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zorn-list-digest Digest                Volume 96 : Issue 13

Today's Topics:
  Re: Knit Taping                       [ [e-mail] ]
  Zorn & Walter Hill                    [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Zorn & Walter Hill                [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  live taping                           [ Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]-c. ]
  parker                                [ plantarm <[e-mail]> ]
  zorn/judaism                          [ [e-mail] (jonathan kaye) ]
  Re: Zorn & Walter Hill                [ [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer) ]
  Re: Zorn on MTV                       [ Teemu <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: zorn/judaism                      [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  Re: Knit Taping                       [ [e-mail] (Sean Terwill ]
  Re: Zorn on MTV                       [ Matt Moffett <[e-mail]> ]
  Re: Zorn on MTV                       [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: zorn/judaism                      [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: zorn/judaism                      [ [e-mail] ]
  Locus Solus Japanese                  [ [e-mail] ]
  Unidentified subject!                 [ [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson) ]
  Unidentified subject!                 [ [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson) ]
  Re: Unidentified subject!             [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Locus Solus Japanese              [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  Colorado                              [ [e-mail] ]
  Last Exit                             [ [e-mail] ]
  Live at the Pecci Museum              [ Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]-c. ]
  New Tzadiks                           [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Last Exit                         [ "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichi ]
  Re: Live at the Pecci Museum          [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Last Exit                         [ Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail] ]
  Ooops!                                [ [e-mail] ]
  Re: Last Exit                         [ [e-mail] (John Shi ]

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:48:12 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Knit Taping
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

In a message dated 96-04-17 21:33:16 EDT, you write:

>ut really, you should only be taping Zorn
>> illegally if you've aquired every entry from PAtrice's complete discograph

Do you think someone could send me a copy of that complete discography?
thanks.

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:30:52 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Zorn & Walter Hill
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I've tried posting this twice over the past three weeks & it hasn't gone
through.  Maybe this time....

Zorn was thanked at the end of the credits for Trespass; does anybody know
why?
(I thought of this seeing the listing for a new Tzadik album of soundtracks
for an unnamed movie.)

Lang Thompson
http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:56:54 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn & Walter Hill
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:30:52 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I've tried posting this twice over the past three weeks & it hasn't gone
> through.  Maybe this time....
>
> Zorn was thanked at the end of the credits for Trespass; does anybody know
> why?

Zorn plays on it. Seems to me like a good reason to be thanked. Or are you
thinking about something else?

> (I thought of this seeing the listing for a new Tzadik album of soundtracks
> for an unnamed movie.)
>
> Lang Thompson
> http://members.aol.com/wlt4/index.htm
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 19:03:17 +0200 (METDST)
From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
To: zorn list <[e-mail]>
Subject: live taping
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I found this on rec.music.bluenote and thought some of you might be
interested:

James Forrest <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm looking for John Zorn's Masada's Daled (album #4).  Is there
>anyone out there willing to sell me the album, or make a copy (tape
>provided) for me?

    i, too, would do anything to get my hands on that albums !
on a related note, i saw Masada last weekend and someone was taping it.  i
asked if there was a way i could get a cpoy and the guy said it was for an
album to be released !!!!



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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:57:52 -0500 (EST)
From: plantarm <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: parker
Message-id: <[e-mail]>
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i have no desire whatsoever to discuss bootlegging as a general
practice.  in fact, i've already discussed it too much in the past.
but denman said that there were a lot of tapes of charlie parker
which we could do without, which is a hefty and unqualified statement.
parker is a figure unique in jazz: virtually every time he played,
he played something worth hearing.  even the lowest quality tapes
of parker are of historical significance to parker scholars because
he was such a rare musical talent.  the most colossal bootlegging
ever undertaken, and subsequently released for mass consumption, is
the dean benedetti series (available on Mosaic).  these are not
unvaluable in any way: they catch parker in the studio, at gigs,
and just playing for no reason, and they illuminate what his life
was really like, and how he played solo after solo with such high
invention.  i suspect that many bird disciples would be highly
dissatisfied with only the "official" master takes of his studio
tunes, plus a handful of club dates.... there was so much more to
him than that.

