, Do you know of a good source for replacement Victrola needles? Good thing we don't have to hand crank CD-ROM drives! John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 120 Thu Sep 29, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 04:38 EDT K.OLSON10 - The Falcon030 has a SCSI-2 connector on it, so you'll have to either get a new cable or some adaptor. If you get a new cable, just make sure you don't get ripped off -- even some of the 'big' places try charging $50-$60 for them!!! SCSI-2 cables are a bit pricey, but you shouldn't pay much more than $10 more than a regular SCSI cable. Sheldon @ Computer STudio sells some at a fair price, but he MAY only have the 50-pin Centronics SCSI (male) to SCSI-2 (male) cables (what kind of connector does the CD-ROM drive have on it?). TO WHOMEVER BOUGHT THE RENO DRIVE - So, how well does it work? GREG - Most CD-ROM drives seem slow -- and if you're using one with Windows, DOUBLY SO! <grin> ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 121 Thu Sep 29, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:12 EDT Charlie, Thanks! Find out if he needs beta testers or if he's willing to do an early shareware release. Perhaps he'd let you put the SARA driver up on GEnie ? All, Geeze, I work with kids who don't remember glass milk bottles or when doing television in black & white wasn't an artistic statement, but a necessity. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 122 Thu Sep 29, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:44 EDT Thanks, Spud. I've had the same experience. If you have the memory, make the buffers large. Dal, Not off-hand. But I'll check. I even write about these things in a magazine distributed world wide, but I've lost track of the Victrola needles. :-) Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 123 Thu Sep 29, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 12:17 EDT Lee B., when Peter has a version ready for release I will most certainly see that it ends up in our library here. :-) Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 124 Fri Sep 30, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 00:03 EDT All, Just back from vacation & raring to go! Sorry for the resulting delay in responding, let's start catching up: Des, ExtenDOS supports the NEC 84-1 "out of the box". You may be able to get the Sony 555 working by twiddling an ExtenDOS parameter, but I don't have any experience of that particular drive. Albert, The kind folks at Plextor have just shipped me the manula for their 4plex drives. At a quick glance it's pretty SCSI-2 compliant, so will probably work by tweaking the D= parameter ... but in any case, I'll be adding support for it. Any beta test volunteers? The new Toshiba 3501 was just reviewed by a UK PC magazine ... they rated it as about 50% faster overall than the 3401. Specs: One-third stroke seek time 175ms Max transfer rate 1.8Mb/sec (burst) 600kb/sec (sustained) D.FARRINGTO1, I'm not sure about the problem with skipping or ejecting the CD. Please remind me what kind of drive you have. As far as stopping playing, you are probably experiencing a bug that I discovered yesterday. It was introduced at the last minute when fixing another problem (the programmer's favourite explanation). Selecting SHUFFLE and/or REPEAT on the accessory doesn't work properly once the accessory window is closed. I'll be posting a fix here as soon as possible. Lee, Thanks for reposting the announcements! Simulator, Your suggestion has been under consideration for a while! However, before anyone gets too excited, be aware that most CD-ROM drives don't provide support for what you want. A few do, including Toshiba and Sony. If anyone can point me to a file layout for .WAV files, I'd appreciate it ... Stan, Thanks for the kind words (the ones that suggested that I was too young to have heard a 78). Greg's suggestion re cables is a good one. Spud Boy, Sounds like you have ExtenDOS v1.20. Look for EDOS_121.LZH which upgrades it to v1.21 & should fix your problem without tweaking parameters. If you already have v1.21, please contact me again & we'll figure out what's wrong. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 125 Thu Sep 29, 1994 D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 23:53 PDT Roger: Welcome back. Vacation are wonderful. >D.FARRINGTO1, I'm not sure about the problem with skipping or >ejecting the CD. Please remind me what kind of drive you have. As >far as stopping playing, you are probably experiencing a bug that I >discovered yesterday. It was introduced at the last minute when >fixing another problem (the programmer's favourite explanation). >Selecting SHUFFLE and/or REPEAT on the accessory doesn't work >properly once the accessory window is closed. I'll be posting a fix >here as soon as possible. You "hit the nail on the head" with the as soon as you close the window while using the suffle and repeat. I found that all I need to do is open the CD AUDIO window and everything goes fine with repeat. As