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INFO-HAMS Digest Mon, 11 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 100
Today's Topics:
Modifiying radios for out of band operation
NASA Prediction Bulletins
rec.ham-radio is out of control (2 msgs)
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Date: 11 Dec 89 14:50:33 GMT
From: shlump.nac.dec.com!ryn.esg.dec.com!pstjtt.enet.dec.com!taber@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Modifiying radios for out of band operation
Message-ID: <613@ryn.esg.dec.com>
In article <5593@orca.wv.tek.com>, miker@porkface2.WV.TEK.COM writes...
>In article <31142@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> amirza@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (anmar mirza) writes:
>> A better solution
>>would be a nationwide emergency frequency (similar to the FAA scheme) open to
>>all for use and monitored by all police/fire/emergency services.
>
>We already have one of those. It's called channel 9.
Unfortunately, channel 9 is on a frequency that is often not useful for
local communications (which you assumedly want if you're looking for
police/fire/emergency commo.) You really need something in the VHF/UHF
frequency range. Talking to west Texas from Massachusetts can be fun in
some instances, but not if you're trying to get an ambulance.
>>>==>PStJTT
Patrick St. Joseph Teahan Taber
Mail address: nahhhhh, you don't want to send me mail....
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 89 18:11:32 EST
From: tkelso%galaxy@afit-ab.arpa (TS Kelso)
Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins
The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are
carried on the Celestial RCP/M, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times
weekly. Documentation and software are also available on this system. As a
service to the amateur satellite community, the most current of these elements
are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below.
The Celestial RCP/M may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud
using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.
- TS Kelso
SYSOP, Celestial RCP/M
- Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #613 -
Alouette 1
1 00424U 62B-A 1 89339.86776004 .00000489 00000-0 57472-3 0 2464
2 00424 80.4637 116.6546 0024294 49.7616 310.5649 13.67259080356275
SOLRAD R/B
1 00727U 64001 A 89338.30855340 .00000462 00000-0 38270-3 0 3221
2 00727 69.8993 91.6034 0016117 245.3207 114.6222 13.93643996316791
ATS 1
1 02608U 66110 A 89336.18192593 .00000000 00000-0 99999-4 0 829
2 02608 13.3626 15.2628 0003298 329.7603 30.2210 1.00390398 578
Cos 185 R/B
1 03019U 67104 B 89341.23432525 .00010086 00000-0 68710-3 0 5178
2 03019 64.0696 283.8777 0196987 205.3314 153.8030 14.92244858130872
ATS 3
1 03029U 67111 A 89339.15000023 -.00000074 00000-0 99999-4 0 2739
2 03029 12.9664 22.7925 0017023 205.0487 154.8559 1.00272475 80856
Cosmos 398
1 04966U 71 16 A 89341.19273157 .00082899 16304-4 50649-3 0 3209
2 04966 51.5278 348.7112 2414789 154.4764 219.8295 10.75174286570769
Starlette
1 07646U 75010 A 89339.87516620 -.00000034 00000-0 20653-4 0 9980
2 07646 49.8252 201.2237 0206197 272.7629 84.9687 13.82125864749048
LAGEOS
1 08820U 76039 A 89340.50131425 .00000005 00000-0 00000 0 0 9408
2 08820 109.8556 289.1071 0044889 279.3213 80.2276 6.38663863 61632
GOES 2