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:37:36 -0400
From: [e-mail] (jonathan kaye)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: zorn/judaism
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

has zorn ever spoken in public about what his feelings on judaism are? i
know he's the unofficial leader of the radical jewish culture scene, but,
for example, during the september '93 zorn month at the knitting factory i
believe he played on both of the high holy days. also, he seem to alway be
wearing tsetsin (sp?), the fringe orthodox jews wear around their waist,
but he doesn't wear a yarmulke, which is supposed to be worn with tsitsin.

i'm not trying to set him up or anything. as an atheist who was raised
jewish i certainly consider myself to belong to a jewish culture and don't
reject the religion, but was wondering if zorn has spoken on this topic.

jon

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:57:56 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Spirer)
To: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn & Walter Hill
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At 5:56 PM 4/19/96, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:

>Zorn plays on it. Seems to me like a good reason to be thanked. Or are you
>thinking about something else?

Where?  He isn't on the score or soundtrack CDs and I don't remember
hearing him on the movie, which I saw twice.


Jeff
[e-mail]
http://www.hyperreal.com/axiom/

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:20:52 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Teemu <[e-mail]>
To: zorn list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn on MTV
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:

> Did everybody know that MTV uses a Naked City tunes as a jingle?
>=20
> Jonas

I haven=ABt heard NC on MTV, but the channel 2 of Finnish National Radio=20
(called =ABRadiomafia=AB...) uses =ABBatman=AB as a theme for one program.=
=20
Can=ABt remember the name of the program, thought.

      from Teemu  ---->  [e-mail]
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 09:36:20 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] (jonathan kaye)
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn/judaism
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:37:36 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> has zorn ever spoken in public about what his feelings on judaism are? i
> know he's the unofficial leader of the radical jewish culture scene, but,
> for example, during the september '93 zorn month at the knitting factory i
> believe he played on both of the high holy days. also, he seem to alway be
> wearing tsetsin (sp?), the fringe orthodox jews wear around their waist,
> but he doesn't wear a yarmulke, which is supposed to be worn with tsitsin.
>
> i'm not trying to set him up or anything. as an atheist who was raised
> jewish i certainly consider myself to belong to a jewish culture and don't
> reject the religion, but was wondering if zorn has spoken on this topic.

I asked him the question last September (having followed Zorn for a while, it
was a surprise to discover his fairly late interest about the jewish culture).
"It started in 1990. Many of my friend musicians (Jewish) were coming back
from touring in Germany with sad stories about a regain of antisemistism.
At that time I (Zorn) realized that I was not a *white* person."

As you can see, it did not start with a mystical experience or a deep
curiosity about his roots, but more as a political/social reaction (which
seems more in line with Zorn's character). He was definitely talking about
the early '90s. I didn't ask him about his religious beliefs. Could what
started on the political/social level became more on the religious one?
I don't know.

    Patrice.

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:18:06 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Sean Terwilliger )
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Knit Taping
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

You wrote:
>
>> Why don't you buy some CD's instead?  You'll get better quality
audio and
>> you'll be supporting the artists instead of ripping them off.
>>
>    What if you have every Zorn Album AND CD but still need a fix
that
>can only be supplied by trading bootlegs ?? Is it still unethical ?
>
>
>
>Peace to all,
>GDCII
>
>
>

Sure. Zorn does not profit from this venture. He may not want you to
own this music. However, I understand the need and desire for these
shows. I'd love to have some Naked City live stuff, or Material live
from the Memory Serves era (hint hint).

So the answer (from me, at least) is: Yes it's unethical, but sometimes
ethics must be ignored!)

-Sean

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:11:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Moffett <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn on MTV
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> > Did everybody know that MTV uses a Naked City tunes as a jingle?
> >
> > Jonas
>
Jim Thirwell of the band Foetus does a lot of promo jingle stuff for Mtv,
or at least he used to.  He's a big fan of Zorn, so maybe it's his doing.

matt

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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 19:09:13 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn on MTV
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

> On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Torsten Nielsen wrote:
>
> > Did everybody know that MTV uses a Naked City tunes as a jingle?
> >
> > Jonas

Ironic, isn't it?  The guitar riff that they've used for years when you see
their logo is by the Butthole Surfers, a group that has probably never been
played on MTV.  Has Naked City ever appeared on MTV?