far as shuffle goes I stop using it. The CD would stop and wait for me to open the window. For the EJECT, I was using PAGESTREAM and moving a graphic from off the page to on to the page. Grabbed it with the hand and when I released it the CD came out. Funny :) I know you don't have PGS and I have only had it happen one more time. So it's not repeatable. Anyway, I have a TOSHIBA 3401. All the other features of the ACC works great. Thanks, it's great doing work and having quick access to my CD. Now maybe I need another one so I don't need to change disks for data access. :) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 126 Fri Sep 30, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:21 EDT Charlie, Thanks. I'm excited about being able to access these discs directly. Roger, No problem. As you know I'm excited about the possibilities that your software (and others) have brought to the Atari Community. Contact Damien Jones (DMJ here on GEnie), the author of Sound Lab. He can probably provide you with information on the .WAV format, if he's got the time <grin>. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 127 Fri Sep 30, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 13:27 EDT ROger, Thanks for the info on the Plexor 4PLEX and Toshiba 3501. The 4PLEX sounds like on the best 4X drives out there currently. The 1 meg cache would be very nice. The WAV file format should be documented very well somewhere. Porbably in the Microsoft RIFF (resource interchange file format) specification. There was a recent Dr. Dobbs Journal that discussed the WAV format too. Lee B. also mentioned DMJ has the format since his software can play it. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 128 Fri Sep 30, 1994 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 19:55 PDT Dal.I-Dotter: I know your question was directed to Al, but I'll forward what information I have. Part of the answer depends on what model Victrola you have. If you are looking for steel needles, we haven't seen anything available domestically for eons and they were only available in England, at least a few years back. The address: Expert Stylus Co., W.D. Hodgson, Proprietor, P.O. Box No.3, Ashtead, Surrey KT21 200 England The RECORD FINDER, P.O. Box 1047, Glen Allen, VA 23060-1047, (804 266-1154) lists styli (with built in noise reduction) of various sizes compatible with Stanton 500 & Pickering XV14 phono cartridges. These are diamond needles that last indefinitely and are (get ready) $75. Al may be able tp come up with more convient and less expensive sources. This information is provided for those users who may be away from their computers and unable to enjoy CDs as brought to them by Anondyne's excellent ExtenDOS Pro. Stan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 129 Fri Sep 30, 1994 D.TANG2 [Des] at 22:00 MDT Koloth, Al: Thanks for your reply to my CDROM drive query. I decided to order the CDU55S. When it comes in and I get it running, I'll post CDBENCHmarks for anyone who might be interested in the same drive. Meanwhile, I saw someone had posted a list of Corel PhotoCDs so I guess these photo collections work with Extendos; is that right? And, has anyone tried the CD/book of Corel's Annual competition to see if that works as well? des ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 130 Sat Oct 01, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:41 EDT Des, Yes, the Corel Photo-CD discs work with ExtenDOS and because they're ISO-9660 format, instead of _real_ Photo-CD format, you don't even need an XA compliant drive to use them. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 131 Sat Oct 01, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 12:52 EDT Stan, I like using ExtenDOS while listening to 78rpm records. So that lets me avoid the topicops and thank you for your needling. :-) Saved me the trouble of digging though my stuff here. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 132 Sat Oct 01, 1994 BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 13:24 EDT We are hear and watchin Al! [grin] ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 133 Sat Oct 01, 1994 B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] at 18:06 EDT Charlie, There is a Peter Zalesak at ABC Solutions. ABC.SOLN here on GEnie. Bud ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 134 Sat Oct 01, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 22:42 CDT >STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 04:38 EDT > >GREG - Most CD-ROM drives seem slow -- and if you're using one with Windows, >DOUBLY SO! <grin> >---------- > I got a double speed NEC drive and have been pleasantly surprised with how slow it wasn't! I have been very satisfied with the speed of the drive. Especially after hearing how thew were "slower than floppies." In fact, the only problem I have is Universal Item Selector doesn't display more than 400 files! (Luckily Geneva's file selector isn't similariyly handicapped.) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 135 Sat Oct 01, 1994 GREG at 23:14 CDT Spud Boy: CD Rom drives are much quicker than floppy drives. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 136 Sun Oct 02, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:07 EDT Spud Boy, The ST Informer people are talking about updating UIS III. I hope they take CD-ROM into account! One thing that I do to make searching for things on CD-ROM easier is I do a directory of each CD-ROM into a file. Then when I'm looking for something, I can search the file. The best method I've found to do this, unfortunately, involves a PC utility called WHEREIS. Using PC Whereis (on a PC naturally) you can get a listing of all files on the CD-ROM with the full path listed at the end of the same line that has the filename on it. That way you can use a GREP-like search utility to get a listing of the files you're interested in - each listed with their full path. We need an ST utility that will do a directory listing like this. (With the CDAR-504 I've learned a whole new world of slow <g>) Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 137 Sun Oct 02, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 11:14 EDT Spud, Likewise, Little Green Selector has a limit on the files it shows, too. I agree with you about the G selector; I's be lost without it when accessing my NEC CD-ROM. Al Lee, STree (remember it? <g>) will output its list to a file. :-) And you can create groups and save them under NeoDesk 4. Load a new CD-ROM, and use the group you created for that disk. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 138 Sun Oct 02, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 22:41 CDT Using the 36 mode & small font, UIS3 would display on a moniterm when it first came out, but when I told Cris Latham about it he said, "Wow, I don't have that many buffers allocated!" and crippled down version 3.2. John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 139 Mon Oct 03, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 07:19 EDT Al, I'll have to check the output from STree and see if it's what I want. The groups in Neo 4 sound neat. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 140 Tue Oct 04, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 18:17 PDT Roger, Still having problems with the Music CD player in PRO v 2.0 with my Toshiba XM- 3201B. The settings for the other Toshibas didn't work. Should I get you the file number (in the ST library) for CD Listen? Maybe it'll shed some light? Thanks, Dan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 141 Wed Oct 05, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 13:03 EDT Bud, you're quite correct. ABC.SOLN is indeed the Peter Z. I'm talking about. I was talking to him on Sunday and told him to come on in here. I'm sure he'll drop by soon. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 142 Wed Oct 05, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 21:25 EDT Charlie, Perhaps you could persuade peter to also drop by the 1st Graph BB on occasions? Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 143 Thu Oct 06, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 13:14 EDT I'll certainly mention it to him, Sanjay. It's unlikely I'll see him before the next TAF meeting on the 20th, though, so hopefully he'll be in here before then. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 144 Sat Oct 08, 1994 D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 02:15 PDT Dan: I'm not sure what problems you are having with your CD drive but this is a post Roger left for us the other day: >Atari-ST RoundTable >Category 2, Topic 30 >Message 124 Fri Sep 30, 1994 >R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 00:03 EDT >Albert, > The kind folks at Plextor have just shipped me the manula for their 4plex >drives. At a quick glance it's pretty SCSI-2 compliant, so will probably work >by tweaking the D= parameter ... but in any case, I'll be adding support for >it. Any beta test volunteers? > > The new Toshiba 3501 was just reviewed by a UK PC magazine ... they rated it >as about 50% faster overall than the 3401. Specs: > One-third stroke seek time 175ms > Max transfer rate 1.8Mb/sec (burst) > 600kb/sec (sustained) > >D.FARRINGTO1, > I'm not sure about the problem with skipping or ejecting the CD. Please >remind me what kind of drive you have. As far as stopping playing, you are >probably experiencing a bug that I discovered yesterday. It was introduced at >the last minute when fixing another problem (the programmer's favourite >explanation). Selecting SHUFFLE and/or REPEAT on the accessory doesn't work >properly once the accessory window is closed. I'll be posting a fix here as >soon as possible. Anyway, as you can read Roger is working on some of the software. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 145 Sat Oct 08, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 23:16 PDT Thanks, David. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 146 Sun Oct 09, 1994 J.KRZYSZTOW [JEFFREY] at 15:32 EDT Roger, I'd like to now if you received my upgrade for ExtenDOS Pro? I sent it on Sept. 26. and just wanted to make sure it arrived. Thanks, Jeffrey ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 147 Mon Oct 10, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 22:30 EDT ALL, If you have version 2.0 of ExtenDOS Pro, and are using the audio CD player, please download the EPRO_20A.LZH patch file (just uploaded) and apply the included patch. Owners of version 2.0A don't need this. Dan, The 3201 does not use the same audio commands as the later Toshibas. I will try to get info on the 3201 command set, but meanwhile you could try other values of D=. Let me know if you find one that works for you! Jeffrey, Yes, I received your upgrade order & it has been mailed out. It took longer than usual because I wanted to fix the outstanding problems in the audio player first. Regards, Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 148 Tue Oct 11, 1994 L.BUDNICK [Lorne] at 20:53 CDT Roger, Sorry if this is repetitious, but I would like to know what the current price is for the latest version of ExtenDOS Pro. I also would like to know if I could order that directly from you via EMail here on GEnie. Please let me know. Thanks, Lorne.... ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 149 Tue Oct 11, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 22:23 PDT Does anyone know if the Toshiba XM3201B Single speed drive is Photo CD compliant? I know it'll do MPC I, but that's no so important on the Atari's. Thanks, Dan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 150 Wed Oct 12, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 13:05 EDT Dan, I don't think the Toshiba 3201B is PhotoCD compliant. -- Albert @ AEO ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 151 Wed Oct 12, 1994 GREG at 21:47 CDT D.Phillips25: We have been playing with a MPEG player and a CD full on MPEG animations we got this week. It could be that double-speed may be more important in the future and MPC level 2 a minimum to look for. Just testing but a long way from done. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 152 Thu Oct 13, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:52 EDT Greg, How's the MPEG player look ? Is it Falcon dependent ? Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 153 Thu Oct 13, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:06 EDT To: GREG Can we see "done" from here? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 154 Thu Oct 13, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 22:52 EDT Greg: Are MPEG CD-ROMs widely available? Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 155 Thu Oct 13, 1994 GREG at 22:29 CDT TinTin: There have been several CD's of MPEG animations released and the format holds promise for the future. The player we tried worked well on the Falcon. As more MPEG boards are sold for the PC, the format will become more common. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 156 Fri Oct 14, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 20:25 EDT A reminder: 1stGuide shows MPEGs. Just install it as the app for the MPG extension and click on the file. It also shows JPGs, and of course texts, sound files, RSC files and morer. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 157 Fri Oct 14, 1994 GREG at 21:55 CDT Al: What is 1stGuide and where is it available? Have you compared it to other MPEG players available for the Atari line? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 158 Sat Oct 15, 1994 G.IKEN [George @HACE] at 18:01 CDT Greg, - We have been playing with a MPEG player and a CD full on MPEG animations I see you do have some MPEGs to work with. I have a CD_ROM called United Computers, that I was going to loan you if you didn't have any MPEGs (it has AMIGA, Mac, DOS, Windows, etc files, including MPEGs, QuickTime Movies, GIFs JPEGs, AVL sounds, etc) But I'll hang on to it instead (shouldn't be long, and I'll get me a CD drive .... the CD-ROMs are too dang big to slip into the 3.5" floppy .... easily that is). Did you get the MPEG viewer to work? George ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 159 Sat Oct 15, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 19:21 EDT Greg, 1stGuide (the latest version) is in the file list here, uploaded in the last fewe months. It runs as a PRG or an ACC and is the premiere German utility for viewing files of all kinds. The only competitor is 1stView, its junior brother. (1stView is much smaller and laods faster, but will not show JPG or MPEG files.) Insta;; 1stView in your Newdesk or NeoDesk desktop as the default vieweer, and life takes on an entirely different flavor. I could not work without the two of them. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 160 Sat Oct 15, 1994 D.RENNER2 [HONDA] at 22:32 CDT All, Just wanted to report that my newly aquired 2x CD-ROM drive works great with Extendos. Got the drive from MacWarehouse (item #BND0316) for $199 and was sort-of-expecting to get an NEC210 drive as had been previously reported here or in the other CD topic, but instead received a Toshiba XM4101TA (as listed upon bootup w/Extendos). Also works well with Audio CD Master (listening to the BLUES as I'm typing this). Can't report how it works with Extendos Pro because I haven't received it yet (hint hint). Anyway, its a nice unit with front controls, caddyless ejecting drawer, front mini-jacks for audio as well as RCA jacks in back and can reportedly be used as an audio-CD player independently, and SCSI in-out. Hopefully, this will also work well with Photo CD, which I do not have as yet, but is the main reason for this purchase. Would appreciate comments from anyone with experience with this unit, good or bad, and compatability with existing software, including Extendos Pro. Thanks Dennis Renner ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 161 Sun Oct 16, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 00:45 EDT Lorne, The list price for ExtenDOS Pro is $39.95 including S&H. Price is Cdn$ in Canada, US$ elsewhere (Ontario residents please add 8% PST). You can order by sending a cheque or money order to: Anodyne Software 6 Cobbler Court Ottawa Ontario K1V 0B8 Canada. Dan, I think that Albert is right. BTW, I'm still checking into audio support for the 3201 .... Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 162 Sun Oct 16, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 01:04 CDT Al, Don't tell me you haven't heard about DMJ's View2! I never knew my computer had a pegleg until I installed Damien's System graft. John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 163 Sun Oct 16, 1994 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 04:35 EDT Roger, I'll be sending an order for ExtenDOS Pro as soon as I get a CD drive lined up, so maybe you (and the other Canadians here) won't mind helping me out with this - ? I called a NEC dealer here in Sudbury to ask about the 210, and they said that's an old drive they don't carry any more; they have a 3XE for $730. Is that worth the extra expense (considering I could get the 210 from Toad for about half that!)? My impression from earlier messages is that the difference between double and triple speed isn't that great. (Especially since I only have a 4/4 meg TT and won't be using it for huge color graphics or animations.) If there's a dealer in the Ottawa (or Toronto) area you could recommend for a CD-ROM drive, let me know - in e-mail if you like. Thanks! gnox ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 164 Sun Oct 16, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:58 EDT George, 1stGuide (in the libs) shows MPEGs. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 165 Sun Oct 16, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:45 EDT Dennis, Sounds like MacW has run out of the NEC 210. The Tosh is a fine drive, too. John L., I'm a 1stView/1stGuide kind of guy. Does View II show formatted texts? Does it show a text in a GEM window that resizes itself just wide enough for the text? gnox, Ouch! Them's Canadian prices, I realize. $400 buys a triple-speed drive from MacW. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 166 Sun Oct 16, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 12:34 EDT Dennis, The ExtenDOS Pro is in the mail :-) Seriously, it was shipped around 5/October, so you ought to be seeing it very soon. The 4101 is a nice unit. It supports multi-session photoCD and audio playback just fine with Pro. All, I'll be out of town on a business trip for a week, so my apologies in advance if you need to get in touch with me before 24/Oct. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 167 Mon Oct 17, 1994 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 19:32 PDT R.BURROWS - Installed my ExtenDOS Pro and now can no longer access audio CD. What would be the most common cause of this problem. I just subed files into my old set up, swapping out old for new. Still works fine for accessing photo CD and getting file directory from CDs, just can't make the audio player work either as ACC or PRG. Seems to work but when the window comes up it has my drive specified as Z and I can't change it. When I click on play the little CD starts to spin, but the lights on my CD ROM do not flash and I get no sound. Do I start from scratch on the install, or is there an easy fix? (:{ Grouch. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 168 Mon Oct 17, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 20:55 PDT Grouch, Did you get the patch for CD Audio? Dan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 169 Tue Oct 18, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:09 EDT Grouch, You just missed Rodger. He said a day or two ago he'd be gone till the 24th. I'd suggest a full reinstallation as I'm not familiar with the audio features/setup. Good luck. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 170 Tue Oct 18, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 19:11 PDT Roger I got my Pro version today in the mail thanks; swapped the old for new and it worked. The busy light flashes all the time except when the Cd is playing. I assume that is normal. I'm listening to a Cd now. At first I got no sound but I forgot to turn on the amplifier that the Stereo out line was hooked up to. The Nec 210 doesn't seem to support software volume control but it has a front accesible control. John Mayall "Room to Move" wow haven't heard that in 20 years! What's next? I'm ready for my next upgrade! Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 171 Tue Oct 18, 1994 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 19:16 PDT Al: I was just browsing that mag "for serious record collectors", Fanfare, ...in search of new CDs to play with ExtenDOS pro... and strayed away from reviews, which I don't often do, and came across a article on "common sense" that discussed everything from Gershwin to Czech piano music to, of all things, R. Strauss' symphony in F minor ...all CDs that should sound great on the Falcon with ExtendoDOS pro... by one Al Fasoldt, who used to play a Steinway. Any relation? Surpringly, since he mentioned newer personal computers can record CD quality sound, he didn't slip in a mention of one we know very well in this capacity ...and that also handles audio CDs when used in conjunction with the excellent ExtenDOS Pro program. Now to check the back issues of Fanfare. my best Stan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 172 Tue Oct 18, 1994 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 19:56 PDT Dan - >Did you get the patch for CD Audio?< What patch? I just bought a whole new disk. Is there already a patch? I upgraded to the pro version. (:{ Grouch. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 173 Wed Oct 19, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:48 EDT Stan, This guy is a relative of mine, and I see him in the mirror every day. :-) He has written about our fave computers many times. He's been on the staff of Fanfare for about 12 years. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 174 Thu Oct 20, 1994 S.MCGEE2 [Sam] at 19:17 PDT I just received ED pro and the audio doesn't work. Nothing from the speaker, nothing from the audio output jack. All my sound CPX config ok. The disk spins and I can change tracks but no sound. Otherwise it reads disc data fine. Help. (tried D=20,21 - no go) Sam System: Falcon 4.04, 14MB, NEC 3Xp, ExtenDOS Pro 2.0A Oct. 5/94 ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 175 Sat Oct 22, 1994 D.TANG2 [Des] at 20:20 MDT Well, my Sony CDU-55S finally arrived. It took only 15 minutes to install it. If you're using the Link, parity has to be disabled. As I said, here are the CDBENCHmark figures for the drive: (all measurements approximate) Random Access: 250ms Full Stroke: 415ms Transfer Rate: 295Kb/sec BTW, does anyone know Sony's address? I didn't get a manual with the drive. Not that I need one but it would be nice to have. Also, delving into a MOD cdrom I have, UIS3 gave a "Buffer full" message. Only "400" items can be shown. Same with Maxifile. Is there any way to increase the buffer? I apologizes if this is too off topic. Thanks again to all who replied to my initial query. des ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 176 Sat Oct 22, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 19:33 PDT Des, You're lucky, my UIS is limited to 350 items. I have v.3.32, does anyon know if there's a patch beyond that so I can get 400? Dan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 177 Sun Oct 23, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:59 EDT Des, No, there's no way to change the way UIS and Maxi behave. The Geneva item selector will show any number of files, and I recommend Geneva wholeheartedly. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 178 Sun Oct 23, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:07 EDT Des, There is no way to increase those buffer sizes as they're hard coded into the programs. The people at ST Informer have said that there's a planned update for UIS III in the works. Perhaps if we write to them, we can get the limit set much larger for CD-ROM use. I think their GEnie address is ST.INFORMER. Dan, I think UIS III v3.32 is the latest and that's what I've got. I get a 400 limit. How strange. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 179 Sun Oct 23, 1994 D.PHILLIPS25 at 10:34 PDT Yeah, Lee, apparently, I reloaded UIS and forgot to patch it, duh. Dan ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 180 Sun Oct 23, 1994 B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] at 22:30 EDT >BTW, does anyone know Sony's address? I didn't get a manual with >the drive. Not that I need one but it would be nice to have. Sony Computer Peripheral Products Co. 655 River Oaks Parkway San Jose, CA 95134 800/222-0878 408/432-0190 ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 181 Sun Oct 23, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 23:03 EDT Sam, The sound would come from the NEC 3xp headphone jack, not from the Falcon, unless you run a cable from the NEC to the Falcon. I have a very similar configuration than yours (minus the 14 MB, mind you <grin>). Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 182 Sun Oct 23, 1994 GREG at 23:22 CDT TinTin: You also need to turn on the Falcon sound input if you want to run it with the Falcon. Use SOUND_ON.PRG or similar programs in your AUTO folder to change the Falcon default from MIC OFF to MIC ON. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 183 Mon Oct 24, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:57 EDT Dan, Well I'm glad we've got that resolved. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 184 Mon Oct 24, 1994 S.MCGEE2 [Sam] at 20:18 PDT Tintin, I purchased ExtenDOS Pro so I wouldn't need the cable from the NEC 3Xp to the Falcon. Without the stereo cable I bypass one D to A and one A to D converter. This enables a cleaner signal to the Falcon built-in speaker. Wait a minute. Did I say that crappy Falcon speaker? Why did I get the upgrade to ED Pro? Sam M. (too many Sams) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 185 Mon Oct 24, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:22 EDT Grouch, Yes there is a patch already :-( Download EDOS_20A.LZH from the libraries. However, it doesn't sound like your problem. I just looked at your reg card and I see you have a NEC 55 which is not auto-recognised. You need to specify a drive type (via the D= parameter). Try D=20, 21, 22 or 23. Please email me with the results (good or bad). Bob S, On most drives the busy light flashes every second or so while the CD is playing (this is done by the hardware ... probably to let you know something is happening!). Re volume control: as far as I know, there isn't software volume control on the 210 (at least, I don't support it). Sam, What TinTin said! I tested ExtenDOS / Pro on his system. Des, Thanks for sharing your CDBENCH results with us ... I'll incorporate them in my next summary post. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 186 Mon Oct 24, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 23:39 EDT Greg, That's right. You can also use Falcon SX or Audio Fun Manager to get the sound through while using other applications. Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 187 Tue Oct 25, 1994 GREG at 00:59 CDT SAM: You still need the cable from the CD's audio out to the Falcon to hear the sound with ExtenDOS Pro. When in redbook audio mode, most CD rom drives output to audio out only. On some CD rom drives it is possible to read a redbook track as one large file into computer memory for playback or edit, but I do not believe there is any commercial product to do this on the Falcon. Can anyone correct me if I am wrong? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 188 Wed Oct 26, 1994 C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 22:23 EDT Sam M., I know what you mean. The 3xp already have the audio controls, so why bother with an audio program, right? Well I find that the CD Audio player gives me more control. I can now do reverse/fast forward within a track and shuffle for example. And why do you want to use the Falcon speaker? Connect something better in your audio out jack. At 50kHZ sampling rate the quality loss isn't noticeable, IMO. At the most you will be greeted by a bass boost. Tintin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 189 Sat Oct 29, 1994 H.SCHEIE [HALS] at 11:43 CDT I am haveing trouble getting Extendos to recognize my NEC 3xp cd rom. I am using the default settings on my mste, I have tried all the scsi ids', termation on-off, and scsi 1-2 to no avail. I have tried 2 links (1), 2 drives, and my megast also and get nothing from the drive. Do I have to change something on my Internal HD also? I sure could use some help on this Hal ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 190 Sat Oct 29, 1994 D.TANG2 [Des] at 23:38 MDT Dan, My UIS is 3.32 and I get 400 items just like Lee B. Al,Lee B., > No, there's no way to change the way UIS and Maxi behave. > There is no way to increase those buffer sizes as they're hard coded Nothing some sector surgery can fix? Darn! B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] Thanks for Sony's address, Bud. Roger, > Thanks for sharing your CDBENCH results with us ... You're welcome. des ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 191 Sun Oct 30, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:32 EST Hal, I have a MSTE, but I don't have an internal drive and I use the ICD hard disk drivers. Are you using AHDI ? I've heard roumor that you have to use AHDI on the internal drive, but I'm not really sure. Good luck. des, The problem with sector surgery is that you could up the limit (if you could _find_ it), but you can't allocate the extra space needed im memory and you may overwrite other important information and that could cause all sorts of problems. