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==================================================================== (C) 1992 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari RoundTables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari RoundTables on GEnie are the *official* information services of the Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem in HALF DUPLEX) 800-638-8369. Upon connection, type HHH Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GENIE and hit RETURN. The system will now prompt you for your information. ==================================================================== ************ Topic 31 Fri Dec 13, 1991 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 15:16 EST Sub: Warp 9, the Accelerator This topic is for discussion and support of CodeHead's software accelerator, Warp 9, which was formerly known as Quick ST. 256 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 1 Fri Mar 27, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 17:42 EST For immediate release CodeHeadQuarters Friday, March 27, 1992 ---------------------- You Knew It As Quick ST... You'll LOVE It As... WARP 9 - THE SOFTWARE ACCELERATOR! HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA - CodeHead Technologies is proud to announce the release of its brand new software accelerator -- Warp 9! On January 1, 1992 we took over support and development of the popular Quick ST screen accelerator from Branch Always Software. It's taken over three months to complete the modifications necessary to turn it into a CodeHead product, but it's well worth the wait. The resulting fruit of our labors is Warp 9 -- the fastest, most compatible software graphics/text accelerator _ever_ for the Atari line of computers! We've decided to give it this new name because it's changed so dramatically that it's hardly even recognizable anymore. The only similarity between Warp 9 and its predecessor, Quick ST, is incredible speed! Although Warp 9 has a completely new user interface and many new features, the major benefit over previous screen accelerators is COMPATIBILITY! Literally dozens of bugs and compatibility problems have been eradicated in Warp 9. It now works fine with FSM GDOS, and problems have been eliminated with Touch-Up, PageStream, and many other programs where redraw and other problems existed. Warp 9 also works fine on the TT, and accelerates the graphics of TT Medium resolution remarkably. What IS a Software Screen Accelerator? ---------------------------------------- Warp 9 operates by intercepting operating system calls. Most of the normal operating system calls are not written with the utmost efficiency as far as speed is concerned. Warp 9 uses highly optimized assembly language routines which can give you speed increases of 400% all the way up to 1200% or more. That's from 4 to 12 times faster! The difference is immediately noticable in almost every area of your computer activities. Text, graphics, and windows virtually fly onto the screen. Once you try using Warp 9, you'll never allow yourself to operate without it again. New Features: --------------- The user interface of Warp 9 has been completely revamped. The Warp 9 program installs in the AUTO folder, giving increased speed to the loading of your AUTO programs. The effectiveness of a software accelerator is normally diminished by the additional overhead of other resident programs installed in your system. But Warp 9 uses a special trick to avoid this problem. The Warp 9 Control Panel accessory communicates with Warp 9, telling it to reinstall itself, giving it a prime position for acceleration. If you want to save memory by not installing the Warp 9 Control Panel, you can auto-run our QuickGrab program which will provide the same function. This gives you the best of both worlds, the utmost in speed during the bootup process as well as at the desktop level and in your applications. Besides speed and compatibility, Warp 9 offers you all of the same features available in Quick ST and much more. You can replace the system screen font with one of your own, or choose from any of the 6 dozen fonts included with Warp 9. You can also change the system fill patterns, altering the look of your windows and dialog boxes. You can change the desktop's background pattern by using a custom fill pattern or even load a picture in any resolution, including the TT resolutions. Warp 9 can load pictures in many formats, including PI1, PI2, PI3, PC1, PC2, PC3, TNY, TN1, TN2, TN3, and PNT. The font, fills, and background pictures can be configured to load automatically when you boot up. Fonts and fill patterns can be edited by using the included Customizer program. There's also a completely configurable mouse accelerator built right into Warp 9. You can tailor the acceleration to your own needs, or choose from one of the four preset configurations available. Other optional mouse features include "blocking" to keep the mouse from accidentally entering the menu bar area, "jumping" to force the mouse to the menu bar at the click of the right mouse button, and separately configurable horizontal and vertical wrap-around of the mouse when it reaches the edge of the screen. Warp 9 also includes the functionality of FunkAlert, the shareware program by Charles F. Johnson. This gives you the ability to select any button in any standard alert box by the simple press of a function key. You can turn off the system Zoom Boxes, too, for even more speed. A well-written 50-page manual gives detailed instructions for using every facet of Warp 9. Order Warp 9 today...you just can't get a faster, more compatible screen accelerator for your Atari computer, and you also receive the quality and support for which CodeHead Technologies is famous. Availability -------------- Warp 9 will be shipping as of Monday, March 30th. Retail price is $44.95. Contact your local dealer or order directly from CodeHead Technologies at the address below. Mastercard, Visa, and American Express credit cards are accepted. For shipping, add $3 US, $4 Canada, and $6 overseas. Owners of any version of Quick ST or Turbo ST can purchase Warp 9 for only $20 by returning their original disk with payment to: CodeHead Technologies P.O. Box 74090 Los Angeles, CA 90004 Phone: (213) 386-5735 (Mon-Fri 9A-1P Pacific Time) FAX: (213) 386-5789 BBS: (213) 461-2095 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 3 Mon Apr 06, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 19:17 EDT Dave, Thanks for the compliment on our new product brochure! I did that layout with Calamus, and created the background graphics with Avant Vector. I used Compugraphic Times for the body text, Cherry Alpine for the titles and subtitles, and other Cherry fonts for accents and caps. Then we sent the Calamus file up to Omnicomp in San Francisco for linotype output at 1693dpi. (That's the highest resolution they can output from Calamus.) We ended up having to send it to them 5 times, broken up into smaller sections each time, because they kept running out of memory trying to print it. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ken, Argh! You're right, the illustrations are swapped on pages 31 and 35. Sigh. Something else to add to the README file. I'll have a look at the Pagestream slowdown when the "desktop picture" feature is used. You're correct that the right button "mouse jump" feature can interfere with programs that look for right button clicks. I may have a remedy for this in the near future; one of our beta testers made a good suggestion for how to handle this kind of situation. (Thanks, Mel!) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= N.Steel, Mike Squire, & gnox: Glad to hear that Warp 9 is working well for you! - Charles P.S. Thank you very much everyone, for the unsolicited testimonials. :) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 5 Mon Apr 06, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 21:23 EDT Ken, We made no agreement to continue listing Darek's name. We've purchased all rights to the program. But we endeavor to always be fair and the truth is that Darek did a wonderful job of writing the original Quick ST. Charles did a lot of work molding it to our CodeHead form (and eliminating bugs), but Darek's work will always be there. The swapping of the manual's screen graphics is my fault. I did a paste-up and must have been asleep at the switch. To All, Speaking of being fair, I am obligated to clarify our press release (why, I don't know). We had an irate caller today who had ordered Warp 9 by phone the Tuesday after our press release (the day after the product was released). He was extremely upset that he had not received it yet (six days later) and accused us of false advertising and bad business practices, saying that we are _not_ "shipping" if we have not shipped his order. To eliminate any possible confusion by others, when we say that "Warp 9 is now shipping", we mean that we are shipping copies of Warp 9 to those who have ordered them in the order they were received. It does not mean that your order will be shipped the day you call us (although that will shortly be the case). I know that the vast majority of you understand this and I hope that _all_ of you will be able to accept this. I do not feel that it is our obligation to mention in our press release that your order may be delayed while we fill those orders that have been waiting for three months. "Now shipping" means "now shipping". John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 6 Tue Apr 07, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 00:30 EDT Steve, That's Write evidently does not like ANY screen accelerator. I hope version 2 will fix that problem. Warp 9 must be turned off or That's Write will 'bomb'. However, this is the only program so far that I've tried (still have a few to go) that I have to remember to 'turn off' Warp 9. (had to do the same thing with Turbo ST.....the fault lies with That's Write, I'm sure). Warp 9 is FAST! For example, I have the mouse setting on #1 because the other settings made the darn critter move so quickly, I was everywhere on the screen but where I wanted to be <grin>. It looks like Codehead has yet another 'feather in their cap'. Anna ------ J.EIDSVOOG1 John, I have That's Write and unless I disable Warp 9, it will 'bomb' and I have to reboot. It's very sly though. That's Write will load fine; you can load new fonts, type whatever you want, etc. It will even print the document. But, if after printing something you move the mouse pointer to the menu bar (e.g. to EXIT for example), I get some minor screen garbage and a row of 3 (I think it's 3) bombs and a system crash. If I turn Warp 9 off, than everything is fine. That's Write seems to have problems with any screen accelerator. I had to turn Turbo ST off as well or it would cause problems when printing. I have also noticed something weird when using Aladdin to call GEnie. I have one of the Courier fonts (that you so thoughtfully included with Warp 9) installed instead of the system font. Aladdin, in term mode, however still uses the system font. As we all know, Aladdin accesses the drive quite a bit when doing an Autopass so, whenever the dialog/alert box that says "Loading Topic List" appears, it changes the font style that it covers when briefly on- screen to the Courier font! So, I wind up having part of the screen in system font and part in Courier....a bit strange to look at <grin>. I've also found that when calling the Warp 9 Control Panel from the Desktop when I have a Degas pic loaded in as a background, it wipes out the pic when I exit (leaving part of the picture around the edges.). Anna 8-} ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 7 Tue Apr 07, 1992 M.MOTOGAWA [MEL] at 02:27 EDT Anna, I just checked your report with TW 1.52 and didn't see any problem dropping menus after printing via Print Bios. Using Print Direct produced the odd screen you mentioned, when dropping a menu after printing, although I didn't see any bombs. I've always preferred Print Bios over Direct, so that's probably why I never noticed this. In the past I've used QST3 many a time with TW's Print Bios and had no problems. If you haven't already, try using Print Bios for now. Hope this helps. Thanks! - Mel ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 8 Tue Apr 07, 1992 CHERRY.FONTS [Todd] at 03:43 EDT Anna, Aladdin's terminal screen is probably beyond hope to have replacement fonts work properly because of the 'bizarre' way Aladdin uses the OS fonts while it's online. I doubt even Charles could fix that problem (which is caused by Aladdin NOT Warp-9.) Best bet is to use the system font while Aladdin is online. I don't share your problem with the desktop picture background not redrawing properly. I think you may have to provide a little more info such as which other utilities you have installed, etc. ..Todd ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 9 Tue Apr 07, 1992 STARFALL [Alan] at 03:44 EDT I believe the problem with Aladdin is that it has its own screen accelerator built-in. I believe it draws directly to the screen from the system fonts, bypassing the BIOS and VDI. / / * / Alan * * ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 10 Tue Apr 07, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 11:33 EDT Anna, Mel Motogawa is one of our beta testers and has had no problem with That's Write. Maybe he can shed some light on your problem (new version of That's Write, different MO, etc.). However if you _do_ continue having problems, or you find problems with any other programs, you don't have to remember to manually disable Warp 9. The README file (remember those? <grin>) tells you how to set up a file to automatically disable Warp 9 for problem programs. Regarding Aladdin, there's no way for Warp 9 to force it to use the alternate font. Aladdin somehow bypasses all Warp 9's efforts to use the alternate font and prints the system font directly to the screen (in the terminal screen). But when Aladdin gets a redraw message (after a dialog box closes, etc.), it uses GEM to redraw the text and Warp 9 steps in with the Alternate font, leaving a strange look. This can't be helped. As for the background picture glitches after exiting the Warp CP, we haven't experienced that. I just tested it again and couldn't cause it. Perhaps you have a resident program that's interfering. If you could do some more testing to figure out what it is, we'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 12 Tue Apr 07, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 13:38 EDT Anna, That strange font behavior in Aladdin is beyond my control. Aladdin draws its text directly to the screen using the system font, bypassing all TOS/GEM text functions -- which means that Warp 9 never sees the text output, and can't intercept it. For some reason, Aladdin does use the normal text output routines when redrawing areas of the screen that were covered by a dialog box, so in that case you'll see your custom font in those areas. As for That's Write, try Mel's advice and use the 'Print Bios' function instead of 'Print Direct' -- that should solve the problem. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 13 Tue Apr 07, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 22:33 EDT Warp 9 showed up in my mailbox today an although I haven't had time to run it through everything yet but running it against QuickST version 2.21 with the benchmarking utilities that came with QST the BMVGTEFF.PRG program had Warp 9 generally 1/200 of a second slower than QST. QINDEX.PRG 1.8 showed a 7% increase over QST in TOS text, 129% increase with TOS string, 2% increase in TOS scroll and 189% increase (289% to 470%) in GEM dialog. By the way what is it that you use to get that type of disk formatting on your disks? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 14 Tue Apr 07, 1992 P.MORALES1 [Pat] at 23:46 EDT Warp-9 is great and worth the wait. However, I've encountered a minor bug, not with Warp-9, but with the MultiDesk Deluxe version 3.4 which accompanies the package. It appears that Min-Cal version 1.4 is incompatible both as an ACC and as an MDX. Within various programs, including Aladdin and WordPerfect, it causes a crash on exit. Within NeoDesk (sorry) it causes a return to Min-Cal each time MultiDesk is called, much like persist. The problem may not be MultiDesk, but it did not occur with version 3.3. And I'm not giving up Warp-9 to go back. Thank-you, for your great support! Pat ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 15 Wed Apr 08, 1992 C.NICHOLLS [BILL] at 00:50 EDT Anna, It is not quite true that That's Write doesn't like _any_ screen accelerator. It works fine with Quick ST3, though not at all with Quick STE. I do hope you're wrong and John Eidsvoog is right about Warp 9 and That's Write -- I didn't order soon enough to have my copy of Warp 9 yet. I look forward to seeing what results I get with That's Write, which I now use as my standard wordprocessor. Bill ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 28 Fri Apr 10, 1992 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 21:17 EDT When CodeHead Tech bought QST, did you get the rights for the other "Quick" things, like quick index, quick view, etc? If so, what's the plan for them? