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TidBITS#159/18-Jan-93
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 We continue with coverage of Macworld Expo, focussing this time on
   the seamy underside of the show. That's right, booth bimbos!
   Madonna's "Sex" it's not, but we also look at the rapidly
   growing crop of adult CD-ROMs. In more mundane Macworld news,
   we have an article on Apple's new printers and scanner, a short
   review of Now Up-to-Date 2.0, and clarifications of earlier
   articles on the IIvx and A/UX, the Video Toaster, and the
   FirstClass BBS deals.

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Topics:
    MailBITS/18-Jan-93
    IIvx & A/UX
    FirstClass Deal Clarification
    Darker Video Toaster Reality
    New Printers & Scanner
    Booth Bimbos
    Booth Bimbos on CD-ROM?
    Now Up-to-Date 2.0
    Reviews/18-Jan-93

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MailBITS/18-Jan-93
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  Mark Johnson of Apple writes, "After many months of requests, I
  have finally updated ftp.apple.com [130.43.2.3] to include
  historic versions of Macintosh system software. Now you will find
  System 5.0 through 7.0.1 and System 7.0 Tune-Up 1.1.1 in the
  /ftp/dts/mac/sys.soft/ directory.

  These are US systems only, and NO, future versions will not be
  available for FTP. If I can update the international systems with
  7.0.1, I will do that next. Thanks for your patience.

  Information from:
    Mark B. Johnson -- [e-mail]


SyQuest 3.5" Units
  Daniel Andresen sent this information about SyQuest drives: "I
  spoke with a SyQuest rep a Macworld Expo, and she confirmed that
  the 3.5" 105 MB SyQuest units would be out "within ninety days."
  She said only the IDE version was finished at this time, with the
  SCSI version to follow. She also refused to speculate on pricing,
  and was not even willing to say whether it would be cheaper or
  more expensive than the 5110c's (5.25" SyQuests)."

  Information from:
    Daniel Andresen -- westmx![e-mail]


IIvx & A/UX
-----------
  In an effort to clarify Mark's article on the incompatibility
  between the IIvx and Apple's Unix operating system, A/UX 3.0
  (TidBITS#157), Pythaeus writes:

  The Mac IIvx does not run A/UX 3.0 for the same reason that System
  6 does not run on the Quadra 700: the CPU was released long after
  the system software shipped, so the operating system (OS) can't
  possibly know about the addresses and capabilities of the new
  hardware. A/UX 3.0 does such a good job of making Unix look like a
  Macintosh that people forget the operating system is Unix, not
  MacOS. A/UX does not sit on top of System 7 (a la Tenon), but the
  other way around. It makes no sense to talk about A/UX being
  "System 7.1 compatible" once you understand this fact. Unless the
  hardware designers bend over backwards to maintain compatibility,
  you will always need a new OS (or new OS components) to support
  new hardware. The Mac IIvx was released after A/UX 3.0, and
  contains new ASICs (like its sound chip), so A/UX 3.0 has no clue
  what to do.


FirstClass Deal Clarification
-----------------------------
  Maury Markowitz of SoftArc writes:

  I saw the note about the FirstClass upgrade in TidBITS#157. I'd
  like to clarify my poorly written CompuServe statement.

  SoftArc has two pricing schemes for FirstClass. The price list is
  for our corporate customers, who make up the majority of our
  business. We also have a series of "BBS Specials" for those people
  who want to set up a truly public BBS - free access etc. The BBS
  Specials are less expensive overall, and include the command-line
  interface for VT100 access. The prices for these systems (all of
  which include all manuals, a hardware-handshaking cable, two
  network users and two ports) are:

    250 user system:  $295
    500 user system:  $395
    1000 user system: $495

  We offer the upgrade deal for both price lists, with a twist. If
  you are purchasing a system from our commercial price list, you
  get $100 off - right off the top. If you are purchasing a BBS
  Special, you get the "next largest system". In other words, a 500
  user system will cost $295 with the trade in, and the 1000 user
  system is $395.

  The upgrade path is available for TeleFinder and Novalink Pro
  users, and we've recently added Second Site. Due to the success of
  the program, we have considered similar upgrades for TBBS and
  PCBoard when we release our Windows interface (Real Soon Now). We
  do not offer such a trade in for Hermes as the licence is not
  transferable.

