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==================================================================== (C) 1992 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari RoundTables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari RoundTables on GEnie are the *official* information services of the Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem in HALF DUPLEX) 800-638-8369. Upon connection, type HHH Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GENIE and hit RETURN. The system will now prompt you for your information. ==================================================================== ************ Topic 11 Mon Jun 19, 1989 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] (Forwarded) Sub: Ask the CodeHeads Got some ideas for a new product that we need?? Give the CodeHeads your ideas. 203 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 1 Sat Mar 07, 1992 J.LEMLEY [Jack] at 08:48 EST Hey guys, I posted the message last night about my floppies continuing to run after boot until one of them is accessed. What I didn't notice then is that even after I access a drive to stop it from spinning and it stops both access lights (I have two floppies ext is a new style SF314) continue to flicker faintly the whole time my system is on! I installed my TOS 2.06 yesterday after receiving it from you guys. I just plugged them into my 1040 STe w/4megs. Everything else works super!!! Thanks Jack ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 2 Sat Mar 07, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 13:41 EST The drive lights flicker because Atari rewrote the media change detection code to be much more reliable in TOS 2.06. I think yours is the first report we've heard of drives continuing to run after bootup, though... - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 3 Sat Mar 07, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 18:24 EST Yes, Jack, as Charles said, your floppies shouldn't continue to spin after bootup. You should test this with no resident programs installed. I suspect that something in your boot configuration is causing this. You may also find that you're still using a program or two that are not needed under the new TOS. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 4 Sun Mar 08, 1992 STARFALL [Alan] at 05:35 EST As far as I know, the drive lights flicker under all TOS versions. I've got 1.[0]4 right now in my 1040STf, and I can see the drive light flashing. It did it with 1.0, too. It's caused by TOS checking the write- protect status of the drive, in an attempt to determine if you took the disk out or not. / / * / Alan * * ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 5 Sun Mar 08, 1992 J.LEMLEY [Jack] at 11:01 EST Charles, I've done some more testing on the my floppie continuing to run after boot. I am using a blank disk in drive A with a NoRoach boot sector. If I put just a blank formatted disk in drive A at boot time the drive does NOT continue to run after boot! Go figure! Thanks Jack BTW glad to hear the drive light flicker is normal ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 6 Sun Mar 08, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 14:53 EST Jack, It would seem the noroach is causing the problem. There is a program called driveoff.prg you should be able to get and put in the AUTO folder to solve this problem. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 7 Sun Mar 08, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 16:15 EST NoRoach doesn't seem to work under TOS 2.06 anyway. Even with it installed in my bootup floppy the bootup will wait the full 90 seconds unless interrupted by a keypress. The only difference is that there is activity on the screen (a growing and then a shrinking black bar) to indicate that something is happening. Of course, there's no message stating "Waiting for hard drive spin- up. Hit any key to proceed...". That might be asking too much. <grin> John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 8 Sun Mar 08, 1992 R.GOFF [BOB] at 18:31 EST Whether drive lights flicker in TOS 1.4 seems to vary between machines. Mine don't, not even in a very dark room. Bob ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 9 Sun Mar 08, 1992 S.SANDERS2 [SDS] at 20:29 EST C.F.JOHNSON: I haven't heard from you on this...I guess I assumed John would relay the question to you. Is there a problem with Font Tricks for TOS fonts running on a TT with 3.06? My TOS fonts become half-height and unreadable. I love the program but I use TOS programs so much I can't do with the problem. Thanks for any help. -Scott @ SDS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 10 Sun Mar 08, 1992 N.WEINRESS [Norm] at 20:52 EST The floppy motor continuing to run (even without a diskette in the drive) has been a problem since TOS 1.4. John and Charles, Tony Lee at TCN says it occurs in all versions of TOS since 1.4, in fcat. I wrote a little program in GFA called STOPDRV that merely accesses drive A, and have included it in the AUTO folder. The only problem is it will hang things up if there is no diskette in Drive A. Norm ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 11 Sun Mar 08, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 21:18 EST Scott, Are you using Font Tricks 2, from the CodeHead Utilities disk? If you're using the much earlier version that was published in ST-Log more than 5 years ago, it's definitely not going to work right. But version 2 from the Utilities disk works fine; I just tested it on my TT. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 12 Sun Mar 08, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:20 EST John, That's to make people read the DOCS. Grin. What they need to do is put in a subtle key combo that you can only find by reading ALL the manual. Sadistic, huh? Bob, I bet that if you put a scope on that LED you would find that it is being pulsed, but the individual LED might not be turned on by the low voltage, or short pulse, as LEDs vary as to their turn on point, just like people do. Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 13 Mon Mar 09, 1992 S.SANDERS2 [SDS] at 02:05 EST Charles, I am using Font Tricks 2 from the Utilities Disk. All of my TOS fonts appear 8x8 though spacing is 8x16. I tried with all of the included test fonts to no avail. It seems to use every other scan line from the original 8x16 font as mentioned in the manual making the text small and unreadable. I was running Font Tricks from within Multidesk with TOS3.06 -Scott @ SDS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 14 Mon Mar 09, 1992 J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER] at 10:12 EST Norm, right! I remember now - it was YOU who wrote that nifty little STOPDRV program that I use in my auto folder -- and this is with my Mega 4 with TOS 1.2! It has always worked like a dream for me to get rid of that pesky drive A access sound. - Jason Saffer Hercules, California Sunday, March 8, 1992 10:30:50 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 15 Mon Mar 09, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 11:55 EST Scott, All right - I did manage to duplicate your problem. It's caused by using a font in TT medium resolution that is intended for ST low or medium resolution. For now, I suggest you use one of the following fonts instead: CHICAGO2 CALIGRPH TEMPUS THIN and you won't have a problem. Since these fonts are designed for an 8x16 matrix, they'll also look better on screen. If you have the font editor included with the original DEGAS (not DEGAS Elite), you can fix it so your other fonts will work too, by loading them into the font editor, turning OFF their "half-height" flags, and resaving them. It's unlikely that there will be another version of Font Tricks, because our new version of Quick ST/TT will also load custom fonts (and it doesn't have this problem, of course!) -- in a special way that lets it display the fonts up to two times faster than if they were loaded with Font Tricks. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 16 Mon Mar 09, 1992 SFRT-ASST [Kene @ SFRT] at 14:04 EST DEGAS or FSMGDOS fonts? ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 17 Mon Mar 09, 1992 J.NESS [Jim] at 22:26 EST Norm - Re: the drive that runs forever. Amend that to include TOS 1.2. Happens on every warmboot, but not on any coldboot. -JN ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 18 Tue Mar 10, 1992 S.SANDERS2 [SDS] at 01:14 EST Great Charles, I'll try those fonts and I am a registered owner of Quick TT 3 and will upgrade so I can use it in conjunction with FSM. Maybe the next time I'm over there I could use your copy of Degas to flip my favorites. I only have Degas Elite. Thanks for the reply. -Scott @ SDS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 24 Sun Mar 15, 1992 GSCOTT-MOORE [Gerry] at 23:50 EST \\\--- I was just using a new CH utility CopyPath or some such that steals my paths form LGF and sends them to MaxiFile or vice versa. In the help screen it mentions "MultiFile". What is that? How could a utility get by my prying eyes? \\\--- Gerry ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 26 Mon Mar 16, 1992 C.F.JOHNSON [CodeHead] at 02:10 EST Gerry, MultiFile is a much earlier version of MaxiFile, which is included on the CodeHead Utilities disk. You haven't missed anything. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy, Take it easy. Don't do anything stupid. You don't want to spend the rest of your life paying for one dumb mistake, do you? It's just not worth it, I tell you! Now, come on ... give me that gun. - Charles ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 27 Mon Mar 16, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 20:12 EST Alan, I currently have TOS 1.2 in my 1040STf and have never had the drive lights flicker all the time. The only time my drive lights come on is when they are accessed, reading/writing to a disk, or pressing ESC for a media change. Anna ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 30 Tue Mar 17, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:23 EST Anna, If you run your computer in a totally dark room, you may be surprised to see that your drive light does flicker constantly, albeit very dimly. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 31 Tue Mar 17, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:03 EST I don't know if you recall, but a while back (a month or so ago) I said I was unable to get NeoDesk3 running with HotWire/MDD/HotSaver/Maxifile/PinHead, etc. Well I found the problem and I'm kicking myself for not checking that as one of the first things given troubles in the past. I just got around to the daunting task of disabling everything and putting it all back one by one (Auto's and Acc's/Mdx's) today. I was trying to figure it out more for a friend of mine who wants to buy MDD but insists on NeoDesk. Myself personally I rarely use Neodesk3, usually then only when I want to show off the 'pretty' desktop. For speed and ease of use I use HotWire religously. I found the problem was SHADOW.PRG in the Auto folder running before NEOLOAD.PRG. By moving it after NEOLOAD everything works fine now. I am running it in non-reset-proof mode because of problems with other programs when I try to run it in reset-proof mode. As I said I'm kicking myself for not checking this as one of my first things given the fact that it had caused problems with other programs in the past especially in relation to its order in the AUTO folder. Anyways, should I ever want to run NeoDesk I now can without having to give up all my CodeHead utils. Of course I also found out that a couple of my NeoDesk ACC's are out of date and don't work with the new NeoDesk3 and some of its files. :-) <shows you how long it's been since I used NeoDesk regularly> Wayne <Ok, HotSaver has to be before NeoLoad, and Shadow after it, but only when there's a full moon or a racoon knocking on your mailbox. Or was that when the sun is at high noon and Alan Ladd is standing in your driveway calling you out?> ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 32 Tue Mar 17, 1992 STARFALL [Alan] at 20:08 EST It may be the some drive lights aren't bright enough to be visible when they flicker. The flickering of the red light on my 1040STf is barely visable if I shade it with my hand. The other colored LEDs that Atari used on later models of the ST aren't as bright, so they may not light enough to be seen. Try looking at it closely in a dark room. / / * / Alan * * ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 37 Wed Mar 18, 1992 A.MASON4 [Anna] at 20:46 EST Wow! I tried your suggestion and was shocked to see it flickering! That's really weird. Anna ;-) STARFALL [Alan] The light on my 1040STf is orange(?) instead of red but, like you, by shading it with my hand I could see the flicker. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 39 Fri Mar 20, 1992 HUMPHRIES.JR [Roger] at 07:23 EST John, I've been reading the back messages and saw that in msg 7, March 8, you said that NoRoach doesn't seem to work under TOS 2.06. I have just recently installed my TEC boards (they are GREAT, thanks!) and am using NoRoach for boot-up with no problems. System is a Mega4 with MegaFile 60 hard drive. Works ok with very little delay time, in fact close to 0 (at 0 it usually is ok, occassionally I have to reboot. -- Roger ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 40 Sat Mar 21, 1992 S.SANDERS2 [SDS] at 00:42 EST HUMPHRIES.JR: I have NOROACH and TOS 3.06. Basically it works but the icon display is all fouled up. I assume that's because it boots in TT medium. I wouldn't assume the same problem would be associated with TOS 2.06 though. I _have_ booted with disks in my system with a newer version of NOROACH installed, I just don't know where to find it. I E-mailed Ken B., the author, an inquiry. -Scott @ SDS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 41 Sat Mar 21, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:10 EST My experience with NoRoach and TOS 2.06 is this: On a cold boot (from power off) it is totally ineffective. The 90-second pause is interrupted only by a keypress. On a cold, powered boot, NoRoach will kick in after the memory test, but it will not interrupt the memory test no matter how short the timeout is configured. On a warm boot, NoRoach is not needed, just as on other TOSes. The icon flashes as expected in all cases. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 42 Sun Mar 22, 1992 N.WEINRESS [Norm] at 01:16 EST John, My experience is that NoRoach won't interfere with the memory test from a cold (power off) boot, but I get immediately to the ICDBOOT after the memory test finishes (if I don't shortstop by hitting a key). Norm ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 43 Sun Mar 22, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:29 EST Hmmm...I wonder what's different. Norm, are you using your hardware delay to turn on the computer after the hard drive spins up? I'm turning everything on from a single power strip. It always waits the entire time if I don't hit a key. Later, cold boots cause NoRoach to kick in after the memory test. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 44 Sun Mar 22, 1992 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 11:30 EST I use the program SCSI Wait 2. It works great for letting me know exactly when the HD is ready to rock and roll. This may or may not fit your needs/desires. