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ztt-digest            Sunday, July 12 1998            Volume 02 : Number 047




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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:52:52 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Hane)
Subject: (ztt) dollar & more

I'm a new subscriber to this list, so pardon me if this topic has been
addressed in earlier times.  I'm trying to fill in some of the earlier TCH
productions that never really reached the US.  I've got TCH's Dollar
productions, except for "Handheld in B&W," which I've never even heard.  My
trip to London: fruitless.

Is any of the TCH Dollar material available on the slew of Dollar
compilations on CD?  Any suggestions for obtaining the 45? The LP?  I'd
even be open to a cassette tape exchange...

While I'm at it, how about his early productions of Philip Jap, the Korgis
45, or this Chromium LP I just saw on the discography... is any kind soul
open to a sale or exchange?

Matthew Hane
Chicago USA




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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: (ztt) Comfort: HIGHLY Recommended Mail Order

A million thanks to those who recommended the Japanese mail-order service
called Comfort ([e-mail]). I ordered two Japanese CDs
from them, one of which was the 1995 Japanese reissue of Propaganda's "A
Secret Wish" that included the four bonus tracks. I mailed my order from Los
Angeles to Japan 17 days ago -- and received my order today! Now that's what
I call fast!

I was told by Comfort that the Propaganda CD is a hard-to-find item, and
that they may not be able to locate another copy. Still, it can't hurt to
send an e-mail asking about it, if anyone else wants a copy. They are VERY
prompt about e-mailing replies!

The CD is great, of course. Someone wrote that it is the vinyl mix of the
album, plus the four bonus tracks. I didn't dig my vinyl copy out of storage
to confirm that, but I can say that there are many songs on the Japanese CD
that are different (and not merely shorter) mixes of the equivalent tracks
on my old Island CD. The total length is 73:39, and the four bonus tracks are:

Femme Fatale (The Woman With Orchid) -- 3:20
Das Testaments Des Mabuse -- 6:32
Duel (Bittersweet) -- 7:37
P-Machinery (Beta) -- 10:49

An insert is included with the booklet, featuring song lyrics that are often
amusingly (if not mind-bogglingly) incorrect. Also, the paper "sleeve" that
covers the edge of the CD (and is written almost completely in Japanese)
lists other Japanese ZTT re-releases:

ZANCE (WPCR-15) no bonus tracks mentioned

FGTH "WTTP" (WPCR-16) 2 bonus tracks, previously mentioned by another poster
as being two mixes of "Two Tribes" (Fluke's Minimix 3:50 and Fluke's Magimix
5:27)

FGTH "Liverpool" (WPCR-17) 4 bonus tracks. I have this one, and know that
the bonus tracks are four more mixes of "Two Tribes" (Fluke's Moulimix 7:03,
Teckno Prisoner featuring Adamski 6:20, Legend Mix 5:13, Work-Out Mix 5:33)

Here's where things get tricky:

WPCR-18 is an Art of Noise CD that says it has one bonus track, but I can't
read what the title is (presumably "Who's Afraid..."). No idea what the
bonus track is. Anyone?

WPCR-19 is "Daft" with one bonus track. Don't know what that track is, either.

WPCR-20 is "A Secret Wish," plus four, as mentioned.

The next two catalog numbers are a different format, possibly meaning that
they are cassettes:

WMC5-644 is "Bang!", with no bonus tracks mentioned.

WMC5-695 is also by FGTH, but I can't decipher the title.

Anyway, hope this has been useful (and not too redundant of things that may
have been posted here before).

- --James Dawson
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:19:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Comfort: HIGHLY Recommended Mail Order

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, James Dawson wrote:

> The CD is great, of course. Someone wrote that it is the vinyl mix of the
> album, plus the four bonus tracks. I didn't dig my vinyl copy out of storage

I've really been considering ordering that cd from them, but I want to
make sure that the cd has the songs I want.  Since you ordered it, I can
ask you!

