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ztt-digest           Thursday, July 22 1999           Volume 02 : Number 124




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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:39:17 -0500
From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Good brand of CD for Audio copies

Did any of you check out the quality of the various brands of CDs that are
available to make audio copies?

I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May.  And over the
week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player did not recognized it
at all.

A friend of mine told me  that MAXELL has the worst CDs to make audio
copies.  Supposedly, VERBATIM also give suboptimal quality.

He did not have any problems with other brands of CDs so far.

Did anyone on the list find that other brands of CDs also make poor quality
audio copies?

Or, is there a brand known for its superior quality of audio copies?

Thanks,

Maggie

PS.  I am talking about audio copies and NOT mp3 copies.



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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:45:20 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Cliff's story and other things

Cliff : A perfect story, as I love Chinese food very much, and of course I
am a huge AON fan. That's very cool to hear !

For everyone else :

When is the scheduled release date for the "Dreaming In Colour" single ?
Will this one NOT be released in the US as well ? Anyone enter the Mixman
contest yet ?

NoiseWerker


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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:39:54 -0500
From: "Hendrickx, Margaretha" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) One more question about good burning practices

Has anyone tested whether the speed of burning makes a difference?

Someone told me that if I would burn a CD at a lower speed the signal would
be etched (or whatever the term is) in the CD.

Cheers * Maggie

PS So far Mitsui Gold received the most votes
BASF (Tayo Uden) and Sony are next.



>Did any of you check out the quality of the various brands of
>CDs that are available to make audio copies?
>
>I made an audio copy on a MAXWELL CD at the end of May.  And
>over the week-end, when I wanted to listen to it, my CD player
>did not recognized it at all.
>


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:01:14 -0700
From: "Paul & Vanda Eggington" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AON Custom CD

Lazlo-

The same thing happened to me, and I emailed CD-Now a couple of times about
it - only got form responses. Finally emailed amplified.com for help and
they sent me a password and instructions. I just told them the story -
didn't even give them an order number, but they responded promptly. I just
received the CD today. In CD-Now's defence, I did get an email from them a
few days ago (several days after I had already ordered the CD using the
password amplified.com provided), saying that someone would be contacting
me. Also, I did change my email address since last ordering form CD-Now, so
they might have sent the password to the old address. But this is more info
than you need, just contact amplified.com!

By the way, I got all 12 "songs".

Good luck and thanks for all the discogs, etc. etc.

Paul Eggington



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:42:34 -0400
From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC

Hey there
I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.

I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the
album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits).

It's at the very end of the video, after the girl and guy compare
'muscles' - a very short seen of a guy with horn-rimmed glasses in red
jacket sitting on a park bench.



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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:07:15 -0600
From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC

On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 02:42:34PM -0400, Charles Daraghy wrote:

> I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
> have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.
>
> I dont know if Trev had anything to do (ever) with ABC, perhaps the
> album was recorded at Sarm or something (i should go check credits).

Yes you should. :-)

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:30:21 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Joerg Fitzner)
Subject: Re: (ztt) trevorspotting: easy as ABC

> Hey there
> I was watching ABC's video for "The Look of Love" and thought I might
> have spotted Trevor Horn at the end of the video.

Right, but you've missed Paul Morley then!




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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:50:32 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Propaganda.....

I saw the video clip on the updated Propaganda website and then sent e-mail
to them asking if this was part of the video for the first single, if I
recall, the person at the other end said "yes it is"...If this is any
indication of how the new album will sound,well, I can hardly wait for its
Spring 2000 release! ......"there is no cause for concern"




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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (ztt) AON Mastering Flaws on Custom CD Tracks?

James Dawson wrote:
> I have a question, though: Has anyone else noticed the following mastering
> flaws, or do they only appear on my copy:

OK, let's catalog these. They sound to me like they're either in the
original recordings or are mastering errors, not duplication errors.
The undesirable effects can be found at the following locations:

Memory Loss {1:25}
The Subject Has Moved Left {1:33}
Structure {1:00}
Beat Box (Diverted) {6:01}

Any others?

Yet another plug for amplified.com's service -- After I informed them that
my CD never arrived, they sent a new one to me free of charge. I'm very
pleased with the custom CD and its packaging, and recommend anyone having
problems email them at [e-mail].


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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:15:54 +0900
From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Trevorspotting (choose production)

Please excuse the take on Trainspotting and its advertising jingle.

Someone mentioned that they wanted to hear the alternate version of Seal's
debut. Add to that wishlist the alternate but never released version of "Big
Generator" (back when Mr Horn was into that big time production sound) and
the fabled Mint Juleps and Wendy and Lisa albums. Actually, the unreleased
Mint Juleps album  is mentioned briefly in Holly Johnson's autobiography
(the part where the judge in the ZTT case tours ZTT studios and Steve Lipson
is demonstrating the synclavier).

Perhaps if ZTT or Trevor monitor this list then I might find a nice email in
my Inbox with MP3s attached. Well, we can all dream, can't we!!

Raymond A Koh - Trevor spotter extraordinaire
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English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............





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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:10:48 -0500
From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AoN vs. Lucas vs. Kubrick vs. Groening

I've been feeling the same thing about 1999: a big year for new work from
some of my favorite long-dormant creative types. I'd add to the Phantom
Menace and TSoCD list both Eyes Wide Shut (first Kubrick film in, what, 14
years?) and Futurama (first new Matt Groening show since the Simpsons in
1990).

I was seven when Star Wars came out and it changed my perspective on damn
near everything, influenced my tastes in not only movies, but books, music,
design, etc. Art of Noise in 1983 was a similar experience and continues to
influence and inform my musical taste to this day.

