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INFO-HAMS Digest            Sat,  2 Dec 89       Volume 89 : Issue 960

Today's Topics:
                 (#1 in series) Listen to store secu
   (#1 in series) Listen to store security guards catch shoplifters
                              A new ham
                     Hallicrafters S27 receiver.
        Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski (2 msgs)
                     Weather Facsimile Reception
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Date: 2 Dec 89 15:11:44 GMT
From: samsung!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Jim Grubs)
Subject: (#1 in series) Listen to store secu
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

 > From: [e-mail]

> > From: [e-mail]
 > > > From: [e-mail] (Tad Cook)
 > ...
 > >  > over there by telling a lot of prospective hams that checking out a
 > >  > piece of ham gear ON THE AIR before buying it was a federal crime,
 > >  > because there was obvious pecuniary interest!  (In the examples being
 > ...
 > > It is NOT legal, Tad. Darin Arrick asked if it is legal. I replied by
 > quoting
 > > Part 97, to wit:
 > >
 > >      S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
 > >      (a) No amateur station shall transmit any communication the
 > > purpose of which is to facilitate the business or commercial
 > > affairs of any party. No station shall transmit communications as
 >
 > I believe it is ***LEGAL*** and here is why.....
 >
 > The keyword is "communication".  That is referring to the content of the
 > communication.  If use the radio to actually talk to the salesman and ask
 > him the price, or otherwise discuss the potential transaction, then the
 > actual communication, that is to say, the CONTENT of the transmission, is
 > pertaining to the business at hand.  That is not legal as I understand
 > 97.113.

I hope you're right. Considering the Commission's attitude on restricting phone
patching, I suspect they will take the narrow view rather than the broad view.

73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT


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Date: 2 Dec 89 15:11:56 GMT
From: samsung!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org![e-mail]  (Jim Grubs)
Subject: (#1 in series) Listen to store security guards catch shoplifters
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

 > From: [e-mail] (Steve Sampson)
 >
 > In article <[e-mail]>,
 > [e-mail] (Jim Grubs) writes:
 > > Part 97, to wit:
 > >
 > >      S 97.113 Prohibited transmissions.
 > >      (a) No amateur station shall transmit any communication the
 > > purpose of which is to facilitate the business or commercial
 > > affairs of any party. No station shall transmit communications as
 > >
 > > 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
 > >
 > One thing I've found in Ham Radio is that some people like to be Lawyers
 > for a day.  They see not the spirit of a rule, but the printed rule.  You
 > could take any of these rules and mold them to your thinking.  In this
 > case
 > I believe the spirit of the rule is to prohibit my operating a business
 > using
 > Amateur Radio frequencies.  By stretching that to read the way your
 > thinking
 > is anti-american.

I guess you weren't around when the FCC told us we couldn't even use ham radio
for things like a guy mobiling home from work asking his wife by phone patch
(or directly if she had a ticket) if she wanted him to pick up a loaf of bread
at the supermarket on the way.

73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT


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Date: 2 Dec 89 00:42:18 GMT
From: hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd![e-mail]  (Pat Thaler)
Subject: A new ham
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

>
>
> CONGRATULATIONS are in order for another young HAM.  Now if I can just get
> my 13 year old going on this....
>
>
>
> ->        Diana L. Syriac    CAP: SM, Freedom 690 Mobile     Ham: N1GZS  <-
> ->USmail:   GenRad Inc., Mail Stop 6, 300 Baker Ave, Concord, Mass.  01742  <-
> ->usenet:   {decvax,mit-eddie}!genrad!dls      or [e-mail]         <-
> ->tel:        [phone] x2459    I'D RATHER BE FLYING!!!            <-
> ----------

What worked with my 12 year old was to offer him an HT if he got a
Technician license.  Once he had his Novice, the 8 year old wanted
to take the class too.  For years my husband wanted me to get my
license, but I couldn't find the time to study code.  When the 8
year old got frustrated, I started studying with him and I got some
more interesting code tapes (Radio School).  I had my technician
within 10 weeks, it took him two 10 week classes.

I know a ham who will not approve his children getting a driver's
license until they have a license in case they have trouble on
the road.  That might be a strong incentive for a 13 year old.

Pat Thaler KJ6PU

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Date: Fri, 01 Dec 89 17:02:02 GMT
From: "Pete Lucas, NERC-TLC, Swindon U.K." <PJML@
Subject: Hallicrafters S27 receiver.
Message-ID: <01 Dec 89 17:16:08 GMT #[e-mail]>

I've been given the chance of a Hallicrafters S27 rx at a 'budget' price
because its not working...
(thats all the seller would say - it looks mint inside, all
the tubes are there, but nothing happens when you switch it on!).
Despite its age, i fancy it could still be a 'nice' alternative to modern
synthesized scanners.  IMHO,nothing beats a free-running, nicely
weighted knob for frequency control.
Theres a full manual & schematic  to come with it, and a spare set of
tubes, so fault-finding should be easy (i understand tubes better than
i ever will solid-state electronics!).
Anyone out there in Netland use one of these rigs who is
prepared to share experiences?
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+ It is the traditional role of the prophet to denounce systems of rule +
+  and life which deny the freedoms of the flesh or of the imagination  +
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+   PJML%UK.AC.NWL.IA@UKACRL                 PJML%UK.AC.NWL.IA          +
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Date: 2 Dec 89 03:42:49 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
Subject: Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

As a newspaper reporter and editor I routinely listen to all manner of
communications, including military, airline, etc. traffic, here on Guam.

The airwaves belong to the people as a whole, not the military, not cell
phone companies, police, etc., so I don't consider it as easedropping or
snooping. The American people pay taxes which buy the transmitters and
pay the salaries of thjose involved in communications, also making them
public domain.

We

We ignore about 99999.9999 percent of the calls we hear because they don'
t mean just a whole lot news-wise. The very small number we do act upon
are not frowned upon by the police, etc. because they know we are doing our j
just like them.

If a call comes in coded, so be it. Many of the business systems here use
encryption to protect their calls' privacy. That's also their right so long
as they identify their transmitter in the approved way (CW or English Voice)

The point is, I feel the ECPA is unconstitutional and in direct violation of
the 1934 regulations, but I will abide by the law, and I frankly don't care to
to a bunch of folks talk on their car phones, it's a waste of time for me.

Thank you for the forum.

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Date: 2 Dec 89 03:45:18 GMT
From: portal!cup.portal.com![e-mail]
Subject: Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

True, but does that car have windows? If the owner doesn't want
you to see in all HE or SHE has to do is darken them .

Other members of the public shou;dn't be expected to tint THEIR windows
so they don't violate poor John Doe's car interior privacy.

Your argument doesn't wash.

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Date: 1 Dec 89 17:45:53 GMT
From: hpda!hpcuhb!hp-ses!hp-ptp![e-mail]  (Ken_Buscho)
Subject: Weather Facsimile Reception
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I've been interested in wefax for some time, but haven't tried it.  Where
do you recommend to go to get info on starting up, equip, freqs, etc?

Thanks!


Ken Buscho, KC6AKD
Office Automation Coordinator         Unit Leader
Hewlett Packard                       California Explorer Search & Rescue
1266 Kifer Road                       354 Parrott Drive
Sunnyvale, CA 94086                   San Mateo, CA 94402
[phone]                         [phone]

Internet: [e-mail]
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"Support search and rescue, get lost"

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