  I should also take this time to note that we have been able to up
  the volume on some items, and have therefore lowered prices on
  these items. Effective for the last two months, the price of the
  Multiport Upgrade Package (consisting of a four port Hurdler card,
  four cables and a four port licence upgrade) is now $695, down
  from $895 for our BBS users. A new supplier of cables has lowered
  the price of our Carrier Detecting Hardware Handshake cables to
  $25, down from $35, and we will also sell these in lots of 10 or
  more for $15 per cable.

  Finally, I'd like to mention that with the release of Michael
  Connick's FirstClass FidoNet gateway just recently, I have been
  able to put our support BBS, SoftArc Online, onto the FidoNet. We
  will now happily accept mail at the following addresses:

    sales, SoftArc Online         OneNet
    Maury Markowitz@1:250/250     FidoNet
    [e-mail]    Internet
    70511,2065                    CompuServe
    SoftArc                       America Online

  Information from:
    Maury Markowitz -- [e-mail]


Darker Video Toaster Reality
----------------------------
  Matthew B Cravit writes:

  I noticed a comment in TidBITS#158 about the Video Toaster. You
  commented that it becomes an increasingly sophisticated and cool
  system. This is true; however, being a broadcasting and computer
  science major, I thought I'd offer a couple of caveats about the
  Toaster system:

* The $5,000 price mentioned on the video tape is very low. To
  actually utilize the full capabilities of the Toaster requires the
  following:

    1         Video Toaster System
    4         Time base correctors
    1 or more Single frame controllable VCRs
    1 or more Single frame VCR controller boards
             (These two for doing 3-D animations)

  Total cost for a complete system (S-VHS VCRs) is actually closer
  to $12,000 - $15,000 range.

* Secondly, for anyone who works with a production studio (i.e.
  other video production equipment such as character generators,
  video switchers, etc.), BEWARE! The Video Toaster has major
  problems synching itself to other pieces of production equipment.
  Here at Michigan State, we attempted to play a 3-D animation from
  a Toaster onto a program we are producing. We fed the Toaster's
  (supposedly) genlocked, synched output into our Grass Valley Group
  Inc. video switcher, and even with a professional video engineer
  attempting to synch the Toaster and the switcher, the color
  information coming from the Toaster shifted so much that we could
  not use the resulting tape since it failed the FCC's requirements
  for broadcast video.

  So, the toaster is a lot more expensive than NewTek claims. It
  also has trouble interacting properly with other production
  equipment. So if you are using it on its own and have money to
  burn, it's a great system. Otherwise, be prepared to waste a lot
  of time and money for marginal results.

  Information from:
    Matthew Cravit -- [e-mail]


New Printers & Scanner
----------------------
  by Mark H. Anbinder, Contributing Editor -- [e-mail]
     Technical Support Coordinator, BAKA Computers Inc.


  Months ago, when Apple announced that the StyleWriter printers
  would be in short supply, some suspected Apple wouldn't
  manufacture more to meet the unexpected demand because it had a
  replacement waiting in the wings. Among the four printers Apple
  introduced last week is the sleeker, zippier, sharable StyleWriter
  II. The others are the LaserWriter Pro 600 and LaserWriter Pro
  630, and the succinctly-named Apple Color Printer. At the same
  time, Apple added a color version of the OneScanner to its imaging
  products lineup.


StyleWriter II
  The StyleWriter II, with its $359 suggested retail price, has a
  number of advantages over its predecessor besides its way-cool
  curvy design. The printer is approximately two times faster than
  its predecessor, eliminating one of the biggest complaints about
  the StyleWriter. Apple's new GrayShare technology offers both
  grayscale printing that the company says is comparable to the
  quality offered by LaserWriters, and the ability to share the
  printer over an AppleTalk network with other Macintosh users.

  The printer includes the full set of familiar LaserWriter fonts in
  TrueType format, offers a multipurpose paper tray for up to 100
  sheets of paper or fifteen envelopes, and prints up to one page
  per minute in best mode or up to two pages per minute in normal or
  draft.

  It's hard to tell whether this is an advantage or disadvantage,
  but the new StyleWriter II is a single-piece unit, whereas the
  original StyleWriter is a two-piece printer. The detachable sheet
  feeder made the printer suitable for portable use. The all-in-one
  design of the new model may make it less confusing but eliminates
  the option of taking a streamlined printer along when you travel.