1 10061U 77048 A 89337.29930608 -.00000008 00000-0 00000 0 0 3308
2 10061 7.5759 66.1545 0008329 172.8675 187.0188 1.00278396 7071
GPS-0001
1 10684U 78020 A 89340.47331011 .00000009 00000-0 99999-4 0 2845
2 10684 63.6341 95.5154 0114417 198.2353 161.3531 2.00558396 71985
GPS-0002
1 10893U 78 47 A 89336.44971705 -.00000026 00000-0 00000 0 0 677
2 10893 64.4645 336.4971 0156466 26.2125 334.5949 2.00551633 84724
GOES 3
1 10953U 78062 A 89340.34019413 .00000086 00000-0 99999-4 0 7755
2 10953 6.4811 68.7875 0005785 235.9586 123.8479 1.00258627 2663
SeaSat 1
1 10967U 78064 A 89334.36486287 .00002688 00000-0 98172-3 0 2053
2 10967 108.0102 269.9985 0002982 272.0304 88.0493 14.35155733597925
GPS-0003
1 11054U 78093 A 89337.25357800 -.00000026 00000-0 00000 0 0 1235
2 11054 64.0024 332.8404 0054429 120.2534 240.3067 2.00564671 81758
GPS-0004
1 11141U 78112 A 89337.34948002 .00000009 00000-0 00000 0 0 2369
2 11141 63.6331 95.4962 0056277 318.9846 40.5935 2.00566154 80455
NOAA 6
1 11416U 79 57 A 89339.96310882 .00002089 00000-0 88566-3 0 9401
2 11416 98.5201 332.1892 0009734 337.8974 22.1953 14.26286213542381
GPS-0005
1 11690U 80 11 A 89340.47775022 .00000010 00000-0 00000 0 0 8736
2 11690 64.1163 97.3828 0111378 203.4877 156.0033 2.00558244 86371
GPS-0006
1 11783U 80 32 A 89338.30353859 -.00000026 00000-0 00000 0 0 23
2 11783 63.8008 332.4150 0143242 60.8575 300.5885 2.00571832 70411
GOES 4
1 11964U 80 74 A 89338.16994711 -.00000102 00000-0 00000 0 0 1095
2 11964 6.0509 71.6694 0030652 103.6094 256.6445 0.99230801 3710
GOES 5
1 12472U 81049 A 89338.19634916 -.00000246 00000-0 99999-4 0 7875
2 12472 2.9760 78.3416 0001044 111.4304 248.2329 1.00267036 30293
SME
1 12887U 81100 A 89341.08337243 .00036635 00000-0 10000-2 0 4037
2 12887 97.6689 13.6175 0003174 14.1376 345.9923 15.37332377451638
Meteor 2-08
1 13113U 82 25 A 89337.30940625 .00000442 00000-0 38711-3 0 6793
2 13113 82.5373 284.3194 0014428 313.4693 46.5259 13.84097726388634
Salyut 7
1 13138U 82 33 A 89341.03948526 .00043817 00000-0 76897-3 0 9122
2 13138 51.6073 186.4764 0001412 168.5690 191.5342 15.50091460434927
Cosmos 1383
1 13301U 82 66 A 89339.32717843 .00000230 00000-0 25847-3 0 5223
2 13301 82.9300 82.8569 0027775 338.4190 21.5788 13.67779571371179
LandSat 4
1 13367U 82 72 A 89339.89492494 .00002554 00000-0 57660-3 0 1771
2 13367 98.1923 40.9446 0003440 39.4822 320.6539 14.57134718393150
Meteor 2-09
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2 13718 81.2443 114.5697 0054864 233.2902 126.3232 14.13391371359666
IRAS
1 13777U 83 4 A 89338.49808616 .00000498 00000-0 37052-3 0 6968
2 13777 99.0330 173.2000 0011862 201.4624 158.6023 13.98702723 19727
Cosmos 1447
1 13916U 83 21 A 89325.07446472 .00000273 00000-0 27822-3 0 6617
2 13916 82.9469 165.9007 0039260 1.0348 359.0875 13.73978341334096
TDRS 1
1 13969U 83 26 B 89336.20859286 -.00000205 00000-0 00000 0 0 8857
2 13969 3.9869 67.4196 0003853 195.2689 164.4209 1.00264057 91109
GOES 6
1 14050U 83 41 A 89337.39699042 .00000120 00000-0 00000 0 0 429
2 14050 1.7397 80.4940 0000351 15.3874 343.7022 1.00261288 8301
OSCAR 10
1 14129U 83 58 B 89336.63123568 -.00000082 00000-0 00000 0 0 4438
2 14129 25.9081 231.0972 6020032 98.1182 330.0455 2.05883572 20686
GPS-0008
1 14189U 83 72 A 89339.39104786 .00000008 00000-0 99999-4 0 6874
2 14189 63.2660 93.9689 0140868 215.8202 143.2321 2.00562740 46876
Meteor 2-10