1)  Does it have "Frozen Faces" on it?
2)  Is the version of "Duel" the one with vocals (the lyrics to "Jewel")?
3)  Is the Dr. Mabuse/Strength to Dream the version that runs together and
is like 10+ minutes long?

Thanks!


Patrick



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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:01:14 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Comfort: HIGHLY Recommended Mail Order

Answering earlier questions in this thread:

* The bonus tracks on WPCR-18 ("Who's Afraid") and WPCR-19 ("Daft") are
  "Close-Up" and "Close-Up (hop)", respectively.

* WMC5-644 ("Bang!/Hits") is a CD, no different tracks but a slightly different
  track order from the UK issue.

* WMC5-695 is "Relax Remix": six "Relax" mixes and four "Welcome To The
  Pleasuredome" mixes, including old and '93/'94 mixes.

* WPCR-20 ("Secret Wish+4"):
  . Has "Frozen Faces" (which makes it "Secret Wish+5", really)
  . Has both the regular and bitter-sweet mixes of "Duel", both of which
    have vocals -- no surprise as "Duel" is a vocal track by default.
  . Does *not* have "Das Testament Des Mabuse" (the long version with
    "Strength To Dream" at the end), though it is labeled as having it (the
    track labeled "Das Testament..." is actually "Dr. Mabuse (13th life)").

Full details on all these releases are in the discography as noted below.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (James Dawson)
Subject: (ztt) More "Secret Wish" Details

I've now done A/B comparisons between the Japanese "A Secret Wish" and my
1985 UK ZTT/Island CD (CID 126). First, answers to some questions:

At 10:19 PM 7/8/98 -0400, Patrick Daly wrote:
>1)  Does it have "Frozen Faces" on it?

Yes, apparently the same 4:22 version as appeared on the original UK CD.

>2)  Is the version of "Duel" the one with vocals (the lyrics to "Jewel")?

Yes -- but the version of "Jewel" on the Japanese CD does NOT have words
(only "wails," but no intelligible lyrics as such). The track length on the
Japanese CD is 3:10, vs. 6:22 on the UK version. The 3:10 version seems to
be merely an edit of the longer one (as opposed to a remix), with the lyrics
section deleted.

>3)  Is the Dr. Mabuse/Strength to Dream the version that runs together and
>is like 10+ minutes long?

No, that was the version on the original UK CD, which was 10:41. The
Japanese CD splits them -- and puts "The Chase" between them! The Japanese
CD's "Mabuse" mix appears identical to the mix on the original UK CD,
although in shorter form. The most noticeable edit is that the "drum break"
portion does not appear. The beginning of the "Strength to Dream" track is
different from what appears within the UK "combined tracks," though. Also,
the combined length of the two individual tracks on the Japanese CD is
shorter than the UK "combined tracks" mix (5:03 plus 3:01 only totals 8:04,
not 10:41).

Other comments:

Parts of the Japanese CD are lower in volume than the UK CD, and some parts
seem "bassier." (Note: This is not a complaint.) Also, despite my first
impression, it seems that most of the songs are not different mixes but
edits (and several tracks are identical to their UK CD counterparts). And
the songs that do have sections mixed differently are identically mixed in
other parts. Here is a brief blow-by-blow:

"Dream Within a Dream"
UK CD: 9:09
Japanese CD: 8:04
Partially different mix, and shorter.

"The Murder of Love"
UK: 5:12
Japan: 5:16
The intro (the "martial drumming") is four seconds longer on the Japan CD,
but the rest seems unchanged.

"Jewel"
UK: 6:22
Japan: 3:10
As mentioned, this is an edit that deletes the lyrics portion of the song.

"Duel"
UK: 4:42
Japan: 4:47
I didn't hear any difference; the extra five seconds may be only extra
fade-in, fade-out.

"Frozen Faces"
UK and Japan: 4:22
Apparently identical.

"P-Machinery"
UK and Japan: 3:50
Apparently identical.