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 45 Sun Mar 22, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 12:54 EST Wayne, Does SCSI Wait 2 install in a boot sector? If it's just an AUTO program, then there's no benefit to TOS 2.0> users. The AUTO programs will not be executed until the bootup pause has expired or a key is pressed. Those who have not used TOS 2.0 or greater can't really conceptualize just how silly this bootup pause really is. Yes, you may know that all you have to do is hit a key, but it's _always_ that step (on a cold boot) and no matter how sharp you are, there will be times when you're sitting there waiting for the computer to do something, even though you know it's just waiting for you to press a key. Then there are those who actually _do_ wait for the entire pause to expire, because they either don't know that they can continue (there's no message, but at least in x.06 there's a shrinking bar causing some movement on the screen) or they actually are afraid they'll mess something up or somehow make the system less stable by hitting a key. It's fascist, really... John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 46 Sun Mar 22, 1992 M.HILL13 [Mike] at 14:07 EST John E., BootTyme is up in the library, it installs itself in the boot sector of a floppy and waits for the hard drive to spin up before booting to the hard drive. It seems to work VERY well. Im using it on a Mega STE right now. Ive heard other good stories from people in our users group with a variety of hard drive setups (SCSI, MFM, ICD Host's, Supra Hosts, Berkley Hosts) and all report no problems. Try it! Mike P.S. Sending the $20 for Quick St (or The Wizzer, whatever the new name!) with my QST 3 monday morning. Looking forward to the update! Keep up the good work! ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 47 Sun Mar 22, 1992 JEFF.W [ST Sysop] at 18:03 EST SCSI Wait 2 installs into the floppy disk boot sector and polls the SCSI devices until they are ready, then allows the boot up to proceed. I use it on my TOS 1.06 system. It's quite nice and it's in the Software Library here. I understand that some hard drives don't handle the SCSI polling well, so it may not work for everyone's setup. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 48 Sun Mar 22, 1992 WALLY at 22:44 EST Howdy, John - SCSI Wait 2 installs on a floppy boot sector. Wally ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 49 Sun Mar 22, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:22 EST John, The TOS 2.06 should at least alert you to the wait by displaying the logo and memory test progress. Or are you like me, I take a short nap while booting.. Grin. You would understand if you saw my AUTO folder, and MDX folder, and had an OLD SLOW SH204... ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 50 Mon Mar 23, 1992 F.GORON [Frank] at 01:26 EST + Just wonderin'# ... I know 0 you have an Ic program for your TEC 2.06 customers that will edit icons but is there any possibility you will make that program available for non-TEC customers? Fr'instance, anyone that owns a TT or MSTE is instantly a non-customer, but if you made this program available, some will take you up on it. Maybe you could present it as a stand-alone prg, or perhaps you could add it to the Codehead Utilities package. That prg alone could possibly justify an update to the Utilities package. I know that I'd consider it. At the moment I'm aware of one commercial program for Newdesk Icon editing and NO PD/shareware pr, and that program isn't even compatible with Neodesk's icon format (I believe your's is) and that's the format I'm most interested in. So whaddya say? Ya wanna make some non-customers into customers, & customers of other Codehead products even MORE hardcore Codehead addicts? Just wonderin'... Frank ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 51 Tue Mar 24, 1992 N.WEINRESS [Norm] at 00:16 EST John, The hardware delay timer was dropped quite some time ago. Until I purchased TOS 2.06, I used a software delay program. But since, I'm using a diskette with Noroach. I can hit a key before the memory test has finished; or, as I did this evening, just let the memory test finish, and then it immediately shows the ICD bootup info. I set the Noroach for 15 seconds. The drives I'm using, two Quantums 105's do spin up in much less than 15 seconds. Obviously, my bad luck with hardware has jumped from my body to yours. You have my undying gratitude. <hee hee> Norm ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 52 Tue Mar 24, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 01:17 EST Ron, Yes, TOS 2.06 displays the Atari logo immediately upon bootup. If it's a cold boot, it then proceeds by printing "Memory Test" and a black bar with a row of inverse hyphens appearing as the memory is tested. When the memory test is completed a second black bar (with no message) appears and gradually shrinks from right to left. When it's finished, the bootup proceeds. This entire procedure can be interrupted at any time by pressing any key. As I stated before, I know for a fact (from doing phone tech support) that many people do not realize that they can bypass this operation with no ill- effects (even some seemly very knowledgable people). I think it would have been very thoughtful if there were