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:47:49 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn/judaism
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

For Zorn to wear tzit tzit, the garment with a strand of fringe at each of
its four corners, while not wearing a yarmulke, the small circular head
covering, actually makes perfect sense.  The act of wearing tzit tzit is an
actual commandment from G-d to the Jewish people, whereas wearing a yarmulke
has no basis in any divine commandments, and exists only as a man made
tradition carried through the generations.

Has anybody picked up the colored vinyl ep "Live at the Pecci Museum?"  I
could have the exact title mistaken, but it is something to that effect, and
it is a live recording from 1995, and is issued as a limited edition.  I'm
wondering if it is a recording of him performing solo, with a band (which
band?), or what not.  It is quite affordable ($9 or so), but I would like to
know what it contains before ordering one.

When is the new batch of Tzadik releases scheduled to arrive?  I am anxious
to hear the vocal trio with Tatsuya Yoshida, the solo voice recording by Mike
Patton, and whatever Zorn resissues are on the way.  Isn't there an Eyvind
Kang CD on the horizon as well?  I just heard his work on the new Bill
Frisell Quartet CD on Nonesuch, and enjoyed it immensely.  Kang played as
part of the Cobra performance that came through Chicago a couple of years
ago, and I have been waiting for some recordings of his work ever since.

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:27:39 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: zorn/judaism
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Egg1000 wrote:
>Has anybody picked up the colored vinyl ep "Live at the Pecci Museum?"  I
>could have the exact title mistaken, but it is something to that effect, and
>it is a live recording from 1995, and is issued as a limited edition.  I'm
>wondering if it is a recording of him performing solo, with a band (which
>band?), or what not.  It is quite affordable ($9 or so), but I would like to
>know what it contains before ordering one.

Where did you see this?  What label is it on?

>When is the new batch of Tzadik releases scheduled to arrive?
I've got Film Music 2 and Guide to Strategy on order from CDNow.  They said
they will be released on April 30th.

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:34:07 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Locus Solus Japanese
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I saw a listing for a Japanese release of Locus Solus.  Is this different
from Tzadik 7303?

Barry Gilbert

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:04:08 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

jim thirwell does mtv jingles?

do you, matt (who wrote about his jingle
making) or anybody else, know what he's
doing right now.

i know he released a cd called gash a
while ago but i haven't heard anything
since then.

thanks

--
Stefan Gustafsson

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:08:11 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Stefan Gustafsson)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

will an alternative to
mtv ever happen?

something not so tightly
connected to the music
industry.

or actually, i don't
really know. i'm just
assuming. how tightly
connected to the music
industry is mtv?

anybody have an idea???

zegge

--
Stefan Gustafsson

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:50:00 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Foetus is currently on tour supporting Ministry (headliner) and The Young
Gods

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:08:37 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Locus Solus Japanese
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 12:34:07 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I saw a listing for a Japanese release of Locus Solus.  Is this different
> from Tzadik 7303?

It is that same with the exception of the price.

    Patrice.

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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:36:54 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Colorado
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Anyone on this list live in Colorado?

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:41:33 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Last Exit
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I just picked up Last Exit "From The Board". Anybody have any info on this?
Its a 1995 release on Enemy. Some good stuff...The liner notes weren't
helpful.

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:53:55 +0200 (METDST)
From: Torsten Nielsen <[e-mail]>
To: zorn list <[e-mail]>
Subject: Live at the Pecci Museum
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

[e-mail] said something like:

> Has anybody picked up the colored vinyl ep "Live at the Pecci Museum?"  I
> could have the exact title mistaken, but it is something to that effect, and
> it is a live recording from 1995, and is issued as a limited edition.  I'm
> wondering if it is a recording of him performing solo, with a band (which
> band?), or what not.  It is quite affordable ($9 or so), but I would like to
> know what it contains before ordering one.

I guess you're thinking about this one: (Anybody knows where I can buy it?)

