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Info-Atari16 Digest         Mon, 11 Nov 91       Volume 91 : Issue 590

Today's Topics:
                 *** FOR SALE *** montior and printer
                        Bash 1.10 for MiNT 0.9
           Data Diet type programs & Random access (2 msgs)
                GNU UTILITIES POSTED TO ATARI.ARCHIVE
                            Is It Kosher?
                       Latest version of gulam
                      MiNT 0.9 is now available
                New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
                          Panther & Jaguar.
                                 sold
                                Stacy
                Uploading to the VAX...I can't do it?!
                            Video Toaster
          WordPerfect 2.x for the Mac (via Spectre) (2 msgs)

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Date: 11 Nov 91 18:59:49 GMT
From: psinntp!ultb!ultb![e-mail] (D.R. Paradis )
Subject: *** FOR SALE *** montior and printer
To: [e-mail]

  I have a SC1224 monitor manufactured Nov 85' (I believe those are the
JVC ones)  It's one of the good ones!!  Works great!  No problems!

asking $250 obo


The printer is a Panasonic KX-P1091i.  Still on it's original ribbon.
192cps.  2 NLQ modes.   100% working condition, never had a single
problem!

asking $150 obo



Notice I said "asking price", fell free to email offers if you don't
like the price.  Shipping for each of these is probably going to run
about $10 (i'm guessing).

Bob


--
************************************************************************
*    Just because I'm a film major        |      < Net-address >       *
* doesn't mean I'm a Spielber-wanna-be....|                            *
*       I'm a Lynch-wanna-be!             |  [e-mail]  *

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Date: 11 Nov 91 13:07:11 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!uflorida!travis![e-mail]
 (Jeff Jackson)
Subject: Bash 1.10 for MiNT 0.9
To: [e-mail]

Is this a separate port of it from scott's?  I certainly use it without
running MiNT.
--
============================================================================
Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
[e-mail] |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
                   %%%%%%%%% -- Carman, "The Champion"

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Date: 3 Nov 91 23:41:16 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!tfd!afp!gna!linn![e-mail] (Marco Fris)
Subject: Data Diet type programs & Random access
To: [e-mail]

 > How [well] does it cope with random accesses to a file?  For example,
 > if I Fseek 15000 bytes into the file, how does D.D. cope?  I'm lost,
 > and very sceptical about these Data Diet tools.
As DD's readme states, it extracts a full copy of the file into it's working
directory. So your program sees exactly the same file as it would without the
DD stuff, albeit not on the same physical place.
 > crash on my hard disk, but I was able to restore a large number of
 > ASCII source files by dumping tracks from the HD and manually sorting
 > them out.  Had they been compressed, all would have been lost.
If you didn't have a backup, that is. But you, being an able minded computer
user, have a nice and fresh one of course...

                    - Marco -

--- And now ... number one ... The Larch.
    [e-mail]
 or [e-mail]

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Date: 3 Nov 91 23:53:26 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!tfd!afp!gna!linn![e-mail] (Marco Fris)
Subject: Data Diet type programs & Random access
To: [e-mail]

 > 1.  Should the Atari Megafile 30 make a "chirping, or beeping, or
 > squeking, or creaking" kind of sound when it writes to the drive?
 > The sound is kind of hard to describe!  :=(  The drive made this sound
 > from the beginning, and it worries me now as much as it did then.
 > There has to be someone else who owns a MegaFile or has heard the sound
 > before...
It does make some noise during acesses. It's kinda hard to compare what I hear
to what you described, but why don't you go listen to one in a shop?
Seems to me that if this sound ment something bad, you would have found out in
these months.

 > My last question has to do with power surges.  Today my hard drive
 > was running fine and then it suddenly started running FAST!  The fan
 > started whirring *REAL* fast, and I turned it off right away.  Could
 > this have been a power surge?  It has never happened before, and my
 > power bar claims to have a surge supressor (but not eliminator?).
No, that's no power surge. These are very short, the only thing you'd probably
notice when a power surge hits your machine is the smoke coming out of it...
You might have a problem with the internal power supply of the M30.