I beg to differ, however, with your reactions. Both Phantom Menace and TSoCD
exceeded my incredibly high expectations; I'm up to eight viewings of
Phantom Menace and TSoCD remains in heavy rotation. Neither was a "slow
burn," either; I was giddy at first blush on both and my appreciation and
admiration only grows with each viewing of Phantom Menace and each listen of
TSoCD.

Like you, though, I can't wait for more. We all know the long-range plan for
continued Star Wars prequels, but I'm wondering whether anyone's heard
anything more about the "alternate" versions of TSoCD planned ("The
Reduction of Claude Debussy," "The Production of Claude Debussy," "The
Abduction of Claude Debussy," etc.). Any new news on these?

JG
"I have forgotten how to walk and speak and am on the way toward flying into
the air, dancing."


        -----Original Message-----
        From:    Alexander J. Oss [mailto:[e-mail]]
        Sent:    Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:47 PM
        To:    Art-Of-Noise-Maillist
        Subject:    AoN vs. Lucas (I Don't Mean To Go Off On A
Rant Here)

        Expectation, expectation, expectoration.

        When I was eight or nine, I saw a movie that forever changed
my
        perspective on science fiction films and computer-assisted
art.
        The craftsman who created this movie made a few more, which
while
        handsome, were nowhere near as impressive.  Then there was
silence
        for over a decade.

        When I was thirteen or fourteen, I bought an album (and a
gazillion
        12" singles) that forever changed my perspective on
electronic
        music and further enhanced my appreciation for
computer-assisted art.
        The craftspeople who created this album made a few more,
which
        while intriguing, were nowhere near as impressive.  Then
there
        was silence for almost a decade.

        When I was thirty, that moviemaker rose from the dead to
create an
        incredibly anticipated "masterpiece", making use of state of
the
        art computer technology.  Unfortunately, without plot, and
an
        almost overwhelming CG presence causing a cartoon-like
atmosphere of
        unreality, the anticipation far outstripped the experience.
Not that
        I can't say I'm chomping at the bit for more.

        When I was thirty, those musicians rose from the dead to
create an
        incredibly anticipated Work Of Art, making use of state of
the Art
        computer technology.  However, the attempt at fusion of
classical and drum
        'n bass and jazz (trip-flop?) can't quite hold a tune, and
the anticipation
        outstripped the experience.  Not that I can't say that in
the event that
        Art of Noise return to the One True Manifesto ("And so
modern music goes
        round in this small circle, struggling in vain to create new
ranges of
        tones.  This limited circle of pure sounds must be broken,
and the infinite
        variety of 'noise-sound' conquered... the art of noise must
not limit
        itself to imitative reproduction") I wouldn't be chomping at
the bit to
        partake of their pleasures.

        "Bulgarian battalions marching croooc-craaac [slowly] Shumi
Maritza or
        Karvavena ZANG-TUMB-TUUUMB toc-toc-toc-toc [fast]"

        Such loss... but this time I didn't cry in the bathroom like
I did for the
        loss I felt when I heard Tom Jones and "Kiss" for the first
time, when
        genius antipop sank into crappop.

        Redemption is around the corner.  Present me with Noise, the
effort to
        translate the unexpected beauty in the sound of reality
around us into
        melody through technology, not a whole lot of d'nb loops
over pretty
        strings (can [or should] anyone say elevator Noise?).
Present me with THE
        TIMBRE OF MATHEMATICS, and THE RHYTHM OF MACHINES.  Present
me with THE
        NONTRADITIONAL, aka THE FUTURIST.  Should the best part of
the album really
        be sweet, filtered interjections from John Hurt?

        The skill is not in doubt.  The production values are still
high.  The aim,
        the goal, the purpose....... why is this seduction
considered an Art of
        Noise?

        Alexander J. Oss
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/alexoss
        "In song and dance, I express myself as a member of a
virtual community."


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:57:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (Cliff Tuel)
Subject: (ztt) New Propaganda lineup?

Anyone know the lineup of the "new" Propaganda?  Obviously Claudia.
Who else?  Who's the Karl that posted to this list, about the web site?
Not Bartos, by any chance?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:33:42 +0900
From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) 3" Mabuse

Man, have you seen the price of this baby on Ebay? There are some REAL
collectors out there. Would the owner care to MP3 the tracks to us all at
the list? (Note to ZTT* This is a joke)

Raymond A Koh
[e-mail]

English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............




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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:50:03 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Orbital/Art of Noise/Kraftwerk

Latest issue of Raygun magazine :

"Orbital meets Art of Noise"

  Paul Hartnoll talks with Paul Morley and Anne Dudley about drum machines,
Hatnoll's early punk days and how he switched over from liking the Dead
Kennedys to rap and fell in love with brother Phil's copy of "Beat Box"; how
both groups have been able to have the upper hand over the music industry
for so many years, commercialism, and both groups' love of Kraftwerk.

  Paul Morley (AON) ----- "You talk about Kraftwerk. I consider Kraftwerk to
be Group Zero. In the true history of music, they're the most important
thing, as opposed to the other history of music where Elvis Presley was the
most important."

Paul Hartnoll (Orbital) ----- "Kraftwerk is where it really all started."

Paul Morley (AON) ---- "And indeed where it will all finish."


For the ZTT list :

  Got all three Amplified custom CD's in the mail. Quite pleased. I love the
opening of "A Time To Hear (What languages are those voice samples in ? It
sounds like Italian and Japanese.) " and "Who's Afraid of Scale". Why is it
that some demo tracks sound better than the released versions ?

  As far as the "flaws" are concerned, I mean, what the fuck do you expect ?
They're demos for crying out loud; of course they're going to have glitches
in them !

NoiseWerker


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