******************************************************************************
                    DAVE DOUGLAS/JOHN ZORN/YAMATSUKA EYE

LINE-UP:  DAVE DOUGLAS--Trumpet; JOHN ZORN--Alto sax; YAMATSUKA EYE **-Vocals

_Live at Pecci Museum (Italy), March 7, 1995_ (No label name--DAN 1--7") 1996

Four untitled tracks.

In print.  Pressed on opaque orange vinyl.  Bootleg, most likely.
*****************************************************************************

Jonas

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 09:09:00 PDT
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: New Tzadiks
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

The newest batch of Tzadiks will be in stores tomorrow.
                                              ^^^^^^^^
These are:
1. Zorn: Classic Guide to Strategy (excellent)
2. Zorn: Filmworks II (ditto)
3. Elliott Sharp: Xenocodex (noisy!)
4. Eyvind Kang: 7 NADEs (absolutely AMAZING)
5. Li Chin Sung: Past (also noisy, need more time to
    evaluate)
6. Wadada Leo Smith: Tao-Nija (beautiful, chamber music)
7. Zubi Zuva: Jehovah (haven't heard)
8. Mike Patton: Adult Themes for Voice (haven't heard)

Filmworks II, curiously enough, says "Released by
Special Permission from MCA."  Could this have been
meant for Trespass originally?  Patrice?  You mention
that Zorn played on the (quite excellent) Trespass
soundtrack, yet I only remember Ry Cooder, Mark
Isham and Jim Keltner (making some very atypical
improv racket that The Wire even likened to AMM!).

Likely for July release:
TZ 7307 The Parachute Years (3 CDs)

Finally, I'm a newcomer to the list, so forgive me if
this one's already been played out:  I heard a rumor
last year about a 100(!) CD set by Zorn and Eye, to
be issued to Sound Factory.  The discs were to be
packaged on a spool, the way they come from the factory,
and were to be anywhere from a few seconds to 70 minutes
in duration.  Sold by pre-payment only, the story
went.  Anyone know anything about this?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:14:54 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Last Exit
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

    Hi,

On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:41:33 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> I just picked up Last Exit "From The Board". Anybody have any info on this?
> Its a 1995 release on Enemy. Some good stuff...The liner notes weren't
> helpful.

Could you send me the detailed description of this record?

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:05:28 -0400
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Live at the Pecci Museum
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

That would seem to be the one... the lineup sounds amazing.  I've seen it
listed twice in the Relapse mailorder catalogue (which happens to be quite
dependable).  Every so often, a truly incredible recording will show up in
their listings (which generally focus on death metal and extreme hard core),
such as the solo CD by Tatsuya Yoshida that I picked up from them a while ago
called "Bass, Drums, Guitar, Voice," a CD which I have yet to see offered
anywhere else.  Check them out...

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:26:34 -0700
From: Sean Terwilliger <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Last Exit
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>
> On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:41:33 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > I just picked up Last Exit "From The Board". Anybody have any info on this?
> > Its a 1995 release on Enemy. Some good stuff...The liner notes weren't
> > helpful.
>
> Could you send me the detailed description of this record?
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Patrice.

Funny, I was going to respond to the first post with some guesses but
figured "Patrice will do it!"

My understanding of this disc id that it's a compilation of various LE
live stuff. Thats all I know.

-Sean

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 14:23:23 PDT
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Ooops!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

One mistake in my earlier posting:

All the new Tzadiks are in stores tomorrow EXCEPT
Filmworks 2.  The release date for that is May 7,
due to delays at the factory.

Sorry to get your hopes up prematurely.  I suck.

Steve

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 21:42:18 +0000
From: [e-mail] (John Shiurba)
To: Patrice.L.Roussel/[e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Last Exit
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

patrice:

>On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 06:41:33 -0400  [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> I just picked up Last Exit "From The Board". Anybody have any info =
on this?
>> Its a 1995 release on Enemy. Some good stuff...The liner notes =
weren't
>> helpful.

>Could you send me the detailed description of this record?

i don't have this one, but i remember noting that it was the same =
material as "cassette recordings 87" also released on enemy.


shiurba

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