                    - Marco -

--- And now ... number one ... The Larch.
    [e-mail]
 or [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Nov 91 16:34:01 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!uflorida!travis![e-mail]
 (Jeff Jackson)
Subject: GNU UTILITIES POSTED TO ATARI.ARCHIVE
To: [e-mail]

I have just posted the binaries to the GNU Utilities to atari.archive.
They should show up there before long.  Man pages and sources will be
sent later this week or next week.  The following is the readme file
that accompanies them:

################################################################

This is my port of various gnu utilities.  They are intended for use
under bash1.10, also available on atari.archive.umich.edu.  Together,
these give you a rather complete Un*x environment based on gnu software.
The following zoo archives are available.  These also include some
non-GNU public domain software.

       executables    source    manual_pages
      -------------------------------------
        file31b       file31s     file31m
        shell13b      shell13s    shell13m
        text11b       text11s     text11m
        misc1b        misc1s      misc1m
                                  README

What do you need to set yourself up?  First, you need bash.  I
keep everything on disk D:  under a directory called gnu.  The
following is my directory setup:

gnu
   bin
   gxxinc
   include
   lib
   man
etc

Until you have a good feel for how everything works together, I
recommend you use it.  Put bash.ttp in \gnu\bin.  Now you need to know
about UNIXMODE.  The gnu libraries emulate unix style filenames and
symbolic links.  If a filename consists of all digits and lowercase
letters and has no more than 8 characters plus 3 character extender,
it maps directly to a TOS filename.  Otherwise, a name TOS file is
made up from the real name and an entry in a file called ".dir" is
maintained to describe the mapping.  Symbolic links are also recorded
in the same filey.  This feature is controlled via the UNIXMODE
environment variable.  It is a string of characters for customizing
UNIXMODE operation.  By default, bash will set it to "/.,rCLAHdb".
These characters mean:

"/"    permit "/" as well as "\" to separate path elements
".,"   map extra periods to "," when deriving TOS names.
"rC"   make root file system be drive C.
"L"    permit symbolic links
"A"    permit unix style filenames
"H"    hide the .dir file from directory searches
"d"    provide psuedo device directory
           /dev/X is file system x:
           /dev/console is CON:
           /dev/tty1    is AUX:
           /dev/lp      is PRN:
"b"    open files in binary mode

The only ones you would every probably want to modify are "rC" to
select another file system as root and "d" if you use MiNT.  MiNT
users will probably want to use the string "/.,rULAHb".  Note that
this must be setup before you run bash.  I've included in the readme
archive a program for setting desktop's environment variables that
a stole from a TeX distribution.  Note that programs compiled with
the MiNT libraries do not know about UNIXMODE.  hence you must
use command lines like
   $ bg -o d:\\nohup\\output  command string
when using MiNT utilities.

You will want to put all the binary archives (*b.zoo) in /gnu/bin
and than manual pages ones (*m.zoo) in /gnu/man.  Now, what all
do you get?  The following lists the commands from each utility
package with notes on some of them.  Some individual tools are not
ported since their functionality is not available under TOS or
UNIXMODE.


***** README ******
copying -- the GNU communist manifesto
copying.lib -- the GNU communist manifesto for libraries
env.inf -- see setenv.prg
passwd -- sample /etc/passwd (Yes it is usefull.  Files pretend to be
          owned by user 1.  Make an entry for yourself to make ls -l
          and some other commands look nice.
profile -- sample /etc/profile.  When you start up bash, give it the  -login
           parameter.
readme -- this file
setenv.prg -- program for setting environment variables from desktop.
              I've never used it.  I don't have source.  Don't tell
              me about problems with it.  Uses env.inf.
termcap --/etc/termcap used by emacs and some other programs.


****** SHELL UTILITIES 1.3 *******

basename
date
dirname
env
expr
groups -- not ported
id
logname
nice -- not ported.  See MiNT utilities
nohup -- not ported.  See "bg" in MiNT utilities
pathchk -- /dev is not fully emulated as a directory
printenv
printf
sleep
stty -- not ported.  See MiNT utilities
tee
test -- testing /dev/X always succeeds, even if filesystem not mounted.
tty -- not ported
whoami
uname -- not ported
yes

***** FILE UTILITIES 3.1 ******

chgrp -- not ported.
chmod -- can only modify the user write bit.
cp
dd
df -- doesn't recognize /dev/A or /dev/B
dir
du
install
ln
ls
mkdir
mkfifo -- not ported.
mknod -- not ported.
mv
rm
rmdir
touch
vdir

***** TEXT UTILITIES 1.1 *****

cat
cmp
comm
csplit
cut
expand
fold
head
join
paste
pr
sort
split
sum
tac
tail
unexpand
uniq
wc

