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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:27:40 +0900
From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Chart Positions

It would be great if those people living in the UK and the US to keep an eye
open on the charts and to publish their findings on the list for us poor
souls who live in, for example, Japan, where copies of TSOCD are rather hard
to find and who have no idea where to access chart data. The last I heard
was that metaforce was languishing at 53 in the UK charts. as this as high
as it gets? That's what AON get for putting out an extremely conventional
track.

Ah well, I guess I will have to wait until I return the the UK in August to
hear my wonderful custom CD and the long awaited album.

ps I heard a section of the album on Japanese TV yesterday and I thought the
opera was very nice, contrary to what some others on the list thought!!

Keep dreaming in colour.............

pps On the Universal American release, is it "Dreaming in colour" or
"Dreaming in color"?

Raymond A Koh
[e-mail]

English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............




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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:47:32 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) TSOCD in Russia

Hello list,
I have just spend some days in Russia, where TSOCD naturally arrived ealy
July. It were in 3 out of 5 shops, that I visited. One legal store, where
the original was imported and two 'shops' with illegal pressings, where they
simple hardcopy both CD and front page! These illegal CDs are sold at 1.5 -
3.0 $ each - with gradual rebates, dependent on the number of CDs you
purchase. One of the shops listed rebates for 201-300 copies. I wonder how
many customers use these quantities!
Torben - the Dane




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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:01:25 +0200
From: [e-mail] (FGTH Fan Base)
Subject: (ztt) WTTP new entry on no. 16 in the UK charts

Hello list  !

I wonder if there is anybody who can tell me what is going on in England ...

What happened that Welcome To The Pleasuredome is new on 16 in the UK charts ?


Bye

Peter...xx

http://eurogay.net/mitglieder/holly

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:07:04 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (ztt) Holly Johnson update

Hello list
From http://www.pleasuredome.co.uk under news you'll find:
SOULSTREAM the forthcoming album is to be released in the 20th century.
OCTOBER 1999 ! .come back soon!
Go and look for yourself. The exhibition/poster pages are also updated -
indicating that Holly's pictures will be put on sale in the future.

Torben - the Dane



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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:33:39 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) :):):)

    Hello everyone !!!!

  I'm in a happy mood today (it is my birthday). I just felt like saying
that I love all you guys and that I have had a wonderful time chatting with
all of you. I'm going to see the Chems tonight in LA, so hopefully I will
have fun (the new CD was decent). Talk to you all on Sunday .

  (To Brendan from the Orbital list :

   Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has resulted
from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship to
you. Maybe everyone and I on the list diagree with just about everything you
say, :) but I don't want to make anyone feel like their in a hostile
environment. Welcome !!!!

(p.s. Vangelis STILL rules !!!! ;)



  Love,

Josh/NoiseWerker/Juno

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:35:29 -0500
From: Dave Cowen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) AoN Dreaming in Color Remix Contest on Mixman.com

Hey all --

Has anyone seen this? ( http://www.mixman.com/html/mz/contestframe.html )

> Create your own Art of Noise Remix of their song "Dreaming in Colour"
> using any Mixman software. When you're done.... go to Radio Mixman, click
> the Mixman Logo to submit your G2 RealAudio remix, select the "Art of
Noise"
> style and upload it by August 1st 1999. All remixes will be posted at Radio
> Mixman in the "Art of Noise" style for the fans to vote on . Whoever gets
> the highest rating may get their remix pressed onto the upcoming "Dreaming
> in Colour" 12"!

Dave Cowen ([e-mail])


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400
From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website

I preordered my disc from TWEC
haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc
version.

My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version.

:  (



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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400
From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3

Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting
Mix of "Snobbery and Decay".  He did not make the mp3 himself.

After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play.
MacAmp and Winamp wont play it.  And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either.

it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so!

a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it
seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'.
www.cdcopy.sk  has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the
player) is part of it.

the Mp3 file is on my webspace:  http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy

After downloading the file  (right click it's name and choose save as,
or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file
locally.  YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due
to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file.  Uncook fixes scrambled
sounding mp3's.

After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe)
it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec

Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and
re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better
compatibility.

The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though!
and it
does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and
decay.  just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out,
and you'll get an idea.

Mac users:  i have no clue what will play this.  Macamp doesn't work.
and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program.

THE MORAL?:  (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if
ZANG@ztt decides to chime in)
REISSUE THE DAMN SONG !


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:57:13 -0400
From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Act: snobbery promo mix on mp3

Someone in france gave me a really badly coded mp3 of the Moonlighting
Mix of "Snobbery and Decay".  He did not make the mp3 himself.