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 192 Sun Oct 30, 1994 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 09:43 EST Roger: I have ExtenDOS Pro and use it with the AUDIO_CD.ACC frequently. I frequently have the audio running a CD while I'm in a word processor or like now, in Aladdin. I have found that there is a lag in text display, presumably when the accessory is upadating the track info etc. So. . . the question arises; "Would it be possible to revise the accessory program such that when you closed the accessory the update query was turned OFF and subsequently reactivated when the accessory was reopened?" IMHO this would solve the display lag with an audion CD running. Please note that test is _not_ dropped, there is only a lag between the keyboard buffer and the text being displayed. Thanks! Best regards, -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 193 Sun Oct 30, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 11:07 EST Des, No, sector surgery (ah, an old Disk Doctor fan?) won't help. Geneva's item selector works fine, and maybe this will be a gentle nudge. :-) Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 194 Sun Oct 30, 1994 H.SCHEIE [HALS] at 13:13 CST I'm using ICD I'll dig up a AHDI and see if that works Hal ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 195 Sun Oct 30, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 15:43 EST Dave, You can turn the ACC on or off via Geneva, if you have Geneva. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 196 Sun Oct 30, 1994 SAM-RAPP [Sam_030] at 21:44 CST Well, I finally got a cable to hook up my CD-ROM. ExtenDOS works great and so does the drive! When I hooked it up the Audio program did not work, but when I told ExtendDOS to pretend it was a Apple Powerdrive, it worked. Execept for the fast forward/fast backward. Should I pretend to be a differend drive? Thanks! ========> Sam_030 ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 197 Sun Oct 30, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 23:40 CST Lee & Hal, The rumour is false. The interal drive on my MegaSTE is formatted with ICD's software ( I have a LINK on the external ) and has the Supra booter installed. It runs just fine. John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 198 Mon Oct 31, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:45 EST Hal, I wasn't encouraging you to use AHDI, I was trying to find out what your configuration was so that I could better advise you. The ICD software should work fine. I've also forgotten what kind of CD-ROM you've got. If it's the only external device it probably needs SCSI termination. This may be available inside the drive or you may need an external terminator. What SCSI ID numbers are you using for all the devices ? BTW, to have Aladdin retain your line spacing, put a space in front of any lines you don't want wrapped, like your signature. John L., Thanks for the info. Do you have ExtenDOS and/or a CD-ROM drive ? Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 199 Mon Oct 31, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:17 EST If you're looking for an excuse to buy ExtenDOS. but you don't have a CD-ROM drive yet, Anodyne Software has a very small quantity of Toshiba 3301 drives for sale, packaged with ExtenDOS Pro. The Toshiba 3301, the precursor to the popular 3401, supports both single-session photoCD and full audio. The 3301 is a single-speed drive with relatively high performance, as measured by CDBENCH: Random Full Data Drive access stroke transfer ----- ------ ------ -------- AppleCD SC Plus 385ms 550ms 147 kB/sec NEC CDR-25 982ms 2004ms 151 kB/sec Panasonic CR-501 450ms 770ms 147 kB/sec => Toshiba 3301 355ms 484ms 151 kB/sec <= These drives are as new, although not in their original boxes, and include a caddy. They do not include a SCSI cable, since the type of cable you need depends on your system. The external drives have standard Centronics 50-pin connectors for SCSI-in & -out. US prices are as follows: Internal drive with ExtenDOS Pro $99.95 External drive with ExtenDOS Pro $129.95 Please add $10 for shipping. Please contact Anodyne Software for further information. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 200 Tue Nov 01, 1994 H.SCHEIE [HALS] at 18:42 CST The drive is a nec 3xp it has switchs for termination and scsi 1 or 2 onback the int drive is scsi 0 the cd is the edos default scsi 5. I have tried all combos of ids and scsi 1 or 2 and a 2nd cd and 2nd link the drive(s) will not answer the scsi query Hal ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 201 Tue Nov 01, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 21:52 CST I don't ahve a CD yet, but if Nathan & CO. will lay off on adding new Calamus Modules for a month or two I might be able to put the money together to buy one. John L. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 202 Wed Nov 02, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:34 EST Hal, What does your EXTENDOS.CNF file look like ? Take Care, Lee B. ------------