***** MISC UTILITIES 1 *****

Several of these were already ported, but I wanted them built with
the latest and greatest libraries since a number of fixes have been
done,  so I did a new quick and dirty port.  Include also are some
non-GNU software.  These will receive lower priority as far as
sustaining goes.  Send me bug reports anyway.

combine  -- best file comparer in the world.  Humans can actually
combine2 --    read the output of these and they are great for three
         --    way compares when doing merges.
diff
diff3 -- not ported.
egrep
find
fgrep
grep
locate -- not ported
patch
sed
xargs
which -- I wrote this one a long time ago.


mkid -- software package for maintaining database of words from text
lid --  or software soruces.  We live and swear by it at Harris.
idx
fid
gid -- symbolic link to lid.ttp
aid -- ditto
eid -- ditto
pid -- ditto
iid

###################

Let me know of any bugs you find.  Fixes to them are also appreciated.
These need to be built with at least patchlevel 74 libraries (Which
are not yet (November 10, 1991) available for general consumption).

--
============================================================================
Jeffrey Glen Jackson  _|_Satan jeered, "You're dead meat Jesus, I'm gonna
[e-mail] |     bust you up tonight."
x5120                  | Jesus said, "Go ahead, make my day."
                   %%%%%%%%% -- Carman, "The Champion"

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Date: 11 Nov 91 12:01:13 GMT
From:
 stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!lapis.labmed.umn.edu!davidli@ames.a
 rpa
Subject: Is It Kosher?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Covert) writes:
> I was hoping that some kind soul would start posting the
> newer fonts for page stream 2.1 that are on GEnie.
>
> I can go broke real fast d/ling all of the PgS 2.1
> fonts now on GEnie.

What gall!  Why should someone else go to the trouble of obtaining all of the
fonts you want from GEnie (at -their- cost) just so you can save yourself
money?

By the way, Richard, why do you need the Pagestream fonts at all?  I would
think that, given your attitude toward Atari ST equipment, you'd have purchased
a Macintosh by now, and could then go bother the Macintosh forums for Adobe
fonts...

--

David Paschall-Zimbel           [e-mail]

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go
into the other room and read a book."  -- Groucho Marx  1890-1977

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Date: 11 Nov 91 08:46:56 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!ruunfs!ruunfs![e-mail] (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Latest version of gulam
To: [e-mail]

Sorry of this is a FAQ, but:
I have a beta version of gulam, from early '88. Lately I picked up the
version from atari.archive, but it was even older. As my version is
beta, I guess there must be a newer and more definitive version. Could
anyone tell where and if?

Thanks in advance,
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Peter Mutsaers.    RUU physics dept. Heidelberglaan 5, Utrecht, Nederland
[e-mail]   |================================================
tel: (+31)-(0)30-533880 |    " Trust me; I know what I'm doing. "

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Date: 11 Nov 91 16:04:55 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!juli
 an!uwovax.uwo.ca![e-mail] (Eric Smith)
Subject: MiNT 0.9 is now available
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Graham
 Higgins) writes:
>
>> Has anyone else had trouble with the MiNT port of KSH unter MiNT 0.9?
>
> Yes, I have experienced the same problems.
>
>> and if ggascoigne (sp?) intends to upgrade KSH or release his source
>> code.
>
> ggascoigne (sp correct) does intend to upgrade ksh, as soon as he gets his
> hands on Mint v09 and the libs. I have offered to supply both locally (U.K.).

My apologies to everyone for breaking ksh. I *believe* that the problem is
that "close(0); dup(n);" used to be the same as "dup2(n, 0)" in MiNT 0.8,
but doesn't work in MiNT 0.9. If this is indeed the problem (I haven't
yet obtained ksh to try this) then it will be fixed in the forthcoming
MiNT 0.91 (which will also have a kludge in it to allow sozobon and other
dLibs compiled programs to work).

(If the above conjecture is incorrect, please let me know ASAP!)
--
Eric R. Smith                     email:
Dept. of Mathematics            [e-mail]
University of Western Ontario   [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Nov 91 17:57:46 GMT
From: ucla-se!pantheon![e-mail] (Scott Willingham)
Subject: New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (William Magro) writes:
>
>Aren't under-regulated monopolies lovely?  Michigan Bell, like Illinois Bell,
 is owned
>by Ameritech.  Illinois Bell did the per call charge first in Chicago.  Now it
 is
>implemented all over Illinois.  My local charges have basically doubled.
 Unlimited
>local calls used to be $5.50/mo.   The charges are $0.062 per call (untimed)
 for
>calls during the day.  This drops to $0.03 per call at night.  It sucks.  They
 have
>the nerve to print:  "Volume discount saved you $0.22 this month\n" on my
 bill....
>
>Bill

And you have the nerve to criticise the various Bells for being self-serving
while at the same time advocating that those of us who make a few calls a
month should subsidize your unlimited calls by paying a flat rate.