After much problems, I have finally been able to get it to play.
MacAmp and Winamp wont play it.  And i've heard Xing isn't playing it either.

it's the full 6:07 mix, but the file itself is only 330kb or so!

a PC application called "Small mpeg player" was able to play it, it
seems it's a component of 'cdcopy'.
www.cdcopy.sk  has the 2mb download for cdcopy and i assume smp3p (the
player) is part of it.

the Mp3 file is on my webspace:  http://www.bestweb.net/~cdaraghy

After downloading the file  (right click it's name and choose save as,
or mac users: hold option when clicking the file name), save the file
locally.  YOU MAY MOST LIKELY NEED TO RUN UNCOOK ON THE FILE due
to a frame out-of-sync problem with the file.  Uncook fixes scrambled
sounding mp3's.

After you uncook the file, you should be able to play it with small mpeg (smp3p.exe)
it was coded horribly, single channel 8khz at 3.8kb/sec

Other than me playing the file out to a DAT, and then re-sampling it and
re-creating a mp3 I dont know any other way to accomplish better
compatibility.

The song is the full 6:07 mix, somehow it's only a 330kb file though!
and it
does sound awful but you can hear the whole song and tell it's snobbery and
decay.  just imgine what realaudio first sounded like when it first came out,
and you'll get an idea.

Mac users:  i have no clue what will play this.  Macamp doesn't work.
and i dont know of a macintosh uncook program.

THE MORAL?:  (or immoral if you feel that strongly about MP3 / or if
ZANG@ztt decides to chime in)
REISSUE THE DAMN SONG !


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:47:19 PDT
From: "Juno Jackson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Off-Topic : Back with report

   Hey all !!!

Got back in today; I'm tired as hell !!!

The Chemical Bros. rocked !!!! One problem though.

THE DJ'S !!!!!

I arrived at the Hollywood Palladium at around 5:30 PM. The doors opened at
6:30. My friend and I had stood in the second row that was formed. Some DJ
they had (who name is unknown) spun shit for a good two hours. This REALLY
began to piss my friend and I off. Then finally Todd Terry came up and did
his set after that first load of dung had been dropped. Todd wasn't bad, but
he could've spun some better stuff.

Midway into the set, we had gotten so damn exhausted from standing that we
moved up to the balcony. Finally at 10:30, the Bros. appeared.
I felt like I was at some school dance. I almost went insane. I mean
I know that long DJ sets are typical at a rave, but I came to see the Bros.;
not to hear 4 hours of shit. If you mix, you need to have GOOD MUSIC and not
repetitive Chinese water torture. Made me think twice about having my
turntables repaired. ;)

   I didn't dance until they opened with "Hey Boy Hey Girl". I knew that I
would be dead by the time that they finally arrived on stage if I had done
so earlier. Too much treble though. And too many high pitched siren sounds
and grinding bomb distortion. There was this one girl who got up on stage
and flashed the crowd (that's when I regretted moving up to the balcony),
and one guy got roudy with the wanna-be bacon squad and was kicked out. The
place reeked of bud and sweat. It always suprises me how people sneak stuff
in after being frisked. I remember seeing Kraftwerk at the same place last
year and I was told that I couldn't bring in my CD's. I asked the security
guard if he could hold them until the end of the show because I didn't want
to step out of line to put them back in the car. Fucker ran off with them
after the show. Nevertheless, when the show started, some guy was waving his
vinyl copy of "Ralf & Florian" around in the air.
WHAT THE FUCK ???

  Also, I noticed once again that when older people have nowhere to go, they
come see what's up with us kids. It's so cute and silly to see old grandmas
and guys in their mid 40's who are all fried out of their minds dance with
their eyes closed. ;)

FOR THE ZTT/ART OF NOISE LIST :

Was at the Virgin Megastore at the Ontario Mills Mall earlier today;
they played bits from "Seduction", and I saw like, three of four copies of
the Yebo remixes in the clearance section for $3.99 ! :0

  I also got the issue of DJ magazine with the Anne & Paul interviews. There
was an ad for Metaforce in it as well, and DJ Michael Kilkie made the Rhythm
Masters remix number one on his list. There is also a photo and interview of
AoN inside of freebie mag Mean Street (a small Orange County based, US
publication that mostly specializes in punk with a dab of rap and techno).

  FOR THE YELLO LIST :

I finally picked up "Solid Pleasure" a few days ago; I must say that it is
quite trippy ! Chico Hablas' guitar solos on that album are so beautiful !!!

  NoiseWerker


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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:31:54 -0400
From: Charles Daraghy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) claude via the TWEC website

I preordered my disc from TWEC
haven't gotten my password yet, and disappointed that I got the 1 disc
version.

My roommate got the disc from cd-now and got the 2 cd version.

:  (



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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:03:53 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Juno's B-Day, Brendan, and an interesting observation.