  Of course, there are better solutions for portable printing these
  days, such as the battery-powered WriteMove II from GCC and the
  Diconix line from Kodak, so portability was probably no longer a
  big concern for the StyleWriter II's designers. Still, since the
  StyleWriter is better suited to desktop printing than these
  portable printers, it is a drawback.


Apple Color Printer
  More of a novelty in Apple's printer lineup is the Apple Color
  Printer, a $2,349 printer offering 360 dpi output on up to 11" x
  17" paper, thanks to its Canon P691 Color Bubblejet engine. This
  printer connects to the Mac as a SCSI device but also offers
  printer sharing capability so other users on the network can use
  it. It supports Apple's new ColorSync architecture, which promises
  a standard way of matching image colors all the way from scanning,
  through editing, to output.

  The Color Printer bears a striking resemblance to the ImageWriter
  II (this one won't be called sleek or curvy), though at 20.5
  inches wide, it's a few inches broader than its cousin. Its use of
  four separate ink cartridges (black, cyan, magenta, and yellow)
  provides a much better color range, at a much better resolution,
  than the ImageWriter II with a color ribbon, and the separate
  cartridges also mean there's no wasting seldom-used colors.

  In our opinion, the Apple Color Printer is too little, too late.
  It goes up against well-established competitors, such as Hewlett-
  Packard's DeskWriter C printers, and, yes, even the more-expensive
  color printers from HP, Tektronix, QMS, and others. It has the
  very real disadvantage that, as a SCSI device, it's likely to have
  interface problems galore, and we're just not sure that it offers
  sufficient print quality to compete with printers half its price,
  much less printers twice its price.

  Answer us one question, Apple. Why is Apple's first real color
  printer also its first product in years (if not its first product
  ever) to sport a simple white-on-black Apple logo where the
  familiar rainbow-striped one belongs?


LaserWriter Pro 600 & 630
  The LaserWriter Pro 600 and 630 printers may be most exciting for
  those interested in small-workgroup computing; they offer 300 to
  600 dpi output with their Canon EX laser engines along with
  feature sets otherwise comparable to those of the LaserWriter IIf
  and IIg.

  Both printers sport a 25 MHz 68030 processor (the same as the one
  inside the Macintosh IIci) but varying amounts of memory (4 MB
  standard for the 600 and 8 MB for the 630, both upgradeable to 32
  MB). The 600 lacks the 600 dpi capability, which can be added with
  the optional PhotoGrade upgrade kit (i.e. a memory upgrade to 8 MB
  of RAM, and Apple's press release says, "As a special introductory
  offer, Apple will ship the LaserWriter Pro 600 with 8 MB of RAM,
  enabling users to take advantage of 600 dpi resolution and the
  superior grayscale printing capabilities of PhotoGrade."), and the
  Ethernet and SCSI ports provided by the 630.

  It seems a bit odd that a printer called "LaserWriter Pro 600"
  would offer 600 dpi printing only as an option, but we've given up
  trying to figure out Apple's product naming strategies. The
  LaserWriter Pro 600 retails for $2,099 and the 630 for $2,529.


Apple Color OneScanner
  The $1,349 Apple Color OneScanner (to ship in Feb-93) can be aptly
  described as a color version of Apple's popular OneScanner,
  including the new Color Ofoto 2.0 scanning software from Light
  Source. It offers the same ColorSync technology as the Apple Color
  printer, so matching colors all the way through the image
  manipulation process will be much easier. A number of third-party
  vendors, including Aldus and SuperMac, have committed to
  supporting ColorSync, as well.


Lower Prices
  At the same time, Apple has reduced the retail prices of several
  of its previous imaging products, as follows:

    LaserWriter IIf w/Toner & Cassette                $1,869
    LaserWriter IIg w/Toner & Cassette                $2,309
    LaserWriter IIf Controller Board                  $1,015
    LaserWriter IIg Controller Board                  $1,455
    Personal LaserWriter NTR w/Toner & Accessory Kit  $1,649
    Apple OneScanner w/Accessory Kit                    $949
    Apple OneScanner w/Accessory Kit for Windows      $1,059

  So, not only has Apple introduced a good crop of imaging products
  at reasonable prices, but it has also brought some of its existing
  products closer to the reach of users lacking deep corporate
  pockets. There are some odd problems with the new products, and it
  remains to be seen how they'll do in the marketplace. The best
  news, we feel, will be the significant price drops on the existing
  technology. The star? Inexpensive IIf and IIg upgrades for all our
  old LaserWriter II printers!