-- Scott
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Date: 2 Nov 91 17:04:10 GMT
From: psinntp!uupsi!tfd!afp!gna!linn![e-mail] (Diederik
 Hoogenboom)
Subject: Panther & Jaguar.
To: [e-mail]

In a message of <22 Oct 91  19:38:35>, [e-mail]
(2:320/100.1) writes:

 >> Someone mentioned two machines Atari is/was (rumored?) to be
 >> working on called Panther and Jaguar.  Does anyone know what
 >> they are or where rumored to be?
 s> The Panther is supposed to be the next St and the Jaguar is just an
 s> atari console similar to the megadrive or the super famicom

Atari cancled the Panther-project due to the fast development of the Jaguar
and its technical extensions (32 bit, lotsa colors, ect.). The Jaguar is
supposed to be a lot better than the Megadrive or Super Famicom. Sega will
also release a new console soon, called Gigadrive (how orginal).

                        Greetz... %Diederik%

--- STabloid Development, Point At %ABC% On
    [e-mail]
 or [e-mail]

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Date: 11 Nov 91 19:19:51 GMT
From: SERVER.CS.JHU.EDU![e-mail]
Subject: sold
To: [e-mail]

Yesterday,I posted a message in which I put my REPLAY 8 and MultiGEM for sale.

Since I already received many replies for both items I consider them SOLD.

Please do not send me any more messages for the above items.

Thank you.


______________________________________________  V. Nikolaidis ________________
      ______                              |
     /  __  \    Wave Arts        ______  | [e-mail]
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  /  / /  / / /  / _\/ \/  / _\/__\  \    |
 /__/ /__/ / /__/ /    /__/ /  /_____/\   | ...another broke Atari ST
 \__\/\__\/  \__\/     \__\/   \_____\/   |    and Amiga enthusiast.
          Custom-made Sailboards          |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: 11 Nov 91 11:55:34 GMT
From:
 stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!lapis.labmed.umn.edu!davidli@ames.a
 rpa
Subject: Stacy
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Covert) writes:
> ...that same $2400 that you spent last year on your STacy will now buy you...

There is a problem with this kind of thinking.  Of -course- the computer you
bought a year and a half ago isn't as great as the 'newest' thing on the
market.  And it probably cost as much, or more, than what you could purchase
today.  However, if you had a -current- need for a computer,  waiting for a
'possibly' better (non-existent) computer for the better part of a year or so
is criminally stupid.

--

David Paschall-Zimbel           [e-mail]

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go
into the other room and read a book."  -- Groucho Marx  1890-1977

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Date: 11 Nov 91 17:38:24 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs
 .ohio-state.edu!jabberwock.shs.ohio-state.edu!sun1.is.battelle.org!bclcl1.im.ba
 ttelle.org!ohstpy!miavx1!
Subject: Uploading to the VAX...I can't do it?!
To: [e-mail]

I have this ZMODEM program that lets me upload/download files on the VAX.
But it sucks...it *never* works on my binary files.  There's also an XOMDEM
utility on our VAX, but it creates this XMODEM.LOG file that gets to be
hundreds of blocks long which uses up too much disk space...exceeds my quota,
and then an hour long download aborts with just a few thousand bytes left.

I'm peeved.  (and that's putting it mildly!)  Can anyone please tell me a nice
simple way to transfer files from my Atari 1040 ST with a Supra 2400 modem to
the stupid Univ of Dayton VAX?

--Dennis             (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum.)

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Date: 11 Nov 91 16:53:08 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!udel!brahms.udel.edu!
 [e-mail] (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Video Toaster
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Choi)
 writes:
>First, let me preface this by saying that I actually like the Amiga, it
>is just some of it's more pious followers that I can not stand.
>
     Ditto here, but fill in (Amiga, PC, Mac, ST, <your fav. machine here>)
in place of "Amiga" above 8).