Note: Ok, get out your green CD and put on The Moebius.  Do it!  This
post is a
lot neater if you do.  Turn the volume up a bit, too.

Juno: Happy Birthday!  Oh, and I agree with what you said about Brendan.

(To Brendan from the Orbital list :

   Despite everything that has been said, and the backlash that has
resulted
from your joining in and posting, I want to extend my hand of friendship
to
you.)

We love ya!  I don't disagree with anything because I immediately delete

anything with a thread name that I'm not interested in anyway = D!!
(Which is
about 32 messages per day now).  Don't get self-conscious, it's just a
mailing
list.  All we do is obsess about Orbital (and other music) to the point
of
idolatry and mental disorders.  We have no basis in the real world, as
you will
soon realize = ).  It's hard to be the new guy because your views have
not been
distorted and moulded yet.  You'll feel right at home when your
technical
prowess for music knowledge and appropriate Orbital obsession reach an
equilibrium.  Then you'll turn into one of the more respected members of
the
group, because you won't talk about music in layman's terms; you have a
good
idea of what you're talking about.  The heirarchy will continue to
evolve as you
become more obsessed with Orbital (Gatsby syndrome), and then everything
pretty
much starts to repeat itself (a twist in the fabric of space where time
becomes
a loop).  Posts will contain the same arguments (maybe about a different
group,
or by a different person), and the commotion will cause deja vu, etc.
Sometimes
the arguments change, or they stop or start.  There are different
variations
happening at the same times.  New people join, old ones leave; lurkers
surface,
and it all adds to the mix.  More new people come in, changing the
atmosphere.
Sometimes it's very intricate, other times it's slow.  Half of the time
it
appeals to some people, the other half it appeals to the other people.

In other words, this group is just a big Orbital song.  That's why we're
all
here.  Weird, huh?

                                        -Marc "I went to sleep at 7am
today" Sawaya




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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:53:38 -0600
From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Discog Update

The ZTT discography at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt has been
updated (finally!).  For the curious, a unidiff-format list of the changes
since the last update will be available for a while at

  <ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/lazlo/discographies/ztt-diff-19990711.gz>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:15:15 +0200
From: Coen van der Geest <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Huh!

Hi there,

Saturday, I was in Amsterdam, making the famous 3-recordshop-tour
(Boudisque, Fame, Concerto) and in only 1 of those shops I found TSOCD
from AON. For 67 guilders (roughly 33 dollar). I didn't buy it, since it
was the first shop we came into, hoping that it was somewhere else too.
Alas, the truth is that that was the only copy in Amsterdam for sale :-(
Was, because when I returned it was gone. Grrr. I asked why it was so
expensive. It was because ZTT only has the rights to sell in the UK and
the USA. Damn! He also didn't know anything about the custom CD
action...

Grtz
Coen


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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:37:42 -0500
From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) RE: Sigh / TCH tweakage

Perfectly sad, indeed. Out of interest, Jay, what new records have come out
this year that you *do* like? That *did* live up to your expectations?

Let me state for the record that, having had TSOCD for a few months now (I
got the 12-track promo a while ago), I am absolutely enamored of it and it
remains in heavy rotation at work, at home, in the car, on my radio show,
etc. No qualifiers: I *like* "Metaforce" and have been an Eric B & Rakim fan
since their debut album; I like the album beginning to end, top to bottom,
inside and out. This is the State of the Art in 1999.

My only minor gripe is with the 13-track version that was actually released.
I've said this before on the list, but let me say again that, in my opinion,
the 12-track promo version is *vastly* superior, with the un-broken
"Dreaming in Colour" and the different track order and without the extra
vocal overdubs and other little odds and ends they added. I wouldn't go so
far as to say they "ruined" the album with the 13-track version and its
associated tweaks, but I very much prefer the 12-track one, and not just
because I heard it first.

As an aside, this difference between the two versions has me wanting more
than ever to hear the "alternate" or "original" version of Seal's debut (I
think the details are in Lazlo's discog if you don't know what I'm talking
about). I gave up a while ago on finding my own copy, but now I'd like to
ask whether anyone has one that they'd be willing to CD-R for me. I'm
curious to see whether that last batch of tweaks compromised the quality
(like TSOCD) or improved it. Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance... speaking of Seal, I'm going to see him live for the
first time tomorrow night...

JG

        -----Original Message-----
        From:    Jay A. Hartman [mailto:[e-mail]]
        Sent:    Monday, July 12, 1999 11:52 AM
        To:    aon-chat
        Subject:    Sigh

        Well, unfortunately....I REALLY don't like the new cd.  I'm
SOOOO
        disappointed!  I'll hold onto it just so I can say that I
have it along with
        everything else, but I can't see me listening to the cd ever
again.  How
        perfectly sad.

        Jay


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