  Information from:
    Apple propaganda


Booth Bimbos
------------
  Those of you who have gone to Macworld have encountered the booth
  bimbo phenomenon. It's not a sexist phenomenon as such, applying
  equally to the pretty young men and women who work as scenery at
  various booths. Universally, these people have no clue about the
  products they represent; instead they hand out buttons and
  propaganda, smile nicely, and act as props for the larger show
  that goes on around them.

  It's easy to condemn large companies for using booth bimbos
  instead of bringing some of their overworked and underpaid
  technical support staff, some of whom even look like normal people
  and most of whom will answer most any technical question. Small
  companies that have small staffs should get a little slack,
  although you wonder how they can afford to spend so much money on
  a large booth that needs booth bimbos, but can't afford or don't
  need the staff normally. Smaller companies like Aladdin, Dantz,
  and Nisus manage without booth bimbos, pressing their entire
  staffs and the occasional friends, relatives, or significant
  others into service as necessary.

  The subject of booth bimbos rises to the surface every Macworld in
  one way or another, buoyed by hot air, fluff, and hairspray, and
  this year it was prompted by a real-world description of what a
  booth bimbo will go through to look "sexy, but not sleazy... or
  maybe just a little bit sleazy." The booth bimbo in question
  lacked a certain physical attribute to achieve the required look,
  but being resourceful (she apparently described herself as a
  drummer, dancer, and actress - I wonder if she added booth bimbo
  to her resume?) she enhanced herself with two cleverly placed
  sweatsocks and about nine feet of duct tape (right, the sticky,
  strong, grey stuff) to create the illusion of bustiness.

  After squirming into the booth's costume, a petite jumpsuit that
  zipped up the front, she lowered the zipper to just above the duct
  tape region and then employed the age-old technique of finding an
  excuse to constantly bend down for maximum cleavage exposure. And
  all most people wanted was specs and to find out if the product
  being hawked was compatible with their existing hardware. Sigh.

  Perhaps this story is an extreme look at previously secret booth
  bimbo techniques, but it comes from a reputable and rather
  irritated source closely placed to this particular booth bimbo. If
  you have an especially funny booth bimbo story, send it to us, and
  perhaps we'll do a "Best of the Bimbos" article. Eventually
  companies will realize that showgoers don't give a damn about a
  extra skin or sexy hair styles. It's certainly never entered my
  product choice process - can you imagine? "Well, WhizzyWriter has
  all the features I need, but the babes at the WriteStuff booth
  sure were cute. I'll buy the WriteStuff instead." Get real,
  people. It's not as though there's even an image involved with
  most of this stuff. "If I buy the WriteStuff bodacious women will
  see me as a macho hombre studpuffin and drape themselves over my
  body whenever I'm writing."

  I'd like to suggest to any company that feels it needs booth
  bimbos at the next show that they instead buy some life-size
  blow-up party dolls of both sexes, dress them in appropriate
  costumes, and pose them in anatomically correct booth bimbo
  positions with some propaganda in their inflatable hands. Think of
  the money saved and the smiles it will create. Alternately,
  unchain another tech support person from the phones. They like
  that sort of thing.


Booth Bimbos on CD-ROM?
-----------------------
  The last Expo in Boston was the first time we saw pornography
  seriously hit CD-ROM, with BodyCello displaying the first
  QuickTime adult movies. I wasn't surprised to see that, but this
  year a startling number of vendors hawked X-rated wares. I didn't
  see the CD-ROM of Macworld Booth Bimbos, but I'm sure, now that
  I've mentioned it, it will appear at the next show. You know,
  grainy QuickTime movies of naked men and women getting it on with
  SCSI devices while wrapping each other in DAT tape taken from the
  latest backup set in the heat of passion. Heady stuff.