1 14452U 83109 A 89335.89563385 .00000788 00000-0 33320-3 0 7931
2 14452 81.1611 125.4532 0094733 334.1095 25.5166 14.22464387316386
LandSat 5
1 14780U 84 21 A 89339.92286879 .00002702 00000-0 60887-3 0 9924
2 14780 98.1462 38.6682 0004223 74.1218 286.0891 14.57156493306579
UOSAT 2
1 14781U 84 21 B 89340.20803493 .00003902 00000-0 74335-3 0 5646
2 14781 97.9813 33.8906 0013211 134.6547 225.5760 14.64546019307712
LDEF
1 14898U 84 34 B 89340.46238627 .00111776 00000-0 86210-3 0 681
2 14898 28.5037 29.5030 0002875 131.6187 228.4412 15.70408852318358
GPS-0009
1 15039U 84 59 A 89337.95586935 .00000008 00000-0 00000 0 0 7708
2 15039 63.0121 93.2434 0016261 242.5400 117.2973 2.00563365 40128
Cosmos 1574
1 15055U 84 62 A 89337.65835200 .00000247 00000-0 25423-3 0 8042
2 15055 82.9569 206.4119 0027725 144.3847 215.9158 13.73302988273236
Meteor 2-11
1 15099U 84 72 A 89332.23676021 .00000550 00000-0 48758-3 0 9835
2 15099 82.5320 235.8860 0014042 133.2292 227.0040 13.83754125272804
GPS-0010
1 15271U 84 97 A 89337.85425918 -.00000026 00000-0 00000 0 0 7318
2 15271 63.3049 332.0985 0104272 322.4517 36.8399 2.00570597 37231
Cosmos 1602
1 15331U 84105 A 89339.52400643 .00005121 00000-0 72585-3 0 1246
2 15331 82.5360 180.1996 0021996 245.3909 114.5023 14.76710262279495
NOAA 9
1 15427U 84123 A 89334.85051203 .00001037 00000-0 58374-3 0 4589
2 15427 99.1575 325.2179 0014768 202.9466 157.1044 14.12320761255989
Meteor 2-12
1 15516U 85 13 A 89337.60942549 .00000297 00000-0 25611-3 0 1341
2 15516 82.5344 169.9983 0017589 3.8422 356.2867 13.84229014244494
Cosmos 1686
1 16095U 85 86 A 89340.84606994 .00033608 00000-0 59297-3 0 4314
2 16095 51.6072 187.4348 0001396 186.7045 173.3646 15.50065581235993
GPS-0011
1 16129U 85 93 A 89341.00470119 .00000009 00000-0 00000 0 0 3735
2 16129 63.7738 93.9797 0120999 149.6914 211.0574 2.00561177 30500
Meteor 3-1
1 16191U 85100 A 89337.86430894 .00000043 00000-0 99999-4 0 8764
2 16191 82.5452 115.7891 0018913 234.8105 125.1245 13.16884596197854
Meteor 2-13
1 16408U 85119 A 89337.76089422 .00000414 00000-0 36103-3 0 5510
2 16408 82.5328 84.7394 0015401 181.2116 178.9008 13.84256964199016
Mir
1 16609U 86 17 A 89341.14189793 .00062019 00000-0 83953-3 0 2601
2 16609 51.6212 216.0061 0003315 132.8621 227.3062 15.57102988218135
SPOT 1
1 16613U 86 19 A 89340.99724391 .00000909 00000-0 44505-3 0 6917
2 16613 98.7229 53.2477 0001457 61.5646 298.5703 14.20026016 36655
Meteor 2-14
1 16735U 86 39 A 89337.83671813 .00000291 00000-0 25262-3 0 3395
2 16735 82.5351 111.5939 0013224 259.7477 100.2193 13.84001042177925
Cosmos 1766
1 16881U 86 55 A 89340.21002906 .00005578 00000-0 79557-3 0 8149
2 16881 82.5251 238.8493 0020397 260.1231 99.7676 14.76482672180664
EGP
1 16908U 86 61 A 89332.93418793 .00000006 00000-0 34764-3 0 1573
2 16908 50.0077 151.6160 0011413 46.5367 313.6416 12.44383300149923
FO-12
1 16909U 86 61 B 89332.51013140 -.00000025 00000-0 99999-4 0 1759
2 16909 50.0174 153.2103 0010997 44.1423 316.0292 12.44403023149867
NOAA 10
1 16969U 86 73 A 89341.24517571 .00001194 00000-0 54332-3 0 3137
2 16969 98.6221 8.3324 0014395 105.3773 254.8994 14.23345303167305
Meteor 2-15
1 17290U 87 1 A 89337.57205910 .00000399 00000-0 35120-3 0 3139
2 17290 82.4682 17.9147 0013611 142.1356 218.0767 13.83820752147040
MOS-1
1 17527U 87 18 A 89341.04859150 .00000872 00000-0 67438-3 0 3355
2 17527 99.1316 50.8787 0000420 127.5710 232.5507 13.94855720142473