"Sorry for Laughing"
UK and Japan: 3:27
Apparently identical.

The next songs appear in different order on the two CDs. Japan is "Dr.
Mabuse," "The Chase," "Strength to Dream." UK is "The Chase," "Dr. Mabuse"
(which incorporates "Strength to Dream").

"The Chase"
UK: 4:04
Japan: 4:05
Apparently identical.

"Dr. Mabuse"
UK: 10:41
Japan: 5:03
Deletes drum break; no other obvious major changes.

"Strength to Dream"
UK: Appears within "Mabuse," and is not listed separately
Japan: 3:01
Beginning is mixed differently from version within "Mabuse."

...and four bonus tracks not on the UK CD appear on the Japan CD:
"Femme Fatale (The Woman With Orchid)" 3:20
"Das Testaments Des Mabuse" 6:32
"Duel (Bittersweet)" 7:37
"P-Machinery (Beta)" 10:49

All in all, an item that no ZTT fan should be without. Highly recommended.

- --James (Too Much Time on His Hands) Dawson
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Patrick Daly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (ztt) Re: More "Secret Wish" Details

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, James Dawson wrote:

> I've now done A/B comparisons between the Japanese "A Secret Wish" and my
> 1985 UK ZTT/Island CD (CID 126). First, answers to some questions:
>

Ok!  Thanks you for your detailed response.  Unfortunately, it seems
as though in order for me to get all the songs I want, I need to get both
the Japanese and original UK versions of the cd.  I know where to get the
Japanese (Comfort), but does anyone know where I can get a copy of CID
126--the original UK version?

Thanks!



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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:07:49 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) More "Secret Wish" Details

On Thu, Jul 09, 1998 at 10:10:57AM -0700, James Dawson wrote:

> "Jewel"
> UK: 6:22
> Japan: 3:10
> As mentioned, this is an edit that deletes the lyrics portion of the song.

The Japanese version of "Jewel" is not an edit, but the normal album version.
The version on the original UK CD was a slightly edited version of "Jewel (cut
rough)", the 12" version.

Again, full details on all these releases are in the discography.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:47:36 +0200
From: "Alberto" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: More "Secret Wish" Details

>
>Ok!  Thanks you for your detailed response.  Unfortunately, it seems
>as though in order for me to get all the songs I want, I need to get both
>the Japanese and original UK versions of the cd.  I know where to get the
>Japanese (Comfort), but does anyone know where I can get a copy of CID
>126--the original UK version?
>


Hi,
I believe exactly the same tracks (except for the four bonus tracks) are on
the German re-issue that came out a few years ago on ZTT / Warner. Catalogue
number is 4509-94749-2. You might still be able to get it (it's even sold at
a 'special price' which means it's a bit cheaper than usual).

Alberto





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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:16:28 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: More "Secret Wish" Details

On Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:47:36PM +0200, Alberto wrote:

>> I know where to get the Japanese (Comfort), but does anyone know where
>> I can get a copy of CID 126--the original UK version?
>
> I believe exactly the same tracks (except for the four bonus tracks) are
> on the German re-issue that came out a few years ago on ZTT / Warner.
> Catalogue number is 4509-94749-2.

The UK Year Ten reissue also replaces "Jewel" with the edited-intro version of
"Jewel (cut rough)".  Otherwise you're right, it's pretty much the same thing
as the Japanese issue but without the bonus tracks.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:27:16 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (ztt) Frankie Best of etc

Yes this is old but I had to comment about one of Dave's postings here...

Haven't I said that before (lost tapes)?  With all of the acetates that I have
heard of floating around the collector world and given the seemingly
unorganized business that is ZTT - it doesn't surprise that Trevor Horn
personally has no idea where half of the mix tapes are that he spent much of
the artist's money on!!  I would be the first to apologize if this is true,
but let's hope that someone at the little lable that could had the foresight
to archive everything that was ever mixed up at Sarm...

Be seeing you
John, Jr.


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