  I counted at least four, and maybe five vendors selling adult
  CD-ROMs. Most included pictures or QuickTime movies, although one
  had gone so far as to build a game into the CD-ROM so you had to
  win to see skin. The game? Nothing too challenging - scissors,
  paper, rock against a random computer picker. Reactor advertised
  Virtual Valerie II, though I didn't see a demo so it might not be
  shipping. Based on the handout, Valerie and her environs have been
  rendered in 3-D this time, but game play remains similar.

  I commented on the increase to a man working at one of these
  booths, and he said that they market what sells, and sex sells. I
  guess he's right, although I wonder why people put up with low-
  resolution photos and terrible QuickTime movies (using a slower
  machine with less RAM to watch these movies results in lousy
  performance, in all senses of the word) when they can visit a
  video store and choose from lots of titles or buy a Playboy with
  high-quality, full-color photos and those gripping interviews that
  everyone pretends to read instead of ogling the models. Then
  again, as Gerard van der Leun said in the premiere issue of Wired
  magazine, "Sex is a virus that infects new technology first." That
  explains the initial popularity of VCRs, and it looks as though a
  number of vendors believe the same thing will happen with CD-ROM
  drives. In the same "This is a Naked Lady" article, Gerard also
  said, "Sex, as we know, is a heat-seeking missile that forever
  seeks out the newest medium for its transmission." Seems apt.

  Of course, if I truly objected I would not provide all the phone
  numbers. But then again, if I were offended by this stuff, I
  wouldn't have written this article. I think the movement is
  interesting, though I would far rather play The Journeyman Project
  on CD-ROM once Apple ships the AppleCD 300; although the latest
  rumors we've heard on that front say not to hold your breath, as
  you will turn blue and die well before the external CD-ROM drives
  appear at your dealer. It seems that Apple doesn't have enough of
  them, and those that it does have go into the IIvx and Performa
  600.

    BodyCello -- 800/922-3556 -- 619/536-2397 (fax)
    Bonobo Productions -- 310/452-5613
    Laser Concepts -- 800/882-6959 -- 818/884-9437
      818/884-6959 (fax) -- [e-mail]
    Pixis -- 800/697-4947 -- 714/753-9709 -- 714/753-9255 (fax)
    Reactor -- 312/573-0800


Now Up-to-Date 2.0
------------------
  I'm particular about calendar applications. I want complete power
  over repeating events, the ability to create to do items with
  varying levels of priority, non-modal reminders that won't
  interrupt my automated email procedures, and the ability to easily
  see what's coming up in the next week or so. For a year or so I
  used and liked the shareware Remember? from Dave Warker, and then
  Now Software sent me Now Up-to-Date 1.0 (NUD) to evaluate. I liked
  version 1.0, but I had some serious reservations, and as is my
  wont, I made my opinions known to Now. This put me on the beta
  list for version 2.0, and I'm pleased to report that Now
  implemented almost all my suggestions and fixed all my complaints
  in the latest version of NUD, which shipped at Macworld SF.

  NUD attempts to serve as a complete calendar and To Do program for
  individuals and as a network-based scheduling system for groups.
  It offers public events, so that in an office situation
  individuals can keep their own personal events and also tap into
  various group events for tracking meetings, vacation days,
  birthdays, and the like. In either case, the calendar system
  updates well across multiple machines, so you can have your
  calendar on a desktop computer and take it home with you on a
  PowerBook too. This article focuses more on NUD's capabilities for
  a single person, because that's how I use it.


Views
  NUD excels in the number of views to your schedule that it
  provides. You can view events in Year, Month, Week, Multi-Day,
  Day, and List views, and you have a fair amount of control over
  how each view looks. One thing I appreciate is that you can edit
  events easily in any view other than Year, and to make basic
  changes to an event like the time or its title, you don't have to
  enter the Event Info windoid that holds all the event's data.

  I don't need to specifically schedule events throughout the day
  since I work at home and have few meetings. As such, I leave the
  Month view open on my main 13" screen so I can glance at it to see
  what's happened and what's coming up. I like Month view best for
  viewing floating Post-It notes and floating banners (good for
  showing how long guests will stay, etc.). In Month view you can
  paste graphics into days (such as a Mac icon on October 19th every
  year for Apple's product introductions :-)), or you can have them
  free-floating like a banner or Post-It note.