GOES 7
1 17561U 87 22 A 89338.09744039 -.00000028 00000-0 00000 0 0 3800
2 17561 0.0271 312.5842 0001563 358.4673 48.9477 1.00209457 3468
Kvant-1
1 17845U 87 30 A 89340.82100867 .00011252 00000-0 15887-3 0 9318
2 17845 51.6198 217.6114 0003793 132.9551 227.2767 15.57087862154357
DMSP B5D2-3
1 18123U 87 53 A 89341.13866678 .00001421 00000-0 77052-3 0 4333
2 18123 98.8226 169.3350 0011677 213.8217 146.2211 14.13747959127260
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87 54 A 89341.08633354 .00000572 00000-0 61841-3 0 9663
2 18129 82.9251 110.4569 0010620 295.5417 64.4627 13.72038858123109
Cosmos 1867
1 18187U 87 60 A 89341.07370804 .00000168 00000-0 83502-4 0 314
2 18187 65.0129 260.0027 0015616 253.4672 106.4667 14.29475910125836
Meteor 2-16
1 18312U 87 68 A 89339.30513590 .00000219 00000-0 18868-3 0 3431
2 18312 82.5623 83.9713 0013636 77.1931 283.0832 13.83558863116173
Meteor 2-17
1 18820U 88 5 A 89339.92196958 .00000216 00000-0 18413-3 0 1767
2 18820 82.5442 144.0867 0016710 143.1581 217.0731 13.84251257 93443
DMSP B5D2-4
1 18822U 88 6 A 89339.74986335 .00001296 00000-0 61345-3 0 3398
2 18822 98.6685 217.5091 0007439 107.7116 252.5803 14.21129184 95345
AO-13
1 19216U 88 51 B 89329.66526591 .00000234 00000-0 37172 0 0 553
2 19216 57.0495 180.6314 6840542 215.8249 68.9355 2.09707370 11120
OKEAN 1
1 19274U 88 56 A 89341.07315025 .00001912 00000-0 27410-3 0 5837
2 19274 82.5176 336.6782 0023287 34.1356 326.1226 14.75886783 76577
Meteor 3-2
1 19336U 88 64 A 89340.66422346 .00000391 00000-0 99999-3 0 3204
2 19336 82.5431 53.6421 0018689 70.7190 289.5870 13.16871564 65613
NOAA 11
1 19531U 88 89 A 89340.07212109 .00001060 00000-0 60677-3 0 1738
2 19531 98.9583 283.4543 0013089 107.6506 252.6094 14.11329601 61720
TDRS 2
1 19548U 88 91 B 89339.26943078 .00000131 00000-0 99999-4 0 573
2 19548 0.0121 223.5886 0002012 17.0638 119.3545 1.00275390 3500
Cosmos 2001
1 19796U 89 11 A 89340.28986503 -.00001104 00000-0 99999-4 0 2816
2 19796 62.9287 117.9437 7183571 319.6002 4.9022 2.00562744 5937
GPS-0014
1 19802U 89 13 A 89338.52075951 .00000016 00000-0 99999-4 0 599
2 19802 55.0741 205.0947 0062145 156.5073 203.8624 2.00560310 5845
Meteor 2-18
1 19851U 89 18 A 89341.07251123 .00000117 00000-0 99999-4 0 1198
2 19851 82.5204 21.5229 0013954 178.2596 181.8626 13.83898438 38994
TDRS 3
1 19883U 89 21 B 89336.91458107 -.00000235 00000-0 99999-4 0 398
2 19883 0.0917 92.3178 0009572 176.2693 91.3288 1.00261923 1922
GPS-0013
1 20061U 89 44 A 89339.20367137 -.00000031 00000-0 00000 0 0 417
2 20061 54.6747 23.7180 0082718 170.2962 189.9183 2.00566282 3607
Nadezhda
1 20103U 89 50 A 89340.13542919 .00000268 00000-0 27549-3 0 555
2 20103 82.9599 67.3052 0036604 214.5819 145.2954 13.73539051 21215
GPS-0015
1 20185U 89 64 A 89339.17425154 .00000016 00000-0 99999-4 0 283
2 20185 54.9345 205.9483 0026354 136.7792 223.5175 2.00569769 6807
Progress M
1 20191U 89 66 A 89335.10830293 .00020749 00000-0 29200-3 0 906
2 20191 51.6226 246.2221 0003690 120.8954 239.3771 15.56616067 15600
Soyuz TM-8
1 20218U 89 71 A 89340.82094528 .00071042 00000-0 95963-3 0 901
2 20218 51.6291 217.6214 0003525 129.4092 230.4572 15.57101782 14346
Cosmos 2038
1 20232U 89322.32348737 0.00000004 0 263
2 20232 82.5710 125.8639 0010702 238.4398 121.5652 12.65099955 8208
Cosmos 2046
1 20259U 89326.86071613 0.00017745 29542-3 0 1246