just a simple message displayed: Waiting for hard drive spin-up. Press any key to continue... Of course, my personal preference for the message would have been: Waiting a ridiculous amount of time for hard drive spin-up, just in case you've managed to find some hard drive somewhere that takes an incredible 90 seconds to come up to speed. <grin> Frank, The Icon Juggler included on the TEC Utilities disk does not edit icons. It merely loads them and allows you to cut, paste, and rearrange them and then save them as your DESKICON.RSC file. The Newdesk Icon CPX v2.11 from SDS is much more full-featured and will edit icons as well. The latest version also loads NEC files. I plan to release Icon Juggler as shareware eventually, but we've also talked about offering our TEC manual and Utilities disk as a separate package. We get a lot of calls from people who've bought TOS 2.06 from a dealer (the way it comes from Atari) and they have no idea how to install the chips (jumper settings, etc.) or the new features of the desktop. It's a bit frustrating for us to spend time helping people install their chips when Atari has supplied nothing whatsoever except two ROM chips in the package. Those who purchase the chips from us receive instructions for installation, the TEC manual, and the TEC Utilities disk. Maybe we should see if Atari would like to buy our documentation. <grin> John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 53 Tue Mar 24, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 02:24 EST Hmmm...I'll have to change the timeout on my NoRoach. I set it to zero seconds because it works fine on my TT that way with ICD boot software. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 54 Tue Mar 24, 1992 TOWNS [John@Atari] at 13:39 EST John.. the problem is that Atari has to deal with numerous types of hard drives and 90 seconds assured us of being able to take care of all of the drives out there. Also, if I remember right, the delay is documented in Atari's manuals (or should be). The problem with displaying a message is that we have 12-14 different language versions of TOS. Currently GEMDOS/BIOS doesn't have to be internationalized at all. We would like to keep it that way. I asked about putting strings in the AES that GEMDOS could get to. Well, that creates all kinds of other problems. The best solution for us was to put in the delay and document it. There are current discussions going on right now (and have been going on with this issue). One solution that has been suggested is that we allocate a DIP switch in future machines to tell TOS that "I have a high-quality SCSI drive and I _promise_ that it will respond to SCSI inquire commands without locking up. Don't you _dare_ delay my bootup process. Go! Go! Go!" <grin> So, if you have this switch set, your machine will never delay at all. And if you have a bad SCSI drive (like a SyQuest, which when you inquire as to whether or not it is ready, will LOCK UP!), you don't have the DIP switch set. -- John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 55 Tue Mar 24, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 18:29 EST John Townsend, Thank you very much for that response. Believe it or not, just knowing that someone has thought about this issue makes me feel better. If you take part in any future discussions about this, it might be nice to mention that it wouldn't be the end of the world if the very, very few people that have drives that take 90 seconds to spin up (I still find this hard to believe) would have to push the reset switch after their drive spins up. This would mean that you'd be catering to the majority instead of the minority. I've never seen a drive that takes more than 25 seconds. That would seem like a comfortable compromise for a bootup delay. The .1% who had a slower drive could just hit the reset switch when they're ready after their first power-on boot up. I _do_ like the switch idea. Another idea would be to make use of the non- volatile RAM on board. What is that being saved for? <grin> John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 56 Tue Mar 24, 1992 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 22:53 EST John, Is the delay hardware or in TOS? If it is hardware (I.E. a resistor), just put a little pot on the outside of the computer instead of the dip switch. This way, the user could adjust the delay to his/her HD. Pot as in potentiometer, not the illegal stuff. :-) ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 57 Wed Mar 25, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:29 EST Wayne, No, the delay is in software. That's why NoRoach is a solution. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 58 Wed Mar 25, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 04:31 EST John(s), While we are on the subject of TOS defaults and boot delays, etc. Can someone tell me why the ST comes up in LOW RES when a color monitor is attached? Doesn't it make more sense to come up in the highest resolution the monitor is capable of? How many users REALLY use the computer on a TV? Surely NOT a majority. Why cater to a SMALL minority? ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 59 Wed Mar 25, 1992 STACE [Mark] at 13:00 EST John, Here is my experience with NoRoach and TOS 2.06 (on my SST)... (BTW, the version of NoRoach that I have only has delay times in 10 second increments...I don't know where Norm got one with a 15 second time delay). I have my delay set at 20 seconds (it takes my drive about 15 seconds to spin up). If I turn everything on (stone cold) from a power strip then I always get the full memory test and then an immediate boot to the HDX booter. I use a coldboot program in my AUTO folder so all resets for me are coldboots. If I do a reset then I, again, get the full memory test and then immediately to the HDX booter. If I set the NoRoach delay to MORE than 20 seconds then in either of the above cases I will get all of the memory test line and a portion (depending on the amount of additional time over 20 seconds) of the other black "countdown" line. IE, at 30 seconds I get the full memory test and about 10 seconds worth of wait on the other countdown line. If, however, I set the NoRoach delay to 0 or 10 seconds I never see the memory test. It always attempts to boot the drive immediately after the NoRoach icon flashs in the corner. If the HD has not spun up then I just get a floppy boot. So...with a setting of 20 seconds my NoRoach seems to always be happy. Mark ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 60 Wed Mar 25, 1992 TOWNS [John@Atari] at 20:52 EST The delay is in TOS, in fact.. NOROACH modifies the delay to whatever you want. That is the current method to decrease the delay. -- John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 61 Thu Mar 26, 1992 R.NOAK at 00:04 EST Mark, 20 seconds works on my TT030 with TOS 3.06 as well. I just wish Atari would fix NOROACH so that I get the "no bug" icon back again. ;-) Randy @ Southlake, Inc. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 62 Thu Mar 26, 1992 N.WEINRESS [Norm] at 00:18 EST Mark, the version of NOROACH that I'm using came with TOS 2.06, supplied by the inestimible CodeHeads. The Install program lets you set the delay from 0 to 90 seconds in one second intervals. You are probably using a Beta copy, obtained by nefareous methods! Norm ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 63 Thu Mar 26, 1992 F.GORON [Frank] at 22:46 EST John, That's great news (at least to me!) that you're considering releasing the Icon Juggler in some form (shareware,separate pkg,etc.). I really don't need an icon editor, the one in Neodesk is more editor than I'll ever want. And since the Icon Juggler will read .NIC files, I'd be all set. Besides, I don't believe I know the work of the people who released the Newdesk Icon CPX, and I know your & Charles' work & would choose it in a sec.(a little buttering up never hurts<g>) Thanks Frank ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 64 Sun Mar 29, 1992 R.DEAN3 [GUNNER] at 18:16 EST Norm; What is your jumper config on your Quantoms??? John; The comment about selling your documentation to Atari is a great idea, you should look into it. I intend to buy the TinyTurbo which will come with TOS 2.06. I am also going to buy the TEC to upgrade the second ST in the house. If I was not buying a TEC, I would definitely be willing to buy a utility package if you marketed one. Big market out there full of non TEC customers.... Go for it! Towns; How about a pacth to allow the user to make an adjustment to the boot delay to fit their system??? Gunner ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 65 Mon Mar 30, 1992 TOWNS [John@Atari] at 01:01 EST There is one. It is called NOROACH.PRG. -- John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 82 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 15:44 EDT The veiled reference to a word processor refers to an existing product. It may very well already include all items on "wish lists" so I'd recommend containment until we announce it. (Thanks a lot, Charles <grin>...but Happy Birthday, anyway!) Steve, You should look into CodeKeys because it can provide endless powers to those who know how to pull its strings (and it's not for WIMPS!). John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 85 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff] at 19:46 EDT Charles/John, Since you guys write such great little utilities - how about a program that does the following: It will keep a log of all file activity - when a file was last changed by any program, file deletions, etc. If a database file was copied to a temp. file, the old one was deleted and the temp. file renamed - this would show up in the log. Thanks. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ Jeff ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 87 Mon Apr 13, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:37 EDT Jeff Wisniewski, That would be an interesting utility (file activity log). We'll keep that in mind. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 93 Tue Apr 14, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 06:21 EDT Ah hah! Mike sounds like a likely victim, uhhh, I mean customer. Don't let him get away, get that credit card number before he gets away... Grin. --------- Hummm. I suggested a similar idea to the file activity log to a friend some time ago. In his attempts to do it, he wiped out his HD SEVERAL times. For some reason, he never got it done. It would also be the skeleton of a REAL diskette/HD directory utility. I am STILL looking for a good disk directory utility that will treat .LZH, ARC, ZOO, ZIP files as folders, and list the files in them.... Maybe a combination of the two ideas could work?? ========= RE: Phone calls. PLEASE don't bother them with phone calls until they ship MY copy of Warp- 9, at least.... Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 96 Tue Apr 14, 1992 JLS [John STanley] at 23:30 EDT Ron... I know of two file activity tracker programs. One is SYS_MON. A -very-(!!) powerful and flexable program here in the ST file librarys. It can (selectively) monitor every function call in your entire system and print an activity log to a file, the printer, or to a "background screen" you can switch to via a hot-key. What's being tracked can be switched on-the-fly via various controls on the hidden screen. The other one is a small program I wrote several years ago that just prints a file activity log to the printer and can't be disabled except by rebooting, but it's at least 50 times smaller than SYS_MON. I'd recommend trying SYS_MON. It's more flexable an I wouldn't have to unearth my program and write docs to post it.. :^) Good luck, ... JLS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 99 Wed Apr 15, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 06:22 EDT John Stanley, Hummm. I didn't know SYS_MON had that ability, but I kinda wanted one that would maintain something like the TMS (Tape Management Subsystem) that Computer Associates sells for Mainframes, but oriented to diskette files. That, and the system catalog feature of mainframes. Guess that is a bit much to expect, though. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 115 Tue Apr 21, 1992 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 20:40 EDT I know that there is a seperate topic for G+Plus but since currently I don't track that topic I thought this might be a better place for me to get my answer. Does G+Plus come with any printer drivers? If so, does this include a DeskJet 500 driver? ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 116 Wed Apr 22, 1992 JLS [John STanley] at 01:36 EDT Ron, I'm not familiar with TMS. Could you explain a bit more about what it does that SYS_MON won't do? ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 117 Wed Apr 22, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:37 EDT G+Plus does not include drivers or fonts. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 118 Wed Apr 22, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 07:06 EDT John, TMS (CA-1 Tape Management Subsystem) is for Mainframes. It keeps track of all files on tapes, and automatically updates this information any time a tape file is opened. It can tell you which tape a file is on, and other statistical information about the file, such as creation date, last use, creation program, last program used, and an expiration date. It will also prepare a list of expired tapes. It seems to me that something similar would be great for diskette files/diskettes. I would also like it to treat LZH/ZOO/ARC/ZIP files as subdirectories. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 120 Thu Apr 23, 1992 S.SANDERS2 [SDS] at 01:11 EDT The only place I know of to get a Deskjet driver is through Migraph. -Scott @ SDS ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 156 Mon Apr 27, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 19:06 EDT The number of products we have depends on how you count them. As a minumum, if you don't count HotWire Plus, count the Cherry Fonts as one, the Avant Vectors as one, the TECs as one, and don't count the alleged WP or MIDI Spy <grin>, we have 14. On the other end of the spectrum, if you count everything we've got 32 products! John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 170 Thu Apr 30, 1992 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 05:14 EDT I'm surprised that the news has not yet reached GEnie after our Delphi conference last night (Tuesday). We did announce that we will be carrying Calligrapher. A more formal announcement will be issued this weekend. Since this product has been on the market in Europe for over a year now, we _don't_ need any beta-testers, but I thank everyone for all of the requests we've had already. I hope we get as many orders as we've had requests for free beta-testing. <grin> John ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 171 Thu Apr 30, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 07:15 EDT John, Hummm. Isn't Calligrapher monochrome only??? ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 172 Thu Apr 30, 1992 M.MOTOGAWA [MEL] at 10:55 EDT Ron, No, Calligrapher runs in medium rez too. - Mel ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 173 Thu Apr 30, 1992 SFRT-ASST [Kene @ SFRT] at 11:50 EDT Who cares about color? <hehehe> ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 174 Thu Apr 30, 1992 G.T.GRAY [Gary Gray] at 19:03 EDT John, Calligrapher is the only wordprocessor I have ever seen on the Atari to have the potential to compete head on with the best on the Mac and the Intel boxes. The products lack of US representation was as frustrating as the potential was exciting. I have a store stock copy of Calligrapher purchased from Pacific about 6 months ago. I never could sell the program as the copy protection was so severe it would only load once in several attempts. Demoing it was impossible. No one was interested in paying the going rate for the program without seeing it work. Unfortunately the program required that it be registered to get the unprotected version. That of course required mailing the registration card to the UK. Kind of an odd dilemma for the dealer don't you think? Anyway is there some fee I can pay to get this version updated to a demonstratable and sellable copy. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 175 Thu Apr 30, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 20:17 EDT SFRT-AST, >>Who cares about color? <hehehe> I know you were kidding, but the answer is probably over 50% of the ST owners. If a program doesn't run in ST medium res, it's useless to me. (Except for DTPing programs.) ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 176 Thu Apr 30, 1992 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:49 EDT Mel, Ok, thanks. I get used to seeing the European software running only in Monochrome. About 80% monochrome there, and if you have ever seen the PAL TV, you would understand why.... Kene, Me, obviously... Lloyd, Some of us even do DTP on a color monitor. Yes, I know, it's painful, but I don't have room for both monitors, and if monochrome was ok with me, I would have bought a Mac. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 179 Fri May 01, 1992 ST-REPORT [Lloyd Pulley] at 11:17 EDT Ron, >>If monochrome was okay with me, I would have bought a Mac. Amen!! I do have both monitors but only use mono when forced to, i.e. DTPing. Other than that, I use color 95% of the time. Lloyd E. Pulley, Sr. ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 185 Sat May 02, 1992 T.YURICK [T.YURICK] at 02:11 EDT John Eidsvoog... RE: Warp 9 manual cover Thanks, I was afraid of that :^( I can understand why you went with the best tool for the job though. Even with all(?) the DTP software for the ST, you can't do gradient fills or work in 24bit color onscreen, both of which I do on my PC. I still use my ST for whatever I can, mostly because it's faster (Warp 9 <G>) and more intuitive. Theres nothing wrong with using different platforms to get the job done. Especially when it provides end users with the high quality documentation you guys created for Warp 9. I often combine the power of Corel Draw or Micrografix Designer with PageStream, and none of my clients care. Certainly no one can accuse Codehead Technologies of not supporting the ST. Go ahead and boo me Ron :^) BTW, what font format does Calligrapher use? Is it proprietary? Regards, Tom ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 188 Sat May 02, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 11:24 EDT > Amen!! I do have both monitors but only use mono when forced to, i.e. > DTPing. Other than that, I use color 95% of the time. Amazing how vocal most are about this subject. I too am a vocal one, and have an Omnimon Multisync. However I only use color when forced to. I just can't stand the horrid sacrifice in resolution us stock ST users must suffer just to get 4 colors instead of 2(black and white). I started with a color monitor for a couple years, and then bought a mono for the BBS I was running. After using the mono for a while on the BBS I started getting addicted to it and eventually got both on my own system. After the mono died, I sold the color monitor and got the Omnimon. There are very few programs that will run color or mono that I choose to run in color, and those are games which account for 99.9% of the use the color side of the Omnimon does get. Of course alot of it probably has to do with the fact my eyes aren't what they used to be so I need the extra clarity of the mono monitor. :-) Wayne ------------ Category 32, Topic 11 Message 199 Tue May 12, 1992 J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff] at 06:24 EDT Hi, just a small suggestion. On your program updates/patches would it be possible to choose drive A/B instead of drive A only. The reason is I only have a SS internal drive (I have not got around to changing it over to DS yet). (Gribnif is another company that insists on drive A only and most of their stuff is DS - but that is in another category and topic). And yes I do use Re-Direct and Divert, but they do not always work. Thanks. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ Jeff W. ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ==================================================================== (C) 1992 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari RoundTables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari RoundTables on GEnie are the *official* information services of the Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem in HALF DUPLEX) 800-638-8369. Upon connection, type HHH Wait for the U#= prompt. Type XJM11877,GENIE and hit RETURN. The system w