  Now added prioritized To Do items to NUD 2.0, and realizing that
  none of the temporal views (Month, Week, Day, etc.) made sense for
  viewing To Do items, they also added a customizable List view
  where you specify what parts of an event (Title, Priority, Start
  and Stop Time, Done status, and so on) show up in the list, and
  you define up to four ordered keys for sorting. You can create
  multiple list views (and different layouts for the Month view)
  showing different information, and you can keep multiple windows
  open at once.

  I'm pleased to report that NUD understands about multiple screens,
  so I can zoom my List view on my SE/30's smaller screen and it
  zooms to fill only the SE/30 screen rather than the main 13"
  monitor. Out of the many calendar applications on the market that
  I've seen, NUD 2.0 offers the greatest flexibility for viewing
  your schedule.


Networking
  Now fixed NUD in 2.0 so that single users like myself can assign
  colors and styles to different categories of events without
  turning on NUD's powerful network capabilities, which allow
  multiple people to share a calendar over a network and keep their
  personal events private. NUD works nicely on a PowerBook, since
  when you disconnect from the network to leave, you have the latest
  version of the calendar, and when you return, NUD automatically
  updates the network calendar to account for events created or
  modified while you were away. I've only used this updating ability
  a few times, but it strikes me as easier to use and more powerful
  than the previous version.


Reminder
  Now enhanced reminders significantly in NUD 2.0. Version 1.0 used
  a modal dialog reminder that interrupted automated email, much to
  my irritation, but 2.0 uses the technology from the AlarmsClock
  extension (now called Reminder), which previously shipped with the
  Now Utilities. In 2.0 you can choose whether reminders will be in
  a modal dialog or be non-modal, flashing reminders that replace
  the included menu bar clock and optionally make a sound. You can
  snooze or dismiss events from a menu that drops down from the menu
  bar clock, and if a To Do item is ringing, you can mark it as Done
  from the menu.

  Reminder's menu can display the rest of the day's events and To Do
  items, and it allows you to create new items and edit existing
  items even when the NUD application is not running. I have enough
  RAM to leave NUD running all the time, but many people will
  appreciate the ability to create and edit events without running
  the main application.


Printing
  I seldom travel, and especially since I can keep NUD running all
  the time, I have little interest in printing my calendar. However,
  NUD provides flexibility in printing as well, allowing you to
  choose the dates to print, the page style (NUD supports numerous
  organizer sizes and styles and prints guides for punching the
  pages), and the view you want to print. The only time I've printed
  pages is when I went to Macworld and wished to have a paper
  schedule to carry around with me. NUD has a graphical Day view
  that shows how conflicting events overlap in time, making it as
  easy as possible to determine which Macworld parties to attend and
  which to skip because of time conflicts. Those who use a Sharp
  Wizard to track appointments while away from the desk will
  appreciate NUD's improved import and export routines that are not
  only more flexible but also speak directly with a Sharp Wizard.

  Overall, I'm pleased with NUD because Now addressed almost every
  one of my concerns about the first version and the subsequent
  betas. I still have a few quibbles, such as the inability to
  attach banners to a range of dates, and the strange interface for
  assigning a color to a category (for some reason you do that in
  the Define Sets dialog, rather than in the Define Categories
  dialog) but these are thoroughly trivial quibbles, and I recommend
  NUD highly. $65 discounted (for a single user, multi-user packs
  are available).

    Now Software -- 800/237-3611 -- 503/274-2800
      503/274-0670 (fax) -- [e-mail]


Reviews/18-Jan-93
-----------------

* MacWEEK -- 11-Jan-93, Vol. 1, #2
    File Synchronization Utilities -- pg. 63
      Inline Sync 1.0
      PowerMerge 1.01
      ShuttlePilot 1.01
      Update! 1.1
    STATUS*Mac 3.0 -- pg. 63
    PixelCraft ColorAccess 1.3.3 -- pg. 70
    Kai's Power Tools 1.0 -- pg. 71

* BYTE -- Jan-93
    Envisio ColorFrame -- pg. 66
    Desktop Mapping Software -- pg. 188
      GeoQuery 3.0
      Tactician 2.0
    Electronic Cameras -- pg. 241
      Kodak DCS 200ci
      Sony MVC-7000


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