2 20259 65.0309 96.5510 0010497 270.8635 89.2408 15.52083099 8721
Magion-2
1 20281U 89321.23047500 -.00001059 -33552-3 0 1176
2 20281 82.5944 3.0200 1263875 97.1649 277.4407 12.42778015 6251
1989 084C
1 20299U 89319.66030688 0.00005136 30662-2 0 296
2 20299 34.2162 136.1180 7090533 18.4605 357.8498 2.49665854 691
GPS-0016
1 20302U 89 85 A 89340.40327790 -.00000030 00000-0 99999-4 0 357
2 20302 54.7565 324.9164 0037694 305.6987 53.9667 2.00574461 888
1989 085B
1 20303U 89324.58710368 0.00008650 11234-2 0 264
2 20303 35.6522 154.4783 0337925 337.1459 21.4501 14.47461557 4377
1989 085C
1 20304U 89325.08364474 0.00163321 10792-4 15949-2 0 587
2 20304 37.7526 301.5327 5986438 226.4190 65.0844 4.17074007 1276
Meteor 3-3
1 20305U 89 86 A 89340.00979679 .00000090 00000-0 21935-3 0 311
2 20305 82.5515 354.2504 0017370 90.2149 270.1035 13.15843359 5548
1989 086B
1 20306U 89326.24293298 0.00003177 83495-2 0 414
2 20306 82.5552 3.9545 0017126 121.2901 238.9863 13.16044176 3734
IntelSat 6A
1 20315U 89331.91798177 -.00000222 10000-3 0 175
2 20315 0.1028 41.6104 0014547 219.5625 98.6861 1.00266854 270
1989 087B
1 20316U 89334.02695833 0.00006764 47963-2 0 337
2 20316 7.0300 182.4387 7262234 206.2815 82.9339 2.27829477 762
1989 070C
1 20317U 89 70 C 89335.48769175 -.00000018 00000-0 99999-4 0 172
2 20317 1.5631 288.4330 0233580 229.5139 128.4043 0.98761918 349
Cosmos 2049
1 20320U 89 88 A 89341.10797319 .00059554 00000-0 99999-4 0 495
2 20320 64.7783 181.8319 0047258 109.3464 251.2015 16.00129794 3163
COBE
1 20322U 89 89 A 89340.08122023 .00005549 00000-0 37545-2 0 221
2 20322 99.0250 347.4914 0006420 183.2904 176.8219 14.00544153 2448
1989 089B
1 20323U 89 89 B 89340.08905575 .00002036 00000-0 63095-3 0 119
2 20323 97.0672 345.4973 0080214 238.1897 121.1463 14.40122553 2514
Cosmos 2050
1 20330U 89 91 A 89340.82197660 -.00000828 00000-0 35928-2 0 166
2 20330 62.9925 319.1125 7372856 316.3835 4.6873 2.00593121 272
1989 091B
1 20331U 89 91 B 89341.17707001 .01288914 37848-4 15110-2 0 240
2 20331 62.8411 271.5184 0191125 121.1309 240.9408 15.81595872 2108
1989 091C
1 20332U 89 91 C 89341.17132215 .03107534 39229-4 10137-2 0 272
2 20332 62.9245 270.9088 0152275 122.8445 238.8588 16.03348176 2117
1989 091D
1 20333U 89 91 D 89339.17390320 .00000448 00000-0 34603-2 0 79
2 20333 62.9795 319.3309 7342477 316.3455 4.7921 2.04172749 245
Cosmos 2051
1 20334U 89 92 A 89340.60510894 .00011541 00000-0 18183-3 0 455
2 20334 64.9112 49.4193 0058327 222.1143 137.4682 15.51998566 1813
Kvant-2
1 20335U 89 93 A 89340.88581869 .00024990 00000-0 34439-3 0 350
2 20335 51.6212 217.2896 0002755 345.6293 18.0594 15.57062525 1633
1989 094A
1 20338U 89 94 A 89341.06305232 -.00000230 00000-0 99999-4 0 123
2 20338 62.8353 166.4985 7355064 288.0644 9.5586 2.00875562 183
1989 094B
1 20339U 89333.48648940 -.00043365 -93525+0 0 107
2 20339 62.7531 167.5095 7395417 288.0394 9.3716 1.96638094 20
1989 094C
1 20340U 89 94 C 89341.21325103 .00957188 12084-4 13471-2 0 313
2 20340 62.8108 135.0134 0210709 122.1915 239.8917 15.75242881 1387
1989 094D
1 20341U 89 94 D 89341.12742257 .01231012 36470-4 11409-2 0 302
2 20341 62.8276 135.5864 0262202 118.1344 244.6563 15.69230134 1376
1989 100A
1 20347U 89336.03993528 0.00029041 89388-2 0 44
2 20347 82.6186 353.2764 1217722 61.7842 310.0776 12.52429319 6344
1989 095A
1 20350U 89 95 A 89341.14829046 .00680197 28009-4 29093-3 0 238