[stuff deleted]

>       It is now official. Newtek has announced realease of the PC MS-DOS
>version of the Video Toaster, for IBM PC's and compatibles. Can an ST

     Yes, there is also a Mac version.  Interesting thing about these
Toasters is that, unlike the Amiga version, they're not on a plug-in card;
instead, they're an external peripheral.  Interesting thing about this
peripheral is that it looks suspiciously like an Amiga 2000 with a Toaster
logo covering the Amiga one....
     Yep, the PC and Mac Toasters are actually full Amiga systems with DOS
or Mac software to send ARexx (an Amiga interprocess communications language)
commands from the Mac/PC to the Toaster software running on the Amiga.

>version be all that far behind? Or a mac version, for that matter? Once
>that arrives, along with the Lexicor software, and a 24 bit board, it
>would make one damn cheap video system, even cheaper than the Amiga. And

     I doubt an ST version of the toaster, even in it's 'peripheral' form,
will ever show up.  Two main reasons:
     1) The Toaster hardware is tightly coupled to the Amiga architecture,
and the software is written almost entirely in assembly.  It took NewTek
years to design the Toaster for a machine that already had NTSC output;
it's probably just not worth it for them to build a board for any other
system when they can sell their 'peripherals' just as easily without having
to worry about converting scan rates, etc.
     2) The Toaster is an NTSC machine with no PAL version planned, according
to NewTek.  This leaves out the European market, where most STs are.  I just
don't think there are enough STs in use in the US any more to justify Newtek
aiming for them.
     On the other hand, there's absolutely no reason why some ST hacker can't
come up with a way to send ARexx messages to the peripheral version, but all
it would be is a front-end to the Toaster to keep the user 'safe' from the
Amiga side.
     Oh, and why a separate 24-bit board?  The Toaster's already got two 32-bit
frame buffers (granted, they're very _slow_ frame buffers, but they're there...)

>when MTOS comes out, the last claim to fame of the AMI-OS, assuming that
>MTOS is what it is claimed to be, will be gone as well. All this relies
>a bit oin speculation about the Atari side, but even still, it is nice
>sometimes to burst the bubble of the overly pious by reminding them that
>the rest of the world moves on.
>

     Hmm... nah, I'll leave this one alone... :-)

>All hail the guru, and the interlace video headache.

     Neither are a problem on my 3000 :-).

     No, before I get a dozen of the standard replies, I'm not some Amiga user
who skims through ST newsgroups looking for openings to flame the ST or its
users... I do occasionally skim through c.s.a.st out of genuine interest in
the machine as an alternative to MS-DOS and to donations to Apple's legal
department.  This time I just happened to come across something I felt an
urge to reply to :-).

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Date: 11 Nov 91 13:09:27 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!metro!grivel!loki![e-mail] (Shane
 Kershaw)
Subject: WordPerfect 2.x for the Mac (via Spectre)
To: [e-mail]

From article <[e-mail]>, by
 [e-mail] (Gerald Greenberg):

                [stuff about wordperfect 2.0.1, 2.0.2, 2.0.3
                 for the Mac running under Spectre deleted]

That's nice Gerry ;~) ;~).

I'm currently using WP 4.0 written specifically for the ST and have not, so far
;~), experienced any problems with it.

Its educational price here in Aus is AU$119. Performance for money is quite
good. It was worth it just to be able to import and export IBM/IBM compatible
files effectively (no dross in the files, just good clean ASCII).

Shane.


--
|    "Life! Don't talk to me about life!"   Douglas Adams via Marvin     |
|  Shane Kershaw                Internet:       [e-mail] |
 \  University of NewEngland,   Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia  /
  ======================================================================

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Date: 11 Nov 91 14:44:12 GMT
From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu![e-mail] (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: WordPerfect 2.x for the Mac (via Spectre)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Shane Kershaw) writes:
>From article <[e-mail]>, by
 [e-mail] (Gerald Greenberg):
>
>               [stuff about wordperfect 2.0.1, 2.0.2, 2.0.3
>                for the Mac running under Spectre deleted]
>That's nice Gerry ;~) ;~).
>I'm currently using WP 4.0 written specifically for the ST and have not, so far
>;~), experienced any problems with it.
>Its educational price here in Aus is AU$119. Performance for money is quite
>good. It was worth it just to be able to import and export IBM/IBM compatible
>files effectively (no dross in the files, just good clean ASCII).
>Shane.
Believe me, I'd love to be able to use the ST version of
WP...but until I can use non-standard fonts, it it not all
that useful.
--Gerry
[e-mail]

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