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 29 Fri Apr 10, 1992 J.FRANDOLIG [John F] at 22:33 EDT Wow, Now that I've had time to play with it, I really love all the "extra" features of WARP9. Try this, You'll like it. 1. Upgrade to Warp9 2. Set the mouse acceleration on '4' (or edit it higher) 3. Use a Bigscrn emulator (now I Really want a 19" Monitor !!) (I Think I downloaded it here). 4. Set the 'Block' and 'Jump' mouse options 5. Then you can use the Custom font (I set mine for MAC for fun). WHeeeeeeeee - LDW Power Spreadsheet, and Pagestream are really fun now. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 32 Sat Apr 11, 1992 S.SCHAPER [Meneldil] at 01:30 EDT Are you using the Line A patch with That's Write? Or FPrint24? I wonder if patching Line A might not be the incompatibility. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 41 Sat Apr 11, 1992 S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] at 21:48 EDT CodeHead, I am wondering about the functionability of DC Shower with Warp 9. You mention that DC Shower will not funtion properly with Warp 9. I am wondering what types of problems does it cause (slowdowns, lockups...)? I have tried DC Shower for a while with Warp 9 and found no problem. Also you mention to contact Double Click about the problem....would they have a fix yet you think? <grin> Although I like the program (Warp 9) and it looks faster visually in some things than did QST. I compaired them both with the same AUTO programs and ACC's (varying them some) using Quick Index 2.2 and QST seemed to be as fast or faster (a tiny) than Warp 9 (with Warp9_CP.ACC). Now I know that you mainly corrected many bugs and made more programs compatible for use. That is the most important part! I think that you did a great job, and I know that you will push the limits of the program to the max. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 42 Sat Apr 11, 1992 B.STRINGER at 23:19 EDT I ordered my upgrade at the Toronto Show last Sunday and it appeared in my mailbox today (Saturday)! Great service! I installed it and note some quirks on my system. The configuration, done via the accessory, does not seem to be stable. I have selected "BLOCK", & "Jump" for mouse effects and have left the "WRAPS" unselected. When I exit the accessory, The cursor will jump but not block. Initially the cursor won't wrap, and then will! I have an old 1 meg 520ST with TOS 1.4, running NEODESK 3. Is there any help? Thanks for the help! Bruce Stringer P.S. other details of my system include: hard drive with ICD Host adapter, Z-Time real time clock chip, Turbo-ST has been removed as has MACCEL3. Thanks again! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 43 Sun Apr 12, 1992 MUSE [Tomas] at 03:33 EDT Scott H., The symtoms I have encountered happen when you are done viewing a file with DC Shower. Hitting [Q] or [UNDO] can give you a dialog box that says: "This application cannot find the folder or file you just tried to access," and when you click on "OK" or hit return you get a desktop devoid of icons until the screen can be redrawn. Drive letters and names are still visible. My experiments suggest that this only occurs in TOS 2.06 on my system. My other TOS is 1.2 and in that environment I could not duplicate the problem. On another subject entirely... I tried to play a Breakout game last night while I had H Wrap and mouse acceleration enabled. It adds a new level to the game! ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 44 Sun Apr 12, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 11:48 EDT Thanks for the suggestion, Mel. I will try Print Bios the next time I use That's Write. Anna ----- Todd, The other utilities I have installed are the XCONTROL panel, Multidesk Deluxe (which installs G+PLUS, UIS III, & Abbreviator ST) and the Warp 9 CP. The background pic I'm using is a Degas (.PI3). I'm running a 1040ST with 4 megs and the new TEC installed. Oops! Almost forgot that I have just installed Charles' Pinhead program (the check will be in the mail this week) in my auto folder along with FOLDRXXX.PRG and MACCEL3.PRG (do I REALLY need MACCEL3 with Warp 9?) Anna ---- John, You mean we're supposed to actually READ those READ.ME files? I thought they fell into the same category as manuals! <grin>. I wasn't too concerned with the Aladdin problem....just thought you'd like to know about it. As far as the the programs I'm installing upon bootup: XCONTROL, WARP CP, MULTIDESK DELUXE (which installs the G+PLUS ACC, Abbreviator ST, and UIS III), G+PLUS.PRG, FOLDRXXX.PRG, and MACCEL3.PRG (all of which reside in my AUTO folder). The picture I'm using is in Degas format (.PI3). I will try to figure out what's causing it this weekend and let you know if I can come up with anything. Thanks for your help. Anna ;-) ----- Will do, Charles. Thanks for letting me know I wasn't totally crazy when I noticed the different fonts appear in Aladdin. BTW....I know this is the wrong topic area, but now that I have Warp 9 installed (and it does have a mouse accelerator), do I still need to use MACCEL3 with the XCONTROL panel? (I have a 1040ST) Seems sorta silly to have two of them puppies. Anna ----- C.NICHOLLS [BILL] Please let me know if you experience any trouble with That's Write. I'm going to take Mel's suggestion and trying using the Print Bios instead of Print Direct and see if that gets rid of the problem I was having with it. BTW....Warp 9 lives up to its name!! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 45 Sun Apr 12, 1992 CHAZ at 16:05 EDT The FKEY ALERTS feature doesn't always work - does this have something to do with CodeKeys? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 46 Sun Apr 12, 1992 V.HUTZ at 16:34 EDT Did I miss some instructions? I can't stop my computer from drawing those screen boxes...no! Not the final box but the interum steps you are able to shut off!! Wierd, but still damn fast. The perfect addition! I'm serious there is no difference between boxes on and boxes off. Thanks for the help, Vern ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 48 Sun Apr 12, 1992 ATARIUSER [John King T.] at 21:38 EDT John/Charles, I'd have paid the upgrade price just to have the drop down menu feature, "Jump." With this 19" monitor I used to run out of mouse pad before I got to the drop down menus, not-no-more. JKT ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 49 Sun Apr 12, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 23:03 EDT Is QuickIndex going to be forthcoming? I guess my only copy got traded in for Warp 9, and it would fun to play with now. Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 50 Sun Apr 12, 1992 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 23:20 EDT Chaz, I noticed that too - I figure the Fkeys for alerts don't work when the program has the Fkey assigned to something else. In my case it's PageStream macros, and then there's WordPerfect - but then it works in LDW Power, so must be something about who gets to see the keyboard input first! Great feature though. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 51 Sun Apr 12, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 23:44 EDT Scott, Regarding Quick Index and number-watchers, you are bound to find some differences in certain areas. The reason for this is that we had to add code to some routines to eliminate the bugs caused by previous shortcuts (short- comings) in Quick ST. We also gained speed by revamping the way Warp 9 hooks into the vectors. The end-result is that most things are faster overall, but if you look hard enough you can find some numbers that are higher for QST than Warp 9. Personally, I don't care about a few numbers if Warp 9 "looks faster visually" than QST (your own words). Remember that if QST gets (hypothetically) 464% and Warp 9 gets 462%, this is 2 percentage _points_, not 2% difference in speed. It's actually 4/10 of a percent difference (464/462). I defy anyone, anywhere to perceive this difference without a benchmark program. The bottom line is...Warp 9 is the fastest and most compatible software accelerator available for ST/TT computers. I doubt that we'll be able to increase the speed any further in the routines that Warp 9 is handling. We do plan to release a free bug-fix patch as some of the more obscure bugs are found. Our beta-testers did a great job of catching the majority of the bugs, but we were fully prepared to get more obscure reports once the general public had a chance to test with all of the junk...er, ah, other programs they use. <grin> Tomas documented the symptoms of the problems with DC Shower. We have given a copy of Warp 9 to Double Click Software to see if a solution can be found. DC Shower is watching for particular system calls that Warp 9 is handling, consequently DC Shower never sees them and doesn't operate properly. B. Stringer, We haven't experienced any problems with the mouse features. Warp 9 works fine with Neodesk here. Perhaps you could do some detective work to determine if there is a conflicting program installed. If so, we'd like to know so we can attempt to rectify it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 52 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 05:40 EDT gnox, I don't know about PageStream, but WordPerfect does not use GEM Alert boxes, they use thier own, FKeys can't work, but at least WP offers keyboard equalivents for most of their Alert boxes. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 53 Mon Apr 13, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 07:50 EDT Yeah, and don't forget about the obscure bug that slows down screen redraws in PgS 2 when there's a picture, at least a .PC3, in use. The first bug reported, from an obscure guy who just uses software but doesn't know how it works. [PgS 2 is NOT junk!!! Just cause you use Calamus! (Lying on the floor kicking and screaming.)--I know, you weren't referring to specific software.<G>] Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 54 Mon Apr 13, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 08:31 EDT Stringer, I just called up the accessory and set the mouse for block and jump and it worked perfectly. The pointer would not go into the GEM line until I pressed the mouse button and then when I pressed the right button it jumped right up to the GEM line. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 55 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 13:46 EDT The FKeys will not work in system alert boxes because the system makes direct calls to the ROMs and Warp 9 cannot catch them (this is explained in the FunkAlert documentation, but was omitted from the Warp 9 docs). As for programs using function keys, it depends on how they are reading them. Fkeys should work in all programs as long as they are not grabbing the keyboard interrupt. The same is true of the Zoom Boxes. Turning off the "Zoom Boxes" button will only disable zoom boxes called by external applications (this IS explained on page 13 of the manual). Quick Index is included on the Warp 9 disk. The first batch of disks went out without Quick Index, but it is now included. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 56 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 15:44 EDT Ken Vandellen, Of _course_ PageStream is not junk, it's a very powerful program. I just tested the redraw speed with a background picture and couldn't notice any difference with or without a background picture. Perhaps you could give more details about your system (TOS, computer, monitor) and what circumstances show the slowdown in redraw speed (such as exposed pieces of the background picture, etc.). There's no reason that a background picture should affect the redraw speed. Warp 9 handles the background redraws whether there's a picture there or not. For each redraw message, if there's no picture, Warp 9 draws a rectangle of fill. If there's a picture, it does a raster copy of a rectangle from the picture. Both operations take virtually the same amount of time. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 57 Mon Apr 13, 1992 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 20:19 EDT How can we get Quick Index from you? Apparently my W9 disk was an early one; it's not on there. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 58 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:38 EDT The version of Quick Index we are supplying with Warp 9 is QINDEX22.PRG, the last one furnished with Quick ST 3. If you do not have this, and it's not on your Warp 9 disk, send me E-Mail and I'll forward it to you. Unfortunately, it's not freeware or I'd just upload it to the library. Also, unfortunately, the source code was lost in a hard drive crash so there will not be any upgrades to it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 59 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.NESS [Jim] at 22:51 EDT NBM v1.2 is another benchmark program that will showcase the speedup provided by Warp 9. It is in the libraries here. Two of its six tests are graphics- related. -JN ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 60 Tue Apr 14, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 00:40 EDT > MACCEL3.PRG (do I REALLY need MACCEL3 with Warp 9?) Anna, no I don't think that you need MACCEL3 when there is a perfectly good configurable mouse accelerator built into Warp 9. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 61 Tue Apr 14, 1992 D.FLORY [ALERTsys*Cop] at 19:51 EDT Anna, unless you are running a Stacy and want the backlight turn off/screen saver functions of Maccel. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 62 Tue Apr 14, 1992 D.D.MARTIN at 20:19 EDT Funny thing about MACCEL3. I have a Golden Image mouse with its own built in accelerator, but I continue to use MACCEL3 because it is necessary to have it in TSR in order to use the XCONTROL's screen saver. Now I DO have HotWire and all the CodeHead Utilities, and I _could_ use their bouncing logo screen saver, but I prefer a screen saver that just inverts the screen and doesn't black it out completely. Matter of preferences, huh? I just know Charles and John are gonna see that John has sent in a Quick ST disk with the correct $$$ and say to each other, "Gee, because she's always giving us Swampy Hugs (oW and 40DD's), let's get this Warp-9 thingy in the mail to Dee Dee right now!... <g> Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 63 Tue Apr 14, 1992 TQUINN [TERRY] at 22:02 EDT I just got my copy of Warp 9 and like it a lot. Just one little request for the next revision though - is there any chance that the code for Buttonfix.ACC could be incorporated in the WARP 9 accessory? I tend to be kind of stingy with both my memory and accessory slots and would like to be able to eliminate Buttonfix from my root directory. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 64 Tue Apr 14, 1992 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 23:30 EDT Aladdin and the OS font. Aladdin has it's own routines for drawing into the terminal window. This is done _only_ for performance. Several of the VDI routines are very slow (As you well know, otherwise you wouldn't have this product), that the screen output is either anoying slow, or just plain ugly (vro_copyfrm, in a color screen). Aladdin was designed to detect if we are running in a "standard rez" (original 520 modes), and if so, to use optimized Asm for screen output, otherwise we use the VDI (Monoterm, TT medrez, etc...) The problem: Aladdin uses my standard window redraw routines, it does this so the highspeed routines do not have to worry about clipping, 99% of the users will not be effected. The effect if you are using an alternate system font is just ugly, and not harmfull. If it is possible to legaly detect with warp9 is installed, we could add a flag to tell Aladdin to use the VDI when warp9 is installed. Another option considered for v2.0 is to add a config option "Use VDI?" -tim ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 65 Wed Apr 15, 1992 CHERRY.FONTS [Todd] at 02:31 EDT Tim, Since Warp-9 isn't the only font replacer that causes Aladdin's terminal screen to look 'just plain ugly' as you put it, the USE VDI option gets my vote rather than looking for Warp-9 specifically. (I've heard Harlequin's font replacer provides the same problem.) ..Todd ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 66 Wed Apr 15, 1992 B.KING8 [Brien King] at 03:28 EDT Tim - If Warp 9 puts a Cookie in the Cookie Jar, then you can detect it. (I Don't know if it does that or not.) If Warp 9 Doesn't put a cookie in, then maybe John or Charles would consider doing that. I don't think it would be illegal since Warp 9 is a TSR and not a DA or Application. Brien King ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 67 Wed Apr 15, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 03:52 EDT >I just got my copy of Warp 9 and like it a lot. Just one little request for >the next revision though - is there any chance that the code for Buttonfix.ACC >could be incorporated in the WARP 9 accessory? Have you thought of getting Multidesk deluxe? It has the ButtonFix code in it. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 69 Wed Apr 15, 1992 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:40 EDT Swampy, Hotsaver _does_ invert the screen if you tell it to! Uses less RAM that way too. It also includes the same mouse accelerator used in Warp 9 (at least I think it's the same). You could have dumped MACCEL3 long ago. :-) - and if you want to see a really wild and crazy mouse, try using _both_ MACCEL and the Warp 9 accelerator! gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 70 Wed Apr 15, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 06:22 EDT I like the idea of config options. I like config options as it allows users to tailor a program for their own individual idiosyncracies. Of course if everything were a config option, we might need more config screens... Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 71 Wed Apr 15, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 07:54 EDT John, I HOPE you knew I was just teasing you back when I responded to your comment about some of the junk programs we use. The only time I was aware of a possible problem with PageStream was when I was using a doc called FontView2, that shows all of the characters in a font. I was checking out a "fancy" font I had downloaded, and the computer took much longer than usual to draw the characters on screen. I seemed to remember hearing something about background pictures slowing things down, so I went to the Warp 9 .ACC, and turned off the picture memory. Voila! The characters went into the doc at a rate that seemed faster to me. Maybe I didn't find the first bug? That was the only time I had this strange sensation. I'll let you know if it happens again, and the circumstances that produce it. In the meantime, I'll have a blood and urine test.... BTW, be sure to back up your hard drive occasionally. I learned the hard way on that. DiamondBack II is great! And getting better all the time!! (Just like CodeHead stuff.) I hate it when people start a sentence with a conjunction!!! Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 74 Wed Apr 15, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 12:06 EDT Tim, It is possible to detect if Warp 9 is present. Here's the code: move.l #'QBAK',d0 ; Magic value for Warp 9 move.l d0,d5 ; Save it in D5 trap #2 ; The system just returns if no Warp 9 cmp.l d0,d5 ; If D0 is not changed, beq not_here ; Warp 9 isn't here - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 75 Wed Apr 15, 1992 TOWNS [John@Atari] at 14:55 EDT I vote for the "Use VDI only" button. -- John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 76 Wed Apr 15, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 20:05 EDT Terry, ButtonFix is built into MultiDesk Deluxe. :-) (another must have IMHO) Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 78 Wed Apr 15, 1992 OUTRIDER [Terry @ T2] at 22:31 EDT I too vote for the "Use VDI?" option. As has been pointed out, there are other font replacement programs (such as Font Tricks) that exhibit the same problem. A user option seems like the best possible solution. - Terry - ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 82 Thu Apr 16, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:18 EDT Tim, I'm not sure how you've gotten Aladdin to even _find_ the system font when Warp 9 is installed. Perhaps you got the system font built into Aladdin. If you were to use the system font pointer to get the font for your direct output, you'd have the speed as well as the custom font, without having to use VDI. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 84 Thu Apr 16, 1992 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 19:41 EDT Charles, The font tables are built into the program, (the same screen routines, MBBS uses). re: system font, do you mean the font table in a-line? I though a-line was going to disappear.... Also does your program enforce 8x8 for color, and 8x16 for mono? -tim ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 85 Thu Apr 16, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 20:32 EDT J.EIDSVOOG John, The good news is that I've tried all weekend and have not been able to duplicate the problem with the WARP 9 CP at all. I have no idea what I was doing when it occurred last week; IF it should ever rear its ugly head again, I will be sure to write it down. I've also tried the suggestion to use PRINT BIOS with That's Write and had no problem whatsoever with those horrid little bombs! So, that is definitely the way to go; PRINT DIRECT will not work. I don't understand the technical stuff behind it, but as long as it works, I'm happy. Thanks to everyone for all their generous help.....it's really appreciated. Anna ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 86 Thu Apr 16, 1992 S.SMITH65 at 22:05 EDT My Gawd! The ST's Most Ill-Behaved Program, GFA Raytrace actually runs under Warp 9! 512 color mode, Split low and medium rez on the same screen, and moving back and forth between rez'es in the edit/ render cycle... Warp 9 really helps the quad view wireframe editor when there's alot of objects to redraw. Thank you, thank you. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 87 Thu Apr 16, 1992 V.GARDNER1 [MIKE] at 22:08 EDT John, Charles, [CODEHEADS] I am using Warp 9 with the following programs. Every time I exit the Warp 9 Customizer I a message on the screen saying "APPLICATON EXITED STATUS 1". Every thing appears to opperate normally be for and after the message appears. What does it mean? Auto POOLFIX3 STE_FIX FOLDR50 (EXTRA FOLDERS) PINHEAD 2.1 WARP 9 (QST 3.5) RTC_CHCK (CHECKS Real Time Clock) CAL62A (Calender Display/check) ACCs CAL62A (Calender) NEOPIC (Random background pictures) WARP 9 CP CLOCK (clock display on desktop) PRINTER QUEUE (NeoDesk printer control) NEOCONTROL (NeoDesk control panel) AUTORUN NeoLoad 3.02 1040STe TOS 1.6 2mb. RTC (Real Time Clock Cartrige) Thank you, Mike PS. FASTBIT "ON" in everything. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 88 Thu Apr 16, 1992 R.GLOVER3 [Rob] at 22:51 EDT Someone on Usenet today says that UIS III doesn't work well with Warp 9. Any comments on this? Or is he setting something up wrong? Rob ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 90 Fri Apr 17, 1992 CHERRY.FONTS [Todd] at 02:00 EDT Wayne, You got 50 Bazillion? Geeze, mine topped out at 200 Godzillion. What version of TOS are you running? And where'd you get all the extra DA's? Rob Glover, Warp 9 works just fine with UIS III. I've used that combo since beta- testing began on Warp-9. Any details on the apparent problem? It's possible someone uses UIS III in a way that hasn't been fully tested with Warp-9, but I honestly doubt it. There's also a few different versions of UIS III out there too. If you can find something specific for me to test, I'd be glad to give it a shot. ..Todd ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 91 Fri Apr 17, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 10:08 EDT HELP. Finally got my copy of Warp 9, and in spite of some installation problems with MultiDesk upgrade to 3.4, I got Warp 9 working, and generally like it a lot, but. I seem to have a problem with scrolling in STalker 3. There is an annoying flashing, and color ghosting. This seems to affect STalker worst of all, but is also present in other GEM programs that scroll the screen. The constant strobing is very distracting. I tried turning GDOS off, and using various fonts, with no help. If I can't resolve this problem, I won't be able to use Warp 9. This is all the more annoying since the program performs very well in all other respects. Ron ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 92 Fri Apr 17, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 10:53 EDT HELP. Seems that Warp 9 doesn't accelerate STalker 3.0x. I get the same ugly smeary, slow scrolling, slow writing with as without Warp 9. TurboST and QuickST 2.21 both worked.... What am I doing wrong? Ron ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 93 Fri Apr 17, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 13:54 EDT Some versions of UIS III do not follow the trap #2 stealing technique correctly. If you're using one of these versions, you should either swap the order with Warp 9 in your AUTO folder, or get a new version from A&D. Ron Hunter, I'll let Charles answer your questions. He _loves_ talking to you about ugly, color smearing. <grin> Mike Gardner, That message, "Application exited status 1", means that you're using Neodesk <grin>. The Warp 9 Customizer is terminating with a parameter of "1" and Neodesk is reporting this to you. If you don't want to see this report, go to your Neodesk "Set Preferences" and set "Report Status #s" to "None". I hope you'll appreciate that I had to actually _run_ Neodesk to verify this procedure for you. I'm all better now, though. <grin> John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 94 Fri Apr 17, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 17:49 EDT John, Yeah, I am SURE he does, all of which doesn't explain why STalker is the doing this. Actually, perhaps is DOES, or would if all .ACCs did it, but this isn't the case, exactly. STalker run as a .PRG file does it too. Gotta do some more testing, but this really burns my behind. Great program that seems to work with everything except the program that I ue for 90% of my work. Some timings: 1040ST 4 meg MDD ICD AdSpeed 16 mhz. TurboST/QuickST2.21 Warp 9 1 597 586 2 3239 3141 3 137 137 4 407 646 As you can see, Warp 9 is substantially faster on the GEM Dialog test, and the other differences are well within the variations of the test. I REALLY would like to have this extra speed, as well as the fonts, and backgrounds, but NOT at the expense of color smear and slow scrolling in GEM windows. I am back to QuickST 2.21 and TurboST 1.84 (yes, they work together). Sigh. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 95 Fri Apr 17, 1992 T.YURICK [T.YURICK] at 18:36 EDT Charles... I received Warp 9 today and I am very impressed. I have had some problems though. At one point during installation, all of the text in the Warp 9 ACC turned into garbage. The only way I could get it back to normal was a cold boot. It hasn't happened again...yet. I have also noticed that sometimes the pull down menus appear when selected but I have to reselect them before they will go away (is this understandable?) rather than just being able to click outside them. It's as if the desktop doesn't know they're showing. I like the Accelerator in Warp 9, but I really use the screensaver in the Atari CPX alot. I'd like to use both if possible. Any idea why the menus exhibit this? Also, did you do the cover of the manual with DTP tools? How did you do the fountain fill on the cover? Is the grid on the back cover an EPS from ARTBEATS? I have been thinking about getting some of their stuff and was wondering if thats what you used. Just curious. Regards, Tom ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 96 Fri Apr 17, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 19:53 EDT I've had no problems with UIS III and Warp 9. Ken d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 97 Fri Apr 17, 1992 L.BUDNICK [Lorne] at 21:10 EDT Charles, Received Warp 9 yesterday. I must say that it is another shining example of CodeHead Software products. Excellent! Thanks Much! BTW, I believe I have discovered one piece of software so far, that seems to have a problem working with the Block & Jump functions activated. With these functions active, Pha$ar 4.01 will not allow access to the Menu bar. Strange! It does run fine with acceleration though. This is the only problem I have noticed so far. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 98 Sat Apr 18, 1992 R.GLOVER3 [Rob] at 00:19 EDT Ron: Yeah, I noticed the same thing with QST3 and STalker, so I went back to Turbo ST. Strange. Rob ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 99 Sat Apr 18, 1992 S.SMITH65 at 00:29 EDT RE: Color ghosting: one workaround to this problem is to set your desktop colors to very light pastel shades that are close to pure white, and it becomes a non issue. The standard desktop green is annoying indeed, if you're a masochist try bright yellow.... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 102 Sat Apr 18, 1992 T.BUSHAW [Tom@Quidnunc] at 01:35 EDT Another data point on the UIS/Warp 9 issue: I put UIS (Version 3.1) into the AUTO folder after (chronologically) Warp 9. Both seemed to run okay on reboot (things _were_ accelerated), but when I tried to access the Warp 9 Accessory, I got a "Warp 9 not installed" Alert Box. Then I tried putting UIS into the AUTO folder BEFORE (again, chronologically) Warp 9, rebooted, and everything worked dandy... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 103 Sat Apr 18, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 05:34 EDT Regarding the UIS issue, if you are using a version of UIS that requires particular placement in the AUTO folder, you should update it for a correctly working version. It is _not_ operating properly, even though it may seem to work OK when it is swapped with Warp 9. It will still cut other resident handlers out of the trap #2 vector. The symptoms of this may not be immediately obvious, but may exhibit themselves in many ways, including random unexplained crashes. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 104 Sat Apr 18, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 09:17 EDT S.SMITH65. No thanks. If I wanted a white screen, I would have a monochrome monitor. Methinks the CodeHeads need a beta-tester with a color monitor... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 105 Sat Apr 18, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 12:43 EDT Tom@Quidnunc, As John has mentioned, you need to update your UIS 3 to the latest version. The problem you solved by swapping AUTO folder order is a problem in that version of UIS 3 -- it was not following the trap #2 vector-stealing protocol we outlined in our "11 Commandments." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ron, The color "smearing" you're complaining about has nothing to do with Warp 9. If I'm not mistaken, you've already discovered this for yourself -- you did say you removed Warp 9 and the "problem" persisted, right? (So I have to wonder why you're still complaining to us?) STalker is using the system's raster copy functions to scroll its window; you're seeing what happens when TOS executes a raster copy call. The current version of Warp 9 does not handle these calls; it may in a future update. In the meantime, it might be best if you speak to the programmer whose work exhibits the "problem." There are tricks that can be used to get around the "smearing." (Tricks like I used in MaxiFile's text viewer.) P.S. Thanks for the offer, but we do have beta testers with color monitors already... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, the "smearing" Ron is talking about is _not_ something that trashes your screen display, or causes any other problem of any kind. It's a very transitory "flicker" that occurs only when a program like STalker uses the TOS raster copy functions to scroll a window -- it is only noticeable in color resolutions, and only on unaccelerated machines without blitters. It seems to bother some folks more than others. :) And it has nothing to do with Warp 9. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 106 Sat Apr 18, 1992 S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] at 15:48 EDT J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead], Thanks for replying to my questions. I guess that you can consider me a "number-watcher" when it comes to benchmarking, but like I said WARP 9 does look faster than QST and that is all that does matter to me! I just thought that I would mention it to you (the number comparrison) although I know that the numbers are not what really counts....it is the outcome that matters most. As for DC Shower I will have to try it some more with WARP 9. I never used 'Q' or 'UNDO' to exit a text file, but instead did a left and right mouse click (I also have TOS 1.4 if it matters). If there is one bug (I hate to use that word) that you would like to check out, it is a minor (cosmetic) problem with Interlink. When first loading Interlink with Warp 9 the main background fill 'should' be a SOLID pattern, but a strange looking fill pattern fills that area instead. It also fills certain areas of other programs when they are run from Interlink. This problem also exsisted with QST. It has not caused a crash or any damage that I know of, but thought I would let you know in case it can be fixed. THANKS!! P.S. I vote to also include Buttonfix.ACC into the WARPCP.ACC. Also I use MACCEL.PRG, but now just for the screen saver, could you add a screen saver to the WARPCP.ACC too? And can you make it cook dinner, wash the dishes...am I asking too much? <grin> ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 107 Sat Apr 18, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 16:57 EDT John, No Quick speed test (whatever it's called) on my Warp 9 disk. You say you'll provide a copy? Please! Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 108 Sat Apr 18, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 17:42 EDT Lorne, I noted the same thing, and reported it here. The CodeHeads responded that programs that use the menu bar a certain way or those that require use of the right mouse button won't work. Apparently the only thing to do is turn off the mouse functions. Ken Van Dellen d8^)' ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 109 Sat Apr 18, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 19:58 EDT The Interlink problem is very puzzling (Interlink's background is filled with half-Fujis). We knew about this problem with Quick ST and it was one of the first things that Charles fixed in Warp 9. Neither of us can reproduce this phenomenon on any of the TOS versions we've tried. Even so, we've now had two reports of the problem since releasing Warp 9. If anyone can shed some light on this subject so we can derive the missing link, we'd appreciate it very much. Perhaps there's another piece of resident software involved that we don't have installed. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 110 Sat Apr 18, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 20:08 EDT We cannot guarantee that the mouse effects will work in every program. All Warp 9 can do is attempt to handle the mouse in the manner you've chosen. If there is interference in programs, there's simple nothing that can be done about it. Warp 9 is handling its end properly. The upcoming free upgrade patch to Warp 9 will include a more configurable disable feature. This will allow you to selectively disable the mouse effects without disabling Warp 9's speed. This is the best solution we can provide. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 111 Sat Apr 18, 1992 B.STRINGER at 20:55 EDT Seems that removing "POOLFIX4.PRG" from my auto folder has cured the unreliable configuration setting problem that I reported. Thanks for your help! Bruce J. Stringer, M.D. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 112 Sat Apr 18, 1992 D.D.MARTIN at 21:13 EDT GNOX -- Hotsaver does invert the screen? Well, heck... I didn't know that. Guess I didn't wade through the full manual and all the addendums...sheesh... thanks!!! Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 113 Sat Apr 18, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:21 EDT > >Ron, > > The color "smearing" you're complaining about has nothing to do with Warp 9. >If I'm not mistaken, you've already discovered this for yourself -- you did >say you removed Warp 9 and the "problem" persisted, right? (So I have to >wonder why you're still complaining to us?) > > STalker is using the system's raster copy functions to scroll its window; >you're seeing what happens when TOS executes a raster copy call. The current >version of Warp 9 does not handle these calls; it may in a future update. > > In the meantime, it might be best if you speak to the programmer whose work >exhibits the "problem." There are tricks that can be used to get around the >"smearing." (Tricks like I used in MaxiFile's text viewer.) > >P.S. Thanks for the offer, but we do have beta testers with color monitors >already... > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, the "smearing" Ron is talking about is >_not_ something that trashes your screen display, or causes any other problem >of any kind. It's a very transitory "flicker" that occurs only when a program >like STalker uses the TOS raster copy functions to scroll a window -- it is >only noticeable in color resolutions, and only on unaccelerated machines >without blitters. It seems to bother some folks more than others. :) And it >has nothing to do with Warp 9. > >- Charles > >---------- Charles, WRONG. This is a 16mhz AdSpeed equiped machine. TurboST 1.84 does NOT have the problem, although Quick ST 2.2 does, as does Warp 9. I can't believe ANYONE can tolerate this type of scrolling smear. Its worse than the LCD smear on a laptop. I know there are ways around the problem in the application software, but getting ONE program to fix it for ALL programs (as TurboST does) is much simpler than trying to get umpteen programmers to fix it for all the programs. I can't believe that your beta-testers didn't mention this problem, or perhaps they all have blitters.. It's back to TurboST for me, sadly, because even though I LOVE the other features of Warp 9, I can't tolerate this 'little problem'. I suppose that it is ok to sell the Warp 9 package to someone with a blitter....? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 114 Sat Apr 18, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:50 EDT Bruce, I don't believe that removing POOLFIX4 should be considered a 'fix' for anything. It will likely cause serious problems with other things later. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 115 Sun Apr 19, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 01:12 EDT Ron, I am not wrong. This is not a problem in Warp 9; it's a feature that Warp 9 doesn't have. This is different from a "problem," Ron. Warp 9 is NOT causing any problems; the "smearing" you find intolerable is simply the way the machine works, in its normal state -- WITH or WITHOUT Warp 9 installed. Turbo ST handles raster copy calls. Warp 9 does not. Turbo ST is enhancing an aspect of TOS that Warp 9 is not. (But it evens out, because Warp 9 enhances other aspects that Turbo ST doesn't.) As I said, we're considering adding raster copy code to a future update of Warp 9; but this is definitely not a trivial task, and not something that can be easily knocked out in a week or two. I know it's impossible for you to believe, Ron, but some people do not find this "smearing" intolerable at all. After all, this is what an Atari computer does, out of the box. (Saying that it's worse than "LCD smear on a laptop" is absurd.) Warp 9 does not "improve" this aspect of TOS (yet), but it is NOT causing any problem of any kind. Please stop insisting that it is. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 116 Sun Apr 19, 1992 CHAZ at 03:10 EDT STalker and Warp 9 get along without any smearing on my color TT. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 118 Sun Apr 19, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 09:41 EDT Thanks...I've turned MACCEL off as I saw no reason to have it any more now that WARP 9 is the only way to go. Anna ----- Tim, I like the idea of configuring Aladdin v2.0 to use or not use "VDI". ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 121 Sun Apr 19, 1992 J.NESS [Jim] at 11:20 EDT Even WITH the blitter, I can see some amount of the smearing. I guess what happens is that each color plane is moved individually, so on my medium rez monitor, even with the blitter, I can see very brief flashes of red with each scroll, in STalker and some other programs. I don't see any blue or green, but that might just be me. I have never found it particularly annoying, though. Maybe because the blitter minimizes it. I'll have to try turning off the blitter. All told, Warp 9 does its job very well. Charles' customizer does everything that Robert Birmingham's did for QST, and I like being able to change fill patterns every few weeks. I've tried some of the replacement fonts, and am not real satisfied with any of them, but that is because of the limitations of the med rez monitor. You can't do much with a 8x8 matrix. Personally, at the $20 upgrade price, I think I ripped them off. Next is the DC Desktop upgrade to TEC/TOS206. By the way, the DC Show features of DC Desktop have no problem whatsoever with Warp 9. I wonder what the difference is with DC Shower? -JN ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 122 Sun Apr 19, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 12:31 EDT Bruce, Removing POOLFIX4 solved a problem with Warp 9??? That doesn't sound right. I'd highly recommend that you investigate further. Warp 9 and Poolfix get along just fine, and if you've got TOS 1.04 you'd better use Poolfix or you will definitely have problems down the line. DD, Yes HotSaver does have some docs, but they're all in one place...no addendum. <grin> Ron, Yes, you can sell Warp 9 to someone with a blitter (or with any kind of a machine). I urge you to do this, since it will make you _and_ us happy. Jim Ness, The customizer is still written by Robert Birmingham. This is mentioned both in the manual and on the main screen of the customizer. We had him rewrite it for Warp 9, and he's done an excellent job. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 123 Sun Apr 19, 1992 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 13:39 EDT Ron- you need a blitter! With W9 on and blitter on, the smearing is unnoticeable. (With blitter on and W9 off, it's still unnoticeable) When it's real noticeable is when the blitter is off. (I have a 1040STe) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 124 Sun Apr 19, 1992 C.MACLEOD2 [Cam MacLeod] at 13:48 EDT John, I too am having the Interlink half-fuji problem. I have narrowed it down to Warp 9 (although only in Med rez..High res is fine). I eliminated all other AUTOs and Accessories and just ran with ICD boot 5.5. Weird. Everything else is great. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 125 Sun Apr 19, 1992 D.D.MARTIN at 13:59 EDT JOHN E. -- >Yes, HotSaver does have some docs, but they're all in one place...no addendum. Oh goodie, now I can put HotSaver back in my system! I have this stack of CodeHead manuals with a rubberband around them and will make it my Sunday afternoon project to locate the docs on HotSaver. It will be an all afternoon project because every time I start reading the docs on _one_ CodeHead product, it leads me to another neat trick, and another and another... <g>. Happy Easter to Da CodeHeads! and all all da CodeHead fans! Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 126 Sun Apr 19, 1992 A.KELLOGG2 [Flakes] at 14:18 EDT If there are any musicians here I'd appreciate it if you could tell me how well W9 works with MIDI software programs, especially Dr. T's OMEGA, XoR etc. The XoR program in particular has to redraw the screen every time you edit a patch and it would be nice to have something that speeded up this process. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 128 Sun Apr 19, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 19:30 EDT Anna, The Warp 9 mouse accelerator is great, once you get the right values in the definitions, but MACCEL also has a screen saver, which isn't in Warp 9, so you might want to still use that aspect of it. I believe it can be configured with the mouse accelerator disabled, if you still want the screen saver, or you can use one of the multitude of OTHER screen savers, including HotSaver, not to slight anyone... Jim, I am sure that part of the reason I find the color smearing so annoying is the choice of primary colors for my color pallette. I have thought of a possible 'dodge' to compensate for the smear, and will get back to everyone after I try it. If it works, I MAY be able to use Warp 9 after all, if it doesn't, it's for sale. Bob, Believe me, I would love to have a blitter machine, but I don't. Wanna trade? Naww, I guess not. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 129 Sun Apr 19, 1992 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 20:21 EDT DD, I don't believe any printed docs have been distributed for Hotsaver - they're all on the Hotwire disk or whatever disk you obtained it on. Anyway, here's all you need to do to get your screen inverted every 10 seconds: 1. Install Hotsaver 1.6 in MultiDesk as a resident ACC. (Or a regular ACC slot of course.) 2. Click on its name in the MultiDesk list. 3. Click on the top button in the stack (Reserve Screen) so it's NOT selected. 4. Set your timeout and click on Set Config; sit back and watch. 5. When you're sure it's doing what you want, Save your config (and your default MultiDesk setup if you're running it that way). Of course there's lots of adjustments you can make (to the way it affects the Hotwire ledger for instance) so I do suggest you read the whole doc. By the way Hotsaver has its own topic (#26) if you need help with it. I have a special fondness for that topic because my first contact with the CodeHeads was there. If it wasn't for the help I got from John there, I wouldn't have bought Hotwire, MultiDesk, CodeKeys, C. Utilities, DeskManager, (soon) Megapaint ... maybe even Warp 9! <topic cops breathe a sigh of relief> :-) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 130 Sun Apr 19, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 21:45 EDT CHERRY.FONTS [Todd] So far the only thing I've had a problem with, as far a UIS III (v3.32) is concerned, (and I don't think Warp 9 has anything to do with it), is that UIS III doesn't seem to like Publisher 2ST. So, I just disable UIS III and opt for the "Little Green Selector". However, I did notice a problem with Interlink and Warp 9 last night but it seems to occur only with my color system. With Warp 9 enabled, Interlink's background screen is garbaged (but the dialog boxes look fine). I disabled Warp 9 and everything is alright. Anna ----- S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] Scott, thanks for posting your message about your problem with Interlink. I thought I was the only one experiencing the background problem. However, I've only noticed this on my color system. When I use my monochrome system, Interlink and Warp 9 seem to get along quite harmoniously. Anna ;-) P.S. I vote to also include Buttonfix.ACC into the WARPCP.ACC. Also I use MACCEL.PRG, but now just for the screen saver, could you add a screen saver to the WARPCP.ACC too? And can you make it cook dinner, wash the dishes...am I asking too much? <grin> ---------- AND do windows!!! (no pun intended). J.EIDSVOOG1 [Codehead] John, As mentioned above, I've had the 'Interlink' background problem too. It's happened only on my color system which has TOS 1.2. I've tried with and without Neodesk and its accessories and I still have the same problem. Aside from Neodesk, the only other programs in my AUTO folder are UIS III (v3.32), FOLDERXXX, STARTGEM, HAL9000, and Warp 9.... accessories are UIS III, Warp 9 Control Panel, Neodesk Printer Queue Abbreviator ST, and Neo Control Panel. Running with just the Atari Control Panel (not the XCONTROL) and Warp 9 Control Panel installed, evidently makes no difference; Warp 9 must be turned OFF for Interlink's background to return to normal. (This is on a 'vanilla' 1040ST with a Megafile 30 and SC1224 monitor) Hope this info will help ya! Anna ;-) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 131 Sun Apr 19, 1992 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 21:48 EDT >like STalker uses the TOS raster copy functions to scroll a window -- it is only noticeable in color resolutions, and only on unaccelerated machines without blitters. It seems to bother some folks more than others. :) And it has nothing to do with Warp 9. This little ST feature, is why Aladdin has it's own routines for scrolling, it gives me a headache to watch the color shaddowing. As for implementing it in Warp9, Im sure Charles could write the routine in a day, but hooking it into the system would be a nightmare.... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 132 Mon Apr 20, 1992 C.KERNS [Craig] at 00:22 EDT ***** Another Happy Recipient Of The Upgrade To Warp 9 ****** Tomas- I have had a similar problem as you described with Warp 9 and DC Shower. After quitting from DC Shower using both mouse buttons, instead of returning to the File Selector to choose another file I am returned to a blank screen, but I can access an invisible GEM bar and everything returns to normal after a screen redraw. I cannot duplicate it consistently, and it happens infrequently enough not to really bother me much. What really bothered me was watching the slow scroll of DC Shower on a text file when I have Warp 9 disabled while experimenting. BTW, I'm using TOS 1.2. -Craig ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 133 Mon Apr 20, 1992 T.GIRSCH [T.J.] at 00:46 EDT ICD Boot 5.5 may be your problem. I've heard horror stories about it and had some major problems with it, so I switched back down to 5.4.2 -TJ ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 134 Mon Apr 20, 1992 CHERRY.FONTS [Todd] at 03:11 EDT Anna, I've also switched from UIS to the little Green selector, but not for any reasons of incompatibility, just for a pleasant change. Too bad about the Publisher 2.0/UIS problem. Hope it gets solved. My computer is OD'ing on Codehead Software this month. I've never had to read so many manuals in my life. Never should have gone to that Toronto show. (yeah right.) Sounds like this Interlink thing is a legitimate critter! Not to worry, the Codehead's can of Raid is very large and the nozzle never seems to clog. It's very quick too. Ron Hunter, It's too bad Warp-9 didn't solve the problems you thought it would. Judging by the demand at my local dealer, you won't have any problems selling it. Especially if you work on your approach. <g> TJ, (something oddly familiar about those initials, Tom Jones I suppose.) "Horror stories" is such a harsh term for a company as reputable as ICD. How about using "rumors". I use the v5.5 booter and it doesn't seem to conflict with Warp-9 at all. I haven't seen any homocidal chainsaw maniacs either. :-) ..Todd (Johnson) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 135 Mon Apr 20, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 06:45 EDT >Even WITH the blitter, I can see some amount of the smearing. I guess what >---------- Thanks for the backup. It appears the real question here is whether the smearing bothers a particular person or not. I wasn't aware the perceptions varied so much between different observers of the same condition. ------------- ---- >TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 21:48 EDT > >This little ST feature, is why Aladdin has it's own routines for scrolling, it >gives me a headache to watch the color shaddowing. As for implementing it in >---------- Thanks Tim, it is nice to see I am not a minority of one. As for implementing it, TurboST does it, and I am not ready to admit that Charles and John can't do something that someone else already has done. Usually they do what others haven't been ABLE do to yet. Ron ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 136 Mon Apr 20, 1992 DOUG.W [ICD RT] at 07:35 EDT T.J., Huh? What sort of "horror stories" have you heard about ICDBOOT 5.5.x? If we don't know about problems, we can't fix them... --Doug @ ICD ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 137 Mon Apr 20, 1992 J.ALLEN27 [FAST TECH] at 09:40 EDT Ron, you may not have a blitter equipped machine, but you can always add a faster speedup and make the smear go away ;-) I believe the way the blitter is used to do the raster copy it delibrately does it to minimize the "effect", proving that th OS does know how to do it more plaesently, too bad the non-blitter code isn't written the same. Has anyone asked Wayne how he did it, could save some time Charles ;-) Wanna see color smear, use an ISAC board at 8Mhz, and scroll...ouch!! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 138 Mon Apr 20, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 11:01 EDT Perhaps the Interlink variable her is the version. I'm having no problem with version 1.75 on a color screen. Is anyone else having the problem with version 1.75? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 139 Mon Apr 20, 1992 JEFF.W [ST Sysop] at 12:22 EDT I just played around a bit with v1.85 of Interlink and didn't have any trouble with using it together with Warp 9. But I'm not clear on what the reported problem is. Jeez, I used to use Interlink _all the time_ and now it seems so foreign to me. I'm an avowed ST Aladdin and STalker junkie now. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 140 Mon Apr 20, 1992 TOWNS [John@Atari] at 13:35 EDT Interesting Question: Does anyone out there see the color smear (I call it Plane BLiTTing) on a machine with TOS 2.06/TOS 3.06? Just curious.. I have a machine that has TOS 3.05 and I can see Plane BLiTTing on my screen in some applications. On my machine with TOS 3.06, I don't see any Plane BLiTTing at all. BTW.. There were some optimizations done in the VDI in TOS 3.06 (I think they are in TOS 2.06 as well) that help to minimize this effect. -- John Townsend ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 141 Mon Apr 20, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 16:44 EDT T.J., ICD Boot 5.5 has problems? I haven't heard this, or had any problems. What kind of problems were you having? Does ICD know about this? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 143 Mon Apr 20, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:10 EDT >MACCEL.PRG, but now just for the screen saver, could you add a screen saver to >the WARPCP.ACC too? And can you make it cook dinner, wash the dishes...am I Anna, HotSaver is available as a shareware program I believe in the files here. It may not be the latest version, but it will save the screen and allow you to get rid of Maccel. I have the latest version since it comes with HotWire but I don't know if the latest version is also available as shareware. I'm sure John and Charles will correct me if I've gone and put my foot in my mouth again. :-) Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 146 Mon Apr 20, 1992 F.TOBIASSEN at 21:28 EDT I got WARP 9 and installed it last night on my MEGA STE. There was increases in performance over TURBO ST. I ran into a very strange problem with Multidesk Deluxe 3.4. My configuration: MEGA STE (4 megs, TOS 2.05) AUTO folder (PINHEAD, MACCEL3, UIS 3, ICDTIME, G+PLUS, WARP 9) ACCESSORIES (Multidesk Deluxe, Maxifile 3, Atari Extensile Control Panel) NEODESK is installed as an AUTO application After booting up and coming up in NEODESK, I exit NEODESK and return to GEM. After trying to execute a program or display a file my system responds with 'SYSTEM OUT OF MEMORY' message. This Problem does not exist with Multidesk Deluxe 3.4 removed from the system. It does not occur when NEODESK is not auto-loaded either ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 147 Mon Apr 20, 1992 R.GIERL [Rick] at 21:45 EDT TJ - I also wonder about "horror stories" about ICD 5.5. I've been using it exclusively since it came out without a single problem. All rumors I have heard where possible blame was put on 5.5 ended up being problems completely unrelated to the ICD software, period. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 148 Mon Apr 20, 1992 P.GRIFFITH2 [PGRIF] at 22:43 EDT I am curious about the "horror" stories concerning ICD Boot 5.50. I have used it since it came out and have had no problems(that I know of.)Since this is not the right area for this topic, perhaps you could share some details in the ICD, or hard drive areas on Genie. Thanks Paul ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 149 Mon Apr 20, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 22:45 EDT Ron, I should be a little more specific. We definitely _are_ working on adding the raster copy functions to Warp 9. Thanks for reporting the color smear business; we might have missed it if you hadn't pitched a fit. :) - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 150 Mon Apr 20, 1992 OUTRIDER [Terry @ T2] at 23:48 EDT Has anyone tried the software BLiTTER emulator? Does it actually work? - Terry - ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 151 Tue Apr 21, 1992 J.ENOS [JENOS] at 00:00 EDT Question: I have ICD Boot 5.5, and haven't been able to blame it for any problems I've seen. I have TOS 1.4, Mega ST4, Maxtor, Syquest, and lots of software. What "horror stories" and what "major problems"? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 152 Tue Apr 21, 1992 MUSE [Tomas] at 03:10 EDT Craig, The problem you describe sounds slightly different in terms of actual symptoms but it may be related. It's interesting that I found no trouble with TOS 1.2. I kinda miss DC Shower because the scrolling of text in TOS 2.06 is slightly flawed. All, I have prepared two default fonts for use with the WARP9_CP.ACC that solve the problem of not having the correct special symbols for the GEM windows such as the close box, checkmark, Fuji, Bob, arrows and so forth. I'll upload these if anyone expresses an interest. The LZH file includes medium rez and high rez fonts. It's a tiny file, 3588k. You want it? ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 153 Tue Apr 21, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 06:23 EDT Jim, Faster speedup? Was that a commercial? Grin. How fast? T25, TinyTurbo? I would LOVE to get the TinyT, but I am about $599 short right now. Maybe later. Dorothy, Huh? You must either have a two color standard display scheme, or you need a visit to the opthamologist. I was able to get rid of the smear by defining only two colors on the control panel, but there was still enough flicker to be annoying as the raster was erased from one location and redrawn. Also, with only two colors, some things just didn't look very good, and I couldn't tell which dialer entries I had selected in STalker... Charles, Thanks. I appreciate that answer. It is the one I was expecting/hoping to see in the first place. If the upgrade is something I can expect in the reasonably near future, I will just hang on and wait. As long as we aren't talking like Atari and their RSN. Grin. Still wondering about the problem with getting the MultiDesk 3.3 to 3.4 upgrade to work. Might upping the Pinhead DAT *.* 32 to *.*64 help, or is there something else? I KNOW I have seen the symptom (unable to open workstation) before, but can't remember WHY. Really a moot question right now, since I wasn't having any trouble with 3.3, but it is an unresolved question.. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 154 Tue Apr 21, 1992 R.GLOVER3 [Rob] at 18:25 EDT I finally had the opportunity to test a friend's copy of Warp 9 on my machine. I have noticed NO smearing effect whatsoever in STalker. My colors are: "Colorado Blue Spruce green" on the desktop, "Blue-Gray" "White" and "Black" for the others. My order is in the mail for MY copy of Warp 9. The mouse accelerator is AWESOME! Rob ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 155 Tue Apr 21, 1992 S.GILBERT5 [Steve] at 19:04 EDT John, The alternate Background that people are experiencing is not new to Warp 9, The same background pattern appeared with Quick ST 3.x and Interlink. I am using version 1.85 on a TT with TOS 3.6 I did get the same pattern while using EMPIRE last night ( as long as I was in ST medium rez.... ) and it did not appear when using Quick ST... I never really thought of it as a bug though.... Always thought it was an undocumented feature that Derek added. Steve ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 156 Tue Apr 21, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:41 EDT > MEGA STE (4 megs, TOS 2.05) > AUTO folder (PINHEAD, MACCEL3, UIS 3, ICDTIME, G+PLUS, WARP 9) > ACCESSORIES (Multidesk Deluxe, Maxifile 3, Atari Extensile Control Panel) >NEODESK is installed as an AUTO application Hmmmm I don't see NEOLOAD.PRG in that Auto folder. It MUST be there or you definately will have problems with MultiDesk Deluxe either while you're in NeoDesk, or once you exit from NeoDesk. Also NEOLOAD can be a buggaboo about it's position in the AUTO folder. You may have to fiddle with it's position in order to get it to work with other stuff you have in the Auto folder although it doesn't look like you have very much compared to mine. :-) I don't use Maccel3 any more, and haven't gotten my Warp 9 yet, but NEOLOAD is after Pinhead, ICDTIME (suggest you use TIMESET instead), and UIS on my system with no problems. IMHO you should be using TIMESET instead of ICDTIME. I only use ICDTIME when I want to change the time/date in my ICD controller. When your machine bombs, or you run certain programs that mess up the clock you can get the time/date messed up in your ICD controller since it changes to the same as in the ST. Sometimes when a program bombs it will mess up the clock and also trash the time/date in your ICD clock if you use ICDTIME. Timeset just puts the time from your ICD clock into the ST and then goes away. I got tired of having my ICD clock messed up sometimes when my system locked up, bombed, or I ran a program that had bugs which messed up the time/date. --------------------- John, Charles, Are you caught up with the Warp 9 updates yet? If not what date are you up to on the orders which came in? I won't ask you to look for my info since I know the date I mailed it, and the date would probably help more people. Besides I'd hate for you to take the time out from mailing my copy just to look and see if you'd alread mailed it. :-) Of course now having said that I'll get it tomorrow. <g> Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 158 Tue Apr 21, 1992 J.SCHUMANN5 [JOHN S] at 21:35 EDT John, Warp 9 installed and running great! One problem I have encountered occurs when I change a filename from the desktop. If the first letter changed corresponds to one assigned to start a program in hotwire it runs right after the filename is changed! Example, I have Phasar assigned to "P" and Calendar to "C". When I change a filename from CALC.AXX to CALC.APC Phasar would run because "P" was pressed first. Removed Warp 9 and the problem goes away. Reinstalled and the problem returns. Does not occur from Maxifile. Any Suggestions? John S ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 159 Tue Apr 21, 1992 C.MACLEOD2 [Cam MacLeod] at 21:36 EDT John I am using Interlink 1.85 and get the weirdo-fujis. TOS 2.05. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 160 Tue Apr 21, 1992 M.TETZLAFF [ Mike ] at 21:45 EDT I notice that folks are using Pinhead on Mega STe's. Is it faster/better that setting the fastload bit? I haven't bothered to install Pinhead as I thought the fastbit thing was supposed to correct the problem. Mike T. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 161 Tue Apr 21, 1992 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:44 EDT Tomas, 3588k??????????? That's 3.5 megs. Maybe you mean 3588 bytes? If so, please send it up. Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 162 Tue Apr 21, 1992 D.D.MARTIN at 22:46 EDT Mike.. good question. I'd like to know too. I set the fastbits but didn't install Pinhead on my MSTE-4 Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 163 Tue Apr 21, 1992 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:58 EDT Wayne, The latest ICD software does away with the need for the clock-setter. It's done by the ICDBOOT.SYS (or .PRG) at bootup. You're right about the need for Neoload in the auto folder, and it's not just so that MDD will behave with NeoDesk. The NeoDesk manual makes it fairly clear, although I wish it (and the manual) were a lot more specific. Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 164 Tue Apr 21, 1992 R.GLOVER3 [Rob] at 23:11 EDT I noticed a bug in Warp 9. When I double-click on a Degas picture from Neodesk to display it, and then hit a key to get back to Neodesk, I get two bombs. The same thing happened with Quick ST3. Is anyone else having this problem, or do I need to perform a witch hunt on my AUTO folder? Rob ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 165 Tue Apr 21, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 23:12 EDT Doug, Silly me! I forgot all about that. I have it configured that way, I just never took TIMESET out of my Auto folder. DUH! Thanks, Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 166 Wed Apr 22, 1992 V.GARDNER1 [MIKE] at 00:23 EDT Codies, I have Warp 9 installed most of the time. I found that Breach II does not get along with Warp 9. I know that Breach II does some funny things, like switch back and forth between low & med res. Just a report. Mike ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 167 Wed Apr 22, 1992 V.GARDNER1 [MIKE] at 01:08 EDT Rob, I had that problem with the bombs with QST 3.03 but not with Warp 9. Maybe QST is still in your system? BTW I use NeoDesk 3.02. Al and Wayne, In TOS 1.06 and newer you can use GEM to auto load NeoDesk with out bothering with folders. I hope this helps with your applications. Mike ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 168 Wed Apr 22, 1992 D.LEMAY2 [Darwin] at 01:26 EDT TIM PURVES. Can't you just get the pointer to the font table, and then do your fast text routine using that pointer rather than the hardwired rom font pointer you seem to be using. Is this another of those line-a variables that's going away? You must be using a hard coded pointer, aren't you? I mentioned this problem back when Aladdin first came out in relation to Harlekin's font replacement. I guess in the flurry of messages then, you missed it. John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca On Genie c.o D.LEMAY2 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 169 Wed Apr 22, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 03:20 EDT The latest version of HotSaver, 1.6, is in the library here. Ron, I hope your definition of "reasonably near future" allows us at least 48 hours! <grin> F.Tobiassen, The only reliable way to auto-start a program is with HotWire. If you use STARTGEM (TOS 1.0-1.2) or the auto-start feature of TOS 1.4+, you may have problems because neither method necessarily waits until all of the ACCs are finished loading. I guarantee you that your problems will disappear if you disable the auto-starting of Neodesk and run it from the desktop as a program. (I only give this same advice an average of two times a day on the phone. I wish someone would fix this. The problem has plagued us for years.) John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 170 Wed Apr 22, 1992 MUSE [Tomas] at 03:37 EDT Wayne, > Are you caught up with the Warp 9 updates yet? It depends on what you call "caught up." I have a couple of boxes of mail next to my desk and I've been whittling it down steadily. Of course, more orders are arriving daily. In general, if you mailed in for your update within the last couple of weeks it is likely that it has not yet been processed. On the other hand, my public announcements tend toward the conservative. <g> Al, Ooops! Yes it's bytes, not "k" and up it goes. ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 171 Wed Apr 22, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:36 EDT John Schumanns, The symptoms you describe (HotWire running programs at the wrong time) are caused by HotWire getting cut out of the trap #2 routine. Make sure you are at least running HotWire 2.0 (which was released 2-1/2 years ago). Otherwise, the problem sounds suspiciously like the same old UIS problem. Remove it and see if your problem disappears. If so, change the order of HotWire, UIS, and/or Warp 9. And by all means, everyone with this problem, PLEASE, get an update to UIS. All of our programs get along fine together as far as the trap #2 routine is concerned. After all, we wrote the book on it. <grin> Wayne, We are currently about two weeks behind with Warp 9, and hope to catch up by the end of the week. Tomas and I are working overtime trying to get them out. We're not doing so well with the TECs. They're about 6 weeks behind. The ROM chips have been very slow in coming. We did ship out 15-20 TECs today, however, and hope to have a bunch more out by the end of the week. Rob, Try disabling the auto-starting of Neodesk and see if your problem disappears. Auto-starting is unreliable unless you're doing it with HotWire. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 172 Wed Apr 22, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 05:53 EDT Mike, I may be corrected by Charles or John, but; Pinhead and the fastload bit do sort-a the same thing, but not exactly. You can use PinHead with the Fastload bit and you do gain some additional speed. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 173 Wed Apr 22, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 07:00 EDT Rob, I just returned from viewing a PI3 picture from NeoDesk 3.02 and did not get any bombs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tomas, an idea, in regards to the shipping of newly released products, how about on Friday you make note of the arrival date of the last request and to post that information. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 174 Wed Apr 22, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 07:07 EDT Mike, FASTBIT isn't quite as fast as Pinhead (according to the CodeHeads), and setting the FASTBIT is something you must do manually, and must remember to do for all new files you get. Also, there is no easy way to handle those programs that will fast load, but must have more ram cleared, but not ALL ram. Pinhead handles all these situations transparently. Al, If I remember the NeoDesk manual correctly, it stressed the need for Neoload with ANY large .ACC that might do more than an internal initialization. The problem seems to be that the .ACCs aren't finished with their setup before the Desktop loads, leaving it without information it needs. (an oversimplification, I am sure). John, 48 hours sounds ok. Grin. Actually, I could wait a whole week, since that's how long Charles said the code might take. I waited for 3 weeks for Warp 9 to arrive, an upgrade wouldn't be expected before then, anyway. I am patient, I just want it the WAY I want it. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 175 Wed Apr 22, 1992 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 17:33 EDT >D.LEMAY2 [Darwin] at 01:26 EDT > > Can't you just get the pointer to the font table, and then do your fast text routine using that pointer rather than the hardwired rom font pointer you seem to be using. Is this another of those line-a variables that's going away? Aladdin has an internal font table, It was added when Atari said NO MORE A- LINE, but it appears that A-LINE is still alive and kicking. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 177 Wed Apr 22, 1992 R.IRBY2 [Roy] at 19:04 EDT Is there any way, short of swapping between CNF files, to make Warp 9 default to a certain settings to match the resolution you're working in (e.g. mouse accel. selection, bkground pics on/off, etc.) ?? Roy. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 178 Wed Apr 22, 1992 J.SCHUMANN5 [JOHN S] at 20:44 EDT John, I don't have UIS installed. Tried swapping Hotwire & Warp 9 order but still does the same thing. In my auto folder I have a clock setter, Pinhead (2.1), Warp 9, Hotwire (3.0), Cshow (6.2a), LG selector, and Mouse accel. What else should I check? John S ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 179 Wed Apr 22, 1992 OUTRIDER [Terry @ T2] at 21:43 EDT Joe Meehan, If I'm not mistaken, setting your fastload bit AND running PinHead is the same as just running PinHead. As I understand it, PinHead replaces TOS' memory clearing routines, not unlike how Warp 9 replaces screen writing routines. So your fastload bit is IGNORED when PinHead is installed. - Terry - ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 180 Wed Apr 22, 1992 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 21:47 EDT Codeheads, I just find my QuickST II disk, serial #14851, what is the cost of the upgrade to Warp 9, and how do I get it? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 181 Wed Apr 22, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 22:12 EDT Tomas, John, My update for Warp 9 did indeed go in a couple weeks ago (mailed 4/10 to be exact, I just looked) so I'll keep my eye out for it. There is one good thing about the delay, it means the 'Heads' are busy selling product! :) >Auto-starting is unreliable unless you're doing it with HotWire. That must be the understatement of the century! :-) With the # of Da's, stuff in MDD, and autoboot programs I use the odds of getting TOS 1.04+'s autoboot feature to work are lower than getting an honest politician. Wayne Please accept my apoligy, I know that there are laws agains using 'Honest' and 'Politician' in the same sentence. :-) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 182 Wed Apr 22, 1992 B.STRINGER at 22:36 EDT Since I removed Poolfix4.PRG from my Auto folder WARP 9 has been fine. I do have TOS 1.04 and I don't remember what POOLFIX4 was supposed to fix! I still have another bug fix file in my auto folder (TOSFIX?) I'll investigate further. Thanks Bruce Stringer ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 183 Wed Apr 22, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:57 EDT B.STRINGER. PUT POOLFIX4 BACK IN. You WILL have crashes with out it if you have TOS 1.4. Warp 9 DOES work with POOLFIX4 installed. Try reordering your AUTO folder, but keep POOLFIX4. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 186 Thu Apr 23, 1992 S.GILBERT5 [Steve] at 18:40 EDT John and Charles, Not that I am looking or anything but, I found a program that requires me to turn Warp 9 off before I can use it. The program is the HiSoft C interpreter. This is no big deal to me just thought I would let you know. Steve ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 190 Thu Apr 23, 1992 V.PATRICELL1 [Vince] at 21:46 EDT Charles & John, I also found a program that does not work properly with Warp 9 unless it is turned off before running. It is called Great Chefs by Concept Developments. I had the same problem with Quick ST 3, although the program runs fine with Turbo 1.8. Great Chefs is run under Softworks Basic runtime system v2.0 by Softworks LTD. The program will run, but all text is aligned in one column to the far right of the screen, with only one letter of each line showing. I'm not complaining, I just thought you would like to know. Thanks for a great program! ................................Vince ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 191 Thu Apr 23, 1992 V.GARDNER1 [MIKE] at 21:54 EDT Al, What is NOLOAD? I auto load NEOLOAD so I do not have to have NEOLOAD in my autofolder and so it runs after everything else. This helps me keep my NEO stuff in one folder. Mike BTW I have TOS 1.06 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 192 Thu Apr 23, 1992 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 22:01 EDT Is there any particular place in AUTO that W9 needs to be? With the old Quick ST, it had to be at the back of the AUTO folder. Is this still true? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 193 Thu Apr 23, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 22:49 EDT Bob, If you use the Warp 9 Control Panel desk accessory, it doesn't matter where the Warp 9 program runs in the AUTO folder. In fact, it's best to have it run as early as possible; I have it running right after PinHead on my system. When Warp 9 runs early in the AUTO folder, it can actually accelerate the bootup process significantly. The Control Panel desk accessory sends a special message to the resident program after everything else has loaded, telling it to reinstall itself in the exception vectors. (Sorry if I'm getting too technical -- but to boil it down, the whole point of this "reinstallation" business is to let Warp 9 operate at its optimum peak efficiency.) If you don't use the Warp 9 Control Panel, the Warp 9 program should run as close to the end of the AUTO folder as possible, so that it installs its exception vectors after everything else, and can run as fast as it can (without the extra boost provided by the Control Panel). Note that Warp 9 itself _does_not_care_ about its AUTO folder position; it can run before or after GDOS, before or after big screen drivers, etc. One of the primary goals in creating Warp 9 was to free the program from dependency on AUTO folder order, and to achieve the ultimate acceleration no matter what its AUTO position. However, some other programs may be sensitive to their position in the AUTO folder, and may need to run before or after Warp 9, for reasons of their own. The only examples I know about right now: Hisoft's AMON debugger needs to run BEFORE the Warp 9 AUTO program, and some versions of UIS 3 also need to run before Warp 9. The current version of UIS 3 (v3.3) doesn't care about its AUTO folder position; if you don't have this version, you should upgrade for full compatibility with Warp 9. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vince, Thanks for the notice on "Great Chefs." We'll add it to the list. Thankfully, the "list" is quite short so far. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 195 Thu Apr 23, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:57 EDT John Wilson, Poolfix is for Tos 1.4, and I believe TOs 1.6. Other versions don't need it, and it will display a message telling you so, and will not install. Vince, and others, That is a really strange symptom you have there. Really makes you wonder how the programmer of Great Chefs did things to have Warp 9 put things over like that... The position in the AUTO folder can significantly affect the speed of Warp 9 if you don't use the .ACC. The .ACC will give you maximum acceleration, and the improvement is really dramatic. Try the speed tests with and without the .ACC if you want to see what you get for the 17k the .ACC takes up, not to mention the control you get for it. In other words, USE THE .ACC. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 196 Fri Apr 24, 1992 B.KING8 [Brien King] at 02:26 EDT I do not understand what the deal with POOLFIX4 is... I do not use it and I have TOS 1.4 (on my Vintage 520ST) and have not had one crash (except when running some programs or doing move.l #0,3 :-)) Brien ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 197 Fri Apr 24, 1992 K.SWAFFORD [Kent] at 03:18 EDT HotWire (with WARP9 installed) will indeed run programs from the desktop "by mistake" if you type a letter into a dialog box on the GEM desktop that corresponds with an entry in the HotWire menu. I use TOS 1.04. This will happen even if HotWire and WARP9 are the only AUTO programs, AND either the WARP9_CP.ACC is resident or the WARP9CNF.PRG has been run, suggesting a problem in the re-installation routine. I have seen other times where a keypress within a program will cause HotWire to execute something upon exiting the first program, but the desktop example is easiest to repeat. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 198 Fri Apr 24, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 06:08 EDT If you use PinHead, it's best _not_ to set the fastload bit for any programs. If you do, you will not benefit from PinHead's automatic handling (which is no faster). The advantages of PinHead over fastloading are that it is automatic for all programs and accessories without having to explicitly set anything in each program, and that because it automatically skips 32K, it doesn't cause the problems with ACCs that are caused by normal "fastloading". Poolfix is for TOS 1.04 and 1.06. It WILL cause unexplained, random crashes. If you say, "I haven't had any crashes, except when running some programs", those crashes may be caused by not using Poolfix. We get a couple of calls a week from people who have never heard of Poolfix and are crashing because of it. Just today a caller said that he was crashing with just Warp 9 and GDOS installed. The only explanation could be that he was not using Poolfix (and hadn't ever heard of it). One sure way to crash is to install nothing but CodeRam on TOS 1.06, open up the RAM disk window and hit Esc. Install Poolfix and the problem will disappear, and so will other unexplained problems. USE it...if you have TOS 1.04 or 1.06. I'm always amazed at the number of problems people have with Neoload, auto- starting Neodesk, and using MultiDesk with Neodesk. Those who use HotWire instead of Neodesk don't have any of these problems, nor do they have to mess around with windows, folders, dragging things, or running out of space on the desktop. And HotWire owners can get things done much faster than any other method. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Roy, You can use Desk Manager's custom file option to copy different Warp 9 configurations for different resolutions. Tim, We've never been able to get Atari to "commit" to exactly what part of Line-A will not be supported. Logically, the only areas that will have problems are possibly some of the Line-A "routines", because there's a place where there are only four variables, one for each plane. This won't work if planes are greater than four. But instead, they took the easy way out and just said "don't use Line-A", which is a bit ridiculous. The things we tend to use from Line-A are things which should be valid forever such as horizontal and vertical resolution, number of planes, mouse position, etc. Warp 9 updates the font pointers in Line-A, so you could copy the current font into Aladdin if you want. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 199 Fri Apr 24, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 08:22 EDT >run before Warp 9. The current version of UIS 3 (v3.3) doesn't >care about its AUTO folder position; if you don't have this version, >you should upgrade for full compatibility with Warp 9. I thought that the most current version of UIS was 3.32? At least that is the version that I have. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 200 Fri Apr 24, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 19:52 EDT Charles, When you say, "Control Panel desk accessory", it sounds a little like you're speaking of a CPX, since I see Control Panel in MultiDesk Deluxe where I access the CPXs. I know that your Control Panel isn't a CPX, but it does get confusing. I'd suggest that you refer to it by its file name, WARP_9CP.ACC. Ken Van Dellen d8^) Just trying to be helpful! (Just ordered MaxiFile, too.) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 201 Fri Apr 24, 1992 D.SHORR at 19:57 EDT I'm using the Warp 9 Configuration Reader as one of my HotWire AutoStart programs. The only difference between WARP9CNF and the Control Panel accessory is that the Reader won't 'configure' your desktop picture/fill(what desktop?:)) and replacement font. If all you need is the speed, then you can save an accessory slot(and some memory) by using the Reader program. I compared CFJ's recent benchmarks with my own system(a 1040STe with an AdSpeed board). The figures were very close(that was after I clicked the 1.4 button in Quick Index;)). Dave ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 202 Fri Apr 24, 1992 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 20:09 EDT Vince, You need to create a WARP9.CNF file by using an ASCII text editor like STeno. This will allow W9 to 'deinstall' itself when you run "Great Chefs" and reinstall itself when you exit that program. See the README.350 on the W9 master disk. It's easy-5 minutes total. -Bob (who learned that trick when John Eidsvoog recommended reading the README....:) ) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 203 Fri Apr 24, 1992 J.SCHUMANN5 [JOHN S] at 20:52 EDT John, With Warp 9 and the TEC installed, if I change resolutions I get two bombs. Turning Warp 9 off with the CP does not resolve. Removing Warp 9 from the auto folder allows resolution changes. Whats going on? J.SCHUMANN5 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 204 Fri Apr 24, 1992 V.PATRICELL1 [Vince] at 21:37 EDT Bob, Thanks for the tip on the CNF file, however I have already done this. I was just informing Charles of the incompatability so he was aware of it. Thanks anyway. ................................Vince ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 205 Fri Apr 24, 1992 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:45 EDT POOLFIX4 should be FIRST in the auto folder, or, at the most, second behind TOS14FX2. I believe the Codeheads have said that the latest Pinhead can go ahead of TOS14FX2, but I'm not sure of that. Also, I hate correcting myself, since it means I need a mind-checker and not just a spell-checker, but for the record (and for the archiving of these messages -- thanks, Darlah! -- my reference to "NOLOAD" a few msgs back should be, of course, "Neoload." "Noload" sounds like something the Codeheads would create to autoload their "NOTHING.PRG"... Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 206 Fri Apr 24, 1992 S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] at 22:02 EDT CodeHead, Well seeing as I brought it up I thought that I better give you my results with Interlink and its strange fill pattern. I have TOS 1.4 (I also tried it on my brothers TOS 1.0.....same results) and also have version 1.85 of Interlink. I saw that you had version 1.75, maybe that is the factor we are looking for. I have had the same results as others. I have no trouble with Warp 9 and Interlink in MONO (only in COLOR). I have tried MANY different combinations of AUTO PRG's and ACC's and it does not matter if I use all of them or none of them, I still get the fill pattern when I run Warp 9. Without Warp 9 and the screen is fine (but extremely SLOW...obviously). I hope this helps... Also I wasn't joking when I asked if ButtonFix could be added to Warp 9 Control Panel somehow.....but one thing at a time. Thanks! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 207 Fri Apr 24, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 23:01 EDT Al, PinHead and Warp 9 can run _anywhere_ in the AUTO folder, even before POOLFIX and TOS14FIX. On my TOS 1.04 system, I have PinHead first, followed by Warp 9, followed by POOLFIX and TOS14FIX. It's best to run Warp 9 as early as possible in the AUTO folder so it can accelerate the boot process. (And use either WARP9_CP.ACC or WARP9CNF.PRG to get the extra speed boost after the desktop comes up.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scott, Unfortunately, I still cannot duplicate your problem with Interlink; I've tested it extensively in ST medium resolution with various combinations of AUTO programs and accessories. And it doesn't look like it has anything to do with the version -- Jeff Williams reports that he has Interlink 1.85, and he can't duplicate it either! At this point it's still a mystery. If I can't repeat it, I can't do anything about it. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 208 Fri Apr 24, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:22 EDT Brien, Maybe if you DID have it, you wouldn't have those crashes. Actually, it depends on how you use your machine. If you reboot often, and/or have only one floppy drive, it is unlikely you will meet the bug. If you don't reboot often (sometimes a week goes by here without a reboot), or you have a large HD with lots of activity, you WILL see the bug. Problem is, there is really no way for the average user to KNOW that the pool bug caused the crash.. But I found that without POOLFIX, I crashed about 10 times as often. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 209 Sat Apr 25, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 00:12 EDT Codeheads, I got my Warp 9 yesterday and finally had a chance to play with it today. I have to say I am very impressed!!! Even though I use it stripped down (i.e., just with the FKEY box turned on and the mouse accelerator set to 1...no fills, no pictures, no fonts), I still feel it is more than worth the price. The 'profession look' of it is almost worth the price. However, I am having one small problem. I have a program that I use every once in while that is called COMPARE.PRG (aka FCU.PRG) written by Richard Norris. It's always been a tempermental little devil, even running under TurboST. When running under TurboST, I'd execute it via the HotWire menu....going to Multidesk, turning off TurboST, coming back to HotWire and then exec- uting COMPARE.PRG. When I was done with COMPARE, I'd return to HotWire, set TurboST back to the ON state and everything was fine. Not so with Warp 9. First I tried running COMPARE via HotWire with Warp 9 turned on. I'd get three bombs and come right back to HotWire. After that the system wasn't trustable...weird and spastic things would happen. Next, I tried putting COMPARE.PRG into my WARP9.DAT file so WARP 9 would be automatically turned off when I ran COMPARE. The same results...three bombs and back to HotWire. Finally, I tried turning off WARP9 first via the accessory. Then COMPARE would run just fine. BUT it'd give me two bombs when it exited back to the desktop or HotWire...but it would run that way. Any idears? It seems that WARP9.DAT isn't turning off WARP 9 even though I put COMPARE.PRG into the listing. The following is a copy of my WARP9. DAT file (everything is left justified in the file)... W935 NOTATOR.PRG COMPARE.PRG ...Do not waste a lot of time on this as I am probably the only person in the world still using this program (there are newer programs out that do the same job, but you know what they say about 'teaching an old dog new tricks' <grin>), and I only use the program 3-6 times a year. I am more curious as to why my WARP9.DAT file is not turning off WARP 9 than any- thing else. BTW, what's the problem with WARP 9 and DCSHOWER? I have SHOWPIC, SHOWHEX and SHOWTEXT installed and they all work okay for me with WARP 9 installed. Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 210 Sat Apr 25, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 01:17 EDT Scott Holmes, I also have Interlink 1.85 and TOS 1.04, and I haven't noticed any pro- blem with Interlink. I looks/runs the same as it did under TurboST. Of course, I'm not running any fills, fonts or pictures via Warp 9. Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 212 Sat Apr 25, 1992 B.KING8 [Brien King] at 02:21 EDT Ron - Well, I have 210Megs of HD Space, run a BBS 24hrs a Day (602) 841-7196 :-> and the BBS does crash once and awhile. Usually two or three bombs. I just figured that was GFA... Hmmmm... maybe I should run POOLFIX and see how it does. I only have one floppy, but what difference would two make? Brien ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 214 Sat Apr 25, 1992 ST.REPORT [Ralph] at 07:08 EDT Lloyd, I think maybe you found the key to the Interlink thing. Perhaps one must be using a newer TOS and Warp 9. Since the newer versions of TOS allow desktop fill pattern changes... I have the same problem here with Ilink. Its ver 1.85. I am using TOS 2.06 Ralph @ STReport International Online Magazine ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 216 Sat Apr 25, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 10:16 EDT Brien, If you have a HD, DO use POOLFIX. I would bet those two and three bombs go away, just like magic. Two floppies would entail just about enough of a potential for filling the ram pool to cause the bug to appear, where one might not. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 217 Sat Apr 25, 1992 V.PATRICELL1 [Vince] at 12:02 EDT Charles, I have always used POOLFIX3 in my auto folder with TOS 1.04 because I heard along time ago that POOLFIX4 shouldn't be used. I tried to put Warp 9 before POOLFIX3 and it wouldn't install properly (a message says it must be first). Should I change to POOLFIX4? I read that this wasn't the official Atari version and Atari didn't recommend it. ................................Vince ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 218 Sat Apr 25, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 12:07 EDT No, the Interlink thing has nothing to do with the TOS version. I've been testing version 1.75 with TOS 2.06, without seeing the problem. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 219 Sat Apr 25, 1992 JEFF.W [ST Sysop] at 12:44 EDT Is the reported Interlink problem linked to using Warp 9's desktop fill feature? I haven't played with fill patterns or desktop background pictures. When I tried Interlink v1.85 with Warp 9, it was on my Mega STE4 w/TOS 2.05. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 220 Sat Apr 25, 1992 S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] at 13:01 EDT CodeHead, I can understand that if you can not duplicate the problem, you can not fix it. Although I think that it is a combination of version 1.85 and TOS 1.04. And for those that have this configuration, then they might not know what to be looking for. As one person said he thought that he thought it was a feature that Darek added to the new version of QST (which is where the problem started). I would send you a copy of my version (1.85) of Interlink to test, but you no what that is called. Intersect is planning to add some features to Interlink (someday), maybe they would be willing to give you a new version to promote Interlink again? ********************************** Lloyd, > Scott Holmes, > > I also have Interlink 1.85 and TOS 1.04, and I haven't noticed any > pro- blem with Interlink. I looks/runs the same as it did under > TurboST. Of course, I'm not running any fills, fonts or pictures via > Warp 9. I am not running any fills either when the problem occurs. Also I never had this problem with Turbo ST or early versions of QST. Something was changed in both QST (Warp 9) and Interlink that caused this problem. I am not the only one that has gotten this result. When Interlink loads up and the main screen (GEM screen) appears with the Interlink symble and the words Interlink ST appear in the middle of the screen the background (all around this box) should be a solid color (blue for me, but can be set), but instead a strange fill pattern is in its place when Warp 9 is run. Try booting with then without Warp 9 and load Interlink and see if you notice a difference. Thanks! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 221 Sat Apr 25, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 13:02 EDT Vince, The original version of POOLFIX4 did have a pretty serious bug in its reset- resident routine. (You would only encounter this bug if you had something else that hooked into the reset-resident vector -- like the CodeHead Ramdisk, for example.) If you have CodeHead Utilities Release 4, there is a special fixed version of POOLFIX4 included -- install this version and you'll be able to run POOLFIX at any point in your AUTO folder. If you have TOS 1.04, folks, you _need_ to run POOLFIX. It fixes a very real bug in the TOS memory management code. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 222 Sat Apr 25, 1992 B.STRINGER at 14:54 EDT Well, I'll try reinstalling POOLFIX4.prg into my auto folder. There is not too much in there to reorder. I have TOS!$FIX.PRG D D D D D D D D D14 C C C C C C C and RTC.PRG to read the time from my clock chip. I don't have NEOLOAD.PRG in my auto folder. I have it installed as an Auto load program from the standard desktop. So far, no problems without POOLFIX4 and Warp9 continues to configure properly. Wish me luck! Maybe you could upload the patched POOLFIX4.PRG? Thanks Bruce Stringer ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 223 Sat Apr 25, 1992 V.PATRICELL1 [Vince] at 16:24 EDT Charles, Thanks for the reply regarding POOLFIX4. Is the patched version on your Utilities disk available to be uploaded in the libraries? I have a copy in my archives or the origional version but would rather be safe and use your patched version. BTW, what is the advantage of POOLFIX4 over 3? ................................Vince ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 224 Sat Apr 25, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 16:26 EDT Scott, I just did as you asked and got the same result whether I have Warp 9 installed or not, Interlink's startup screen looks the same both ways. Both ways, my Interlink shows a solid blue color around the Interlink box. In fact, I tried it five different ways, all with the same results... 1) POOLFIX4 with no other auto prgs or acc's 2) POOLFIX4 and HOTWIRE with no other auto prgs or acc's 3) POOLFIX4 and HOTWIRE and WARP9 (auto only) with no other auto prgs or acc's. 4) POOLFIX4 and HOTWIRE and WARP9 and WARP9_CP.ACC with no other auto prgs or acc's. 5) My normal setup with 'umpteen' auto programs and accessories. ...have you tried turning off your blitter (assuming you have one) and seeing if you have the same problem? As you can see, I can't duplicate your problem. Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 225 Sat Apr 25, 1992 J.HUGHES23 [Jack ] at 17:55 EDT After reading thru this TOP over the last few days (weeks?) I may give QST3 another try, before my upgrade to Warp 9 arrives. Maybe, just maybe, its location in the file had something to do with white letters on black screen??? Doubt it, but what the hey, might work! Jack in Snohomish ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 226 Sat Apr 25, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 20:07 EDT Regarding Poolfix, it doesn't matter how many hard drives or floppies you have...if you're using TOS 1.04 or 1.06, use Poolfix...period. You WILL have bombs if you don't, even if you don't use much memory. It's not related to the use of a lot of memory or folders, it's a BUG, pure and simple. You'll crash...use Poolfix and you won't. Please!! <I'm not "horsing" around here> I don't remember who reported a problem between Warp 9 and the High-Soft C Interpreter, but I just tried it and didn't have any problems. What is the problem supposed to be? Lloyd, Larry Herzberg's Compare program is great and has no problems. Try it...you'll like it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 227 Sat Apr 25, 1992 J.HUGHES23 [Jack ] at 20:50 EDT I thought I was up-to-speed as far as the need for POOLFIX4 was concerned. Until I checked my copy of PF4. And it is POOLFIX3! Do I need to upgrade? Never had any problem (that I am aware of) tho. [( ) Jack ( )] Ahhh -- @ 1637 PDT 042592, I see Vince has also brot up my question and received several answers. _But_, do I really _need_ to change from PF#3 to PF4?? [( ) Jack ( )] from Snohomish ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 228 Sat Apr 25, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 21:30 EDT OK -- the Interlink "Funny Fill Mystery" has been solved. Lloyd put his finger on it; the X factor in this equation was the blitter. Turn the blitter off and the problem showed up. It's fixed now. We'll have a free update soon to take care of this and several other problems that have been reported. And this free update will also include a MAJOR BONUS -- version 3.60 of Warp 9 will now handle the TOS raster copy calls (both VDI and Line A), leading to VERY BIG speed improvements (particularly in window scrolling) on machines without blitter chips. Scrolling through a document in Word Perfect is almost TWICE as fast with this new code, and scrolling in MaxiFile's text viewer is about THREE times faster. Watch for this update soon. - Charles P.S. And yes, Ron -- it does handle scrolling in such a way that "color smearing" is eliminated. Maybe now you can stop saying on Fidonet that Warp 9 "causes" color smearing. I hope you'll devote the same energy to spreading the word that this "problem" will soon be fixed as you devoted to blaming Warp 9 incorrectly... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 229 Sat Apr 25, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:07 EDT That's it, Lloyd!! It's the blitter. Turn off the blitter and Interlink shows the weird fill pattern in color (with Warp 9). I just told Charles about it and he's probably already got it fixed as I'm typing this. <grin> Vince, The advantage of Poolfix4 over version 3 is that it uses XBRA protocol. Since PinHead also uses XBRA, you can put PinHead before Poolfix, giving you that extra few seconds of bootup time. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 230 Sat Apr 25, 1992 B.STRINGER at 22:27 EDT The POOLFIX4.PRG saga continues. I reinstalled the POOLFIX4.prg in my auto folder and saw the return of the unpredictable configuration settings of WARP9. To be specific, I have the accessory set for BLOCK on. With POOLFIX installed, block doesn't seem to work but I do get vertical scroll of the cursor! When I loaded PHA$AR I could not access the menu bar no matter what. I played around with the order of files in the auto folder, replaced TOS14FIX with TOS14FX2 and even tried adding a copy of NEOLOAD.PRG to the Auto folder. The result is that only by removing poolfix4 from the AUTO folder will WARP9 configure reliably on my system! Go figure! I had been booting with Simpsons boot delay prog on drive A and even tried booting without that with no benefit. I guess I'll live dangerously for now without POOLFIX. If I encounter problems, I might have to ask for my Turbo ST back. Any other thoughts? Thanks Bruce J. Stringer, M.D. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 231 Sat Apr 25, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:21 EDT POOLFIX4 supports the 'defacto standard' XBRA protocol for trap vector handling. I have never heard Atari say not to use it. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 232 Sat Apr 25, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:56 EDT >also include a MAJOR BONUS -- version 3.60 of Warp 9 will now handle the TOS >raster copy calls (both VDI and Line A), leading to VERY BIG speed >improvements (particularly in window scrolling) on machines without blitter >---------- Thank you very much. And I did NOT say, here, FidoNet, or ANYWHERE, that Warp 9 CAUSES the ugly scrolling, just that it does NOT fix it, yet. At least the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and with the grease, it goes FASTER. Isn't that what it is all about? Making a good program even BETTER? >That's it, Lloyd!! It's the blitter. Turn off the blitter and Interlink >shows the weird fill pattern in color (with Warp 9). I just told Charles >about it and he's probably already got it fixed as I'm typing this. <grin> >---------- That's a switch. Usually having the blitter ON is suspected of causing strange effects. Guess that means the blitter is finally the 'standard'. Wish I had one.... Bruce, You might try getting POOLFIX3, which does the same thing as POOLFIX4, but is sensitive about its place in the AUTO folder, and place it as near the start of the AUTO folder as possible. It sounds like you have a bad copy of POOLFIX4. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 233 Sun Apr 26, 1992 OUTRIDER [Terry @ T2] at 01:45 EDT Ron, I don't wish to restart our debate here, but you DID say repeatedly on FidoNet that "Warp 9 has a problem with STalker." I don't believe Atari ever said NOT to use PoolFix 4. They just said because it's not an official Atari program, they cannot recommend it. - Terry - ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 234 Sun Apr 26, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 02:06 EDT John, There is one big problem with Larry Herzberg's COMPARE program...it's shareware. IMO, I don't use a compare type program enough to warrant a $15 shareware fee. So I keep using the one that does not require a shareware fee. Any idear why my WARP9.DAT file isn't turning off WARP9_ST when I run compare.prg? Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 237 Sun Apr 26, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 09:48 EDT Terry, Saying 'I have a problem with Warp 9 and STalker' is NOT the same as saying Warp 9 CAUSED a problem. I had a problem, STalker and Warp 9 were involved. All I wanted was an ANSWER, which I finally got, not JUMPED ON. I had NO intention of being hostile, but I was upset, and confused. I am no longer upset, but still a bit confused by the reactions to my screams for help. Mike, I sure hope the free upgrade can be done with a ZAP file. Would save waiting, and enriching the US Snail, not to mention saving the CodeHeads much headache. I hate to think of them handling Warp 9 upgrades instead of getting that WP out the door... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 238 Sun Apr 26, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 11:34 EDT Ron, The only "jumping on" you got (here) was for insisting that Warp 9 had a problem. It does not. We kept jumping on you until you realized this (even though you still did not admit it). The real problem here is that it doesn't matter what actual words you used ("I have a problem with Warp 9 STalker") here or on the Fidonet. The aggressiveness with which you insisted that it was something we needed to fix caused MANY people to _read_ that Warp 9 has a problem. This is evidenced by the fact that we've seen messages on our own BBS stating "I heard on the Fidonet that Warp 9 causes messed-up colors in Stalker. Are you going to fix this?" This kind of misinformation spreads all over the world and Warp 9 gets a completely undeserved bad rap...AND IT HURTS OUR SALES. I know that your only intention was completely selfish and you had no intention of hurting our sales, but this is the result. Charles's question still stands. Will you be announcing through the same channels with equal emphasis that Warp 9's "problem" (which is NOT a problem) will be fixed in the next update? Mike, The Warp 9 upgrade will be uploaded online. Lloyd, I'm sorry, but the only T-shirts we have any more are about three assorted "Medium"s. Hmmm...I'm glad to hear you're losing weight. I guess you'll have to keep going. <grin> Bruce Stringer, I have no idea why Poolfix4 would cause unpredictable configuration settings with Warp 9. You are the only one reporting this problem. I'd suggest that you test it with only Poolfix4 and Warp 9 installed. If you still have the problem, then you must have a corrupt copy of Poolfix4 (or even Warp 9?). As for Phasar, there is no way that we can predict how any program will handle the right mouse button. The mouse effects are included in Warp 9 for those that can use them. They function as advertised, but we can't magically prohibit programs from using the right mouse button for their own needs. The upgrade to Warp 9 will include selective disable of features in Warp 9 for the programs you run. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 239 Sun Apr 26, 1992 C.MONTGOMERY at 11:38 EDT WARP 9 is wonderful! Will the new and improved update also speed up machines WITH the blitter? (hope so, since I have a blitter) Charlie @ Design for Print ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 240 Sun Apr 26, 1992 C.MACLEOD2 [Cam MacLeod] at 12:43 EDT Thanks for nailing the "funny fill" thing so fast! Geez. Where else can a product be released and two weeks later an update to fix *minor* incompatibilities is announced. Only on the Atari and only from the Codeheads. Thanks guys. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 241 Sun Apr 26, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 13:53 EDT Charlie Montgomery, The update will also speed up scrolling if you have a blitter, but the extra acceleration won't be as noticeable. There's no way to speed up the operation of the blitter, but there is less overhead in the blitter setup code, so it will be slightly faster. The new raster copy code comes within a hair of being as fast as the hardware blitter -- so anyone without a blitter in their machine is going to see a huge difference. (And the majority of machines made by Atari do not have blitters.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Cam, Thanks for the kudos! Remember -- this update is not only going to fix incompatibilities, it's also going to add a couple of major new features as well. It will be another week or two before the update is released; we're beta testing the raster copy functions now... Here are some of the bugs that will be fixed in this upcoming update: 1) Compatibility with FONTGDOS (the "bit map fonts only" version of FSMGDOS). 2) Mouse effects being disabled after running a TTP program -- fixed. 3) Garbage fill patterns in Interlink -- fixed. 4) Running Hisoft's AMON debugger after Warp 9 messed up Warp 9's GDOS detection code -- fixed. (This was a problem in AMON, not in Warp 9; but I figured out a workaround.) - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 243 Sun Apr 26, 1992 C.NICHOLLS [BILL] at 15:31 EDT I'm not sure if someone hasn't already reported this, but with Warp 9 and Interlink 1.85, using TOS 2.05 with high resolution and the blitter on, I get a smeary pattern at the bottom of the screen, which disappears when I go on line. I had a similar problem, with a slightly different pattern, with Quick ST3. It is certainly not a big deal. Bill ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 244 Sun Apr 26, 1992 C.BULLOCK at 15:36 EDT Dear Codeheads, Try as I might, I am having difficulty installing Warp 9. Everything appears to be OK with the exception of the Block and Jump features for the Mouse and the F Key feautre. Even my smarter little brother (Hi Bud!) could not get my version to work. His version functions fine. Needless to say, we tried very trick in the book to get these most-wanted features to work. Equipment is Mega STE w/ 4 MB, Seagate HD w/ 50 MB, TOS 2.05 and your well-written manual. Your help is greatly appreciated. Chris Bullock C.BULLOCK (GENIE) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 245 Sun Apr 26, 1992 J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER] at 15:49 EDT Regarding keeping the blitter on or off (on a Mega 4). I have the blitter marked with a check mark (on) when I look at the drop down menu from the (gasp!) regular desktop. But I also have the F6 command marked blitter OFF using CodeRam to boot up from (meaning, I have CodeRam create a ram disk and then load the .ccp file, which then boots up the computer). So my question is whether I actually have the blitter on or off? Does the CodeRam F6 command negate the regular desktop command or what? Should I keep the F6 command in CodeRam set for blitter on as well (I have a vague memory of turning that F6 command to off for some reason in the distant past). - Jason Saffer Hercules, California Sunday, April 26, 1992 12:46:46 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 247 Sun Apr 26, 1992 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 17:17 EDT Thanks, Charles. I'll put PinHead and Warp 9 first. That also reminds me to send the shareware payment in for PinHead, which I assume can be done via email if i send you my credit card #? Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 248 Sun Apr 26, 1992 K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van] at 17:32 EDT Bruce, I had the same problem with PHA$AR, and I imagine it would occur with EasyDraw, as well. The mouse features would not be a problem with most programs, and are a handy addition for general use. If a program uses the right mouse button for something, there is going to be a conflict if you have WARP9 set for Block or Jump. It's easy to go into the WARP9 CP to turn Block or Jump off while using such a program, and turn it back on when finished. You can save your favorite configuration, and just switch off a feature like this when necessary. Ken Van Dellen d8^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 249 Sun Apr 26, 1992 S.HOLMES1 [Scott H.] at 18:53 EDT CodeHead, I knew that you could find the problem (thanks to Lloyd too!) I have TOS 1.04, but NO blitter...so that is why....Hmmmm...figures it would be that simple. I look forward to the UPDATE! Now that I can't bug you about Interlink anymore can I bug you about possible adding ButtonFix to Warp 9 CP (maybe one that does not have to be clicked on every time you boot to stop double clicks)??? I hate to be a pain, and I won't mind if you tell me that I am. I guess that is just my nature. Thanks again! P.S. I use POOLFIX3 and would like to use your fixed version of POOLFIX4. Can you upload that to the library or add it to the Warp 9 Update? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 250 Sun Apr 26, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:53 EDT Gee now I hope my Warp 9 update hasn't gone out yet. :-) Hopefully it's got the new version on it so I won't end up dl'ing the new version from the files here. Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 251 Sun Apr 26, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 20:38 EDT C.MACLEOD2 [Cam MacLeod] Cam, Ditto....no problem with Interlink in high rez at all. It only occurs in medium rez. I basically did the same thing that you did; I removed/eliminated everything except the Control Panel and Warp 9 itself. When Warp 9 is turned OFF, the background garbage disappeared. Anna ---- Thanks for the response, Ron. I haven't tried to set the values for the mouse accelerator yet (it would just be a guessing game for me anyway..<grin>). Since I use Neodesk (and its Control Panel includes a screen saver), I won't have to use MACCEL...one less program to clutter my AUTO folder! Anna 8-} ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 252 Sun Apr 26, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 21:15 EDT Jason, Selecting the blitter function in CodeRam affects _only_ CodeRam's method of transferring data to and from the RAM disk. If you've got it turned on (and you've got a blitter), CodeRam will use the blitter to for RAM disk transfers. If it's off, CodeRam will use its own (still very fast) transfer routines. This has nothing to do with the settings of the blitter on the desktop or in HotWire. Chris Bullock, I think we'll need a little more information about what your specific problem is before we can help you. All I can suggest is that you try booting up with only Warp 9 installed and no other resident programs or accessories. If it works that way, then you know that you have a conflict somewhere else in your system and you can begin to diagnose where it is. Scott Holmes, At this time we have no plans for including Button Fix in Warp 9. There are currently two alternatives available, one commercial (MultiDesk Deluxe) and one freeware (BUTTNFIX.ACC). These options are available from us even though their purpose is to fix a problem that is not even ours (double-scrolling in windows). MultiDesk Deluxe already communicates directly with HotWire to enable/disable ButtonFix for the programs that need it. For those that don't want to enjoy the incredible benefits of owning MultiDesk Deluxe, there's a free alternative. To include the Button Fix code in Warp 9 would needlessly duplicate code for the vast number of MultiDesk users. Try it, you'll like it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 253 Sun Apr 26, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 21:33 EDT Wayne, You don't want to wait another couple of weeks for Warp 9 just to save yourself a five minute download...do you? I wouldn't think so. Anna, There's no big guess about setting the mouse accelerator. Just click on number 1, 2, 3, or 4. Those four canned presets should cover just about anyone's preferences. But if they don't, it's _infinitely_ configurable (well just about <grin>) by changing any of the individual numbers. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 255 Mon Apr 27, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 00:35 EDT >Charles's question still stands. Will you be announcing through the same >channels with equal emphasis that Warp 9's "problem" (which is NOT a problem) >will be fixed in the next update? > >The Warp 9 upgrade will be uploaded online. >John >---------- Absolutely, in fact, I already HAVE. I realize that some people fail to read all of a post, and that any complaint about a product can have negative effect on sales, but ANY new product will have shortcomings, and bugs, that sneak past even the most rigorous testing. Until a product is released into the vast diversity of users, setups, and environments, you never find some subtle problems, or realize that some users will sieze upon one point, minor to everyone else, that just DRIVES THEM NUTS. It has been a learning experience for me, as I never realized that some people can't SEE the color smear (not a good description of it really) that occurs when GEM scrolls window text, and that most don't CARE that it is there. I am, I guess, ultra sensitive to color, and I KNOW I am ultra sensitive to any 'flashing effect' (flashing cursors tend to space me out). Still, would you have added the feature (raster copy) so soon if I had NOT 'pitched a bitch'? I guess the reason I was MOST upset was that I posted the original message thinking *I* was doing something wrong, and expecting help, and got the textual equivalent of a kick in the backside. Great that it will be an upload! Will be watching the files VERY anxiously. Maybe you can slip in a demo of the WordProcessor too...Grin. Charles, Just a point of curiosity. How much in percentage, of the ST display operations is replaced, updated, by Warp 9? I have wondered about the TOS scrolling, which nothing seems to speed up much (even the AdSpeed only made it 37% faster). Is it just as fast as it can be done, or is it considered fast enough not to really need speeding up? ------ V.RARDNER1 [MIKE] > You remind me of the times I used the CB. Every once in awhile you >find some one that does not know how to act in the company of people. That >makes using the CB or information services unpleasant. >---------- Humm. Is that an observation or an accusation? GRin. I guess I can't see over my own point of view on this one, but it seems that my intentions, and meaning were completely different from what others perceived. I have reread the posts and I still can't see how any animosity was detected in the initial post. On subsequent ones, I became defensive, with some cause, I believe. Scott, There is a buttonfix built into the latest versions of MultiDesk. If your Warp 9 CP is loading from MultiDesk, you can have the convenience of buttonfix with no additional overhead. If you don't have MultiDesk, I am SURE the CodeHeads can arrange to lighten your bank account and remedy that situation... Anna, I really look forward to re-installing Warp 9. The mouse accelerator feature that allows different increments for vertical movement really helps keep the mouse from overrunning into the menu bar, even without 'block' on. ------------