2 20350 67.1512 259.1745 0120894 71.0347 290.4103 16.07275069 1051
1989 096A
1 20352U 89338.02083333 -.00000843 10000-3 0 29
2 20352 51.8649 23.4611 9249571 286.8769 184.5246 0.24291372 18
1989 096B
1 20353U 89 96 B 89340.98573942 .00219845 86355-5 15598-2 0 268
2 20353 51.5436 6.5704 1176540 134.9758 235.2810 13.40456209 692
1989 096C
1 20354U 89 96 C 89338.99999998 -.00000805 00000-0 99999-4 0 15
2 20354 51.6030 24.1780 9217879 285.2190 280.0690 0.25077369 07
1989 096D
1 20358U 89340.09108538 0.00154406 60314-5 10986-2 0 15
2 20358 51.5309 9.8768 1178242 132.5055 238.1422 13.40080762 572
Dr TS Kelso Asst Professor of Space Operations
tkelso@icc.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology
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Date: 11 Dec 89 17:30:21 GMT
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Subject: rec.ham-radio is out of control
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In article <Dec.11.09.56.33.1989.12326@topaz.rutgers.edu>, msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu (Mark Robert Smith) writes...
>The charter of rec.radio.shortwave specifically INCLUDES monitoring,
>on all bands. Unlike the elitist asses on rec.ham-radio, the founders
>of rec.radio.shortwave (and the voters) decided to include ANYTHING
>remotely close to monitoring shortwave radio.
No hobby that I'm aware of is completely free of asses. Please don't
the many by the ravings of the few.
>>>==>PStJTT
Patrick St. Joseph Teahan Taber
Mail address: nahhhhh, you don't want to send me mail....
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Date: 12 Dec 89 02:11:30 GMT
From: amelia!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!chguest@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Guest)
Subject: rec.ham-radio is out of control
Message-ID: <4171@amelia.nas.nasa.gov>
Found in rec.ham-radio:
In article <30500318@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
=>> AT LEAST get the *&^%*&%* SWL and monitoring stuff out of here! I
=>> mentioned this before. There now is a rec.radio.shortwave and yet
=>> this groups still gets deluged with frequency posts and other massive
=>> volumes of SWL related stuff.
=>Why do you think that the monitoring stuff should be in rec.radio.shortwave?
=>There are those who do one or the other and don't want anything to do with
=>the one they weren't interested in. By the NAME of the group, shortwave
=>listening goes there, but monitoring is still left out in the cold, and most
=>people still expect it to be HERE. So until someone gets off their other
=>end and sets up rec.radio.monitor I will continue to expect it to be here.
Phil, (and everyone else),
My understanding was that rec.radio.shortwave would be a place
for anyone interested in the monitoring hobbies to come for
discussion. There have already been several articles on jammers,
scanning, and broadcast band dxing there.
As a matter of fact when this was first discussed in news.groups
thename considered was rec.radio.monitoring. Because a number
of people felt that r.r.sw would be more descriptive for the
average usenetter, the name approved, (by vote), was r.r.sw.
However the charter allows the discussion of any monitoring topic.
Come on over......we would love to have you if you are interested in
these topics.
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